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Diary of a WoW Noob's Addiction

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i-can-quit-any-time-i-want-to dept.

Role Playing (Games) 139

Noobab writes "There's an absolutely hilarious diary style article in CNET's Crave blog about Nick Hide's first experience playing World of Warcraft. It starts off pretty tame but soon enough the man has turned from unsuspecting casual gamer into a fully fledged 'Warcrack' addict." Your mileage may vary. From the article: "I can't say that I'm experiencing withdrawal symptoms after two weeks of fairly casual World of Warcraft play (a couple of hours a night, tops. Honest, doctor), but 'neglect of other activities' made me rather worried. Last night my girlfriend got hold of an extra ticket to Wicked, the new musical. 'I, er, I'm going out tomorrow night, I'd like to stay in and, er, get an early night,' was my pathetic effort at hiding my spiralling dependency on WoW."

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Could someone please enlighten me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17058216)

as to why a story will go on the front page 5 minutes before the story is ready, and I'm left with a rather annoying "Nothing to see here" message?

Re:Could someone please enlighten me (-1, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058552)

Sure! It's because slashcode is so convoluted that even the authors have no idea WTF it's doing. We've had this problem for what, years now?

That's the truth as I understand it, but I suspect that another big part of it is that as long as the ad revenue keeps rolling in, the powers-that-be can't be arsed to care whether the site is working properly for everyone or not.

Re:Could someone please enlighten me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17058728)

I thought it was part of the subscription feature. If you subscribe you can view it early, otherwise it's a preview of what's hitting the page soon.

Re:Could someone please enlighten me (1)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 7 years ago | (#17062322)

I've heard it's there to give the trolls a harder time - they can no longer reload the front page and just submit "first post!" as soon as something turns up. However, it sounds quite silly, since it'd just create a single extra page to reload...

Is it just me, or are we sounding like the crew on the ship that crashes on earth to create our population in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy?

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058268)

Day 1 - Played WOW
Day 2 - Played WOW
Day 3 - Played WOW
...
Day 69 - Looked in mirror and realized I became "He Who Has No Life". Then bladder burst opened, computer caught on fire and basement burned down.
Day 70 - Mom sent me out to the blue room with the bright light to get a job. Saw an ad to become a game tester.

Addicted to Warcrack? (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058608)

Who the hell checks themselves into a rehab center for World of Warcraft? WoW is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke. You ever suck dick for WoW? NO! I didn't think so.

Re:Addicted to Warcrack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17061828)

cherry coke?!?? me TOO!!!!!!!!!

World of Teletubbies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17063022)

At first I thought all the characters were cute with their colorful clothes and armors and exaggerated features and weapons. Green happy grass everywhere and cute little animals wandering around aimlessly. Even nights were full of colors and so were dead forests here and there. Blue, yellow, green, orange, pink.. happy happy joy!

Before long the horrible downside of Teletubbyville was revealed: we were forced to do everything... "AGAIN!" and be happy about it, too! We were told that there is engaging background story that would take us around the World... of Teletubbies, killing hideous monsters threatening its peace. BUT the story broke when we were required to kill same big boss monsters again and again! It was like neverending story with a new twist: it's all replays and reruns!

Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058288)

I have never heard WOW called Warcrack but when I was in college Evercrack (Everquest) was all the rage. Many a freshman failed out because of it.

Hehe (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058592)

I was one of the ones that was addicted to Evercrack but made it through school... now a successful engineer who still plays (just put my trader up in the bazaar... things never change :)

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (4, Interesting)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058800)

Yeah, I actually preferred EQ, because it was NEW new. Nobody had ever done a 3D MORPG before, and it was just insane. There's nothing quite like 1000 level 1 characters running around with absolutely no clue what they're doing, or what they're supposed to do. (There wasn't the level of hand-holding back then, which was both good and bad). Later games, including the omnipotent WoW, just seem like rehashes of the same thing. Granted, EQ had become a complicated, noob unfriendly monstrosity by the time WoW came out, and many veteran players were tired of EQ, so that probably contributed to WoW's popularity.

I never really got into WoW though, despite my best efforts and friends that play religiously. I think the main reason was grouping. In EQ, grouping was essentially mandatory for efficient leveling. Grouping made gameplay more interesting, rewarding, and entertaining, although very often more frustrating. It also provided a bit of a safety net, since there was usually someone to make travel faster (teleport), ressurect, etc. In WoW, there are largely the same benefits to groups, but the benefits don't outweigh the drawback of waiting to find other players. It's simply faster to go solo for XP in almost every case. As a result, the people most desperately looking for groups are often people who can't survive on their own because they can't play their class effectively, so grouping is frequently disasterous in WoW. Even worse, when grouping IS required, people are so accustomed to soloing that they don't function well as a team. It's like watching the NBA "Dream Team" at the Olympics, where everybody's trying to be the star. I'm sure that probably changes at the higher levels, but I just didn't have the patience to continue the extremely tedious process of grinding through levels on my own.

Additionally, I suppose I had become disillusioned by the fact that any sense of accomplishment was fleeting and incomplete, with another "challenge" (aka time-sink) constantly waiting in the wings. The never-ending process of obtaining new items to enable you to fight new creatures to obtain new items to fight new creatures to obtain new items just gets old after a while. That's probably a good thing though, because for at least 5 years, I was an EQ junkie. I should thank them for making boring content, otherwise I'd probably still be one.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

Boronx (228853) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061336)

Additionally, I suppose I had become disillusioned by the fact that any sense of accomplishment was fleeting and incomplete,

Welcome to the world of video games.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064534)

Life is kind of like that too. It's amazing how quickly years of accomplishment can be negated or pushed aside.

Oddly enough, it's when I feel that way that I start playing video games, because though the accomplishments are fleeting in the real world, they persist within the world of the game. Gaming for that purpose may be like reading fantasy novels for the same purpose: a form of escapism from an overly-stressful world.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (2, Insightful)

Wolfkin (17910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061376)

"Grouping made gameplay more interesting, rewarding, and entertaining, although very often more frustrating."

Mostly the last. WoW is already plenty interesting enough solo, and I *most* *certainly* don't want my game playing to be anything like frustrating. It requires a group? I'll pass, thanks. I'm actually okay with groups where I'm just helping someone, but after about 20 bad experiences, I'm not interested in going into any instance I can't solo, and so when there are places that require a group in order to still be able to get XP, I'm off to do something fun, instead.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061564)

Sounds like me. Have a 51 hunter that I've been leveling off and on for 11 months (don't know how many hours, not going to log in to check), and have only been in three instances -- RFC, WC, and SFK. I skip quests I can't solo, unless I can group with some real-life friends that aren't assholes, don't screw up too often, and will put up with my mistakes without getting bitchy.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

Jorelli (1009279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17065224)

The friends list is for grouping, as are guilds. Grouping IS necessary to get many things accomplished in the game, just not until you get into dungeons. It's easiest to just pair with people until you actually need five people for something, then call out all those on your friends list. A lot of the best items are in dungeons that are impossible to do alone.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (5, Insightful)

talis9 (166451) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058974)

And I failed at Uni three decades ago because I spent all my time in the common room playing cards.

Students failing is nothing new, just the reasons change. It doesn't matter if it is cards, beer, girls or computer games, students will always find something more interesting to do than go to lectures.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059154)

This is true. For instance I found sleep more interesting then going to my Freshmen English class. I got unlucky and had a professor who actually took role and I was dropped from the class. It's kind of embarrassing to have to take English twice.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17063308)

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

iceqieen (1028800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17065172)

*nod nod* so very true.

It's not the activitie's fault people get addicted to it, it's the people themselfs allowing themselfs to skip other things. Yes, wow is addictive but only as addictive as you allow it.. sport's addictive too but people aren't pointing fingers at that when someone spends all his time in the gym.. nooo then it's healthy and good.

all things in moderation is the key.

wow too.

Life's filter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060712)

Just another way to weed out the winners and losers. Winners won't fail out of school because of a computer game. Or drugs. Or because of dating. Or drinking. Or gambling. Or bad grades. Etc etc etc.

Sadly, not everyone has parents willing or able to finance their education. Life is funny that way.

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (1)

ozamosi (615254) | more than 7 years ago | (#17062334)

The student councilor at our college actually has special lectures on how to manage school Even though you play WoW. Apparently, WoW is the number one reason for people to drop out, and is thus the colleges biggest enemy.

It's quite sad, really...

Re:Warcrack the New Evercrack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17064210)

I first heard the term Warcrack, nearly 1.5 years before it was released. Of course by then the domain was already taken.

Cost (3, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058314)

If it where free or cost you per hour in game then there likely less people Addicted to it as if you are paying $15 a month you feel like that need to play all the time to get most out of it.

Re:Cost (3, Insightful)

TinyManCan (580322) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058458)

I pay a hell of a lot more than $15 a month for cable TV. That does not make me want to watch it ALL the time, and I am well aware that I am buying channels that I never, ever watch. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Re:Cost (2, Insightful)

Brown Eggs (650559) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058464)

Wrong - I don't think cost is the key. Look at games like Maplestory or Runescape. Free games (mostly) but almost as addictive. I think it is the leveling, the competition, and all the little RPG elements that keep people coming back for more.

Re:Cost (4, Informative)

Feanturi (99866) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058574)

I played MUDs back in the day. They were free and had no pretty graphics at all. They were every bit as addictive as the ones we have now. Rife with students flunking out, or people jeopardizing their jobs to play. So no, I don't buy the idea that the cost makes you want to get your money's worth.

Re:Cost (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059270)

I've found that without paying for a personal trainer, I never would go to the gym.
Shame is the single most effective means of persuasion known to man (second is particular violence).
At $60 a session, I sure as fuck make my appointments and work my ass off.

YMMV

Re:Cost (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060016)

I was one of those people. I didn't flunk out, thankfully, but it sure had a grip on me for a while. I still worry today as someone who plays console games here and there and works in software that I spend too much time with the whole risk/reward system of gaming or programming and not enough time in the real world. I feel I do, but it's always lurking back there...

Re:Cost (1)

gatzke (2977) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064706)


Back in the mid 90s I saw MUDs take the life of a few at Georgia Tech. Decent GPA to 2.0 easy, loss of co-op position, etc.

I have periodically gotten hooked on nethack, which is just as lame as MUDs.

Hell, when I was a kid, I would play that terrible Atari 2600 PacMan for hour and hours and hours and days and days. Why?

With all the shiny graphics, this stuff is like super crack...

Re:Cost (1)

Faylone (880739) | more than 7 years ago | (#17065266)

I can attest first-hand that MUD still cause students to flunk. I think just this semester I've spread the flunking to a new victim...

Re:Cost (1)

kendoka (473386) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058808)

I would disagree given that 15 bucks a month is cheap compared to even a split cable or cell-phone bill. Even if you play WoW for just four hours a week (which is pretty easy to do =)) you're spending 15 bucks a month for 20 hours of 'entertainment'. (All jokes aside as to whether one should be entertained spending most of their time walking from place to place and repeating the same moves on the same monsters endlessly.) That price makes WoW cheaper than just about anything short of kicking a soccer ball around, including watching tv, and renting movies. The only thing I could think of that'd be cheaper is renting a good game for 4 bucks and marathon playing it for 20-100 hours (which is often done)..

In my particular case, I also had a subscription to DDO and RFO for about 3-4 months and I almost never played them. (Literally, I paid and didn't play for so long I forgot I was still paying for it, as well as my password.) Instead I played Guild Wars (which is free) all the time; it was simply a better game (IMHO).

treatment (4, Interesting)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058366)

Serious question now- does anyone personally know of someone who sought treatment for WoW addiction? I don't mean you read about it in the news, I mean personally. People seek treatment when they realize they have other sorts of non-chemical addictions but even among the most obsessed WoWers I know, none of them seem to see it as a problem that requires intervention to solve.

Re:treatment (2, Interesting)

TheWaz (1034038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058698)

I haven't read or know anyone needing actual medical assistance when quitting WOW. I played the game for a while and got my character to 60, and also became an officer in my guild. After a while I wasn't too thrilled with the game and went cold turkey. I think the most intervention that is needed is for mommy to come over and tell the addict that it's bedtime.

Re:treatment (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059392)

Well for me - I really like to play it. I think about it at work etc - and if I have time I'll play it for 4 hours most nights - its fun what can I say?

I don't know of a single time though where I've refused to go somewhere to play wow instead. If its a nice day outside I'll be on the motorcycle tooling around town.

Re:treatment (1)

ectal (949842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059820)

Generally, I do think people exaggerate the seriousness of "Warcraft addictions". But I have seen some people who definitely border on addictive behavior. Ignoring most of their friends for weeks at a time, skipping sleep, not working, not eating regularly, etc.

I mean, to turn your question around, have you ever heard of someone with a serious gambling problem or heavy drinking problem who was positive they didn't need any help, someone who needed help but didn't look for it?

He needs to shoot little pengiuns down a hill! (3, Funny)

gunny01 (1022579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058382)

He needs to ease himself back to some sort of less addcitive gaming, like Line Rider.

Re:He needs to shoot little pengiuns down a hill! (1)

Vidiot3k (612026) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060316)

I agreed with your comment until I realized you weren't talking about cocaine.

geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (3, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058428)

That's not WoW addiction. That's stupid addiction.

-stormin

it's also par for the course (1, Informative)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058680)

you know you're addicted to something hard when the potential for sex becomes less attractive to you

and it happens all the time with warcrack

Re:it's also par for the course (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059162)

Or that the sex isn't as fun as the game. How one discerns which is actually the case, I leave to the reader as a thought experiment.

Re:it's also par for the course (1)

mjhacker (922395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061690)

When you're married and have sex all the time anyway, MMOs seem a bit more exciting. Not that sex isn't good, but when it becomes a function as commonplace as eating, it loses its novelty.

Re:it's also par for the course (1)

Suzumushi (907838) | more than 7 years ago | (#17065252)

When you're married and have sex all the time anyway I'm guessing you're not married...

But yes, when you start to choose spending time with WoW over spending time with your family, you've crossed a line that you shouldn't have.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (3, Interesting)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058726)

I've found myself doing that once or twice long ago. I pretty much ignored my girlfriend for a few weeks back in the spring of 2005 when WoW was really starting to take off. But all it took was one go whap upside from said girlfriend to help me re-prioritize things. Now she comes before WoW, always. But even the best of people can make a stupid mistake and recover from it.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059174)

Now she comes before WoW, always.

So, WoW is like a post-coital cigarette?

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Atheose (932144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064144)

I remember a few weeks ago my girlfriend came over on a Thursday and wanted me to go to a party with her. Thursdays were my guild's Ahn Quiraj raid nights, so at first I was pretty bummed and was trying to think of an excuse to tell my girlfriend. Then I realized what I was doing, gave myself a mental bitch-slap, and put my WoW account on hold the next day. I haven't looked back, though I'm thinkin about starting it back up for the expansion.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (3, Interesting)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058762)

That's what makes this an addiction: rejecting the natural rewards (food, sex, sleep) in favor of a virtual reward of some sort.

If you need help getting rid of your game addiction, try imbibing some emetic shortly after you start playing (check with your doctor). Or try taking strong laxatives each time you go on a gaming spree.

Or even simpler, buy two galons+ of whole milk, then each time you score a "kill" or whatever it is you score in those games, reward yourself by drinking a whole glass.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058882)

Sounds like good old-fashioned aversion therapy. And I've got to say that it doesn't sound a whole lot healthier than the behavior it seeks to rectify. On the other hand, I guess when "take a walk" doesn't work and you have to fall back on "overdose on laxatives" you really know you have a problem.

Then again, the mischievious part of me wonders if we should just let this gentle version of natural selection run its course.

-stormin

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059190)

Then again, the mischievious part of me wonders if we should just let this gentle version of natural selection run its course.

No we should not:
1) It would not be natural. It is man-made!
2) It is precisely the smarter, more intelligent people who have a propensity to become virtuality addicts.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (5, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059554)

Then again, the mischievious part of me wonders if we should just let this gentle version of natural selection run its course.

No we should not:
1) It would not be natural. It is man-made!
2) It is precisely the smarter, more intelligent people who have a propensity to become virtuality addicts.
1. Yes, it is natural. Humans are natural. Unless you are supposing some fundamentalist version of creationism or other ex-nhilo origin for our species, we're basically just smart monkeys. And our use of computers is no less natural than a monkey's use of a stick or a crow's use of a rock. There's no rational basis for calling the actions or creations of human beings un-natural without recourse to superstition.

2. What does intelligence have to do with anything? Evolution has no values. It's purely about survival, adaptation, and successful procreation. The notion that we can define intelligence is barely more coherent than the idea that people or their creations are non-natural. The idea that evolution cares about intelligence is, if anything, less coherent. If intelligence helps you make tools, then great. It's a positive adaptation. If intelligence ensnares you in addiction to those tools (an addiction that clearly hampers procreation to some degree) than guess what - intelligence ceases to be an advantageous trait. Now personally I don't think it makes sense to equate intelligence with a propensity to become virtual addicts. I'd say that shows a blatant lack of intelligence in a very basic sense: the ability to make rational decisions against our own urges. But even if there is such a correlation, evolution doesn't care.

-stormin

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (2, Insightful)

Shaper_pmp (825142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17063586)

"1. Yes, it is natural. Humans are natural. Unless you are supposing some fundamentalist version of creationism or other ex-nhilo origin for our species, we're basically just smart monkeys. And our use of computers is no less natural than a monkey's use of a stick or a crow's use of a rock. There's no rational basis for calling the actions or creations of human beings un-natural without recourse to superstition."

Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's a pet hate when people indulge in pseudo-drippy-new-age "everything should be natural man... and not, like, all the artificial, y'know... stuff that harshes up our natural buzz..." bullshit.

Unless you can draw a line around "natural" and "unnatural" and sharply distinguish the difference, shut the fuck up with your romantic, luddite, wanna-live-two-hundred-years-ago-and-most-probably -die-of-tuberculosis crap.

I had a taxi driver once who found out I worked in computing, and spent an entire 30-minute ride bending my ear about how he hated "artificial stuff" and "that technology" and "liked things to be natural". He shut up fast at the end of the journey when when I enquired if he still ate his meat raw and lived in a tree.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17063674)

Oh, look at Mr. Smarty Pants! Well then, answer me this brainiac... One train leaves from Nashville at 7:00am for Detroit going 200 miles an hour. Another train leaves from Philidelphia for Chicago at 4:00am traveling at 300 miles an hour. At what point and what time will the trains intersect? :P

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Zixia (534893) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064174)

There's no rational basis for calling the actions or creations of human beings un-natural without recourse to superstition.

He didn't say it was 'un-natural', but 'not natural'.

It can be useful to have a distinction between 'natural' and 'man-made', as long as you realise that people use the word 'natural' as an antonym to 'man-made'. I would think it absurd to consider nuclear power stations as 'natural' just because humans built them and humans are a part of nature as a whole. In the same way, I wouldn't consider a bird's nest to be naturally-occurring either; I wouldn't see one in a tree and think that the twigs came to be in that formation 'naturally'.

I would say you are being unnecessarily strict about the use of the word 'natural', in a way that is not informative nor useful in the real world. If everything is natural, what use is the word?

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064426)

I would say you are being unnecessarily strict about the use of the word 'natural', in a way that is not informative nor useful in the real world. If everything is natural, what use is the word?

That's kind of the point. It's a useless distinction. I find that most of the time when people use the word "natural" they are refering to something man-made, but they are ALSO assuming some non-existent distinction between something made by people and that natural state of things. Trouble is, people (and their activities and creations) are part of the natural state of things.

In this frequently-used context it is useless. That's why I wish people would stop using it.

-stomrin

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Atheose (932144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064272)

What does intelligence have to do with anything? Evolution has no values. It's purely about survival, adaptation, and successful procreation

Intelligence has nothing to do with adaptation? One would think creating tools and developing agriculture would be classified as both intelligent AND adaptation, both of which were crucial to Man's rise to the top of the food chain.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064452)

The point I'm making is simple. There are no values to evolution other than survival. The "worth" of intelligence, from the standpoint of adaptability, is entirely contingent. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. When it helps, great. When it doesn't, too bad. It's the same as, say, coloration. Sometimes green is better (say for hiding in leaves) sometimes brown is better (say for hiding in the dirt). Intelligent isn't inherently any better than stupid than brown is better than green.

Of course, intelligence has had a lot of use for us in the past in building tools, etc. But that's because, analagously, we've been living in a desert. The second it stops being conducive to survival, it stops being advantageous.

-stormin

Semantic argument (1)

FallLine (12211) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064988)

There's no rational basis for calling the actions or creations of human beings un-natural without recourse to superstition.
Cool!! So you mean I can safely smoke all the crack I want because it is natural?

In all seriousness, I think what the previous poster that you attacked meant is that it is very much artificial. Highly artificial things, especially that which we have only been exposed to over a decade or two at most (never mind thousands and millions of years), is perhaps best approached with some degree of wariness.

If you wish to look at these sorts of games from an evolutionary point of view, then you might consider that humans do not have any adaptations to deal with it appropriately since we have not been exposed to it for generation after generation. We might enjoy sex to the exclusion of all else, say, but our organs simply won't allow us to go at it for very long. We might enjoy sports, but our bodies are apt to give out on us first (and send you warning signs well before you collapse). We possess no such mechanisms to inhibit abusive behavior such as this (especially in the modern world where enough food and shelter can be had by many if not most Americans with none to relatively little effort)

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Boronx (228853) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061384)

It's also smart, responsible, ambitious people that use birth control most effectively.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

cafard (666342) | more than 7 years ago | (#17062846)

2) It is precisely the smarter, more intelligent people who have a propensity to become virtuality addicts.

If by smarter, more intelligent people, you mean the ones able to express themselves in advanced ways like "OMFG!!! we been raiding firemaw & we got PURE PWND!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG LOL LOL ROFLZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", then i'm glad to be a dork.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Dhrakar (32366) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059178)

Or even simpler: Don't pay the WoW bill. If you can't log in, you can't play :-) Oops! Scholo run ... bye!

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059204)

Or try taking strong laxatives each time you go on a gaming spree.

I don't think having fecal matter all over my chair is going to help. Could be quite unhealthy from a disease perspective.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (3, Insightful)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060468)

Exactly. And I post this everytime a story about MMORPG addiction is posted but for those wondering how it could possibly addict someone that badly, I STRONGLY urge you to read this excellent essay [nickyee.com] on how EQ (and games similar to it) are essentially giant virtual Skinner Boxes. Psychological addiction can be just as bad, if not worse than chemical addiction. At least with chemical addiction once its out of your system you stop craving it for the most part.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

TempeTerra (83076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060944)

Call me stupid, but what's the milk meant to achieve? Back when I was played WoW, I'd consider 2 litres (half a gallon or so) of flavoured milk an excellent accompaniment to an afternoon of warcraft. I never noticed any ill effects.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061370)

try making a whole gallon an addition to a single hour of anything

don't be too close to your computer when you do this

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061788)

Priests reject sex (jokes aside). Are they God addicts? Something about this definition smells fishy.

Re:geek rejects girlfriend for Wow? (1)

Ziwcam (766621) | more than 7 years ago | (#17062788)

Priests reject sex (jokes aside). Are they God addicts? Something about this definition smells fishy.

IMO, its a possibility. I think *some* people (not all!) use religion as a crutch, when they fail to develop, or don't trust in, their own moral compass.
Those whose moral compass fails, and turn to God as a replacement for their addiction, become addicted to God, and would relapse if they abandoned Him.
The table could just as easily be turned. Someone who believed in God could turn to drugs to escape their belief, if they deemed it desirable to stop said belief.

an ez solution (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058556)

Why don't they come out with a version of it for Wii using the motion sensing abilities so gamers can call it excercise and all the critics can get on with their lives? Soon gamers would be known as physically fit, skinny people with large upper bodies (and legs if they play DDR too!) If we had that going for us, we could dismiss any other complaints about playing to much by saying it's no different than going to the gym and talking with your friends (however, not throwing the weights at people that look like orcs) and tada, "gamer" is a good name again :)

Make Love, Not Warcraft (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058696)

South Park [wikipedia.org] , anyone ?

I don't even play the game, but that was a god damn great episode. The referenced Wikipedia page claims Blizzard helped with the machinima ( and apparently, the delay ) in the episode.

but seriously, the point where you know you have a problem is the point at which you're picking your hobby/addiction/whatever over your S.O... time to kick either the hobby, or if they're really that unsatisfying, the S.O...

Re:Make Love, Not Warcraft (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060374)

> I don't even play the game, but that was a god damn great episode.

Two favorite lines:

"This could be the end of the world... of Warcraft."

And:

"How can you kill that which has no life?"

It's not the game, it's the person. (5, Insightful)

friendofish (520548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058742)

You always hear of people losing their wives "Because of WoW" or forgetting their family "Because of Everquest". No, they lost their self control, they lost their loved ones because of themselves. They are the only ones to blame.

Re:It's not the game, it's the person. (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060084)

Of course the game is never to blame. But you could say the same thing about workaholics, gambling addicts, etc. The bottom line is that for people succeptible to addiction, certain things are more addictive than others. Would make sense that certain games are more addictive than others. Either way, when it's all said and done, it does come down to people and their psychological issues that need to be addressed seriously.

Re:It's not the game, it's the person. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060748)

There's also the common misconception that "I lost X because of Y" implies that the person is trying to abdicate responsibility. Rather, such is usually the sign of a person is either going through the bargaining stage of grief ("I won't do Y again if X will just come back!") or has moved on to acceptance and is in fact blaming himself/herself while providing an *explanation* rather than an excuse ("I'm such an idiot. I chose Y over X. I won't make that mistake again.").

Addicting? (2, Funny)

theCurse (1019716) | more than 7 years ago | (#17058820)

I don't get it. I can't even get addicted to an MMO. I've played WoW, CoH, GW, and various others, and I just don't get the allure. I admit while I played them, I played them all day, ignoring sleep, food, etc., but I eventually became bored and moved on. Now you'd be hard-pressed to find me on Guild Wars, and I don't even have to pay for that.

Shouldn't there be at least 5 parts before (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059124)

submitting it to slashdot? I'm not trying to troll, I guess two parts isn't enough when it comes to something like explaining a gaming addiction...

staged addictions != news (5, Insightful)

graycode10 (1034124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059216)

thanks zonk, it was fun to watch this man's epic journey from installing the game all the way to... his second post a few weeks later. why are we listening to a person with a character in its mid-teens and two weeks' experience? i'm willing to agree that the game can cause problems, but i'd rather hear a testimony from a person with 200 days /played, not someone who still has the crinkled cellophane on his desk and *gasp* skipped a night with his girl so that he could find his class trainer... i also like how the articles feature a night elf with a big lit doobie in his mouth. um... a real addiction is something that catches you by surprise. a staged addiction for publicity is one that you go into expecting to be addicted, complete with funny clip art and a spot on a major web page. and i'm sorry to be so bitchy, but i'm tire of people using the term 'warcrack' like they are the first person to ever do so. yes, we get it. please stop wasting our time with things like this, slapping "WoW" onto the title to get us to click on it and start our daily south park reference banter. (yes, it was a great episode) but i think i am more upset with cnet for printing this crap than i am at slashdot for linking it.

Re:staged addictions != news (2, Funny)

14CharUsername (972311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064400)

Yeah, if my girlfriend had tickets to a musical, I'd make an excuse not to go. I guess I'm a WoW addict too, though I thought you actually had to play the game to be considered an addict.

Solution - Get a life. (2, Funny)

pla (258480) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059334)

No. Seriously - I mean this as neither a troll nor flamebait - If you have started sacrificing real life experiences for virtual ones that actually cost you money...

LEAVE THE FUCKING BASEMENT!


If you have nothing better to do, great, waste a few hours playing WoW. I'll admit, I accidentally saw more than a few dawns like that in college, mudding away the night. Amusing way to pass time. But when real entertainment comes along - DO IT! You don't even need to think about which you prefer - reality wins, every time. Even something like going bowling with your Aunt Sally and ther annoying hellbrood should beat wasting your life in an online game.

Problem - Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060764)

A musical isn't a real life experience, it's a piece of prepared audiovisual entertainment. It doesn't matter whether the performers are live or recorded, they're mechanically playing their assigned roles.

At least in WoW you're interacting with other people who you aren't paying for the favor.

Most people don't have much of a life anymore. They find an employer who assigns them work, which they do without really understanding why and without really seeing the results. Most nights they consume prepared entertainment, which either panders to their base desires or tries to manipulate them according to the political views of the entertainer, neither of which have anything to do with real-world experience. If they're unmarried they go out to nightclubs, where they get too drunk to think straight and listen to music playing loud enough to limit personal interaction to an animal level, in hopes of dulling their perception of each other enough to overcome their unrealistic expectations and hook up. If they're married they run their children around from regimented and bizarre pseudoeducational facilities to prepared regimented recreational activities, so they can also grow up without organic human interaction.

People live in a fantasy world already. That's why it's so easy to slip into another, and the sense of shame over not facing life is only faintly stronger when they abandon the live show for the electronic one.

Re:No original games? as if (1)

Kabal` (111455) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061118)

Who says 'reality' (whatever that is?) is better. How is going bowling with Aunt Sally and her annoying hellbrood better than Warcraft? You're still playing a game (bowling vs wow) only in that situation you're with people you don't really like. I fail to see how that is any better.

Too much of ANYTHING is bad but World of Warcraft is surely 'better' than a lot of real life activities (for them), otherwise people wouldn't enjoy playing

Re:No original games? as if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17061324)

The only way it's definitively worse is the lack of physical exercise. Physical exercise is very important.

However, if you hit the weights and your cardio apparatus of choice every night, then spend the rest of your evening playing WoW, then it's a wash.

You still don't have a traditional social life, but I don't personally believe that everybody needs one. If you're happy without one, you shouldn't let judgemental bastards force you into doing things you don't enjoy.

Re:Solution - Get a life. (2, Informative)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061192)

"LEAVE THE FUCKING BASEMENT!"

I know this was meant to be funny, but to be serious for a moment. Those who still live in the basement have more serious issues beyond WoW my friend, clinical depression and possible abuse being one of them.

The psychological rewards caused by natural selection can be ruined if a minimum of some of maslow's hierarchy of needs cannot be maintained. Because some serious exterinal or biological factors interfere with social and occupational functioning, causing unnatural stress and agitation on a persons nerves to the degree the wish to cease to exist to escape the cage constant stress and agitation they find themselves in. "Depression" does not in any way capture what a clinically depressed person physically feels. Anyone interested in understanding some of the evolutionary aspects of depression better can go here - http://biology.unm.edu/Biology/pwatson/public_html /dp1.htm [unm.edu]

I've experienced clinical depression all my life, I shit you not, it's not a fun thing to know that for your entire life you do not experience life like everyone else, you do not enjoy things other people enjoy, and even the things you should enjoy... eating, sex, social life, company, take a back seat when you are clinically depressed.

The below is taken from Altruists.org [altruists.org] :

Is Depression (i.e. and its consequences like addiction, etc) a Healthy reaction to a Sick Society?

"To demand that our children feel well in the world which we leave them is an insult to their dignity." Ivan Illich

The World Health Organisation defines depression as a 'disorder that presents with depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure, feelings of guilt or low self-worth, disturbed sleep or appetite, low energy, and poor concentration'. It declares that it is the leading cause of disability, worldwide, and by 2020 it will be the second most important disease worldwide.

WHO goes on to say that in most cases, drugs are an effective treatment. This reflects a materialistic worldview that focusses on symptoms, not root causes. A multinational drug company has claimed that "depression is caused by an imbalance of brain chemicals", but this fails to explain why it is more widespread than ever before, (9.5% of US adults suffer from a depressive disorder in any one year) and why it is still spreading. Depression is not just another disease. If it is not caused by pathogens, how can it spread?

Maslow's hierarchy of needs predicts that if securely fed and housed, people's well-being depends less on material goods, more on factors such as good relationships with and love of others. However, most people are in the thrall of an economic system that ignores this fact, punishes generosity but rewards unnatural selfishness. This results in cognitive dissonance, because people feel forced to do things of which they disapprove, leaving them feeling guilty, disempowered and depressed. This would seem to explain why depression is booming even amidst materially prospering populations. Although a human tragedy, this epidemic of depression is a boon for the economy, since consumer culture feeds off people's low self-esteem by encouraging self-indulgence and escapism, resulting in a vicious circle of increasing consumption and decreasing well-being.

We believe many depressive symptoms are a natural response of the mind to an unhealthy, unsustainable, diseased and generally distressed society. Many of those who dismiss it as being an 'illness' of the brain, are sadly mistaken, others cynically exploiting it for their own benefit. Among the chief causes are the priority given to the competitive money system which discourages healthy human relationships to the point where, starved of friendship, some people even question the validity of loving others. Altruism is a side-effect free, natural way to cope with depressive symptoms and to live a longer, healthier and happier life.

Re:Solution - Get a life. (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17064492)

Even something like going bowling with your Aunt Sally and ther annoying hellbrood should beat wasting your life in an online game.
That's what Wii bowling is for silly!

What an Idiot (2, Informative)

matt74441 (1000572) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059526)

He really should have gone to the stupid musical. Everyone knows that girls will "reward" their boyfriends later for being a good sport and going, at least thats how it happened with me.

Re:What an Idiot (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059948)

Once you start seeing sex as a reward for doing what she wants she has you by the balls.

Re:What an Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17061600)

So sex isn't a reward? Is it that you dislike sex?

Re:What an Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17062986)

No, he should have gone to the musical, because it is supposed to be an awesome musical, and is based on a critically acclaimed book.

Not like Andrew Lloyd Webber crap at all - it's apparently something watchable and clever. (And I say this as someone who hates musicals. I still want to see this one... and the Monty Python one, but that goes without saying ;)

Played for two weeks (2, Insightful)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059874)

.... and yes, battlegrounds are crackity crack crack! But still.. my interest is waining quickly. I've gone from 4 hours a day to only two hours this week. AND we had an ice storm today. that had everyone at home, but I still only logged three capture the flag matches before I got back to something else. I played Everquest for about 6 years and after that, you just don't want to log those sort of hours in a game anymore. Believe me. Once it's worn off it's worn off for good. It doesn't matter what the next game is going to be. Unless you happen to just LOVE mmorpg's your addiction will eventually burn out over time.

Who needs WoW to be addicted to the Internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17062514)

I've sat here online for the past nine hours, doing nothing but checking up on my various interests! How CAN'T you? THERE'S SO MUCH TO ABSORB! Gaming addiction is only a splinter of the real problem: the Internet's too damned fascinating.
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