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South Korea's Home of the Future

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the you-can-watch-televised-gaming-from-your-future-home dept.

Communications 112

An anonymous reader writes to mention a BBC article, looking at South Korea's vision of the home of the future. Their vision includes the use of many recent advances in interface technology, networking, and wireless communication. The difference? Unlike the high-tech demo homes we've discussed in the past, 100 of these units have already been built. Another 30,000 high-tech flats are in the planning stages, to be completed by 2008. From the article: "Here, everything is voice activated, and the fridge can provide you with recipes which use the ingredients inside, and let you know if your food is out of date. It relies on the food packaging containing radio tags, or RFID labels, which can be read by the fridge each time it passes through the door. In the bedroom your wardrobe mirror can tell you your schedule for the day, help you select your clothes — if all your clothes have washable radio tags compatible with the system — and keep you up to date with the weather and traffic."

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as bad as dukenukem forever (3, Funny)

80 85 83 83 89 33 (819873) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988472)

and it must have made the cover of this month's Popular Science.

or maybe it's like HDTV and after YEARS (decades) of being heralded, it might finally be coming. still overhyped IMHO....

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1)

hempola (974426) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988684)

Yes, it does seem that every few years "The High Tech Home of Tomorrow" becomes a popular buzzword, yet never arrives.

Where is the Smart Home?

Hell, my oven still burns the frozen pizzas, and i have to monitor my dryer constantly to make sure it doesn't melt my socks.

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (2, Insightful)

Ruff_ilb (769396) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988948)

Are you guys kidding? Did you even get halfway through the summary?

Again:

"Unlike the high-tech demo homes we've discussed in the past, 100 of these units have already been built. Another 30,000 high-tech flats are in the planning stages, to be completed by 2008."

They are definitely implementing these advances - or at least proving that they CAN be implemented.

In terms of "where is your smart home..."

Well, with enough money, you can have one too. This is prove that the technology DOES exist and CAN be implemented. It will, however, cost you.

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1)

rah1420 (234198) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989054)

This is prove (sic) that the technology DOES exist and CAN be implemented. It will, however, cost you.

The cost is not necessarily measured in dollars, either. The biggest challenge with this "smart home" crap is twofold; level of maturity and level of integration.

The products are not really matured yet, at least from where I sit (working part time on creating a "smart home" out of my current dumb one.) They're similar to Linux; making steps in the maturity direction, but we're a few years away.

Too, they all don't play nicely together. Hell, some of the different items|applications|whatever aren't even on speaking terms with each other. This one speaks this protocol, that one requires programming that way... all of which makes a quite lucrative opportunity for a whole house integrator, or an authority that can demand that all these things work together a la "HomeNet," the standard demanded by the SK housing project.

If the home automation people can all come together and agree on a lightweight, adaptable and easily deployable protocol that they can all speak, then you'll all of a sudden have a critical mass of hardware that could all work together. Until then, all we have is a Tower of Babel.

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989546)

Why do I need everything to communicate? Why does my living room lighting need to know what is in my refrigerator, or my home theatre system need to know what sweaters and in my closet? I just don't see a reason in integrate the whole house - but I do like a lot of the ideas here and wish I had them (my refrigerator being able to tell me what I can make with what I have and when I am running low on something, for example, is the coolest in my opinion).

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (2, Insightful)

Zemran (3101) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990130)

But after a while, when you have got used to it all...

You get a bad cold and feel like shit and the house refuses to co-operate with you... you are already feeling pissed and now even the house is ganging up on you...

Time to go postal

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990454)

Why not? A standard protocol would be very useful in controlling these items from multiple locations (e.g. shutting off the living room lights from the bedroom), on timers. Once you've got that protocol in place, you're 99% of the way to getting the items to respond to events, anyway. You'll be able to program your house.

Why would the lights want to know what was in your fridge? To alert you when your last beer is removed from the fridge?

Why would your home theater system need to know what sweaters are in your closet? To remind you to do your laundry?

As this technology matures I have no doubt we'll see many common uses and some more idiosynchratic uses. TVs which display important appliance-generated messages. Lights which respond in different ways to different events. Appliances which autostart according to a series of conditions. Phones which decide whether to ring or send to voicemail based on time of day and whether any (or which) lights are on in the house. Devices which fail to operate if the children have not completed their chores. Lights, cabinets, and other devices which notify a shopping list application when bulbs or other goods are used up. "Panic buttons" which lock all the doors, turn on all the lights, or perform some other wanted task. Liquor cabinets which send a warning when liquor is removed. We're only limited by our imaginations here.

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1)

80 85 83 83 89 33 (819873) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989096)

sure, it's coming. and a robot in every home is just right around the corner. and China can give you a "THIRD-BRAIN" so you can be a smart ass in your smart home.

Re:as bad as dukenukem forever (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 7 years ago | (#16991418)

>..or maybe it's like HDTV and after YEARS (decades) of being heralded, it might finally be coming. still overhyped IMHO....
--
I don't get it, if it has already been built, it's a house of the past/present,how can it be the house of the future?

Nuke Safe? (4, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988486)

Does it have a fallout shelter?

MOD PARENT UP (1)

deevnil (966765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988938)

hehe, sweet.

I would hope so (0, Redundant)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989970)

I'd hope so, because North Korea's vision of the South Korean home of the future is a smouldering, radioactive hole in the ground.

Re:Nuke Safe? (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990118)

Maybe not, but I'm sure it has an emergency fan-shutoff system wired to the windows and doors.

Poor Sebastian (4, Funny)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988488)

Won't someone please think of little 3yo Sebastion? Imagine what all those radio waves will do to his thin skull!

Re:Poor Sebastian (1)

Sneakernets (1026296) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989218)

I approve this meme.

Re:Poor Sebastian (1, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989354)

In Korea, this only affects old Sebastians.
 

But... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988524)

Can you play starcraft in it? Useless to Koreans if you can't!

Re:But... (1)

Ninjaesque One (902204) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989786)

As a person who has visited a model future home(I am, indeed, a Genu-ine Korean), I can say that indeed, you can play SC on it. All of the services(from voice mail on television[they translated baduk, or the Korean word for igo, some word for the game, go] to the blood insulin and sugar monitoring] are placed upon fragile GUIs on Windows machines, not embedded. The stated purpose was forward-engineering, but you can, indeed, play StarCraft upon it.

The guide did, indeed, have no clue about the RFID controversy when I asked her about it. Neither did, indeed, out internat'l school guide. They just have better stuff in Korea; the keyboard-chair interface is lacking.

Some interesting things they missed:

-Blood glucose testing(the guide used rat blood, and the computer raised an alarm because they've been using the same blood for quite a few days)
-Scarily changing decor(fish 'explode' into octopuses. Fish are common decoration in Korea, but not octopuses. Except in fish shops.)
-A friggin' gigantic Roomba that automatically cleans while you're gone; maybe three feet tall.
-Random sponsorship snacks(like an Orion cake box)
-Auto-elevator, like that WSJ story. Of course, it didn't work, as the flat was in a 12-story, mostly non-demo building.
-A little 3-d projector-thing with a disturbing little cartoon mascot. Lots of the commercial esthetic sense of Korea is based upon endearing mascots, which proceed to sell stuff. Mostly, they turn out as even-more-sold-out copies of Mickey Mouse. See Lotte Raccoon for details.

What I saw was, of course, only a demo. The guy that got the lone RFID wristband had a cloying, unusual voice, so we got a very good view of the system's impracticalities, along with redundant features(voice control on doors with good doorknobs!)

What I didn't see in the demo that was in the news thing: -The air quality thing, which could've been just glossed over by the guide. She mostly went in Korean, so I didn't get half of it.
-Wardrobe mirror.

Most of Seoul's population still lives in dingy old apartments in the East and South, and the extreme majority aren't very rich. Point of money, I guess. I could ask my grandma, but I don't think I need to pay for an int'l call to figure out that these are for early adopters only.

But what about... (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988616)

...the bomb shelter?

I hope to be the first... (0)

jftitan (736933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988622)

To say, I welcome my Korean Automated self cleaning, schedule telling, my cloths will not get me laid today overlords.

my 'house of the future" (2, Insightful)

LM741N (258038) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988636)

One that doesn't require two people working 60 hours per week to purchase. One that has a yard wider than 10ft. Really, does anybody other the wealthy even care about a high tech house?

Re:my 'house of the future" (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988810)

>One that doesn't require two people working 60 hours per week to purchase. One that has a
>yard wider than 10ft. Really, does anybody other the wealthy even care about a high tech house?

Sounds like you're living in an urban area. House prices are finally dropping but still entirely too high. We have a 100+ year old farm house on 10 acres in rural Maine we bought for 60K, when we cashed out of the inflated urban real estate market. Move to the country.

Re:my 'house of the future" (2)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989074)

Yup, we just had an 1800' sq foot house built on 6 acres for $135k, 30 minutes outside of Albuquerque, NM. I have no clue why anyone would live in town (other than mountain lion attacks (2 killed within a mile last year, attacking goats and horses). Definately beats our starter home in the Tampa Bay area we just sold for $220k.

Re:my 'house of the future" (2, Funny)

kennygraham (894697) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989474)

Mental parse error: Expected ")" on line 1.

Re:my 'house of the future" (1)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990670)

That's the thing with these computers ..... if it knows there's a missing (round bracket|speech mark|posh bracket), why doesn't it just put the bloody thing in for you and be done complaining? Obviously they're not that smart (you can get a bit of a clue from indentation as to where a posh bracket might be missing from).

It's like the way GCC gives you a warning if you omit #include <stdio.h> but then saves you from the worst by automagically including it for you. Well, why can't it go just one teeny step further and -- if the source file is writable and not just because you're being root -- rewrite it with the missing line included, so the next poor sod who compiles it doesn't get a screen full of warnings?

Re:my 'house of the future" (5, Interesting)

angrycrip (1029476) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988970)

At a decent price (yeah, that'd be a while) this type of system would be great for some people with certain mental disabilities, including head injury with memory loss. Low level alzheimers perhaps? A health care aid is way overpriced for helping you with simple things like remembering what you need to buy or what you should wear, besides being awkward. Ideas like this might help "high functioning" disabled people stay out of group homes or nursing homes someday. So some people care, maybe not most people.

Re:my 'house of the future" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989962)

A health care aid is way overpriced for helping you with simple things like remembering what you need to buy or what you should wear, besides being awkward. Ideas like this might help "high functioning" disabled people stay out of group homes or nursing homes someday. So some people care, maybe not most people.

Yeah, in South Korea only old people have new houses.

Re:my 'house of the future" (1)

ghyd (981064) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990742)

Finally someone thought of the stoners. No more yukky milk !

Re:my 'house of the future" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989042)

"One that doesn't require two people working 60 hours per week to purchase."

Try moving out of the city. I have a 4 bedroom 3300 sq ft house on 5 acres and my mortgage is only $1400/mo ($240k balance fixed rate). There are plenty of tech jobs in office parks outside the city center. My wife does not work, 2 kids, and I only log 38 hours per week at the office.

Maybe people should realize that a new BMW every 3 years is not a necessity.

Re:my 'house of the future" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989302)

Yeah, I was going to say. I already can't afford a nice house (recent, big enough, no need for too much renovations, decently sized yard, good neighborhood, etc) in the cities where I can seemingly find work, so I'm stuck renting condos. There's a few for sale a couple streets over, they're really tiny little things (smaller than my condo actually), and they go for 280k$+, and we're not exactly downtown either. Make it big enough for the average family, add a yard and such, and it would VERY quickly hit 400k$+, and there are more expensive cities.

Why would I want to spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for some tech toys like that? I don't like voice commanded stuff (can be rather problematic too - recall the recent Vista demo). Can the fridge provide me with varied healthy recipes I like? Because my current set of [hand picked] cookbooks already does that very well (I have some ebooks, but I find it sucks for this, so not too interested). Food being out of date is seldom a problem (and conveniently, there's always an expiry date on the food - and usually no rfid label). My schedule is already readily available in outlook on my desktop, on my laptop and at work, and also on my phone and PDA - it's redundant at best (if I needed it in other places, I could implement it). Clothes being dirty is usually obvious enough, and picking clothes hasn't been much of an issue yet (I'm not a woman though), besides none of my clothes have rfid tags. I get weather on my thermometer, little weather station, on TV, on the radio, on a dozen or so websites, in forecastfox, etc - already too much weather.

I somehow had expected more actual USEFUL stuff. Not just gadgets that costs a lot and does stuff I don't need it to.

Things I'd like to have in a "medium" tech house?
-some wiring management system that one can easily update (conduits, leviton jacks, rack in the basement perhaps?)
-speakers in all the house (various music zones)
-a decent entertainment center (looks/sounds good, and not too much clutter - cinema room would rock, but I ain't rich)

Things like that... A nice house and all this already costs over a half million $, and that's out of reach of most folks...

I don't have Larry Ellison's paycheck, and I don't want to get ridiculously in debt either.

Re:my 'house of the future" (1)

Y0tsuya (659802) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989838)

Don't worry. After the great housing crash of 2007-2010, you'll get your chance.

Hmm.. (3, Funny)

malkir (1031750) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988640)

Complete with microphones and video cameras in your television sets!

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988680)

Complete with microphones and video cameras in your television sets!

This is because the rich and famous seem to think everyone makes sex tapes...

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989172)

Why would I want to watch myself at the computer?

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990012)

Complete with microphones and video cameras in your television sets!

Of course; without telescreens, how could Big Brother watch us?

underground bunker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988642)

It's a bunker built into the side of a mountain. Designed to be a very energy efficient dweling, with its own air and power supplies. There is a weapons pod with SAMs and the center point of the structure is the state of the art control center running rock-solid Microsoft Vista controlling 5 large video projectors with world views, views of S. and N. Korea, and a view of the projected fallout based on models generated by Microsoft (classified TS).

The question is... (1, Funny)

Joel from Sydney (828208) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988648)

Does it have a large enough garage for my flying car?

Re:The question is... (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989806)

Yes, but not if you're one of those idiots with a flying SUV.

At what price? (2, Insightful)

Josh Lindenmuth (1029922) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988650)

Unfortunately the article didn't give an estimate of the price for one of these hi-tech homes. Would the average (or even the techie) find the incremental cost worth it? I doubt it. We now have much of this technology available to us in the U.S., but few people choose to buy it. The only big difference is that the hi-tech "flats" are being sold as a package deal, instead of the buyer needing to request the upgrades.

How much would such a home be worth to you? Would you pay the $50-100K or so that the extra features would likely cost? Considering the only way that my fridge would know that my yogurt is spoiled is if I told the fridge I just bought yogurt, it doesn't seem like that big of a convenience (who wants to type in everything you buy into a console on the fridge?). Also, do you really need fashion advice from a hi-tech mirror? I don't trust my own fashion sense, so I'm certainly not going to trust a computer's. My wife suits me just perfectly in that capacity.

Re:At what price? (1)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988898)

God knows it'd be a technical impossibility for yoghurt manufacturers to include the expiration date in the radio tag.

Re:At what price? (1)

Josh Lindenmuth (1029922) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989026)

Oh, are RFID tags common now in S Korea? That's a different story if they are.

I know they're years away from being included in single grocery items in the U.S. due to the relatively high cost (~$.05/tag). If some countries use RFID for everything, not just 1 per each case shipped to the stores (as is now becoming standard in the U.S.), then some of this smart technology makes a lot more sense. Even the creepy talking mirror is a marketable product if clothes in S. Korea come implanted with a descriptive RFID chip.

Re:At what price? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989784)

It's not a technical impossibility, but the economic liability doesn't make it attractive. If you were a yoghurt company, would you bother increasing your product price, just for the convenience of the 0.0001% of the market who has a smart home?

It's a competitive market. Increase your price, and people will probably switch to the cheaper yoghurt brand that doesn't have RFID tags.

Re:At what price? (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990688)

This is South Korea. Sooner or later, that .0001% will become 50% or even higher (I'm sure there are a couple of Luddites in South Korea somewhere in the countryside, so I won't say 100%).

Re:At what price? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990756)

It's interesting that you speak of luddites, because there is just as much cost to being a too enthusiastic technophile as there is to being a luddite. What does South Korea gain from wasting money on "smart homes" and RFID chips in every product? They don't really benefit people in any significant way, but add costs to the economy. So, if it is popular, it may actually be a loss to society overall.

Re:At what price? (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990912)

Well, I'd suppose it'd be helpful to those who have trouble doing everything on their own (elderly people) that can let the house coordinate things like cooking (auto-adjusting kitchen appliance settings based on RFID in a recipe card), cleaning (something like the Roomba that can tell when the owner is out and cleans up then), and washing (RFID tags in clothes so that people with poor eyesight don't have to figure out what the little tag says about washing instructions). Also, it would help for people who have memory trouble (the fridge can remind the owner that it's out of a certain item, or the TV can tell the owner when the backlight is going out). Probably most younger people (and even a lot of elderly people) but it would be helpful to those who have trouble but don't want to live in a nursing home (I know I don't- I still want to have my own home when I grow old for people to visit).

Re:At what price? (1)

ricree (969643) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989036)

While some of the things in the article are the same over the top promises we've been hearing for years, there are a couple appealing things about these houses. The best thing, in my opinion, was using power lines for networking so that all your appliances can be controlled remotely. While one might not care whether the fridge could tell whether their yogurt is spoiled, I could easily see situations where it would be nice to be able to remotely check the current temperature, settings, etc. This sort of thing alone would be a hugely useful change from where we are at now.

Re:At what price? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989102)

I wonder if RFID is necessary for that. I wonder if chemistry sniffers might be developed such that it can tell if something's gone bad. Rather than wasting a nickel on every package that gets thrown away eventually, the sniffer might work for the life of the refrigerator.

Re:At what price? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#16991424)

First off if you want low maintaince and working well then you need Crestron level gear and that will cost nearly $100K to replicate what they have there. a realistic setup will cost $15K with every light controlled by it's self , data collection, and audio system in every room controlled by the same system. Add to that REMOVAL of all the tv screens. use audio only. The house through occupancy sensors can easily determine you are done with your morning showering/dressing and headed to the kitchen, fire up the kitchen speakers and read this mornng's reminders and weather info if desired.

all these "displays" is useless fluff. I dont want to stand there taking time to look at something I would rather be buttering my toast as I listen to the information. when I leave the home ARM the alarm with a keyfob remote and the house sees "leaving!" kill the lights, turn off audio and other gear. when you return, if it's late turn on the entryway light when you press the disarm button on the remote.

simple as hell, far more functional than the "home of the future" crap all these companies build. using IP enabled amplifiers on the speakers in every room you can make this stuff really useful for cheap and do it right now. If you really want a TV display, modulate a info pc display on a channel in your home and have the system turn your tv on and to that channel... all done for an added $1000.00 total for the PC+software+decent channel modulator and notch filters.

How can they forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988676)

the automatic toilet? Everyone knows thats the ultimate in modern convenience in asia.

Myself, living in the future... (5, Funny)

Centurix (249778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988690)

"Fridge, list available meals."
"State ingredient search depth"
"Fridge, Level 5, 'hard-up-on-cash' level"
"Computing..."

"1 meal found"

"Fridge, show meals"

"Cheese. End of meal list."

Re:Myself, living in the future... (0, Redundant)

Cylix (55374) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988860)

Or mine...

"Fridge, list available meals"

"There are 214 possible combinations."

"Narrow search to something I don't have to cook."

"There are no possible combinations fitting that request."

"Cabinet...."

Re:Myself, living in the future... (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988920)

Fridge, list all available beverages.

"Beer"

Fridge, list all available foodstuffs.

"Condiments"

Re:Myself, living in the future... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989088)

I'm sure I've played that text adventure.

living in the future... continued (0, Redundant)

paniq (833972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989106)

Fridge, serve cheese!

"Please specify brand."

Red Leicester?

"Out of Red Leicester."

Tilsit?

"Computing..."

"Out of Tilsit. Tilsit will be delivered next week."

Four ounces of Caerphilly?

"Out of Caerphilly. Has been ordered."

Well then, Bel Paese?

"Out of Bel Paese. Sorry."

etc.

Re:living in the future... continued (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989810)

Cheddar?

Re:living in the future... continued (1)

paniq (833972) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990864)

Red Windsor?

Stilton?

Gruyere? Emmental?

Any Norwegian Jarlsberger?

Liptauer?

Lancashire?

White Stilton?

Danish Blue?

Double Gloucester?

Cheshire?

Any Dorset Blue Vinney?

Brie, Roquefort, Pont-l'Évêque, Port Salut, Savoyard, Saint-Paulin, Carre-de-L'Est, Boursin, Bresse-Bleu, Perle de Champagne, Camenbert?

Re:Myself, living in the future... (1)

Walt Dismal (534799) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989748)

Hey these are Korean smart houses. So the dialog goes like this:

You: "What do I have to eat?"

Fridge: "...one cabbage. Nothing else"

You: "What can I do with that?"

Fridge: "...you can have kim-chi in two weeks if you let it ferment."

You: "Starvation is always an option, I guess."

Fridge:" If you were a Transformer, you could suck back some motor oil."

You: "Better than kim-chi. Hey wait, fridge. Do you have Transformer-envy?"

Fridge: "Never mind. Besides, Korean babes eat kim-chi."

You: "No."

Fridge: "Yes."

You: "Lips that touch kim-chi shall never touch mine. I order you to dial the pizza number."

Fridge: "Okay, Wimp-san." (makes rude noise)

--- Smart houses are not necessarily a good idea.

Re:Myself, living in the future... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990668)

Korean people don't say "-san." You're thinking of Japan. Also, there's no hyphen in kimchee.

Re:Myself, living in the future... (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990746)

Well, Japanese people eat kimchi too.

In South Korea the future if for old people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988702)

Need I say more..

One thing... (2, Interesting)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988710)

Who else can listen in on all this data?

Re:One thing... (1)

z0mbiejesus (1028980) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988946)

I'm picking up something on my wi-fi enabled toilet paper holder/cynicism machine....wait...oh it's Tom Selleck, he's in the future -- it's 1984, killer construction robots -- it's Runaway!

Re:One thing... (1)

Centurix (249778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990240)

I'm not sure I want to know what's in my neighbours refrigerator, the dude is well over 300lbs, so there must be some pure lard in there somewhere.

Do you refrigerate lard? I don't know. Either way I don't want to know what he eats, it makes me shudder thinking about that.

Re:One thing... (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 7 years ago | (#16991184)

Do you refrigerate lard? I don't know.
I supose so. I don't know what room temperature will do to it, but I know leaving it in the sun will cook it and make it give away a nasty smell (like what happened to the lard used to impermeabilize tents in fairs, and what happens if you touch those powerful halogen lamps with your fingers).

Not even remotely practical (2, Insightful)

Micklewhite (1031232) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988736)

High technology is superficially attractive when you sort of think about it... I mean a fridge that tells me recipies! Wow! And my toaster keeps me up to date on the traffic conditions! WOOOW! And my mirror will help me pick out an outfit! WWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!! But then when you REALLY think about it, it's not even useful. I don't know about anybody else but my daily gettin' goin' routine is pretty simple to begin with. The TV gives me the news, the fridge holds my food, and I choose an outfit based on what's actually clean at the monent. How in the hell is a computer going to streamline an already extremely basic routine? It seems to me it's just technology for the sake of technology. A voice activated oven is pretty useless. If you're gonna be hoisting a 30 pound turkey into an oven it doesn't seem too far fetched to activate it manually.

The only practicality I can see to this junk is for the disabled. Or rich toffs who need to brag to their friends about how their house nearly burned down because they watched a porno movie within earshot of their computerised grease fryer.

Need an RFID tag in me (1)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988760)

Gee, with this level of automation with RFID tags, how can I get one implanted? I would love to be able to do what I want but I'm not automated enough!!

Re:Need an RFID tag in me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988872)

>Gee, with this level of automation with RFID tags, how can I get one implanted?

Be a dog. The vet will implant one very cheaply and give you a nice tag to wear on your collar.

i want the jewish mother house (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988832)

the mirror says 'are you going to wear that?'

the fridge says 'another beer? why do you drink so much? how about a nice glass of milk?'

yes but... (1, Funny)

BroadbandBradley (237267) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988836)

Does it run Linux?

But, does it come with a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16988838)

Suicide Booth?

Smart, you say? (1)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988846)

Why do they always describe this sort of technology as "smart" and then throw in the stupidest features imaginable? I can't imagine anyone being helped by a mirror that dispenses fashion advice. It's just there because they had the technology to make it possible, but not the common sense to resist making something flashy and worthless.

The question is... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988904)

...Is there anything half as ambitious as this in these United States of America? I doubt, sadly.

Re:The question is... (2, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988942)

We're too busy working insane hours to even care about all that stuff. If I lived in Florida with warmer weather, a large cardboard box would be more than enough home for me to manage with my hours. Posting this from my office on a Saturday night, btw.

Re:The question is... (1)

kurzweilfreak (829276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989702)

Posting this from my office...

I think you've found your own problem. :P

Moving? (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988908)

South Korea is moving home?

That's a lot of cardboard boxes. Time to get stocks in the paper industry, I think.

Think About What This Will Do To English Children! (1)

apostle matt (886684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988914)

Parents won't allow their kids in their closet, washrooms, OR schools in England [zdnet.co.uk] if those zany, unpredictable radio waves are going everywhere!

method of home construction or a bunch of gadgets (3, Interesting)

heroine (1220) | more than 7 years ago | (#16988998)

What makes it a home of the future? It used to be that the home of the future didn't involve the gadgets but the way it's built. Homes of the future used to be made of plastic, garbage cans, heat trapping foam, composite polymer windows. They were made robotically using polymer spray guns. By using advanced construction they were going to end homelessness and reduce energy consumption.

Now the BBC has declared a collection of gadgets that's bigger than the collection of gadgets you already have as a "home of the future". It could be a bunch of gadgets in an apartment, a bunch of gadgets in a car, a bunch of gadgets in a pocket, but since a large government has taxed for it and created a huge program for it, it's now called a "home of the future".

Re:method of home construction or a bunch of gadge (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989144)

What's wrong with both?

Re:method of home construction or a bunch of gadge (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989376)

The gadgets should be less intrusive. If you need a TV in front of the can, then I'm pretty sure that you are spending too much time on the can. The most electronics I need in a bathroom are a clock and in the interest of energy conservation, maybe some temperature limiter and flow limiter for the shower so I'm not wasting too much hot water. Some people might like a radio in the bathroom, but that's hardly high tech.

A refrigerator that tells me what I have is a bit much, that's just plain lazy, though I will admit that sometimes a small item is behind a large item and I just don't see it.

Re:method of home construction or a bunch of gadge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990440)

I agree. Given possible future concerns about energy prices then a house that is energy efficient and uses less energy (e.g. energy efficient gadgets and only ones that really add to quality of life) might be a better target.

I can see it now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989006)

Me: Honey, where's the plunger? The toilet is clogged and won't flush.

Toilet: Flushing.

Me: Shit.

Toilet: That's your job.

It's all data, no action (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989114)

It's all data, no action. You can query the 'fridge, but you can't order food and have it show up in the fridge. Combine Webvan with a pass-through refrigerator the delivery service can access, and you'd have something. Maybe even within-building robotic delivery, which would work for apartment blocks.

There's no automated cleaning. iRobot's Roomba vacuum is a joke, but there are units around $2000 that almost work. Get those into production. An apartment that cleans itself while you're out would actually be useful.

The computer-in-the-fridge thing and the control-via-power-outlet thing have been done to death over the last decade. They're just not that useful.

The big thing in building control today is Demand Control Ventilation [sensorsmag.com] . Instead of thermostats, you have little sensor boxes that sense temperature, humidity, CO2, CO, and air pressure. Crunching on that data, the HVAC system works to maintain a comfortable environment at minimum cost. When CO2 is no higher than outdoor ambient, the room is empty and airflow can be cut way down. When the number of people in the room increases, the higher CO2, temperature, and humidity readings cause the HVAC system to be cranked up accordingly. Of course, you also have a sensor at the outside air intake, so the system knows when to use outside air and when to recirculate. There's also the little trick of watching the air pressure as the fan speed changes. If the indoor air pressure doesn't change with fan speed, there's a door or window open, and the HVAC system shouldn't try too hard to fight that.

Re:It's all data, no action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990880)

Maybe a series of pneumatic tubes for delivery of foods from a central location would help. You wouldn't need much of a fridge then either. Get cheese delivered by the slice as you need it.

Me and Super Fridge (1)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989134)

Me: OK, show all the recipes that use the ingredients inside you.

Fridge: ...

Me: Well?

Fridge: Uh, nothing was found that involves a two-month old can of moldy pork-and-beans.

I'm confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989148)

Since when is South Korea moving...?

my own home for the future (2, Interesting)

pikine (771084) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989182)

I don't consider these human-assisting technologies "for the future." Here are more important criteria than that: (1) being energy efficient (electricity and heat), and (2) being environment friendly (allow natural vegetation to grow around it especially in an urban setting, adapting to the landscape rather than adapt landscape to it).

already here! $$$$$$$$$$ (1)

tobeistobex (1032028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989214)

most of this stuff is already being done in the US. mainly using Crestron or AMX. There are large multi million dollar apartments going up (not to mention houses) that are completely controable and/or automated. The only issue is finding a controlable device for all sub-systems, though almost every sub-system has a controlable device. It is scary that HomeNet is being used though. arg.

Thrown in a couple telescreens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16989672)

And call it North Korea's home of the future.

I just hope I have a *home* sometime in my future (-1, Offtopic)

The_Dougster (308194) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989704)

I'm a mechanical engineer with a degree from a very prestigious US ABET accredited university. I blew away my EIT (FE) exam and scored in the upper 80th percentile. My degree also included a minor in Mathematics in addition to mechanical engineering.

So why? Why have me and my family been on food stamps in the US for the last 3 years? I have applied for thousands of jobs during this period, and continue to do so. I spent a DECADE in engineering school to actually learn the content material rather than cheat my way past it.

Now in the "real business world" I find that no other engineers seem to have a freaking clue about any of that stuff that I labored to impress upon my brain, rather, they seem like a bunch of test cheating frat boys, and when they find I do know how to solve differential equations and understand and remember all of that diff-eq math and its applications, I'm suddenly on the short list for layoff.

Where is the payoff? I should have gone directly from high school into the trade industry. Now I'm a 40 year old US Army veteran mechanical engineer who is so hopelessly overqualified for anything that I am essentially unemployable. I'm going to die as a penniless forgotten wretch, a fool who went to school and actually learned something, instead of going to prison like everybody else who went to high school with me.

Yeah, Go USA, wooo hooo. Mother Fletcher forking representive republic democracy for the slavemasters. Fork you! I wish I could leave this stinking rat hole country of evil MBA arshole duckheads and jurk off farg management society. This country is a rotting zombie of a corpse. Fly high free birds and get away from the death lands if you can, this carrion pile of rotten liar bosses and corporate cuckolds is the death of everything you ever hoped and dreamed of. These are the words of infamy and the future was yesterday.

Re:I just hope I have a *home* sometime in my futu (1)

apostle matt (886684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989880)

Sorry to hear you're had... extraordinarily bad luck. You're in my prayers friend.

Re:I just hope I have a *home* sometime in my futu (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990040)

It's interesting that you bitch about how there's no job for an "overqualified", brilliant, talented person like yourself who is obviously smarter than the rest of the world, when just a couple months ago you posted about the "excellent propects" you had lined up in programming, and having a job in a call center. In a past post you also provided suggestions about "being successful in business" and how to act professionally. You told us how companies should interview people and evaluate employees and then complained about incompetent HR staff. This is rather ironic coming from a complacent bum on food stamps. My suggestion to you, my friend, is to log off Slashdot and go find yourself a damned job.

CO2? (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989954)

Apart from the fact that I can decide what to wear and what to eat today myself, thank you, there is a thing about this house that really worries me. Computers are power hogs. I read somewhere that all the efforts Great Britain has done to reduce its CO2 output in recent years will be nullified when digital TV is in every home in Great Britain. Imagine how many extra power plants must be built in South Korea to keep these houses powered. Not good for the global environment.

S. Korea is not a good IT example, a laggard (1)

stoev (103408) | more than 7 years ago | (#16989968)

100% of Internet banking in S. Korea is using IE and Windows specific ActiveX. If you live in S. Korea and use Iternet banking, you have to pay Microsoft Tax, because you have to use Microsoft Windows. In fact, with respect to Linux penetration, the country is in the Stone Age. S. Korea, Japan and China speak a lot about creating theis own Linux distro. I am reading this for 2-3 years. This is rediculous, because no result was shown. Obviously they are using this card to extort lower prices from MS, but they have no serious intention to promote Linux in the Government.
And the future house should be mainly with green garden, clean air, no traffic congestion. Electronics is not that important.

All we want to know is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990004)

Does SK's home of the future include machine gun sentries for security? [slashdot.org] No way anyone's takin the good stuff outta my high-tech fridge!

)mod up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990058)

brAin. It is the [goat.cx]

And for apartment blocks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16990064)

For apartment blocks, you just need a Beowulf of that!

DUH (1)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990386)

To gadget-tastic for my tastes. I'll take the Dilbert House [unitedmedia.com] over this any day. (Assuming that I must live in suburbia. Anyone know of a DUH-like project for city dwellers)

-Grey [wellingtongrey.net]

smart fridge (1)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 7 years ago | (#16990782)

It's my experience that, unless your fridge is really knackered, food will survive a good week or so beyond the manufacturer's date stamp. And some foods -- the versions of French cheeses that you get in British supermarkets spring to mind -- aren't edible until that date!

Milk is interesting. It goes through a stage where you can taste that it's just starting to go on the turn but it's fine in tea; then a bit later it's no good in tea but OK in coffee. Then it starts to separate into watery and fatty parts. How's a fridge going to know all the subtle stages?

I've even seen expiry dates on eggs! Surely everyone knows how to tell whether an egg is fresh; you place it in a jug of water. If it sinks, it's safe; if it floats, it's foul; and if it stands upright, use it up right away. Also, I think sticking a printer up a chicken's bottom is just cruel.

MY house of the future (1)

gd23ka (324741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16991444)

Uuh, I don't need such a sophisticated "home". All I want is a place that ... ... is far away from any major highway ... is on a road that doesn't appear on any maps ... is in the middle of a forest property ... can not be seen from public land ... has a big fireplace ... has two huge dry and cool cellars, one only I know about ... is marked as off limits, privileged just like all other hideouts of the US Elite.

Voice recognition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16991480)

I just hope I don't have to repeat three times everything to my fridge as I have to with my cellphone.

On the other hand, did they hire Kevin [dresskevin.com] for that clothing/dressing software?
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