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PSP, PS2 Sales Skyrocket

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the can't-imagine-why dept.

PlayStation (Games) 196

Spurred by the scarcity of the PlayStation 3, hungry consumers are buying all the PSP and PS2 units they can get their hands on. The PSP's sales have shot up by 280 percent over last year, while the PS2 was up a respectable 115 percent. From the Eurogamer article: "Additionally, sales of first-party software are also up, according to SCEA. PS2 game sales rose by 120.6 per cent, with PSP software sales increasing by almost 168 per cent. Sony has yet to publish figures for exactly how many PlayStation 3 units have been sold in North America since the console launched there on 17th November."

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196 comments

Poor kids not getting what they want... (5, Funny)

JoostSchuttelaar (863737) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050368)

Poor kids getting a PlayStation 2 for XMas.... :)

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050704)

Poor families buying PS2 for their kids, makes sense to me.

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (4, Insightful)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050974)

Buying your consoles once they get to be one generation old saves a ton of money. I can't believe that a PS2 today can possibly be less fun than it would have been in 2001. There are more games, plus all the reviews are out and people really know what the best games for PS2 really are.

If you aren't rich, it sounds like a good plan to me.

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051462)

You forgot that there are tons of cheap used games that you can buy for a song.

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (1)

Hes Nikke (237581) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052060)

but the real gems are now scares.. *cough* katamari damacy... i *ALMOST* missed that boat...

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (1)

Lostconfused (1019042) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051948)

Well depends on the game. Most games that are good for single player are probably still as fun. If the game was focused on multiplayer aspect (well some are) then you are probably missing out on the fun since most people got bored and moved on. Also some games are now a pain in the arse to find, unfortunately.

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051004)

When I was a kid and my mom was working two jobs to support me because my dad was being a deadbeat, a friend of mine up the way living on welfare got a brand new sega genesis when they came out. The system is working!

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051110)

Seems you misunderstood the system, what did you think welfare was for? That kids parents probably voted for the right party and was just reaping the rewards.

A Staggering Chorus of Approval! (0, Redundant)

HeavenlyBankAcct (1024233) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051626)

Hey guys, I totally agree with you too!

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The war on terror is a war for peace
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Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (2, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051868)

Maybe his parents saved their pennies all year to get him that. Maybe they went all over town collecting aluminum cans to get that money. Maybe the kid got a paper route and paid for it himself.

My point is, you have no way of knowing how he got the money for that, and to condemn an entire system because some kid got something you wanted is absurd.

I grew up in a single parent home, and my mother worked 2 jobs and refused to apply for welfare, and yet I don't remember ever feeling any kind of contempt for anyone else getting something I wanted, whether they were on welfare or not.

Re:Poor kids not getting what they want... (1, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051978)

My point is, you have no way of knowing how he got the money for that, and to condemn an entire system because some kid got something you wanted is absurd.

Uh yes, I do have every way of knowing exactly how he got the money for that, because he told me. Welfare check came in, mom cashed it, mom took him to the store and bought him a genesis.

I grew up in a single parent home, and my mother worked 2 jobs and refused to apply for welfare, and yet I don't remember ever feeling any kind of contempt for anyone else getting something I wanted, whether they were on welfare or not.

My contempt isn't for him. It's for his mother, who I thought was a stupid bitch before this happened. Afterwards, I was sure. My mom would go out and work her ass off and pay taxes so my friend could have a new video game system. If that's okay with you, well, I'm glad you're so tolerant. Maybe you can just bend over and grease yourself and let people line up to fuck you.

we call this abuse of moderation (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052206)

See, a troll is where you say something you don't believe to elicit a desired response. I know this is complicated; maybe I should stop using the word "elicit" when I say this. However, this is a true story. I'd call the guy up and ask him to corroborate but I haven't talked to him in a few years. On a lighter note, I just metamoderated and got to wipe out two total bullshit moderations. One of them was a politically motivated downvoting. The other one was a comment saying something to the effect of "too bad you're a big faggot" that had been modded up for being "insightful". It's too bad that the so-called editorship of slashdot isn't actually doing anything.

Is this from the PS3 (5, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050386)

Just as a question, is this really from interest in the PS3 or could it be something else? I don't know about the PSP but The PS2 has had Final Fantasy XII and Guitar Hero II released in November with Okami and Bully released not too long ago. Could the sales actually be more directly releated to the fact that these systems are providing more gaming content for far less money than any of the "Next Generation" competition? Seriously, with budget games you could buy a PS2 a second controller and 4 or 5 games for the price of a Wii; compared to the XBox 360/PS3 you could probably get close to 20 games ...

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

Skreems (598317) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050570)

Two weekends ago, I bought a PS2, GH 1 and 2, Katamari, and several other games. Yeah, Guitar Hero had something to do with wanting it. I'm also hoping to get a Wii once they're readily available. I'd owned an Xbox for a while but got rid of it a year ago because I never used the thing.

I have to say that this was at least in part spurred by my realization that I never, never wanted to get a PS3. Too damn expensive, too much focus on flashy graphics rather than gameplay. I'm a big believer in the idea that the best games will come out once using the technical aspects of the console has become second nature, and gameplay is the only area left to explore. Why buy an expensive new console that will be teaming with rehashes of old games with shinier guns, when the PS2 just hit its peak?

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

Skreems (598317) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050702)

Gah... hit post too early.

To continue the thought above: I hope that developers look at the PS3 and see it for the giant money sink that it is, then take their teams and put them back on developing great games for the PS2. Think about it: the machine's powerful enough to get some great graphics out of it; instead of an install base of 300k, you have 100 million (plus all of the 300k as well); known tech means lower cost means more money to spend on art, story, gameplay testing, etc. Look at Shadow of The Colossus, FF12, God of War, etc. The console doesn't have to be over yet.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

_Hiro_ (151911) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051070)

I wholly agree. After all, a few of the best PS1 games (Arc the Lad Collection for one) came out AFTER the PS2 was already widely available. There is no reason to stop development on the PS2 just because the PS3 is "out".

And with everything being backwards compatible, maybe a few colleges or groups of friends could pick up some PS2 / GameCube devkits on the cheap and we'll see some new 3rd Parties crop up out of cheaply available devkits?

That is, if Sony will OK the release of anything that isn't made by EA.....

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050654)

I got a PSP when they were first released in Asia. I am only just starting to use it regularly, it is only now that good games are being released for it.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

smithbp (1002301) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052516)

I am by no means a fanboy of any of the consoles or software companies out there. I have at one point owned almost every major system since the NES. I had an XBOX for a couple years that I bought for Halo 2. I gave the XBOX to my brother and had traded in the PS2, which I had traded in a GC to get, to get the XBOX in the first place. I got screwed on the 360 launch and sold it a week after I finally got it, having never opened it. This left me consoleless for a while until I got the itch to get a PSP. I began to realize something when using the PSP, I don't have a ton of time to devote to gaming. The games that were available for the PSP were involved and required a significant portion of time to enjoy. I traded the PSP and two games in straight up for a DS Lite and think that it was one of the best deals I have ever gotten. The games that I have are fun, intuitive and don't require a ton of time to play. The interface for a number of the games, using the stylus, adds something new and allows for an enhanced gameplay experience. The DS Lite got me pumped for the Wii, which I have had since launch day. I have been able to play the system a bit more than I normally would due to the interactive gameplay and intuitive nature of the controls, which got my wife interested in playing Wii sports. Not only does the system offer great titles in wii sports and TP, it also allows for people who would normally never touch a controller to get involved. This is what the PS2 developers are shooting for with games like DDR and Guitar Hero. People should buy a system based on what they are looking to do, not based on the media blitz that it gets. The enjoyability of a game has nothing to do with how shiny or pretty it is.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051000)

Not to mention next-gen console owners who still have their PS2 would probably rather spend twenty bucks on a retro game collection than an average of 5 bucks per game from an online service.

Waiting for price drops (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051008)

My early-gen PS2 has been broken for a while now. I figured rather than waste time or money repairing the old one, I'd just wait for the PS3 thing to happen and die down, since this would surely result in a price drop for the last batch of PS2s, and I could replace my cranky old console on the cheap. This certainly does seem to be the case at the moment, and I imagine after the holidays the price of a PS2 will go down even further.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051312)

It might also be a sign of things to come. All those people who are denied a PS3 (because of shortages) buy a PS2 and games for that because they know they can move up to a PS3 when they become more available. In the meantime Sony makes money and denies a potential convert to another platform.

Anyway concerning the PS2, it is interesting to note that there are new games coming out for it and it is still selling by the shitload. Contrast with the XBox which Microsoft have virtually killed stone dead barely 4 years after it was launched. The moral here is that if you want a console with a shelf life of more than 4 years you're probably better off not buying an XBox.

Even Nintendo have shown a disturbing trend with their handhelds of putting out one revision after another, each promising to fix the flaws in the last version. If they carry that over to the Wii, I fully expect Wii MkII will trumpet all the bustage from the first model that the second claims to fix - HD output, DVD playback, a strap that doesn't break, a more precise remote etc.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051394)

"All those people who are denied a PS3 (because of shortages) buy a PS2 and games for that because they know they can move up to a PS3 when they become more available."
I doubt "all" (or even most) of the potential early adopters of the PS3 don't already own a PS2.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051618)

If you discount people who were looking to buy a PS3 to sell it on eBay, I'm willing to bet that over 90% of people who were looking to buy a PS3 already owned a PS2. $500/$600 is a lot of money to most people, and you'd have to be a pretty dedicated gamer to be willing to spend that kind of money which implies that you have been a dedicated gamer for a while and have "faith" in the Playstation brand; in other words you're probably among the to 5% most "hard-core" Playstation 2 owners.

No one wakes up one morning and says "Hmmm ... I think I'm going to take up gaming today, here is $600 Mr. Sony!" Purchasing a "Next-Generation" system is a thought out act by people who are already in gaming. If you're buying a PS2 today you're likely buying it because you own a broken PS2 or you want to play a particular game; I know several people who are not typical gamers (don't own any systems) who have shown interest in games like Guitar Hero II. People who buy a PS2 today are unlikely to consider a PS3 until 2010.

Re:Is this from the PS3 (1)

Maul (83993) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051906)

Even Nintendo have shown a disturbing trend with their handhelds of putting out one revision after another, each promising to fix the flaws in the last version.

The GBA, GBA SP, and GB Micro are all basically the same system as far as the games they can play. The same goes for the DS and the DS Lite. This is not exactly comparable to the original XBox and the 360.

Also driven by Walmart (2, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050390)

A big factor in this, I would assume, is that Walmart was selling them for $160 each on Black Friday, with no apparent limit. One of my co-workers bought three - one for him, two for his kids. Combine that with some new, non-sucky games and the prospect of PS3 integration, and it could be the PSP will see a revival of sorts.

Re:Also driven by Walmart (1)

aneurysm36 (459092) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050424)

that, and guitar hero 2.

Re:Also driven by Walmart (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050510)

Nothing prospect about it. Downloadable PS1 games are being provided through the PS3 service for the PSP in their first retro iteration. Granted it would make more sense to have it work on the PS3 as well, but that's "marketing-logic" (the same kind of logic that allows anvils to be pulled out of thin air) for ya. I'm looking forward to it not only because the PSP will get a larger library, but beccausee there's lots of PS1 titles that are obscure and otherwise impossible to find.

Re:Also driven by Walmart (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051646)

I'm looking forward to it not only because the PSP will get a larger library, but beccausee there's lots of PS1 titles that are obscure and otherwise impossible to find.

I could be wrong, but I get the feeling you won't be seeing some of those obscure PS1 titles available for the PSP.

Re:Also driven by Walmart (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052294)

Actually, the consoles are only $129. It looks like Wal-Mart is actually doing some decent bundling. For $129, you get the console. For $154 ($25 more) you get an extra controller and two games (not the best, but decent ones). Thanks to the PS2's huge install base, games get "Greatest Hits" status quickly: Shadow of the Colossus (a fantastic game) is only $20. As great as the Wii and the 360 are (and as the PS3 might become), for $300-$400 your best bet is still a previous gen console.

It's that time of the year (3, Insightful)

medeii (472309) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050416)

Spurred by the scarcity of the PlayStation 3...

You mean, "Spurred by the impending holiday." It's highly unlikely that the upswing in PS2 sales has any meaningful correlation with PS3 scarcity; after all, I still don't know a single person who actually plans to get one. The PS2 and PSP, however, are still as viable (and cheap, comparatively!) as they were a month ago.

no the numbers are compared with last year (2, Informative)

skiingyac (262641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051164)

I agree the scarcity of the PS3 argument is a bit of a stretch, but the sales figures are compared with last year (according to the summary), so any holiday-related factor is already being considered.

PSP game sales (4, Funny)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050418)

So... PSP software sales increased from 100 total units to 268? Or am I being generous?

Re:PSP game sales (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050666)

No, you're being an ill-informed douchebag actually. But thanks for the effort.

Hungry consumers? (2, Insightful)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050496)

I don't buy the "hungry consumers" line at all. People saw the $600-700 price tag of the PS3 and choked in addition to the extreme shortage of PS3s, so they bought the next best thing. That's all.

I was in EBGames to pick up a Wii yesterday and saw brand new PS2s for $129. The PS2 already has a huge established base of games and it's much cheaper than the PS3. Think about it! You can get a Wii, PS2, and base XBox 360 for the same price as a PS3! I'm still considering getting a PS2 if only to play the Guitar hero series.

I don't think it has anything to do with "hungry consumers" as much as it does people who lost their appetite over the whole PS3 debacle. Instead of buying some $600-$700 gourmet dinner (to keep up the "hungry consumers" metaphor) at an elite restaurant that few people can get into, they came to their senses and decided that not only would a family meal at a quality restaurant be cheaper, it has a better variety of dinners, can hold more customers at a time, and is a much, much better value overall.

If news about a surge in PS2 sales comes as a surprise to anyone, the human gene pool is in need of a bit more chlorine.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050690)

re:"You can get a Wii, PS2, and base XBox 360 for the same price as a PS3!"

It's now official - our schools can't teach math worth a FUCK.

Wii - 250.00
PS2 - 129.00
Xbox 360 - core system - 299.00
= 678.00

And fuck-you if you're trotting out "well you didn't count games" - because you'd buy them for the other systems as well jackass.

No shit. (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050836)

Well, no shit that you'd have to buy the games for each one! That's, you know, a given, so it makes to sense to throw those into the mix.

Oh, and with MicroCenter's $100 rebate on the XBox360, that total comes down to $578. (Supposedly there's also a $200 rebate with the purchase of an Xbox 360 at MicroCenter if you switch to Vonage as well, but I have no interest in Vonage.) So, yes, the three can be purchased for the cost of a PS3 or less. And at least the Wii gives you Wii Sports, unlike the others that don't give you a game at all.

Re:No shit. (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050952)

Who buys a core 360? And rebates are a cheap way out, nobody said that beforehand :-)

Re:No shit. (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051006)

Oh, rebates do indeed suck. I'm not denying that. I hate them; but unless I absolutely need to save money in the here and now, they not always enough to sway me from using them. (Of course, a $100 rebate for a $400 system is nothing to sneeze at.) But when all of the rebate dust has settled, the final cost of the three is still less than a PS3. And no one said that a core 360 is the best option, but it's still a viable purchase choice.

Re:Hungry consumers? (2, Insightful)

Franio (964631) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050840)

Microcenter has a $100 rebate for xbox 360, so:

Wii - 250.00
PS2 - 129.00
Xbox 360 - core system - 199.00
= 578.00

Less than the $599 PS3.

Re:Hungry consumers? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050996)

Kudos for the Xbox fanboy who had the guts to mod this retard up! Ballsy even for a fanboy!

So let's see...

You inflated the PS3's price by 100 dollars - the PS3 costs $499

You used the worthless Core version with no harddrive - add $100 buck just for the 20 gig add on

You don't include the 50 dollars you are forced to play online games by Microsoft

Yeah, great system the 360. No wonder it is getting marked down so much by retailers and is selling worse than the first Xbox.

Re:Hungry consumers? (0, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051066)

That and where the fuck is a MicroCenter? Is that in flyover country? Yah - I'll just order some plane tickets and head on over there - oop - that would be adding to the cost...

Re:Hungry consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051148)

What, are you 13 or something?

Grow up.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

Franio (964631) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052232)

I was simply clarifying how the parent could get the 3 systems for the price of 1 ps3 from. It wasn't my idea.

Seems that console wars bring out the worst in people.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

rpdillon (715137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051354)

You forgot to mention that I can buy Wii games for $10 less than PS3 games ($50 vs $60), and PS2 games for $40 less than PS3 games ($20 for most of the PS2 "greats" vs. $60 for *any* PS3 game). So, that stunning $80 margin you're going on about goes away pretty quickly after a couple of video game purchases, nevermind that the Wii comes with a game included. And that virtual console games are anywhere from $5 to $10.

$599 PS3
$60 x 5 = $300 F.E.A.R, Resistance: FOM, Sonic, CoD3, Untold Legends
================
$899 Total PS3 + 5 games

$250 Wii (includes Wii Sports)
$50 Zelda: TP for Wii
$129 PS2
$20 x 3 God of War + MGS3 + GTA3
$299 360 Core
$60 Halo3 (or other ultra-new game)
$30 Burnout Revenge (or some other older game)
==========
$878 Total package of three consoles with 6 games (7 including Wii sports)

And this doesn't even include the discounts available for the 360 right now. It is MORE than $100 cheaper than the PS3 option after 360 discounts. I could probably squeeze another value-title for 360 or PS2 in there to even up the totals, but you get the point. All prices are as seen on Amazon, btw.

What's that about our schools teaching math? That's right, this was never about math, it was about knowing good value and not being a fanboy. Here's a tip: anytime you're arguing that the latest, hottest, most advanced gadget is a good value, you're probably going to be wrong.

Re:Hungry consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050696)

"You can get a Wii, PS2, and base XBox 360 for the same price as a PS3!"

What an idiot.

PS3 $499 - free online - no need to buy a PS2

PS2 $129
Wii $250
360 $399 - Online play not included. 50 dollars a year.
Total: $780 + ~$250 if you want to play games online over the next five years.

Here's your chlorine. No, please, we insist...

Re:Hungry consumers? (2)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050960)

yawn

See the replies above. You can get all three game systems for $578, possibly $378 if what I heard about Vonage is correct.

Then again, if you're such a moron that you feel the need to reply under AC, your little rant has no credibility anyway.

Re:Hungry consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051018)

You just got bitchslapped by numerous posters. Go cry to someone else sweatheart.

Re:Hungry consumers? (0, Offtopic)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051080)

Ri-i-i-i-ight. Bitchslapped by two inaccurate posts, one of whom is an AC troll. Not much of a bitchslap. In fact, you missed.

Re:Hungry consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051972)

Hit with an off-topic? Looks like you also forgot about the moderator trolls as well.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

cerebud (868302) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051028)

Check your math and do your homework please. The Wii costs $250, the core Xbox 360 costs $300, and the PS2 at Best Buy goes for $190. That's $740 (or $680 if you buy your PS2 at EB). A 20GB PS3 costs $500.

Why not compare the Blu-Ray capabilities of the PS3? A blu-ray player on its own will cost you $900 - minimum! You're getting one $400 cheaper!! If you have HDTV, it's a no brainer.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

calbanese (169547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051556)

I have 2 HDTVs. I don't care about Blu-Ray at $900. Its retarded to say its a no brainer. I don't know that Blu-Ray will win, I don't know that HD-DVD will win, I don't know if Digital Downloads will win (nor do I have a preference at the moment). I do know I don't need to spend $900 or $600 to be the first to watch Talladega Nights or Stealth in 1080p.

Just because Blu-Ray players are $900 and the PS3 is a $600 Blu-Ray player doesn't mean that Blu-Ray is worth either price. Nor does it make it a no-brainer. If someone wants a Blu-Ray player then maybe its a good deal for them. But stop saying that all HDTV owners need a PS3 for Blu-Ray when its obvious that they don't.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

cerebud (868302) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051798)

I was just pointing out that the difference in price isn't as big a deal, it's the features that you want that you're willing to shell out for. I wouldn't have bought a blu-ray player on its own at $900, but throw it in a next-gen gaming system with lots of other features, and the $500 or $600 is plenty worth it. I was really trying to make the point that being able to buy three systems for (nearly) the same as a core PS3 is irrelevant, if you have no interest in a PS2, Wii or 360.

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

calbanese (169547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052432)

But is it really worth the $200 more than a 360? Its entirely possible that the Blu-Ray feature will be useless in 2 or 3 years. At least with the 360, you have the option of buying the drive, and in theory MS could release a Blu-Ray drive if that format does win. The PS3 could have been a $299/$399 console (maybe lower) but Sony decided to force Blu-Ray on consumers and claim its a great idea to pay extra to get benefits that few people currently can use (and by the time Hi-Def becomes "standard" in homes, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD will have won).

Personally, I'd rather get a Wii and 360 than a PS3 and Blu-ray and that might be a better way of looking at it for most people. The rebate issue aside, you can get a Premium 360 from overstock or dell for about $340. $340 + $250 (Wii) = $590. Cheaper than the high-end PS3, plays *almost* the same games (as of now) and still allows you to choose Blu-ray or HD-DVD (or use the Xbox Live Marketplace) for hi-def movies.

Now if you want HD-DVD & an Xbox 360 the price comparable to the PS3, but its not required, and I would bet the price of the HD-DVD addon drops faster than the PS3. Likewise, the 360 should drop in price faster than the PS3.

Blu-Ray on the PS3 is simple tying. Everyone flipped out when Microsoft tied Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player by including it with Windows - that was the point of the antitrust trials in the US and Europe. The difference, of course, is that Microsoft has a monopoly in the Desktop OS market. I would love to know if the PS1/PS2 has anywhere near the marketshare that Windows has and see if the outcry would be the same.

Re:Hungry consumers? (2, Informative)

Don853 (978535) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052032)

You're using the base price of the 360 and the deluxe price of the PS3, so there's a $100 discrepency you're ignoring.

The xbox 360 core (no hard drive) is far more gimped than the PS3 base model.

The rebate [mentioned elsewhere in the thread] is only useful to a pretty limited number of people - Microcenter doesn't sell the 360 online and there are only 19 retail locations in the country, at least according to their website.

The PS3 costs $500-$600, not $600-$700. Presumably you use these numbers to make your argument look better?

There new competitors to the PS2 that were not there last year. It probably wouldn't have surprised many people if the Wii had taken a big chunk out of PS2 sales, because it's not nearly as expensive as the PS3 or 360.

Yeah, otherwise this is an insightful post.

If people are choking on price, then why eBay? (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052286)

Although prices have dipped a little, most 60GB PS3's are still selling for over a thousand on eBay - around $1200-$1400 if you are a seller with any kind of reputation.

So if people are "choking on the price" why are they still selling for so much on eBay?

I went into a Target yesterday and asked if they had any PS3. He said they had a shipment a few days ago, but they were gone within a few minutes. If the price is a problem, why does it take minutes to unload them at retail?

There probably is a point at which sales would drop off at the current price. But from the looks of things, that point is probably well over a million units, after which Sony can start slowly giving price breaks (or at least incentives like pack-in games).

Re:Hungry consumers? (1)

euxneks (516538) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052646)

If news about a surge in PS2 sales comes as a surprise to anyone, the human gene pool is in need of a bit more chlorine.

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I mean, so what if someone can't predict the software/hardware gaming - it's not like they need to be taken from the gene pool. How useful is a trait like predicting hardware or software sales - I doubt it's enough that if one doesn't have it they should be removed from the gene pool...

Alert the publishers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050500)

Slashdot has determined the true cause of increased product sales before holiday season -- the release of something better!

The question is... (2, Interesting)

Robot Randy (982296) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050522)

How many of the PS2s are being purchased by Grandparents who don't realise that when Little Billy asked for the new Playstation for Christmas, he meant a PS3, not just any version...

I was walking through the local Fry's last night and was wondering why they were stacking the PS2s in the main walkway. Seemed to me there might be a more popular item to stick in the high traffic areas, but maybe they were sold out of everything else.

Re:The question is... (2, Funny)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050726)

How many of the PS2s are being purchased by Grandparents who don't realise that when Little Billy asked for the new Playstation for Christmas, he meant a PS3, not just any version...


The sad thing about this is Little Billy(tm) will obstinately shun the PS2 in front of the Grandparents. Billy is such an ingrateful bastard.

Re:The question is... (3, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050798)

How many of the PS2s are being purchased by Grandparents who don't realise that when Little Billy asked for the new Playstation for Christmas, he meant a PS3, not just any version...

I was walking through the local Fry's last night and was wondering why they were stacking the PS2s in the main walkway. Seemed to me there might be a more popular item to stick in the high traffic areas, but maybe they were sold out of everything else.


I think you overestimate the demand for new consoles (not just the PS3), this is the sales numbers for 2006 up to (and including) October

  1. Nintendo DS: 3,152,500
  2. PS2: 3,131,500
  3. XBox 360: 2,533,500
  4. GBA: 2,060,500
  5. PSP: 1,889,000
  6. Gamecube: 525,500
  7. XBox: 424,000
  8. Playstation: 9,500


Now, the Nintendo DS was being outsold by the GBA until they released the DS lite ...

The fact is that most people buy a system really late in its life, and that all those people who bought a Playstation since 2000 may now be starting to upgrade to the PS2. Most of the time we think of how average (or below average) our income is compared to everyone we know, when you actually compare your household income to the mean you'd probably find out that you were quite wealthy (the mean household income in Canada is $50,000 meaning that 50% of households make less than that; I expect that the US is very similar). Half of consumers aren't questioning whether they should 'upgrade' to a HDTV, they're thinking whether they should replace their 20 year old 20 inch TV with one of those fancy 32 inch CRT TVs.

Re:The question is... (1)

Robot Randy (982296) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051092)

I didn't overestimate anything... I'm just thinking that since the PS2 has been out for so many years that there must be something that'll sell better than this. (Wii, PS3, TMX Elmo, Mindstorms NXT, Talk With Me Barbie 2.0, Atari 1450XLD, Duke Nukem Forever, etc. You choose your favorite hard to find electronics/game of choice.)

Massive Numbers Of Quality PS2 Titles (5, Insightful)

RichardMarks (1011125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050578)

Just off the top of my head:

Okami
Final Fantasy XII
Guitar Hero II
Bully

are new major releases. And God of War 2 is on the horizon. And then you have the massive number existing PS2 titles - the single greatest game library for a console ever all at cheap prices now. Huge numbers of major PS2 titles can be bought for 19.99 now.

All that for 130 dollars.

And PSP sales are most likely going to continue to go up now that the PS3 has arrived and has so many PS3/PSP connectivity features - remote viewing of your PS3 over wireless and soon remote play of PS3 games on your PSP.

Re:Massive Numbers Of Quality PS2 Titles (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051592)

not to mention those of us that have HDAdvance 3.0, a 160 gig hard drive, and a blockbuster gamepass:-)

And yet the DS is ignored. (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050584)

The DS is still outselling the PSP. Many stores around here either have discounted old stock DS and are out of the DSLite which is the current model. Yet they still have plenty of PSP's.

Glad to see them sell a bit faster, considering now they are reasonably priced at $199.00 new..

The PSP is a cool device, it feels nicer than the PSP, It simply does not have the games or the game prices to entice parents to buy them.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (0)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050850)

The DS is still outselling the PSP. Many stores around here either have discounted old stock DS and are out of the DSLite which is the current model. Yet they still have plenty of PSP's.
 
Glad to see them sell a bit faster, considering now they are reasonably priced at $199.00 new..
 
The PSP is a cool device, it feels nicer than the PSP, It simply does not have the games or the game prices to entice parents to buy them.
 
 
That's hard to believe. Here in New York City, public transportation is big as you might know. People do all sorts of stuff on trains, reading is still the #1 activity as our many tabloid newspapers will indicate to you.

I almost NEVER see anyone play a DS on the subway. Not a day goes by I don't see someone with a PSP.

That's the only statistic I need.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051162)

Old people play PSPs, young people play DSes. Your statistics suck.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051186)

Maybe it's just that the price of a PSP is a smaller piece of your income if you can afford to live in NYC. On the rare occasion that I see anyone in public with a handheld, it's a DS or DS lite.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (0)

benzapp (464105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052590)

Umm, I don't think anyone with a job finds $70 to be that important unless they are dirt poor.

Poorer socioeconomic folks use PSP's. Rich white kids use ipods and read the new yorker.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (1)

the_wishbone (1018542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051286)

I see nothing but rednecks all day...I wonder if the rest of the world is comprised entirely of them? Did ya try actually looking at the numbers? Try checking out Amazon's bestsellers for the Computer and Video Games category for an idea.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (1)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051720)

A grand whopping total of 20-something of my 30-something immediate co-workers have Nintendo DS's.

Only one has a PSP, and that's me.

It's STILL a daily thing to see them doing Mario Kart at work between shifts or on breaks or before/after work.

It's worth noting that most of my co-workers are in their 30's.

Statistics are totally worthless, even those I just gave above.

Re:And yet the DS is ignored. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051384)

But the article wasn't about the DS, or even overall console sales. It was an article mentioning that PSP and PS2 sales have gone up. No comparison to any other consoles were made.

Interestign numbers (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050594)

they are selling 2-3x the amount of hardware and software then they did at the same time last year for the PS2 and PSP (all of this is for USA/Canada). I honestly don't see any reason WHY.

IT has nothing to do with people wnatign a PS3 and setteling for a PSP/PS2, as that is just faulty logic. It might be people buying PS2/P when little timmy wants a PS3 (but that does not really seem like sound reasoning to me either).

Mabey it has something to do with the 360 already being out for a year now. I am willing to bet that the introduction of the 360 into the market hurt sony/nintendo hardware sales during that time, and thus also game sales.
The same could be said about the PSP and the DS, the PSP launched a few months before the DS and thus people already had picked it up, and their games. Then, intime for the holiday season, Nintendo released the DS.

What about there being better games out?
Yah, PS2 has some great games out atm, did it lack in games last holiday season? honestly not sure, can any one vouch for/against that?
PSP? Not that I know of. As far as I can tell the PSP still has lack luster games, jsut like last year.

any one got some better ideas?

Re:Interestign numbers (0, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050790)

re:"As far as I can tell the PSP still has lack luster games, jsut like last year."

Fuck you #1: This year, Vice City Stories.

Fuck you #2: Last year, Liberty City Stories.

There's also a shitload of other titles available but I won't list them because it's a waste of time for trollcunts like yourself.

Re:Interestign numbers (2, Funny)

Prophet of Nixon (842081) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050926)

Is this a rebuttal or a proof? The tone says rebuttal, but the evidence offered says otherwise...

Re:Interestign numbers (0, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051094)

Right - highest grossing franchise in the PS2 and PSP's history. Yuck yuck - they're not any good. I guess Zelda and Mario must suck to high heaven too then - because you know - people bought them in droves. Fuck-you again!

Re:Interestign numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051196)

stop being a moron with the fuck you's

Re:Interestign numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051250)

You are just an angry little man arent you? All I see if F this F that from you and continual insults. Its people such as your self that ruin the effort spent to read constructive posts from other people on sites such as this.

Re:Interestign numbers (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050842)

I think it's simple. The PS2 is still the best console out there, hands down. It's near the top in terms of performance, it has great backwards compatiblity with the PS1, it's *tiny*, it plays DVD's, it plays music, it has probably the largest number of available games right now, etc., etc. Hell, the PS2 is still the center of all of my AV stuff. It's my games box, my DVD player, and my CD player. And, I'm still buying new games for it, because the new games are really very slick right now. The developers are clearly exploiting the PS2 completely, and it shows.

Re:Interestign numbers (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051264)

Sorta true. The PS2 has THE BEST line up of games, I am 100% behind you on that, and I am really tihnking of buying a PS2 for alot of those games (GH 1/2 come to mind in a split second, the FF games, Okami, and hundreds of other come to mind in a few secodns after that).

2 points of contention:
1) The hardware is the WORST of all systems in the game atm. This does not stop it from having the best games obviously (much as to why I argue the Wii will do so well, hardware is not the be all, end all, but it helps).

2) This does not explain why the PS2 sales figgures are goign up so much. Remember, this is not PS2 vs 360 or anytihng like that, it is PS2 vs PS2, this month vs last month (well, they are breakign it down into weeks). Why is the PS2 moving somany more units this holiday season then they did last?

Another random thoguht I just had is that last year the slimline PS2 was released and sold out constantly, that might explain for some of the increase in sales, a simple increase in manufacturing.

Re:Interestign numbers (1)

cptgrudge (177113) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051412)

Get a used XBox, put XBox Media Center [xboxmediacenter.de] on it, and then get back to me if your PS2 is still "the center of all your AV stuff". I haven't turned on my PS2 for months, but I don't really play video games anymore. Both the XBox and PS2 have decent games.

Of course, the average consumer probably won't use XBMC, and the PS2 is a great system. I remember years ago when an acquaintance of mine bought a Dreamcast for his kids instead of a new XBox or PS2. His reasoning was that it was inexpensive and there were still decent games for it. I imagine people now are doing much the same thing, but with the PS2, there are even more games, functionality, and potential with the system.

Obviously, there are consumers that just don't see the reasons for a "next-gen" system right now.

Re:Interestign numbers (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051802)

The PS2 is at the bottom in terms of performance, in fact.

The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17050684)

How many of these PS2 and PSPs will be returned after christmas because (grand)mom/dad picked up a "Playstation" branded product because they didnt have any PS3s. And as stated above FF12/Bully/GH2 played their parts.

Possible Explanations (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050942)

Could be many of these sales are people who waited to buy a console gambling they would get a PS3. Now they are realizing that the PS3 is not worth the money and are buying a PS2 and a PSP with the money they had saved up.

It could also be people replacing the old PS2 systems they sold to get money to get a PS3.

Gamecube (2, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17050962)

I don't see this as odd. I've just been thinking that now would be a good time to purchase classic Gamecube games, so I can play them when I have a wii.

Re:Gamecube (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051222)

Gamecube games this generation should be like PS1 games last generation. PS1 games have only started to disappear within the last year. Gamecube games should still be readily available throughout most of the Wii's lifespan, one big advantage of backward compatibility. New GC games can still be made too for the same reason.

Irony (1)

Saffaya (702234) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051130)

PS3's strongest contender is the PS2.
How sweet is that ?

Re:Irony (4, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051444)

PS3's strongest contender is the PS2.
How sweet is that ?


Not to reduce your obvious excitement, but it is highly likely that through the holiday season the system sales will likely go:

  1. Nintendo DS
  2. Playstation 2
  3. XBox 360
  4. Nintendo Wii
  5. PSP
  6. GBA
  7. Gamecube
  8. Playstation 3
  9. XBox


(I admit that the order could be shuffled, but the "general placement" is probably nearly correct)

Until the Playstation 3's supply increases it will likely be outsold by nearly every other console on the market, and it would be selling in the range of the Gamecube; even if the undersupply reports are false it is likely that the PS3 will be selling in the range of the GBA. It remains to be seen what the PS3 will sell like when the supply issues are worked out, but being that most system sales happen after the system costs less that $200 I expect the $500/$600 PS3 will not be in the league of the $130 PS2.

Re:Irony (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052114)

I have to question the gamecube's location... Do you actually expect a lot of GC sales, even though the Wii plays GC games, or do you expect the shortage of PS3's to bring it's number low enough to undersell the GC?

Re:Irony (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052434)

My estimation method was not particularly scientific ...

I basically eyeballed the October 2005 chart and watched how sales of systems changed over the months of November/December (with particular note of how the XBox 360 vs. XBox sales went) and then applied that to the October 2006 chart ...

As a rough guestimate I would say that the Gamecube will be selling between 500,000 and 750,000 over the holiday period with the GBA in the 750,000-1,500,000 range; depending on how well supplied the PS3 is the Gamecube could outsell the PS3.

My point wasn't necessarily that the "Gamecube would outsell the PS3" as much as the PS3 will likely not be in the top 5 best selling gaming systems in the holiday months of 2006.

Zonked! (0, Offtopic)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051182)

Ahh zonk, there you go with your Sony FUD afain. When are you going to stop your XBox fanboyism and report the truth? [/sarcasm]

Sorry, the anti-zonk contingent seemed mysteriously quiet, so i thought i out to step in and field this one for them.

Not totally anti-Sony (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052382)

The thing is, I don't really see this particular article as anti-Sony - the people that buy PS2's now are more likely to buy PS3's later instead of some other console (since they can keep playing the same games).

So even if the intent was anti-Sony, if the effect is not I don't really raise any objection to the story. At least this one is fairly factual.

Happened to me... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17051210)

Well about a month ago I got all excited about the upcoming ps3 and wii release, and in impulse bought an xbox 360, so all this hype in general is helping the entire console industry.

Interesting (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051230)

98 % of the slashdotters answered in some poll that they won't buy it. So the question is: who's buying then?

Old dogs don't need to be taught new tricks (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051274)

I generally wait a good 3 years or so into a console's life before buying it (except for the SNES...got that for my 11th birthday a couple days after release) The advantages are numerous:

-Large title selection
-CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP prices (example: just got quantum redshift for my xbox for 3 dollars from gamestop. THREE DOLLARS!!!)
-consoles have had their hardware revisions and work better
-gives me more time to finish the games that have been released

I have a 360 (again, a gift) and I am VERY seriously considering buying a Wii, but my Xbox and PS2 get MUCH more action than the 360...Just 8 months ago I finally finished the dreamcast games that I have (all 10 of em...yea, my 'cast didn't get much playtime, but I loved the playtime it got) and am jonesing to buy a gamecube soon.

Then again, if I bought a Wii, I would effectively have a Wii AND a gamecube...regardless, there is nothing wrong with waiting for systems to be around for a bit. I actually encourage people to do so! It will give you much more entertainment, much less money spent (or more for the same amount of money) and allows you to build MASSIVE game libraries for next to nothing.

I'm sure people have way more than this, but between NES, SNES, Game Boy & GBA, Xeye (that's a Genesis and a SegaCD in one case), Dreamcast, N64, Xbox, PS2, I EASILY EASILY have over 250 games...that doesn't include my PC either!

How was I able to afford all this? Not buying them the instant they come out:-)

Must be mistaken identity.. (2, Insightful)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051628)

Ok I can understand the PS2, but I own a PSP and I have to say there's not much reason to give it to a kid. It's great for a inexpensive music player that plays games, but I bought mine for 200 dollars, and 6 games came with it and I still think I overpaid.

280 percent? That's definatly a case of mistaken identity.

Another reason for cutting the price of the 360 (1)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051910)

There are several different options when buying a game console for Christmas. The Xbox and Gamecube have been all but discontinued because of the next generation game consoles. The PS3 is in such short supply that getting one is unlikely. There are more Wiis, but devoted Nintendo fans will snatch them up as soon as they hit stores. The average parent won't be monitoring the stores for new shipments. This leaves the Xbox 360 and the PS2. The high and low cost consoles. The console-educated consumer will buy the console that has the experience that they want. The console-uneducated consumer (most parents) will buy whichever falls into their price range. If the parents have plenty of money, they'll buy a 360. If they want to save money during Christmas, the PS2 is the good choice. If there were more Wiis available, things might be different.

If you compare the price of a 360 and a PS2, the 360 looks too expensive. There is no way that Microsoft can close that gap. However if they bring the price of the 360 closer, more customers will be spend the extra money for the newer console. Sony wants gamers to use the PS2 until they can bring down the manufacturing costs of the PS3 and lower the price. Microsoft has to win over as many gamers as possible before the PS3 comes down in price.

Oh, that summary is way way off (2, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#17051954)

That is not an increas eover the past year. FTA:
In a statement, communications boss David Karraker said the top five retailers in North America were reporting a week-by-week rise in PS2 hardware sales of more than 115 per cent over the Thanksgiving period. Sales of PSP units, meanwhile, were up by 280 per cent.
That is not over the past year; that is a week-to-week increase.

Two reasons:
(1) Almost every entertainment good sees a rise in sales post-Thanksgiving;
(2) As others have pointed out, those who could not get PS3 may have opted to get PSP instead (hence the huge rise in sales, rather than the small bump for the PS2).

Newsflash: Company says its products are selling better in the US during the holiday shopping season.

Nothing to see here, please move along.

I Got One (1)

tommyj1986 (1004101) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052164)

I just picked up my first game console ever. A PS2 with Bully, and I can get like 3 or 4 pretty good used games for the cost of a new Xbox 360 game. I am not a serious gamer so this works great for my budget. Maybe next year if I get a little more serious I'll think about spending the money on one of the new ones.

It all comes down to numbers, folks. (1)

shidoshi (567151) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052208)

Percentages mean nothing without the actual sales numbers behind them. While a 280% increase sounds great, that's just a number you say to sound big, because you don't know what the hard sales numbers were before and after this increase. For example, in the most recent sales numbers available for Japan, the DS Lite sold 128,621 units, versus the PSP selling 16,690 units. So, even a 280% sales boost wouldn't mean much against its rival handheld hardware.

Plus, Sony is notorious for talking "sold" when they actually mean "shipped," so. And when NPD numbers for November comes out, showing hardware sales in the U.S., I'm sure we'll see ALL pieces of video game hardware up by sizable amounts.

PS2 worth every cent (1)

Frostclaw (1006995) | more than 7 years ago | (#17052528)

The PS2 is now very "family priced" with a huge library of games to choose from. Add to that the fact that I think this years new PS2 games are some of the best we've seen in at least a couple years makes for a great deal and a great system.

The PS3 is still a few years out of reach of most people anyway, giving the PS2 a comfortable bit of time before it's "dead".

As for the PSP, I prefer the DS, but the system is finally seeing some titles that make it worth the time, and the prices have dropped from "insane" to "worth consideration".
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