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What Analysts Will Be Buying For Christmas

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the they're-not-getting-you-anything-though dept.

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Gamasutra's 'Analyze This' gets opinions firsthand from analysts examining the gaming industry. Today they have up a piece looking at gaming purchases that are good Christmas buys. Unsurprisingly, many of them focus on the next-gen consoles, with a few looking 'back' to hot sellers like the DS and Guitar Hero II. From the article: "We feel that Nintendo DS will perform strongly this Christmas in all major territories while PS2 software, nowadays largely ignored by the mainstream media, will continue to sell in significant volumes until 2008. PS2 software will generate around $5.2 billion in software sales in 2006, down from $7.6 billion in 2005. Although new hardware launches are exciting, it is easy to forget that launch performance is not indicative of longer term results. The first meaningful indications as to how the next generation will shape up will not emerge until late 2007. - Ed Barton, Screen Digest"

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Great (-1, Offtopic)

BurningPi (1032288) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006594)

I just want to install Linux on the wii...

Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (-1, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006706)

If you want to run GNU/Linux on a consumer set-top box, consider a Mac mini or a PLAYSTATION 3. They have full support for dual-booting Free operating systems (through Boot Camp and Other OS Installer respectively). Xbox 360 and Wii don't. The original PS2 supported Linux to an extent, but Sony removed this feature in the slimline version and discontinued the old version.

Re:Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (1)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007102)


Mac minis are sexy, yes. I'll wait till the mythical "Mac TV" box shows up, though.

As for the Wii, there's very little stopping Linux from booting. You have local storage (SD/Flash), and Linux has been running on the GC since forever.

More importantly (like the PS3 and Mac) you have bluetooth. That means (theortically) you have mice and keyboards.

*If* the remote could get it's protocol reverse engineered (technically only need button presses), and *if* you could boot off of the SD card with little more than a Bootloader DVD inserted into the drive, then you could basically have a media player on an SD card, complete with remote. Linux would take up like 100-150M or so of the drive, so just put the movies on the rest of the 2G card, put it in, boot it up, and watch the movies.

Re:Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007716)

*If* the remote could get it's protocol reverse engineered (technically only need button presses), and *if* you could boot off of the SD card with little more than a Bootloader DVD inserted into the drive, then you could basically have a media player on an SD card, complete with remote. Linux would take up like 100-150M or so of the drive, so just put the movies on the rest of the 2G card, put it in, boot it up, and watch the movies.

Its worth noting however that the PS3 seems to have the leg up for linux so far - they provide an officially sanctioned bootloader for instance. (Having a harddrive helps, as well). There's no reason the Xbox360 could not do this as well but so far MS is acting like it typically acts towards free software. Of the three new consoles, the Wii is the last one I expect to see with a truly functional linux environment.

Re:Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 7 years ago | (#17008392)

I don't expect 360 to have linux, even unofficially, supported before the wii. Without MS help, I don't see the guys of free60 [free60.org] succeeding before 720 is released(maybe not even before 1080). I think nintendo suggested a linux second OS for the wii just like the ps3.

Re:Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 7 years ago | (#17015806)

Nothing is impossible, but I've been checking the free60 site periodically since it was first posted and I agree with you. I don't see them making major headway. Microsoft has definitely done a better job locking down the 360 than they did on the original Xbox.

And yes, before anyone asks, I would like to contribute. But all my software experience is nowhere near the bare metal, so there isn't much I can do.

Diigital siignature (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009054)

As for the Wii, there's very little stopping Linux from booting.

Not even digital signatures? Look at the Nintendo DS; without a NoPass style mod chip [pineight.com] , you can't load binaries that aren't signed with Nintendo's private key over DS Download Play, and anything you load from the GBA slot will run in GBA compatibility mode. It took a year and a half after the DS was released before NoPass became available for sale, and there's no guarantee that anything like it will be made for Wii.

You have local storage (SD/Flash)

But how do Wii get the CPU to load and run software from local storage (SD/Flash)?

and Linux has been running on the GC since forever.

Linux for GameCube on Wii is worse than Linux for GameCube on GameCube because Linux for GameCube on Wii cannot access the Wii's network hardware, which means you can't boot off a NAS.

and *if* you could boot off of the SD card with little more than a Bootloader DVD inserted into the drive

If anybody outside the Nintendo NDA manages to release a Bootloader DVD, then the PS3 and Mac mini lose some of their exclusive appeal.

Re:Get a Mac mini or a PS3 (1)

Z80a (971949) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009824)

actually Wii can play movies from SD cards using that photo channel,with no need to boot a linux or something

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (0, Offtopic)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007968)

I just want to install Linux on the wii...

Yeah, but if you install it on a PS3, Sony will lose anywhere from $240 to $306 on the console sale, and technically the PS3 has more power than the Wii - notice I didn't say it was as fun to play, just more powerful.

Think about it - install Linux on your PS3 (bought at retail) instead, and kill two birds with one cow tossing.

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050456)

ffs people o_0 Sony loses *more* if you *don't* buy the console, is that so hard to understand? You're just helping them recoup their losses otherwise..

PS - I don't hate Sony for the rootkit thing, though I think it was rather foolish on some individual's/small-groups part. I've had many happy hours from PSX and PS2 (and I consider the music branch separate from the ones that made the PSX and PS2...). I've always intended on buying a PS3, though them delaying it's launch in the UK means that I've already pre-ordered a Wii. I may still get a PS3 next year depending on the games it has, but I value gameplay over graphics, so if the Wii can continue to come up with good games and not just be a short-lived gimmick, then I'll stick with it.. may yet get the PS3 due to its Blu-ray abilities too, and possibly for buying graphically superior versions of games which are otherwise exactly the same (unless the Wii controller turns out to work well for racing and rallying games, which I do like..)

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052864)

No, according to a number of financial business analysts, they literally lose money on each console made. If you buy it fresh, and then turn it into a server, the only help you give them is the economy of scale, but you actually decrease their profit - both by lost game sales and by literal loss.

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17062956)

No - they have *already* lost the money by making the console. Any money you give them for that console will help them make money back (not a profit, but still a smaller loss). If nobody bought a PS3 then they'd make more of a loss than if people did (although if people buy them, then they manufacture millions more, and then nobody buys those millions, they'll lose more than having just made one million or whatever). The lost game sales point is valid, but the other one is stupid.. and they're going to make more, so eventually anyone who wants one will actually get one..

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17069938)

I'm sorry, this is basic economics.

Company A produces Product B at Price C for Cost D.

Consumer E buys 5 units of Product B from Company A - cost to Company A is 5 times (D-C) - at $240 loss, this LOSES $1200 for Company A.

Consumer F buys 10 units of Product B from Company A - cost to Company A is 10 times (D-C) - at $240 loss, this LOSES $2400 for Company A.

Assuming both Consumers buy zero games and Blu-Ray movies from Company A, then Company A has lost a lot of money, and makes none back.

If all such Product B are turned into Linux servers, then Consumers E and F have both stuck it to Company A and have cool graphics servers with Cell processors to boot!

Re:Great or Why U should install Linux on PS3 (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17074048)

Only makes any sense if a lot of people do this, and I doubt many people are going to spend that much for a not very functional server. I get your point, but I even think some of these geeks wil give in to buying the games when they see how cool they are, and they already have a powerful multicore system to play them with...

That's easy... (1)

gt_mattex (1016103) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006618)

Analysts have already bought into the hype.

Analysts? (4, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006662)

Seriously, what do Analysts know?

I have seen analysts spout garbage like "The PSP will dominate the Nintendo DS starting in 2006" and "The Nokia N-Gage will reduce Nintendo to a fraction of their handheld marketshare". All analysts do is make up predictions and try to justify them without any real understanding on why people buy the products they do, and most of the time they're wrong. I'm willing to bet that the average slashdotter has more accurate predictions than these analysts.

Re:Analysts? (4, Funny)

grogdamighty (884570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007046)

Linux will be ready for mainstream desktop use this year. No, seriously.

Re:Analysts? (2, Funny)

BurningPi (1032288) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007474)

It already is; people just don't hear about it enough. On the other hand, I can't imagine anyone buying their wife a boxed linux distro ("Hey, sweetie, I got you FC6. Merry Christmas!")

I don't think the title is relevant, it sounds like it should be talking about what the analysts will buy their families for christmas.

Re:Analysts? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17007608)

"Hey, sweetie, I got you FC6. Merry Christmas!"

More like Season's Beatings! I mean -- straddling-the-cutting-edge Fedora? You could at least act like you cared, and get her something like Ubuntu...

Seriously! (2, Insightful)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007148)

Read this interview [arstechnica.com] and then tell me if you'd play anything recommended by "analysts". These people are paid to analyze industries and trends, not games and consoles. It's like asking a commodities broker which grocer has the best bananas! I'd far sooner trust a gaming journalist. They're far less likely to judge a game based on "genre coverage" as opposed to actual gameplay...

Re:Seriously! (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007772)

I read that interview and honestly, I thought those analysts made some compelling points. Just because a certain segment has a particular passion for an eccentric game doesn't mean that such games are the most profitable out there. And there's always that one odd game that happens to be a hit, but this isn't something that can be predicted.

It sounds nice to have a developer constantly put out unusual games, but they do have bills to pay. They can't count on every one of those games being a success, regardless of how many people claim they want innovative games. Blizzard has become a success not through innovative gameplay, but by taking some established genre and refining it so that the most entertaining aspects of the genre are enhanced.

Inevitably the Wii will be called upon as a mark of innovative gaming. But I don't think Nintendo is nearly as innovative as people like to claim. It's essentially a different intepretation of existing input devices and more importantly, the games themselves thus far certainly haven't broken the mold. And when it comes down to it, I can't help but wonder if the Wii would have gotten anywhere near this kind of attention if it hadn't been Nintendo developing it.

The Xavix, http://www.xavix.com/ [xavix.com] has been around for a few years now and over the past year, with all the discussion of the Wii, I have yet to see a single person mention the system. The system works quite well, and doesn't require the calibration the Wii does.

When it comes down to it, Nintendo is a safe bet, much like EA. Because they're established and in the greater scheme of things they're taking a relatively safe path to success. If anything, Sony has taken the most risk, but then they probably have deeper pockets that help absorb some of this risk. Although, if it doesn't pay off it will be a massive hit for the company.

This is not to say I believe what analysts claim, because they often seem to be wrong. Too many of these analysts really don't seem to have much knowledge of the industry they're talking about. But then, that's why it's recommended that if you invest you do so in an industry you're intimately familiar with and that you keep yourself informed.

And ultimately, it's too early to tell how these new consoles will turn out... In a year we'll what the market looks like.

Re:Seriously! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17008050)

So "Warcraft - Orcs & Humans" wasn't innovative?

Re:Seriously! (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009434)

The Xavix, http://www.xavix.com/ [xavix.com] [xavix.com] has been around for a few years now and over the past year, with all the discussion of the Wii, I have yet to see a single person mention the system. The system works quite well, and doesn't require the calibration the Wii does.

You're correct in saying the Xavix doesn't get the attention the Wii does because the Wii is developed by Nintendo, but the reason for that is different than you would think. Nintendo will bring attention to the Wii because you know that for the next 5 years games will be developed for the Wii and there will be at least 250 different games made for the Wii in its lifetime; the Xavix will be lucky to get 25 games in its lifetime, none of which will be as good as Zelda. Another way to put it is that Nintendo will be able to make the Wii perform as close to its potential as possible, the Xavix is a cool toy that will never reach its potential.

Re:Seriously! (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050616)

That Xavix thing is cool, and probably in your american system could even sue Nintendo for violating patents or something, but:

1. the graphics look like ass

2. only sports games?

Sure the Wii has sports games, but it's also got a lot of power and the potential to play other types of games - games which are proven to be fun, and can now be made more realistic by using a more natural input method. The fact that it's by Nintendo is good for everyone, as the developers know the system will sell, and the consumers know that the product is made by a 'real' company. I like the idea of games where I don't have to rely on some moronic in-game character to have enough speed and agility to hit a tennis ball or an opponent, when I know I could have done better myself ;)

Re:Analysts? (1)

zkwang (957831) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007860)

But all the information in the current world does not support these predictions:

1. Sony loses a few more high profile exclusives ... http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10792/ [gwn.com]

2. POSSIBLE Microsoft XBox 360 Price Cuts http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1335 1 [gamedaily.com]

3. eBay shows slow demand for ebay crash in PS3 Prices http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162338.html [gamespot.com]

Re:Analysts? (2, Funny)

sugarman (33437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17008138)

The Nokia N-Gage will reduce Nintendo to a fraction of their handheld marketshare".

Hey, give them some credit. 999/1000 is still a fraction.

The Ancient, Decrepit PS2 (3, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006674)

... still lays golden eggs. Seriously, go look at the sales figures. I was somewhat astonished.

Beginning to thing that the PS2 is a missing part of the conversation about the PS3; perhaps the reason Sony aimed so damn high with the spec is that they already have a low-end console with a massive library that sells like crazy. They can probably take the brunt of the parts shortages and bad vibes up front by riding on the PS2's shoulders for at least another two years.

Re:The Ancient, Decrepit PS2 (2)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006742)

They can probably take the brunt of the parts shortages and bad vibes up front by riding on the PS2's shoulders for at least another two years.

From a market share and revinue perspective Sony will be fine for a couple of years with how the PS2 is performing. The question is how healthy will the PS3 be in 24-36 months (from a software line-up) if it is consistently outsold by both the Wii and XBox 360 (hypothetically speaking of course)? When has a console that is trailing (by a wide margin) ever recovered to become the market leader?

Re:The Ancient, Decrepit PS2 (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17008280)

The exclusive games will be the key. That will also be the problem for Sony. Development for the PS3 isn't cheap. Companies will put resources where they can pay off. Unless you can charge a premium for PS3 games then it may not be profitable to write exclusives for the PS3.
Add in that the 360 has very good graphics and you could have Sony falling in to third place.

Mod Parent Up (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006824)

Too bad I used up all my mod points on comments for "Sony Console the Worst Launch Ever."

If I remember correctly, isn't the PS2 outselling the PS3, 360, and Wii combined (and is above the XBox)?

Re:Mod Parent Up (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006926)

If I remember correctly, isn't the PS2 outselling the PS3, 360, and Wii combined (and is above the XBox)?

Probably. Much like the NES outsold the Genesis for a long time also. But getting sloppy and complacent about providing an upgrade path is a surefire way to lose lots of market share, because the old systems aren't going to sell forever.

Re:Mod Parent Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17007038)

Add a controller interface much the same as the wii has, and really.. you have strong competitor.

I don't think the PS2 hardware sells at a loss anymore either.. so the entire ps2 franchise base is profit based..

and still, aparently, very relevant.

PS2 vs XBox 360 (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007838)

No numbers for November (expect those mid December) yet, so the Wii might have passed depending on launch numbers, but it did beat the 360 easily in October.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?st ory=11648 [gamasutra.com]

The PlayStation 2 came in at around 235,000, with the Xbox 360 slightly disappointingly selling just under 220,000 units.

Re:The Ancient, Decrepit PS2 (2, Informative)

oc255 (218044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007036)

"The PlayStation 2 is the most popular console with 57% of gamers
owning one compared to 39% with an Xbox and 27% with a Gamecube. A
small, fanatical number, 8%, own all three consoles."
BBC News: 8 April, 2005 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4423365.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Damn it, I'm a generic fanatic apparently.

Re:The Ancient, Decrepit PS2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17015256)

I'm getting a PS2 for christmas!! It's the best! May get a PSOne next year.

I don't care. (0, Flamebait)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006826)

I'll buy what I want. Analysts can go perform sexual acts on themselves.

Re:I don't care. (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17006888)

There's a reason why Analysts go to a sex therapist. They too often can't predict what their partner want most of the time.

Re:I don't care. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17007324)

... Then the talent agent says "That's a hell of an act. What do you call it?"

"The Analysts!"

Good News For Sony,Bad News For Microsoft,Nintendo (1)

RichardMarks (1011125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007042)

"Our recent study on "next-gen purchase intent" showed that the PS3 enjoys the highest future purchase intent of all three systems."

"Our purchase intent study shows that immediate purchase intent for the 360 is pretty low, while a good portion of those interested in purchasing a 360 are waiting for a price drop. Microsoft may have tapped out that less price sensitive early adopter portion of the market."

"the Wii has the lowest level of awareness of the three systems, but a similar level of future purchase intent as the 360"

Anita Frazier, NPD

Re:Good News For Sony,Bad News For Microsoft,Ninte (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007184)

Funny. It's (Wii) all the buzz amongst middle class dads and moms around here.

I agree the 360 needs a price drop. But, then, so does Sony's PS3 ...

Re:Good News For Sony,Bad News For Microsoft,Ninte (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17007578)

"Funny. It's (Wii) all the buzz amongst middle class dads and moms around here."

Sure it is...

"I agree the 360 needs a price drop"

It's already got one with all of the huge bundles. The $399 360 is effectively selling for $299 for the past month or so.

"so does Sony's PS3"

When a product is selling for roughly twice its street price on eBay, it sure as hell doesn't need a price cut. The PS3 is going to be sold out for the next 6 months at $499.

Re:Good News For Sony,Bad News For Microsoft,Ninte (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009692)

Well, I just checked at the local coffee shop - still everyone planning on either getting a Wii or more games for the Wii they already got.

There was one guy a week ago who wanted a PS3 - but he was going to wait until January when they're easier to get. Mind you, he had a 1080i HDTV, so maybe he could appreciate the difference.

Re:Good News For Sony,Bad News For Microsoft,Ninte (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007396)

"Our recent study on "next-gen purchase intent" showed that the PS3 enjoys the highest future purchase intent of all three systems."

Make 1,000 random phone calls and ask people "Which of the following next generation gaming systems do you intend to purchase, Sony's Playstation 3, Microsoft's XBox 360 or Nintendo's Wii?" and I'm willing to bet that most people who answer with (something like) "Oh, I own a PS2 so I'm going to buy a PS3!"

Now, if you created a selection of qualifying questions to see how informed people were and I imagine that the purchase intent for the Playstation 3 would be smaller.

The only reason I say this is that I was in EBgames looking for a nunchuck earlier this week and I saw a guy walk in and ask if they had the PS3 for sale (I think he was looking for it as a present for his children); it was explained to him that it wouldn't be readily available until after Christmas and would cost $650 (Canadian) and the man responded with something along the lines of "Why are you charging $200 more than anywhere else" not understanding that the PS3 actually cost $650 (as compared to the $450 the PS2 launched at).

Funny but. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17008374)

At my office the Wii is the game system of choice right now. No one I know is going to buy a PS3 anytime soon.
It is just too expensive.
I have heard that the PS3 lacks a down converter so if you don't have an HDTV that supports 1080p you only get 480p graphics.
If that is true then it will be a long time before I get a PS3. 1080p TVs are still very expensive.

Re:Funny but. (1)

codyk (857932) | more than 7 years ago | (#17010402)

Does zonk hire people to post this fud in every Sony article? How did this get modded up?

The ps3 won't convert 720p to 1080i. That's the only conversion issue, and it may be fixed with firmware update. In other words, if you're playing a 720p game on a 720p set, no problem, 1080i game on a 1080i set, no problem, etc etc.

As for '1080p tvs are still very expensive', 37" 1080p lcds can be had for under a grand now. If you're buying a ps3, that is not 'very expensive'.

Re:Funny but. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17016792)

No Zonk doesn't pay me anything. And you are right about the conversion issue. As I said I heard it. I latter looked it up.
I do disagree with the concept that $1000 for a TV is not very expensive.

Buying this XMas - PS2 & DSLite Games (1)

Jonah Hex (651948) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007118)

So far I've gotten 6 PS2 titles and 10 DSLite titles, most of the PS2 games are used family/party style games while the DSLite's are new games aimed squarely at the two kids. Lets not forget the 3 controllers (one of which replaces a broken one) and the adapter to use all four at once. I can't wait to whip up on the family in some PS2 Twisted Metal Black! Now if I could only find Backyard Hockey 2005 for the PS2 I'd be happy, the kids don't want to play NHL 2007

Jonah HEX

Re:Buying this XMas - PS2 & DSLite Games (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007272)

Me too, I'm buying a lot of PS2 games now, the ones in the games site top ten lists.

I brought a PSP when it was first released (in Japan). It is only now that a couple of games have come out that I actually like. I'm going to wait several years before going next gen., then there might be some decent games at a fair price.

All I know is what all the dads around are saying (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007154)

And we're all buying Wii games, quite frankly.

That and snowsuits and hip waders here in Seattle.

But some of the DS games are cool, as are some of the PSP ones.

Nobody seems interested in the Zune here - my sister phoned from Cali to ask if it's any good, I told her it had decent hardware.

So, I'd look for more Apple iPods, lots of games for the Wii console, extra controllers for the Wii console, SD cards, that kind of thing.

Re:All I know is what all the dads around are sayi (1)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009094)

I was going around looking for Wii controllers with a friend in Tacoma and it seems they sell out rapidly. I'm just waiting for someone to unload his entire PS2/PSX collection so that I can rush in and snap up anything that's no longer being pressed(I'm looking at you, Digital Devil Saga.).

BTW, it's even colder and snowier on the east side.

I might try to get a DS for myself too.

If you're interested in something a little more robust and definitely different than an iPod, check out the Creative Zen Sleek. It's got a burly aluminum case instead of plastic. It looks cooler too, and the UI is a bit easier to use(for me).

Re:All I know is what all the dads around are sayi (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17009320)

I still haven't found any extra Wii controllers myself. Found a nunchuk at Sears, but still need the Wii-mote.

They sold out any they still had on Black Friday early on.

And the games are in such short supply that they can't even stock a full shelf, cause they keep selling out.

Same at many stores.

Re:All I know is what all the dads around are sayi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17009566)

I found one online with Fingerhut, but no guaranteed Christmas delivery. Mine shipped Friday, I ordered it about a week ago.

My God.. their analyst (1)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17007448)

People who guess and have no clue. Go to forums, talk tech friends and do your research and you'll make a informed purchase thus bypassing a group of people I see no use for whatsoever. In this age of information in-power yourself. It will never matter what analyst think, it's what you think.

What Analysts are Eating for Breakfast! (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17008360)

Statistic-os! Contains %83.57 of your daily value of nutrients. Believed to be a part of a balance breakfast. May contain a high amount of vitamin C. Net Weight: 8 - 11oz. Projected servings per box: 15
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