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Grad-School Thesis Becomes PS3 Game

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the hitting-the-bigtime dept.

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Carl Bialik from WSJ writes, "USC student Jenova Chen's Flash game, 'flOw,' attracted interest from Sony, which commissioned an enhanced version that will be sold through its PlayStation Network, WSJ.com reports. From the article: 'Gameplay is incredibly smooth, particularly for a Flash game. But it's the design touches that set flOw apart. Players will notice faint outlines of the creatures lurking at lower depths, a foreboding sign that vicious manta- and squid-like enemies await. The water darkens as the creature advances to deeper levels. The game's ambient sound is somewhat hypnotic. The intuitive controls and design simplicity are among Mr. Chen's mandate: build immersive games for people who don't consider themselves gamers. 'My parents and grandparents don't play games. My girlfriend, she doesn't play either,' he says. 'I want to make games that those people can appreciate.'"

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"My girlfriend, she doesn't play either." (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029616)

No wonder he has the time to create games. Poor bastard.

Re:"My girlfriend, she doesn't play either." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029674)

Neither does your wife =))

Re:"My girlfriend, she doesn't play either." (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17031982)

Except with well-hung Afro-American niggers, or so I heard.

Re:"My girlfriend, she doesn't play either." (5, Funny)

stud9920 (236753) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030650)

I bet she does ! Nudge, nudge, Know what I mean?

Re:"My girlfriend, she doesn't play either." (3, Funny)

Jearil (154455) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032132)

Unfortunately no. *sighs*

Dupe-a-riffic (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029622)

DUPE [slashdot.org]

Wow, that story got a whole 4 comments! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029700)

Not surprising it was duped - almost noticed it the first time.

Re:Wow, that story got a whole 4 comments! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029898)

Um, 62 comments, actually.

Good (5, Insightful)

Ekhymosis (949557) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029626)

It's about time someone decides to make a game that doesn't depend on the bleeding edge graphics, but focuses more on gameplay and fun factor. I hope Sony doesn't rape this student's idea.

Sigh, I miss the lucas arts adventure games days. Crap graphics, damn good fun.

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

Brain Damaged Bogan (1006835) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029644)

"It's about time someone decides to make a game that doesn't depend on the bleeding edge graphics, but focuses more on gameplay and fun factor." umm... Nintendo have been doing this for years... and has made this the major focus of the Wii... I'm surprised that Nintendo didn't go grab this guy before sony...

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029694)

Crap graphics!? An insult! Are you really saying that Monkey Island 2 or The Dig weren't a couple of the prettiest examples of pixelart ever to grace a gamer's screen? You sure as hell better not be including the wonderful world of Grim Fandango in your reference. Gah!

Oh and look up Nintendo -> Wii. Sheesh. Everyone always drags out this tired argument of "Games today don't care about anything but graphics" and ignore all the hojillion great games we have available that aren't all about the shiny graphics. We have more choice in gameplay NOW than ever!

Re:Good (2, Insightful)

scoot80 (1017822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029774)

I agree - a lot of games these days with slick graphics, but poor gameplay. A game which really involves you is going to be good regardles of whether it has DirectX 40343233 or is text mode. Hell, has anyone played LORD on a BBS before?

Re:Good (1)

Charles W Griswold (848651) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030464)

I agree - a lot of games these days with slick graphics, but poor gameplay.

*cough* Halo *cough*

A game which really involves you is going to be good regardles of whether it has DirectX 40343233 or is text mode. Hell, has anyone played LORD on a BBS before?

Dude! *Googles "Legend of the Red Dragon" [google.com] *

Re:Good (1)

richy freeway (623503) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030664)

LORD rocked. Dialling up every day just to advance a small amount. Fantastic. :D

Re:Good (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032166)

One word: Trade Wars 2000 :)

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

ectal (949842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032078)

Yes, LucasArts adventure games are gorgeous!

Are the graphics-obsessed gamers of today simply victims of advertising? Programmed to forget what impressed them yesterday and to discard everything that isn't NEW NEW NEW?

What was gorgeous on the PS2 (ICO, for instance) is now in the category of HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE? Games from Xbox 1 that made me drop my jaw once (DOA3) are now crude, primitive reminders of a forgotten time? Or how about that "terrible" GameCube with that "awful-looking" and "low-res" Resident Evil 4 game that came out not that freakin' long ago?

It's getting so boring! In my world, you have to go back 20+ years to start talking about most things looking ugly. And what about games like Metroid on the NES? Aren't those great graphics? Didn't that old Mac game Dark Castle have incredible graphics? What about the first Prince of Persia?

No, no, no. Not to today's zombie consumer gamers or zombie whore game reviewers... If it came out more than a year ago or if it's on the Wii, it's got crappy graphics.

The first Half-Life, every Zelda game, POP: Sands of Time, Morrowind, Halo, you name it... Fun to play? Sure. But I guess the graphics are now crap, crap, crap, crap, crap...

You must have missed it. (4, Informative)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029698)

Katamari Damacy [wikipedia.org]

Re:You must have missed it. (3, Interesting)

SnowZero (92219) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032536)

Believe it or not, but Katamari Damacy was a challenging game to make work from a graphics standpoint. There was a good article about it in Game Developer magazine a while back. The katamari ball builds up a huge number of objects, thus necessitating the use of low-poly models, even after fancy depth-based culling was implemented for the ball. What's funny is that they turned that "limitation" into a feature by going for a retro look, and nailed it. Along with the simple controls, an excellent soundtrack, and a very different concept of success/failure, it was an instant classic. It does push a playstation to its limits on a triangle-rate basis though.

Re:Good (3, Funny)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029724)

Yeah, im really glad the PS3 doesnt focus on having the best graphics. I mean, with an innovative, never before seen motion sensitive controller, the SIXAXIS, and its small size and low price, the PS3 is clearly the "lets all get together and have fun" system. Someone call Grandma, i think she'd like to play Call of Duty.

Clearly, the Nintendo Wii, with its copy-catted motion sensitive controller design, and being overly concerned with having "next gen" graphics, as well as many other "gimmicks", i can see the Wii flailing about like the PSP ad.

Ok, that was all pretty harsh. I did play fl0w (it was availble for the PC for a while), and it was very good. Im not sure if it was the full version or not, but it was quite short and i couldnt really imagine buying it.

Oh, and uhh, down with Sony and all that obligatory ranting.

-Red

Re:Good (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030026)

do they focus on having the highest pricetag? What's the point really? I think the only thing I like about PS3 is that it can play PS2.

Re:Good (1)

weierstrass (669421) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031230)

funny, the best thing about the PS2 was that it could play original playstation games.

Re:Good (3, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029758)

It's about time someone decides to make a game that doesn't depend on the bleeding edge graphics, but focuses more on gameplay and fun factor.

Yeah, like Microsoft and Geometry Wars [wikipedia.org] .

Sigh, I miss the lucas arts adventure games days. Crap graphics, damn good fun.

Way to rewrite history, there. LucasArts adventure games had quite good graphics at the time. Certainly better than their competition from Sierra. They're not that great now, but one of the draws of LucasArts games was their excellent graphics direction (not necessarily the best graphics, but consistent and appropriate to the game). Sure shoots a hole in your theory, eh?

Why can't you have both gameplay and graphics? For example, Zelda: Twilight Princess is fun (even though we've all played the game before several times), but it would be better with better graphics. Gears of War has great gameplay and graphics. Yes, some companies do focus on graphics to the detriment of gameplay (*cough*EA*cough*), but that's not everybody.

Re:Good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17030092)

Way to rewrite history, there. LucasArts adventure games had quite good graphics at the time. Certainly better than their competition from Sierra. They're not that great now, but one of the draws of LucasArts games was their excellent graphics direction (not necessarily the best graphics, but consistent and appropriate to the game). Sure shoots a hole in your theory, eh?


I suppose you're arguing about the point-and-click style games? Well... you could argue that the Myst series had excellent graphics, too - and a substantial number of gamers (and "historians" like yourself) would agree with you, while others (like me) think they were boring, non-interactive and too cinematic (much like the old LucasArts games, but admittedly with much better graphics than those).

But really, how's it anything but a subjective opinion? I believe Myst and Riven are the only games my mom has ever enjoyed, for instance. And even I still remember how much fun it was to discover the different endings of many of those LucasArts games, way back when.

But I'd never say the Lucas Arts games were "historically significant" because of their graphics, though. Illustrative and "appropriate" as you contend, perhaps... there were FAR superior games graphically in that day and age, even on the NES - just look at... any side scroller. Ones with ghosts that appeared out of nowhere with intensifying opacity, and convincing lightning, rain & snow, and all the hallmarks of "video game realism", all in less than 20 colors. The Ninja Gaiden's come to mind... even had theatrical cutscenes.

Maniac Mansion, on the other hand, could (for the most part) be done as a text-based game and still retain some of its fun. Ninja Gaiden? Right.

I don't even care, I just don't like trolls who whoop out the old strawman for the sake of their karma. He didn't have a theory, and he certainly didn't rewrite history! You gave him a theory for you to shoot down. Very simple. And it worked, you got your stupid karma points.

*cough*strawman*cough*

Re:Good (1)

MeanMF (631837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029852)

Well...Crap graphics or not, in this case the game gets boring pretty quickly.

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029870)

I'm sorry, but I think all the hype about this game is ridiculous. Everyone I know who's actually played the game did so for maximum half an hour never to play it again after. Mod me down if you want, but I think this is bullshit. I'm not saying the game itself isn't well made, because it certainly is, but it does NOT appeal to many people and it doesn't even follow the pretentious thesis that it's supposedly designed after.

Re:Good (3, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030220)

I'm sorry, but I think all the hype about this game is ridiculous. Everyone I know who's actually played the game did so for maximum half an hour never to play it again after.

I sat down and played the game. It was fun, and had an extremely simple and intuitive interface. For a flash game it had quite a high degree of polish. I'm not sure of its replay value as it stands however. As you suggest, I played for about half an hour but don't find myself feeling any particular desire to continue or go back to it. The weakness, ultimately, is the relative sameness of the gameplay as you advance - there simply isn't anything particularly new or different; nothing to aspire to achieve. Of course in a full blown version there will likely be rather more effort put into developing and extending the levels so that new material can be introduced as you proceed - perhaps the "evolution" steps could introduce significant new skills so as to overcome new challenges etc.

So I guess I both agree and disagree with you. Yes the game, as it stands, is intriguing but lacks replay value. On the other hand the base is reasonably strong, and if someone creative can expand upon that to creater a longer fuller game experience... so much the better.

Re:Good (4, Informative)

pla (258480) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030554)

I'm sorry, but I think all the hype about this game is ridiculous. Everyone I know who's actually played the game did so for maximum half an hour never to play it again after.

I'd have to agree with you, and I will admit that I did enjoy it for that half-hour.

As the biggest problem I see with turning it into a "real" game, it lacked any conceptual hooks whereby you could flesh it out into something that would take significantly longer than that half hour to finish.

I suppose they could add bigger, meaner enemies (though by the lowest depths, the enemies had already gotten absurdly complex - More than once, I found myself chasing a fast enemy in tight circles, slowly wearing it down by eating 10 of its energy pellets for every 9 it nabbed from me). They could stick in artificial "quests" such as the old standby of find-the-keys and save-the-princess-slash-hostage. They could break it into more expansive worlds for each depth (though then how do you prevent the player from killing 27,416,318 bunnies at the first level by locking the controller in a tight turn for a week, then breezing through the rest?), but just about anything you tack onto it would detract from the original intuitive UI design.


Oh well, good luck to Sony with that. Perhaps they will make something good out of it - I suppose, with a lot of artificiality tacked on, they could manage something as playable as E.V.O. for the SNES. And in five years, when the PS3 goes for $50 and its games for $10 on the used market, I might even pick it up and give it a try.

Re:Good (4, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030868)

I've played Flow all the way to the bottom and onto the next level and I sort of agree with what you are.

Part of the problem with the game is there are no obvious instructions as what you're meant to do. It turns out you eat everything in site (except the blues & reds that move you up and down). You even eat the humongous creatures by going for the spots in their body. Once you get all the spots the creature (without it eating you in turn), it will dissolve into bits that you eat.

But it is a trippy experience and I can see that the game could be fleshed out in interesting ways, or even make a cool screensaver. BTW, Want to know what happens when you get to the bottom? You start again in an orange ocean as a different creature.

Next level you become circle monster (3, Informative)

spineboy (22918) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031156)

You start out on a yellow screen as a circle monster, after finishing off the centipede looking creature on the bottom of the first set of blue levels. The centipede drops a yellow dot, you eat it and evolve into a circle monster creature. I keep eating stuff and made my way to the bottom using the red "go deeper" dots and eventually fought a long snake creature, like I was on the first level. After deafeating him, I worked my way UP to the top and was able to kill off the large orange paramecium type creatures, that before I had to run away from. After I got back to the top - no more levels to do.

Re:Good (2, Insightful)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029946)

Seems like it's an odd choice for Sony to try for "normal people". With a $600 system they shouldn't be making games for anyone but hardcore gamers..

Re:Good (1, Offtopic)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030416)

The reason it costs $600 is that it does more.

It's plays PS3, PS2 and PS1 games.

It plays Blu-ray and DVD movies

It has a built in web browser

It plays MP4 video downloaded to it's HD or via USB mass storage device.

Same goes for photos

It can play audio CD's and rip them to it's HD in either ATRAC, AAC or MP3 format, no PC required.

But it's also a personal computer, if you install Linux, which is officially supported and could be done the day of launch.

Re:Good (4, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030824)

And it can be used to press wild flowers
And you can build houses out of it (if you buy enough units)
And "PS3" upside down looks like "ESd"
*And* it fits in your pocket ! (if you have very large pockets)

What a deal !

Re:Good (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031594)

My PS2 plays PS2 games and my PS1 plays PS1 games. I have a computer. I am only missing two features from the bunch, but I don't have an HDTV so one of those features is moot. $600 for one of those features seems a little steep in my books...

Re:Good (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032664)

It's one box that does the work of 3. Not everybody wants to have a half dozen game systems hooked up to their TV's.

And even if you don't have an HDTV all those functions are still there.

Re:Good (4, Informative)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029952)

I work at Sony Computer Entertainment America in their FPQA division (I'm a game tester)

While I really cannot legally spill any details about any of the current projects that are in this department, I will say if you enjoyed the original flash game, the enhanced version will be a treat.

Rest assured, the idea was not raped.

Re:Good (1)

benplaut (993145) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030324)

Oh my goodness! Flash on PPC!
Linux mavens rejoice?

Re:Good (1)

WhoBeDaPlaya (984958) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030466)

Actually, the graphics were pretty damned nice for their day. Sam 'n Max, DOTT, Full Throttle, Indiana Jones, etc.
Damn, time to bust out DOSBox again :P

Re:Good (1)

Goldsmith (561202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030676)

I totally agree. People may point to the Wii as a good example of design over brute strength, but it's still just a new technology. Without good, creative games, none of that fancy stuff will be any fun. A couple of new lucas arts style adventure games would be a lot of fun to play on any system.

What about Duke Nukem Forever? (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032314)

I hear tell that the pixel artists are so hard to find that that's causing the delay....

You want your grandparents to game? (4, Funny)

PaulB007 (1033202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029636)

For the grandparents, try suggesting "The Depression: Revisited" It will be an MMORPG based on the hardships of 30's living. You will get to experience the thrills, and the excitement of living in this time. You can choose to live in a Hooverville, even better, work someones field for them at a nickle an hour, and maybe you will be able to buy a few pieces of bread to keep your character alive. Feel the excitement of jumping onto a train! If you miss, well your fault. Blood and gore of bodies cut in half by the trains. Go to work in a factory! You can start producing weapons to bring back those good time memories of the beginning of World War II.

Re:You want your grandparents to game? (1)

Laxitive (10360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029934)


Why would you think seniors are compelled by games that simulate the past?

Re:You want your grandparents to game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17031052)

He's met some?

Also for PS3's "older crowd"... (4, Funny)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029962)

I think my folks are holding out for the action-packed title "When I Was Your Age: Walking Home From School In the Snow, Uphill, Both Ways".

It's a sort of FPS/RTS hybrid game. The atmospherics alone are going to blow your mind.

Re:Also for PS3's "older crowd"... (1)

PaulB007 (1033202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030022)

An FPS, rofl. Does this take place in the deep north, where they have to fight off polar bears on their walks to school?

Re:Also for PS3's "older crowd"... (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030588)

Snowball fight!

I've Always Wanted to Say This... (0, Redundant)

cacepi (100373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029668)

Dupe! [slashdot.org]

Re:I've Always Wanted to Say This... (4, Funny)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029810)

How ironic... post screaming DUPE gets modded redundant.

Re:I've Always Wanted to Say This... (0, Redundant)

UCSCTek (806902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030100)

Too bad we can't mod mods...

Squid??? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029676)

Yea.. when I want my father or my girlfriend to play a game, I just tell them "Keep playing.. THERE'S SQUID!"

I don't mean this to be a troll.. I'm just saying things like Nintendogs are a little more compelling than "Find the darker water with the giant squid. Then kill it, and you'll find even MORE, DARKER squids!"

For non-gamers, Cute puppies > Ugly squid, that's all I'm saying.. and that's not even bringing Sims 2 into it.. my girlfriend couldn't understand why I liked building houses and stuff until she actually got the hang of it. Now it's one of her primary relaxation games, and frankly, her being entertained is worth a hell of a lot more than what I spent on it (especially since it frees the TV up for me to play Saint's Row hehehe)

Not a fanboy of any system, just my own experience and opinion :)

Re:Squid??? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029980)

i played through the snake line to then end battling another great snake to it's death, then i evolved into the yellow background and was a ring monster, stopped playing because ring monsters are annoying to play, though nearly unkillable the ring monster is slower and less agile than the snake, and useless against snakes which you always end up feeding a moment before your change to kill it as a result of having your vulnerable bits posiitoned around your mouth

Re:Squid??? (2, Funny)

aldo.gs (985038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030000)

Well... perhaps it may work with your girlfriend: "Keep going, and reach the GIANT SQUID!" (of course most probably we're exaggerating here...)

/.ed already? (1)

eharvill (991859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029692)

Sounds interesting and would like to check it out... :(

Re:/.ed already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029742)

Re:/.ed already? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17030334)

Dear Towelheaded Sand Nigger,

You have been OWNED.

Sincerely,
DHS Cocksuckers

P.S. An attack squad is en route to your house to rape and murder your family.

- kthxgg

Call me crazy, (3, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029702)

but wasn't "flow" that minigame which was inspired by the first level of Spore? So wouldn't the "production version" of that game, be, umm, Spore? Or are we not making Spore now?

Spore (1)

walnutmon (988223) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030008)

Speaking of...

What's the deal with Spore? Wasn't that game supposed to come out this year, now some places have its release date as late next year!

That is not cool.

Re:Spore (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030274)

i'd rather it come out late than half-assed and rushed

DN:F? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17032070)

Like Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:Call me crazy, (3, Interesting)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030434)

Well, I'm pretty sure flOw came first, actually.
But if you RTFA it turns out the creator of flOw is now actually on the Spore team. I'm shocked.

I just wonder if he was hired before or after they had already created the underwater stage of Spore. I would guess after, but it's still amusing.

Re:Call me crazy, (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032136)

Apparently Will Wright specifically mentioned Flow in one of his talks, and said he didn't mind. So yeah, I don't think flow predates Spore's announcement.

Very well done game--glad it's getting the nod (1)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029706)

I've got a March '06 build of Flow. Besides really capturing the feeling of being a microorganic predator (if that's actually a feeling), the different thermoclines added lots of neat touches--'hunting' by dashing down one level and back up, retreating, lots of fun stuff. It was the simplicity and fluidity that really made it jump out at me, like the article mentioned. No manual, no UI... just jump in and immediately 'get it'.

The music also was very reminiscant of Homeworld.

I'd love to play a more in depth version. Is there a more recent build to toy with?

I'm still trying to decode the secret website (2, Funny)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029722)

Iloveflowbees.com

Re:I'm still trying to decode the secret website (1)

Salvance (1014001) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029974)

Hmmm ... did you mean this? [flowbee.com] Yep, it's still around.

Sorry, since the article's link was /.'d I had to find something to do until the next article is released.

Re:I'm still trying to decode the secret website (1)

Aellus (949929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030410)

Ah, i believe he is talking about ilovebees [ilovebees.com]

But you gotta love the flowbees!

Get it here (4, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029740)

The link to the website only seems /.'ed
The direct links are still alive
Try the Coralized links first

Offline Version
ftp://intihuatani.usc.edu.nyud.net:8090/Cloud/flow _04142006.zip [nyud.net]
http://intihuatani.usc.edu.nyud.net:8090/Cloud/flo wing/flow_04142006.zip [nyud.net]
The SWF
http://intihuatani.usc.edu.nyud.net:8090/cloud/flo wing/core.swf [nyud.net]

-ftp://intihuatani.usc.edu/Cloud/flow_04142006.zip
-http://intihuatani.usc.edu/Cloud/flowing/flow_041 42006.zip
-http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/core.swf

Re:Get it here (1)

jomama717 (779243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030094)

Cool game. FYI - when you see the J.R. "Bob" Dobbs [wikipedia.org] head on level 37, go for the pipe.

I hope it flops (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17029876)

Because it's Sony and not Nintendo.

PS3 Game? (1)

palswim (982779) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029968)

"immersive games for people who don't consider themselves gamers" doesn't describe PS3 games. That describes the Wii mentality.

Re:PS3 Game? (1)

koreth (409849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030146)

"immersive games for people who don't consider themselves gamers" doesn't describe PS3 games.
Apparently it does now.

Re:PS3 Game? (1)

Brigade (974884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031500)

Aside from parents trying to make their kids happy for X-mas .. how many people that spend $600 on a Video Game machine don't consider themselves gamers?

The ones in denial.

uh ohhhhh (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029972)

well, there goes his college's server(s). I bet all the web dev students using the servers for final projects and people paying next semester's tuition online are just delighted over that one. And youtube is down at this very moment too so now they REALLY have nothing to do in the meantime. Hope they got Wiis or something :P
btw he should have asked for a better offer from ANYONE before accepting Sony's cuz they'll screw up his idea into a horrible, twisted, crap version like they do with most of their other products cuz they think they'll make more money *cough cough PS3 cough* I'd be surprised if it didn't eventually come out classified as a racing game/RPG with strong anime undertones.

Spore (1)

HaMMeReD3 (891549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17029994)

Wow, the first level of spore has been upgraded to ps3 level gameplay, I have to say I'm impressed.

Now if sony could actually finish any of their games.

Ironically, the captcha is looser!!

Games that casual-gamers can play... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17030018)

It's a great idea, and Nintendo's doing it perfectly.

But what casual-gamer is going to drop $700 on a PS3? Come on.

Six minutes later.... (1)

svunt (916464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030024)

I'd be unhappy if I'd paid money for this. I'll admit that it stopped me from falling asleep for six minutes, but that's as far as I'll go.

...and yet his game ends up on PS3 (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030088)

immersive games for people who don't consider themselves gamers
That mandate looks as if it were ripped straight from a Wii marketing promo. Hopefully the fact that fl0w is on PS3 won't preclude this dude from trying his hand at a Wii game; they could be a perfect match.

We'd also have a stream of "wii fl0w" jokes to keep us occupied.
-f

Re:...and yet his game ends up on PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17030234)

We'd also have a stream of "wii fl0w" jokes to keep us occupied.

I'll squirt it to you from my Zune. It's really crackalackin!

No wonder... (1)

rhesuspieces00 (804354) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030126)

...the launch titles are so crappy.

Online services great for this (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030148)

I really like the online services that all the three next generation consoles offer - I am really looking forward to simpler, yet still fun, games being able to be developed and bought for far less than the tradtional blockbuste games cost.

Somehow in the middle of playing the game "who copied who" people seem to have forgotten that the point of all this is to give us gamers more options.

Now the race is on to see who takes this segment of the market seriously and really gets behind a lot of smaller but innovative games for the online market.

Great Game (4, Interesting)

MrIbanez (1030050) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030152)

The game is great itself. Though the entertainment value isn't as good as the typical games that you would pay for today, the concept itself is good. The construction of the game is also very smooth. Though the goal of being a relaxing game is sometimes not achieved, considering that competitive gamers could get frustrated with not being able to "grow larger".

Definitely something everyone should try out. Keep in mind though that the Flash game itself is incomplete, but you can post on the forums to give suggestions and discuss the concept with the creator.

Re:Great Game (1)

Enigma1625 (544974) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030812)

The fun thing about the game is simply experimenting with different ways to customize the growth of your creature. It's very satisfying to have played very carefully in order to end up with a creature that, for example, has a dozen segments that alternate between ones that have fins and ones that don't. There is a thread on the forums where people post their customized creatures; it's pretty neat to see the interesting results you can get from such a simple game.

fl0w is Beauty (1)

finity (535067) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030240)

If you haven't played fl0w before, go check it out http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/ [usc.edu] . I used to work for the dorms at my school, sitting at the front desk for hours at a time. I spent many hours sitting, watching this game because it is truly beautiful. After about 3 times through it's kinda old, but still, those first couple times were pretty amazing...

Jenova? (0, Troll)

Sinbios (852437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030254)

His name is Jenova?

I always thought that chick from Final Fantasy 7 was a play on Jehova.

Re:Jenova? (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030796)

God, I hope he doesn't name his son Sephiroth.

Go Trojans (1)

undergroundflip (825927) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030306)

Fight on.

Re:Go Trojans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17032580)

Definitely something fishy there. Disconnect from the internet and all the prey items disappear. While connected and playing there is constant activity to 128.112.139.71:8090 and planetlab2.cs.unc.edu:8090. I'd avoid this like the plague. Besides, Flash is evil, evil I say!

Not much depth (5, Insightful)

ikarys (865465) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030422)

For a game thats touted as being so excellent, its pretty boring and shallow.

I played fl0w for about 30 minutes.. you just grow this creature in a pretty limited fashion by eating things on different z-depth levels.

The stuff I've read on flow is all about freedom of choice, and playing how you want, and being simple to pickup, and the sense of satisfaction - After 30 mins, it becomes extremely boring, there is no sense of satisfaction, and it gets surprisingly hard (well i guess its hard.. these other huge "creatures" try to eat some bulby bits off you.

Perhaps there is some amazing part of fl0w that I've missed - other worlds, a "level up" feature, some ability other than swimming to the mouse cursor

This game is not fantastic, however, the ideas behind its design are great

How's this for intuitive... (1)

Wizard052 (1003511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030770)

...how about a game I can control not with hands but brain waves? Or with speech but in a truly, truly seamless unambiguous manner? Something like VR but which actually exists outside of a dedicated muli-million dollar facility? Maybe it's asking too much, but still, anything that I need to play using the keyboard and/or mouse has limits to how much it can 'flow', at least for myself.

Then again, good game design is always a huge thing. Brings to mind the snake game in Nokia cellphones...almost perfect flow, with nothing to learn.

But the whole point (2, Insightful)

el_womble (779715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17030968)

was that it was a nice little inuitive game. This crys out to played on the DS or the Wii (more likely the DS).

analog stick mouse touch pad

I think the wrong super power bought this game - in the same way as trying to squeeze GTA onto a DS would be stupid.

snake? (1)

Kombinat (805502) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031176)

reminds me of Nokias Snake or Intellivisions Snafu so what is the deal?

Another great casual game that I'd recommend : (1)

Barts_706 (992266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031298)

Every Extend

Try it - it is also enjoyable and innovative, has nice graphics and sound... no squids though. There was a PSP version called Every Extend Extra, but it was not as good.

You can download it from here :
http://nagoya.cool.ne.jp/o_mega/product/e2.html [cool.ne.jp]

If you want to read a little more about it before and see screenshots, my mini-review is available here :
http://bartsnews.blogspot.com/2006/11/every-extend -is-blast.html [blogspot.com]

/usr/games/snake anyone? (1, Insightful)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 7 years ago | (#17031460)

Move around, eat something, grow larger? Kind of based on the classic BSD (I think) and other early computer game, "Snake." (But with fancy graphics, smooth navigation, and Z levels.) Cool, yes. Revolutionary? Ummmm...

This game sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17031462)

I played it until I morphed shape to a different creature. Anybody who says "Oh good to see a game that's about gameplay instead of pretty graphics", did you actually PLAY the game? The pretty visuals are its only redeeming quality. As for intuitiveness, it's not. The feedback or clues about the point of the game are just SHINY CIRCLES. Great communication with the player, thanks! I don't see how this could appeal to anybody except the most abstract-computer-art-obsessed people.

It's just glorified snake.

mod do3n (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17031664)

Fact: *BSD is dying gave the BSD That theym sideline

Check out the game... (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 7 years ago | (#17032220)

If you have not played it yet, do so. It is interestingly addictive. My girlfriend watched me play it for a long time, what seemed like an hour but could have been much shorter or longer. In the end I got frustrated because we could not figure out how to get me to evolve into what I would consider the third level of the game -- I had already eaten everything there was to eat. Maybe it was just a bug in the version I downloaded.

Sony's new ploy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17032298)

I guess this is Sony's attempt to appeal to "people who don't consider themselves gamers"... Because "people who don't consider themselves gamers" are willing to spend $600 on a *gaming console*

Sony playing nice? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17032624)

Why didn't they just steal the idea like they have every other game?

(go on - mod me troll, I dare ya! ;)
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