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Wii Launches, Sells Out Peacefully

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the no-gunfire-ftw dept.

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porcupine8 writes "Like the Playstation 3, the Nintendo Wii sold out on launch day this weekend. Unlike the PS3, the launch was a peaceful affair with no reports yet of console-related violence in the US. This may be partially due to the fact that Nintendo promises to have a total of four million units in stores by Christmas, with the bulk of those going to North America. Midnight launch parties on both the east and west coasts ushered the new console in with a bang." Please, if you've managed to snag a Wii yourself, share your opinions below! Update: 11/20 17:25 GMT by Z : A few quick impressions from 24 hours of owning a Wii, and some links on the subject if you Read More.All I have to say so far is pretty positive. I snagged Rayman Raving Rabbids, Zelda, and (on a lark) Red Steel. I haven't had the heart to play Red Steel yet, but Rayman is a great, quirky mini-game game. I think this format is going to be pretty common for the Wii, and I'm actually looking forward to it. Zelda is ... Zelda. I really, really like it, but if you're getting tired of the same old thing you're going to be disappointed. My big complaint is the glacially slow internet connection. I have never owned a Genesis, and so wanted to snag Sonic for some cheap laughs. Purchasing Wii points took about half an hour, and I never actually managed to download the game (despite having paid for it). I'm hoping that today, with less hammering on the servers, I'll have more luck. Expect a more complete review next week. In the mean time, Chris Kohler at Game|Life has had a Wii since last week, and has some considered opinions on its launch issues, and a bit more specifically on virtual console problems.

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Resell (-1)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915366)

The real question is, how is the resell doing?

Re:Resell (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915514)

I don't understand the meaning of this word. Resell? Wii? Huh?

Re:Resell (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915538)

It's interesting to note that on Ebay the Wii is going for several hundred $, while the PS3 is going for several thousand $. It's probably because Nintendo has promised to ship 4 million consoles. I wonder where the equilibrium price is for these consoles? Will Nintendo make more money by shipping a lot but charging $250, or will Sony make more by shipping less but charging $600? Is the craze that Sony causes by undersupplying their product worth it in the end?

Re:Resell (4, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915806)

I thought Nintendo was taking a profit on the Wii while Sony was taking a loss on the PS3... So that would mean Nintendo needs to sell one to beat Sony, it Sony sells none, and doesn't need to sell any if Sony sells one.

That is if you ignore the profit from game sales, and look only at console sales.

Re:Resell (2, Informative)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915594)

The real question is, how is the resell doing?

My real question would be... is anyone else having sensor issues with Red Steel? The cross hair jumps all over the screen and it's not hard for me to make the game spin in one direction constantly while holding the controller in the opposite direction. I wonder if I setup my sensor right. However, my 3 other games (Zelda, Marvel, and DBZ) all work very well.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Resell (4, Informative)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915756)

Not sure, but Red Steel has had lackluster reviews on gameplay and the dev-team always had some issues with the control - i.e. the small targeting "reticle" (i.e. once the remote moves out of this small reticle, the player turns). Your sensor bar may be fine, the game may just suck :)

Re:Resell (3, Informative)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916100)

I've had no problem with it. That said, the game is not great. Do you have a reflective surface in the room? I've heard reports of issues just like yours from people with glass coffee tables and such.

Re:Resell (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916104)

I found out something good and geek-worthdy about the wii.

There is a way to set the sensor bar sensitivity in the root of the main menu, before the channels.

The interesting thing is that it shows you a PIXEL DUMP of the infrafed camera in the wiimote.
that camera looks at the 2 IR LEDS in the sensor bar.

If you see more than 2 light dots on the raw pixel dump, you can adjust the sensitivity with
a 5 level slider.

You can play with this by passing a refrective surface near the bar and you will see where it registers
on the wiimote-mounted camera-sensor. (you can also deduce it's resolution).

Re:Resell (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916184)

Well, I noticed the same thing. I think the way they designed it, you turn by moving the cursor to the edge of the screen. It probably has some algorithms dependent upon some kind of timing related to this. The upshot is, if you point it away from the screen too far or too long, it doesn't know what to do, so you have to keep it pointed at the screen. Kind of tires my arm.

Whenever it goes haywire, I'm always able to fix it by just pointing the Wiimote at the center of the screen, and it'll "recenter" you and quit moving.

Re:Resell (1)

Bobartig (61456) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916208)

Whats the relationship of your sensor bar to your TV? Is it above or below? I had my sensor bar about 8 inches below the bottom bezel of my tv, and it was not easy to use. I propped it up with some books to be closer to the bottom edge, and things improved. Then, I put it on top of the TV (changed the sensor bar settings) and I feel I got the tightest response at that point. If this doesn't help, I got nothing.

I'm still on the fence regarding red steel; the reviews are all over the place.

Re:Resell (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916232)

I'm sorry, you appear to be trying to play an FPS on a console.

Would you like help?
  • Install a module to help with aiming
  • Read instructions on how to plug a mouse into the Wii
  • Buy a PC

People (5, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915764)

It could be that the price of the units make them more of a commonity. Some people might have been counting on selling the units at a 400% profit and when they couldn't, getting pretty angry. $250 profit is a lot less than $2000.

It might also have nothing to do with money and more to do with personality and character. PS3's and Wii's probably attract different kinds of people, but each attract a certain type of person. Back in the 90s I did a study of people using browsers by first blocking IE and allowing Netscape users in, allowing that to happen for a couple months and then switching it around so that Netscape users where blocked and IE users where allowed in. The site was a fan site for a musician and so people visiting had a strong desire to see the content. In each case, when I blocked a certain browser, I would receive angry emails from the people that were blocked. Maybe about 25-50 for each browser. I found that IE users on average would use poor grammar, make more spelling mistakes and generally shorter words than Netscape users. I also found that most Netscape users would send longer emails while several IE users would be very short and frank with me. The same effect is most likely the case with gaming consoles, computers, operating systems and everything else.

Whoops (1)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915820)

s/commonity/commodity/

Re:Whoops (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916144)

Doesn't matter. You still obviously don't have any idea what the word means.

Re:Whoops (1, Flamebait)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916164)

s/commonity/commodity/

You must be an IE user :)

Considering you yourself said that IE users had a tendency to have poor spelling and grammar haha...

Now I'm using FF2 with the new spell check feature so you won't see any of that here from me :)

Re:Resell (4, Informative)

DinZy (513280) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916070)

eBay has 25K+ steady with 50 selling every minute. Some units are going for reasonable prices (360 w/ Zelda shipped which would cost 330-340 on amazon ), but many are still about 100 bucks higher than retail (not including tax). The volume is rather ridiculous and the listings are very misleading ( Wii sports = 5 games, extra controller = the one that comes with the system). There are 42 from my locale and from estimates that appears to be 15-20% of all consoles sold here.

I think sooner or later this is going to bust.

That just means... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915374)

That Wii gamers are peace-loving pansies, and PS3 users are bad-ass tough guys.

Therefore PS3 games will be cooler.

-PS3 fanboy, loal x 3

Re:That just means... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915472)

That Wii gamers are peace-loving pansies, and PS3 users are bad-ass tough guys.
Or that Nintendo made a console that can sell itself and doesn't need to be hyped by limiting supply to increase demand.

you know... whichever you prefer.

Re:That just means... (1, Insightful)

EricJ2190 (1016652) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915534)

No, it just means that Wii fans actually have decency.

Re:That just means... (5, Funny)

rlbond86 (874974) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916074)

or PS3 users just don't realize they're getting ripped off -Only spent $250 on his console

xkcd (5, Funny)

TheRagingTowel (724266) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915402)

This one nailed it: Console Lines [xkcd.com]

Re:xkcd (1, Insightful)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915660)

Mod points++! Funny because it's true! I talked with people who said PS3 line fans where pretty much saying that or worse. Though, I cannot say I hugged any of the people in line for the Wii... nor would I have wanted to unless some of them showered.

console-related violence (5, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916024)

No violence? Yeah right. While I was waiting for a Wii someone actually jumped on my head. As if that wasn't enough, he then threw a turtle shell at me.

xkcd == pure genius (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916124)

i caught on to xkcd with the 'sudo sandwich' comic. i've been reading it since and it's now a part of my regular comic lineup (penny arcade, pvp, megatokyo, ctrl-alt-del and xkcd). you know it's good when you resonate with such a large audience using stick figures.

Re:xkcd == pure genius (3, Informative)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916160)

I still maintain that VG Cats [vgcats.com] say it best.

Long queues reported for a Wii... (5, Funny)

phase_9 (909592) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915410)

And there was me thinking it was just women who suffered from this social problem... :P

Re:Long queues reported for a Wii... (1)

denttford (579202) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915696)

Actually, this is part of Nintendo's ad targeting of women.

As I expected (1)

EricJ2190 (1016652) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915414)

I am sure the Wii didn't have a "shortage" either.

Re:As I expected (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915642)

I guess they did, except there will probably be more stock by the end of the week. At least for the day after thanksgiving sales. Nintendo has always been pretty decent on getting restock *most of the time*.

Re:As I expected (4, Interesting)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915676)

depends on how you define shortage.

I'm sure no one camped out for a week for the Wii (like so many did for the PS3), although many camped out for around 20+ hours.

I got up at 5am on sunday morning and my friend picked me up and we were going to go to bestbuy, but there were around 200 people in line outside, then we went to another bestbuy where there were at least 100 people in line. A nearby target had an enormous crowd outside, too.

We finally went to a slightly hidden Circuit city where there were 21 people waiting and we got in line. After talking to the guys there, we learned that the store had 16 units physically at the store and were expecting a *possible* shipment of 15 more at 7am, and we'd find out at that time. Since we really didn't know where else to go at that time, we decided to stick it out.

The couple of guys immediately in front of us were there for only about 20 minutes when we arrived (at about 5:30) and the guys in front of them got there at midnight. The group of guys at the head of the line were there since 8am the day before and had sleeping bags and a tent.

It's kinda funny because several people came and went in those early hours (the store was gonna open at 10) but since it wasn't a sure thing, no one really wanted to stick it out to find out if those extra 15 units were going to show up, so until about 9:30 (the truck had gotten a flat and hadn't shown up yet) there were only about 10 people behind us... it wasn't until about then that suddenly people were showing up left and right.

and AT 10, a couple of people showed up thinking they'd avoid the crowd and get there when they first open to pick their wii up. they were a little shocked that people were waiting outside. they didn't understand.

heh.

but I got one!! and it's AWESOME.

red steel sucks, though.

Re:As I expected (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915884)

Sometimes it pays to go to the overlooked stores. I went to KMart at 7:15. There was one logical person waiting (two physical people, but one was just there to keep the other company, not to buy). KMart had 2 units, so I got mine at 8:00. A friend of mine tried Sears. The had 2 units, and there were two logical people in line an hour before opening (my friend would have been #3, unfortunately).

K-Mart never gets any love. (-1, Redundant)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916098)

:-(

Re:As I expected (2, Funny)

Techguy666 (759128) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916150)

'm sure no one camped out for a week for the Wii (like so many did for the PS3)


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew s/20061119/nintendo_wii_061119/20061120?hub=SciTec h [www.ctv.ca] Isaiah Triforce Johnson camped for *more* than a week. Wearing a Nintendo Power Glove. Of course, if you legally change your name to reference Zelda, of course you're expected to do crazy things.

European market (1)

PsyQo (1020321) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915420)

At least we Europeans don't have to wait until March for the Wii (like the PS3), but we can start enjoying it as soon as December!
Thank you very much Nintendo, you'll get my money!

Re:European market (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915596)

I didn't know that. Cool :) I do like the sound of the controller, though Nintendo games have never been too appealing to me. I bought the DS because of the interface too though, and it has given me the odd few hours of fun here and there (pretty much only when I go on holiday, the rest of the time I'd spend time with my girlfriend, play games on my laptop, or play my family's PS2). If there are any good multiplayer Wii games then I can see it gaining a lot of use from me, my friends and family (as long as you don't end up punching people while waving your arms around like an idiot) :)

Re:European market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916050)

I bought the DS because of the interface too though, and it has given me the odd few hours of fun here and there (pretty much only when I go on holiday, the rest of the time I'd spend time with my girlfriend, play games on my laptop, or play my family's PS2).

Your post lacks any credibility buddy ...

Sold Out? huh?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915430)

I purchased my Wii this morning at a local walmart. they had 2 left I got one.

I wonder about some of the headlines or are they making "assumptions" based on the sales at major metro areas.

I bet there is a walmart or two in smaller towns across america that still has a unit on the shelves.

Re:Sold Out? huh?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915566)

I bet there is a walmart or two in smaller towns across america that still has a unit on the shelves.
That really doesn't do anyone that matters any good, does it?

#1 I won't set foot in Wal*Mart for less than nine figures compensation.
#2 Nobody in the flyover states would know what to do with one if they had one, since it doesn't dispense Miller Lite, show them NASCAR, or beat their wives for them.

I really wish small town America would stop pretending it matters.

Re:Sold Out? huh?? (0, Offtopic)

andyring (100627) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915714)

Gee, thanks. Your prejudice is so nice. Don't write off us "flyover" states so quickly. Don't forget that for all of you on the coasts, us Midwesterners feed and clothe you and produce the ethanol that powers your car. NASCAR is actually more popular on the coasts than it is in the Midwest, believe it or not. Around here, football is what we care about, and that is pretty much universally loved nationwide.

"Small town America" is what built this country. Don't be so quick to discount us.

Re:Sold Out? huh?? (2, Informative)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916046)

Dude only a fool takes offense when none is intended, and it is the bigger fool that takes offence when it is.
AKA. Don't feed the trolls.
This guy is some poor fool has to make himself feel better by tying his self worth to where hey lives since he can not find anything about himself to be proud of.

Re:Sold Out? huh?? (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915860)

Just read an article in the paper about the NASCAR political demographic. The majority is upper or lower-middle class men. Also the army and navy both sponsor NASCAR and it costs half a million to get a quarter panel graphic, but they will not disclose figures on how much they spent advertising with them. This is our tax money! FULL DISCLOSURE! *ahem* Anyway the point is that you're totally fucking wrong about the NASCAR demographic. And BTW I hate NASCAR, because I only watch racing that involves turning left and right and they only do that twice in their season.

Local Gamestore Figures (4, Interesting)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915432)

Wii: 50 units
PS3: 1 unit

The question that's coming in the spring, when the PS3 might actually be available in quantity, is what kind of demand will exist once all the hardcore types already have theirs.

Re:Local Gamestore Figures (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916234)

Uh, the launch numbers for NA so far are:

Wii: 600-800k shipped/sold - Nintendo under-shipped by almost half of what they were originally planning for NA
PS3: 400k shipped/sold

But, hey, whatever you want to believe(or pretend to believe)...

I expected it (2, Interesting)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915446)

I thought it would sell out on day 1, but what I worry about as an English man who hasn't pre-ordered is if we'll see stocks pick up before christmas. Ideally it'd be good to be able to buy one off the self after less than a week... but with hearing that the bulk of their stocks are going to North America I'm left a little worried - I might have to preorder after all.

Of course "day 1" is a sellout... (4, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915766)

Of course "day 1" is a sellout...this is one of the oldest marketing tricks in the book.

If they made 1M units available on day 1 and only 50% sold, the headline would be: "Plenty of Product X left after first day (expect discounts soon)"

However, when they make 100K units available on day 1 and all sell in a few hours, the headline is "Product X sells out first day (don't expect a discount soon)"

The whole point is to create a buyers frenzy and match it with artificial supply constraints to ensure everyone pays full price or more, all while getting free press from Slashdot and other media whores with lazy editors...

Linux (1)

Life700MB (930032) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915464)


Be ready for the first Fedora-on-wii videos!

Just kidding, really, but is it feasible? What CPU does it use? Another Power-based from IBM? Has it got lots of ram? And what about the data, how is it fed to the machine?

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Re:Linux (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915618)

i asked this in another thread but havent gotten an answer:

wouldnt the Wii's lack of HD support mean an OS would be limited to 640x480? if so, that would render it nealy unusable.

Re:Linux and BSD (2, Informative)

bubbaD (182583) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915970)

Unusable! you mean for Mame-type gaming? Why, back in my day, we were happy if we could get a readable font and a color other than green or orange!

Seriously, Nintendo is very tight with proprietary intellectual property, and it is probably too much effort to try and put *nix on it. I'm sure wireless drivers will be a nightmare, especially.
PS3, on the other hand, sounds like it was a bit rushed into production, and offers 'expandability' and seems therefore more likely to be hackable.

Re:Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916190)

It does come with an SD slot...

Re:Linux (1)

Ransak (548582) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915720)

I've heard the native OS is a custom Linux kernel [slashdot.org] , but that's not exactly reliable information.

Re:Linux (4, Informative)

flooey (695860) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915838)

What CPU does it use? Another Power-based from IBM?

Not really related, but I was looking at how the hardware designers came together for the current and last generation of consoles, and it was pretty interesting.

Sixth generation:

PS2: Sony/Toshiba CPU + Sony GPU
GameCube: IBM CPU + ATI GPU
Xbox: Intel CPU + NVIDIA GPU

Seventh generation:

PS3: IBM CPU + NVIDIA GPU
Wii: IBM CPU + ATI GPU
Xbox 360: IBM CPU + ATI GPU

Re:Linux (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915904)

No idea on the RAM. Uses an optical drive. Uses another PowerPC-based processor from IBM, that we know for sure.

Why a Christmas Launch? (4, Insightful)

stealie72 (246899) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915500)

If Nintendo really can have 4 million Wiis in stores by christmas, a late november launch makes sense, but in the case of the PS3, why did they release this late when they know full well they won't even begin to meet demand for christmas?

Christmas buyers aren't your hard core fanboys who will wait in line to buy the thing, so why not launch it in the summer, get the fanboys set, then work hard to produce enough of your system to keep in in stock for christmas buyers (you know, like MS did). Sony made a major error here, in that lots moms and dads buying the system for their kids are going to wait a full year till next christmas to do so. Meanwhile, Nintendo has Wiis in stock, for 1/2 the price, ready to be snatched up by Santa.

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (4, Informative)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915824)

It's not like Sony wanted to release the console this late. It was initially delayed because of problems with the Cell processor and the Blu-ray readers. This is also why there aren't that many units available for sale.

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (1)

Meatloaf Surprise (1017210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915836)

The sooner PS3s start selling the better chance they have of securing the market. If they wait until summer '07, it will be too late to enter the game as most gamers won't wait that long to buy a system and will already have a 360, Wii, or both. Despite there only being 400,000 units available, that's still 400,000 customers. Take that as you will, that's at least 1 game per system sold, not to mention the accessories, the movies, etc. to go along with the system. Plus, that's 400,000 gamers that will show off their new toy to their friends, who will in turn, wait for the system because of their good experience with it (obviously not 100% will like it and cancel their Wii/360 orders, but even if 10% do, its still worth it for Sony).

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (1)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916226)

Don't assume 1 game per system. It may average at least that, but there are enough videos of people smashing them or wishing to use them for scientific research that its unlikely all will be used for gaming. Don't forget its still a cheap blueray player. There might be a few parents who don't know that it doesn't come with a game. For $600, you'd think they could include a game.

Its entirely possible the PS3 will be a success, but they have a very late start. They have to do do what Microsoft did with the xbox and Nintendo did with the Super NES. Launching last is not always a good thing. I think the real make or break for all three consoles is what console companies decide to make games for. If EA and friends like the Wii and the xbox360, Sony is screwed. Part of that decision is based on how many potential sales they can get, how hard it is to develop for it, and feasibility with the target audience. In this case, Wii fans are not just little kids. Its possible to target the older games who grew up with the NES in addition to the younger gamers Nintendo is known for getting. That leaves a battle between Sony and Microsoft for the other type of gamers and Microsoft has a lead.

Sony fans, you'll need to buy a lot of games to turn the tide. Then again some of you can afford it if you can afford $600 for a console. That's a PC to me.

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (2, Interesting)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915852)

I definitely think Sony shouldn't have tried to launch in the U.S. and Japan so close together. With as few units as they had, they should have sold them all either in Japan, or all in the U.S. Though, from what I hear, it sounds like even the retailers (eg. GameStop, Best Buy) didn't know until ~a week before the U.S. launch that the numbers were going to be a fair bit less than what they were originally promised. So I guess even people at Sony were being much more optimistic than they should have been.

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (2)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916004)

So their shareholders don't hammer them for letting XBox 360 have 2 holiday seasons without "competition" from Sony. While it's true that the PS3 was largely a paper launch, perception is everything.

The PS3 will bomb though; the gaming press hates it, gamers are "meh" about it, and the best game for it (Resistance: Fall of Man) is basically seen as a shitty knock off of Gears of War.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony be a takeover target here soon if their PS3/BluRay strategy backfires; they're investing too much of the company's future in a gaming system that the gaming public is largely unenthusiastic about (PS3 prices on eBay have already come down close to retail; most of the "mad rush" of people on launch day were looking to score one to resell on eBay.)

Re:Why a Christmas Launch? (2)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916032)

so why not launch it in the summer, get the fanboys set, then work hard to produce enough of your system to keep in in stock for christmas buyers

You mean launch summer 2007? That's essentially what they'd have to do to have enough units available for a christmas season. I don't think Sony wanted to wait that long as it gave the competition to much of a lead, plus the game makers are probbably chomping at the bit to get the thing released so they can sell games.

Sony was probbably betting on this "limited quantities" release to placate the super-hardcore guys who're drueling to get their hands on it. Those guys might start loosing interest if they made them wait another 7 months. (Or worse, buy a Wii or an XBox360 or both, and MAYBE buy the PS3 much later). They knew there's no way they could crank out enough machines to meet a Christmas demand this year, so they bet on creating "buzz" about the machine this Christmas by releasing enough so there could at least be articles, reviews, etc floating around to at least compete with the Wii and XB0X360 (since they knew they couldn't compete with actual sales).

Wii/PS3 numbers (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915520)

Does anyone have raw numbers comparing the Wii and PS3 sales? (Or noone releases these?)

I would be interested in seeing how many times the number of Wii units sold vs PS3, since we know that the Wii supply was plentiful and the PS3 scarce.

Re:Wii/PS3 numbers (1)

slacktheplanet (303034) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915750)

Nexgenwars.com [nextgenwars.com] has some figures.

Re:Wii/PS3 numbers (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915754)

It will all be speculation until NPD numbers are released for November next month.

But so far just from shipping numbers:

PS3: 400k initial shipment, 600k more PS3s in the process of being shipped to the US already. Some people on Amazon have already bought the first of the non-launch PS3s.

Wii: It looks like there were less than a million, maybe 800k. Nintendo states they are aiming to reach 2 million by the middle of January.

So, assuming both consoles continue to sell out, Nintendo will probably have between a 500k to 1 million lead by the end of January. Although I think Sony's manufacturing is going to be pumping out more and more every week as the process matures, while Nintendo is already at that point. So it might actually be even closer come January.

One thing that is funny is there are more Wiis on eBay than PS3s...

Re:Wii/PS3 numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16916136)

http://nexgenwars.com/ [nexgenwars.com] has sales numbers, if these are from a hat or reliable sources is not at all clear.

Re:Wii/PS3 numbers (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916166)

I don't think that anyone really knows, but (as a guestimate) I would say that there were about 4 times as many Wii and PS3s.

On Friday/Saturday I called several Futureshop, Bestbuy, Toys R US, Zellers and Superstores to find out how many systems they had, how many had been pre-ordered, and how many PS3s they had (as a comparison). The Futureshop/Bestbuy stores I called had between 60 and 100 units each (compared to 12-20 PS3s), The walmarts had between 40 and 80 units (compared to 8 to 15 PS3s), the Toys R US stores had 50 to 100 units (compared to 5 to 10 PS3s) and the Zellers/Superstores had 15 to 30 units (compared to 5 to 10 PS3s).

My numbers could be off a bit (I don't exactly remember the numbers) but the message from all of the stores was the same; they had far more Wii then they had of any previous system at launch and they expected to have several early in the morning. When I started driving around at 6:00am looking for a good line I started to think that the managers underestimated the demand. I (personally) would be shocked if the Wii had less than 3 times as many units available as the PS3, and wouldn't be too suprised if they had 5 times as many units.

Re:Wii/PS3 numbers (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916246)

Well, CNN had reported that Nintendo had shipped 2 million Wii units which is double expected if I remember correctly. Reportedly, [smh.com.au] The Wii is sold out everywhere. I can certainly attest to this fact. I tried 8 different stores in an 1 hour 30 min driving radius and failed at every turn. The closest I got was at my third try. A Toy 'R Us which I stood in line 90 minutes only to have them run out of tickets 5 people ahead of me...I can't find any solid game sales numbers, but the shelves have been pretty bare and Zelda's missing from most online retailers.

Sony's launch in Japan [neoseeker.com] sold 88,400 units but only 0.98 games per machine...

Sony's US launch doesn't appear to have hit the intended 400,000 units. One group estimates a lowly 100,000 [itwire.com.au] while others guess at closer to 150,000 to 200,000 [digitmag.co.uk] neither of which are more than half the hoped shipping amount. We can safly say that all of them sold, but who knows how many games are being sold?

While the US launch certainly puts Nintendo in a good position this holiday season, the PS3 has the head start in Japan, since the Wii doesn't launch until December 2nd [pocket-lint.co.uk] and even then, it'll only be 400,000 units. Personally, I can't wait to hear when the second US shipments start rolling in...

financial incentives (4, Funny)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915528)


That's because the robbers make roughly 60% less money for each unit of felonious prison sentence.

No way would I go to jail for 10-25 years just to make $250. But, for $600 it starts to look more attractive.

Re:financial incentives (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915876)

No way would I go to jail for 10-25 years just to make $250. But, for $600 it starts to look more attractive.

So, assuming you get out in 10 years, that's an average of $60 per year. Or about 30 cents/hour.

And I'd be astonished if the US system allowed you to keep what you'd stolen, so you would have to forfeit that.

Don't think you're selling yourself a bit short, do you? If you're going to steal something, you might as well make it worthwhile and make it in the millions.

Actually Wii purchasers were assaulted by a gunman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915530)

But they poked out his eyes with one of those fancy controllers.

ep... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915548)

my bedpost 0p my DELIVER. SOME OF ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be

Two more weeks for Japan (2, Insightful)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915550)

December 2nd can't come too soon. We had massive camping and disappointed pre-orderers at two local gamestores for the PS3 launch (so I'm told -- $600?! No, sorry, not even for White Knight), but the Wii launch is probably going to be smooth as silk. I say this because I walked into a store which wouldn't even take pre-orders for the PS3 and asked if I could pre-order a Wii and Zelda. "Oh, sure, no problem. Do you want us to give you a call on release day to remind you?" Thats like the definition of non-hysteria.

FPFPFPFP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915556)

FP BITCHES! AC IN THE LEAD!

Wii Launch Not Going Very Well (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915572)

First the number of consoles actually shipped to NA appears to be dramatically lower than promised. Nintendo gave out new estimates for NA shipment plans for up to middle of January and they sound about half of what was promised. Only about 2 million units instead of 4. The massive lead in sales people thought Nintendo would have over Sony doesn't look like it will happen with Sony at 400k with the initial shipment and 600k in the process of being air shipped by Christmas. Nintendo appears to be around 800 from estimates so far. Nowhere near the massive installed base advantage they were hoping for.

Second, the Wii appears to be having huge numbers of problems. Not the insane failure rate/dead consoles fiasco Microsoft had with the 360s, but huge numbers of minor to medium problems. Dead/flakey controllers seem to be very common, networking problems, disc read errors, problems updating the Wii software, and a fair number of DOA Wiis.

Third, Wii games are getting slammed in reviews. Even their main system seller game is getting so fairly negative reactions and reviews.

Re:Wii Launch Not Going Very Well (5, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915782)

Third, Wii games are getting slammed in reviews. Even their main system seller game is getting so fairly negative reactions and reviews.

Yeah its only the best reviewed game of the year with an average review score of 97% after 16 reviews (gamerankings.com); if it can maintain that average over 4 more reviews it will only be the second best reviewed game of all time (second only to The Legend of Zelda:OoT).

Second, the Wii appears to be having huge numbers of problems. Not the insane failure rate/dead consoles fiasco Microsoft had with the 360s, but huge numbers of minor to medium problems. Dead/flakey controllers seem to be very common, networking problems, disc read errors, problems updating the Wii software, and a fair number of DOA Wiis.

Link?

First the number of consoles actually shipped to NA appears to be dramatically lower than promised. Nintendo gave out new estimates for NA shipment plans for up to middle of January and they sound about half of what was promised. Only about 2 million units instead of 4. The massive lead in sales people thought Nintendo would have over Sony doesn't look like it will happen with Sony at 400k with the initial shipment and 600k in the process of being air shipped by Christmas. Nintendo appears to be around 800 from estimates so far. Nowhere near the massive installed base advantage they were hoping for.

First off, Link?

Secondly, every store I called on Friday/Saturday (to determine where I needed to go to get my Wii) had between 3 to 8 times as many Wiis as they had PS3s (with a guestimated average of 4 times as many units); the lowest ratio of Wii to PS3 was at the store I went to which had 5 PS3s and 15 Wii. I could see that my city being a little disproportionate, but if the PS3 sold 400,000 systems I expect that Nintendo had (at least) 1.2 Million.

I have however heard the PS3 undersupplied, which would make sense if Nintendo Shipped 1 Million Wii and the PS3 only had 250,000 units shipped.

my launch experience (4, Informative)

focitrixilous P (690813) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915576)

I bought a Wii at launch at 8 am at a local Target. I got there around 1 am, and was 10th in line. The store had said they had 20-30 units earlier that day, but refused to give a full count. We played some frisbee, security yelled at a couple high school kids for shopping cart jousting, Mario Kart DS was played until everyones hands were nearly frozen off (It was around 15 degrees F) and then everyone sat around until 7:30, when they handed out tickets and popcorn and soda (nothing like a cold diet coke after 7 hours in th e cold. They didn't have enough for everyone in the line, but a bunch of people had gotten there around 7 am so they weren't that dissapointed. Bought my unit and a Wiimote + Nunchuck, I'm going to leech Zelda off of one of the 3 people I know that bought it in a couple weeks. I was waiting for more reviews of games, I might actually buy Madden 07 (first madden game in 6 years, finally changed enough to justify it.)

Wii Bowling so far has been the most popular Wii Sport, with Boxing/Golf also being played often. Bowling's Power Shot training mode, where an additional row of pins is added each frame, leading to a final frame of 91 pins, has been played a lot.

First system I've gotten on Opening Day, thus far I think it was worth it.

Re:my launch experience (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916082)

I bought a Wii at launch at 8 am at a local Target. I got there around 1 am, and was 10th in line.
 
I have to ask, what possessed you to wait in line 7 hrs (in the bitter cold no less) for this or any product?

Having stood in line at Best Buy for 16 hours... (1)

jameseyjamesey (949408) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915588)

Having stood in line at Best Buy for 16 hours for the Nintendo Wii, it was quite boring. No fights, no one driving by with BB Guns, no one taunting us. There was a big sense of camaraderie and a fun game of soccer in the parking lot.

Wiilief (4, Insightful)

Puff of Logic (895805) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915610)

I'm just glad to see some positive press coverage of gaming for once. In terms of friendliness, camaraderie, and just plain fun, the Wii launch stood in stark contrast to the PS3 debacle. I commented some time ago in a thread that I'm a fairly hardcore PC gamer but the Wii was enough to make me consider a foray into console gaming. This launch has only solidified that temptation.

Good work, Nintendo

xkcd captures it nicely (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915614)

Console Lines [xkcd.com] .

Stop calling /. editors Wii fanboys (5, Funny)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915628)

You don't know what is a fanboy until you read this:
The first buyer, Isaiah Triforce Johnson, had been waiting outside the store for more than a week. He wore a Nintendo Power Glove, a wearable controller that came out in 1989, while shaking hands with Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime. Johnson said he had legally changed his name to include a reference to Nintendo's "Zelda" series of games.

Re:Stop calling /. editors Wii fanboys (1)

Soiden (1029534) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915988)

Hey, his name is Triforce, doesn't it? He's cool! xD I guess it's not too bad, at least he didn't change his name for 'Mario', lol. I saw a person with a HUGE Link tatoo on his back. That's freak, too.

Wii release lines... (1)

smithbp (1002301) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915678)

I went to two WalMarts just in passing on Saturday afternoon. There were people lined up at 2PM for a midnight release. I figured this was out, as there were already enough people in those lines to suck up the shipments. Called Target, smaller store, to see how many they would be getting...42. SWEET!!! Went to Target at 4:45 AM for the 7:30 AM hand out of tickets only to be told by the almight list holder at the front of the line that they were full, even though there were only 20 or so people in line. His excuse was that there were people who put their name on the list and were elsewhere at the moment. BS, but whatever. Went to KMART and was one of four guys in line. More people showed up, but they only had four. I heard stories in line about the terrible nature of people and moron managers from the night before, but I can say that if you were just a bit persistent, this launch was much easier on consumers than the PS3 launch ever had the chance of being. I didn't really fear that I was going to get robbed at gunpoint for my Wii, especially since they are supposedly going to be restocked shelves by Friday.

Re:Wii release lines... (1)

alanQuatermain (840239) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916204)

I had something similar happen to me at Zellers, having waited since 6am at Best Buy to be 115th in line for 110 consoles. In my case, there were twenty people in line, and we were told they only had nine consoles available, so a bunch of us went off to find somewhere else (although by now it was almost 9am).

Around noon I find out that this store actually had one hundred and six consoles available. Not nine. Of course, they'd sold out inside the first hour of being open-- they didn't even have enough people waiting in line to eat 'em all up, in fact.

Takes the fucking piss, doesn't it? Well, I guess someone somewhere is having a laugh. Wanker.

Oh, and I'm told that Zellers in Canada has one of the highest allocations of Wii units. They're apparently expecting one more shipment before Christmas, and hopefully that will come in before my wife's birthday on December 2nd. Although, having spent the best part of seven hours yesterday going to every store in my area I thought I'd have a chance with (about 25 or 30 in total, I think), then if someone tries to pull a stunt like that to me while I'm queueing for the next shipment -- well, let's just say it'll get more news coverage than launch day, capice?

-Q

Come on! Come on! (1)

theneb (732287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915688)

yesternite before midnite....some where in south park.... *in cartman's voice* "come on! come on!..."

Technical Specs? (4, Interesting)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915736)

Now that the Wii has been released, has anyone found any more technical details (CPU etc.) about it? I know it's not about the graphics, but I'd like to know a bit more about what it's capable of.

Re:Technical Specs? (1)

me.at.work (249034) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916244)

With Nintendo it's not about the graphics and it's not about the specs at all. That's Sony and Microsoft's territory and I don't think Nintendo has ever claimed to challenge that particular turf. Fun, ease of use and games are - to me - what Nintendo stands for.

Different markets... (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915768)

...and different attitudes from what I've read

It seems like Sony is targetting the hard-core gamers with the price tag, game selection and exclusivity of the unit itself. Nintendo seems to be going after the soft, middle part of the market that includes casual gamers, stay at home moms and other people who want to pick up and play for a few minutes a day without investing their life in it.

The difference is... (1, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#16915794)

Ninntendo fans are violent psychos who take potshots at their natural enemies - Sony customers. Sony customers are much more docile and peaceful.

Any word about Cartman ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915892)

getting his hands on the Wii? I hope the poor fella stayed be patient for 2 months and did not end up freezing himself to the future all over again ... those atheists are pretty nasty creatures to deal with.

Wii FTW! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915982)

i got my Wii yesterday and i can tell you without a doubt it's by far the best game console ever produced. i can't imagine why anyone would by a PS3 given the price and the fact that i can play those kinds of games (for the most part) on my PC. Nintendo once again destroys the competition. it should also be noted that the new zelda is being named the best game of all time. and the controllers work far better than i ever expected.

how to get one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16915984)

Come on slashdot... if we want a wii for $250, how do we go about getting one now that we missed the launch lines?

I waited for 10 hours (3, Interesting)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916008)

I waited outside of Best Buy for 10 hours to get my Wii. I've told myself that I'd never stand outside of a stoor waiting to buy anything except food, but I have to admit that I had great fun. Since I just moved into a new town a few months ago, it was a good opportunity to meet some fellow gamers, as well as to build up anticipation for finally getting the system.
Although I waited all night, the line I was in didn't actually fill up until about 6:30 am. At 8 the store handed out vouches to the first 24 people in line, then we all lined up again at 9 (along with quite a lot of people who had no idea that there had been vouchers handed out earlier, and were hoping to get a system).
I got Zelda and Red Steel (although now that I have heard how abysmal the Red Steel seems to be, and since I haven't opened it, I'm considering making an attempt at returning it and getting Monkey Ball instead), and I have to say that so far the system has definitely been worth it.
The only problem I've had so far is that nintendo's servers seem to be having problems, because I keep running into timeout problems when trying to update the console so I can get into Wii Shop and check out the virtual console.

Internet connection issues? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916020)

So who all has actually managed to set up their Revolution to use the internet? Mine found my access point just fine, i gave it the password and the connection test went fine. But after saying that the internet is working it says there's an update it needs to download. It spins its wheel for a minute or three while the progress bar doesn't move at all and then fails out with a 32002 or 32004 error. According to support.nintendo.com this means "The Wii console was unable to receive an update from Nintendo, due to a technical issue with our servers."

So has _anyone_ managed to get theirs working? Is it only the rush of hudreds of thousands of people trying to update at once that's fubared their server or is it just not working at all?

Re:Internet connection issues? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916128)

I've heard of that happening to other people as well. I'd say its the launch rush of everybody trying to update at the same time.

Managed to pick it up (2, Interesting)

MrJynxx (902913) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916022)

I preordered it a month or so back so my Wii (still looks really strange writing that) was all ready to go when I picked it up on Sunday at 10am. Bestbuy, which was next to the store I bought mine from opened at 8am, so I figured hey why not stop by at 8:15 or so just to see if I can grab zelda and the classic controller.. heh, there must of been 200 people there trying to push they're way into the doors! screw that, i'll wait till 10am and grab it with the system.. Went to the store, no problems at all, grabbed it, played all yesterday, etc..

And ya, now my friggin arms hurt! a good workout hurt, but still. This game system may single handledly change the fat kid playing video games generalization to in shape kids. Popped in wii sports when a few friends came over and I must say, we had a great time and had many laughs (heh, boxing is jokes, not perfect but it still gets the heart rate up and kinda makes you look foolish)

I thought this would be a gimmicky system, but so far everything has run perfectly(controller, setup, virtual console, etc).. I'll see how I feel about it in a few months, but so far it's been an awesome experience. Good work nintendo

MrJynxx

My walmart story! (4, Interesting)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916030)

Got to Walmart @ 2:30pm. Was #17 out of 20 in line. My friend Chip was #13. #8-12 was a family (father, mother, 2 sons and a daughter) all in line. They had done a few days in line earlier this week and gotten three PS3's. They were really really nice people. At 8pm walmart handed out 20 vouchers and once we had them a few of us went to Bob Evans for some dinner. Back to Walmart and at 10 they let us inside to get warm. That was nice of Walmart. At 11:45 these two doofy looking guys come up and offer $500 for a VOUCHER. No Wii, just a VOUCHER. The family in front of us took them up on the offer and also sold the doofy guys a PS3 they had for $1800. Got my Wii, headed home. Also, it is amazing.

Its cheap and exciting... (1)

spwolfx (1029734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916038)

Its relativly cheap system and new "remote" is exciting feature. It is probably something my wife would like to try out and find it fun enough. However, for me, one of the 100,000,000 guys that purchased PS2, I need games that I like to play. I need my PES (real football). I cant imagine waving around an remote to play PES. Not to mention that graphics will look like PS2, which looks pretty bad on my HD screen. So that leaves me with xbox or ps3. Xbox has the lead and has the games, but for me, difference is huge, even if price is THE same. - Blueray support from out of the box (and why is it cooler): 1. HDMI connection (lack of which will make xbox unusable for HD movies in the future) 2. Support for H.264 compression format of Sony HD Camcoders (Both DVD and HD), which normal players cant play right now. And Sony makes around 99% of the HD Camcoders right now, way ahead of everyone else. Format is not proprietary, simply most DVD players dont have it implemented yet. 3. Blueray HD movies - why would you have to replace complete collection of DVD's? Thats what I cant figure out from other people posts. You simply buy or rent (Netflix!!!) Blueray movies and voila! 4. Support for 1080p which is a lot better than 1080i and 720p that xbox plays. Screens are very expensive right now, but in 3-4 years, they will probably be a lot cheaper. And PS3 can play 1080p content without issues (unlike XBOX which might skip frames on 720p) - Free online play - you dont have to pay for online matching service like you do for xbox. - Standard bluetooth - connect ANY mouse or keyboard to your PS3, no need to buy extra expensive stuff just for PS3. - Standard wireless - no brainer. - Support for diffent flash drives and usb drives (not only memory sticks). - Swap HD drives easily - hard drive is built so it can be easily taken out and replaced (plus it is 60GB vs 20GB in XBOX). - Water cooling - a lot cooler than xbox. - Support for LINUX out of the box. PS3 has an option to install additional OS in its menus. Can it be less complicated? - You can play DRM free audio/video over your HDMI connection. How cool is that? Easier and simpler than playing DVD's. - Actual PS2 chip on the motherboard for real support for older games and nothing extra to buy. With Wii, you can buy older games in game packs - but why, when you already have them? Plug and play. This is the most open product that Sony has ever delivered. Err, that anyone has ever delivered. For $600 you get full blown HD entertainment system, that you can easily install Linux on, manage your family multimedia, music, play games, movies, etc, etc. $600 is dirt cheap. And this is why next time this year, PS3 will outsell xbox 360. Due to expensive HD cards, PS3 is cheapest HD option you can buy. And by Feb 2007, HD screen will be in 20% of homes in the USA.

I have no life but... (1)

sulfur_lad (964486) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916044)

...I received two phonecalls yesterday: one from my brother and another from another buddy. The content of both messages was simply "Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!" Awesome. :)

Wii Restocking (3, Informative)

DubbaJ (691044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916176)

When I picked up my Wii on Sunday from the local EB, the manager mentioned that he was told to expect more units in store by Wednesday at the latest. If that turns out to be the case, that's a far cry from what we're hearing about PS3 restocks.

WII/PS3 3:1 ratio available (3, Interesting)

MooseTick (895855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16916198)

FWIW: I got a WII at a GameStop. They got 15. They had 6 PS3s on release day. I went by a Target yesterday and they had about the same story. They recieved 94 WIIs and said they got 32 PS3s.

Back in the early 90's I worked at an Electronics Boutique with the NES, Sega Master System, SNES, TurboGrafx and Sega Genesis were hot. Sales often came down to availability. If a kid wanted a SNES for Xmas but we only had Genesis in stock, the parent usually ended up getting the Genesis. The reverse also happened often. Both systems were in short supply and high demand for several years around the holidays. They were both comperable and had many of the same games. It looks like the WII will get a much larger system base if they can outsupply Sony 3:1 in the near future. I suspect they could even catch up with the 360.

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