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PS3 Missed Ship Targets, Loses Exclusives

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the man-these-guys-cannot-catch-a-break dept.

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Sony's having a rough week. After shootings on launch day and a harsh review from the New York Times, Bloomberg is now calling Sony out as having completely missed its shipping targets. The analyst company says there may have been as few as 50% of aimed-for units available, and that the company may only get about 200,000 units to stores by the end of the year (something Sony flatly denies). PS3 fans now also have to deal with the fact that Koei is cross-platforming two previously exclusive titles. Fatal Inertia and Bladestorm are now in development for the 360 as well, marking the latest in a string of titles that have slipped away from Sony. There is some consolation for the company to take away from this week, though. They did better than Microsoft last week in Japan, with around 81,000 PS3s, 19,000 PSPs, and 16,000 PS2s sold to a mere 4,000 Xbox 360s and ... 4 Xboxes.

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173 comments

Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1, Insightful)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955608)

Why don't we get USEFUL numbers. Sony launches a console, Microsoft has a console that's been out for a year. Why do we expect Microsoft's console to sell as many?

In america the amount of consoles Microsoft sell weekly isn't that many (probably 5 digits on a good week, but not much more)

Of course it wouldn't be 1up article if it was biased in some random direction.

Then again Microsoft's numbers are picking up in preperation for Blue Dragon, only a couple monthes ago they were barely breaking 1K units. However now it's much more.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16955682)

Not to mention that the Japanese are very unlikely to buy an imported good that isn't from a Japanese-owned foreign interest anyway. I'm surprised that MS has any sales there at all.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (5, Informative)

Baldrake (776287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955798)

Not to mention that the Japanese are very unlikely to buy an imported good that isn't from a Japanese-owned foreign interest anyway. I'm surprised that MS has any sales there at all.

You mean like the iPod [businessweek.com] ?

Please, this constant repetition that the Japanese are xenophobic when it comes to electronics is terrifically boring, and worse, counter-productive. It's as bad as the auto makers who blame xenophobia for why they aren't able to sell the Chrysler Neon in Japan.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956236)

Amen!

Besides, when there was a special limited edition bundle of the 360 and the new RPG, Blue Dragon, all 100,000 units sold out in one day. Clearly the Japanese are willing to buy a console regardless of who makes it - you just gotta give them a reason (GAMES).

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16955824)

>Why don't we get USEFUL numbers. Sony launches a console, Microsoft has a console that's been out for a year. Why do we expect Microsoft's console to sell as many?
Wait, what about the PS2 number which is a 4:1 ratio with the Xbox/Xbox360's number? The PS2 has been out for how long, 5 years, why is it outselling the xbox360's number with a huge ratio still?

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956546)

See that's a completely valid question (though the other side is, there's more games for it). However acting like this is useful data in showing that the PS3 is better than the 360 is pointless. Bill Gates said it, and I hate to quote him or paraphrase him but he nailed it on the head. "Sony can make 80,000 bricks, and people would buy them."

While the data is completely valid, the conclusions someone might draw from them are not, and when 1up is saying the ps3 is doing better, it's not even technically valid unless you'd take the speed of everyone in a f1 race as the first driver drives over the finish line and then claim "Scott Speed won the race from 20th place. Because he was going 2 miles per hour faster then everyone else". I wouldn't do that, you shouldn't either.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956622)

Why is the PS2 selling at all with the PS3 available? Stupid troll.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957056)

I'm just surprised that anyone still has the old xbox's for sale in Japan. I'd have thought they'd have buried all the leftovers in a landfill somewhere.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1)

Emetophobe (878584) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958270)

>Why don't we get USEFUL numbers. Sony launches a console, Microsoft has a console that's been out for a year. Why do we expect Microsoft's console to sell as many?
Wait, what about the PS2 number which is a 4:1 ratio with the Xbox/Xbox360's number? The PS2 has been out for how long, 5 years, why is it outselling the xbox360's number with a huge ratio still?

That's not really a fair comparison to make. The newer, slim PS2 costs around $130, where as the xbox 360 is $400 or more. Also, a lot of the older PS2 games are $20 or less. If you are a parent with young kids, are you going to spend $200 for a PS2 with 3-5 games, or $400+ for a xbox 360 with no games.

Useful numbers from Japan (2, Informative)

confu2000 (245635) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955860)

http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm [the-magicbox.com]

For 2006 through the end of October, 84,949 360s sold in Japan. 81,639 PS3s sold at launch.

From what I can find, there were 100K 360s sold in Japan in 2005.

So it looks like somewhere around 190K 360s vs 82K PS3s in Japan currently with Microsoft's 1 year head start.

Value Japanese sales in the greater scheme of things as you please.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16955904)

Could be worse. A system that was released almost a year ago (it was a year ago yesterday), and refreshed in a slightly nicer form factor could outsell the entire brand: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/17/japanese-hardwar e-sales-6-november-12-november-new-contender/ [joystiq.com] .. Yes, that's right. the DS Lite outsold all sony gaming products combined.

360 numbers in Japan are lower b/c of Blue Dragon (4, Insightful)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956234)

First of all, I totally agree that the numbers from Japan are useless, in comparing PS3 to 360 (as many sites are reporting). Of course the PS3 is going to do well in it's first week! That said, I did want to point out one thing ...

Then again Microsoft's numbers are picking up in preperation for Blue Dragon, only a couple monthes ago they were barely breaking 1K units. However now it's much more.
Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. I would fully expect 360 sales numbers in Japan to be lower than usual because of Blue Dragon. It makes sense and here's why.

We know that there's surprisingly a lot of interest [1up.com] in the Blue Dragon 360 bundle, set to release in December. It also recently took over the #3 spot on Famitsu's list of most anticipated titles [joystiq.com] . So, if you know there's a bundle coming out in December, why on earth would you buy a 360 now? It's akin to buying a system when you know a price drop is going to happen in a few weeks.

The numbers will be most interesting a week after the game and bundle launches. (The week it actually ships will see an artificial bump of 360 sales, similar to the PS3 one. I fully expect, "wowzers, 360>PS3 lolololezr" articles then as well) Then we can start tracking trends to see if MS will actually have a chance in Japan, or if it's going to be more of the same.

Re:360 numbers in Japan are lower b/c of Blue Drag (1)

Keeper (56691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956422)

The are a fixed number of bundles. Apparently they're all reserved/preordered, so there isn't anything to "wait" for.

Re:360 numbers in Japan are lower b/c of Blue Drag (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956732)

Last I heard, it was the limited edition sets that were all sold-out. If you're telling me that all 100,000 bundles have been reserved, then that's just frickin amazing. And you'd be right, there wouldn't be anything to "wait" for.

Although, I suppose that if Blue Dragon is the only reason why you want a 360, it would make sense to just wait until it launches and pick the system up with the game (even if you can't get the bundle), to save multiple trips to the store. There'd be no worry about limited quantities of the 360, since there's been little demand for the systems.

Re:360 numbers in Japan are lower b/c of Blue Drag (1)

Keeper (56691) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956918)

It could me I misread something, though honestly 100k units isn't a huge amount when you think about it. It is a large number relative to the number of sales they've already had in Japan, but they still sell 2-3 times that amount every month in the US alone.

I suspect Blue Dragon isn't the only reason to purchase a 360 in Japan, though it is probably the game that will push many people over the edge to get one.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (2, Interesting)

Mr. Samuel (950418) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956248)

Why don't we get USEFUL numbers. Sony launches a console, Microsoft has a console that's been out for a year. Why do we expect Microsoft's console to sell as many?

This is an excellent question, and I can only assume the answer is one of two things:

1. For some reason, gaming site users have an insatiable appetite for fuel to the "console war" fire, perhaps with little regard for the accuracy of said fuel.

2. See #1.

Imagine what the world might accomplish if the energy we put into worrying about which console was teh winnar was put into, oh, say, discussing what operating system sucks the mostest.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (4, Funny)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957090)

Fuck you, BSD is better than Nintendo and you know it!

And the PS3 controllers have a way better button layout than an Apple mouse. So much for cupertino's vaunted user friendliness.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (1)

drc003 (738548) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956402)

You fail to mention that it shows PS2 sales. I believe it launched 6 years ago and has sales of 16,000 compared to 4,004 for 360 and Xbox combined. You seem to be as biased as you claim 1up is if you think those numbers were useless. Especially considering they were simply being used following the statement that Sony did better than MS in Japan this week. Obviously they did that on PS2 sales alone. As for me I could care less. With a PC and Nintendo Wii at my disposal I see no use for either of those overpriced boxes at the moment. I'll probably grab one late next year after a price drop and a clearer picture of each consoles spot in the market.

Re:Nice BS numbers from Japan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16959106)

The expression is couldn't care less.

Nothing Stops the DS.... (2, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956666)

Sony launches a console, Microsoft has a console that's been out for a year. Why do we expect Microsoft's console to sell as many?

Granted it bucks the trend, but the DS Lite has been selling over 100,000 units per week in Japan since Nintendo has been able to make over 100,000 systems per week for Japan.

Sony Style Store just had some (4, Informative)

mihalis (28146) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955700)

I was just in the Sony Style store at 550 Madison Avenue (Sony's US headquarters) and they were selling PS3s. There was a line of about 15 people (ok, men) at the checkout, which is highly unusual in my experience (I shop there regularly) and the staff behind the desk had some PS3s sitting on the floor ready to be handed over. The boxes go out in a distinctive black bag with PS3 graphics on it.

Re:Sony Style Store just had some (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955786)

So basically the bags are mobile adverts that scream "mug me!"

Re:Sony Style Store just had some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956612)

So basically the bags are mobile adverts that scream "mug me!"

In New York, every bag says this except for a brown paper one.

Re:Sony Style Store just had some (0, Redundant)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955828)

The boxes go out in a distinctive black bag with PS3 graphics on it.

Does it also say "Steal Me!" in bright graphics, too?

Re:Sony Style Store just had some (4, Funny)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957332)

The boxes go out in a distinctive black bag with PS3 graphics on it.

It could be worse... they could buy it from Target!

Other PS3 problems of note (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16955726)

In addition to the problems mentioned in the article I have been noticing quite a few other issues with the PS3 at this point. Here is a listing of a few of the problems reported already:

- Poor backward compatilibity with PS1 and PS2 games (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6136677.html)

- Numerous high def upscaling issues including PS3 BluRay movies not appearing in high definition properly (http://loot-ninja.com/2006/11/19/ps3-hd-scaling-i ssues-other-annoyances/)

- A very poor online system, as compared to the Xbox Live System (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.htm l)

- No high definition cables ship with the system, you are stuck with a composite cable unless you pay extra (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.htm l)

- Poor graphics on side to side game comparison tests: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/tonyhawksprojec t8/review.html?sid=6161341 [gamespot.com]

- Poor framerates and "tearing" reported on multiple game titles, including Tony Hawk and Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sim/gundamworld/revie w.html)

- Poor buggy development tools which make development very hard as compared to other current gen systems (http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=19611&he d=Atari+Founder+Likes+Xbox360%2C+Disses+PS3&sector =Industries&subsector=EntertainmentAndMedia)

- Multiple launch titles cancelled or delayed due to development issues (http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7200)

With the Xbox 360 already having 7 million units sold worldwide, the Wii approximately 600,000 units, and the PS3 only having sold 200,000 units in North America and 80,000 units in Japan and none in Europe it is hard to see Sony succeeding with the PS3. The PS3 may be the largest disaster yet for Sony this year, with each PS3 losing $306 for Sony (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/16/ps3-l oses-up-to-306-per-unit-xbox-360-profits-76-per-sa le.htm) and the PS3 having the lowest attach rate (0.98) of any launch in the industry, including the original XBox.

So in other words your verdit is... (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955792)

Sony is dying.

Same troll, new generation.

Re:So in other words your verdict is... (5, Funny)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955848)

Don't get ahead of yourself; Netcraft hasn't confirmed it.

Re:So in other words your verdit is... (1)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957958)

It's not a troll when it's true. At least about the gaming division.

Well, unless Sony can figure out where to find a few million spare consoles before Xmas.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (4, Funny)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956052)

So, is this only the second time you've posted this exact comment [slashdot.org] , or have I missed others?

I'd accuse you of karma whoring, but people normally log in for that.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (1)

grommit (97148) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956292)

Yeah, it's funny how the poster is talking about "poor backward compatability" when quite a few users have said that they're minor issues for the most part. Certain titles are unplayable but Sony has said that they're planning on fixing those issues.

Oh, then there's the "numerous" hi-def scaling issues which is really just the same issue (once again, goint to be patched soon) happening to multiple titles.

This guy should be writing for some political or marketing company. He's got the "take a minor issue and blow it out of proportion using clever wording" down to a T.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956496)

I think people should know about the PS3 problems. My post is on-topic and is completely relevant to the discussion at hand. Not everyone has seen my prior post. I'm not interested in Karma Whoring, which is why I didn't log in. I am interested in people knowing the problems that the PS3 is having so that they can make informed decisions about their $600 purchase. Is that wrong?

And no, Sony isn't dying. They have plenty of revenue streams to tap from. I never said that. I said the PS3 has problems and I backed it up with links to relevant articles.

Please refute any of my points and I will listen. Saying "its gonna be fixed soon in a firmware update" is not a refutation. If/when that happens I will re-evaluate the worthiness of the PS3.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (4, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957410)

I am interested in people knowing the problems that the PS3 is having so that they can make informed decisions about their $600 purchase. Is that wrong?

Your selfless concern is touching.

Please refute any of my points and I will listen. Saying "its gonna be fixed soon in a firmware update" is not a refutation.

Not a refutation, but a mitigating point, to be sure. Each new console has issues that will be corrected with firmware updates. This is a good thing.

Ok I'll bite:

Poor backward compatilibity with PS1 and PS2 games

About 98% of previous titles play just fine. Some have sync issues with FMV sequences, which do not affect gameplay (and yes, will be fixed). This is not 'poor compatibility'. Go check Sony's game database if you like, they have a tool for this.

Numerous high def upscaling issues including PS3 BluRay movies not appearing in high definition properly

Again, disingenuous. Some older model HDTVs don't do 720p, and there is an issue with that particular resolution on those particular sets. And fixable. Considering the very small installed base of total HDTVs, this strikes me as a fairly minor problem (although irritating to be sure). And that is the only problem, not 'numerous'.

A very poor online system, as compared to the Xbox Live System

I agree. Both the Wii and PS3 online capabilities are inferior to Microsoft's network.

No high definition cables ship with the system, you are stuck with a composite cable unless you pay extra

While I agree that the high-end SKU bundle should have included these, you surely must agree that most people would end up throwing this cable away. Nintendo doesn't even think you need to buy one from a store. (Or at all, until December.)

Poor graphics on side to side game comparison tests

For that game. Talk about intellectually dishonest, you act like its an exhaustive comparison.

Poor framerates and "tearing" reported on multiple game titles, including Tony Hawk and Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire

Yeah, maybe. Had some slowdown on Gears of War, too. Tony Hawk, being a cross-platform franchise, perhaps had the least amount of time for a PS3 port. Gundam just plain sucks. But point taken.

Poor buggy development tools which make development very hard as compared to other current gen systems

Remind me again, why do we care what Nolan Bushnell thinks of the PS3 dev environment?

Remind me again, why do WE care about the dev environment? How is that warning consumers of the dangers of the PS3?

Multiple launch titles cancelled or delayed due to development issues

Scrapin' the bottom of the barrel, here. Newsflash: software doesn't tend to ship on time. I'm not excusing them but this is hardly anything new.

Tell me, what is it when you remove a title from your previous console's dev roster so you can push it as a launch title for the next console?

With the Xbox 360 already having 7 million units sold worldwide blahblahblah attachrate balhblah (snipped)

The fact is, you are looking at two console launches only a week out. And considering the shortages, the data is skewed anyhow. You cannot project this out in a linear fashion. For instance what do you make of the fact that the PS3 and the DS are in American kids Top 10 Xmas Gifts list [wonderlandblog.com] and the Wii is no where to be found?

What you are doing is called cherry-picking. You can do this to anything and make it look bad. Hey, what's with the Wii? No component cables for sale until December, and even then not in stores? Calibration issues? Oh, the Wiimote has a learning curve? My glass coffee table fucks with the signal? I can't change the aspect ratio universally? I'll re-evaluate when they fix it in firmware, I consider it totally broken now. ... See how ridiculous that is?

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (2, Insightful)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958400)

Your rebuttal reeks of as much optimism as the original poster's did of pessimism.

There are numerous, deep flaws with the PS3 and with Sony's strategy over the last year. No amount of rationalization changes that.

Yes, I'm a Nintendo fan. Despite my poor experience with the PS1, I was also very excited about the PS2 -- until I saw that Sony was lying about it. This time around they're just being even more blatant.

--Jeremy

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (3, Interesting)

bishiraver (707931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958424)

"Remind me again, why do WE care about the dev environment? How is that warning consumers of the dangers of the PS3?"

Because poor dev environments caused the downfall of several historic game consoles. See: Sega Saturn.

While there were other issues with the Saturn, such as dev libraries being difficult to get ahold of... development of Sega Saturn cross platform titles often meant spending several extra months of development on the Saturn compared to, say, the PS1. It was one of the primary reasons the Saturn failed (along with its high initial pricetag, and difficulty getting hands on dev kits in the first place, low number of game releases outside of japan.. all of which except the last sound eerily familiar when looked at in context of the PS3).

Ease of system development is very important in forecasting how well third party developers will attach to a system. That's why it's important for a consumer to take into account on initial release. After a year or two when it becomes obvious which system will have better developer support, it can be safely ignored. But what we're trying to do is forecast which will be the one that will have the most numbers sold.

On a sidenote, one of the reasons the PS2 caught on initially and sold a huge number of units was adding DVD. At least, in Japan. DVD technology hadn't caught on huge there yet, and that coupled with several exclusive RPGs (squeenix, etc) cemented its success in Japan. This to some extent also helped it sell well in the US. It's what they're trying to do again with the Blu-ray, but unfortunately the blu-ray technology doesn't have a firm foothold in one of their markets already. Blu-ray movies are few and far between, compared to a point when DVDs were being sold like hotcakes - at least, for US movies. This, along with the production woes, make them introducing a new format much more risky at this point in time.

And about your point about the 'top ten xmas gifts':

The kids polled are probably very young. While this is one of the targets of the Wii, I can definitely see how the PS3 came on the list, and the DS as well - without the Wii.

You have to look at where the youngin's are getting their information, and keep in fact that they're more impressionable by the media than your typical teenage/adult gamer. They hear 'blazingly fast' and 'not much faster than the gamecube' and they go apeshit. They list the DS because they've seen older kids at school with them, or schoolmates with them, or they've played their friends DS, etc. You have to keep in mind that younger kids see a bunch of people with something and say "Those are cool! Everyone has one! I want one too!" rather than making a truly informed decision based on market level projections, hardware issues/points, games, etc.

As a sidenote, I like how legos are up there on the list ;)

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956288)

I've seen this exact same comment posted on multiple sites in the past couple of days.

Usually someone corrects the lies, like the terrible >97.5% backwards compatibility (compared to the 30% XBox360 backward compatibility).

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956752)

Actually the Xbox 360 number is closer to 73%.

Now mind you Sony actually INCLUDED PS2 hardware in the PS3 to play back PS2 games...

Microsoft does it via software emulation.

Looks to me that Sony has some serious issues if they cannot get PS2 games to work on PS2 hardware...

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (1)

AArmadillo (660847) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956792)

The reason why fans and foes alike are complaining about the backwards compatibility problems is because it has seemed to hit the more popular games. For example, the Final Fantasy series is apparently all broken to one degree or another, with XI not even playable.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (2, Interesting)

Perseid (660451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956336)

- Poor backward compatilibity with PS1 and PS2 games
- Numerous high def upscaling issues including PS3 BluRay movies not appearing in high definition properly

Both of which are most likely fixable through firmware upgrades. Especially the compatibility which is supposed to be fixed in short order.

- Poor graphics on side to side game comparison tests
- Poor framerates and "tearing" reported on multiple game titles, including Tony Hawk and Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire

I say this a lot. Maybe I should make it my sig. Launch titles suck. Always. It's a fact of life. These games are not representative of the system. Play Kileak for the PS1 and Evergrace for the PS2 and get back to me.

- Poor buggy development tools which make development very hard as compared to other current gen systems
- Multiple launch titles cancelled or delayed due to development issues

When the PS2 was in development the developers of Oddworld were working on the third game for the PS2 when they suddenly announced that they were switching to an XBox exclusive because the PS2 was too hard to code for. This of course sent the game media into a frenzy. And look at where we are now.

And finally the losses-per-system articles all use fuzzy numbers. Many of these devices are patented and manufactured by Sony themselves and nobody outside of Sony knows exactly how much it costs Sony to manufacture said device. Microsoft on the other hand mainly assembles their systems based on parts that they have to buy. I'm not saying the 360 costs more to build than the PS3, I am merely saying that you me and whoever iSuppli are don't know how much they really DO cost.

Me, I'm going to play the waiting game to see who comes out on top. But while Sony certainly has screwed this up I don't see any real indicators yet that they are going to lose.

Re: Not all Launch titles suck... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956888)

Launch titles suck. Always. It's a fact of life.

As a general rule 'Most' suck. Fine, but Zelda rocks, [gamerankings.com] and there are other exceptions... [ign.com]

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16957944)

> - Poor backward compatilibity with PS1 and PS2 games
What 3% of all titles created are having troubles??? How is that poor?
Wake up and smell the coffee and see that Sony posted a list of games that don't work and not a list of games that do. Look at the list of games that don't work, most are not hot sellers in the first place. Also if you look at the list MS provides for the xbox360, it is a list of games that work and it is about as long as games that don't work on the PS3.
Also Sony is fixing up problems with backwards compatibility for most of those 200 games. Now is MS doing that, no.

Re:Other PS3 problems of note (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958194)

3rd party launch titles tend to suck, but smart companies have at least one hot title scheduled for release at their hardware launch, that's how they plan to sell the hardware. ex. Virtua Fighter for the Saturn, Soul Caliber for the DC, Super Mario World for the SNES, Super Mario 64 for the N64, Halo for the XBOX.

Of course, there are consoles that fail to do this, and surprisingly enough they ah...fail. ex. Cybermorph for the Jaguar, Sewer Shark for the Sega CD, Doom for the 32X, Coincidence?

I say this a lot. Maybe I should make it my sig. Launch titles suck. Always. It's a fact of life. These games are not representative of the system. Play Kileak for the PS1 and Evergrace for the PS2 and get back to me.

Bet They're feeling Blue (5, Insightful)

gt_mattex (1016103) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955758)

If I'm correct the original PS3 was set to be built without the BluRay.

I'm willing to bet that is the root their delays.

At some point some marketing exec sat down at a global strategy meeting and predicted that to make BluRay work they would need to inject using their most popular gadget.

Won't it suck for that exec if it turns out BluRay killed the PlayStation...or at least crippled it regardless of majority share of the market.

Re:Bet They're feeling Blue (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956914)

Won't it suck for that exec if it turns out BluRay killed the PlayStation...or at least crippled it regardless of majority share of the market.

I think you mean "Wouldn't it be Apropriate if it turns out that Blu-Ray Killed the PlayStation?"

and Yes it would.

Re:Bet They're feeling Blue (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957372)

Without Blu-Ray, PS3 would still cost about $600, only Sony wouldn't loose the rumored $300 a system they sell.

Though, they probably would have more stock, which would have helped their cause.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Bet They're feeling Blue (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958162)

Or they would still lose $300, but sell at a more competitive price point. :)

Re:Bet They're feeling Blue (1)

QuantumLeaper (607189) | more than 7 years ago | (#16959342)

You also for forgot Sony could have built more consoles, without a Blu-Ray drive.

Loosing exclusive titles hurts (3, Interesting)

jfclavette (961511) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955774)

I'm not usually a Sony doomsday prophet, but if something can kill the PS3, it's this. They need their RPGs. They need Koei and Squeenix. If those juggernauts start to slip away, then Sony is in big, big trouble. Most switches will lean in the 360 direction because of comparable specs and input mechanisms. If the exodus reaches some sort of critical mass, where companies don't believe that the PS3 will sell anymore, that whole situation might end very badly for Sony, and very well for MS and, to a lesser extent, Nintendo.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (3, Insightful)

Possibly Malignant (933521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955922)

I agree entirely. Pressure from a few of Sony's powerhouse studios already resulted in the Japanese price drop. Konami & "Squeenix" felt the high price point would result in a smaller installed base, resulting in lower sales for their titles. If studios are concerned that titles like Metal Gear and Final Fantasy won't sell, there could be trouble ahead for Sony.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (4, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956602)

To be fair, it's not a really question of "will" MGS and Final Fantasy sell - they'll sell huge, in that if there were 2 million PS3s owned by gamers, each of those games could still sell a million units. It's more a question of how huge the sales will be. Think of it this way: If Take 2/Rockstar had skipped the Xbox entirely in terms of GTA games, they still would have sold millions of units and made a ton of money. By releasing on the Xbox, they probably got at least a million more sales (virtually every used Xbox I see on Craig's List comes with at least a copy of San Andreas) for the relatively small cost of porting the game.

The problem for Sony is that there seems to be a perception that they need their exclusives due to the Microsoft head start and the high price of their hardware. Because they didn't lock up franchises like GTA or the "hot" new property, Assassin's Creed (for example), Microsoft can make what is probably a cheaper deal to make them multiplatform and gamers won't have those extra incentives to buy the PS3 (don't get me wrong, there are other incentives - I'm only a "hater" in terms of price).

The bottom line is that PS2 ended up with many (many, many) exclusives over time thanks to their ridiculous market share advantage. For at least the next year, if not a couple years, they're not going to have that advantage (certainly not in the US, probably not in Europe, maybe not in Japan depending on the Wii's penetration), so PS3 exclusives will have to come either from the preference of a particular developer (MGS's boss seems to be enamored of Sony, for example) or specific deals (like cheaper licensing fees) between the developer and Sony. Otherwise, it makes more sense to at least go multiplatform based purely on the hardware numbers.

As a gamer, I hate exclusives because they unnecessarily (given the relatively low cost to port games as opposed to starting from scratch) limit my options. They are necessary, though, for companies trying to differentiate themselves from the competition and sell more hardware.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956162)

Koei doesn't make RPGs to my knowledge. It's certainly not what they're known for, at any rate.

Anyway, the two exclusives that Sony lost are both new franchises. If Sony loses Dynasty/Samurai Warriors (or FF13 and DQ9 on the Squenix side), then there will be reason for worry. (Yeah, I know the Warriors games have almost always come out on the XBox, but the PS2 versions generally come out earlier and with expansions.)

Rob

The Squeenix factor (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957236)

I wonder if there's any truth to the hypothesis that whichever console gets Square-Enix's primary franchises first (Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest), wins the market share for that generation. I believe it's always been true (maybe not with the SNES/Genesis, since that race was pretty close I believe).

If so, Sony better be worried and lock up those franchises tightly, and not give Squeenix any wiggle room. We already know they're working on the 360 (with the old Final Fantasy XI and Project Slypheed [square-enix.co.jp] ), so it's not out of the question that some flavor of the next FF or DQ game would be released on the 360. Also, if Blue Dragon really does well, Squeenix may not want Mistwalker Studios to "own" the J-RPG genre for the 360.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956184)

More to the point, third parties porting their games to other platforms, to me, suggests lack of confidence in the PS3 marketplace, and *that* is scary. After all, it's one thing for a dope like me to predict doom for Sony. It's another, entirely, if their third-party developers lose confidence in them.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956376)

I believe Squeenix has made some vague references to them not being Sony/PS3 exclusive this time around. They've confirmed that Final Fantasy XIII will be PS3 exclusive, but they apparently have some plans for some sort of Final Fantasy game, among others, for the 360.

As it stands, Sony has already lost some heavy hitters in the form of Rockstar (GTA) and Konami as both have announced their intention to release formerly PS3 exclusive titles on the 360 simultaneously.

With more and more titles going cross platform, featuring nearly identical graphics, features and gameplay, exclusive titles are going to be more important than ever. I hope Sony realizes that, and stops assuming that people will buy a Playstation based on name alone.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957194)

"With more and more titles going cross platform, featuring nearly identical graphics, features and game play, exclusive titles are going to be more important than ever."
You forgot to add "for Sony".
If all the games are identical and available for the PS3 and the 360 then the 360 will win. It is a lot cheaper then the PS3 after all.
Sony must have games that people are willing to pay a $200 more for the console and possible for go the exclusives on the 360 for.
Then you have to problem of a delayed launch in Europe. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft can get enough RPG developers to develop for the 360. Of course if they get Starcraft and Lineage on the 360 they will wrap up the Korean market.
Does anyone know what the console market in Korea is like? Just wondering where they are in the grand scheme of things.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956386)

This is not a worry. Most of the big-name RPGs are Japanese and with the sales of the 360 in Japan I don't think Sony has much to worry about there.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956646)

I don't remember the original playstation being all so hot (even in japan) when FFVII came out. Square Enix will jump ship as soon as they get a better offer on a system they think could work with their support. With FF13 so far away, it still just reminds me of the N64 days. There was a Final Fantasy scheduled for it, promised as exclusive blah blah blah. I still even have the screenshots of the demo (a bit like how we have the FF13 trailer now), and it looked damn good.

Then we turned around and surprise surprise, FF7 was on a console very few people had ever heard of, that was owned by a company which was less pushy/pissy (in those days, Nintendo was the one making all the demands from the developers, a bit like Sony did during the PS2 age).

Now i'll admit its a bit more confusing, since MS is an american company, as opposed to sony. So would SE go there? Don't know. Maybe the Wii (which would be possible: FF7 looked like garbage compared to the previews of the N64 FF, so its not beyond them to switch to a console thats less graphicaly powerful). Maybe they'll just develop FFs on all consoles (most likely scenario in my opinion, since it already started).

Lots of maybes, since its all so far away... but don't be surprised if FF13 -never- comes out on the PS3, announced or not.

Re:Loosing exclusive titles hurts (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956904)

I've been thinking that the PS3 is looking a lot like the N64. When making the N64 Nintendo was really arrogant and high off of the success of the Super Nintendo. If you look at the interviews leading up to the Gamecube Nintendo was basically saying "Yeah, we really screwed the pooch on the N64 - this system should correct all of our mistakes" and switched to optical disks, put better sound processing in, and made the system easier to develop for. I don't think the PS3 will cause Sony to tank (or cause them to sell/close/separate their games division) or anything like that, but I do think they will be knocked out of their number one spot, like Nintendo was.

Xbox? (4, Funny)

fatty ding dong (1028344) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955808)

They did better than Microsoft last week in Japan, with around 81,000 PS3s, 19,000 PSPs, and 16,000 PS2s sold to a mere 4,000 Xbox 360s and ... 4 Xboxes.

At this stage in the game, who is buying a NEW Xbox? You couldn't find a used one or hit up Ebay? I need to find one of these 4 people. I have a nice 486 with a Turbo button that they might find appealing.

Re:Xbox? (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956550)

At my stage in the game I would actually consider buying an Xbox brand new.

Why?

They're cheap! Well, at least cheaper than the new generation of consoles. To me that's a lot. In addition, the games (most of which I've not played) I could pay 20$ or less for! That's a win-win for me, especially for a brand new console w/warranty.

I have a PS2 I've probably played 20 or 30 games total on. And now, I can find games for 20$ or less that I salivated over about 2 years ago (I just bought GT4 and am hooked on that for now....)

I'm cheap in my gaming nowadays. Being 30+ I don't see dropping the money for a new PS3 as worthwhile as I probably used to.

Re:Xbox? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16959172)

I'm cheap too and just got a PS2 this past spring, but you wouldn't see me buying an XBox at this point. My impression is the PS2 has a lot more momentum than the XBox, and that the PS2 will continue to have new games released whereas the XBox will have few, if any. I suppose you could just buy both, but for me it's not worth the clutter.

Re:Xbox? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956808)

They got them to mod and put thousands of classic games on, of course.

Re:Xbox? (1)

Dobeln (853794) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956818)

I recently (a month or so) bought a spanking new XBOX. Why? Because it's dirt cheap new, and because XBOX Media Center on a chipped XBOX is just one of the best TV media center solutions around - and certainly the cheapest.

Re:Xbox? (2, Interesting)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958418)

At this stage in the game, who is buying a NEW Xbox? You couldn't find a used one or hit up Ebay? I need to find one of these 4 people. I have a nice 486 with a Turbo button that they might find appealing.

Dude, I've seen brand new, unopened consoles from the 80s in Japan. We're talking Famicom and PC Engine (aka NES and TurboGrafx-16). There are several shops in Akihabara that sell both the systems and plenty of games, not all used.

In comparison, an Xbox isn't that surprising of a purchase. It's still not a bad base for making an HTPC once you mod it, and until the 360 is cracked, there's not many better choices on the market at its price range. I can definitely see 4 in the whole of Japan deciding to get one new instead of used.

Re:Xbox? (1)

danlock4 (1026420) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958430)

At this stage in the game, who is buying a NEW Xbox? You couldn't find a used one or hit up Ebay? I need to find one of these 4 people. I have a nice 486 with a Turbo button that they might find appealing.
Is it a NEW 486 with a Turbo button? ;-) Otherwise, your comparison isn't fair...

This lack of shortages does not matter. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16955842)

At the end of all this, its just Sony's to lose. They are the reigning KING of consoles. Anyone can spew the facts of Xbox this or Nintendo that, but at the end Sony controls 65%+ of the console gaming pie.

'High DEMAND' thats key word buzz of the report. what the consumers were thinking about for PS3. Chances are a good portion of people who wanted a PS3 and didn't get one will NOT switch over to another system. Its not like they are thinking 'Well I guess I'll get an Xbox 360 since I can't get a PS3' Thats just wrong consumer mentality to assume.

This lack of shortages does not matter. If Sony pushes out PS3 next year this will be a thing of the past. Sure they may lose market share to Nintendo and MS, but unless there is massive failure on their PS3 I don't see anyone knocking them off their throne too soon.

spoken like a true fanboy! shortage=high demand think about it. and the fact that blue-ray is being used is the main reason why there is shortage there expensive and more diffcult to make. sony even had to push back thier home blue-ray players becuase they had the same problems. and ten decades? a decade is ten years? so 100 years ago sony was making gaming consoles. damn your smart. besides the ps3 is computer that runs linix yeah... it's like that.

Re:This lack of shortages does not matter. (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956340)

At the end of all this, its just Sony's to lose. They are the reigning KING of consoles. Anyone can spew the facts of Xbox this or Nintendo that, but at the end Sony controls 65%+ of the console gaming pie.

Well, if you include handhelds they control less than 50% of the hardware market; when it comes to software Nintendo sells about 4 times as much software as Sony does.

This lack of shortages does not matter. If Sony pushes out PS3 next year this will be a thing of the past. Sure they may lose market share to Nintendo and MS, but unless there is massive failure on their PS3 I don't see anyone knocking them off their throne too soon.

I don't think you understand what time of year this is ...

http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS2 &name2=&type=0 [vgcharts.org]
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=GC& name2=&type=0 [vgcharts.org]
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=XB& name2=&type=0 [vgcharts.org]

You see those amazingly large spikes that represent about half of all system sales that are exactly 12 months apart? Yes, that represents the 4th quarter of every year where (most) major purchases are made. Sony's shortage at this time of year means that they're sacrificing a ton of sales thereby reducing their market share which will reduce the number of exclusives (which will further reduce market share). Add to that the delay in Europe and there is no chance that Sony's sales will look nearly as good as either Nintendo's or Microsoft's.

spoken like a true fanboy! shortage=high demand think about it.

No, Shortage means that Supply Demand!

When you have no shortage and can sell 4 Million units you have high demand, when only 10,000 people want something and you supply 1,000 units you still have a shortage regardless of having a small demand.

Re:This lack of shortages does not matter. (1)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956552)

I disagree entirely. Consumers are willing to change on a dime. As recent history has shown, delays in Windows Vista have driven huge increases in people switching to Mac or Linux.

oh wait...

Re:This lack of shortages does not matter. (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957032)

, delays in Windows Vista have driven huge increases in people switching to Mac or Linux.

Worst analogy ever.

Re:This lack of shortages does not matter. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16958672)

*Whoosh* [wikipedia.org]

Bad analogy time (-1, Redundant)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955864)

My favorite analogy for Sony selling out PS3s in japan follows:

Say you're 8 years old again and you decide you want to make some money. You talk your parents into purchasing you some lemonade mix. You get home from school around 4:00PM and make 16 full ounces of lemonade. You then take your homemade lemonade stand and put it in the driveway. Your mother arrives at 5:15 and purchases an 8 ounce glass for the $0.50 that seems reasonable. Your father then purchases your last remaing 8 ounces for $0.50 at 5:20. Of course, your parents purchase it not only because they like lemonade, but they also have a certain sympathy for your plans.

There ya go folks. Record amount of sales. We even SOLD OUT of all available resources. We couldn't make it fast enough. Wow. I can't believe it.

Re:Bad analogy time (1)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956450)

That's a terrible analogy. Perhaps you'd like to come up with a bad car an logy next.

"You see it's like this: If Honda designed a car with seven engines..."

Re:Bad analogy time (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956806)

"You see it's like this: If Honda designed a car with seven engines..."

Damn, I might just have to buy a Honda!

Re:Bad analogy time (1)

toddhunter (659837) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958000)

That is one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is the PS3 almost sold more units in japan a week than the xbox360 has sold in total. I don't think Sony is too worried at this point

Oh, good (2, Funny)

dryriver (1010635) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955868)

"PS3 Missed Ship Targets" the convoy must have made it safely across the channel then.

NY Times.. yea right (1)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955902)

Who the heck cares what the NY Times says. If your going to the Times to get a console review then there is no hope for you.

Re:NY Times.. yea right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956006)

Yea its pointless to argue the pS3 and the 360. 360 has been out for a over a year so of course their winning the race. But they will lose it eventually again to Sony because Sony its self focuses on entertainment. So they will always be ahead in that area. Microsoft is just actually getting a taste of the gaming industry. I mean lets be real Sony been leading for what 10 decades now. Microsoft has some learning to do. Sony are the vets while Microsoft are the rooks. So deal with it. Someone at school brought up a good point about the shortage of systems from Sony. Just something to think about.

Ok he was saying how the shortage of systems was a test to see how hackers can manipulate the PS3 system. I mean we are talking about some powerfull **** under the hood of the PS3 that has dedicated hackers mouths watering. Can you imagine how far hackers can take the PS3 when they figure it out. And they will figure it out. It is just a matter of time. Look at what happened when Sony rushed the PSP. Hackers figured out the PSP system than later on down the road they were selling upgraded PSP's. Think about it. These system we have can do so much, but we dont even know about it and you think Sony is gonna tell us. The PS3 is one powerful machine and these computer geniuses know it as well as Sony. I mean pay attention to the new slogan "PLAY BEYOND". Use ur imagination, that play beyond **** means more than just playing the PS3. I think its a way of saying this PS3 can do more than what we are telling you. Every system can be cracked. Some just take longer than others. For Sony its just a matter of time. So Sony says ok lets throw these test systems out their and see the results after a few months. So what the consumers are upset we know we are not going to lose our customers. Companies pay professional hackers just to see if they can hack into their system. You learn that in "System analysis and Design". Thats why I said in my last post it may be strategy on Sony's behalf. Sonys know what they are doing. These people are to successful to not know how to do business. So all the talk about PS3 this and PS3 that is small talk. Save it for another post. Until next post Peace

Re:NY Times.. yea right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956160)

Is it possible to mod a comment with a score of 0 overrated?

Re:NY Times.. yea right (1)

BoberFett (127537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956164)

In English?

Re:NY Times.. yea right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956316)

Wow, and people say the American public school system is failing our children. Just...wow.

Re:NY Times.. yea right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16956710)

Were this a troll, it would be sheer beauty. As it is, I'm saving it - for while it may not be a troll today, tomorrow...

muahahahaha!

Re:NY Times.. yea right (1)

heauxmeaux (869966) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956794)

Worst. Post. Ever.

Re:NY Times.. yea right (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956870)

Sony been leading for what 10 decades now

That would be Nintendo [nintendo.com] . Otherwise ... yeah, worst post ever.

Sony loses executives??? (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955908)

PS3 Missed Ship Targets, Loses Executives

Am I hte only one that read it that way the first time.

Re:Sony loses executives??? (1)

Daemonstar (84116) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955998)

Lol, I read it that way, too, on the main page (not to mention my boss walked in at the same time). :)

MicroWho? (1)

donut1005 (982510) | more than 7 years ago | (#16955930)

They did better than Microsoft last week in Japan
that is never news

Re:MicroWho? (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956878)

That's a given, but I'm wondering how the 360 did in North America. Also, it will be very interesting to see the sale figures for next week given the fact that the PS3 and Wii (I got mine at launch Wiii!) are in short supply.

Well (2, Interesting)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956378)

A small number maybe, but Sony are also undoubtedly losing out on the import markets. After they recently shut down Lik-Sang.com and got importing PS3's to the UK and a number of other countries banned by law they will have surely shut out a sector of the market of those who are the most hardcore gamers and cannot wait for their consoles (with the European and Australasia launch coming in March 2007 due to lack of Blu-Ray components). It's a shame they had to go to these lengths, which would be understandable if they had have had a global launch date, but leaving some countries without the console for a number of months isn't the best idea, and by blocking imports to those countries they are only loosing more sales and aggravating consumers.

I have a feeling that Sony will need to start giving incentives or at least making it a desirable environment for developers in order to create some games that will become a MUST for the console buyers (like Halo for Xbox, Gears of War/Halo 3 for Xbox360, Mario for N64 etc) if they want to really compete with the low priced Wii and the 360 which is flaunting it's powerful internet features now.

Funny thing... (2, Interesting)

dlc3007 (570880) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956464)

The interesting thing is that if all the numbers are true (or even close), that means that over 10% of all PS3s purchased were resold on eBay -- maybe higher. Don't know why, but that's funny to me.

Re:Funny thing... (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#16956518)

I remember reading in a very non-scientific report (which probably didn't mean much, but this is slashdot, who cares) something as high as 25%. Though it almost make enough sense for me to beleive it.

In any case, I doubt game developers will cry over it. They gave Nintendo the finger a decade ago because Nintendo was trying to control them. Sony during the PS2 days did the same, so they're probably all -praying- for Sony to fail so they can jump ship for the next console maker who'll give them everything they want...

Re:Funny thing... (1)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957900)

I heard a completely unsubstantiated number of 100,000 PS3s sold on eBay. If so, that's more like 50%.. Not surprising really, considering lineup interviews with prospective buyers.

Sony's Reaction (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957044)

Sony Computer Entertainment America couldn't be more pleased with the response we have seen from consumers since the launch of PlayStation 3 on Friday," said corporate communications boss David Karraker. "This truly demonstrates the power of the PlayStation brand and further validates our belief that consumers see real value in an entertainment system that will define the next decade of digital entertainment.

Translation: We love it when people are shooting each other for an overpriced piece of hype. It truly demonstrates the power of PR and short supplies.

Re:Sony's Reaction (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957370)

One thing a shortage can do is enable a company to be delusional about the demand for the product that they're selling. I'm going to use cars as my example ...

Suppose that this year GM produced a brand new supercharged luxury compact sedan which they sold for $50,000 that was based on the Cobalt; and suppose that GM only produced 25,000 of these cars that sold out (almost) instantly. A marketing drone in GM suddenly believes that there is a massive market for this car and decides that it is important to increase production to 1,000,000 for the next model year; in that model year the company sells 125,000 before they begin (drastically) reducing the price in order to move the excess inventory.

125,000 units would have been a respectable number of cars to sell in a model year but being that 875,000 went unsold it would be remembered as a failure (and the model would be discontinued).

Now, I'm not saying that this will happen to Sony, but 6 months down the line (when the supply of units meets the demand for the units) Sony could be thinking that they have the next big product on their hands where they really had a dud ...

News at 11 for /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16957084)

And on the second week, microsoft sold an infinite more xbox360...

Ha Ha (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957100)

With such low launch stock, Sony is losing sales during a period when the hype around the console at its highest. Nintendo on the other hand plan to ship four million Wii consoles this year, giving them a three million lead over the PS3 by the year end.

Day 2 and Sony is in 3rd place. I believe I called this one months ago.

Re:Ha Ha, or Who is on Second? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958878)

Day 2 and Sony is in 3rd place. I believe I called this one months ago.

True, but the big question is - who's on Second?

Right now it's looking like the Wii is selling all it can ship from Nintendo, but will the larger current installed base of xBox360 added to the new Japan-style games allow it to pull a close second, or even edge out the Wii?

Will we have a repeat of the PS2 success, where the Wii pulls way ahead leaving the xBox360 and PS3 to battle it out for a distand second and third, or will we have a neck and neck first and second place struggle, with Sony so far back they end up being a laughingstock?

The earliest we can tell any of this will be January 15th when we get the end of year stats for post-Xmas sales worldwide. But in reality, we really need to give all three a year to get a real feel what's going on.

Gears of Wars for PS3 (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957172)

Searching for a Playstation 3 tech demo on YouTube [youtube.com] I found a Gears of Wars like preview of Unreal, on PS3! Today it is marketed as a Microsoft supported game. Does anyone know why that PS3 version has been abandoned? Did Microsoft support it with enough dollars or is this GoW only a preview of the might to come?

Re:Gears of Wars for PS3 (1)

inotocracy (762166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16957550)

Thats just Unreal 3, nothing suspicious here.

Re:Gears of Wars for PS3 (2, Interesting)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#16959078)

Searching for a Playstation 3 tech demo on YouTube I found a Gears of Wars like preview of Unreal, on PS3! Today it is marketed as a Microsoft supported game. Does anyone know why that PS3 version has been abandoned? Did Microsoft support it with enough dollars or is this GoW only a preview of the might to come?

As the sibling post says, that's just Unreal 3. Sure, it has a big, beefy human character but that's just Epic's style. As far as GoW on anything but Xbox 360, keep in mind that Microsoft published the game (usually Epic gets published by Atari/Infogrames/GT Interactive/whatever they're calling themselves these days) so unless Epic can shop around to another publisher (no idea what's in their development contract; they may not be able to shop around) they're not going to get GoW published on PS3 or Wii. There's still a chance it may make it to Windows, though probably as a Vista-only gamelike Halo 2.

Seattle Times tech blog claims this too (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#16958746)

Not sure what the exact blog is, but I saw it on the
Tech Tracks blog, saying that Sony had only about 125,000 to 175,000 PS3 units to sell last weekend while Nintendo sold about 425,000 to 475,000 Wii consoles at launch, with shipments of 1.5 million to 2 million units to North American stores this year.
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