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Wii, PS3 Sell Big In First Week

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the lots-of-waggling dept.

Wii 306

Wowzer writes "Nintendo today announced the Wii sold through more than 600,000 units in the Americas in just its first eight days of availability. That's a rate of nearly one per second continuously since the November 19 launch!" From the article: "The company noted that, when taking into account first-party software and accessory sales, Wii sales have thus far amounted to an impressive $190 million. Nintendo also added that sales of the Wii's highly anticipated launch title, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, has already has achieved sales of more than 454,000 units in the Americas, a figure which it notes represents in excess of of 75 percent of all hardware purchasers." I couldn't find any sales figures for the PS3, just word that the company has sold all the units it shipped. Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold, while the Wii cracked 27,000 via the popular online auction site.

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Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (5, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017026)

Before anyone mentions nexgenwars.com [nexgenwars.com] , I think you should all read this forum thread [nexgenwars.com] about how the numbers are calculated. To anyone who has even an inkling of statistics and probablity, his methods should stand out as highly flawed. Until we have a good sales history and ample supply with which to predict the sales of these consoles, it would be best to stick to the official figures released by the respective companies and retail tracking organizations. (The latter of which is not yet available.)

Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold, while the Wii cracked 27,000 via the popular online auction site.

It's worth noting that 15,000 PS3 units could be as much as 10% [gizmodo.com] of the North American supply. Given that we don't know the actual figures shipped, it's just as possible that 15,000 is 5% of the supply. Either way, it's a significant percentage of the PS3 consoles.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (0, Offtopic)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017072)

BTW, I love the new Wii topic icon. ;-)

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017116)

Figures that you'd enjoy seeing a hand wrapped around part of a Wii... : p

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017376)

Good Lord. You people waste your mod points on marking a positive comment on the new "Wii" topic icon "Troll" and "Offtopic" while several troll posts (especially the "Information on the PS3") go unmodded? Geez people, get some priorities.

FYI: Wii Topic [slashdot.org] and Wii Icon [slashdot.org] .

Posted at +2 this time, because I'm not feeling quite as polite.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017840)

Geez people, get some priorities.

Ha. This from a fat fanboy loser who can get the first post on any story tangentially related to Nintendo to post troll comments bashing Sony. Get a life.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017102)

So, until now, one thing seems clear - all the available consoles were sold in the first few weeks from launch - XBOX360, PS3 and Wii. Interesting is what will happen in the future

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (5, Insightful)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017264)

Nintendo may have hit on an important point though. Just dumping your product on the market with a huge shortage before the Christmas season may not be enough. Nintendo has managed to get major numbers out there (4million estimated before Christmas). If it truly is the hot item, then it stands to stomp the PS3 in terms of market penetration. And if the Wii starts ramping up support, it's quite possible that many who planned on getting a PS3 before, ended up forgetting about it because they're perfectly happy with the Wii - which they could at least obtain.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (5, Funny)

js3 (319268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017164)

NexGenWars

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017206)

Good job karma whoring!

Let me see if I can capture the moment...

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So there you are, cock in one hand, other hand on the F5 key, and the big moment comes. I'm talking about the launch of the new article, duh! Copy paste, preview. I'm making you for a "preview" guy -- don't want to risk fucking up the formatting, no that won't do. Screwed up formatting could blow your whole karma whoring attempt -- mods don't like fucked up formatting, unless it is from the slashdot editors forgetting to close a tag and not noticing for 2 hours.

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Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017308)

Wow. Someone's bitter for missing frosty piss.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017706)

It's worth noting that 15,000 PS3 units could be as much as 10% of the North American supply. Given that we don't know the actual figures shipped, it's just as possible that 15,000 is 5% of the supply. Either way, it's a significant percentage of the PS3 consoles.

Looks like 10*27,000/600,000 comes in around 4.5%. Granted, TFA says "more than 600,000 units" which means it's probably in the 600,000-650,000 unit range (650,000-699,999 would probably be "almost 700,000 units").

Even assuming 700,000 Wii consoles were available, that means almost 4% were sold on ebay. Following the parent's criteria, it seems like it is also a significant percentage.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (2, Interesting)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017918)

Gamasutra is also reporting sales figures via Ebay for the two consoles. 15,000 PS3s were sold,

How many were put up on ebay and NOT sold? I'm guessing that there are not many more people willing to pay $1000 extra just to get a unit before the next shipment arrives. Think of all those thousands of poor people, who are now stuck with a $800 doorstop. Remember, they only bought it to resell it, not to use it.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (2, Interesting)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018166)

Nope, they are definitely getting sold. Of course after the first few days sellers had to start selling them for $1000 bucks or so. But nobody (unless just just screw up on their auction) is losing money... Unless you count only making $200 for 2 days standing in line.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018352)

Until we have a good sales history and ample supply with which to predict the sales of these consoles, it would be best to stick to the official figures released by the respective companies...

...snip...

It's worth noting that 15,000 PS3 units could be as much as 10% of the North American supply. Given that we don't know the actual figures shipped, it's just as possible that 15,000 is 5% of the supply. Either way, it's a significant percentage of the PS3 consoles.

So you say that no one should cite a site spouting statistics based on unverified info and then turn right around and give a statistic based on unverified info? You also neglected to note that 30,000 of 600,000 Wii's is about 5% as well, which according to you is significant.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018668)

So you say that no one should cite a site spouting statistics based on unverified info and then turn right around and give a statistic based on unverified info?

A fair enough point. I guess I should have segued into that one a bit better. Feel free to strike the second paragraph above and replace it with:

"Once the PS3 figures are availble, it will be interesting to see what percentage of the PS3s were sold on eBay. If the current analyst guessimations prove to be accurate, as much as 10% of the PS3s on the market could be on eBay."

You also neglected to note that 30,000 of 600,000 Wii's is about 5% as well, which according to you is significant.

Also a fair point. It's actually closer to 4.5%, but it is a significant number overall. I think the big difference is that the Wii isn't experiencing the same supply problems that the PS3 is. So 4.5% of the units on eBay still means that a lot more people in absolute terms have Wiis in hand to play. (Over 573,000 units.) So the significance of the number is far dimished in comparison to the anemic supply of the PS3.

Re:Before anyone mentions NexGenWars (0, Offtopic)

GeorgeH (5469) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018434)

My biggest problem with NexGenWars isn't the stats behind it, it's the concept. Who won the last gen? In my living room I have a PS2, Xbox and GameCube (retired in favor of the Wii), so for me, everyone. I know that the GC didn't do as well as the PS2 or Xbox, and you could say it "lost" the last gen wars. That means both Sony and Microsoft "won," which isn't an option you can vote for on NexGenWars. How do I vote for the Wii60?

ps3 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017068)

More information about PS3 [communityserver.org]

Vegonomics (4, Funny)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017080)

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=212 [vgcats.com]

never a truer word on this was spoke..

Re:Vegonomics (0)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017108)

Pffft - that's been posted dozens of times. Plus, you beat me to it by about 30 seconds.

Re:Vegonomics (1)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017184)

Still it could have been even more true to life if it somehow could easily show Mr. Kutarchini having to hand his cash+more off to the manufacturer too ;)

Wii like to play... (1)

netglen (253539) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017082)

Wii like to play a PS3 but can't seem to find any. :(

How hard is it to find a Wii at the moment (1)

petabyte (238821) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017866)

As someone who's casually interested in picking one up, how hard are the Wii's to find? Are they going *poof* as soon as shipments get into the stores? I'm probably going to wait until January (just bought a laptop) but even my girlfriend has expressed an interest in it. Naturally I have to investigate :).

Re:How hard is it to find a Wii at the moment (3, Informative)

Fryed (205364) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018092)

For the moment at least, they're still evaporating the moment they hit stores like water hitting a frying pan. Controllers seem to be disappearing even faster - I got my Wii on launch day, but to this day have only been able to get 2 extra controllers and chuks, and those I had to do about a week of searching to find.

By January, they'll probably be easy to get ahold of. If you need one before then, I suggest buddying up to someone at a Toys R Us, Target, or similar store, and finding out the exact moment they plan to unload the Wiis from trucks and put them on the floor.

Go Nintendo! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017090)

I'm glad to see Nintendo doing well right off the bat. I hope they pull through and continue to make a good titles, that way one day may kids can enjoy the great games that company has put out to date.

Fuzzy math (5, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017114)

You really have to take the PS3 sales figure and double it, though.

Cuz each PS3 sells twice. Once at the store, and then again on ebay...

Re:Fuzzy math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017246)

I would say you'd have to halve the sales figure then...

Re:Fuzzy math (1)

yellowjacket03 (470997) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017946)

If only Sony benefitted from that business model ;)

Ebay numbers wrong! (4, Informative)

DinZy (513280) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017126)

Those numbers are the max systems that were available on ebay not the total sold. At one point there were 26000 Wiis and approximately 50 wiis were selling each minute, while more auctions were being listed.

Re:Ebay numbers wrong! (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017280)

At one point there were 26000 Wiis and approximately 50 wiis were selling each minute

Yeah but how many of those Wiis were fake and scams?

Re:Ebay numbers wrong! (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018280)

Not to many, I've been scanning the Wii consoles on ebay for a week now, come across very few scams (aside from the buy an email address thing which is pretty constant, but I've seen none sold for more than a few bucks.) //Hoping the scalpers bought more than there is demand for and that prices will drop below retail by some desperate scalpers. So far no luck, prices have stayed pretty steady.

Analysts (4, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017138)

I know you're not to believe analysts, but earlier this week they were reporting that the Wii had 4 times as many units and that the PS3 launched with between 125,000 and 175,000 units ...

Until NPD releases its November numbers or Sony makes an announcement I think those are about as accurate as we're going to get.

Re:Analysts (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017418)

I know you're not to believe analysts, but earlier this week they were reporting that the Wii had 4 times as many units and that the PS3 launched with between 125,000 and 175,000 units ...

That goes along with what I've been seeing. Anyone have any restock numbers? I know Nintendo has promised a fast restock and Sony has indicated a slow one, but will that be 4-1 like initial sales, or are we talking a different animal entirely?

TW

Heh looks like Sony is a bit embarased (4, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017140)

I couldn't find any sales figures for the PS3, just word that the company has sold all the units it shipped.

You think thats because all reports point to less than 200,000 actually being shipped when Sony swore they would be shipping twice that many?

All of the PS3's sold? (3, Insightful)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017144)

just word that the company has sold all the [PS3] units it shipped


Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me, Sony. And here I was thinking that half of them had been lost somewhere in stockrooms across the country, and another quarter of them were sitting on store shelves while disinterested gamers walked by. I'm certainly glad we got that cleared up.

Wii, PS3 Sell Big In First Week (0, Offtopic)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017170)

...and in other news, water is wet, the sun is hot, and Janet Reno is ugly.

Too early to tell... (4, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017172)

Didn't Dreamcast sell very well at first too? We need to reserve judgement on all 3 consoles for at least a year (maybe more, or maybe less for the 360) before seeing who the winners/losers are.

As of now, "every system Nintendo or Sony makes is sold immediately!" This obviously won't last, and we'll see who eventually comes out on top...

Re:Too early to tell... (0, Redundant)

abaddononion (1004472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017478)

I would agree with this. This is hardly anything new or different. And really, it's becoming more and more of a foregone conclusion these days, because such a high number of PS3's went to resellers. Just because Sony sold every PS3 they shipped doesnt surprise me. Id be more interested as to how sales have been on the secondary market, and that's nearly impossible for an analyst to figure out (although they could make something up. that probably wouldnt break habit). Personally, I have some reservations about the Wii. As a relatively low-power system, which cant handle graphics much more powerful than the Gamecube itself, Im extremely curious to see where the gimmicky console will stand in two years against the larger powerhouse competitors. I mean, if in two years, the Wii is down to 100 bucks, and the PS3 is down to 300 (Im praying, since that's the maximum threshold at which I plan to purchase one), what will people be buying more of? Which will kids be wanting for Christmas? And, more importantly, what will 3rd-party developers be migrating towards? Unless some analysts can give us some really applicable predictions over the next 4 years (which to be fair, none of us would probably believe them anyway), there's no real point in them coming out and announcing the state of these new console sales as they stand right now.

Re:Too early to tell... (4, Interesting)

JayBlalock (635935) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017480)

The Dreamcast was in much the same position as the 360 was last year - it was vastly superior hardware very early to market. The competition at that time, remember, was the PS1 and the N64. (oh, and *snicker* The Saturn) The N64 had already come to be regarded as a cruel joke, and PS1 was showing its age badly, so *everyone* jumped to get a Dreamcast. And for a short time, it was fantastically successful.

Then Sony started lying out their asses about what the PS2 would be like and managed to spread the FUD so thick that people nearly quit buying Dreamcasts completely. (despite the fact that the PS2 was, in reality, only incrementally superior to the DC) Sega's marketing department failed to keep up, and the rest was history.

Point of the story being, the DC situation is unlikely to be repeated in this case. It sort of came out in a weird "in between" time, generationally, rather than this situation where the three consoles have all come out relatively near to each other. (remember, people think of the SNES and the Genesis as being of the same generation, even though they were separated by two years)

So what it's all going to come down to is customer adoption and games. Personally, I think Sony is at an INCREDIBLE disadvantage, one I'd be highly surprised to see them overcome. It's going to come down, I believe, to a slugging match between Microsoft and Nintendo in a war of prettiness and grittiness vs fun and fluffy. And I predict they'll end up at something of an equilibrium, maybe 40% market share each, with the PS3 taking the high-end business but little else.

It's a manufacturing race... (3, Interesting)

alexhmit01 (104757) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017718)

Sony has a built up brand, people want it... (I've normally only owned Nintendo systems, but I can appreciate that the PS1 and PS2 had HUGE markets)... but they can't get product out the door. To win the marathon, Sony needs to make as many sales as possible to people willing to pay high prices, and figure out how to get manufacturing costs down as they lower price to sell more units... first sell to everyone willing to pay $500, then $400, then $300, then $200, etc.

However, Sony will be able to keep selling units for top dollar, which will help them, because demand is so high... but they can't supply the market.

Nintendo appears to have figured out how to get units out the door. It doesn't matter that 2x to 3x the people want a Sony system as a Nintendo system if Sony can't get them off the line and into stores. Nintendo will sell there demand, and some will substitute a Wii for a PS3. Sony blew this launch BADLY. They may win this round, they may make money, they may pull off a lot (they have a LOT of Brand Value), but they screwed up manufacturing.

If Nintendo keeps manufacturing units and selling them, they will sell games and make money. Some third parties may sign up (if you want to launch a game for next Christmas, if Sony doesn't fix its manufacturing problems by mid-year, Nintendo may be a real option for them). The interesting thing is that Nintendo's system is SO different, it isn't straight ports that will work. Last generation, game companies could switch their target system around without much re-jiggering, but Nintendo's system requires a completely different approach because it is so unique.

However, Sony blew the manufacturing... marketing did its job, but they didn't get product out there. I expect Microsoft to be the BIG beneficiary of this, as Sony and Microsoft are much more substitutable (similar hardware, similar controllers, similar target markets), but Nintendo will find itself fighting in the normal market, not just a niche...

Interesting thing as well, Nintendo didn't overspec their system, they may have underspec'd it. That means that they may be able to get costs WAY down. If Sony's botched launch delays games (because nobody wants to sell games to a dead market), Nintendo may be able to keep moving systems and get the costs down fast. If that happens, expect Nintendo to start selling to hardcore gamers because if they can get a $200 package with 2 games out within 24 months, hard core gamers may pick one up to augment their Sony/MS gaming with Nintendo's unique offering.

Nintendo executed, Sony didn't. Kudos to Nintendo. Sony, get your divisions back in sync.

Alex

Re:It's a manufacturing race... (1)

JayBlalock (635935) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018444)

The problem, though, is that people en masse DON'T seem to want it. And don't talk about it "selling out," Sony made sure it was available in such ludicrously small quantities that there was no chance of it NOT selling out. Remember the Slashdot poll a few days before it launched? 10% of geeks want a console that, realistically, is being more aimed at geeks than anyone else.

And the general public? Not at the price Sony's asking. Not when, in all seriousness, they could buy a 360 AND a Wii for the same money. And the fact it's blu-ray could be a lure... except no one gives a crap about blu-ray except the high-enders.

The PS3 is *by design* a specialty high-end consumer item. It is NOT mass market, and could not ever be described as such. There are probably a million people in the country, maybe 2 mil, who would want one... and everyone else is going to buy the competition. If Sony can make money that way, good for them, but they are simply not going to see the kind of sales numbers they did with the PS1/2. Not by a long shot.

Re:Too early to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017754)

Ugh, Dreamcast fanboy.

Isn't there some Amiga/Dreamcast/Xbox Dead Platform forum you should be hanging out in?

Re:Too early to tell... (1)

Kimos (859729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018400)

I dislike Sony as much as the next guy right now, but you're forgetting a pretty key problem with the Dreamcast. Their copy protection had a serious flaw. Or more specifically, a hole big enough to drive a truck through. Near the end of the life of the DC, you could download and burn almost any game you wanted without voiding your warranty.

Re:Too early to tell... (1)

JayBlalock (635935) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018572)

Yeah, when only a tiny, tiny fraction of people had the capability to do so. I believe the "piracy" angle is way overplayed when it comes to the demise of the Dreamcast. There just were not terribly many people who COULD pirate games that easily.

Certainly not enough to sink a console. Unless it was, in fact, already going down. And piracy is a lot better scapegoat than "Our marketing dept is pathetic and let Sony lie to all our potential customers."

Re:Too early to tell... (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017578)

Didn't Dreamcast sell very well at first too? We need to reserve judgement on all 3 consoles for at least a year (maybe more, or maybe less for the 360) before seeing who the winners/losers are.

I generally agree with this statement, but I gotta ask what we judge as "winners" or "losers"?

The DS has better sales in many places than the PSP, but the PSP has sold a heck of a lot of units. It's not that far behind the DS in anyplace but Japan. Despite this, people on Slashdot like to treat it as an "also ran" instead of giving it credit for it's large user base. Is the PSP a loser?

On the other hand, the Gamecube was a very distant third to the PS2. Despite this, many people rightfully pointed out that Nintendo made a profit, and a lot of people enjoyed their console quite a lot. Is the Gamecube a winner?

One of the nextgen consoles is going to sell better than the others. We could call this the winner. But the Xbox has a year head start. If it is always significantly ahead of the others in total sales, do we declare it the winner even if its monthly sales are less?

What do you think?

TW

Re:Too early to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017724)

...many people rightfully pointed out that Nintendo made a profit...

I think you answered your own question.

Re:Too early to tell... (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018506)

Do you not think the PS2 made a profit, or are you saying that everyone that makes a profit is a winner?

False Sony assumption (0, Troll)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017224)

About the "sales figures for the PS3, just word that the company has sold all the units it shipped. "
  Ya right, here in Montreal Future Shop has a lot of 20gig PS3 in store, nobody want it, all wainting for the 60gig.
  what a failure, why even shipping a low end version (at a relative high price) of a high end console
  Ok, Microsoft have doing it, but nobody take it anyway.

Welcome To Next Gen (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017266)

Even though PS2s are still flying off the shelves all over the planet, next gen has finally arrived. For the next few months it is going to be purely a shipment/manufacturing battle between Nintendo and Sony with stock selling out as fast as it arrives on store shelves.

NPD results for November will be out in a week or so and we will have independent confirmation of launch sales - most likely ~600k for Nintendo and ~400k for Sony since there is going to be an extra week of shipments for both consoles. Sony is air freighting PS3s every few days that are arriving in stores. The Wii will most likely be around 1.5 to 1.7 by Christmas and the PS3 around 1 million.

Nintendo historically sells extremely well during the holidays and then not so well during the rest of the year. So I would expect the Wii to have an early lead for the first few months of 2007 and but as PS3 production ramps up to full capacity the PS3 will start to rapidly catch up and pass the Wii in installed base.

The big battle will be in Japan between the Wii and PS3. And the PS3 should easily take NA and Europe. The 360 has pretty much flunked out of the market in the eyes of console players having sold less than the first Xbox after the same amount of time on the market. Right now the 360 has only sold around 4.7 million worldwide, so the Wii and PS3 should start leaving the 360 behind in sales around the middle of 2007.

Re:Welcome To Next Gen (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017348)

WoW ... Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll do you ever give up?

You end up posting similar messages on every thread that mentions the Wii or PS3 yet you never post any link to a source for your information.

Re:Welcome To Next Gen (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017560)

WoW ... Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll do you ever give up?

You end up posting similar messages on every thread that mentions the Wii or PS3 yet you never post any link to a source for your information.
Leave him alone, he makes for a brilliant source of comedy ;)

Re:Welcome To Next Gen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017634)

Comedy?

Take a look at this fags post history:

http://slashdot.org/~VJ42 [slashdot.org]

How's those 360 sales going faggot? Can you say Dreamcast 360...Gold, comedy gold!

Re:Welcome To Next Gen (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018104)

Actually, I don't own any of the "next gen" systems yet. I'm a Brit, so I'm still waiting for the Wii on December the 8th, and PS3 somtime in march next year. I've pre-ordered a Wii. The 360 hasn't got any games that really look intresting to me; I'll see what the PS3 is like when it comes out.
As for my posting history, at least I log in and have one.

Here's to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fan... (4, Funny)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017654)

Here's to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll!
Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll!
Sitting at home in your parents basement with your PS1 and 2 and 3...

Maaaaaaan, thats a lot of consoooooooles....
Or, Mr. Troll, are you playing with a wii?
Tell me, Mr. Troll-man?
So here's to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll...
Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Trooo-oooll!!!

Re:Here's to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward Sony Fan... (1)

ragefan (267937) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018206)

LOL, Great parody on those ads. I'd have modded you up if i had the points.

Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (-1, Flamebait)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017292)

Has anybody actually counted the number of pro-Nintendo/anti-PS3 articles that Zonk has posted here on Slashdot? I find it very hard to believe that Zonk and/or Slashdot is NOT getting paid by Nintendo for this obscenely obvious and constant product promotion combined with anti-PS3 FUD. Personally, I've counted at least 120 pro-Wii/Nintendo articles over the past six months, with at least that many anti-PS3/Sony articles over the same time period.

I think that it's high time that Slashdot come clean and publicize how much they're being paid. As a publicly traded company, I'm pretty sure that there's some kind of SEC regulation concerning this. Any geek attorneys here who can verify (on an informal basis) if Slashdot is violating some SEC laws? It's most definitely unethical. I'm just curious as to how much Slashdot is getting paid.

Come on, Slashdot. show me the money!

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017434)

Ummm ... I saw the stats on another thread and Zonk is dramatically pro-Microsoft and Anti-Sony. On another not, the general media as a whole seem to be anti-Sony after all how unfair is it to point out that Sony has installed a virus on their customer's computers, produced exploding batteries, produced the most expensive videogame system in modern history, used questionable legal practices to put an importer out of buisness, promised a worldwide launch for the PS3 and didn't deliver, and dramatically undersupplied when they did launch the PS3.

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (3, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017476)

Um maybe a lot of the anti-PS3 articles are because EVERYONE HATES THE PS3. Seriously I have yet to see anyone besides gamer mags which we KNOW are paid by Sony (and we know cant speak badly otherwise they would get cut off from ex reporters of said mags) say the PS3 is a good system.

Even the ones who dont flat out hate it, pretty much say its not worth it yet, and the benefits of the system simply are not there compared to the 360.

On the otherhand you have a system thats trying to be different. Everyone knows its not as powerful (infact it got some low marks for that) but its FUN and just about everywhere there are storys of adults and kids playing together.

Until sony does something right, I doubt you will ever see pro-ps3 artcles here or anywhere else thats not paid by Sony in advertising. Simply because as of right now Sony has done nothing right, from dust scratching the system, to poor backwards compatability (after ripping on Microsoft for the same) to forcing Blu-ray on a public that from all reports doesnt care about EITHER HD format.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

icedcool (446975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018336)

Parent has it. People don't like sony, and game mags have(pathetically) been bought.

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018406)

Um maybe a lot of the anti-PS3 articles are because EVERYONE HATES THE PS3.


If everyone hated them, Sony wouldn't be selling any.

Anecdote (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018680)

I have a PS2 and a GameCube. The GameCube has been gathering dust for months, the PS2 is in use most nights. However, I have no interest in the PS3 at this time--but I've ordered a Wii.

So it's not anti-Sony fanboyism. The PS3 really does suck. It's too expensive and there aren't anywhere near enough good games.

NineNine plugs Sony... again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017556)

Get over yourself.

Anyone considering giving this post any creedence whatsoever should look at NineNine's posting history. He's decidedly pro-Sony. Also, it's not FUD when it's true. There's been a ton of anti-PS3 news on Slashdot lately because...wait for it...Sony's screwing up a LOT! And wow! News sites like to print news!

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (1, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017562)

Wow you're a hardcore fanboy.

I've seen a lot more about the PS3 than I have the wii. The wii just gets positive articles because it's very hard to bash it (beyond LOL OLD GRAPHICS) and the PS3 is just a complete mess which is hard to complement.

It's like going "This is a bike, it works perfectly" and then "This is a 13 wheeled bike, it sort of works and it's really cool!" You can't find a fault with the bike but the 13 wheeled bike you can easily.

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (2, Insightful)

Maul (83993) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017692)

Sony has done some things over the past couple years to make itself look more evil than Microsoft.

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017936)

How many pro-Nintendo/anti-Sony comments have you posted?

I think it's high time that you come clean and publicize how much you're being paid.

Re:Zonk plugs Nintendo... again! (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018362)

"I think that it's high time that Slashdot come clean and publicize how much they're being paid."

Nintendo must be paying off nearly every game site out there. Good thing they've got deep pockets and a competitor that has a high price, low supply, half-assed controller, and the death of Lik-Sang under their belt.

Meanwhile MS claims they won launch week... (3, Informative)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017336)

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?i d=150030 [computeran...ogames.com]

I cant speak for anyone else but I have a hard time believing that Gears managed to move that many consoles. I was out shopping quite a bit last week and saw lots of wii's being sold but didnt more than a handful of 360's though all the stores I shopped had plenty. Of course the way that Sony and Microsoft count sales is how many ship to retail (including the ones sitting on the shelves) where Nintendo actually counts units sold.

How many of those were busted? (4, Informative)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017388)

I always have to question whether or not those numbers can be trusted.

I bought my Wii and received it early last week. Plug it in, have it find my WPA-encrypted wireless network and proceed with my first system update. You need the firmware update to do anything online. Bong -- 110213 error (Google it -- a good number of people got it). Afterwards the system refused to go online (no virtual console goodness, no more firmware updates, etc). The predominant opinion is that the Wii doesn't CRC the firmware before installing it, resulting in semi-bricked consoles.

Called up Nintendo and, after 30 minutes on hold, I got someone. To their credit, they immediately sent another console out (received it yesterday). It was already updated to the latest firmware. Looks refurbished, but I guess I don't have a choice.

I'm personally very interested in what percentage of those numbers are "usable" systems. 95%? 99%? Even if only 1% are busted, that's still a considerable number of machines.

Re:How many of those were busted? (3, Insightful)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017534)

How can it 'look' refurbished when it's been out less than two weeks? Given that they opened the box up to do the firmware update before they sent it to you, there are very few pieces of evidence that could identify a refurbished system vs a new one that was plugged in once to install an update.

Re:How many of those were busted? (2, Informative)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018254)

How can it 'look' refurbished when it's been out less than two weeks?


The system had small scratches and the serial number was already registered.

Also, Nintendo apparently sold some machines that were previously preview/PR machines (Google it). Many of those boxes talked about requiring a startup disc (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message ?board.id=wii_tech&message.id=213). So those machines were months old -- not two weeks old.

Given that they opened the box up to do the firmware update before they sent it to you, there are very few pieces of evidence that could identify a refurbished system vs a new one that was plugged in once to install an update.


You mean outside the serial number being registered to someone in Washington, DC?

Also, why did they need to open the box up at all? They weren't required to pre-update the firmware on the replacement system -- just send me the replacement. What I should of received was a new system without the firmware update. No scratches, not preregistered.

By the way "pieces of evidence"? It's a console, not a crime scene. No need to get all defensive. So Nintendo made some bum machines -- these things happen.

Re:How many of those were busted? (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017602)

does it matter it's refurbished? You sent in a what 2 days old Wii and got one at most 7 days old. As long as it wasn't damaged in any way will that 5 days (at most) matter?

Re:How many of those were busted? (1, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018286)

Nintendo sent out some systems that were previously PR/demonstration units (Google). You can tell those systems from others because the box talked about a startup disc (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message ?board.id=wii_tech&message.id=213).

Regardless, why does it matter? Read my other response. The Wii I received had scratches and was already registered to someone in Washington, DC. My guess is that that person had similar problems to me, sent it back to Nintendo, they wiped the firmware and sent it to me.

Re:How many of those were busted? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017720)

How can you get a refurbished console when they haven't had any to refurbish?

Also, I've had my GameCube serviced, and when I got it back, it looked like it was in pristine condition.

As far as CRC goes...you'd have to be completely retarded to do that. Especially considering that the game downloads are already secured, most likely with a hash. If you're smart enough to know to use a hash to protect game downloads, you probably know to do it for patches too. And considering I haven't heard of anyone downloading a corrupted game, I think the firmware probably encountered a different issue.

That said, there's still a laundry list of changes I'd make to the interface. The biggest one is to make it so that connection attempts can be cancelled. I had to power off my Wii last night after ten minutes or more of trying to connect to the Shop Channel (I turned it on and switched on Futurama, and by the time the episode was over, it hadn't moved).

Re:How many of those were busted? (0)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018370)

How can you get a refurbished console when they haven't had any to refurbish?


The machines have been manufactured for months. Some people actually bought demonstration/PR units that Nintendo repackaged (you can tell by the box talking about a startup disc: http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message? board.id=wii_tech&message.id=213 [nintendo.com] ).

Outside this, a good number of people have had issues. What they're probably doing is taking those systems, wiping them and sending them back out. There are definitely refurbished machines out there.

Re:How many of those were busted? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017768)

Even if only 1% are busted, that's still a considerable number of machines.

The number I heard was "less than 1%", which even at 1% is better than most. Average Consumer electronics range between 3%-4%, and the early batches of PS2's hit 13%. It's like Dead pixels on LCD's. They happen in manufacturing, and the manufacturer will fix it under the warranty. Nintendo also offers a 90 day extension to their 1 year warranty if you registered the system.

Nintendo claimed that the 'Firmware itself' didn't cause the error, but exposed a hardware defect. That's why they are sending people new Wii's, rather than Firmware disks to reflash them.

Re:How many of those were busted? (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018058)

From what I've read, Wiis that get an error when updating have a manufacturing defect - it's not caused by a network error or lack of checksumming. How many suffer from the defect will probably never be known, but I don't think it's anywhere close to 1%.

Does any one know...? (1)

boot1973 (809692) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017390)

...how many units Nintendo have to sell to be in the black (i.e. after development/manufacturing and marketing cost)? From reading other posts on /. I understand Nintendo are actually going to (or intend to) make a profit on the consoles. There obviously has to be a break even number before that occurs so what is it?. As for the PS3 if Sony always intend to make a loss on every PS3 unit sold how many games will they have to sell to make a profit?

I'm guessing that any numbers are going to be largely speculative but it would be nice to know rough figures.

any ideas?

Re:Does any one know...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17018144)

first time posting

Nintendo is already in the black for the wii ( as far as I know ) they make something like $100 off each one they sell ( don't quote me )

Re:Does any one know...? (1)

Erioll (229536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018422)

True that they make a profit on the hardware of each one, but that still doesn't cover all of the development & marketing costs overall for the company for this entire project.

The OP's question is quite valid.

Re:Does any one know...? (1)

mjhacker (922395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018594)

Nintendo is already in the black for the wii ( as far as I know ) they make something like $100 off each one they sell ( don't quote me )

Oops.

/.'s comic relief (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017442)

Zonk, you're the Tattoo [wikipedia.org] of /.

$ony PS3 did not sell that big, please (1)

TheDoctorWho (858166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017462)

360 sold more. Don't be so dumb next time.

From what I here and see, WII has the advantage (1, Funny)

gurps_npc (621217) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017488)

Wii went for "new controller" + "cheap".

PS3 went for "Blu-ray" + "High end chips"

Sony took the conservative route, using the same old selling tactics that have worked in the past.

Nintendo went for the radical chance route. It will either sell HUGE, making a mockery of PS3, or flop.

I am betting on huge. Granted, much will depend on the quality of the games that Nintendo can get out there quick.

But the honest truth is that current video games suffer from fat-slob-with-tired-thumb. It is not just a stereotype, there is some truth to it.

The Wii has the possibility of changing that. People's ARMS are getting sore, instead of thumbs. They may actually get exercise. This could just change the game radically, forever.

Imagine the day when everyone's picture of a gamer is someone with bulging arm muscles instead of bulging bellies.

Gyms could buy them and put in huge screens.

Hot cheerleaders might actually go for the gamers. A guy can dream...

Re:From what I here and see, WII has the advantage (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017640)

Nintendo did nothing that Arcades haven't been doing for years. The difference is they brought their shit home rather than leaving it in a huge noisy arcade.

Re:From what I here and see, WII has the advantage (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018198)

Last time I went to the arcade (a few months ago as a matter of fact), I saw that anything with motion-sensitive controllers of any kind (usually guns) were done via infrared sensors. Wii uses gyroscopes, and in my experience, it's quite more accurate.

Re:From what I here and see, WII has the advantage (1)

boot1973 (809692) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017658)

But the honest truth is that current video games suffer from fat-slob-with-tired-thumb. It is not just a stereotype, there is some truth to it.
How dare you? I'm a gamer and i never suffer with tired thumbs! You watch what you say!

Gyms could buy them and put in huge screens.
a "Gym"? Nope not as clue, sorry.

Hot cheerleaders might actually go for the gamers
I see you're also a comedian.

Re:From what I here and see, WII has the advantage (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018394)

Wii's "different-ness" is a really big advantage, because lots of people who buy an Xbox360 OR PS3 will eventually end up buying a Wii TOO. Or, if they're dying for a PS3 but can't get one by Christmas, will buy their Wii FIRST... then keep pushing the PS3 purchase off until summer or next Christmas because the Wii will keep them happy enough to willingly wait for PS3 prices to drop a bit.

IMHO, a big group of Xbox360 and PS3 early adopters are people also buying their first HDTV around the same time, who are dying to buy anything that says, "HDTV" on it. People who've owned HDTVs for a few years already know that the difference between a Wii's 480p and an Xbox360/PS3's 720p or 1080i is visible, but nowhere near as breathtakingly-dramatic as less-experienced HDTV owners think it will be (native 1080p60, is another matter entirely... but we're at least 5-10 years away from 1080p60 videogames even being a whispered fantasy, let alone a SKU at Best Buy).

Going unnoticed... (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017512)

This has gone largely unnoticed, but Microsoft has started a hell of a holiday XBOX 360 campaign, based on the practical idea that they can steal potential sales from Sony because there don't seem to be any PS3s available for retail, so they'll buy 360s instead.

The Wii seems to have stolen a little bit off Microsoft's thunder, which they may or may not have expected (since both Sony and MS are buying into the "Nintendo isn't in our market" byline). The console currently has an 8 million to 600,000 lead... I'm wondering if, at the end of 2007, when the score is much closer (Nintendo will put out 8 million consoles by July at the rate of 250,000 per week) and everyone gets to see if the Wii really does have a broader market, MS will be changing its tune.

Re:Going unnoticed... (3, Funny)

Conanymous Award (597667) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018060)

Don't want to be an asshat nitpicker, but this just seemed funny to me:

"This has gone largely unnoticed, but Microsoft has started a hell of a holiday XBOX 360 campaign..."

If it has gone largely unnoticed, can we really call it "a hell of a campaign"? On the other hand, if there's anybody in the world able to pull off such a thing (a largely unnoticed hell of a campaign, that is), it's probably Micro"Zuma"soft.

Hiding the truth... (1)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017596)

Of course you can't easily find sales numbers for the PS3. The fact is that they claimed 400,000 would be available at launch. Turns out it's more like 125,000. Sony can't exactly just come out and be proud that *all* 125,000 sold out, because then the real story would be the fact that so few units were actually produced (well short of expectations).

Nintendo, on the other hand, only has good news all around to report.

PS3 (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017750)

I couldn't find any sales figures for the PS3

Sony was quite reserved on saying how much units will be at launch. IIRC, Sony has said last year that at launch will be about 10mln units. Over the year, the figure shrunk to 2mln.

Before launch, Sony was quite silent, but industry watchers have estimated that Sony production lines can pull 200k units every month and during 3 month in production befiore launch, Sony could have had max 600k units at launch.

P.S. Figure of 800k units was also rumored.

Give me some meaningful numbers (1, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017804)

That's a rate of nearly one per second continuously since the November 19 launch

How about the length of Wiis side-by-side in number of football fields?

How many Volkswagen Beetlefuls?

Re:Give me some meaningful numbers (1)

caffeinatedOnline (926067) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018110)

You must be new here.... How many Library's of Congress does that fill? ...is the proper question ;)

Re:Give me some meaningful numbers (1)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018244)

How many angels can dance on the head of a Wiimote?

Official PS3 numbers (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017886)

I can't reveal the exact number of units sold in US as that's a trade secret, but both units were sold.

Not to be pedantic, but... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17017902)

Wii sold through more than 600,000 units in the Americas in just its first eight days of availability. That's a rate of nearly one per second continuously since the November 19 launch!
600000/8 units/day * 1/24 day/hr * 1/60 hr/min * 1/60 min/sec = 0.868 units/sec

If I got 86.8% on an exam, should I go around saying that it's "nearly 100%"?

Does anyone know (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17017990)

how many units the Xbox 360 sold in the same timeframe?

The Counter-Strike of Game Consoles (2, Interesting)

Colin E. McDonald (837162) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018128)

I was just looking last night for some stats on sales. I have never been a console fan and I have been a PC Gamer since the IBM PC Jr. but the GameCube changed all that. It was the gameplay and the feel of the controls. I couldn't stand the X-Box or the PS2 hand controls after coming from a PC and was often owned by my kids in FPS which I still think is an exercise in futility on consoles. The GameCube changed that and I really began to enjoy titles such as the 007 and the family oriented games really brought my kids and I together where before we were isolated in our own little PC/console gaming experiences (not that I get much time for it anymore). When I saw the Wii advertised a few months back I instantly saw something that I had been looking for in a gaming experience and that was physical immersion. Of course it was all marketing hype and I would have to see it to believe it. I was also sick of hearing people talk about what a badass system the X-Box and X-Box 360 were knowing that it was nothing more than a crappy PC. I would say, "why not build your own gaming PC and get a really good experience with FPS games". "Well Halo 2 is awesome on the X-Box 360!." I decided to check it out and played Halo 2 for a couple of hours at my in-laws house and to me Halo on the PC blew it away. Yes, the slick cases and "skins" and all of that marketing crap make it seem cool to my kids but it just irked me that it was in no way innovative but then you had to shell out immense amounts of cash for all the items to make it worth playing or owning such as a large hard drive, wireless nic, wireless controllers, headsets, x-box-live. And then PS3 was coming out with an even more expensive system with a HD DVD that could end up going the same way that the PSP's disc format (with movies) went and that is to the grave. Launching with zero titles that I would want on top of that. It seemed like they (MS and Sony) were trying to do what all the home-gamekit builders and outfits like alienware and others had already done a million times better but due to marketing would make you accept that you had to have it and that it was the greatest thing ever. It just pissed me off. I continued to follow the Wii and read about its concepts and Nintendo's approach to development and it just seemed very cool. So for the first time in my life I actually went and stood in line for a game-system on Black Friday with my kids. We ended up getting turned away at a mall Gamestop but I tried a standalone EB-games where in the dark hours of the am I found a group of 5 people waiting for the store to open. My kids and I were 6th in line. When we got in i asked them how many Wiis they had in stock, already knowing that I wouldn't be able to get one and already having decided that I wouldn't waste any more of my time as Thanksgiving livestock. The guy said he had 5 systems and I thought everyone in line was getting one. One guy ahead of me bought a PS3 and a Wii. I stayed in line anyway even though it looked bad and my kids were with me so it would be even more dissappointing for them as the excitement had been mounting for a couple of days. Well, this lady turns around to me and says, "You are going to get one". I kept wondering what she was talking about and lo and behold she was buying her grandkid a PSP. We stepped up and asked for the last Wii and he pulled the bag up with all of the the launch stuff in it and we were just totally jazzed. My oldest boy actually made the sound of angels heralding (cheesy movie/cartoon rendition) when they put the bag on the counter. The kids were off for Turkey Day and we spent the rest of the day having one hell of a time with the new system. I haven't had this much fun playing a game and feeling immersed since I first played the text version of Hitchhikers Guide on my PCJr. The new controls are just amazing and the design of the system both on the physical level and within the Wii menu was just completely sweet. I can really see this system becoming a cornerstone for family entertainment. My wife, who has never had any interest in consoles, was playing Zelda last night and kicking some rabid eggplant ass and having a great time with it. Swinging her sword around. You should have seen it. The dance part of Rayman when you are zapping rabbits to the surf tune that they used in Resevoir Dogs was too much fun. I loved Counter-Strike both the original and source and CS has to be one of the greatest games ever. Most folks that are in my clan still like to play the old cs and yes the graphics suck but you don't care once you get down on a Dust map. That to me is the key ingredient to the success of any game. Gameplay. Adaptability and expansion due to limited constraints and the ability to engage multiple people and bring them together in an immersive environment and suspend your reality. I think CS did this and I think the Wii does this for consoles. While one is a game and another a system I think the analogy fits. I'll quit babbling but I haven't been excited about new technology in years. To me using and exploring, computers and gaming and the internet was like wanting to be an astronaut in the 60s and 70s. You just wanted to explore and experience amazing stuff and have a great time doing it with your fellow astronauts. I own my own IT company and pretty much can't stand computers anymore outside of my work (or inside but don't tell anyone!!11). The commercialization of the net and the constant bullshit that is flying all over the place just seems like a complete waste of something extremely amazing. Linux and Open Source kind of brought back that good feeling but it soon became daily grind like the rest. I really just started not to give a shit and began to push my interests/hobbies back into the physical world with motorcycling (2006 Ninja ZX-6r, Yessss) and writing, playing guitar, etc. You have to be passionate about what you do and it comes through your work and your character. The Wii has lit a dieing fire for me. I'm excited about the possibilities again and it feels like I might be an astronaut some day. Hehehe. CM

How is this an indication market strength? (1)

gt_mattex (1016103) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018200)

If I have 10 customers who demand a product I have and I only provide 4 of course they'll sell immediately. I don't know if that could be called selling well especially in contrast to another system in a similar circumstance.

When next gen systems are in abundance and one them trounces the others then I would say it's selling well.

The Math.... (4, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018368)

Sony loses $300+ per unit.
Retailer makes maybe $50 after they pay all the extra security.
Ebayers make $500-1500/unit minus...
the Ebay makes 5.25% + Paypal 2.90% = 8.15% of that (more then the retailer most likely)
And then of course all the violence, injuries, and robberies.

Sony got screwed royally, and everyone else won the lottery.

Console developers need to get their shit together and learn what a Dutch Auction is.

WTF ? (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 7 years ago | (#17018498)

Nintendo also added that sales of the Wii's highly anticipated launch title, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, has already has achieved sales of more than 454,000 units in the Americas, a figure which it notes represents in excess of of 75 percent of all hardware purchasers."
Can anyone decipher that for me ?

As it reads, 454,000 SOFTWARE purchases exceeds 75% of all HARDWARE purchase(r)s. Does that mean 75% of all wii purchases, or 75% of all console purchases ? If it's the latter, does that mean non-wii owners have been buying this game (if that's at all possible) ?
For people who are supposedly "in the media" their writing skills need a lot to be desired.

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