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NY Times Review of PS3

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the not-so-much-with-the-liking dept.

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An anonymous reader noted that the NY Times has done a fairly negative review of the PS3. It would seem that there have been a fair number of these; it's pretty evident at this point that Sony's launch of the PS3 was not exactly well planned out; issues are still rolling in but the real test will be how it does over the holidays and into the next year.

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Just a souped up PS2 (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914860)

I managed to play the PS3 in a few stores yesterday. Despite all the hype, the expense, and the motion sensing controller, it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2. The games I played didn't really feel different than the last-gen stuff, and the motion controller was used more as a gimmick (e.g. NBA Live '07) rather than an integral part of the experience. (Though in its defense, Sony kind of screwed their partners by introducing it so late.)

Basically, if all you want is a PS2 with HDTV graphics and sound, you'll love the PS3. (Assuming you get past the sticker shock.) If you were truly hoping for a new and unique experience, you may have your hopes set a bit too high.

Hopefully, the situation will change as Sony and their partners have more time to work with the hardware, but they're currently lagging out of the gate.

Re:Just a souped up PS2 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915074)

Dude, give it up. We've all watched you troll PS3 stories for months now. No one gives a fuck about your amateurish attempts to hide your PS3 slams in a just a random guy trying to his 'honest' opinion wrapper.

Perhaps you'll be ignored. Perhaps you'll manage to rack up some mod points from some rabid Sony haters. Either way you're just a waste of a few hundreds of characters of bandwidth.

Re:Just a souped up PS2 (1, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915178)

it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2

Isn't that what the next generation of anything is? If it's something different then it's something different.

Some new things are more than souped-up old things (4, Insightful)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915310)

it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2
Isn't that what the next generation of anything is?

Not really. Usually, you do get something more than just "more of the same." Looking at the console history, you got things like 3D graphics (SNES -> PS1), analog sticks (PS1 -> N64), the ability to watch movies (Dreamcast -> PS2) or a real online service (PS2 -> Xbox). Sure, the PS3 brings Blu-Ray, but that's just a better DVD. What else does it have? Most things are faster.

Compare this to the Wii, which brings a really cool new controller. That's not souped up, that's new.

Re:Some new things are more than souped-up old thi (1)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916622)

Or, uh, "souped up" things like NES>SNES, and N64>GameCube, and PS1>PS2. Oh, and Master System>Genesis. Oh and Xbox>Xbox 360.

The biggest change for most systems was 2d>3d, and the change in controllers to accomodate that. Otherwise, New is relatively rare -- which is why stuff like the Wii makes pretty big news.

Re:Some new things are more than souped-up old thi (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916916)

You have to remember that the gaming market has grown, providing more revenues for the console manufacturers. Fans have a right to expect innovation.

And you leave out a few things.
1) NES - SNES: Shoulder buttons, top loading cartridge, double the graphics
2) N64 - Gamecube: Internalized rumble feature, the c-stick, improved shoulder "triggers", and (finally) a digital format
3) Master System - Genesis: Not much change aside from the C button, and the Sega-CD peripheral.. then again, thats why Sega doesn't make consoles anymore..

Re:Just a souped up PS2 (1, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915570)

Isn't that what the next generation of anything is? If it's something different then it's something different.

I can't really say that's true. Going from the first-gen (2600, Intellivision) to the Super Systems (Colecovision, 5200) felt very different. Going from the Super Systems to the NES and Master System felt like a major overhaul in console gaming. Then going to the Genesis/SNES felt like a tremendous leap in the complexity and detail of games. Going to the N64/Playstation was an entirely new experience in 3D.

It was only this last generation of the PS2/XBox/Gamecube (sorry Dreamcast, we knew you well) that felt like just a graphical upgrade. Which wasn't all that bad for the last generation, as the first 3D generation was kind of weak with what the hardware was capable of. (Though honestly, the Gamecube could have been so much more.) I personally skipped owning any of the current gen consoles as nothing really appealed to me enough to make a purchase. Still, my relatives had a PS2 and they enjoyed it.

But with all the hype surrounding this generation, all the competitors are promising us the moon and more. Especially Sony, who has been telling people to get another job [joystiq.com] so they can afford the PS3. Just what exactly is so great about the PS3 that we should all go work our tails off to get it? With that kind of hubris, I was at least expecting a unique experience, even if the console doesn't appeal directly to me. (And I'm boycotting Sony anyway.) Finding that Sony's next-gen offering costs three times as much for nothing more than the same experience, but prettier, does little to improve my opinion of Sony.

That being said, some people will like the PS3. For some of them, a PS2 with HD is exactly what they're hoping for. For them, the PS3 will be a great system. (Especially since they have deep enough pockets to invest in HD in the first place.) But IMHO, the mass appeal of the PS2 is missing. Unless the price of HD equipment (of which the PS3 is an example of) comes back out of the stratosphere, the average joe is not going to see much value in the PS3. Certainly not the value that the PS2 provided.

Re:Just a souped up PS2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916994)

Basically, if all you want is a PS2 with HDTV graphics and sound, you'll love the PS3.
 
Considering that my eyesite isn't so hot and generally blurry after a day of work in front of the monitor (I can't always even read the digital cable listings without my glasses on and don't like wearing them all day), my hearing comes and goes due to punk rock concerts of my youth (J-church caused me two straight days of high pitch whining), if I put a sticker on my ps2 that says ps3, I pretty much save the rest of the money that would go to a PS3, but still get the same benefits I would have had. my new motto to the next generation has become "i can degrade faster than you can upgrade"

The full text (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16914880)

Video Games A Weekend Full of Quality Time With PlayStation 3 By SETH SCHIESEL Howard Stringer, you have a problem. Your company's new video game system just isn't that great. Ever since Mr. Stringer took the helm last year at Sony, the struggling if still formidable electronics giant, the world has been hearing about how the coming PlayStation 3 would save the company, or at least revitalize it. Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360, Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun. Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise. Measured in megaflops, gigabytes and other technical benchmarks, the PlayStation 3 is certainly the world's most powerful game console. It falls far short, however, of providing the world's most engaging overall entertainment experience. There is a big difference, and Sony seems to have confused one for the other. The PS3, which was introduced in North America on Friday with a hefty 467 ($599) price tag for the top version, certainly delivers gorgeous graphics. But they are not discernibly prettier than the Xbox 360's. More important, the whole PlayStation 3 system is surprisingly clunky to use and simply does not provide many basic functions that users have come to expect, especially online. I have spent more than 30 hours using the PlayStation 3 over the last week or so and may have played more different games on the system -- 13 -- than probably anyone outside of Sony itself. Sony did not activate the PS3's online service until just before the Friday debut. Over the weekend a clear sense of disappointment with the PlayStation 3 emerged from many gamers. "What's weird is that the PS3 was originally supposed to come out in the spring, and here it came out in the fall, and it still doesn't feel finished," Christopher Grant, managing editor of Joystiq, one of the world's biggest video-game blogs, said on the telephone Saturday night. "It's really not the all-star showing they should have had at launch. Sony is playing catch-up in a lot of ways now, not just in terms of sales but in terms of the basic functionality and usability of the system." Sadly for Sony, the best way to explain how the PlayStation 3 falls short is to explain how different it is to use than its main competition, Xbox 360. When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: "Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, 'This can't be this easy.' " I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television. Keep in mind that one of Sony's main selling points has been that the PS3 plays Blu-Ray high-definition movie discs. But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set. Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the "wireless" controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend's house, you'll have to plug back in again. The 360's wireless controllers are always just that, wireless. If there is one thing one would expect Sony to get perfect, though, it would be music. Wrong. Sure, you can plug in your digital music player and the PS3 will play the tunes. But as soon as you go into a game, the music stops. By contrast, one of the things I've always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn't seem too complicated, but the PS3 can't do it. In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. In the PS3's online store (which feels like a slow Web page) you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you'll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can't download in the background while you go do something that's more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically. The PS3's whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing. There are some high points. The multi-player battles in Resistance: Fall of Man are excellent. The arcade-style action in the downloadable Blast Factor is suitably frantic. But the list of the PS3's disappointments remains, from its undersupported voice chat to its maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. (In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard.) Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can't make someone smile. And so it is a bit of a shock to realize that on the video game front Microsoft and Sony are moving in exactly the opposite directions one might expect given their roots. Microsoft, the prototypical PC company, has made the Xbox 360 into a powerful but intuitive, welcoming, people-friendly system. Sony's PlayStation 3, on the other hand, often feels like a brawny but somewhat recalcitrant specialized computer. (Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3's deficiencies.) The thing is, if people want to use a computer, they'll use a computer. Through the decades of the Walkman and the Trinitron television, Sony was renowned as the global master of easy-to-use, seamlessly powerful consumer electronics. But recently Sony seems to have lost its way, first in digital music players, in which it ceded the ergonomic high ground to Apple's iPod, and now in home-game consoles. For now Sony's technologists seem to have won out over the people who study fun. As a practical matter, given the limited quantities Sony has been able to manufacture, the PlayStation 3 will surely remain sold out throughout the holiday season. If you can't find one, don't fret. Sony still has a lot of work to do. As Mr. Grant of Joystiq put it: "Maybe in six months it'll be finished. Maybe by next fall I'll be able to do all the cool stuff. I'm still kind of waiting."

Wii! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16914890)

You know, there was another console launched this weekend.

It's even selling out, in spite of its very healthy retail supply (10x the number of units as PS3).

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/11/20/tech -wii.html [www.cbc.ca]
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7278/52/ [itwire.com.au]

Isn't Slashdot going to mention it?

Re:Wii! (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915004)

My thoughts exactly. The only reason I could think of that it hasn't been mentioned is because all the Slashdot editors are busy playing with their Wiis...

Re:Wii! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915050)

They're also using Nintendo's new gaming system.

Re:Wii! (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915024)

Honestly, I expect there will be a story on the Wii today when a decent story (with more information than every gamer already has) comes up. Every gamer already knows that the Wii launced on Sunday, sold out on pre-orders and people who were outside the store when it opened, had far more units than the PS3, and that most people were buying it to play games on it.

What most people want to know is how many systems were actually sold, when there will be another shipment and when I can get some nunchucks for my wiimotes ...

I admit now that Wiimote and nunchuck seperate was dumb ... I need nunchucks ... will kill for some nunchucks ...

Re:Wii! (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915244)

* Having them physically separate wasn't dumb. It's actually kind of nice... it automatically means the controller works for left-handed people just as well as right-handed people, and it lets you sit in a variety of comfortable positions (not restricted to having your two hands right next to each other). Selling them separately may or may not have been a bad idea, I don't know.

Re:Wii! (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915278)

I meant to say selling them seperate ... sometimes I type faster than I think ...

Re:Wii! (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916278)

Selling them separately may or may not have been a bad idea, I don't know.

I'd say it was a good idea.

First, not all games require the nunchuck, right? If you have a 4 player game that doesn't require it, you can buy a couple of controllers without it and save some money. If you later find a 4 player game that requires it, you can buy a couple more then.

Second, with the main controller being exposed to so much movement, there might be issues with how well the cord attaching the nunchuck holds out. They might tend to develop shorts in the wiring (especially for people who play with overagressive movements...sometimes even aggressive enough to break the safety strap AND the TV screen [somethingawful.com] ). If that happens, it sure would be nice to just buy another $20 nunchuck rather that a $60 controller set.

Re:Wii! (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915274)

What most people want to know is... when I can get some nunchucks for my wiimotes ... I admit now that Wiimote and nunchuck seperate was dumb ... I need nunchucks ... will kill for some nunchucks ...

Amen brother! Amen! Games REQUIRE the nunchuck and Wii-mote combination... however, it appears that there was not an equal supply of 'chucks vs 'motes. I now have 2 'motes without attachments... and I'm hoping (desperately looking for) a store with 'chucks, so I can play some 4-player action over Turkey day (Thanksgiving here in the states) with the family. Sadly... not all games (yet) offer the choice of the 'chuck or classical controller setup.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Wii! (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915516)

I'm actually quite curious as to who was responsible for this ... whether Nintendo didn't have enough created or whether stores saw this "Optional" add on and simple didn't think that many people would want one.

What I found a little odd (in my Nunchuck hunt yesterday) was how empty the Wii sections were; there were usually 1 or 2 copies of Zelda (which I heard shiped 1 for every system, which means that some of the "Moms" who bought the system didn't buy a game) and nothing else. In contrast, last year when I checked out the XBox 360 sections (and the PS3 sections this weekend) there was (at least) one of every item/game on the shelf.

Re:Wii! (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915962)

there were usually 1 or 2 copies of Zelda (which I heard shiped 1 for every system, which means that some of the "Moms" who bought the system didn't buy a game) and nothing else. In contrast, last year when I checked out the XBox 360 sections (and the PS3 sections this weekend) there was (at least) one of every item/game on the shelf.

It's kind of weird, because I'm seeing the exact opposite in the stores around me. All the stores have mild stocks of various Wii games and accessories, while practically no one carries the PS3 games. I keep trying to figure out why that is, but I'm wondering if the retailers don't want to commit shelf space to the PS3 until it's more readily available.

Re:Wii! (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915334)

I normally read Slashdot a couple times a day, but I spent the entire day yesterday playing Twilight Princess, until it was time for bed, without even turning on my computer. Maybe everyone that would either write or read such an article was too busy actually playing with the system. ;) I only had to "camp" for an hour and a half at Toys 'R Us yesterday morning to get one (though I almost didn't, I got the next to the last one). Amusingly enough, the other campers didn't look anything like the typical (PS3) camping crowd...there were moms with kids. The guy in front of me was an older white-haired guy with his grandson.

Re:Wii! (5, Funny)

Monkeys!!! (831558) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915032)

Slashdot is mentioning it.

Every second comment, no matter what the fucking article, is about the Wii.

"After we have dimmed the sun to set back global warming, we can play Mario on our Wii!"

Saying that, I've got a Wii on pre-order :)

Re:Wii! (1)

megavlad (864517) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915192)

I don't own a Wii, or a PS3, although I would like to get them both. My guess it, though, that the outcome of this battle will play out like it did with the PSP and the DS: at the beggining there was much hype about the PSP(in fact, it is a strong console), but then people realize that it isn't just about hype and power, but about fun games. Little by little people started dumping the PSP and now the DS is supreme.

I think people will realize that the PS3 is just like the PS2, except with better graphics. Hell, Sony hasn't even bothered to change the controller since the first playstation. However, whats really ironic is that the Wii is just an updated Game Cube, but is different enough in the right places to make people remember that games are about fun.

vl@d $:

Re:Wii! (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915340)

Exactly! I've been checking /. frequently for an article, to compare my own feelings for the new system with others who were lucky enough to get one. Everyone was screaming "Wii Wii Wii" in all of the PS3 articles, so I thought there would be some. However, it just seems like the editors love to hate Sony, so they post all the PS3 articles.

So, does anyone else have a Wii? I saw numerous people who said they were going to buy one... how do you like it?

Re:Wii! (1)

Crasty (1019258) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915536)

I love mine. Golf is the best on Wii sports, and Zelda is fun and interesting. You can tell the graphics aren't on par with 360, but it really doesn't matter. The controller usage is amazing. Even little stuff that I didn't care about like the Mii channel kept me busy for an hour or so creating characters. My 4 yr. old loved that we made a "little him" and that he could play all the sports games using the "him" we created. I've collected games for 20 years, and this system is exactly what gaming needed. It's different, and it's fun.

Re:Wii! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16917158)

I couldn't stand the wait, so I froze myself in a mountain pass - unfortuantely my dickweed friend forgot until this morning, when all the Wii's are already sold out!

Re:Wii! (1)

Smitty825 (114634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916524)

It's even selling out, in spite of its very healthy retail supply (10x the number of units as PS3)

I'm curious where you are getting the 10x number. Sony promised 400,000 units for the North American Launch. However, many people believe that Sony only shipped about half that number (say 200k).

Now, Nintendo has promised to ship 4 million Wiis World Wide by the end of the year (with the most going to North America). If they shipped 10x the number of PS3s, then Nintendo would have had to have shipped 2 million already to North America! The numbers just don't seem right...

(I'm saying that as a person who was unsuccessful in finding a Wii on Sunday)

My Experience (4, Interesting)

DarkNemesis618 (908703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914898)

While I realize my experience may differ, my experience was pretty good. I waited at Best Buy and eventually got a 60GB PS3. The line was orderly, civil, and generally not bad. The people there were pretty cool with things, they knew who the people were in line and where they were. There was a list with numbers, as well as roll call every 1-2 hours so people could walk around without fear of losing their spot in line. There weren't any attempts by anyone to jump the line, though there were people who drove up offering money for spots. It was actually a pretty cool system we had set up. I don't know so much as to whether its not so much the launch being the problem versus maybe more the people in lines being the problem. You could have the best planned launch possible but if people in line cause problems, then there's still problems. Could Sony have done things better? Probably. But as I said, I think it's more the people. You get a bunch of assholes, there's going to be problems regardless.

Re:My Experience (1)

DarkNemesis618 (908703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915036)

Oops, this was meant at the end of my last comment: And in my opinion, the system is great. Graphics are amazing, even on a non-HDTV. The system setup was relatively easy, and PS3-Online is damned good if you ask me. I'm very happy with the system. My only complaint isn't even a complaint really, PS3's text input is like texting on a phone (ABC all on one button, DEF...) I kinda wish they had the keyboard-like interface. Other than that, I'm quite happy with my system

Features (4, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914910)

In SOny's defense (and you have no idea how much that hurts to say) some of the xbox 360 features they discuss were added after the initial release, so Sony could do the same. The background downloading was adde after and the music you were listening would stop playing when a game was started (but could be started again) was fixed very recently.

Re:Features (1)

Lostconfused (1019042) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915044)

I agree with your point here. Some of his complaints were pointless, or just idiotic. "maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard." I don't see how you can blame anyone else other then yourself for trying to chat with without a keyboard. Although some of his points are valid, downloads should be in the background, voice chat should work consistently and a central friend list is needed. But honestly what is it, 3 days after launch? I would like people to wait half a year to a year before passing certain judgment, i mean xbox 360 just got its first real big hit this month "Gears of war". Hey who knows, maybe we will all just get a Wii instead and say good bye to MS and Sony, only time will tell.

Re:Features (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915214)

I'll be getting a Wii as soon as I can find one, and already own a 360. I was thinking the Wii was a great deal, but a friend last week I managed to talk out of getting a PS3 (an old-school Sony faboy) said he's actually getting a 360. MS had a deal on the 360 with 4 games that worked out to less than the Wii with 2 games ... I was quite surpised. It's actually a closer battle on price than most people think (they were good games too, Gears of War, GRAW, Ridge Racer, and live arcade, I believe).

I'm still getting a Wii though ... it just looks fun, and my GF has expressed intest in playing it as well.

Re:Features (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915406)

I don't see how you can blame anyone else other then yourself for trying to chat with without a keyboard.

In my opinion, text-entry via joypads can be done right, and it can be done wrong. The cell-like system of the PSP is definitely wrong and maddening.

You should have to plug a keyboard into a gaming console. Make a usable on-screen keyboard. It's possible.

Re:Features (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917122)

I don't quite agree we should "give it some time". Some of the functionality that the reporter was complaining about - like the centralized friends list, and the ability to play your own music in games, are things that even the original XBox was able to do from day one.

Furthermore, the in-game music thing sounds like a bug to me - Sony promised this would be something you'd be able to do. Of course, Sony promised lots of things about the PS3, and so far doesn't have the best of records in terms of delivering.

Maybe Sony will get its act together and make the PS3 into something approaching the beast we were all urged to save our lunch money to purchase. For right now, however, the PS3 offers too many deal-breakers, be it the lack of games, the inability to upscale 720p to 1080i, or any number of other issues. Of course, in the meantime, the 360 is going to continue on its way. The longer Sony dwaddles, the harder it is going to be for them to catch up, much less surpass, Microsoft.

Re:Features (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915226)

Yes 360 had these same issues. BUT 360 wasn't competing with any next gen systems.

Ps3 comes out and has the same issues has a machine launched a year ago. Why didn't sony learn from this? You want me to spend $200 extra dollars to deal with issues that your competitor no longer has...and MAYBE you will fix them in the future.

Not a good sign.

Re:Features (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917270)

Which "same issues" are we referring to?

Sure, the 360 had problems of its own. Early units tend to over heat, and I seem to recall that content downloads weren't originally in the background until Microsoft changed this with a software update.

And sure, both consoles had(have) some of the same early problems - lack of available inventory, and some game releases were delayed, for instance.

But the PS3 seems to have launched with some rather embearassing omissions:

The PS3 comes with no HD cable. The 360 Premium has always come with a HD cable.

The PS3 launched with only a few exclusive titles, and the non-exclusive titles that came out don't look any better on the PS3. In fact, some claim they're worse due to framerate issues.

The PS3's online service is a mess. Granted, Sony didn't have the benefit of building upon an established system, which is what Microsoft had for the Xbox and later the 360. But still, the hype and promises from Sony certainly don't match the delivered experience. After all, it's not like Sony hadn't ever HEARD of Live! before. They've had a long time to get their service ready to go - and then they even had a ~6 month extension! After all that the only thing they seem to have really worked on is the marketplace...where you'll be able to pay Sony $1 to download game demos and other preview material.

Gamer ADD (0, Offtopic)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914920)

PS-what? Wii is what's for Christmas. I think the marketin---Ooo! Shiny! Also... Sony BAD!

Disapointment (4, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914950)

If you want to see someone disapointed give them exactly twice as much stuff for exactly twice the price ... If you want to see someone excited give them exactly half as much stuff for half the price ... I'm not sure if it is human nature, but most people think in the "Super Size It" mentality in which you pay a small ammount more (10%) for a dramatic improvement.

What this means for the Playstation is that they needed to deliver a dramatic improvement over the XBox 360 for the $100/$200 extra cost up front in order to meet people's expectations. I haven't used the PS3 yet so I don't know whether they did, but I suspect that anywhere they're lacking will be a Huge issue to many people and where they're equal to or better than the XBox 360 will be seen as a Small benefit.

For 600 Dollars (0, Redundant)

NosTROLLdamus (979044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914958)

it better blow me.

Just Give It A Fucking Rest (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16914960)

Enough.

Just fucking stop.

The PS3 FUD has driven away the majority of people who use to read Slashdot for general gaming news. Gaming stories now usually have tiny numbers of comments consisting mostly of the rabid Zonk followers who feel he is very 'fair and balanced'.

The anti-Sony and PS3 crap that has littered Slashdot over the past year and a half has done absolutely nothing to change anyones mind. PS3s have sold out the first 400k and people are ready to pounce on the 600k that are coming into the US by air over the next few weeks leading up to Christmas.

Thousands and thousands of people are already playing the PS3's first killer app - Resistance in (free)40 player online matches. And playing the Motorstorm demo for what will be the second PS3 AAA title in a month or two. The techs are turning Linux on PS3 into the ultimate home media machine.

And Slashdot is still trolling the Net looking for someone 'saying something bad about teh PS3' articles.

Just give it a fucking rest.

Re:Just Give It A Fucking Rest (2, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915092)

If you dislike the stories, why don't you find a several positive stories from major news sites and submit them ... I'm certain that if you had 4 or 5 major news sites that were very positive about the PS3 it would get posted. The fact is there is a lot to criticize Sony about how they have handled the PS3 so far, and there isn't that much to congratulate them on. It doesn't mean the PS3 sucks, but if someone doesn't point out the flaws with the system Sony can't fix them.

Re:Just Give It A Fucking Rest (1)

blighter (577804) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915212)

I really love you anonymous sony astroturfer! Your copied, boilerplate rants that are so divorced from any semblance of reality are the high point of any video game article! And they appear in every video game article...

I know that you're being paid (or at least I hope you're being paid and aren't actually as stupid as you appear from your inane, fantasy-laden rantings!), but really, a review in the New York Times is hardly "trolling the net" for anything bad to say about the PS3.

It's the f-ing NEW YORK TIMES! It's not some random blog; it's not even some anonymous slashdot poster who either idiotically believes that Sony is busy packing PS3s on airplanes or else believes that we're stupid enough to believe it if he says it.

Maybe you should start saying that Sony is actually shipping each new PS3 to the stores on a first-class ticket on a major carrier held by a geisha girl who will personally deliver them! That's no less believable and at least involves geisha girls! Everybody loves geisha girls!

Re:Just Give It A Fucking Rest (3, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916152)

"The anti-Sony and PS3 crap that has littered Slashdot over the past year and a half has done absolutely nothing to change anyones mind."

The anti-Sony crap wasn't something Slashdot created. It was born from Sony's missteps over the last year.

"And Slashdot is still trolling the Net looking for someone 'saying something bad about teh PS3' articles."

Haven't you noticed that Slashdot doesn't have to travel very far to find these stories? Face it: It's a bad year to be a Sony fanboy. That's not Slashdot's fault. Zonk didn't price it at $599. Zonk didn't tell everybody they could go get a second job if they didn't like the price of the machine. Zonk didn't cut their production ridiculously low. Zonk didn't toss rumble functionality in favor of a ripped-off/band-aided motion sensor. Zonk didn't even make mediochre launch games for the system. You cannot blame Slashdot for Sony's lousy PR this year.

Sony tripped over their own feet. They set the tone for how the PS3 would be recieved and the media has responded. Just give it a fucking rest.

Re:Just Give It A Fucking Rest (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916554)

The anti-Sony and PS3 crap that has littered Slashdot over the past year and a half has done absolutely nothing to change anyones mind.

No, probably not. After all there is an almost unlimited supply of corporate obsessed freaks who's happiness depends on the success/failure or a particular product.

But I'll tell you what has changed my mind. Yes, Mr Anonymous Sony Fanboy Troll - it's you! Previously I couldn't give a fuck which games system sold the most units any more than I cared which Barbie doll sold the best. But your well reasoned contributions have convinced me that every one who works for, or is in any way associated with, Sony must die a slow lingering death.

Do you get a bonus for that?

Mixed Review (4, Interesting)

bateleur (814657) | more than 7 years ago | (#16914990)

That wasn't half as negative as it might've been. He complains about a bunch of missing features, but then says he likes the games. No XBox 360 titles receive a favourable comparison.

If that was the only review I'd read I'd still be quite tempted to buy one, since I preferred the PS2 to the XBox for the games.

Re:Mixed Review (1)

Frostclaw (1006995) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916724)

I agree with you on the games part! It's the reason I'll eventually pick up a PS3. I enjoy the Final Fantasy series, so once XIII hits, I'll be taking the PS3 plunge. At that point, the price may have dropped a fair bit too.

The 360 does me for everything else.

Power will not a system make (1, Funny)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915046)

Measured in megaflops, gigabytes and other technical benchmarks, the PlayStation 3 is certainly the world's most powerful game console. It falls far short, however, of providing the world's most engaging overall entertainment experience.

yes, and here I was this weekend, playing The Legend of Zelda on my Wii after downloading it for $5 (which I do find expensive, but worth while for this title). Heck, the Zelda game even emulated the frame rate drop when too many orcs are on screen and shooting there bows! Classic! hehe.

I was even more pleasantly surprised when I found my fiancee (who does not like to game) actually use to LOVE Zelda.. and played it for several hours straight... make me a little jealous. hehe

With that said... PS3 is going to have a hard time getting steam. It will probably go the way of the GameCube. A "good" system with a lack of support by 3rd parties. That's not to say the Wii doesn't have it's 'ugly' side too, but from what I've seen from 24 hours of gaming on this thing, it's going to have some outstanding games. Dragon Ball Z is just 10x more fun with the new controller setup! (and this is the next repetitive title in a long franchise, yet it feels fresh!)

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Power will not a system make (2)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915144)

Oh, I need to point out one more thing about the Wii that would make me buy 10 more before buying a PS3... A POWER ON/OFF BUTTON that's on the bloody controller! GENIUS I TELL YOU! Seriously, how long have consoles been out before someone said... hey, lets let the gamers turn their system on and off with their wireless controller aka the Wii-Mote, like a remote control does for the TV!

Sure, maybe I'm lazy, but hey, when I realize I can just sit down, grab the Wii-mote off my end-table push the power button and start gaming (as long as the game I want to play is still in the machine or if I want to game on Virtual console). Seriously, not having to get on my knees or open an entertainment system swinging glass door or whatever, to push the power button is just delicious icing on this cake. Then I smack my head and think..."why wasn't this done sooner?"

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Power will not a system make (2, Funny)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915316)

You realize that the power button was the only form of exercise most gamers were getting, especially now with the ability to download games. This button alone will now add 10% on the average weight of all Americans.

Re:Power will not a system make (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915392)

[..] Then I smack my head and think..."why wasn't this done sooner?"

Well.. It _has_ been done sooner, the Xbox 360 has had this function for a full year now.

I get your point though, it's total crap having to get up just to turn on or off a console. It's still a problem though when the machine crashes, but I take what I can get.

Re:Power will not a system make (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915496)

Well.. It _has_ been done sooner, the Xbox 360 has had this function for a full year now.

Cool. I humbly admit I haven't played the 360 outside of BestBuy's Call of Duty 2 setup, a year ago.

Re:Power will not a system make (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916134)

Incidentally, the slim PS2 can be turned on/off from the DVD remote.

Re:Power will not a system make (2, Funny)

Jeff85 (710722) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916534)

I for one, am not looking forward to the ability to turn off the console by the controller. I can already imagine sore losers turning off the system right when you're about to beat them in some head-to-head game or just hitting it by accident. And don't bring that "The button is in a place where you can't press it by accident." People claim to push the start button "by accident" all the time when you're trying to do something timed (like say, perform a super strike in Mario Strikers which has those golf-like meters you have to align in the right spot, which is also similar to how most free throws / football field goals are performed in sports games).

Now I'll admit I've never seen the power button mechanism on the wii-motes, and I have no clue where it's located and how it works. But if it's there, I hope they at least made it so that you have to hold it down for like 4 seconds before it turns the Wii off.

A review review: this review sucks (1, Flamebait)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915090)

This review is just a horrible piece of journalism. It reads like it was written 2 weeks ago.

His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times, which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

The only thing he says about the games is that Resistence: FoM is fun and Blast Factor is "frantic".

There's a lot of "I like the Xbox360 better" in this review. Ok, great. Good luck with that. But this is supposed to be a PS3 review, not a console buying guide that compares the different features. Buy a 360 if you want one. I hear they're great. But "the PS3 is not an XBOX360" is not a valid criticism.

There are some things the reviewer found annoying. These are valid points. But it's the first weekend of the PS3. Did everything go perfectly on the first weekend for the XBOX360? Does everything ever go perfectly? This part of the review was not balanced, but it was useful and therefore adequate.

There's a paragraph about televisions and walkmans. Does that tell you if the PS3 is fun?

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is an extremely useful review and 1 is a completely false misleading and poorly written bird-cage liner, I'd give this review a 3.5. That's pretty good for the NY Times.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915236)

His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times, which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

I think the point was how odd of a statement Sony is making with the PS3 ...

"HDTV is the way of the future! there is not point in sticking with your crappy SDTV! We are so much better than the XBox 360 because we have HD-Movies out of the box and can produce better HD graphics. Included in the box is one SD cable!"

I understand why it was done (that 1/6 homes have a HDTV which could require component, DVI or HDMI input whereas every TV supports RCA input) but it seems like an odd statement.

There's a lot of "I like the Xbox360 better" in this review. Ok, great. Good luck with that. But this is supposed to be a PS3 review, not a console buying guide that compares the different features. Buy a 360 if you want one. I hear they're great. But "the PS3 is not an XBOX360" is not a valid criticism

Outside of serious artistic analysis you always will see a bit of this, with "hardware" if they can compare products they will; most Zune reviews will comment on how it stacks to the iPod, most car reviews will compare it to other cars in its class, and every electronic gadget will be compared to similar gadgets. Is it the appropriate way of doing it? No, but it is common.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is an extremely useful review and 1 is a completely false misleading and poorly written bird-cage liner, I'd give this review a 3.5. That's pretty good for the NY Times.

I agree, but I have never found reviews useful.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915712)

5/6 of the homes may not need the cable. But it's just a cable. There's no excuse for it costing more than a couple dollars, and it shouldn't have an effect on the price.

Review review review (4, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915296)

(grr, browser deleted first attempt at response)

There's a lot of "I like the Xbox360 better" in this review. Ok, great. Good luck with that. But this is supposed to be a PS3 review, not a console buying guide that compares the different features. Buy a 360 if you want one. I hear they're great. But "the PS3 is not an XBOX360" is not a valid criticism.

It's not saying "PS3 != Xbox360". It's saying "PS3 lacks what Xbox360 had at the same point in time". And a review should tell me whether it's a waste of money, and the question of whether something comparable is better speaks directly to that.

His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times, which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

Well, that was more to emphasize a deficiency, but I'll agree it was misleading.

There are some things the reviewer found annoying. These are valid points. But it's the first weekend of the PS3. Did everything go perfectly on the first weekend for the XBOX360? Does everything ever go perfectly? This part of the review was not balanced, but it was useful and therefore adequate.

But it was balanced -- at the time of the Xbox360's launch, it was quick to set up. At the PS3's launch, it wasn't. Apples to apples.

There's a paragraph about televisions and walkmans. Does that tell you if the PS3 is fun?

Please, that's just background info, to acknowledge that this is a deviation from a brand's otherwise good historic reputation.

I give your review review a 3.5.

"Who reviews the reviewer reviewers? Reviewer reviewer reviewers review reviewer reviewers."

Re:A review review: this review sucks (4, Informative)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915346)

The HDMI cable complaint is completely relevant. Sony have just spent the last year or more trying to persuade people that "only 1080p is True HD", "The next generation starts when we say it starts" and so on, hyping the fact that the PS3 is all about HD.

Then when you buy one you find that

a) it only comes with the same rubbish composite cable that the PS2 came with

b) Motorstorm and Devil May Cry 4 only run at 720p, in order to keep the framerate up

c) there is no internal scaler, so those of us with 720p TVs that can't take a 1080p signal can't even play the sole launch gem Resistance: Fall Of Man at 720p, and have to resort to standard def.

Added together, that's a pretty damning failure in their HD strategy.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915652)

The HDMI cable complaint is completely relevant.

I didn't say it wasn't relevant. To say "it was annoying that I had to buy a $6 cable for a good HD experience" would be valid and informative, if a little petty. To say "Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television" is simply untrue.

I guess I don't share the need to make petty points about Sony's HD message. Some people think that's important for some inexplicable reason.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915906)

BTW

c) there is no internal scaler, so those of us with 720p TVs that can't take a 1080p signal can't even play the sole launch gem Resistance: Fall Of Man at 720p, and have to resort to standard def.

If true, this is a useful bit of information. You have just outdone the NY Times.

(If it's not true, you're tied with them :)

Re:A review review: this review sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16917306)

Being one of the few PS3 owners who actually kept their system to play, let me comment on your three points:

A. That is true, and annoying. It wasn't bad for me, because you can use the PS2 component cable just fine, unlike the Wii, where you cannot use the Gamecube component cable. This does make it fairly nice in that you can buy the MadCatz component cable for pretty cheap just about anywhere.

B. I have heard nothing on this either way, so I will give you that as fact.

C. This is totally false. My TV doesn't run 1080p, I have it set to 720p and Resistance runs at 720p just fine and looks great.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915370)

Despite your dislike for the NYtimes, (One of the better newspapers, IMHO), you need to remember that this revied is aimed at the average person, not the Computer elite who have been reading about the PS3 for years. Most people won't know what a PS3 is all about, why it is better than the PS2, and you need to make comparisons to other similar items.

Who the fuck are you to make up rules about what how a review should be structured? Have you ever written a review for anything? Clearly not!

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915482)

Who the fuck are you to make up rules about what how a review should be structured? Have you ever written a review for anything? Clearly not!

I just did.

Has the NY Times reviewer ever developed a game console? Clearly not! Who the fuck is he to to make up rules about what features a game console should have and how it should work?

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915644)

Has the NY Times reviewer ever developed a game console?

So I guess we should only have reviews from Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft - should they review their own consoles, or each others? They already review their own, they are called press releases. You would be happy with these, they often don't mention other products.

So, how disjointed from reality are you? How do these things compare? I said you should go write a review, you think nytimes should go develop a console? He is the reviewer, he clearly has an idea about what he likes, and he doesn't like. And he has listed some of the things that annoyed him about PS3.

Fucking PS3 fanbois, can't you go find your own site...

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915694)

So I guess we should only have reviews from Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft...

Or you could just give up the BS about who is entitled to have an opinion and who isn't.

NY Times Hater hates NY Times article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915388)

In a shocking turn of events, a guy who hates everything that the NY Times writes dislikes one of their new articles. More at 11!

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915498)

It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system.

Uhm... Dude. That's what the article said.

The PS3 is sold as the HD system. HD is the thing that the PS3 brings to the table. To not include an actual cable to, you know, actually use that HD stuff is just wrong. Seems like even MS includes two cables.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915798)

That's what the article said.

The article says "Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television". That statement is simply false. The composite cable allows you to hook the system up to any modern television.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916418)

Oh ffs, that's called "poorly worded". It's pretty clear, given the reality of the situation, that the intent was to point out the lack of a cable to output HD on an HDTV. The fact you can't accept this means you're either a) thick, or b) a Sony apologist. Or, I suppose, c) both.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915722)

His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times

The article SPECIFICALLY states that the PS3 doesn't "does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television." I think that's a more direct answer than your claim that they include a cable that technically can hook up to an HDTV, just not in HD. In terms of grammar it might be slightly inaccurate, but the spirit of the sentence is truthful. Do you really think a lot of people reading that would think it meant that it came up with absolutely no cables to hook it up to a TV?

which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

What possible agenda could they have?

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915866)

Do you really think a lot of people reading that would think it meant that it came up with absolutely no cables to hook it up to a TV?

I don't know what people will think. But the article says you can't hook it up to an HDTV with the cables that come with it. What that made me think is "what a bunch of BS; this review sucks".

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

dloose (900754) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916374)

What possible agenda could they have?

I wondered where his anti-NYT vitriol was coming from too. Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh must be endorsing Sony or something.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916092)

The reason the 'review' reads like it does is because the author has been coached by Microsoft PR. It's not even subtle.

It immediately gravitates to comparisons with the Xbox 360 (nearly all slanted to topics that Microsoft are keen to put high on the PR agenda, i.e. network play and features of the front-end - most of which were only patched into the X360 dash months after launch anyway). There's scant mention of what the games are like to play or what's due to launch over the coming months. No mention of third-party software support, backwards compatibility, Linux, or comparisons to the Wii, of course.

Re:A review review: this review sucks (1)

Wazukkithemaster (826055) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916288)

His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times, which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

Actually, I'd say his first specific criticism is that it does not provide discernably better graphics. I'm not sure why you're talking about the NY Times as a whole here... I can only assume you are purposefully excercising a genetic fallacy.

The only thing he says about the games is that Resistence: FoM is fun and Blast Factor is "frantic".

Well, this is a review of the PS3 and not the PS3's games. I suppose he's just trying to mislead the reader and confuse them. After all, this is the NY Times we're talking about here.

There's a lot of "I like the Xbox360 better" in this review. Ok, great. Good luck with that. But this is supposed to be a PS3 review, not a console buying guide that compares the different features. Buy a 360 if you want one. I hear they're great. But "the PS3 is not an XBOX360" is not a valid criticism.

However, saying the PS3 does not deliver on goals set forth by Sony (read: fun interactive engaging gameplay. will blow competition out of the water etc etc) as well as a product put forth by Microsoft does, is a perfectly valid criticism.

There's a paragraph about televisions and walkmans. Does that tell you if the PS3 is fun?

No, it tells me that Sony has had success when it focuses on simplicity. It highlights his previous points about the lack of ease of use of the PS3. It is at this time that I would ask you if you have any type of journalistic credentials that would allow you to make an authoritative judgement as to the integrity of this piece. Notice that I said "would" I don't actually care one way or the other... because it certainly doesn't seem that you do. There are more important things here than the PS3 or your ability to judge an article objectively... namely, this is a NY Times article! Sweet Jesus somebody stop them! Those Freedom-Haters...

Fanboy-talk (4, Insightful)

RoLi (141856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915100)

After I read "Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360 [..]" I knew the article is just hype.

First of all, Microsoft didn't take the lead, Playstation 2 still outsells all versions of XBox combined by a rather large margin.

Second, while XBox360 may be very powerful, it sure isn't innovative. The only things that changed between XBox1 and XBox360 are a faster CPU (pretty much to be expected), wireless controllers (not innovative because the technology has been available in stores for many years) and an improved online service (which arguably may be innovative but in fact is just a little more than a glorified ICQ which is nothing really new either).

I think the PS3 is overpriced, rushed out of the door and overpowered, but it sure is innovative: Cell is a completely new architecture and Blu Ray a completely new storage medium.

Of course innovative doesn't equal "better" - which probably is a very subjective thing. However when it comes to innovation I don't see a lot of it on XBox360.

Re:Fanboy-talk (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915930)

Likewise,
Cell is a glorified PPC with some coprocessors.
Blu Ray is a glorified DVD which was already a glorified CD.

Let's calmly wait for the games and see which system is the best for gaming.

Re:Fanboy-talk (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916178)

Actually, Cell is a beat-down PPC with some glorified coprocessors. The PPE in Cell is a stripped down PowerPC, because the idea is that the SPEs will do the things that they ripped out.

Re:Fanboy-talk (5, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917250)

And a CD is a glorified cassette which is a glorified 8-track which is a glorified record which is a glorified phonograph plate (???) which is a glorified imitation singer which is a glorified minstrel which is a glorified poet which is a glorified storyteller which is a glorified cave wall painting which is a glorified grunt, which was really just to pick up cave chicks anyway before resorting to beating them and dragging them hairwise to your cave.

Re:Fanboy-talk (3, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916344)

I think the PS3 is overpriced, rushed out of the door and overpowered, but it sure is innovative: Cell is a completely new architecture and Blu Ray a completely new storage medium.

Uhh, huh? Cell is just the PS2 architecture taken to it's logical conclusion. Rather than a bunch of special purpose vector units surrounding a single core, you have a bunch of cores. Nothing terribly special, there, IMHO.

And BR is just a souped up DVD. Nothing more, nothing less. It's no more innovative than moving from CD to DVD... it's yet another optical drive, with it's usual host of problems (load times, scratched media, etc, etc).

Honestly, I see very little in the PS3 that's terribly innovative or compelling. The Cell is really the best thing it has going for it, as far as that goes, and ironically, it works *against* game developers by making their jobs significantly harder, as writing a game for the PS3 is now a very different task compared to writing one for, say, the Wii or 360.

Re:Fanboy-talk (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916658)

After I read "Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360 [..]" I knew the article is just hype.

I didn't see him say MS took the sales lead. They certainly did take the performance lead, and as the first ones to launch in this generations of consoles, that also makes them a leader of that pack. How you choose to interpret his words doesn't make him a fanboy.

Second, while XBox360 may be very powerful, it sure isn't innovative. The only things that changed between XBox1 and XBox360 are a faster CPU (pretty much to be expected), wireless controllers (not innovative because the technology has been available in stores for many years) and an improved online service (which arguably may be innovative but in fact is just a little more than a glorified ICQ which is nothing really new either).

Well, hey. Welcome to consoles. They can't all be "innovative". SNES was just a faster processor and a few more controller buttons compared to the NES. You might say that the SNES used the faster processor to do some innovative things, but the same may end up being true for the 360.

I think the PS3....sure is innovative: ...Blu Ray a completely new storage medium.

Hmmm....new storage medium that differs from the previous medium only in capacity and speed. I thought you just said that being faster wasn't innovative. Is the capacity the deal-maker for innovation? Back in the cartridge days, was adding more ROM to a cartridge an innovation?

Re:Fanboy-talk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16917310)

SNES was just a faster processor and a few more controller buttons compared to the NES. You might say that the SNES used the faster processor to do some innovative things, but the same may end up being true for the 360.

On the contrary. The SNES introduced a dedicated sound processor and dedicated graphics hardware that handled pseudo-3D effects, transparency composition, and the like. Indeed, those were the two key features that set it apart from the Genesis (Sega put their efforts into CPU speed and screen resolution, with the consequence that the SNES and the Genesis were relatively different beasts and excelled in different areas - SNES had better RPGs and even a couple of FPSes, Genesis had better arcade ports, IIRC).

Re:Fanboy-talk (1)

kabdib (81955) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916752)

Okay, so now you've got a thingumy in your living room with a !!!Cell Processor!!! and !!!Blu Ray!!! and um, well . . . now what? It's not like you're going to be programming the damned thing (and, let's face it, you don't exactly need Blu Ray to do a home video of your life).

"But I've got a ***C*E*L*L**P*R*O*C*E*S*S*O*R*** a-an-and --"

Realization dawns. It doesn't matter if there are magic sex-starved nympho computation fairies pushing the electrons around inside. Once again you've bought something because someone else said, "Shiny!" and you didn't know why it was important, or even if it was. Sure, you can run Linux on it, but you can do a better job of that for hundreds of dollars less. You weigh the controller experimentally in your hands. [You know that the mounting points for the rumble motors are still in there? Yup.]

"Oh sh8t, I've gotta unload this on eBay..."

Re:Fanboy-talk (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917136)

First of all, Microsoft didn't take the lead, Playstation 2 still outsells all versions of XBox combined by a rather large margin.

Wondering if this was Sony's idea all along... the reason the PS3 is so high-end and high-price is because they already have a low-end console with a low price that sells spectacularly well, called.. a PS2...

Not exactly well planned out... (2, Interesting)

crossmr (957846) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915156)

Don't be so kind. This was a completely botched released. Sony has shot themselves in the foot. Maybe not the foot, Upper-thigh and with a shotgun is more accurate. They can recover from it, but they've got about 5 seconds to stop the bleeding.

The PS3 is great but... (1)

EricJ2190 (1016652) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915194)

The PS3 it not a bad system. It is technologically top-of-the-line. However, three things ruin it.
1) $599 U.S. Dollars +
2) They are too hard to get.
3) No vibrating controllers.

Re:The PS3 is great but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916736)

3) No vibrating controllers.

What's the obsession with vibrating controllers? I thought the conventional wisdom was that there are no female gamers.

What's going on with Sony? (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915202)

What went wrong with Sony? Why can't they compete anymore? What's up with the bad quality of the online system?

I have no actual insight into what's happening at Sony, but I think there's a possibility that might be some kind of brain drain going on there. Sony used to be a cool place to work for during the PS1/PS2 era, but ever since the Rootkit fiasco, they've been the bad guys. What self-respecting geek would want to work for Sony?

Maybe they simply don't have the quality and quantity of programmers to implement something the the PS3 online service in a timely manner.

But maybe not. As I said, I don't know anyone working at Sony and have no insight into what's going on there.

Re:What's going on with Sony? (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915322)

What went wrong with Sony? Why can't they compete anymore?

The complete answer: You believe what you read on the Internet and there's been a lot of biased anti-Sony stories. Therefore, you believe that something went wrong at Sony and they can't compete anymore. If you were more discerning, you might just wait and see whether Sony's strategy with the PS3 works.

(And on the MP3-player front, their content divisions screwed that up because they were afraid anything they'd do would hurt their CD sales.)

Re:What's going on with Sony? (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916282)

Sorry, but Sony is going to lose a lot of market share with the PS3. It's probably not going to be a Walkman situation, but it's going to be bad. But that doesn't actually matter: My point was that their products aren't as good as they used to be. Maybe they can compete as far as market share is concerned, but it's because of their name, not because of the quality of their products.

MP3 players and consoles aren't the only parts of Sony going down the drain.

Never buying another Sony product (1)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915648)

I'll vote for Bill Gates for President before I buy another product from the company that sold Music CDs with f***ing viruses.

I can't say I'm sad to see them fail.

Re:Never buying another Sony product (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916224)

I'll vote for Bill Gates for President before I buy another product from the company that sold Music CDs with f***ing viruses.

It wasn't a virus, it was a trojan.

Re:Never buying another Sony product (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916580)

So instead of buying from a kamikaze bomber, you want to support a guy that will stand on a carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished" over and over again?

Not that any of the three haven't had their own evil stretch. Nintendo was a convicted monopolist at one point, after all.

Re:Never buying another Sony product (1)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916694)


So instead of buying from a kamikaze bomber, you want to support a guy that will stand on a carrier and proclaim "Mission Accomplished" over and over again?

First of all, WTF are you talking about? What does George Bush have to do with this?

Second, I'm not buying any of the consoles. I already have a great device that plays online games really well - a PC. I have no desire to spend $600 on something that can only play games, and doesn't even do that particularly well.

Positive Experiences Here (4, Informative)

Frobozz0 (247160) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915686)

I got a PS3 60Gb at the official NYC launch event at the Sony Style store. Everyone was guaranteed a unit, and we all got one. Things were cival, orderly, and even friendly. I made a couple new friends in line and walked out with my unit at about 2:45 AM!

My impressions of the unit:

Resistance looks great and plays great. If you don't like 1st person shooters, don't bother, but if you do you will not be disappointed. I found that most of the game demos on the floor didn't show the best aspects of all the games available. Sad, but true-- the actual game was much better than the demo.

The downloadable games are a lot of fun and very reasonably priced at under $10 a pop. The launch titles were much stronger than the PS2 launch titles and certainly on par with the Wii and 360. As with any console, the best games will be 6 to 9 months out-- but this is just the typical next-gen timetable. If you have an HD tv, this is the console to get.

Blu-ray movies look as good as they should. Kudos for that. I consider that a token only because I think it would be hard to screw that up. However, as with DVD, the best experiences are to come. Talladega Nights looked good and sounded great, but I really want the Matrix in Blu-ray to confirm it's superiority to HD-DVD. :-)

So the PS3 lived up to all the hype. Here are some interesting improvements I'm certain we'll see over time. And, thankfully, we can expect regular updates of functionality just like the 360. Honestly I could go on and on about how much I liked the experience and enjoy the games. I also know full well that there is improvement to be made over time, and it WILL be done. Here are some ideas:

1) When buying a game demo, purchasing the full game should be an unlock code and not another download. They are large.

2) You should be able to download content in the background from the store.

3) Motorstorm is an amazing game and it's a shame it wasn't available on launch day. I can't wait to get my hands on that one.

4) More Bluetooth compatibility for keyboards and mice.

5) Drop the price to $399 - $499 and it's a no brainer. $599 was pricy but for me, eh, I'll live with it.

People love to bash the PS3 and praise the Wii online-- it's progressed to an art form now. But, I just don't see it. I know the Wii is nice and all, but if you are looking for an HD experience look no further than PS3. The games really are great, the downloadable content is competent and very fun, and the UI is pretty slick.

1080p games yet? (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915814)

I saw a ps3 running some truck driving game (i have no idea what it was) at a Best Buy this weekend. Not being a sony fan recently, I have to say I was really really impressed with the graphics. Are there any games that run at 1080p or are they all 1080i/720p for launch?

I didn't play it, I just watched some kid play it, so I can't speak to anything else, but the graphics were killer.

"My vibrating features have been turned off" (1)

traycerb (728174) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916172)

This has been making the rounds, but for those who haven't seen it, here's an thoughtful, insightful commentary on the new gen consoles. PS3 vs Wii - Google Video [google.com]

Slight inaccuracies... (1)

Warlock7 (531656) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916488)

I agree, I would've liked to have seen some component cables included with the system.

The 360's wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.
As with the PS3, the 360 wireless controller needs to be wired for recharging, using the Microsoft recharge kit with battery, an extra $20 for the controller to have a rechargeable battery. So, the reviewer isn't quite right about that, they're not always wireless.

...one of the things I've always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn't seem too complicated, but the PS3 can't do it.
The 360 didn't do this when it came out either, this was a downloaded enhancement.

(Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3's deficiencies.) The thing is, if people want to use a computer, they'll use a computer.
Sony is telling everybody the same thing that MS told everybody when it came out. Live, on the other hand, has had several years to evolve into what it currently is, while the PS3 online experience is really just beginning.

I would've liked it if the "browser" would allow more than 32 characters in the URL field. There are plenty of sites that have more than 32 characters in the URL.

Re:Slight inaccuracies... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916856)

This is due to the recent Sony tradition of copying MicroSoft features. 32 characters ought to be enough for anybody.

Re:Slight inaccuracies... (1)

Frostclaw (1006995) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916878)

Are you sure customizable soundtrack wasn't available out of the box on the 360? It was core functionality of the original XBox, and I know mine had customizable soundtrack when I picked it up in February. The only thing I needed to download was the optional iPod support.

Re:Slight inaccuracies... (1)

cplusplus (782679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16917174)

As with the PS3, the 360 wireless controller needs to be wired for recharging, using the Microsoft recharge kit with battery, an extra $20 for the controller to have a rechargeable battery. So, the reviewer isn't quite right about that, they're not always wireless.
I always have a couple rechargable AA batteries sitting in the charger. When one of my 360 controllers starts to blink it's little low battery blink, I just pop in the fresh set, and put the drained ones back in the charger queue. It takes about 15 seconds. No wires involved.

PS3 doz sux (1)

Voltar (973532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916820)

You teh sux0r 2 sae teh PS3 is not going to teh r0x0r! Yew lie, yew 360 luvr. U teh sux! U maek thing up, go die!!!1111one!1!!!1
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