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Vista Hackers Get Busy

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the fresh-meat-for-the-wolves dept.

Security 215

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft's long-awaited Windows Vista release Thursday for business customers will get more than just the passing attention of network administrators. That's because hackers will be eagerly waiting to do what hackers do best: start some mischief." Some folks on the Black Hat set got a sneak peek at Vista earlier this year, so they've had time to prepare.

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The most retarded story ever? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059328)

Because crackers were obviously waiting until Vista was available in stores.

Mod parent up! (0, Redundant)

Ubitsa_teh_1337 (1006277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059348)

This story is rediculous... Vista has been available to crackers for a very long time.

The hack I'm waiting to see (3, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060674)

I'm waiting to see a worm that exploits a vulnerability to execute code and does the following:
  • Searches the windows registry to identify your network card and downloads the proper network driver and a basic kernel.

  • Overwrites the MBR so that the next time you restart your PC a bootloader loads the kernel and a network driver, begins an unattended install of Linux, and sets the bootloader to boot into Linux by default.

  • Does NOT overwrite or reformat the Windows partition, but instead mounts it so you can get access to all the files in your Windows partition from Linux.

  • Runs a little "You now have Linux. Let us show you why you should keep it" demo at startup.

Then the interesting thing would be to see how many people actually just keep Linux. :-)

- Greg

Re:The hack I'm waiting to see (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17061140)

You linux freak are just moronic, really. Just join a church and be done with it.

Re:The hack I'm waiting to see (1)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061224)

It would be interesting to see how many first time vista users realized they were using linux right away.. despite the obvious message you mentioned.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Poodle (15365) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059404)

Yeah, hacking a beta would lose you style points . . . . .

Re:The most retarded story ever? (2, Informative)

Ubitsa_teh_1337 (1006277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059448)

Actually, the final version of Vista has been available for ~3 weeks online, so it's not just the beta that people have been hacking away at.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059602)

What? Where? Has anyone figured out how to sircumvent WGA?

Re:The most retarded story ever? (5, Funny)

Asztal_ (914605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059736)

I'm sure someone has managed not only to circumvent WGA, but r00t Microsoft's WGA servers and set the Administrator account's screensaver to a marquee: "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all."

Re:The most retarded story ever? (5, Informative)

MioTheGreat (926975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060288)

By replacing two files in Vista with their RC2 counterparts, you were able to trick Vista into thinking it was RC2 for key and activation purposes.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (-1, Redundant)

lumber_13 (937323) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061100)

Isn't this article redundant? OK OK, Now mod me redundant. :)

Re:The most retarded story ever? (-1, Troll)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061218)

Which Microsoft is not only aware of, but they have a special surprise in store for the people who did so...

Re:The most retarded story ever? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059450)

Well, yes. I'm sure all the crackers have gotten their grubby little mitts on the thing already, but the general populate hasn't. What good is being able to break into Vista already, when no one is using it yet. Once the use of the OS starts to grow after it is released, there will be an abundance of targets. Not so, right now.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (2, Insightful)

Monchanger (637670) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060248)

You can't get a Slashdot story written about you (albeit anonymously) by being the second confirmed crack.

That, and the adoption is still low due to there not being an available cracked version...

Re:The most retarded story ever? (4, Insightful)

Jahz (831343) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060780)

Well, yes. I'm sure all the crackers have gotten their grubby little mitts on the thing already, but the general populate hasn't. What good is being able to break into Vista already, when no one is using it yet. Once the use of the OS starts to grow after it is released, there will be an abundance of targets. Not so, right now.

Targets? Are you under the impression that the only reason to exploit a machine is to form a bot net? Additionally, have you considered that an exploit written/discovered during beta can, in most cases, be SAVED until release? It's not like the evil hackers are reporting their hacks to Microsoft for QA purposes.

*sigh*

Re:The most retarded story ever? (0, Offtopic)

Gno (970625) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061242)

pssh, I've been starting mischeif and messing with vista until it screamed for a little while now...

Re:The most retarded story ever? (3, Funny)

quakeroatz (242632) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059536)

That right! First we'll all drop $300 on Vista, crack it, that will show them!!

Wait....

Re:The most retarded story ever? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059610)

no the vista final rom and crack set and the WAIK are all floating about online

Re:The most retarded story ever? (1)

darkonc (47285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059864)

You seem to forget that most exploits are profit-oriented these days.

Besides: The VISTA betas have been available for free, so you don't need to shell out $money to get a copy to test your cracking skills on.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (5, Insightful)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059572)

No, they were waiting for legitimate customers to install it so they could try out their hacks in the real world. See sig.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060692)

No, they were waiting for legitimate customers to install it so they could try out their hacks in the real world. See sig.

Rrrright. Because no legitimate customers have been running vista for months [microsoft.com] already.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (-1, Flamebait)

itzfritz (822208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060022)

racist.

Re:The most retarded story ever? (4, Funny)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061046)

They should have released Vista during NASCAR season, then the crackers would've been too distracted to mess with it.

Red Says (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059364)

Get busy livin' or get busy dying...

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059374)

first

Hack WGA First (5, Insightful)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059378)

Make it better. The less piracy of windows there is in the world, the more people will get into free alternatives

Re:Hack WGA First (4, Interesting)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059616)

Make it better. The less piracy of windows there is in the world, the more people will get into free alternatives.

Hell, make it deny everyone. The less legitimate use of windows there is in the world, the more people will get into free alternatives.

Re:Hack WGA First (5, Funny)

pallmall1 (882819) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059812)

Hell, make it deny everyone.
What are you trying to do, kill the spam industry?

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

Five Bucks! (769277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059636)

Not unless I can play games with ease...

I'm only speaking from my perspective, but I'm sure others share my sentiment. I've installed Linux five times now and have gotten bored to tears trying to figure out something fun to do with it.

Re:Hack WGA First (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059702)

have gotten bored to tears trying to figure out something fun to do with it.

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null

Re:Hack WGA First (1, Funny)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059738)

Is this the game where you have to count how many seconds it takes for /dev/null to fill up? Im up to 6 already!!! :)

Re:Hack WGA First (4, Funny)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060006)

My backup archive server NEVER runs out of space. I've been archiving old backups to /dev/null weekly for four years now. It is amazingly efficient.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

Fearless Freep (94727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060976)

Have you tried a restore yet?

Re:Hack WGA First (0, Offtopic)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060162)

Thats an AWESOME game!

Boy, you sure showed him, he must feel REALLY stupid now!

-Red

Re:Hack WGA First (5, Insightful)

WoLpH (699064) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059740)

It all depends on your definition of "fun". You can play a lot of games with ease, kde alone features games like Fleur II, Bricks, Raeumen, Neuner, Spooky Shooter, Sheep, Megami and a lot more. Those games are considered "fun" so what is your point really?
Exactly, Linux isn't bad, it's just not what _you_ want.

For me it's the exact opposite, every time I work on a Windows machine I just feel restricted, I can't move around as fast, everything takes more time to do... So is Linux now better then Windows? No it isn't, it's different, it is superior at some points, it's inferior at some other points. Neither is perfect, just keep in mind that the world doesn't revolve around you, your opinion is just one of billions ;)

Re:Hack WGA First (3, Informative)

Five Bucks! (769277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059850)

As I said in my previous comment, "I'm only speaking from my perspective, but I'm sure others share my sentiment."

That said, I do agree with you. It would be foolhardy to say Windows is always greater than Linux or OSX - disregarding inherent security and stability issues, the OS that is best depends on the one that allows you to work most proficiently. For me, it is Windows; but I'm competent enough such that I could become proficient with Linux. It's just that the latest in gaming is usually released for Windows.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

mackyrae (999347) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060870)

UT2007 has Windows 95,98, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista (anything I missed?) and Linux on the same disk.

I'm definitely faster on Linux now. I was rather happy to find cygwin on the school's Windows boxes.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060822)

Moving around in Windows isn't actually that slow if you turn off the Fisher-Price interface. It becomes positively snappy with the 95-98 look.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

lordandmaker (960504) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059808)

Making the Quakes work under Linux is my next 'fun' computer related task. But they work fine under XP. And i'm slowly stripping away XP into quicker and quicker boot times for it. Though it is slowly dawning on me that i could just buy a games console and have those 20gb back...

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

GhaleonStrife (916215) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060350)

They do work under Linux. Icculus' Quake 2 installer for Quake 2, and I don't remember what it was for Quake. They're both in Gentoo's Portage.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060938)

I know this might not seem as easy as clicking next a few times, but installing Quake 4 (for example) was as easy as copying a few files from the CDs and running the latest patch from id Software to fill in the rest of the files.

Cedega (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060168)

This issue is quite common. I don't know the status of Cedega, as I'm not much of a gamer, but I undertand it's very useful.

Re:Hack WGA First (2, Interesting)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059754)

Ding ding ding. After seeing the WGA/DRM nightmare that is Vista, I wiped my Windows partition and am full time Ubuntu. I've never been happier with and more excited about the future of my OS.

Re:Hack WGA First (3, Funny)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060212)

I did the same, but then i ended up saying to myself "Now what do i do?"

But, much like someone above said, to each his own. I like playing games, and most games are not available for Linux. Dont get me wrong, Linux is fantastic, but it just lacks that ease of use and get up and go that Windows has. And yes, the WGA thing does keep me up at night, staring at my computer, expecting it to try and kill me in my sleep. And then take my wallet.

-Red

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061058)

That's about the only thing Windows has over Linux as far as I'm concerned.. gaming. But I came to the realization that I'm not doing myself any favors passing on a next gen console and instead buying Windows Vista to game. Hmmm.. ~$200 to buy a boxed copy of Vista to keep my OS up-to-date and game or ~$200 to pick up a Wii, download Ubuntu for the same effect. It was an easy choice.

Re:Hack WGA First (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060226)

Good luck. I never quite got the appeal of Ubuntu (pretty die-hard fedora guy), but I understand it's helping many such as yourself cut the shackles.

Re:Hack WGA First (2, Interesting)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061010)

The biggest appeal to me was all of my hardware working on the first boot. The biggest headache I've had trying to make the switch was making all my hardware work. Once that happened, the shackles took themselves off.

Always a game (5, Insightful)

nawcom (941663) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059398)

Microsoft software will always be a puzzle game to hackers and such; closed, hidden, and exciting to find.

Re:Always a game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059800)

Microsoft software will always be a puzzle game to hackers and such; closed, hidden, and exciting to find.

Really? Microsoft software is exciting to find?

Re:Always a game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059904)

It's exciting to fund, for masochistic values of 'exciting'.

Re:Always a game (3, Funny)

hollywoodb (809541) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059888)

puzzle game ... closed, hidden, and exciting to find
Isn't that the credo of Windows users?

"6 months running, don't know what the hell is happening, time for (another) reinstall!"

It's Starting Already... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059408)

I don't even have the operating system installed and I'm worrying about the hackers and the virus already.

Thhhbbbtttt (0)

alshithead (981606) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059430)

Shouldn't this article be rated redundant?

Re:Thhhbbbtttt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060104)

Shouldn't this article be rated redundant?

how about Irrelevant?

vista? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059514)

I'll just wait for that new linux version to come.. you'll be hearing from me, don't worry.

real hackers hack linux

Wondering how many... (2, Interesting)

Darundal (891860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059534)

...Viruses and other bits of Malware will be out in the wild ready to hit machines running Vista when corporations and other VLK owners start getting it installed and running. Microsoft claims it is their "Most Secure Operating System EVER," should be interesting to see how well they actually do maintaining that claim. I bet nothing for 2 days, but ~5 within the next week. What should be more interesting is how much press they get, and how Microsoft responds to them.

Re:Wondering how many... (1)

jmp_nyc (895404) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060804)

I bet nothing for 2 days, but ~5 within the next week.

I wouldn't take the other side of that bet. It looks like any of those early adopter companies that are running Lotus Notes (or any other third party mail client) are screwed from day 1. [zdnet.com.au] It seems that Microsoft put a big lock on the front door, but left the sliding glass door to the back yard wide open.
-JMP

Outcome is Predetermined (3, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059582)

1. Windows will always have "enough" security for most users. There's no incentive for them to do any better because they own the market already. Therefore, end-user security is not important.
2. The target is too big and the OS too poorly designed for running a reasonably safe desktop.
3. The outlook for system administration is good because there will be plenty of work.

What's sad is the Wikipedia page that compares Vista to XP conveniently studiously avoids the fact that Microsoft and the media corporations now control essential parts of your computer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windo ws_Vista [wikipedia.org]

I give the first verified Vista exploit 90 days from the day they ship to consumers. What's your bet?

Re:Outcome is Predetermined (5, Funny)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059642)

``I give the first verified Vista exploit 90 days from the day they ship to consumers.''

Is that because it takes them 187 days to verify it?

Beats the ThunderBird mail-eating bug. (3, Interesting)

Animaether (411575) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060326)

Sorry, going to be almost entirely off-topic here because a submission on this was rejected and I think it deserves at least some exposure. If it was Outlook eating e-mails Slashdot would be having a field day, but alright.

ThunderBird v1.5.0.8 introduced an issue where malformed e-mails (namely the Referer: header value matches the Message-Id: header value) is causing the e-mails not to be displayed. They are received, they're in the mailbox file, but they're not displayed. The error is probably somewhere in the Threading code, but affects non-threaded Views all the same. Worse yet, if you compact your folders (as you are recommended to do regularly), the invisible e-mails will also actually be deleted.

This issue has been in ThunderBird since 1.5.0.8 release, obviously. It was first discovered on November 9th. A bug was logged on November 11th. It is now December 1st (here anyway), and an official fixed release is not expected until later this month.

There is no telling how many users are affected by this bug, as most users will never realize that the mail isn't arriving - and when told, the first few things they would check is spam filters, their ISP's spam filters, firewalls, junk filters, and then the MozillaZine page on disappearing e-mail (sad that there's such a page) - which makes no mention of this bug either.

I'll take an exploit any day - turn my machine into a zombie if you must - but causing me to lose mail for no good reason, knowing about it, and not officially fixing it, is inexcusable.

That said - the fix is in the 1.8 branch, in 2.0, and in the nightly builds. Thing is, only way to know about it is if you read the bug (change referrer - bugzilla.mozilla blocks slashdot referrers):
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36040 9 [mozilla.org]

Re:Outcome is Predetermined (0, Troll)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060376)

are you fucking retarded? windows security on all versions previous to vista was criminal it was so bad (giving vista the benefit of the doubt here). security that allows malicous code to be run on your pc without you even installing it, is FAR from good enough. there's NO excuse for it being so bad, the desktop is not too big or complex for a company will BILLIONS in the bank to sort out. they can hire the top experts in the world to fix it for them. all your excuses are piss weak.

Re:Outcome is Predetermined (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060744)

Considering how the Xbox360 hacking is going, I'm thinking Vista might have some hope, unfortunately.

Re:Outcome is Predetermined (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061016)

The Xbox360 is a "trusted computing" environment where all executables are cryptographically signed and whatnot. Windows runs on a normal PC, so they don't have that sort of control over the computer right now.

Sneak Peeks (4, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059604)

``Some folks on the Black Hat set got a sneak peek at Vista earlier this year''

It seems to me pretty much everyone got a sneak peek at Vista earlier this year.

Re:Sneak Peeks (1)

Utopia (149375) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059960)

That comment seems to be from the Slashdot editor not from the submitter.
Obviously he didn't get a peek.

  .

Helping Hacker Culture Grow (5, Informative)

foobsr (693224) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059624)

If you are a writer or journalist, don't say or write hacker when you mean cracker. If you work with writers or journalists, educate them on this issue and push them to do the right thing. If you catch a newspaper or magazine abusing the work `hacker', write them and straigten them out (this appendix includes a model letter).

The New Hacker's Dictionary [outpost9.com]

CC.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (2, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059716)

While I sympathise to some extent, you're fighting a lost battle. In fact, it's pretty much the same one that people who bemoan that the word "gay" no longer means happy lost years ago.

To 99.9999% of the world, Hacker == Cracker == bad person

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059842)

you're fighting a lost battle

Never mind, my father used "jerry-rigged" means, I still cling to that aspect :)

CC.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (1)

zrobotics (760688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059982)

You do know that's still a racist insult, right?
WWII...Jerries=Germans

It's just not as offensive now because no-one uses the word in that context anymore.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060174)

Talking about "Jerry-rigged":
You do know that's still a racist insult, right?
WWII...Jerries=Germans

Similar phrases (e.g. Jerry-built) go back well before WWII. The OED says "origin not ascertained", but says the earliest known example dates from 1869.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059912)

To 99.9999% of the world, Hacker == Cracker == bad person
That's gay.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059886)

"Vista Crackers"
Sounds tasty.

Earlier this year, a bunch of crackas got a hold of Windows Vista...

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (2, Interesting)

slackmaster2000 (820067) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059930)

This will never change in the media.

The term "hacker" has for a very long time been used to describe those individuals who break into computer systems. Your computer gets "hacked," your software is "cracked." When Hollywood makes a movie about kids who break into computer systems, they are called "hackers." When you read in the paper about people going to jail for breaking into computers, they are referred to "hackers." This is the terminology that average people understand.

Aside from all that, "cracker" has been a derogatory term "white guy" for longer than computer crackers have been around. If I saw a headline that read "Cracker Arrested" I'd picture some fat guy with no shirt yelling obscenities at the cops.

I think that hackers have to let go of the label. Besides, if Jurassic Park has taught us anything, it's that "I'm a hacker" sounds really, really dumb....unless you really do break into computer systems, in which case it's a bit more on the cool side.

Personally, I just tell people that I'm a computer nerd. Being proud of being good with computers doesn't impress the masses too much, so it helps to diffuse the inevitable smirk by just admitting right off that you're a nerd and you damn well know it.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (4, Funny)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060160)

You mean REALLY liking computers won't turn my hair blue and introduce me to a world of leather clad babes and techno music? I thought I just wasn't using mine enough. This is disappointing.

Yeah, I don't really understand why people get mad at "hacker == cracker". They're mislabled as badboys. You wouldn't want them mislabeling you as fat lonely nerds who live in their....

Wait.

Shit.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (1)

flight_master (867426) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060894)

I'd rather be labeled as a 6'2" arrogant bastard that enjoys computers as just one past time, and loves to invoke fear in people by always smiling.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (2, Insightful)

ampathee (682788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060242)

Personally, I say 'geek' - I think it sounds cooler than 'nerd'.

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060070)

If you are a writer or journalist, don't say or write "Dr.Who" when you mean "Doctor Who". If you work with writers or journalists, educate them on this issue and push them to do the right thing. If you catch a newspaper or magazine abusing the work `Doctor Who', write them and straigten them out (this appendix includes a model letter).

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (2, Insightful)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060500)

Get over it. That battle was lost a decade ago. Nobody cares anymore.

Or are you one of those folks who still gets into System V/Berkeley flame war...

Re:Helping Hacker Culture Grow (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060932)

don't say or write hacker when you mean cracker

      No. That's the thing really. With the DMCA, both of them are criminals now anyway...

I had no idea Windows Vista was released today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059638)

This is a big launch for them, but for everyone else it's ho-hum" [computerworld.com]

I haven't been living in a cave I swear. I had no idea Windows Vista was being released today.

Either I haven't been paying as much attention (Although I'm on top of most of our other software), or MS just isn't pushing this release as aggressively as I would expect.

Vista was delayed over and over and over again--- eventually I stopped paying attention.

I saw a long line of these guys at compusa (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17059656)

They were all standing around with their tents in their black hats waiting to crack stuff and make keygens and shit. I asked why they were waiting in line when they could have had the RTM weeks ago on Usenet? They replied, "What's Usenet?" Those black hats must really fuck with the circulation in your head. I wonder if Slashdot editors wear black hats.

Will Smith would have said: (1)

louzer (1006689) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059686)

You know what? Somehow, 'I told you so' just doesn't quite cut it.

Third party application. (2, Interesting)

Utopia (149375) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059890)

Windows Mail identifies and stops all ten threats on its list,
Stratio-Zip, Netsky-D, and MyDoom-O are able to bypass security when a third-party email client is used.

Good proof that Vista is insecure.

Re:Third party application. (2, Interesting)

innocence18 (897646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060600)

Isn't this the same as lumping Apache vulnerabilities in with Linux vulnerabilities? 3rd party mail app problems are hardly Vista's fault are they?

Re:Third party application. (1)

unifex (206839) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061064)

So what this is saying is that if I go buy a brand new car and replace the windows with flyscreens I can blame the car manufacturer when the car gets broken into ?

Why not do something useful with your life? (0, Offtopic)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17059926)

Patch the holes rather than expoiting them. I know the whole chaos mentality but I can't see the difference between viruses and taking destructive advantantage of exploits and setting fires just because you can. Sorry I've been a victim of virus attacks and I'm very careful. Why not do something contructive with your skill and life? I was joking about patching the holes, although it'd be much appreciated, but why not put the energy into writing a challenging program? Destruction is for destructions sake. It's a sad thing when your goal in life is to make millions miserable. You aren't attacking Microsoft half as much as the users. It's an annoyance to Microsoft but it's often devastating to the end user.

Re:Why not do something useful with your life? (1)

peektwice (726616) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060026)

You've obviously never known the joy of making your own fireworks.

Re:Why not do something useful with your life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060152)

You obviously have never had to deal with damn kids blowing up your fence on the 4th of july.

Re:Why not do something useful with your life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060286)

Yeah, and they have to CROSS MY GODDAM LAWN to get to said fence. BASTARDS.

Re:Why not do something useful with your life? (1)

pestilence669 (823950) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060984)

As devil's advocate:

There's a real good reason to create viruses: To force software makers to patch their software. A bugs generally has a much longer time frame to be fixed. Patching for a virus or worm tends to happen instantly.

I wonder... (0, Troll)

Xamusk (702162) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060238)

I just wonder when will the first exploit be released... and which new ways of compromising a Windows machine will be found...

Oh, I forgot... Micro$oft already told them new ways. [slashdot.org]
Probably some botnet dev already has something up his sleeve, just waiting for some more people to get the door open.

Most Secure Windows EVER! (-1, Offtopic)

musther (961493) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060370)

M$ say that Vista will be their most secure/stable/[Insert adjective here] Windows Operating System ever... Every single time they bring a new one out it's the same claims. I remember installing Windows 95 from floppies on an old 486 with either 8 or 16mb RAM. The propaganda messages which were displayed during the install process (remember, they're bombarding me with propaganda AFTER I've bought (read 'acquired') the OS) assured me that my computer would 'be faster and more reliable'. It wasn't my first time installing Win95 and I knew that this was a load of rubbish, the computer was much slower than it had been with DOS 6.22 and Win 3.11, but that isn't really a surprise. Of course we all know that 95 crashed every few minutes too so that's another count on which they were wrong. With Windows 98 we heard the same thing and again took a performance hit, and again it wasn't exactly stable. Then I was amazed when I read similar messages upon installing XP, FASTER, faster than what, a snail with a bad hip? Of course, in the long run I'd quite like to see M$ stuff Vista up (and stuff the users around too), might get people looking in the FLOSS direction.

What a bunch of knuckleheads... (0, Offtopic)

Asrynachs (1000570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060378)

Well the new office building is getting ready to open and the building inspectors are getting ready to do what they do best. Except in this case if the inspectors find any load bearing beams they'll losen whatever bolts they can find in an attempt to collapse a couple floors.

wtf bs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17060398)

ive had vista for almost a year i got it from microsoft this story is shit SAGE

Re:wtf bs (2, Funny)

HeadlessNotAHorseman (823040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060778)

I've had vista for nigh on seventy years, and I had to walk backwards up a hill for forty miles at 4am every day to use it! And we didn't have none of those fancy computers to run it on, we had to manipulate the bits with our fingers, in the snow, without gloves on!

Re:wtf bs (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060902)

we had to manipulate the bits with our fingers, in the snow, without gloves on!

      You had FINGERS? You lucky dog. We used to sit around at night, in the freezing cold, dreaming about what it would be like to have fingers...

Predictions (4, Interesting)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060586)

o Exploits will be in older code.
o The first "exploits" announced will be simply userland Trojans, as will most that follow.
o Old-style remote exploits will be unusual and dramatically rarer than we're used to.
o Nobody will notice the difference. The media will lump all problems together and the reports will boil down to "LOL V1st4 pwned".

MS has hunted down unsafe APIs and banned crypto algorithms that are damaged (MD5) or that nobody can figure out how to use correctly (RC4). They compile with stack canaries. They've added address space layout randomization. A large number of people in Canada will forever snarl at me in derision for saying this, but Microsoft is beginning to absorb lessons from the success of OpenBSD.

It's never going to be the same, of course. There's not enough money in the world to audit Microsoft's cetacean code base to OpenBSD standards and I can't believe the design of Windows would support privilege separation.

THE most secure version of Windows, ever? (3, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17060982)

Mercy me I can't imagine there will be any vulnerabilities at all in this newest highest priced, longest to develop & release version of Microsoft's ratio sum ultra of enterprise operating systems. And even if there are and someone exploits them that would just be unfair and mean. I'm sure I wouldn't want to know about any exploits in this the most critical and hyped version of Microsoft Windows.

Evil (1)

Disseminated (1022915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17061042)

The Hackers hate Vista users Freedoms!
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