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Red Hat 6.1 Officially Announced

CmdrTaco posted about 15 years ago | from the its-that-time-of-year dept.

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Niklas Paulsson was the first to tell us that Red Hat now has a press release on their website Announcing v6.1 of their distribution. It was on the FTP servers last week, but now its official.

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and again I cry.. SPARC ISO (1)

uncleFester (29998) | about 15 years ago | (#1640675)

Can anyone PLEASE point to ANY sparc iso images for 6.0.. or Redhat, will you please (in time) toss out a 6.1 iso image?

That IPC at home is lonely and wants to join in on the fun.

-fester (if hppa linux takes off, then they ALL can be linux boxen)

Nah, 2.6 (1)

Booker (6173) | about 15 years ago | (#1640676)

Should have waited for 2.6, I hear it'll be even better. :/

This is chock full of updated packages. At some point you just have to ship it. They'll get 2.4 "when it's ready."

Ouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640687)

I was hoping for more polish. GTK/GNOME as it is right now is very ugly and I'm not trying to make this sound like a flame, just an opinion.

Re:Custom kernels work fine (1)

teg (97890) | about 15 years ago | (#1640688)

If you just remove your old modules before you install your new ones, you'll be fine. This hasn't changed and isn't Red Hat specific. You may want to use another subversion instead (like 2.2.12-custom) - just change a line in the Makefile

Re:Pedantic I know... (1)

thopkins (70408) | about 15 years ago | (#1640689)

You use the text installer.

SPARC IPC...are you insane? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640690)

Do you by chance realize just how slow and often unusable mordern distros of linux are on an IPC? It's literally disgusting. I'd suggest if you have the means to find a cheap IPC, then you probably have the means to find a SunOS 4.1.4 disc. Let's be realistic. At least aim for an IPX if nothing better for linux.

Whats on the 2 Application CD's? (1)

ez8 (29763) | about 15 years ago | (#1640691)

Do they list the contents of the two Workstation Application CD's? Does any one know what is on them?

Re:Custom kernels work fine (1)

Chuck Milam (1998) | about 15 years ago | (#1640692)

I think what Michael's trying to say is that you may have forgotten to build some necessary modules during the config (menuconfig, xconfig, etc.) stage. Go back and make sure you haven't forgotten something important like the kernel-level module loader...

It's a real easy thing to do, happens to me all the time.

Re:Ouch (2)

teg (97890) | about 15 years ago | (#1640693)

Actually, it looks a bit better - the new GNOME release has gotten much better icons, and far more gtk-themes are included.

Re:New pricing (1)

alonso (63617) | about 15 years ago | (#1640694)

..but don't have support. Why I have to buy a CD at $29 when the same CD cost me $1.5?

Red Hat could use Debian's "pseudo-image" system. (3)

Paul Crowley (837) | about 15 years ago | (#1640695)

Perhaps Red Hat could take up Debian's "psuedo-CD-image" system, which allows the bulk of the work of providing CD images to be done by servers that have the distribution as a bunch of files, not as a CD image.

This is one of the best ideas I've ever come across. This program [tudelft.nl] fetches all the files that will appear on the CD and simply concatenates them all. It then uses the "rsync" incremental-update protocol with the CD image servers to convert this concatenated file into a CD image: since much of the data that appears in the image is already on the client's machine the load on the CD image server is only 6% of what it was.

With this system in place, we can all start burning official CD images without slashdotting the mirrors too badly. I think it's a piece of bloody genius!
--

Does this also mean new Mandrake ? (1)

loom (35551) | about 15 years ago | (#1640696)


I hope this mean there's a new mandrake to come out soon. I absolutely loved the 6.1 distro, and a 6.2 with all the new RedHat stuff would be very cool.

Anybody in the know around here ?

Nice . . . sort of (3)

slag187 (70401) | about 15 years ago | (#1640699)

This release has lots of nice features:
1) Interactive startup of init scripts
2) Some new and interesting packages (LDAP, lots of new PostgreSQL modules and Apache Modules, kuydzu hardware detection utility)
3) Of course all of the security updates
4) Installation! The new install is NICE.

But, I can't get a custom kernel to boot!? I keep getting all of these unresolved kernel symbol errors. I haven't delved very deeply into the problem yet, but this should be a no brainer in my opinion . . . Any one know what's up with this?

So far that's the only problem I've run into.

damn, always happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640702)

And here I am still waiting for UPS to deliver my RedHat 6.0 CD to me that I ordered last week!

Too bad it was already in transit when RH 6.1 was announced, or I'd have waited..

List of changes? (2)

Bartmoss (16109) | about 15 years ago | (#1640704)

Is there a detailed list of changes anywhere?

And.. "Pentium III optimized" - please nobody start the serial id war again, thanks. ;-)

Another RedHat Distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640706)

Big Whoop! They should have waited until Kernel 2.4 hits the street.

386 compatability? (2)

kip3f (1210) | about 15 years ago | (#1640708)

"Red Hat's new release of the Linux operating system has been optimized for the Pentium III Xeon processor and this combination offers customers the performance that is required in today's Internet economy." Does this mean that it doesn't run on a 386?
--
Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at play.

Re:Nice . . . sort of (1)

nahtanoj (96808) | about 15 years ago | (#1640710)

I can hardly wait to play around with 6.1. I use 6.0 all the time at my work place, and it is sweeet! It is too bad that Linux is slowly being killed off at the univsersity level though. I hate too think what a world with only Windows for an OS would be like.

Read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640712)

It's not that hard to read. If you do it, you find out all sorts of useful information, like that RH likes to release every six months. In fact, you could read that here on /. if you bothered.

Re:386 compatability? (2)

Root Moose (8784) | about 15 years ago | (#1640714)

Don't know.

It doesn't run on a TRS-80 or a Vic 20 either...

Umm, did anybody proofread the 6.1 press release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640715)

Under the section "Additional features of Red Hat Linux 6.1 Include:", the last bulleted item in the list has the text duplicated. Oops...

ATI Rage 128? (1)

smartin (942) | about 15 years ago | (#1640716)

Any one know if they include an ATI Rage 128 server. I'm using the Suse one and it's great. very sharp, no hoizontal lines, ... Nice.

Re:Does this also mean new Mandrake ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640717)

Mandrake 6.1 was released within the past two weeks. I think they decided to to go with the idea that while they were based on Redhat, they can also be their own distribution instead of just an optimized copy. Perhaps they think they've surpassed redhat and can make whatever packages they feel people want rather than waiting for redhat and duplicating them. When I left you I was but the student...

Re:SPARC IPC...are you insane? (2)

Tet (2721) | about 15 years ago | (#1640718)

Is Linux *really* that slow on an IPC? Although I haven't checked recently, Linux used to be marginally faster than SunOS and blew Solaris out of the water on low end hardware. Linux also works great on my HyperSPARC upgraded SS20, but that's another kettle of fish...

Re:Whats on the 2 Application CD's? (2)

Chilli (5230) | about 15 years ago | (#1640719)

There is a page [redhat.com] with the details.

Chilli

Re:Custom kernels work fine (1)

slag187 (70401) | about 15 years ago | (#1640720)

Ok, one more, then I promise to quit.

I got the clean 2.2.12 sources from a kernel.org mirror. I copied the .config file over that I had used to attempt to build from the sources installed by the RH rpm. I used the same proceedure to make and install the kernel and modules. (I tried it 3 times with the kernel sources from 6.1)

It worked flawlesly this time. Problem with the rpm sources? I don't know for sure, but you might want to look into it it (you still there Michael?, let me know and I'll try and give better feedback/ QA).

Upgrade from 6.0 hangs with Python errors (1)

Orp (6583) | about 15 years ago | (#1640721)

I downloaded the ISO and fired 'er up. After choosing upgrade, the installer probes for my hard drives and mount gives an invalid argument error on /dev/hda1 (which is not a mountable partition in the first place) and then hangs after spewing Python errors. I get this in all three modes. I can mount my HD manually, but that doesn't help me.

I hope they put up a patched boot disk soon, GRR.

Re:386 compatability? (2)

mattc (12417) | about 15 years ago | (#1640722)

A lot of people are still using old 386s and 486s for routers, cheap servers, cheap home machines. This is why it is important to preserve backwards compatibility. In fact, I am typing this on a Cyrix 5x86/100 mhz (a 486 clone).

Re:Upgrade from 6.0 hangs with Python errors (1)

teg (97890) | about 15 years ago | (#1640725)

What kind of partition is hda1?

Re:Nice . . . sort of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640726)

Forgive me if this is too basic or obvious, but did you remove the old modules before installing the new. If you don't, you will get unresolved symbols when checking module dependencies during boot up for those modules you did not include in your custom kernel but were included in the original. The fact that you say you can't get a custom kernel to boot indicates to me that it won't boot at all, though, which this would not cause. I just compiled a custom kernel and it booted fine except that the depmod -a did give me unresolved symbols on old modules which is a cosmetic problem only.

Re:Swear Filters (1)

mohaine (62567) | about 15 years ago | (#1640727)

Swear Filters would MAKE Slashdot a playground.

If you are offendend, grow up. People swear. It is a fact of life. Take it for what it is worth and move on.

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640728)

Then please post a screenshot! Why do I feel like I'm going in circles?

Re:New pricing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640729)

It was $39.95 (us) and did not include support. This in cludes two kinds of support and is only $29.95, putting them back into competition with everyone else. I think the support is probably longer running than most other distros, too. -Steve Bergman steve@netplus.net

Re:List of changes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640730)

FYI, latest 2.2 Linux kernels (ie. the kernel RH 6.1 ships) turn the PIII ID off unconditionally.

Redhat Update Utility? (1)

Pengo (28814) | about 15 years ago | (#1640731)


Does anyone know anything about it?

I installed 6.1 with no evidence of a 'Online auto-update system'.. hmm... .. does anyone even know the proper name for this utility? (I can't find a HINT of it on the Redhat website .. less the press release...)

Has anyone used the utilties included with the Linux Mandrake package? How does it compare with the Redhat online management system.. seems like redhat is very slow in official software updates. :)


Re:386 compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640732)

It's fully 386 compatible. The installer is 386-code, it detects the CPU type (386,586,686,SMP, etc.) and installs the best kernel for the CPU.

Re:Upgrade from 6.0 hangs with Python errors (1)

Orp (6583) | about 15 years ago | (#1640733)

it's my windows NT partition. Obviously trying to mount that will give an error. I submitted a report to bugzilla.

Problems with RH 6.x (1)

Captain Comet (87669) | about 15 years ago | (#1640734)

I cant install RH 6.x ive got a 25 gig hd, with 2 10 gig part. for win98 and 5 gig unpart space. Disk druid wont let me make a / or a /boot partition. Says not enough space. This happeend to a friend of mine with his RH 6 cd this is pitiful i REALLY like RH but I cant even use it!!!!! Any ideas? sysop@jcn1.com

E-Commerce (1)

baby fishface (14578) | about 15 years ago | (#1640735)

What ever happened to RedHat E-Commerce Server?

There are still copies of the old press release floating around RedHat's site, but they don't seem to be selling it anymore.

Re:60Hz keeps the magic smoke in the monitor... (1)

jsight (8987) | about 15 years ago | (#1640736)

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why doesn't it use the Monitor's Plug'n'Play capabilities to determine its optimal refresh rate? Most modern monitors support some system of self-identification, right? It always works on my Win98 box, anyway.

Re:Problems with RH 6.x (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640737)

AFAIK your root partition needs to be below the 1024 cylinder.. (or was that sector? -- 1024th something anyway)

Basically it means that you need free space at the BEGINNING of your drive.

It's a BIOS thing, nothing that linux can really work around.

Slick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640738)

After seeing Lizard, you can't really call that slick.

Re:SPARC IPC...are you insane? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640739)

RH6 flies on my IPX with a Sparc power-up chip (~Sparc 10 speed), and even on a base IPX, but the drop down to an IPC is really horrendous. I wouldn't suggest it.

REST !!!! (1)

greenfly (40953) | about 15 years ago | (#1640740)

I just wish I could find _any_ mirror with a restore function, it's a pain to download half of an image and have it disconnect in the middle, and then have to start from scratch

ISO image?!?! (1)

linuxology (54357) | about 15 years ago | (#1640741)

Where is an ISO image besides @ redhat. All the mirrors I have gone to don't seem to have it yet.

Even more reasonable (2)

Booker (6173) | about 15 years ago | (#1640742)

Actually, the cheapest version is $29.99 - I think that's a pretty interesting move.

I imagine that a lot of people who bought 6.0 from cheapbytes for $4 instead of from Red Hat for $80 may actually consider buying 6.1 from Red Hat. $30 is quite reasonable, considering you even get some support.

RH installer: about repartitionning and setting X (1)

Le douanier (24646) | about 15 years ago | (#1640743)


Ok, now that RedHat have a graphical installer and (apparently) is easier to install that windows I want to know:

How do the new installer deal with the partition problem. Have they a Partition Magic version like Caldera? Have they a clone?

Do they autodetect the Graphic card and (more important) the monitor?

I also heard about an easier way to upgrade your RPM's. What are the extr-functionality compared to GnoRPM or things like that?

I had a few more question but I forgot them.

Thanks

Fine! (2)

Booker (6173) | about 15 years ago | (#1640744)

Here you go. [westbo.se]

Pirhana/High Availability (1)

Viv (54519) | about 15 years ago | (#1640745)

Unf. Disregard last post; I figured enter would go to the next box ;)

Like I was going to say... I'm suprised Red Hat hadn't trumpeted this yet, but Pirhana (part of a high availability package) is in this version -- has anyone experimented with it, and can anyone give me information on how well it works, advantages/disadvantages?

Granted, it's still 0.2.1 but... obviously, they think it's usable enough that it's worth shipping...

Re:It's kind of sad.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640746)

That's where 99% of their market is. They will probably come out with Alpha and Sparc versions eventually (maybe 6.2), but given a choice between waiting until they're ready and letting all the other Linux distributions eat their lunch in the meantime, and getting an Intel version out quick, they made the obvious decision.

Heck, does 2.2.12 compile properly on Alpha and Sparc yet?

Re: Unresolved Kernel Symbols (1)

Unknwn (646) | about 15 years ago | (#1640747)

Copy /usr/src/linux/System.map to /boot/ to get rid of this little error. procps 2.0 uses the kernel symbols so that it can get more accurate process information... a good thing :)

--
Jeremy Katz

Re:SPARC IPC...are you insane? (1)

coreybrenner (19101) | about 15 years ago | (#1640748)

If you're interested in an OS that will scream on a SPARC, try OpenBSD [openbsd.org] . A friend of mine installed RH6 on an LX and was amazed at the dog-slowness of the system. We installed OpenBSD, and the system was snappy as hell.

Good stuff.

--Corey

Re:SPARC IPC...are you insane? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640749)

slow and often unusable

Slow? Unusable? I have an IPC running RedHat 4.something with over 400 days of uptime. It's the backup name server for about 2,500 people and a syslog server for about a dozen routers. It has 8 Mbytes of RAM and a 210 Maxtor harddrive. It's anything but unusable. It even runs gated with some scripts to monitor the internal OSPF network and sshd. My only complaint is that I don't have room for both the C compiler and C++ compiler.

IPC's rock. I've got more than a dozen that have been in 24/7 use for over 8 years. From an internal study (done by an accountant, it might not be accurate), the IPC's are almost 25 times more reliable than our expensive Dell servers. The only problem, I've had is hard drives quiting, but that's understandable because the 210 Mbyte Maxtors run a lot from swapping due to the limited (8 Mbyte) RAM. I haven't even had a power supply fan quit.

Re:Congrats RedHat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640750)

Hallelujah ... not let's sing and dance and buy some shares ... we shall overcoooome ...

Re:List of changes? (2)

Unknwn (646) | about 15 years ago | (#1640755)

I can repost the list of stuff I did on Saturday :) Also, a great way to see what's changed is to look through the rpm changelogs... but that's a time consuming process :)

I've been beating pretty hard on the 6.1 beta (lorax) since it's release.

To say that at first there weren't any bugs would be a lie of course, but I've seen _great_ leaps ahead over the course of it. At the beginning,
it took some work to get it to work.

But, through lots of beta testing, and lots of late night hacking by Matt Wilson, it's now to the point that it's the easiest installer I've seen.
Much easier than Caldera's graphical, in large part, because it gives you a lot more freedom in the install. The GUI install works for CDROM
installs, NFS installs, and (untested, but should work I believe) hard drive installs. If the GUI installer doesn't work for you (or you don't want it even), never fear. There's still a text-based installer for low-ram machines, and ftp or http installs.

Other nice neat things in 6.1 (for those wondering)
- kudzu: kudzu does hardware detection and will start the appropriate configuration tool. Very neat
- an interactive startup option (disable-able) ala choose what you want to start during startup for Windows 9x and DOS; so for when you screw up your sendmail config, you can still start without taking ages :)
- up2date: service to give access to a priority server upon registration and then will give you the new rpms in updates and give you the
opportunity to install them, just download them, few other options
- fsck has a progress bar :)
- rp3: an easy-to-use ppp configuration tool. I haven't actually completely tested this one being on ethernet and all, but it appeared to work
- XFree 3.3.5, 2.2.12 (+fixes), GNOME 1.0.40 stuff (newest when it mastered...), KDE 1.1.2, glibc 2.1.2
- One of the boxed versions is the US version, which contains 128bit Netscape, GnuPG, and a few other things that are export controlled.

Think that's most of the good interesting stuff. As I said, it's shaping up to be _really_ solid from what I can tell.

As to the PIII optimizations, I think they're kernel and potentially binutils.

--
Jeremy Katz

Re:Smooth upgrade for me! (1)

DrSpoo (650) | about 15 years ago | (#1640756)

Figures :)

Re:386 compatability? (1)

Unknwn (646) | about 15 years ago | (#1640757)

RedHat hasn't run on a 386 in a while. IIRC, the requirements include a 486 with 16 megs of a ram for previous versions.

--
Jeremy Katz

Re:Nice . . . sort of (1)

Cramer (69040) | about 15 years ago | (#1640758)

That "interactive startup" is just one more of the many annoying things about redhat. Why the **** does Redhat have to make a bunch of shell scripts so bloody complicated -- all they need to do is start and stop programs; the eye candy for the idiots who don't know what's going on anyway is purely useless ("fluff").

And this "kuydzu hardware detection utility"... how often does the hardware configuration of a machine change? What's the point in running this thing everytime the machine boots; don't you know when the hardware has been changed? Would you like it if windows ran a hardware discovery everytime the machine booted up?

"Security updates"... yes, alot of known problems have been fixed or patched. The real question is how many _new_ holes have they provided? In the last available version of Lorax (6.1 beta), "mv" didn't work right. I don't know if that's redhat's mistake or the fileutils people's mistake, but it's things like that that piss me off. (Apply a few seconds thought to things before you ship it.)

BUT, even with the growing spooge that is Redhat (and always has been), the installer is a nice thing.

Rule #1 applies to your kernel problem: Never use the supplied redhat kernel or source tree. Long ago, I stopped trying to figure out what those nuts did to the kernel they ship (why do they have to f*** with the kernel in the first place? If it's a valid, necessary change then send it in.)

Re:60Hz keeps the magic smoke in the monitor... (1)

Cramer (69040) | about 15 years ago | (#1640759)

(I thought of that too...)

Because this requires information from the DDC lines on the VGA connector. There isn't any standard interface for accessing this information as every vendor has a different way of sensing the information (I know how to do it with Matrox cards, but that's worthless for an ATI card.) The installer would have to fire up an X server to detect the video card and monitor assuming the DDC capability were there.

IMO, the installer should ASK the user to choose between an X install and a text install from the get-go. And then ask them the refresh rate for their display if they know what it is. Don't assume all of your users are complete freakin' morons. If you do then they will be the only ones who will use your product.

Problems with XF86_SVGA... (2)

rdm (9618) | about 15 years ago | (#1640760)

I've an HP Kayak with Matrox G200 8MB. After starting the X server the monitor looses signal. This happened the first time in the install process when doing "Test X Configuration". Could not even switch to virtual consoles. Had to reboot and reinstall. During second install avoided to test the X config but I was unfortunate to select as timezone UTC+1:00. Now the postinstall could not find the time zone file for UTC+1:00 and the install hung at this point (python error mentioning that file UTC+1:00 did not exist). Re-installed again (since not sure where in post install the things were stopped), setting timezone to a European city and not testing the X config. After booting I could not access the network. It turned out that /etc/sysconfig/network did not contain the gateway and gateway dev. Also /etc/resolv.conf had not the default search correctly set. This was easy to fix. However, the XF86_SVGA server still doesn't work. Under 6.0 it works fine and I use the same XF86Config. Anybody else seeing the same problems.

Sloppy, very sloppy.....

-- Fons

It's kind of sad.. (1)

Improv (2467) | about 15 years ago | (#1640762)

Intel said they were working with Redhat to make
sure their Linux 'runs best' on Intel architecture.
It's pretty sad that their processors are so bad
that the only way they can make sure distros
run best on IA32 is to (no doubt) delay ports to
other architectures...

Re:Problems with RH 6.x (1)

Cramer (69040) | about 15 years ago | (#1640764)

Not entirely true...

I have an 18G drive with win98 installed well beyond the mythical 1024 mark and it boots perfectly. The true problem is the utter stupidity of LILO (it's always assumed the world is IDE based anyway.)

There's a LILO option to instruct it to use "linear" (-l) address instead of the CHS (3D) address that tops out at 1024. LILO still has trouble with it but it generally works. I cannot get LILO to boot 98 from the "way out" partition, for example.

HOWEVER, getting back to the original thread, there is some major stupidity in the partitioning code in that it will not let you change the types of existing partitions. I'd also like to beat RH over the head for not installing without a swap partition -- I've got 1G of RAM; I'll use a swap FILE just make the kernel happy.

Replaced by Professional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640766)

If I understand things correctly, E-Commerce Server is replaced by Red Hat Linux 6.1 Professional. Of course you should call up Red Hat and ask if you want a more official answer.

Re:Nice . . . sort of (1)

13th seer (33836) | about 15 years ago | (#1640767)

Would you like it if windows ran a hardware discovery everytime the machine booted up?

I believe it does. No, I don't particularly like it.

Screenshots? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640775)

I'd like to see what the new Red Hat/GNOME looks like.

Re:Another RedHat Distro (1)

They_Call_Me_Spanky (83478) | about 15 years ago | (#1640776)

Comments like this make me sick, As far as I'm concerned, I feel I am benefiting from RedHats developments with or without major Kernel and X enhancements. Redhat is right on schedule!

Re:386 compatability? (2)

Hall (962) | about 15 years ago | (#1640777)

It's nothing more than having multiple kernels to select from... At some point during the installation, it checks what processor you're using and installs a kernel optimized for that. I think they had this option with v6.0, so the Pentium III i just the newest cpu option available.

Unlike Mandrake, all the other packages/software is still compiled for a 386 (or 486) for backward-compatibility. Mandrake recompiles *all* of their packages for Pentiums.

Re:Screenshots? (1)

greenfly (40953) | about 15 years ago | (#1640778)

I'm guessing there will be a panel with a foot in the corner on the bottom of the screen. It will look just like any other gnome screenshot you've seen.

New pricing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640779)

Looks like they must have heard the sound of all the money rushing to Cheapbytes when they raised product prices for version 6.0. It seems they have a low-priced offering for this version. Thanks, Red Hat, I'll start buying the "official" releases again with this statement:

Standard, a package including two operating system CDs, one StarOffice 5.1a CD, 90 days of email support and 30 days of priority online access--for $29.95.

Pedantic I know... (2)

anthonyclark (17109) | about 15 years ago | (#1640780)

I'd agree that this is being pedantic but:

The graphical setup runs at 60Hz. This is murder on my eyes. By the time I finished the installation (see below) I had a migraine from the flickering. Yes, I know that VGA@60Hz is the lowest common denominator. Personally I would have preferred the choice of installing using the old setup application.

The graphical setup. I wanted to customise which packages got installed. It took ages, even longer than my other pet hate custom installation, SUSE. I didn't figure out a way to select more than one package or directory for installation at a time, so I had to click through each folder and package manually. I hope next time RHAT add alphabetical listing of packages, proper key navigation and multi select of packages. I'd also like the package installation to show how much space I'm going to use on each drive I have if I've spread my partitions across drives.

Disclaimer I am NOT flaming or trolling here. These are my opinions, not incontrovertible fact.

I suppose I'm p*ssed of that I forgot to select the WindowMaker package :-(

Cheapbytes (1)

Jimhotep (29230) | about 15 years ago | (#1640781)

Cheapbytes is shipping a CD-R version for
$5.99.

Forgive my ignorance, can anybody sell it like
this? Does Cheapbytes pay Red Hat for each
copy they sell?

Could I legally sell it for $4.99?

Thanks

Re:New pricing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640782)

Um, they had a lower-priced version of 6.0 too. In the immortal words of Flavor Flav, "Get your story straight, muthaf*cker" :-)

Re:386 compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640783)

A 386 makes a great:

- IP Masq server (for a modem)
- A low usage router
- A low usage firewall
- Lynx and Pine terminal
- Emacs machine (filled with RAM of course)
- Vi machine
- 10 user mail server
- Other stuff I can't think of right now.

Re:Cheapbytes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640784)

Yes, it is legal. For you it is also legal to sell it for $4.99. That is, at least for most programs.

Re:Problems with RH 6.x (1)

13th seer (33836) | about 15 years ago | (#1640785)

try using fdisk before choosing what to mount / on with disk druid. I had some problems with disk druid on my 20.4 maxtor, but fdisk had no problems. I did have to set up the geometry in my bios manually tho.

new kickstart features? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640786)

from the "New features" section of the install guide: "Kickstart has been rewritten to a new scriptable format. Now, you can pass kickstart a Python object and dynamically configure your kickstart installation." But I can't find any documentation on this... BTW, for me kickstart is the single best feature of RH! Keep up the good work guys!

Re:REST !!!! (2)

13th seer (33836) | about 15 years ago | (#1640787)

try this one [real-time.com] .

what happened to the riva tnt acceleration??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640788)

i upgraded to 6.1 from x.3.3something for the riva tnt card, and now the new x3.3.5 doesn't do the hardware acceleration anymore.

i can tell because of the kde logout screen is slow now.

anybody know how to get this working again??

Re:Nice . . . sort of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640789)

Everyone interested in CS should simply not go to schools that teach using microsoft products. What schools here use UNIX for CS classes? I'll start the list with Georgia Tech.

Re:what happened to the riva tnt acceleration??? (1)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | about 15 years ago | (#1640790)

Use gnome instead of kde ;)

Seriously though, if the x3.3 from 6.0 worked better, then just uninstall the 6.1 version, and reinstall the 6.0 version of X.

You can use older versions of X with the newer version of redhat.. you'll just need to do the install manually

Re:damn, always happens (1)

nevets (39138) | about 15 years ago | (#1640792)


If you ordered from RedHat, see if they will let you upgrade (for free) or maybee, the UPS shipment is late because they are including 6.1 instead.
Steven Rostedt

Re:Problems with RH 6.x (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640794)

Hmmm, I never have these problems, because I have System Commander (a commercial dos/windows boot manager that is unix/linux friendly) installed on the first partition of the first drive, along with MS Windows for the kid's games (people could put a small DR-dos partition there to be MS-free, but you have MS there anyway) see http://www.v-com.com for details (I use the older dos-based version of System Commander, which is just fine, I see they have some fancier version now) This gets read by the bios, and allows you to boot linux off any other partition (you make lilo write its boot record on the partition you are using, and dont mess with the MBR, which has been taken over by System Commander). This allows you to really use those large disks and avoid the BIOS limitation. It also allows you to keep all your operating systems really separate as far as booting is concerned. If I understand it right, this software runs before the operating system boots, so it isnt actually running dos, but you need a dos partition to install it, and the installer needs dos.

Re:What's Wired for Management Baseline 2.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640795)

PXE is a file format used by Intel which allows network booting computers that have Intel EtherExpress 100 cards.

"Wired for Management Baseline 2.0" is also related to the EExpress cards, though I don't know exactly what it does.

Re:Nice . . . sort of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640797)

Pretty hard to do considering that many of the students coming into the schools only know MS stuff. Then there's all of the money and agreements that MS is pouring into the schools. Here at SJSU, almost all of the computers on campus are using NT or winbloze 95/98. There are some Unix labs, but you only use them for the Unix classes. I saw one of the textbooks for the OS class, and this thing stated that NT5.0 was coming out at the end of the year, and that since it was one of the newest OS's around, it was functionally better than Unix. Most of the CS students coming in don't really know anything about Unix. I think that there needs to be more of an effort to promote Unix instead of a hide-your-head in the sand and ignore/avoid MS promoting schools. Just my $0.02

Smooth upgrade for me! (2)

DrSpoo (650) | about 15 years ago | (#1640805)

After the initial /. announcement this weekend I was able to download and upgrade my existing 6.0 install with very little hassle. Very painless upgrade compared to 5.2 -> 6.0, which you might expect.

However I didn't get to use the graphical install tool they mentioned in the press release. I had the plain old text mode that all the previous versions of RedHat used. Not that I needed the GUI installer, but what did I do wrong?

Re:Pedantic I know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640806)

What happens if I want to install it on a computer with:

- A CGA card
- A MDA card
- An EGA card
- An original Hercules Graphics adapter
- Etc...

Re:Cheapbytes (1)

OldManSteptoe (72239) | about 15 years ago | (#1640807)

You can sell it for whatever you like. That how the GPL works.

Redhat make money off a operating system given freely by the community. They therefore support people making money off their efforts.

Ain't open source great.

Mark.

Re:Cheapbytes (1)

hoppy (21392) | about 15 years ago | (#1640808)

As far i know, all software made by RedHat is licensed under the GPL.
So you can sell it for $4.99 or better for $0.02. And if you insist you may even sell it for $10 000 and you'll be rich !!!

i dont get that slick looking installation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640809)

i upgraded to 6.1 yesterday, and the upgrade looked exactly the same as the older installations

60Hz keeps the magic smoke in the monitor... (3)

Michael K. Johnson (2602) | about 15 years ago | (#1640810)

We experimented with higher refresh rates, and thus reduced the number of working monitors in our test lab by one. While 60Hz hurts (no pun intended) your eyes, it should not kill even older fixed-pitch monitors.

Fortunately, you do have the option of text-mode installation. When you boot the install disk, read the text that shows up -- it tells you to type "text" if you want a text-mode install. While graphical mode is naturally the default, text mode is faster for those of us who know the procedure and prefer typing to mousing. Take your pick!


Re:Smooth upgrade for me! (1)

boc (1650) | about 15 years ago | (#1640811)

The gui is for cd or nfs installs.

Congrats RedHat (1)

Frostking (4850) | about 15 years ago | (#1640812)

Great to see another release from the
Linux company that truly works for the community.
While many of the other distributions are starting
to add proprietary "Open Source" additions (like Caldera's Lizard), Redhat fights and upholds the values of the Linux community by relasing all their stuff under the (L)GPL.
I hope the rest of the linux community do like me, and shows their support of this stance by buying this release.

Looking forward to trying out the new GUI installer.

What's Wired for Management Baseline 2.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640813)

There is two points I'm interested, about what they are. First: "Additionally, the PXE 2.0 technology (part of the Wired for Management Baseline 2.0) enables Red Hat Linux 6.1 installations to be done across the network, with no need for local media". And second: "and remote management enhancements through support for the Wired for Management Baseline 2.0". So, what is that Wired .. bletch product? And what kind of "remote management enhancements" are there?

Re:Cheapbytes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1640824)

Yeah it's perfectly legal. One of the neat little things about the GPL. Of course, if you buy a copy this way, don't expect RedHat to support you in the least if/when you try to call them up for support.

I don't know about RedHat specifically since I've not bought an official version, but I don't know if they include commercial packages in their official release or not. You probably won't get any of those if you buy a $5 CD from cheapbytes. (You're also free to download the entire distro from RedHat's FTP, and mirrors -- this is what cheapbytes does, and then puts it on a CD.. handy for us modem users)

Oh, and you're free to sell your own copies for however much you want. Don't expect anyone to buy 'em unless they're pretty cheap though.. :-)

Custom kernels work fine (1)

Michael K. Johnson (2602) | about 15 years ago | (#1640825)

We have not changed the procedure for booting custom kernels. Unresolved kernel symbol errors are typical of forgetting to build/install kernel modules when you build a kernel.

Re:i dont get that slick looking installation (1)

tweek (18111) | about 15 years ago | (#1640826)

It's more than likely that your video card couldn't be recognized. I had that problem with lorax (beta) but not with cartman.

Pricing more reasonable (3)

Shin Dig (27213) | about 15 years ago | (#1640827)

I am happy that they changed the official box pricing to $40 for OS and StarOffice, leaving the $80 version with two more CDs of fun extras. I think that the $80 v6.0 was a little much for a lot of people who did want to help out redhat and buy a "real" version.

I am definitely into buying an official product from RedHat once and a while, as they do pay people to write GPL code.

What RH software is proprietary? (1)

Masker (25119) | about 15 years ago | (#1640828)

What is proprietary? I thought that everything that RedHat created was GPL'd... That doesn't mean that it will work easily with another distribution (for example, try to get linuxconf to work on a non-RH distro... Good luck), but I thought that they didn't have any proprietary stuff.

Please list particulars, please!

Re:Custom kernels work fine (1)

slag187 (70401) | about 15 years ago | (#1640829)

OK, don't mean to be petty, but: That was real helpful (please note sarcasm). . . I was working under the assumption that 'make modules' and 'make modules_install' took care of that (yes I did do make menuconfig, dep, clean and bzImage).

And custom kernels might "work fine" for you, that doesn't mean they "work fine" for me . . . at least not in this release, they have in all the previous ones.

Re:60Hz keeps the magic smoke in the monitor... (1)

anthonyclark (17109) | about 15 years ago | (#1640830)

type "text" if you want a text-mode install

Oops...

(Hangs Head in shame)

Maybe I'll pay more attention in future, although I was eager to try out the new install.

Thanks for the info.

Will it make you feel better if I tell you I'm a loyal use since 4.1?

:-)
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