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Students Put UCLA Taser Video On YouTube

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the police-buddhism-studies dept.

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dircha writes "As widely reported, an incident in which Iranian-American student Mostafa Tabatabainejad was tasered up to five times by UCLA police on Friday, has been captured by a fellow student using a video enabled cell phone and published to YouTube. From the Daily Bruin: 'At around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, Tabatabainejad, a fourth-year Middle Eastern and North African studies and philosophy student, was asked to leave the library for failing to present his BruinCard during a random check. The 23-year-old student was hit with a Taser five times when he did not leave quickly and cooperatively upon being asked to do so.' In a story which has raised concerns of racial profiling, police brutality and the health risks of taser use, the ubiquity of video cell phone technology has given us a first hand record of an incident which might otherwise have been a he-said, she-said affair. While the publishing of the video to YouTube has given the issue compelling popular exposure beyond the immediate campus community."

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1583 comments

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925694)

fp

Hahh!! (0)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925696)

Now, it's time for the PR machine to get into high gear!

Re:Hahh!! (5, Insightful)

scum-e-bag (211846) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925796)

This is why google bought youtube... they bought it for the power of its media distribution...

old news (0, Redundant)

legallyillegal (889865) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925698)

already a week old, and a week late, and a week after digg

Re:old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925710)

Write a book about it mate.

Re:old news (4, Insightful)

Surt (22457) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926046)

Much like Kuroshin before it, the sign of the end for Digg is when they start begging slashdot's community to come over for fresher news.

Slashdot is a discussion forum. The power here is not timeliness, it's the audience.

I got tazed in the butt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925702)

Five times? Try five hundred times!

Where's the justice?

Re:I got tazed in the butt (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925734)

Justice can be a pain in the ass.

Re:I got tazed in the butt (1)

Kandenshi (832555) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925886)

five hundred times you say? eh, did you pay good money to get that [wikipedia.org] done? I give you "Anonymous Coward" aka The Man Formally Known As Mr. Harold Butts :/

Thanks Ric Romero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925712)

Nice scoop!

- Dave

Ask yourself this... (5, Insightful)

DragonPup (302885) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925716)

...if after watching this video, you see what the LAPD(and by extension, the UCLA PD) are willing to do on camera, and in front of dozens of witnesses, what do they do without people watching?

And am I the only one that upon hearing, Police burtality" and "Caught of tape" are completely unsurprised the LAPD are somehow involved?

Re:Ask yourself this... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925772)

The UCPD is not a part of the LAPD. The UCPD is a separate law enforcement agency with the same powers as CHP officers run by the University of California.

Re:Ask yourself this... (4, Insightful)

Trekologer (86619) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925786)

The officers in this video are either the dumbest cops in the world, to repediately brutalize that young man not only on video but with literally dozens of witnesses. Or they think that because of the uniform they wear, that they are above the law. It doesn't matter which one it is, those animals should be out of a job and in jail. The video did not show everything but there is at least one part where the man is clearly on the floor and is tazed again, sending his body upward in a horiffic spasm.

Re:Ask yourself this... (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925878)

The officers in this video are either the dumbest cops in the world. . .

Let us stipulate for the moment, just for the sake of argument, that the first Tasing was justified.

Their insistence that he get on his feet or they would tase him again is all the proof we need that they were not the brightest bulbs in the pack. The function of a Taser shock is to disable by disrupting nerve and muscle function.

If you could stand up after being Tased they wouldn't be using them in the first place.

KFG

Re:Ask yourself this... (0, Flamebait)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925800)

That's an interesting opinion ... I saw an idiot (possibly an asshole) refusing to leave when he wasn't following known rules and physically resisting and fighting. Someone who was given plenty of notice he was going to be tased yet continued to resist and then getting tased again.

Re:Ask yourself this... (5, Insightful)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925996)

Not standing up isn't physically resisting. Thats like saying a comatose paitent was resisting arrest because it refused they refused to standup. Tasers should be used for somone actually physically resisting which results in threat, if i let my body go limp, i'm not resisting. Resisting actually requires you to actively do something, like trying to prevent the officer from hand cuffing you. A limp body allows the cop to safely handcuff you. Its all comes down to threat. Some going limp isn't a threat and taser should not have applied. So the cops have to work extra and carry the guy. Oh noes.

Taser should never be used to make you do something. It should be used to stop you from doing something. IE struggling with an officer, refusing to lay down on the ground, locking your arms so you can be hand cuffed. Using a taser to force you do something is borderline torture.

Re:Ask yourself this... (5, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926004)

If you listen to the tape, after the first incident he stopped resisting, the cops on the otherhand continued to tazer him because he wouldnt (in their eyes) get up despite police protocol being very clear that it can take 10 - 15 minutes for a suspect to get over being tazered.

The second time was questionable, the third fourth and fifth equals them going after him and attacking him. Add in more than one witness being threatened by the cops for filming and or asking their badge number (which by law every cop in the entire country MUST do regardless of who they are and whatever the officers claim)and its quite clear the officers where untrained in a potential riot situation, or where out for blood after the students started questioning their motives and thought that the easiest way to scare of the gathering crowd of 40-60 people would be to torture the suspect in front of them.

Fortunately for all involved all three officers are likely losing their jobs as well as their chief and the intern chancellor for starters.

Re:Ask yourself this... (2, Insightful)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926008)

That's an interesting opinion ... I saw an idiot (possibly an asshole) refusing to leave when he wasn't following known rules and physically resisting and fighting. Someone who was given plenty of notice he was going to be tased yet continued to resist and then getting tased again.
If I give you plenty of notice that you are going to be shot in the head with my revolver, does the warning justify my use of force? If you don't comply with my command to get up, is my continued shooting into your head justified?

Re:Ask yourself this... (3, Insightful)

milamber3 (173273) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926074)

First, there was no fighting back. Not even the cops said he fought. Everyone has said he went limp when they tried to STOP HIM FROM LEAVING! Please explain the point of tasing someone who is limp on the ground. This is akin to them beating him with a club while on the ground, unless you really believe the taser is meant to be used as a motivation device. Second, even if we accepted your comment, how do explain the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th tasing? Do you justify tasering someone because they can't get up after you already tased them? They ended up dragging him out, if that was an option why did they spend time shocking him? Maybe laziness is an excuse for using a taser now? Lastly, since when does asking a cop for his badge number and telling him to stop hurting someone warrant a threat to be tased as well?

Any explanation you could give for some small part of this atrocity would always leave the rest shown to be completely unnecessary.

Looks like the World Asshat Championships (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925728)

... were held at UCLA this year. I hear it'll be in Denver next year, then Florida State in '08.

Say it's a fake (-1, Troll)

biocute (936687) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925730)

Is there a way to prove that a video is genuine beyond reasonable doubt?

Re:Say it's a fake (1)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925762)

The hundreds of eyewitnesses in the video, and the fact that neither the UCPD or the University denies this incident happened?

Re:Say it's a fake (5, Insightful)

Doomstalk (629173) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925810)

A) You don't need "beyond reasonable doubt" in a civil suit. B) There were a couple dozen witnesses on the scene, most of whom appeared angry enough to testify in court. C) You get clear views of several of the officers' faces. D) The officers' voices can probably be identified.

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see how the officers justify their refusal to give their badge numbers (which was reportedly followed up with a threat to the person who asked). It makes it appear that they knew what they did was an excessive use of force, and were trying to hide their identities. That will look EXTREMELY bad to a judge and/or jury.

Re:Say it's a fake (1)

Oink (33510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926028)

I don't think it would look bad to a judge at all. These officers were in the middle of an altercation. The proper thing would be for them to give their badge numbers once the culprit is handcuffed in a squad car. Once people are screaming at officers they are conceivably a threat. As much as I dislike legitimate police brutality, I think police officers damn well need to have the right to act firstmost in order to protect themselves, especially when some stupid punk kid is refusing to listen to them.

Re:Say it's a fake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925920)

I get the distinct feeling there are a few people, namely those in the video, who are able to verify its authenticity. Why, after all the news on this, do you suspect the video?

Oh, and, do you think that NASA really put a man on the moon?

Re:Say it's a fake (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925932)

See here [wikipedia.org] and here [wikipedia.org] for some inspiration.

Got what he deserved (0, Troll)

gcaseye6677 (694805) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925732)

The kid got what he wanted - attention. Now he's complaining? What exactly did he expect would happen for being such an ass? Now that he's had his 15 minutes of fame, I think we can move on to other more newsworthy things. And I hope this idiot loses his inevitable lawsuit. What does it say about our country when any moron can become rich just by being a jackass?

Re:Got what he deserved (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925784)

Please, explain yourself. How did he want attention? Where are you getting that? The video starts with him after he's been tazered.

How was he being an ass? I bet you wouldn't be to happy after getting tazered. Does he do anything unexpected after being tazered?

Re:Got what he deserved (4, Interesting)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925822)

Say what you want about this kid's motives or lack of discretion, but the thing that struck me while watching this was that nonviolent protest (poorly represented or not) is truly dead in America. The widespread and almost casual use of "non-lethals" in these situations clearly goes beyond their intended purpose. Well...ostensibly intended, anyway.

Re:Got what he deserved (4, Insightful)

raju1kabir (251972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925954)

The widespread and almost casual use of "non-lethals" in these situations clearly goes beyond their intended purpose.

Nonlethals have just become a substitute for good police work.

The number one test of a good officer is how well he (or she) can solve a problem without resorting to the use of force. If he can look someone in the eye, figure out what is going through that person's head, and assert the authority or voice the reasoning necessary to get compliance with a lawful request, he has done his job properly. Resorting to force to compel behavior is already a kind of failure. Of course there are some people out there who are just hell-bent on harming others - that's why the option of force exists - but clearly that's not what Tabatabainejad was about.

And resorting to force to compel behavior when the person in question is not being violent and is causing no harm to anyone, well, that's beyond failure as an officer, that's failure as a human being.

The officers who did this are a far greater threat to safety on the UCLA campus than that student would ever be. I do hope the university administration recognizes this and responds accordingly. If they do not, then we must seriously question the administration's commitment to protecting their students.

Since Im out of mod points... (5, Insightful)

tempest69 (572798) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925852)

Sure the kid got some attention, and may have been a bit of a jerk in the process. I could care less. The problem lies with the fact that with four officers around, and a non-violent suspect of a non-violent offense decided that tazering the guy would be the appropriate measure. One officer could have easily placed the "suspect" under arrest with simple handcuffs without a wrestling match, as the "suspect" was simply going limp. But in their wisdom they decided that getting him to comply via shock was the correct procedure.

Four Officers... one kid come on.. They could have talked this kid into the handcuffs, while he was a jerk he wasnt exactly a threat.

Sorry the police are here to serve and protect, their actions are the actions of thugs who enjoy weilding power. So while I might not be deeply sorry for the kid, I am deeply ashamed of the actions of the law enforcement officials.

Storm

Re:Since Im out of mod points... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925984)

Dead on.

Re:Got what he deserved (3, Informative)

aitikin (909209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925970)

I really shouldn't even bother, but here goes:

First of all, how many people do you know that first of all would go through the trouble of getting tased just to get one belief out there? Second of all, how many people do you know that actually expect to get videoed just because they're shouting their beliefs in the library? Third, how many "morons" do you know that become "rich" because they saying what they felt was true so they were tased by police 5 times? Furthermore, he was tased while on the ground being told if he didn't get up he'd be tased again!

According to an article by Silja J.A. Talvi [inthesetimes.com] , "People who have experienced the effect of a Taser typically liken it to a debilitating, full-body seizure, complete with mental disorientation and loss of control over bodily functions."

So next time you think you're going to be wise and bitch about how people can make so much money off of such an easy thing, try it before you do it!

Sick (4, Insightful)

twifosp (532320) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925738)

This was pretty sick. If you get hit by a tazer it's pretty impossible to stand up for at least a few minutes. That's the entire point of a tazer. They could have just handcuffed him and carried him out. I hope these "officers" go to jail.

Re:Sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925826)

Of course, as casual search of "taser" and YouTube would have turned up numerous videos where people get shocked by a taser and do indeed stand up, not a couple seconds later. In one, a lady is shocked while supported, regaining the ability to stand on her own in 4-5 seconds.

So no, it doesn't make you unable to stand up for a "couple of minutes."

Re:Sick (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925870)

That's simply not true. For one thing, the tasers used were set on "drive stun" mode, which is not the full shock. Furthermore, even people who have been stunned on full power are usually able to stand up quickly. The point of a taser is to cause intense pain that quickly goes away, inducing the victim to cooperate in order to avoid further shocks.

Re:Sick (1)

tsotha (720379) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925930)

Not true. Haven't you ever watched "Cops"? Every once in awhile they taser somebody two or three times and he doesn't go down. In this case they used the taser in a mode which doesn't fire the darts and operates at lower energy - essentially it's a stun wand. Of course, it sounds worse if you say "taser" (with an "s", mind you).

The guy was clearly looking for trouble - is it so surprising he found it? Of course the right thing for the cops to do would be to call for backup and then carry him to jail, but I don't think anyone should get prosecuted or charged for this.

Re:Sick (1)

yobjob (942868) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925998)

Yep, when i'm looking for a fight I head over to my university library without my ID card.

Re:Sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16926044)

Your right that the guy was almost asking for trouble, but like we hear all to often, the cops whent a little bit over. Instead of just tasering the guy once, or forcing him out, they seemed more intrested in causing the guy more pain them was nessesary. At that point, weather or not the guy was asking for it becomes irrelevent, do you really want cops that act like thugs being the ones to "gaurd" you?

Counterexample (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925964)

Using YouTube [youtube.com] to disprove a false assumption based on YouTube...

We have all seen multiple videos where a guy who is tazed rolls around for a moment then gets to his feet - especially teenagers who seem to love to taze themselves for YouTube.

bzzt (2, Funny)

Zashi (992673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925740)

Tagged "bzzzt" for over zealous use of tasers.

Haha, those coppers sure love them tasers. Nothing like zapping a victim with 50 kilovolts of nerve incapacitating love.

Wow (5, Funny)

Macadoshis (893254) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925756)

After watching that video I'm shocked.

/duck

Although.. (1)

Atypic (705448) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925768)

As a foreigner I can only look at this from an outsiders view. The taser system has yet to make it to our shores as far as I know, and seeing this has made me somewhat sceptical. Albeit quite useful in alot of situations, the threshold for using this weapon should be firmly stated. Problem is, even if it is "firmly stated", for instance as "when an officer feels threatend", or something of the like, this is a highly subjective saying, and open to quite alot of interpretation. In this case however, I can hardly see that the officers had any good reason for using it, besides the fact that he really didn't feel like obiding their orders - wich I can hardly blame from the treatment he recieved on forehand. These officers should have found a better way of handling this situation. "Trigger happy" is a term I belive fits well with their character in this situation. Though I would prefer a trigger happy person before a passive bystander in any case. I have never been tased, but it seems to really make the "victims" panic, more than hurt them. Most of the videos I've seen ends up with the tased person crying for some reason, I guess it's a really bad feeling to be completly paralyzed by an electric current through your nerves. At the very least it's effective...

Ancient news (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925774)

Good god. This was dugg ages ago.

Slashdot is starting to smell a little.

Catching the argument... (3, Insightful)

Loopy (41728) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925776)

...between him and the police at the very end where it's "time to go" is supposed to prove what, again? Context, people. Context.

Re:Catching the argument... (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925888)

I will say about this what I said about Rodney King: there is nothing that could have happened before the camera started rolling that could justify what those cops did. I don't care if this guy was Hannibal Lecter; once a suspect is incapacitated, further use of this kind of force is torture, not restraint.

Now there will no doubt be a flood of whining along the lines of, "Oh cops have such a tough job, and they deal with scumbags all day, and you just don't understaaaand!" Whatever. About, oh, fifteen years ago it was my job to render medical care to a group of people who had quite actively been trying to kill me a little while before, and who would have kept trying if they'd had the chance. And I did it, no tasers or billy clubs or attack dogs or waterboarding required. Which is why, whether it's happening halfway around the world at Abu Ghraib or right here at home in America, I have no trouble saying: fuck this shit. The people who do such things to prisoners aren't cops, or soldiers, or any kind of public servant. They're criminals, and because of their abuse of power, should be treated even more harshly than we treat serial killers, pedophiles, and other such scum.

Re:Catching the argument... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16926002)

You're an idiot. The whole point of tazers is that they are the least physically damaging thing a cop can do and still efficiently neutral a potentially violent subject. Would you rather they beat him half to death? Or would you rather the suspect be able to walk out of jail basically unharmed the next day? Next thing you know, when police are using some sort of gel to incapacitate people, that doesn't even HURT them, people are going to claim the suspect is being "brutalized". Shut the fuck up.

Re:Catching the argument... (2, Informative)

MSG (12810) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925966)

It's supposed to prove that the police committed a gross abuse of their power. Tasers aren't equipment for "correcting" the uncoperative, they're intended to incapacitate dangerous persons without the use of deadly force. There was no reason to use a taser on that student.

I'll all for police force...but (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925780)

one has to have some reason when applying force...you can't apply force them expect the person receiving the force to have full motor functionality afterwards. Furthermore, applying force for a non-violent offense without any obvious threat to your own safety is highly unnecessary IMHO. That said...had the guy had a visible gun I say shoot him and go home safe to your family.

Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (5, Insightful)

SRA8 (859587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925788)

I keep hearing people complaining "if he had just listened" or "all he had to do was get up." But seriously, think about it -- should he really have been tased repeatedly or simply arrested?
1. After being shocked repeatedly, could he even have been ABLE to "just" stand up?
2. After being shocked repeatedly, would be have been in a mental state to understand the cops' commands?
3. He was on the floor. An irritating act, but something deserving electrocution?
4. What if someone asks for a warrant, should they also get electrocuted. After all "all he had to do was let them search."

Put simply, this was WRONG. The kid deserves to be arrested, NOT electrocuted. To those of you who say "tasing is non-lethal," well, i dare you to do it to yourself. Post a video on YouTube to prove it.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (-1, Troll)

gcaseye6677 (694805) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925836)

Next time try reading the ENTIRE story. You'll find out why he was shocked repeatedly. If he hadn't been such a jackass in the first place the cops would have never even been involved. You idiots seem to think that cops go around randomly tazoring foreign-looking people.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (1)

SRA8 (859587) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925944)

"You idiots seem to think that cops go around randomly tazoring foreign-looking people" Umm...I would make this statement regardless of who got tased. Which is why I made no reference to ethnicity. Your bringing it up suggests that perhaps it was due to ethnicity, you appear to have subliminally admitted it! Secondly, I didnt realize being a "jackass" was electrocutable. Perhaps the cops should visit a frat then, they will find plenty of potential targets.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (5, Insightful)

quantaman (517394) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926064)

Next time try reading the ENTIRE story. You'll find out why he was shocked repeatedly. If he hadn't been such a jackass in the first place the cops would have never even been involved. You idiots seem to think that cops go around randomly tazoring foreign-looking people.

Maybe he was in the wrong. Maybe he was looking for an excuse to feel persecuted. Maybe he was looking for a fight. But the last thing the police should be looking to do is to give him that fight.

The job of police is to maintain order and diffuse tense situations, force is something that should be used as a last resort and not something to be applied at the earliest opportunity.

p.s. The reaction of the crowd told me that not only did none of them consider him a threat but that the police actions were only serving to increase the risk of violence by driving the crowd of students to physically intervene to stop the police.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (2, Informative)

breadboy21 (856238) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925876)

The term electrocution cannot be used except to refer to death by electric shock. Non-fatal shocking is not electrocution.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925900)

"Electrocuted" means dead.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (2, Interesting)

couchslug (175151) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925924)

Many PDs require that officers authorized to use Tasers submit to a stun. Some even volonteer for a sustained jolt:

http://www.orrville.com/OPD/Training%20Taser.htm [orrville.com]

"i dare you to do it to yourself."

http://www.orrville.com/OPD/Training%20Taser%20Vid eos.htm [orrville.com]

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925942)

After being shocked, Yes [youtube.com] he could well be able to stand - after all, he was more than lucid enough to verbally harrass the officers around him complaining about the patriot act...

Part of the problem is if he refuses to get up, you cannot drag him to arrest him - he must stand so he can be removed. What we cannot see in the video was how much the person may or may not have resisted being pulled to his feet to take him away, he could well have been twisting pretty wildly.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (0, Flamebait)

brett880 (970445) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926014)

I keep hearing people complaining "if he had just listened" or "all he had to do was get up." But seriously, think about it -- should he really have been tased repeatedly or simply arrested?
Yes and yes.

1. After being shocked repeatedly, could he even have been ABLE to "just" stand up?
After each time of being shocked he had plenty of time to comply instead of his fake act.

2. After being shocked repeatedly, would be have been in a mental state to understand the cops' commands?
Yes, do some research on Taser.

3. He was on the floor. An irritating act, but something deserving electrocution?
Yes, he was on the floor by his own choice, becuase of this it's quite suspicious to me why he was behaving like that. I would guess either for political attention (his patriot act comment) or something far worse (terrorist activity ect).

4. What if someone asks for a warrant, should they also get electrocuted. After all "all he had to do was let them search."
No, thats different than suspiciously not leaving a public place or providing ID when asked by an authority.

Put simply, this was WRONG. The kid deserves to be arrested, NOT electrocuted. To those of you who say "tasing is non-lethal," well, i dare you to do it to yourself. Post a video on YouTube to prove it.
While I dont have a video, I have been tased before. Yes it hurt like HELL, but its still SO suspicious why he wouldn't leave. And before you say it...yes you can stand after being tased..once again that can be easily researched. His little rants between being tased sound VERY rehearsed to me.

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (0, Redundant)

ildon (413912) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926070)

You're right, but no one's going to mod you up or listen to you, because the slashdot group think is "cops = bad".

Re:Why He Should Not Have Been Tased (0, Troll)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926088)

He shouldn't have gotten shocked repeatedly, but he could have just stood up. After you get shocked with a taser, you have the ability to get up and walk after a relatively short amount of time (about 15-20 seconds from what I've seen on Cops and Jackass :). That's with the heavy duty tasers that major police departments use. The video doesn't show what type of taser they're using, but it could be one of the medium duty ones (think one step up from the ones used on Tory from Mythbusters in the plant experiment). Either way, he would definitely be able to get up and walk before they were able to tase him again.

He would also be in the proper mental state to understand what they're talking about. Other than being really pissed off, that is. Your mind recovers from the shock far faster than your muscle would. He'd be fully cognizant around the time he stopped screaming. Anyone who has gotten a decent shock before would agree with this. I got shocked by an industrial laser with a short in the metal casing and knew what was going on a second later, while my arm hurt like hell for a little while longer.

All he needed to do was show his ID or leave the building when asked and this would have been avoided. He's an idiot for not doing one or the other. On the other hand, the cops are idiots for not just handcuffing him and carrying him out. It's a lot more work when someone is uncooperative, but it's the right thing to do. If he had struggled while they handcuffed him and carried him, then they would have had the right to tase him.

Two sides to every story (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925790)

first hand account [tuckermax.com]
Yes, I was indeed at Powell Library at approximately 11:30 on Tuesday night, and yes I did see the entire event as it went down.

Let me start off by saying that the guy DEFINITELY was asking to get his ass kicked. He was being extremely rude with the campus patrol guys (who are college students...this was before the real UCPD got called in). He was not complying with their requests to leave the premises, and he was definitely itching for a fight. I actually know the guy and a few of his friends, and I can tell you that he's the kind of guy that loves to make trouble.

Just as a little backstory, one of the quotes the guy has on his facebook (which he now has taken down) was "I like to find the most difficult solutions to the simplest of problems".

He definitely taunted the UCPD into behaving the way they did with him.

Re:Two sides to every story (2, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925872)

I like to find the most difficult solutions to the simplest of problems.

This might've been taken out of context from the web page, but I actually agree with this since the most difficult solution provides the most opportunity to learn something new for the most simplest problem. Too often too many college students take the easiest way out instead of busting their ass to find alternative solutions. Sometimes that hurts.

Re:Two sides to every story (1, Insightful)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925894)

When I first watched the video (over a week ago, when the rest of the aggregator sites caught it), listening to the guy I couldn't fathom how it wasn't his fault. The entire video is him asking to be tazed more. No doubt, there was probably no need to repeatedly shock him, but the first one seems pretty merited. The real problem here is that everyone assumes it's a "police brutality" thing, including many onlookers, because they felt/feel justified in making judgments without enough information.

Re:Two sides to every story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925992)

This is why we have a professionalized police force and not a bunch of yahoos with sticks keeping the peace. The whole point of being a cop is that dealing with difficult people without resorting to brutality is your job.

It's clear this person has issues with authority generally and probably with the "random ID check" policy in particular. However, that doesn't in any way justify the police response, and I'm pretty sure that this use of tazers doesn't conform to proper LAPD procedure.

The line of reasoning that says this was deserved is quite deeply flawed, IMHO, for the same reasons it's wrong to suggest a woman deserves to be sexually assaulted for dressing provocatively.

Re:Two sides to every story (1)

umbra_dweller (797279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926068)

Okay, so even if the first one was justified, how do you explain the following jolts? There were multiple officers there, why not just grab him and haul him away?

Re:Two sides to every story (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925940)

It is a cop's job to deal professionally (which includes not using excessive force) with people who are causing trouble. If they can't do it without going apeshit on the guy, they shouldn't be cops.

A civilian who reacted like this to somebody taunting him, arguing with him, whatever, would be headed to prison for aggravated assault. Cops, because of their position of power, should face even harsher penalties for such behavior.

Re:Two sides to every story (1)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926042)

Yes, the kid was acting like an idiot - but what kind of threat could possibly justify what the policeman did? Even verbally abusing the cops (and what was on video was not verbal abuse) would have only justified at most one tazering. After the initial incident, the kid was simply being dead weight - that's not an excuse to abuse him further. They could easily have picked the kid up (which, I believe, they did anyway in the end), take the kid down to headquarters and be done with it.

The reason they are searching the library is for the security of the students. It was clear there was no threat; the kid was just being a jerk. Sure that's asking for it, but it serious scares me when a cop loses his head over a college kid throwing a tantrum.

We trust the cops to keep a level head when they are doing their duty - picking a fight with a punk kid is simply below the standards that we should hold policemen to.

Re:Two sides to every story (5, Insightful)

_iris (92554) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926060)

That matters not, my friend. Police are trained, for good reason, to detain someone with the least force necessary. Anything beyond is police brutality. Part of being a police officer is being able to withstand taunting (and much worse) without losing your composure and being able to follow the official protocols for detaining someone. I could not be a police officer. If I was a police officer and I had to witness some of the things they have to, I would probably punish the suspects outside the system, to put it gently. Police are professionals precisely because we need enforcers who can deal with precisely these situations without brutalizing anyone, even if the suspect wants to be brutalized.

Try seeing it from the POV of the victim. (1)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926062)

"He definitely taunted the UCPD into behaving the way they did with him."

O RLY?

Was Jeffrey Miller taunting Ohio National Guardsman into shooting him in the mouth [wikipedia.org] ?

Excessive force seems to be a popular thing with police in the United States. If this person was causing a problem, how hard would it have been to cuff this person? Have you ever been tased? Have you been tased twice? Have you been tased 5 fucking times in 5 minutes? The only thing worse is how no one seemed to care beyond the person smart enough to record it. I'd think you'd lose bowel control by the 5th time, but I've never been tasered, so I can't say.

I know what pepper spray feels like (one of the many non-lethal crown control devices), and it's not pleasant. Do you? Would you be so quick to spray someone who was merely not co-operating, or would you try to reserve that for people who posed a threat? Unless this guy was trying to fight the cops, I don't see how this was justified. Acting like a child doesn't mean you should use this level of force.

Panopticon becomes reality (4, Insightful)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925806)

Nice to see that the introduction of street corner cameras is being matched by our ability to watch them.

Stroke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925848)

Screaming 'cause he was caught on the vinegar stroke.

As always, two sides to EVERY story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925850)

I was approached by a homeless woman while waiting outside my office biulding. She was screaming obsenities at me, saying she was sick of my beating her and she even made a fist and was starting to cocking back pretend like she was going to punch me. All the while I was typing away on my Blackberry avoiding eye contact and saying nothing. Imagine if she would have reached for my wallet or actually punched my, of course I would not hit her back unless she actually tried hitting my repeated times but if caught the end of that, it would look like some dude from that law firm was beating some homeless lady.

Video is very convincing but what may or may not be on video is just as convincing. I can show you a video I have of a man punching a woman in the face and running from her but that video does not show her stealing his wallet and threatening him as he tried to grab it back from her.

I am not trying to discount any police violence but just because you saw a video in the past that showed excessive force or discrimination in no way implies the next one you see is excessive force or discrimination related as well. Another note, just because the potential perp is not the same race as the police officer does not mean discrimination. Sounds convienent to claim though and it does grab headlines. Bottom line, the video is eye opening but no where near inclusive. There are two sides to EVERY story.

Re:As always, two sides to EVERY story (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926072)

There's no reason they had to keep shocking him when he wouldn't stand up. The taser isn't a magic want for cripes sake! You can't wave it at someone and expect them to do something - that falls under the category of torture. -threatening severe pain/violence to get a subdued arrestee to comply with demands. It may be fashionable in the USA right now to threaten detainees with torture, but that's not how democratic country's police forces are supposed to work.

Your point about there being 2 sides, may apply to the initiation of the arrest, but not in the middle where they acted with extreme brutality.

Bystanders (2, Interesting)

lspd (566786) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925864)

What's up with all the sheeple standing around watching? It's shameful that such a large crowd was too timid to stop the police from doing something so obviously wrong. What exactly would it take to get the crowd to intervene?

To be expected. (3, Insightful)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925982)

And this surprises you ... why?

I've seen cops and bar bouncers smack around people on various occasions, some of them deserving, some of them probably not, and in each case there were people standing around and watching. I've never seen anyone who wasn't directly connected in some way to the person getting the beating involve themselves unnecessarily.

Most people will happily stand back and watch Bad Things Happening To Other People Who Probably Deserve It Somehow. It's probably humanity's oldest form of entertainment.

To most of the people in that library, the whole thing was just like watching COPS, but in the ultra-ultra high definition sometimes known as Reality(TM).

Occam's Bystanders (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926006)

What's up with all the sheeple standing around watching? It's shameful that such a large crowd was too timid to stop the police from doing something so obviously wrong.

From first hand accounts posted above, it would seem very possible the police were not in fact doing anything wrong and the guy they were tazering was acting in a way to get himself tazered. It sure seemed that way to me midway in the video.

The simplist answer would then be true - the bystanders did nothing because nothing needed doing.

Re:Bystanders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16926022)

Yeah, great idea. What would you have them do? Inciting the whole crowd to attack the police will just get people shot instead of tased. And put away for a long time.

Re:Bystanders (2, Informative)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926052)

They did try, didn't you hear them saying "officer, I want your name and badge number". There were claims I read that students asking for that were threatened with arrest. If they'd rushed the police, there could have been deaths - the crowd handled it as best they could, short of calling for backup themselves, or chanting something to get the police to feel intimidated and back off temporarily.

In New Zealand... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925866)

police are experimenting with using tasers at present.

Exert from the police press release:
Taser Trial Update #3 - 17 October 2006
New Zealand Police National News Release 9:00am 18 October
2006

Sunday 1 October - at 3.30 am police were called to a
sixteen floor apartment building in central Auckland
where a male, in breach of a protection order, had
assaulted his wife and was threatening to throw her off
the balcony. A police officer encountered the male, with
two other family members in the basement car park with no
means to exit the area because of a security system.

The offender became aggressive and the others obstructive.
The officer became concerned for his safety and laser
painted the aggressor. The officer continued to
communicate with the offender for several minutes before
having to resort to discharging the taser and using OC
spray. Eventually the offender was contained with
assistance from one of the family members present. There
were no injuries.

From the New Zealand Herald newspaper report:

An Auckland policeman attending a domestic dispute in
Auckland accidentally blasted himself and a teenager with
a Taser, before pepper-spraying an innocent woman.

The constable was attending the incident at a central
Auckland home when he shocked himself, the 16-year-old
and then later pepper-sprayed the 21-year-old woman, The
New Zealand Herald reported today.

The constable was reloading his weapon when he
accidentally blasted himself with the Taser's 50,000
volts while trying to stun a man at the centre of the
domestic incident on October 1.

One shot accidentally struck the man's teenage son.

After five attempts to hit the man, the officer eventually
used pepper spray but hit the man's 21-year-old daughter
- an unintended target.

The man eventually gave himself up.

surveillance society (2, Interesting)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925868)

The words "surveillance society" scare a lot of people, but I would actually love to live in a surveillance society that worked the way this event worked out: the surveillance is carried out by individuals, in a public place, voluntarily, and all they're doing is recording something that they saw with their own eyeballs anyway.

Similarly, I would love to see photo red light reimplemented so that if other drivers saw you run a red light, they could slap a button on their dashboards, and the video would be posted on you-tube. Hell, we wouldn't even need a DMV anymore. Insurance companies would just hire people to watch traffic videos, and log patterns of stupid behavior by certain individuals. The insurance companies would then refuse to offer insurance to those people.

I'm a teacher, and over the past 10 years of teaching, I've had the following experiences: (1) a student gets upset and disrupts my class for 10 minutes (10 minutes is a long time); (2) a homophobic student harasses a gay student while I'm out of the room; (3) a student attacks me in the hall, throws me in some bushes, and threatens to kill me. In all three cases, I would have loved to have the whole thing recorded on you-tube, because significant disagreements arose later about what really happened. In incident #2, in fact, a room full of students were unable to identify the harasser, and it turned out that it was more of a two-way thing than the initial witnesses (the gay student's friends) had claimed. A room full of witnesses is nice, but a video is a lot nicer.

The good or bad effects of this kind of technology depend a lot on who uses the technology. It's like guns. Guns in the hands of Nazis stormtroopers: bad. Guns in the hands of individuals: good.

Health Risks (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925880)

Okay, I don't know exactly what happened or why it happened. Honestly I'm not gonna waste time on that, my question is however, what are the health risks associated with tazer use compared to batons, knives, pepper spray, mace, guns, and good ol'e fashion force.

I have never been shot, stabbed or maced. I have however been beaten with a cylindrical object and pepper sprayed(By accident). So I can give an opinion on those 2. All I know is that my eyes and nose were on fire and I wanted to die at that point. Of course i got an aftershock when I washed my hair in the shower... oh god.....

What makes a tazer safer than the others, what makes it more dangerous. I mean i can guarantee its better to be tazered than to be shot. Honestly i just want to know what yall think/know (Since they are the same thing here).

Why didn't anyone help? (3, Insightful)

Slipgrid (938571) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925904)

There was 60+ students standing around. If you ever see something like this happening, and you don't help, then you are just as bad as the police were in this case.

Re:Why didn't anyone help? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926040)

they where threatened as well. the police surounded the suspect and held tazers and mace around them aimed at students attempting to help.

over 25 students reported being threatened with force or jail time for just asking for the officers badges, which is illegal.

Obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925912)

Does this come as a shock to anyone?

FBI investigating (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925914)

There was a post [slashdot.org] before on here about the FBI investigating the LAPD for brutality. You would think that would make them calm down a little?

abuse of power? I don't agree. (2, Interesting)

Essequemodeia (1030028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925918)

A UCLA student and a member of the crowd that witnessed this event posted his reaction on a board that I moderate, www.blogwars.com [blogwars.com] . Forgive the reference, but the tally of the first-handers who witnessed this event points toward the victim being a gigantic jackass, refusing to show his ID and not cooperating with campus police. When I was in college being asked for my student ID was never a protestable offense. In order to get into my dorm, enter the student recreation center, the campus gym, a football or basketball game, etc... we had to pony up our student IDs. If the police have to deal with an angry, shouting person who won't identify themself, show ID, or cooperate... what are they left to do?

Racism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925950)

I'm sick of the racist card being played. I will not sit by and take shit from some arab just because i'm white. I'm not going to be made to feel bad about my race. Fuck them straight up. Everytime that fucking racism card is played it only helps to justify more racism. Without proof of a racial motive the word racism should be left completely off this story. It's just stirring up shit and trying to gain sympathy for the muslim fucks of this country. Fuck that.

A taser (1)

Tama00 (967104) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925960)

The definition of a taser:
Delivers a high-voltage, low-amperage charge that mimics the body's electrical signals, temporarily paralyzing the target from a range of 15-20 feet.

Notice the "temporarily paraliyzing". Im starting to think America doesnt train its police enough, to realise that a taser simply is not used as a means of getting someone to do something. Insted its ment to be used to defend yourself from a target that will cause harm to you, thus paralyzing them for your own safty.There were 5 policemen and one student, i really dont think any of those police were in danger.

So if you say, well why didnt he get up, 'well he couldnt get up because it paraliyzed him'.. Infact, there is a law against using taser for that very reason shown there.

If you say, 'well what if he had a gun, or what if he was selling drugs, then maybe a taser would of been approiate'.. Well what about 'innocent before proven guilty'? They could of checked him for that but they chose to stun him anyways.

And the most rudest reply, 'he deserved what he got'. These people obviously dont understand how powerful a laser is, and i dont blame them cause there mostly dumb americans with no clue about anything. But stunning someone five times to get up is abuse. they could of easily let him walk out, or at worst tackled him, hand cuffed him and escorted him outside.

but then again your right, he did deserved what he got, and that will be a big fat cheque.

Fight Back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925962)

In many other nations (I am a USA expat) if the police step out of line like this the community responds to police actions according to Newtons third law of motion they fight back in force. Don't expect the police to effectively police themselves ANYWHERE. There will always be the hard core storm trooper units but for the most part it causes the normal cop to be less confrontational. When thought crimes (drugs, speech, religion, political revenge, library card patrol....) become the focus of the police revolt is the only answer. Sadly these college kids are willing to stand up talk big (upper class WASP's know they will not be beaten/shocked for talking) but not say push down and zip tie the cops.

That's Gold! (1)

dkmbd (831449) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925974)

Haha this is hilarious. The guy is an idiot. He just kept asking for more. bzzzzt!

Noticed something about this (1)

moochfish (822730) | more than 7 years ago | (#16925978)

I've been following this story since I'm a bruin, and I've noticed that the media has typically ignored a pretty critical factor in why he may have gotten tasered. In numerous reports, such as in the LA Times [latimes.com] , it was mentioned that he tried to instigate others to join him, and even used the term "martyr":

UCLA Police Chief Karl Ross said the officers decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad after he went limp while they were escorting him out and urged other library patrons to join his resistance.

Mavrick Goodrich, a chemical engineering major who observed the incident, said Tabatabainejad shouted, "Am I the only martyr?"


Does this have any bearing on the decision to try to subdue him using force?

As a side note, it has also been largely unmentioned that the police used the most mild form of tasering, despite this man's loud screaming and profuse cursing:

The officers used the device in stun mode which affects only the part of the body being touched


Lastly, IANAL so I wanted to ask how the law works here... If a police officer grabs you, and you physically shake him off as this man did, are the police in the wrong for grabbing you in the first place? I remember reading somewhere that if you physically resist an officer, it can open a whole lot of nasty doors... Someone please let me know.

Asking for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16925994)

Look at this from the perpective of the UCPD officers: a person was refusing to produce ID and acting in a way that led the UCPD to be called in. When they got there, they found this kid being irrational and confrontational. He refused to obey their orders, angrily yelled at them to not touch him, and went limp on the ground when they tried to escort him out. The officers at this point had to consider the possibility that he was in some way armed with a concealed weapon, or would go for their guns/tazers if they tried to wrestle with him. They decided that the safest course of action was to hit him with a tazer on drive stun mode to get him to comply. This was a reasonable decision, and after the first shock the kid should gotten up and let the cops lead him out. If he can scream about the Patriot Act and abuse of power he can stand up. The kid was putting on a show and trying to get the crowd riled up; he got what he deserved and I really hope he doesn't cash in with a civil settlement.

the most chilling phrase in the DailyBruin report? (1)

toby (759) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926000)

Yagman said his firm has handled hundreds of cases similar to Tabatabainejad's

If it can happen to this guy - innocent of any wrongdoing but with a most spectacularly justified distrust of the dimwit powertrippers carrying the weapons - then it can happen to anyone.

All respect to the students and others present who challenged this outrageous abuse of authority, as far as they felt able. I can only hope I'd have similar courage in their place.

A victim? (1, Insightful)

HexRei (515117) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926012)

a few points:

a) The student chose to seat himself upon the floor when the officers were trying to escort him out (per his own lawyer's account to an LA Times reporter). Near the beginning of the video you can hear the student asking the officer to take his hand off his shoulder, then the officers asking him please stand up. All before the student starts screaming (which may have been when he was tasered).

b) He was defying a standing policy of requesting proof of ID in the campus library after 11PM. It is undoubtedly in place to prevent late-night attacks, muggings, and rapes. He chose to not leave after being asked for ID multiple times and then asked to leave if he could not show ID. The reasons for this policy are very real, ignoring it could be be dangerous for students in the building late at night. Why protest enforcement of such a policy, on private grounds?

c) From the point where he voluntarily hits the ground, the police are mostly just asking him to get up. This is because they were still ina libarary, with a man who refused to show ID and refused to leave, for a period of time long enough for campus staff to hound him repeatedly before calling campus security, who then called police.

It's hard for me to speculate about whether that was wrong or out of the ordinary, since the one time I got caught in the computer lab without my pass, I just left and came back with it later. But I think he was given plenty of chances and was mostly just spoiling for an argument and bit off more than he could chew.

Stupid is as stupid does (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926020)

I don't like to make decisions on such videos without seeing the whole incident from beginning to end, but since more or less the beginning of time, if authority figures (police or otherwise) are standing over you ordering you to do something, and you lay on the floor yelling that you won't leave and other assorted obscenities and slights on their position or authority, well, that is so blindingly stupid that you are lucky if tased is all you get.

Surely everyone has seen an episode of Bad Boys and what happens when you resist arrest. Whether the authorities should have tased the guy 5 times (or more) is questionable, but the guy that got tased was asking for more of the same by refusing to cooperate with the authorities. These are the same authorities, by the way, that he and other disapproving students will count on any other time to protect them from nasty people. Rules are rules, and if you glaringly flout them, bad things happen sometimes. I think the guy should be grateful that he wasn't drug down stairs feet first, or given the King treatment.

Yes, they could have carried him out, but then again, his mouth was running too much to get any kind of compassion from the cops... that is life most times. Ever seen anyone get unruly in a bar? When that happens, bouncers are about as gentle as these cops were... or can be.

Arguing with cops or resisting arrest is worse for your health than smoking or eating sugar soaked breakfast cereal, let that be a lesson to those that think that 'believing you are right means you will always win'.

Background Story (hopefully accurate) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16926026)

Yes. I am afraid this did happen on my campus. Someone who had a videocamera with them in the computer lab captured the video. The police department is the campus UCLA Police Department (not the LAPD).

Some background:

All students are required to present ID at night in the libraries. Unlike Berkeley we don't require a Student ID to get into the library during the day. In response to this incident this policy probably will change.

At night, random checks occur where students are asked to show their Student ID. This is a safety mesure, as on occasion we get people who are not UCLA students in our library late at night. Everyone is asked to show ID.

The student in the video had his ID, but decided not to show it to the CSO (community service officer -- a pseudo police officer) who was checking identification that night. I believe as a result he was asked to leave the library. When he didn't comply with this request, the CSO contacted the UCPD (actual police officers) for assistance in removing the student.

The video shown starts after the UCPD arrived on the scene and started to remove the student (several minutes after he was initially asked to leave the building).

Of course if any of this is wrong, please correct me.

We have been having protests, and other such distractions from programming on campus as a result of this incident. See http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39025 [dailybruin.com] for details of one of the protests.

Stupid d***head got what deserved (1)

Bacila (860302) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926034)

He was asked nicely to leave several times
He didn't comply
He got a taste of taser because of this and because the partialy paralyzed person is easier to arrest.

After electrocution your muscle doesn't work for some time (if you want to test -- tput your finger into electrical socket >:D ). IMHO police intentionaly didn't use the full power output as they didn't want to carry him, they wantet him to on on his own foot. But that idiot decided to make a show.

Somehow US became a country where abuse of rights with intention to go to court has became common sense. This can be clear example: asshole was take by force. Now he's complayinig about police brutality and racial opression.

Tazers are lethal weapons (1)

hsmith (818216) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926038)

And they are NOT being treated as such by police. They are "less-lethal," not non-letal.

Police at like they are the "one-all" solution to solving crime, the perp will stop.

sorry, but this is very dangerous and needs to be corrected. this should never have happened to this kid. Cops are getting lazy and lives are being lost.

deserved (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16926056)

OH PLEASE. This puke of a punk got what he deserved. They should have tasared his filthy mouth.

Video shows nothing, starts too late (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16926086)

The problem with that video is that we enter midway through the true story, where he is down and been tazered once already. But why are there four cops around? What exactly was he doing that made them ask him to leave in the first place? It would seem that in order to be asked to leave from a library you would have to have done more than be speaking loudly or bring in a sandwitch.

That combined with how he was screaming about the "patriot act" made me more than a little suspicious that the victim went in with the goal of mixing it up with some law enforcement people, angry at The Man to start.

That video raises more questions than it answers, about both sides of the conflict. Next time, if anyone else is in the same situation can't you stand on a chair please!
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<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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