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Third Place Is Fine By Nintendo

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the as-long-as-they're-in-the-top-three dept.

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anaesthetica writes "The New Yorker writes that Nintendo is fine with third place. Between Sony and Microsoft both trying to build the most comprehensively next-generation console, and barely breaking even in their efforts [Zonk: Though that's changing for Microsoft], Nintendo has decided to go a different route. Wii doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but it focuses on simple fun playing games — a strategy which turns out to be much better for Nintendo's bottom line and stock prices. From the article: 'A recent survey of the evidence on market share... found that companies that adopt what they call "competitor-oriented objectives" actually end up hurting their own profitability. In other words, the more a company focuses on beating its competitors, rather than on the bottom line, the worse it is likely to do.'"

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I find that amusing (3, Insightful)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038754)

because Nintendo is the one console I don't see as a competetor for 3rd place in this race, N will get 1st or 2nd I suspect.

Re:I find that amusing (1)

AndresCP (979913) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038826)

I agree. Given the sales records and what the future looks like for Sony, the FA seems a little naive.

Re:I find that amusing (5, Informative)

DariaM84 (705388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038998)

Had my first experience with the Wii from about 1PM yesterday until 6:30AM this morning. Freakin' sweet. I most assuredly like the Wii more than the 360. Better games, and the Wiimote is way better than I thought it would be when I first saw the design.

Re:I find that amusing (1, Insightful)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039184)

First or second place is a definite possibility from what can be seen so far. But Nintendo knows that profit is far more important than their place in the so called console wars. So they've a good chance of making both consumers and shareholders happy all at the same time. Who'd have thunk that?

Re:I find that amusing (1)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039200)

Why do you suspect this? The only way for N to get 2nd is for MS to drop the ball the big time.
Sony will get 1st place because they can lose half their market from the PS2 and still move 50+ million units and well they won't lose half their followers.

Re:I find that amusing (4, Insightful)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039506)

Just because the PS2 was successful does not guarentee success for PS3.

Re:I find that amusing (5, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039598)

Sony will get 1st place because they can lose half their market from the PS2 and still move 50+ million units and well they won't lose half their followers.

No, they cannot do that and keep #1. They would if the other two kept selling the same number of consoles they did last gen but those 50 million people they'd no longer have probably want a new console, too. If half of them picked the 360 and half picked the Wii Sony's lead would be insignificant, if the distribution was less even Sony would be #2.

Losing half their market is being generous, from the looks of it they're heading for a self-reinforcing cycle that hurts the PS3 and helps the competition (games and developers leave the platform -> fewer buyers -> games and developers leave the platform). If they lose the lead at the start more and more games are going to migrate (and many are already doing that) to the competition and by the time the PS3 reaches an acceptable price the competition will have control of many major game series that were exclusive to Sony on the PS2. Square Enix said they want to go multiplatform, GTA4 will be multiplatform! They've only got MGS4 and FF13 remaining as their big draws and both are too far off while the competition is hitting with Gears of War and Zelda right now.

Re:I find that amusing (2, Informative)

0x537461746943 (781157) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039238)

I believe you. I sold my xbox360 for $350 and bought a jacked up price Wii for $350 and I seem to be having more fun with the wii than I ever did with the xbox360. The control scheme is nice (it is about time someone made this standard on a game system). The Wii sports that ships with it is amazingly fun to play. It seems to me that since the graphics are not as high res as the 360, The software developers might be able to concentrate a little more on actual gameplay and controls than wasting time putting realistic skin on a player model. All I know is that for me I like it better than my previous system (xbox 360).

Re:I find that amusing (5, Insightful)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039888)

The software developers might be able to concentrate a little more on actual gameplay and controls than wasting time putting realistic skin on a player model.

It's not about wasting so much time than it is wasting money. Games for the wii will require significantly lower budgets or the budget may be dispensed differently. what i think will happeb is that there will be less crunch time graphics-wise and it may allow the artists to come up with more unique designs. hopefully, this will get rid of the "hollywood glitz" some videogames suffer from and it will provide for some creative, more interesting titles.

Re:I find that amusing (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039364)

I really don't understand that point of the Wii. It's barely more capable than the Gamecube and the only two gimmicks it has going are the wireless controller and the virtual console. BOTH of these could have been released for the Gamecube, which already had a broadband adapter as well.

So, as it is, you're basically paying AGAIN for a gamecube just to get the new controller! And now all of these games which look like budget titles (Wii sports, Excite Truck) are $60 just like all the other new consoles.

So really, the biggest selling point of the Wii in this generation of consoles is it's "cheap" price, which is still $300! Sure, that's cheaper than the $500/$650 for the 360 and PS3, but it's still a good chunk of change for a system that only offers a new controller and games that could've been done on LAST generations equipment. If you want a cheap system, here's a plan: Just buy one of the previous gen systems! You'll get it for next to nothing and the games are $10 or under as well! If it realy is all about the gameplay and not the graphics, then you won't have a problem with this.

It's like Nintendo just felt they HAD to come out with something new when Microsoft and Sony did, and it's a half-assed effort. Yet, just like Apple, they've somehow got people buying into this hook, line, and sinker. These guys are masters at brainwashing people. Not quite on DeBeers or Disney's level, but getting close.

Re:I find that amusing (0, Flamebait)

iamstretchypanda (939837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040034)

::poke poke::

I'm waiting for your interesting conspiracy theory please.

One man's treasure... (5, Insightful)

norminator (784674) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040088)

It's barely more capable than the Gamecube and the only two gimmicks it has going are the wireless controller and the virtual console. BOTH of these could have been released for the Gamecube, which already had a broadband adapter as well.

It's funny to see some people calling the XBox360 and the PS3 "just the same old warmed-over stuff with high-resolution graphics", talking up the Wii's "innovativeness", while others refer to the Wii as yesterday's technology with an extra gimmick or two, instead of what PS3/XBox360 are doing...

In the past, "innovative" controllers have been released for Nintendo consoles (Power Glove, U-Force, Power Pad, ROB the robot), but none of those ever had more than a couple of games at most that were really designed for the controller, because releasing it as a new controller for an existing system made it a gimmick. The Wiimote possibly could have been a GameCube add-on. It's probably not the technological focus of the console. But it is the philosophical focus of the Wii. Almost all Wii games are designed specifically for the Wii controller. At this point the controller can no longer be considered a gimmick, since it's really an integral part of the whole console. The console would have to be the gimmick, and time will tell. There seems to be an awful lot of reviewers out there that write about how playing games on the Wii is "just plain fun", and they can't stop smiling while they play. At this point it's still hard to buy a Wii at any retail store because they're selling out, just like the PS3. I'd say the Wii is not going to be just a gimmick.

It's barely more capable than the Gamecube...

From what I understand it's about twice as capable as a GameCube. Obviously it doesn't have the graphical power of the PS3 or the XBox360, but as it has been said many many times, that's not what they're going for. I'm guessing that a lot of the focus on the earliest game development has been on making the controller work well with games. I'm sure that once developers get more familiar with the Wii, they'll be more prepared to make use of the added power the Wii has over the GameCube, just like developers will do over time for the new generations of the other consoles.

And now all of these games which look like budget titles (Wii sports, Excite Truck) are $60 just like all the other new consoles.

Wii Sports is included with the console (for now), and games in general [target.com] seem to peak out at around $50 [walmart.com] , with some going as low as $30.

*Gasp* (3, Insightful)

TheAngryMob (49125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038762)

You mean giving customers what they want will help sell your product?

I'm shocked! Shocked I say!

Re:*Gasp* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039114)

Customers want to get gouged, rather then getting an extremely good deal for tech? Man, are you like on Earth 2 or something?

Not too surprising (5, Insightful)

quizzicus (891184) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038776)

...the more a company focuses on beating its competitors, rather than on the bottom line, the worse it is likely to do.

I find the same to be generally true among humans.

The open source motto (5, Insightful)

Geof (153857) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039452)

Excellent point. I often have seen the same said of open source. It's not about beating Microsoft. As long as the software we make is useful to us, we can't lose.

Re:Not too surprising (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039834)

Competing against another person leads to two things. In victory it leads to complacence and ego and ultimately downfall. In defeat it leads to frustration, anger and downfall.

The only solution is to compete against oneself. Solve the problem or run the race a little better than last time. Keep trying do thing s little better every time and nobody has power over you.

rick romero? (0, Troll)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038780)

in other news the sky has been discovered to be blue, and grass green. no news yet on the study to determine wetness of water

Re:rick romero? (5, Funny)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038922)

in other news the sky has been discovered to be blue, and grass green. no news yet on the study to determine wetness of water

Where is this magical wonderland where you live? Where I'm at, the sky is gray, the grass is covered in a blanket of white, and water is frozen.

Re:rick romero? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17038942)

I've conducted a study pertaining to the wetness of water. It is, in fact, not wet at all. it only makes other things wet.

Re:rick romero? (5, Funny)

LordSkippy (140884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039660)

Your conclusion that water isn't wet is correct. However, you are wrong about it making other things wet. What actually happens is that water absorbs other objects dryness, thus giving the appearance of making them wet.

Is Wii fun? (3, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038820)

All I see are articles talking about how fun Wii is, the new way of interacting with games.
But is this new game play interaction something that can keep the wii going in the longterm?

I have tried it, so I honestly don't if tilt controllers are something to build a console around.

Also, with PS/3 being a fully functional computer with a keyboard/mouse/blueray, its more than just a console. And Xbox live with internet access to media is more than a console. The Wii is a console and priced like it.

Re:Is Wii fun? (4, Interesting)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038914)

The Wii doesn't have to keep going in the long term. The lifespan of a console as a platform for launching new games is under a decade. The Wii just has sell enough units itself to make it attractive for developers to keep producing titles, which it looks like it will, and the platform will live its life and then Nintendo is free to create a new platform for the "next-next-generation" of gaming consoles.

I have an Xbox 360, and will probably get a PS3 as well (Final Fantasy is too big of a draw for me to ignore it). I like my PS2, and I like my Xbox 360. They have certain games I want to play, and I enjoy playing them. That was enough to motivate me to buy the console. That's all the money that these companies are going to get from me, because from here on out, all I'm going to be buying is games. If the console is interesting enough to draw me in to buy at least one, then they've accomplished their job as a console manufacturer with regard to me. So the Wii needs to only hook people this once, and in doing so, ensures that it's profitable for developers to produce games for the next five or six years. Then, once the companies are ready to release new systems, if there are things we like and want to experience about these new systems, we'll pay out the money necessary to get them.

Re:Is Wii fun? (4, Informative)

cananian (73735) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039032)

That's all the money that these companies are going to get from me, because from here on out, all I'm going to be buying is games.
Surely you know that most of the money the console manufacturers make is from per-game licensing fees? The console isn't sold at much of a profit (if any). So it is, in fact, crucial that the console manufacturer ensure that good games for their platform keep being produced, and that you in fact continue to buy new games for the platform.

Re:Is Wii fun? or is it sweet sweet money? (2, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039620)

Surely you know that most of the money the console manufacturers make is from per-game licensing fees? The console isn't sold at much of a profit (if any). So it is, in fact, crucial that the console manufacturer ensure that good games for their platform keep being produced, and that you in fact continue to buy new games for the platform.

Ah, true for PS3 and xBox360. In fact, PS3 loses anywhere from $240 to $306 on each PS3 sold.

But not true for Nintendo - they make money on both the GameCube and the Wii.

Which is one reason why Wii games are cheaper, IMHO.

Re:Is Wii fun? or is it sweet sweet money? (1)

cananian (73735) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039786)

Re-read my post. I didn't say that the manufacturer didn't make a profit on the console. I said they didn't make "much" of a profit -- certainly not much compared to the licensing fees.

My point was that the lion's share of the money is from continued purchase of games, not from the initial console purchase.

Re:Is Wii fun? or is it sweet sweet money? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039988)

ah, but I was pointing out that, while the xBox360 and PS3 lose money on thier consoles - only now has the xBox360 loss dropped to reasonable levels, a year after introduction, the Nintendo consoles make money from day one.

Thus, they can sell dev kits for $2000 for the Wii instead of $20000 for the xBox360 and PS3.

And drop prices on games.

Re:Is Wii fun? or is it sweet sweet money? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040190)

I believe that the Xbox 360 has now dropped in production costs enough that MS turns a small (very small) profit on the $400 version, and looses only a small amount on the $300 CORE version. It's because of this that a lot of people are hoping they'll drop the price of the console further... but with MS staying at their current price point they seem to be following the article in that they're concentrating more on the bottom line (staying at current price and making a small profit on the console) then boosting market share to compete with Sony (dropping their price and taking losses again just to get more people to buy).

Nintendo is one of those companies that at least for the last two generations has turned a small profit right from the start. Most console hardware is profitable by the end of it's lifespan, IIRC Sony makes about $50 on every PS2 sold at this point. Part of the reason MS dropped Xbox 1 production so quickly was because it still wasn't profitable while the Xbox 360 is already.

Re:Is Wii fun? (5, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039012)

I have tried it, so I honestly don't if tilt controllers are something to build a console around.

The question I would have for this is how much time did you try it for, what games did you play and did you keep an open mind?

But is this new game play interaction something that can keep the wii going in the longterm?

The Wiimote (and Nunchuck) are no where near perfect implementations of the technology and yet they're far better than any controller I have used. When you play most conventional games (FPS, Racing Games) the Wiimote (and Nunchuck) is actually almost as good as the best interfaces for these games (Keyboard & Mouse, Steering Wheel) and in many games it is actually superior (Adventure games). The beauty of the Wiimote is that it allows for (nearly) endless usage options and a good designer can make a highly useable and intuitive interface.

Also, with PS/3 being a fully functional computer with a keyboard/mouse/blueray, its more than just a console. And Xbox live with internet access to media is more than a console. The Wii is a console and priced like it.

I have a PC, why do I need another one that doesn't have the functionality and expandability of my existing PC?

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039116)

I have a PC, why do I need another one that doesn't have the functionality and expandability of my existing PC?

Because it is more likely than not connected to a much larger monitor, for one thing.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

owyn999 (856162) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039586)

My Sony FWD40LX1 would take exception to that... she is a 40 inch LCD screen beauty and hooks up to my Radeon X1600 Pro via a DVI-D port and runs at some pretty smooth resolutions... Half-Life 2 look samazing and GTR 2 answers all questions ever posed by the... "Why aren't you playing Gran Turismo" crowd...

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039686)

And most likely it's connected to a display that can only do 640x480. Sure, there's HDTV but we're talking about likely, i.e. most people. 640x480 can't hold a lot of readable text, interlacing and the generally bad quality of most TV pictures means you need larger letters than on a PC to keep them from blurring to all hell and the increased viewing distance takes its toll as well. Now add the internet and websites that haven't been designed for use at 640x480 for years and applications that take even more (I think XSI was one of those applications that won't run below 1280x960). There's a reason WebTV didn't take off.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039164)

I have a PC, why do I need another one that doesn't have the functionality and expandability of my existing PC?

So you know designers are going to tailor the game to work on your video card for at least a few years.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040204)

That's a reason to buy a game console, but he wanted a reason to buy a combination-game-console-faux-PC.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

Wampus Aurelius (627669) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039076)

Also, with PS/3 being a fully functional computer with a keyboard/mouse/blueray, its more than just a console. And Xbox live with internet access to media is more than a console. The Wii is a console and priced like it.

And yet, if I want to buy a console, why would I pay for more than what I wanted? If I wanted a fully functional computer, I would buy or (more likely) already own one. If I wanted a DVD/blueray player, I would buy one. How many people who can afford to buy a PS3 don't already own a computer of some sort?

Own one or more than one? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039256)

If I wanted a fully functional computer, I would buy or (more likely) already own one.

Own one, or own more than one? Most PC owners connect them to smaller, high-resolution monitors. Using a single PC with a small, high-resolution monitor in one room and a larger SD/ED monitor in the other room requires shutting the PC down and carting it around, and I would guess that most users would prefer the convenience of a second machine. Moreover, almost no commercial games for Windows that support multiple players appear to allow multiple players to play on the same screen using gamepads connected to the same USB hub; therefore, four players in the same household would require four computers.

If I wanted a DVD/blueray player, I would buy one.

As of right now, the PLAYSTATION 3 console is the cheapest Blu-ray Disc player, and it comes with the capacity to act as a computer and game console for no additional charge. True, each console can run only one app on one TV at once, you'll need more than one device, and for people with no interest in HDTV, a Wii console plus a $40 DVD player is likely a better choice.

Re:Own one or more than one? (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039854)

Am I the only one that absolutely hates split screen gameplay? I kind of wish that modern consoles at 2-4 video outputs so we couldn't see eachothers screens.

While you're right about the PS3 have several uses, I wonder if that feature is really appealing to that many people. It seems more like a case of "jack of all trades, master of none"

Sure you could use it as your primary PC...but I could put wood screws in with a sledge hammer too. That doesn't mean its the best way to do it. Does it work better then that $400 dell special, that probably comes with its own monitor? And you point out that I can plug it into my HD TV, but how many people type word documents while sitting on the couch? Even people with laptops do most of the work at a desk and this example would be analogous to a desktop PC. It seems like, as a PC, this would be an expensive and potentially cumbersome solution. I just don't know who that will really benefit.

The rest of your comments regarding the PC are how it functions as a game machine. Thats the same old console versus PC gaming debate there, but not really relevant here IMO. The xbox 360 is the direct and cheaper alternative in this case, not the PC.

You're right about it being a cheap blue ray disc player. I'm just not all that sure how much appeal that really offers the vast majority of consumers. I have a feeling the majority of people buying a game console would rather the console be cheaper at the expense of blu ray myself. Sure, a similar thing happened with the PS and DVD, but thats apples and oranges. I just don't think there's the kind of demand out there for either of the new formats that there was for DVD.

The crux of my point is that people buy a console to play console games, and thats about it. You can toss those extra features in and people will brag about them and maybe it'll even sway a few fence sitters to your side...but its not going to sell the consoles.

JMO.

Re:Is Wii fun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039270)

It's way more than a tilt controller, sounds like you havent played it at all.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039300)

But is this new game play interaction something that can keep the wii going in the longterm?...Also, with PS/3 being a fully functional computer with a keyboard/mouse/blueray, its more than just a console. And Xbox live with internet access to media is more than a console.

My crystal ball thinks it will have long-term viability. There is a lot of potential with this system. Yes, it's too bad that it's not more powerful, but I'm more than happy with the graphics of the games I play. Although, I won't deny that HD games don't make my jaw drop.

First, the Wii remote. It's a pointing device... it's practically a mouse. I already find punching in my name in a virtual keyboard to be a billion times faster than using a controller to scroll through the letters. But lets not go there, lets instead think of adding a wireless keyboard accessory. You now have the workings of 'computer like' interface. Real Time Strategy games (that often fail on Consoles) become much more viable and fun. You can quickly select your troops in the field by dragging out a selection box, much like computer games do. With a wireless keyboard accessory, chatting becomes easy, and a keyboard is easy to rest in your lap.

All Wii's have online support. You can already download games for the virtual console. It will take a while, but developers should be able to utilize the wireless to create online games. Now, companies, like Blizzard, can release Wii ports for their Warcraft and Starcraft strategy games (not WoW) which can find a whole new revenue path for games they've already made and just need to be ported (see low investment, high profits). The Wii is already planning on having a Weather and News channel, though I do not know how this will work, but it's interesting. I know they have plans to release a browser (I think it was Opera?).

This opens up the 'casual' games department for the Wii (which was just talked about here on /. about their profitability). People should/might be able to enjoy those Yahoo! and Flash games (if the browser can support Java and Flash plugins). I'm just waiting for a developer to create a simple, cheap, download-able 'virtual console'-ish game with network support.

It's simply the remote that I think will make this happen. The remote will work well as a pointer device, like a computer mouse, and allow game development to incorporate this idea and finally some of our favorite PC games might be as enjoyable from the couch. =)

Of course, that's already besides the 'traditional' games that are made as well as the potential for more unique game play using the motion sensing abilities.

Cheers,
Fozzy

ps. Nope, I'm not sure if this will all happen, but I just see the potential.

Wait and see (1)

darthservo (942083) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039372)

"All I see are articles talking about how fun Wii is, the new way of interacting with games. But is this new game play interaction something that can keep the wii going in the longterm?"

That's something that I've noted (2nd to last paragraph) [blogspot.com] as well. Right now, everyone is impressed with the new and different way to do things (the intital wow factor) and are still in the honeymoon stage with the console. Nintendo's still riding the chance wave.

Can the console hold everyone's attention? The majority of that (if not all of it) will depend largely on game developers. We know that tons of dev companies are jumping at the chance to make games for the Wii, however if the games suck, people aren't going to buy them and it will reflect poorly on the console. Quite a few initial titles seem to focus around the mini-game theme (shake the Wiimote and Nunchuck up and down in one game, twist the Wiimote back and forth in another). Hopefully either devs won't run the same idea into the ground so that people get bored with it quickly, or they'll think of new and entertaining ways to implement these features so that people don't think a game is just a mirror of another.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Wii (man, that will never stop sounding weird) and have enjoyed playing it. I'm still waiting for some good titles to come out, though."Also, with PS/3 being a fully functional computer with a keyboard/mouse/blueray, its more than just a console. And Xbox live with internet access to media is more than a console. The Wii is a console and priced like it."

Careful...The Wii has different features through the channel meuns - Mii, Photo, Shopping, Forecast (soon to come), Weather (soon to come), Internet browsing (soon to come), and messaging including email. And, supposedly, the next gen of Wiis should feature a DVD channel. To me, the Wii seems more like an entertainment console.

Re:Wait and see (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039980)

I've thought the same thing. I want a Wii, but haven't bought one because I prefer to wait until the rush is over. (I know they aren't that hard to find, but they aren't extremely easy yet either) But I've noticed that most of the initial games that have been released follow that kind of minigame format. While that format certainly has its place, I prefer something a little more robust. If I had to guess I'd say that before the novelty of the controller phase wears off we'll start to see some more complete titles rolling out that will keep the Wii's momentum strong. There's a lot of potential in that controller that isn't being tapped yet from what I've seen...and I'm sure some one is working on tapping it as we speak.

Re:Is Wii fun? (2, Insightful)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039752)

All I see are articles talking about how fun Wii is, the new way of interacting with games. But is this new game play interaction something that can keep the wii going in the longterm?

No. No matter how good the games are, you'll eventually get tired of using motion to interact with them, just like how great games weren't enough to keep any other console alive once people got tired of the novelty of pushing buttons to play.

Oh, wait, that's not the way it works. Games are the draw for the Wii, just like everything else; they aren't asking you to play shit just because you get to swing your arms while doing it. The control scheme isn't a novelty meant to sustain interest in and of itself, but rather to allow for more creative games to be devloped, and those games will sustain the interest, as in any other gaming market.

Re:Is Wii fun? (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039970)

I haven't exactly been hunting for it, but I have yet to hear of somebody getting bored with the wii. So far, nobody seems to have the muscles to play that long. I think we will see novel ways of using the wiimote keep showing up for several years.

P.S. The wii can surf the web.

i'm confused.. (5, Funny)

LordEd (840443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038830)

It's really well suited for just one thing: playing games. But this turns out to be an asset.
Let me get this straight. You make a gaming system. This gaming system is well suited to play games. Why is this surprising?

I am going to surprise auto industry that is suitable for driving.

Re:i'm confused.. (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038882)

the key word is just

The PS3 and XBox360 do a lot more, not just gaming.

Re:i'm confused.. (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038956)

Really? What else? Oh yeah, they both can play media for which there is little to no content out yet. Better yet, the two formats are incompatible, which fractures the market and discourages uptake! Great strategy!

Re:i'm confused.. (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039074)

See, now doesn't that just look a lot nicer now?

Re:i'm confused.. or Media Content (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039582)

Really? What else? Oh yeah, they both can play media for which there is little to no content out yet.

Not only that, but the overwhelming majority of us don't have HDTV sets with 1080p.

I'm waiting until 2009 to buy mine, when they're cheap. At that point, I'll probably get a new game console too.

But for now, bleeding edge at a $4500 cost ($2000 HDTV plus $2000 speakers plus $500 PS3 (or $600)) just seems like a waste.

I'd rather play fun games that exist today on my Wii.

Re:i'm confused.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039022)

The PS3 and XBox360 do a lot more, not just gaming.

Don't you mean, everything except?

Re:i'm confused.. (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039000)

I am going to surprise auto industry that is suitable for driving.

No, but if there were only three auto makers and up until this point "more horse power" was the major competive point and instead of competing in this arena one of the competitors decided to compete based on fuel economy... well you might find that interesting.

Re:i'm confused.. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039030)

Let me get this straight. You make a gaming system. This gaming system is well suited to play games. Why is this surprising?

It's surprising only isasmuch as you get the chance to contrast it against the competing views of Sony and Microsoft which says that our game consoles will become the focal point of our 'media experience'. The two larger companies in this battle are trying to sell us media appliances, DVD players, and a whole bunch of other things -- mostly because they believe that is how they will differentiate themselves/keep up with the competition.

Nintendo has basically decided they don't want to be the focal point for all of your media needs, they just want to be there for games mostly. It's actually surprising in that they actually stuck to making a product which was most suitable for it's nominal function, and primarilty it's nominal function.

It would be, for example, surprising to see a new cell phone which is released which has really good function as a phone, huge battery life, and hasn't tried to converge in 10 other devices. It would be surprising purely in the sense that nobody else seems to be doing it.

Cheers

Tell this to Nokia, Motorola, etc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17040198)

I want a cell phone that just makes calls -- no camera, no games, just a phone

Ok But... (4, Insightful)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038878)

Sonys bottom line is being focused on with the PS3. Blu Ray is part of the focus on the companies bottom line.

Essentially, Nintendo makes its consoles and games and that is the company. They really have nothing else to gain from other things like XBox live, hard drives in consoles, and Sonys Blu Ray. Microsoft and Sony are thinking broader, but still focused on the companies bottom line. If you want to do just the game division, that is fine, but when and if that works that company would find it hard to take that success and apply it to other divisions. The PS3 without Blu Ray is cheaper and maybe easier to make, but if Blu Ray is a success because of the PS3 and/or vice versa, well lets just say Sony will get the last laugh as they dominate to huge markets.

Of course there is more to this and the OP's arguement has merits, but in this dogfight, Sony and Microsoft have FAR FAR more at stake than the success of its gaming division.

Re:Ok But... (1)

keyne9 (567528) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040002)

[...]lets just say Sony will get the last laugh as they dominate to huge markets.


And if they do not, they will fall. Nintendo both does not, and does not fall. Strange, that.

I've never owned a game console (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17038892)

But I've become intrigued enough with the Wii to want to go check it out. If it is half as fun as it looks, I might even buy one. They seem to have delivered something novel enough in the control area to make me want to supplement my PC for gaming and at a reasonable price point instead of the total commitment the other consoles demand.

Microsoft breaking even? (5, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038894)

That's funny. I opened up the link Zonk posted, and the article said this:

"To be clear, we have said that in fiscal 08, entertainment and devices makes money. That's not exactly Xbox. We don't break profit down by business. And there are parts of entertainment and devices that make money. Xbox doesn't. Xbox has to make significant progress to enable E&D to get there. We feel we are on track"

That doesn't necessarily mean the XBox division will start making money. It could (and probably does) mean that they plan to try and hemorrhage less, so that the overall E&D division can finally get in the black.

Re:Microsoft breaking even? (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039016)

That doesn't necessarily mean the XBox division will start making money. It could (and probably does) mean that they plan to try and hemorrhage less, so that the overall E&D division can finally get in the black.

Also, that doesn't mean that the console is still selling at a loss. Getting the console sale price to break-even or into profit doesn't automatically mean profit for the division. There's still headcount to pay for, amortized research costs, future R&D, etc. Getting to break-even or better is an excellent first step, but as they say there's still much more to do.

Oh, yeah, and FY08 is July of CY07 (Calendar Year 2007). So they're saying that as early as Q1 FY08 (aka, September/October CY07) tthe E&D division could be in the black on the financial report. Yes, that's about a year away, but it's not as long as it sounds by saying "FY08" instead of "CY07".

Re:Microsoft breaking even? (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039948)

What's funny is that Sony always makes a profit in their console division other then launch time. It's microsoft thats been bleeding up to and over one billion per year on the xbox division.

Why didn't zonk bother to add that?

Zonk Link (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040102)

I thought that was hilarious. Apparently Zonk doesn't even read the links that he inserts into other articles for no apparent reason...

That aside, the article also has one of the worst examples of corporatese that I've heard in a while:
Sony is going to sell as many units as they can ship in the U.S. I think that's true. Given the quantities we are talking about, I'm confident they will sell all of them. I don't know that a lower price would make a difference in the outcome. As you go out into later years, cost and price are both important issues. I've been on the other side of this equation. It's a hard problem.
To be clear, we have said that in fiscal 08, entertainment and devices makes money. That's not exactly Xbox. We don't break profit down by business. And there are parts of entertainment and devices that make money. Xbox doesn't. Xbox has to make significant progress to enable E&D to get there. We feel we are on track.
Yeah, we said we'd make money in Entertainment. Yes, one of our biggest Entertainment products is Xbox. No, it's not going to make money. In fact, Sony is going to cream us at Christmas. Yes, we're okay with that. Everything is going according to plan.

This guy sounds like if he were born a generation ago, he'd be working on the USSR's latest Five Year Plan, to go into effect three and a half years after the last one.

Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17038916)

Although it will probably have an early lead, various times Nintendo people have indicated in interviews that they know that a couple years out the Wii is going to have trouble keeping console player interest in their console due to the increasingly widening gap between it and other consoles and pc's. Too many companies are treating the Wii as an easy way to dump old PS2/GameCube games onto the system and tack on some waggle controls right now. Nintendo's own games are obviously still awesome but they really need to get third party developers to get designed from the ground up Wii games out for the system.

I can't really think of any third party games in the 2007 release list that aren't first party games that I'm that excited about.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (3, Informative)

Paralizer (792155) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039130)

I think I saw this on CNBC the other day -- a Nintendo representative said they expect the Wii lifespan to be around 5-6 years.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (1)

RichardMarks (1011125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039576)

That is a short life for a console.

The Playstation had a ten year life. And the PS2 is six years into its life and still going very strong and will most likely last as long as the first Playstation.

It is hard to imagine the Wii still selling well four or five years from now.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039656)

Kind of...like... the Gamecube? Which came out in 2000? or the N64 in 1996? Ad Nauseum?

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (1)

satoshi1 (794000) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039982)

That's not a short life at all. The N64 lasted five years. The Gamecube lasted five years. The original Xbox lasted five years. The Playstation2 lasted six years. That's a NORMAL lifespan for a console. Just because sony expects the PS2 or the PS3 to last ten years doesn't mean that's the new standard. Hell, ten years is gonna be impossible. Microsoft and Nintendo will come out with something new and Sony will be forced to come out with something as well.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (2, Funny)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039166)

So, over the next two years or so, Nintendo will develop a successor for the Wii, using technology that has been proven in the XBox and PS3. If they are REALLY smart, they will continue to research different ways to interact with the console.

I have an interesting idea for that, so if they want to contact me, I will be glad to make a deal with them.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (5, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039376)

If they are REALLY smart, they will continue to research different ways to interact with the console. I have an interesting idea for that, so if they want to contact me, I will be glad to make a deal with them.

I think Nintendo will probably leave teledildonics to other corporations.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039342)

Actually, as someone else has mentioned, Nintendo has indicated that the console will be around for 5 to 6 years ... If Nintendo is successful with the Wii though they will have proven that you don't need bleeding edge (graphical) technology to have a successful console and games and thus will be able to release a system that is a few times as powerful as the PS3, which is easy to develop for, and is inexpensive and developers will have the choice as to whether they want to take advantage of the graphical abilities.

Re:Nintendo Knows The Wii Will Have A Short Life (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039550)

I can't really think of any third party games in the 2007 release list that aren't first party games that I'm that excited about.

Ubi soft has quite a few things lined up for the Wii, particularly the early-2007 title Blazing Angels (already released on XBox360). They are already talking about Red Steel 2 as well.

EA has its usual sports games, as well as some other franchises, such as Medal of Honor: Airborne.

Capcom is releasing a Resident Evil on the Wii in 2007.

Square Enix is releasing a Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles title.

Sega is putting out a new Sonic.

NIBRIS is releasing Sadness (which I'm very much looking forward to, hoping it has something new to the genre like Eternal Darkness did).

Yeah, it's a short list so far. But hey, that first party list isn't too shabby:

Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid 3
Fire Emblem
Super Smash Bros.
Pilotwings

Mor interested in the xbox snipit (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17038918)

the main article is not all that interesting to me, why? it is all old news.
Yes, Nintendo is not goign for bleeding edge tech, instead they gor for games and profit, and b/c of this they make money.

The little 1up article is much more interesting. They see the XBox starting to MAKE money in the next 2 years, last I saw they were not planing on actualy makign money via the xbox for awhile yet, this sounds like the 360 really has been the shot in the arm that MS needed to actualy enter the market and start making money out of it.

Disclamers:
I am a nintendo fanboy, and thus rather familiar with the ups and downs nintendo has gone through. I also bashed the Xbox and loved the PS2. However with this generation I am really looking at the 360 as a great system, though my $$ is still with nintendo. I would personaly rank the 360 and the Wii as rather equal interms of fun that can be gotten out of them, however the $ required to get aid fun is MUCH lower on the side of the Wii. I rank the 360 and Wii well above the PS3 simply due to a lackluster showing of games beign announced.

Re:Mor interested in the xbox snipit (4, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039014)

They see the XBox starting to MAKE money in the next 2 years,

Actually, this isn't what the article says. It only claims that the E&D division *as a whole* will be in the black. It seems likely that the Xbox divion will continue to lose money, but at a slower rate, offset by improvements in other areas.

I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (5, Interesting)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039006)

Personally, I thought they were going to be the next Sega. When the announced the Wii would not be HD capable I figured they were dead in the water. But after pulling what felt like every muscle in my body playing Wii Sports with friends, I have to admit they will be the true winners of this round of console wars. They went with something different and concentrated on gameplay and really pulled it off. Kudos to them.

They made a console that not only appeals to the all-important 18-35 market, but is also going to be a favorite among parents for young kids becasue the games are mostly PG and they even get some exercise playing it.

However, I wouldn't trade my 360 for it. They pulled off an excellent product through innovative concept and gameplay, but I don't think this will dent the demand for the powerful graphics/complexity that true next gen consoles deliver. In its price range, I think the Wii is a healthy addition to have along with a 360 or PS3, but not so much a direct competitor to them among the 18+ crowd.

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039232)

However, I wouldn't trade my 360 for it. They pulled off an excellent product through innovative concept and gameplay, but I don't think this will dent the demand for the powerful graphics/complexity that true next gen consoles deliver. In its price range, I think the Wii is a healthy addition to have along with a 360 or PS3, but not so much a direct competitor to them among the 18+ crowd.

I would agree with you (and I still sort of do) but if graphics really mattered all that much the PS2 would have been owned by either the Gamecube or the XBox; and PS2 sales would have disapeared when the XBox 360 was released. The reality is that on modern systems graphics are mostly a functional consern and if the graphics are good enough to represent the world that is necessary for the game most consumers are happy; you wont see the average consumer reaching for a tissue when they watch a game trailer in HD.

There is no doubt that the PS3/XBox 360 have a graphical advantage, but if most games continue to (for the most part) produce photorealistic versions of the exact same environment the Wii can produce the Wii will not have too much to worry about; if they tone down the graphics and produce larger more interactive environments the Wii may have serious trouble (but I don't see too much of that happening).

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039998)

Take, for instance, Oblivion:

Previous versions of Elder Scrolls were great, but I can't bring myself to go go back to a world full of blockly tree and no real vegetation. The power of next gen has brought these worlds to life more than before, and I think that is an important addition to the experience. Although I think I would have liked Oblivion anyway, it raised the bar of what I consider a quality RPG. Now I know I can expect a good game with excellent graphics.

Gears of War, and shooters in general, also rely on graphical improvements. Gears of War may be an exception because of the cover system that it (IMO) has done better than any other shooter. But for the most part, they are basically a variation of DOOM. The only thing that really distinguishes them are graphics and maybe a unique weapon (gravity gun in Half Life, energy sword in Halo). Next gen relies on that power to produce environments and players interesting and interactive enough that you would want to buy yet another shooter.

Sports games as well. The rules don't change enough to compel a person to buy the new Tiger Woods or MVP Baseball every year, so they have to rely on harnessing graphical power to make the environment and characters more life-like.

Anyway, I think the Wii is proof that graphics and processing power are not a deal breaker, but I do think that graphics and power are important enough that they will continue to drive the direction of what is considered truely next gen. If anything, I think Wii could be popular enough spark a "second tier" of cheap consoles that don't follow the high end power model, but don't think such a console would ever replace PC-like consoles.

I would think that PCs, given how cheap they are now, would be eliminating the high-end console, not something like the Wii. But the variation of hardware software conflicts and the constant demand to upgrade or replace an otherwise functional PC keeps people from really adopting it.

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039704)

"but I don't think this will dent the demand for the powerful graphics/complexity that true next gen consoles deliver."

Why do people keep paroting these lines? If I want powerful and graphics/complexity I have a computer. Is my computer uber-next-gen then? I believe 'next gen' to be refering to consoles recently released. It has nothing to do with the power or complexity of the console. Otherwise computers would always be better at playing games than whatever the current 'next gen' consoles are and that isn't necessarily true.

"In its price range, I think the Wii is a healthy addition to have along with a 360 or PS3, but not so much a direct competitor to them among the 18+ crowd."

Hilarious. Having not baught a console since SNES, the wii is the ONLY console in the last 10 or so years that I have even considered buying. All the other consoles always seemed to be tailored to children with fighting games, button mashing, racing games (I have a car, why would I want to drive one in a game??), etc. It is funny but true that humans always associate "free" or "cheaper" with worse quality. We have free gourmet coffee machines at work and you still see people paying for $5 starbucks or whatever. Its the perception that free or cheaper somehow equals bad that drives these sorts of decisions. As for the comment about the 18+ crowd, lol. Do they have hard core pr0n in the ps3 games now? I remember playing mortal combat as a kid and being unphased. What exactly makes a console 18+?

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040236)

Well, High-end consoles are really nothing more than the latest and greatest computer parts bundeled and sold cheaper than you could normally buy them. So yes. What makes the console so great when you could get the exact same interface devices and power from the computer? Consoles are loss leaders. How much would it cost you to outfit your computer with the hardware from these consoles? Less than the console, for the first year anyway. Also, consoles don't have near the amount of software/hardware combinations. Games are designed to Just Work with them. No searching for patches, no worrying about your video card or video driver settings, etc.

I used to be a much heavier PC gamer, until It seemed that every year would require a new video card to play the latest and greatest games. Then you'de need more RAM, more Processor power every couple of years. Since at home, I usually stick to surfing, simple apps coding, and hosting personal web pages, I figured all this money spent was quite a waste.

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039782)

One thing that should be noted is that in a certain way Nintendo had to take a different approach. If they had gone the same route as the other two, then there would have been no reason to buy the Wii. One advantage of being third is that once you take a big risk you either end up staying third or beat the other two. Nintendo lost a lot since the SNES, but in many ways they won a lot by being forced to think differently. On the other hand Sony is losing a lot, but they don't seem to want to understand what they are doing wrong.

Re:I'm actually quite impressed with Nintendo (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039900)

I think the Wii is a healthy addition to have along with a 360 or PS3, but not so much a direct competitor to them among the 18+ crowd.

Ironic then that my 60 year old Parents wouldn't look twice at a 360 or a PS3, but want a Wii for themselves (after after playing WiiSports). Unless of course I miss read that and you meant the Wii was the only one targeted at the +18 demographic. Truth is Nintendo is the only one not focused exclusively on the core 18-35 demographic.

DDR + WII = (2, Interesting)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039068)

Dancing with hand motions. Seriously... is someone developing this. It'll be huge in Japan.

Re:DDR + WII = (1)

jkerman (74317) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039212)

its huge at my house too! the otherwise sort of lame rayman title released at launch has a dance minigame where you shake the two controllers like moraccas. its crazy fun.

its like guitar hero in a lot of ways. no matter which way you cut it holding a teeny plastic guitar makes you look like an idiot, but like most things that make you look silly, its a hell of a lot of fun!

Re:DDR + WII = (1)

Stefanwulf (1032430) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039742)

its huge at my house too! the otherwise sort of lame rayman title released at launch has a dance minigame where you shake the two controllers like moraccas. its crazy fun.
Samba de Amigo! Nintendo's already getting most of Sega's in-house games - when is this one being ported to the Wii?

Re:DDR + WII = (1)

MasT3quila (836268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039282)

See the screen starts scrambled, and the faster you jerk the controller up and down the less scrambled the image becomes.... err nevermind.

Re:DDR + WII = (1)

KingArthur10 (679328) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039314)

Dear G-d, not the Macarena again!

ParaParaParadise (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039348)

Dancing with hand motions. Seriously... is someone developing this.

Konami probably already holds the patent on ParaParaParadise [wikipedia.org] .

It'll be huge in Japan.

PPP was short-lived.

Re:DDR + WII = (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039460)

Coming Next Christmas!

"Wow. Hand Jive Revolution. Now I've seen everything."

Third place? (5, Interesting)

Evro (18923) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039124)

Third place by what metric? Units sold? If they're netting the most, doesn't that make them #1?

Re:Third place? (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039864)

If you blocked Zonk's posts as your sig says, then what are you doing here? :P

Re:Third place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17040158)

The "5/20/2006" part at the end would imply that he unblocked Zonk.

I used to have Zonk blocked, too -- until I realized the fact that he posted almost anything that appeared in the submissions queue meant that blocking him caused almost no new articles to appear on the main page. I've chosen to deal with a handful of crappy articles + a number of good articles per day rather than only a small number of good articles.

"Competitor Oriented Objectives" (1)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039382)

> "In other words, the more a company focuses on beating its competitors, rather than on the bottom line, the worse it is likely to do.'"

Sadly, this applies to our nation as well.

Nintendo is outside the race (3, Insightful)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039386)

Sony and Microsoft have comparable products. Nintendo is going it's own way. If you want a traditional console with high definition graphics, you'll be choosing an Xbox 360 or a PS3. If you want Nintendo's motion sensing game console, you'll buy a Wii. I consider the purchase of a Wii to be independent of the purchase of either of the other systems. If you can afford a PS3, you can certainly afford to purchase a Wii as well. Because of the Wii's unique control scheme most of it's games will be Wii exclusive. If you want those games, you'll need to buy a Wii. Most of the games on the other two consoles will be ported to both. So someone who wants to buy an Xbox 360 could change their mind and buy a PS3. And vice versa.

It remains to be seen how well the Nintendo Wii will sell once there is sufficient supply. Three quarters of the people who purchased the Wii also purchased Zelda. Did they purchase a Wii because they want a Wii or because they wanted Zelda? The comment I have about non-gamers picking up the Wii is: The Lord of the Rings movies were very popular among non-nerds, but does that mean that those same non-nerds will play D&D every week? People may play the Wii at someone's house and think it's fun, it doesn't mean that they'll go out and purchase one. High definition televisions are coming down in price which will drive people to want high definition content for them. I think the Wii will do fine, I'll just be a devil's advocate to the Nintendo fanboys. Honestly, I don't think the Wii will be third, it will be competing for first with the Xbox 360. The PS3 will be in last place because it has equivalent graphics to the Xbox 360 for a higher price. 1UP has an article called "PS3: What the Cell is Going On?" (with examples), but I can't directly link to it.

Nintendo and Microsoft's consoles are currently profitable per unit (Microsoft's manufacturing costs have decreased dramatically). Sony is in a bad way with the PS3. Short supply with huge losses per unit. If Sony cuts the price, it's competitors can easily match and exceed that cut. A price war between Microsoft and Nintendo would be an unprecedented disaster for Sony. Imagine the reaction of the Big 3 American auto makers if Toyota and Honda had a price war in the U.S.

Re:Nintendo is outside the race (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039860)

Nintendo is going it's own way. If you want a traditional console with high definition graphics...

Yep. They're breaking with the "tradition" originally set by the Atari 2600 for high def graphics. I long for the days of crazy realistic graphics like that.

But seriously, it's Sony and MS who have broken with tradition. They've brought PC gaming graphics to the console world. Console games were always about fun games, not about graphics. You can't tell me that anyone played Atari for the graphics, but I logged a LOT of hours playing games on it anyway...because it was fun.

[blah blah blah uphill both ways in the snow blah blah blah] ;-)

Blue Ocean strategy (1)

KarmaPolice (212543) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039394)

What Nintendo is doing is called the Blue Ocean strategy. In books it's illustrated by a surfer on a blue ocean with no other surfers (competitors) around. The alternative is to be in the ocean around other competitors.

This is done by finding other factors to compete on in stead of having the same product as everyone else and basically just competing on the price. This attracts new customers who for some reason don't like Playstation or X-Box. So they have that market to them self...

So What? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17039532)

Translation from Bulls*** to English:
"We don't stand a chance in Hell of producing works of quality, so we're going to focus on making under-achieving mediocre software."

In other words, nothing has changed.

Now, if Nintendo promised to make MORE software, in the same breath, then we might have cause to give a damn. My Gamecube collection barely fills a shoebox.

Nintendo just cant compete with the hardware... (-1, Flamebait)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039814)

Its that simple. Nintendo cant compete on the hardware level. Nintendo barely even makes their own games these days.

All they did was buy motion sensing technology and designed a controller. They should just release it for PS3 and 360, and sell it for $200 :)

Re:Nintendo just cant compete with the hardware... (4, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039934)

Its that simple. Nintendo cant compete on the hardware level. Nintendo barely even makes their own games these days.

That's why the Gamecube (which was considered to be roughly as powerful as the XBox) was able to be released at the same time as the XBox, cost $100 less than the XBox and (unlike the XBox) was sold at a profit. Nintendo could have produced a system that was more powerful than the competition and charged less than the competition but would likely have lost market share; they needed something drastically different in order to attract gamers, and they needed something drastically less expensive to develop for to attract developers.

All they did was buy motion sensing technology and designed a controller. They should just release it for PS3 and 360, and sell it for $200 :)

With the exception of Guitar Hero and DDR I can't think of a single add on that was actually purchased by anyone ...

Re:Nintendo just cant compete with the hardware... (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040172)

Gamecube was a failure. I'm not talking about the buisness of the gamecube, i'm talking about the interest in it.

It was a failure. You think Nintendo really likes being second to Sony? How about third to Microsoft? You really think the mighty Nintendo is happy that has to take the buisness model of the V-tech video gaming system to compete? (Ok thats harsh) My point is they're pulling away from the gaming scene in some respects. They cant compete with Sony's ambitious custom hardware developement, or Xbox360's deep pockets.

Believe me, they know that they cant compete with the hardware. If they could, they might have tried.

I didnt say it was a bad move to try something new. Infact i applaud them for it greatly. I really hope the Wii is an incredible experience that lasts beyond the initial gimmick honeymoon phase. I really do. I'd like to try a Wii (friends have them bought for their children on xmas and cant open them) I'm looking forward to a new way of playing games. Can nintendo bring that? Perhaps...

Is it enough to hurt Sony and Microsoft? no. Is it enough to keep Nintendo alive in the home console market? not so sure about that. Sony and Microsoft could easily release a better, more developed controller device with similar/even more features... and still have a console that is by far superior.

My point is... i dont think its enough. It may be... and they may have convinced themselves that its ok to be last place in gaming... But thats really the beginning of the end of Nintendo has a serious gaming company if they're happy being last.... Cause the consumers are basically saying "you're not what i really want..."

Thats not good for nintendo. That controller is going to save their console division? Thats one hell of a gamble.

Of course nintendo isnt hurting money wise too much... just not the same deep pockets. Hell the DS is doing great. Better than Sony's PSP which Sony and developers seem to have forgotten about.

Its just not good for Nintendo. This is nintendo we're talkign about... the great nintendo... they seem content with being last and less desirable? Thats bullshit. They cant compete with the hardware, so they're tyring a different strategy. It's not a bad one .... but is it enough?

It seems like nintendo is already accepting that they will be in last place... That just doesnt sound good to me. If they keep their buisness going and running, employees employed, etc... so be it. In the end that matters just as much. But dont tell me they're happy with 3rd place :) We'll see how happy they are in 2 years.

Re:Nintendo just cant compete with the hardware... (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#17039996)

Please. Building a fast system isn't a huge challenge. Look at the PS3 and 360. They're huge systems. Look at a PS3 dissected. Half of the system is a giant heatsink. Nintendo could have made an uber system, put it in a big box, and sold it for $400-600 like MS and PS3.

Nintendo barely makes their own games? Umm, rethink that one. Sure, they have other companies take on projects for them, but Nintendo is the BIGGEST SOFTWARE company in the game industry. They release more games per year than anyone else, bottom line. Of course they're going to outsource work.

And don't worry about Nintendo selling it to their competitors, Sony and MS will steal it (heck, Sony half way already had with their new controller) like Nintendo's competition always has. You have dreamers and doers and you have followers...

Could we please stop linking to 1up.com? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17040014)

It's eternally slashdotted, and yet we still link to it on average once a day (it seems).

So companies work like people. (3, Interesting)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040118)

In other words, the more a company focuses on beating its competitors, rather than on the bottom line, the worse it is likely to do.

Interesting. Psychology studies have shown that when you compare people who have performance goals (focused on performing at a certain level to win outside approval or rewards, or avoid punishments) with those who have mastery goals (focused on mastering a task in order to learn, grow, reach personal goals, etc rather than to gain outside approval), the people with performance goals do much worse in the face of challenge. They adopt self-defeating behaviors and give up quickly, whereas the mastery-oriented people keep working at it and modify their strategies in useful ways.

I guess since companies are made up of a bunch of people, it makes sense that on some levels they work the same way as those people work. If they're focused on beating the outside competition, they falter, whereas if they're focused on improving themselves (even if that's profit-wise, since that's what's important to a company), they prosper.

The article got it wrong. (1)

BobandMax (95054) | more than 7 years ago | (#17040186)

"In other words, the more a company focuses on beating its competitors, rather than on the bottom line, the worse it is likely to do."

The more a company ignores what their customers really want, by looking only at competitors or the bottom line, the more likely they are to fail. (and deserve it!)
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