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Yahoo Pushing IE7 On Firefox Users

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the buy-my-free-browser-please dept.

Yahoo! 300

El Lobo writes "Looks like things are heating up again in the browser wars. Google has been openly supporting Firefox, so now Yahoo is displaying a new feature on search results pages for FireFox users. It appears that Yahoo is pushing downloads of IE7 from Microsoft and including itself as the default search engine installed in the file menu area." I got the invitation to download IE7 when running Firefox on a Mac, and even when running IE5 under CrossOver; but not when running IE7 under Parallels.

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Sounds Like A Beat-Down (-1, Offtopic)

The Lone Man (1017800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092292)

I say they settle this over a nice friendly game of Resistance: Fall of Man.

Fair enough (5, Insightful)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092294)

They are not "pushing". It's just an advertisement. I have seen worse, for example all those Firefox evangelistic campaigns like: "Make history with Firefox", "Rediscovery the web with Firefox", "Add a Firefox button to your web", "Firefox in your email signature", "Firefox site prefeared" . Hell I've even seen a "Screw IE" button once on some "respected" site
Nothing different from this "Firefox protects you" official Google site: http://www.google.com/firefox [google.com]
Fair enough. Nothing to see here, folks [bg]

Re:Fair enough (-1, Troll)

lixee (863589) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092382)

Hell I've even seen a "Screw IE" button once on some "respected" site
MS has proven to be a monopolistic bully (Netscape days, anyone?). It's our right/duty as consumers to spread the word.
Linux free for over 10 years.... And proud of it!
Just like every other lemming around. Nothing to be proud of in particular.

Re:Fair enough (4, Insightful)

Renegade88 (874837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092510)

Linux free for over 10 years.... And proud of it!
Just like every other lemming around. Nothing to be proud of in particular.
Many BSD users have been Linux-free this whole time, other than the ones that teethed on Linux, then quickly realized there was something better (like me). Just because someone doesn't use Linux doesn't automatically mean they are using an inferior OS.

Re:Fair enough (0, Offtopic)

apendrag0n3 (1001273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092758)

Couldn't agree more... {shameless advertisement: OPENBSD - Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 10 years! http://www.openbsd.org/ [openbsd.org] }

Other considerations besides security. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092834)

I like OpenBSD, I use an OpenBSD based firewall. OpenBSD is my friend. But give me a break. OpenBSD and Linux aren't in the same ballpark.

Linux has better performance, better driver support, a MUCH MUCH friendlier support community, and more choice of distributions, from embedded systems through desktops, servers, and clusters.

Apples and oranges (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092956)

OpenBSD is a distribution of BSD. Linux is a kernel. You're comparing one distribution of BSD to the multitude of Linux distributions.

You have a point, but you're making it poorly.

Re:Fair enough (0, Offtopic)

Crazyscottie (947072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092892)

Asking purely out of curiosity, not out of disagreement (I've never used BSD)... What can BSD do that Linux can't?

Re:Fair enough (5, Insightful)

Anti_Climax (447121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092440)

I hit one page looking for a free/open source application (wish I could remember which one it was) and was greeted with a large banner at the top and an audio recording saying my computer was "infected" with internet explorer and I should switch to Firefox to remedy it.

Now I can understand the advantages and disadvantages of Firefox and IE, but annoying me by acting like a jackass isn't the way to convince me to switch.

I will say, after trying IE7 under Vista at work, trying Firefox 2.0, having issues with IE6 remembering my settings and finding out about IETab [mozdev.org] , the switch was an easy decision for me. Pundit asshattery hurt rather than helped the situation.

Re:Fair enough (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092482)

see http://ibooyah.com/ [ibooyah.com] for some good thoughts on Yahoo and other internet companies.

Search-Market Consolidation and Free Market (5, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092504)

When a market reaches maturity, the numerous competing firms consolidate into a small number of major competitors. Consider the personal-computer market. It once had numerous strong competitors: AST, Gateway, Compaq, Dell, HP, IBM, etc. Now, there are only a few major players: HP, Dell, and Lenovo.

The same happened in the market for 0x86 processors. The market once had numerous strong competitors: AMD, Nexgen, Cyrix, Centaur, and Intel. Now, there are only 2 major players: AMD and Intel.

The search market is facing a similar consolidation -- in 2 phases. The market once had numerous strong competitors: Microsoft, Google, AltaVista, Yahoo, AskJeeves, etc. After the first phase of consolidation, there are 3 major players: Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google. Now, the market is entering the second phase of consolidation. Like the personal computer, the search tool is a commodity product with almost no product differentiation. A search on Yahoo works just like a search on Microsoft Live. Why do we need 3 essentially identical products on the market?

The market appears to be consolidating into (1) Google being the major player and (2) the merger of Microsoft and Yahoo being the minor player. The recent loss of search market share from Yahoo to Google is also nudging Yahoo into being acquired by Microsoft.

Yahoo is leaning in that direction by giving preference to IE7.

Re:Fair enough (3, Informative)

dubonbacon (866462) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092572)

Google are hosting the official firefox homepage and are the default search engine. They are paying Mozilla for this.

Re:Fair enough (5, Insightful)

asabjorn (903413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092596)

I would agree if it was not for the fact that Microsoft acquired the browser market share that it currently has through questionable practices (read monopoly abuse) so the tactics it is using to target the users of it's biggest competition should be limited. From Yahoo!s perspective it probably makes sense financially to do such a deal with Microsoft, but inherently this is more about Microsoft trying to push it's browse platform as a way to lock users in to it's main platform. Therefore it would be better if Microsoft was prohibited from doing such deals because that would probably increase the competition in the marketplace and Yahoo! could make a similar deal with an alternative browser instead (e.g Opera).

But I would say that in the so called browser wars the government has largely failed at performing their role in limiting Microsofts abuse of their operating system monopoly in achieving a monopoly position in another market. It is not illegal to have a monopoly, it is just illegal to abuse it.

Re:Not just an advertisement (1)

sysgeek01 (866290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092618)

It can't be an advertisement when Yahoo is offering the download directly from their website. Yahoo is pushing IE7. http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/index. php?fr=yfp-t-501 [yahoo.com] On a humorous side not, Yahoo owns the domain "yawho.com I saw a bunch of people with phrases like "yahoo?" and I thought it would be a funny domain, but they beat me to it. :)

Re:Fair enough (2, Informative)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092628)

I've never seen firefox advertising in google while I used it with IE. Just because they have a firefox-exclusive home page doesn't means they spam people to use firefox, like Yahoo is doing. Instead, they hire firefox developers and offer monetary incentives if a adsense user agrees to advertise firefox.

Re:Fair enough (1)

winomonkey (983062) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092684)

Websites, or, those who build them, DO prefer Firefox. Something about standards complaince, I believe (currently rewriting my CSS so that it is supported by the last three versions of IE...looks fine on FF).

Re:Fair enough (2, Informative)

Crazyscottie (947072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092874)

While you are correct in that FF is leaps and bounds ahead of IE in terms of standards compliance, it's worth noting that FF still doesn't pass the ACID2 [webstandards.org] test like Opera and some others do.

Re:Fair enough (4, Interesting)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092914)

Develop on Safari or Konqueror. I have had to fix sites that were written by professionals who develop on Firefox, but used invalid CSS that Firefox and IE handled gracefully, but incorrectly.

Re:Fair enough (1)

bieber (998013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092712)

Linux free for over 10 years.... And proud of it!
I'm going to assume that by that you haven't used Linux for any of the ten years you've been alive.

Re:Fair enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092862)

Shock horror!! You mean they are ass kissing and applying double standards; thats not new for Slashdot.

Re:Fair enough (1)

nurbles (801091) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092934)

The may not be "pushing" but by making almost impossible to see the content of email messages on the Yahoo mail site, they've effectively forced me to use IE (well, IE Tab in FireFox, but still...) in order to read the mail that comes to that account. And both FireFox 1.5 and 2.0 have the same rendering problem with Yahoo mail, at least for me. When I contacted support, I've been told (more than once) that my questions is important and will be answered as soon as possible -- which is NOT apparently within 30 days of posting a question about total unusability of their service. But "pushing" me to use IE? No, I wouldn't say that. After all, I can just not use Yahoo at all, right?

Doomed to fail (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092308)


Nobody's using Yahoo for search, including people who work at Yahoo.

Re:Doomed to fail (2, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092500)

Nobody's using Yahoo for search
Except Yahoo Serious [yahooserious.com] .

Does it matter? (5, Insightful)

uchihalush (898615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092312)

It's not really a big deal because if the experience on Firefox really better than IE, as we tout it is, then the converters will have no choice but to stick. Even if they download IE to see if it's better, the better browser WILL in fact win. We are not talking about people who are reluctant to switch, it's those who already have. If they are not having an enjoyable experience on firefox then let em leave who the hell cares?

Re:Does it matter? (5, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092468)

``It's not really a big deal because if the experience on Firefox really better than IE''

That's not the only issue. Another issue is that IE has the bulk of the market share, especially among non-tech-savvy users. This means web developers always have to consider how IE behaves on their sites, even if the behavior is clearly a bug in IE. For years, this has stalled progress on the web, because Microsoft would not support certain features in IE, making it unattractive for web designers and developers to use them.

The growing market share of Firefox has led more sites to include certain niceties, even if they didn't actually work well or at all in IE. This has increased the attractiveness of Firefox, as well as compelled Microsoft to improve their browser.

Arguably, it would be a Bad Thing if this development were stopped just now it's starting to yield fruit. Competition between web browsers is good, it leads to better browsers and better sites.

Re:Does it matter? (3, Interesting)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092690)

There is definately a page on my university's site (dont remember where though, sorry) that exploits an IE CSS bug to display a firefox download link only to IE users. No fancy browser-checking code here, just some valid CSS that is improperly displayed on IE.

Yahoo? (0, Flamebait)

10e6Steve (545457) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092316)

Who uses Yahoo?

Re:Yahoo? (1)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092344)

What's a "Yahoo"?

Re:Yahoo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092364)

What is a goggle?

Re:Yahoo? (2, Funny)

Daath (225404) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092390)

Here you go [google.com] , and you're welcome :)

Re:Yahoo? (1)

schon (31600) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092414)

What is a goggle?
Well, according to Google [google.ca] , it's a protective form of eyewear designed to protect the eyes and seal to the surrounding face.

Re:Yahoo? (2, Informative)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092452)

About 28% of Americans use it according to most market research.

Re:Yahoo? (1)

Yakman (22964) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092672)

What about according to Netcraft? :)

Re:Yahoo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092654)

Yawho?

Yahoo? (5, Funny)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092352)

Wasn't that one of the pre-Google search engines?

Re:Yahoo? (4, Informative)

daeg (828071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092428)

Yes, Yahoo! actually used Google results up through the beginning of 2004. They dropped Google and went with a derivative of the Inktomi search engine which they had acquired through the beginning of 2003.

Re:Yahoo? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092724)

Their spider sucks. They keep trying to load nonexistent files for which they already have got many 404 errors even after all references to them have disappeared for a year.

Re:Yahoo? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092484)

Yahoo isn't totally useless as a search engine. Just look for Best Search Engine, and it'll point you the right way.

Detailed analysis follows. (2, Insightful)

Daath (225404) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092354)

Ok, where to start. Let's see... Ok, here goes: So what? Who cares?
No. Seriously. So yahoo got a truckload of cash from Microsoft. Who can blame them? Not I, posting from Firefox 2.

Not "pushing" until they block your user agent.. (4, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092366)

It's not "pushing" until they block the user agent of your browser..

My school started doing this last year.. I navigated to their registration site with safari and got a nice little "we won't let you go to this site with your browser of choice" message..

I promptly enabled the debug menu and chose MSIE6 as my user agent.. it then let me in and I had absolutely no problems doing what I wanted to do.

Now this may become a much more sticky problem when they start taking advantage of the "remote attestation" in treacherous computing to prevent you from lying to the servers of anticompetitive schticks like this school of mine.

Re:Not "pushing" until they block your user agent. (2, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092488)

Yours isn't the only one. I'm a University of Phoenix [phoenix.edu] grad, and they have a block on non-IE browsers on their student access site [phoenix.edu] . Worse, one student I know of who goes there tells me that some classes have requirements to read DRMed eBooks with Adobe Reader, and of course, all though there is an Adobe Reader for her platform of choice (GNU/Linux), it doesn't support the DRM.

Re:Not "pushing" until they block your user agent. (1)

rgbecker (240211) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092796)

Interestingly it seems yahoo is having some problems today displaying my myhome pages. That doesn't seem to be related to whether I use IE7 or not though.

Re:Not "pushing" until they block your user agent. (1)

Bent Mind (853241) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092896)

My bank started doing something similar recently. They don't block IE or Firefox. However, they do block Konqueror. I simply changed the user agent ID and everything works the same. I don't think it's really a conspiracy, rather poor coding on the part of the web designer.

Of more concern to me is the actions of my local TV news station. In the past they offered video feeds in Real format. Real works on all platforms and with all browsers as far as I know. However, they recently switched to some new proprietary format that only works with Windows and IE.

I often wanted to ask these companies if they are being directly paid by Microsoft or if they are purposely pushing Microsoft's monopoly on us. However, I think the truth is that there are a lot of people making IT decisions that don't have a clue what they are doing. They know the buzz words and marketing hype and simply parrot it.

'Targeting Firefox Users'? (2, Insightful)

Justus (18814) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092374)

I'm all for getting riled up and everything, but you know, it's rather more likely that Yahoo is pushing IE7 on anyone who's not running IE7 (so Firefox, Safari, IE6 or lower, etc) instead of specifically trying to get you to switch from Firefox.

This isn't really shocking or terrible or anything, as it seems like Yahoo has a branded download of IE ("IE7 Optimized for Yahoo" is visible in one of the screenshots) and doesn't have a branded version of the other browsers. Does it really matter what browser they advertise?

Re:'Targeting Firefox Users'? (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092432)

Why should they bother? Anyone who can update to IE7 will, as IE7 is (or will be soon in certain areas that don't have it already) pushed through Windows Automatic Updates. What is the point of Yahoo advertising IE7 to anyone?

Re:'Targeting Firefox Users'? (1)

ampathee (682788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092480)

Uhh.. Because as the GP said:
Yahoo has a branded download of IE ("IE7 Optimized for Yahoo" is visible in one of the screenshots)

Re:'Targeting Firefox Users'? (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092916)

Well, I was going to post it in my own original thread since I hadn't seen it yet - that they want people to download and use IE7 so that the next time they visit yahoo they get all of yahoo's crap-ware installed. But this is the first post on this page that has said anything about the sponsored IE7 download pre-including the crap...

Re:'Targeting Firefox Users'? (1)

aevan (903814) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092840)

For those who disabled Windows Auto Update?

Safari and Opera: not a target (1)

rvw (755107) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092622)

When using Opera 9 (OSX), I got another ad, for Yahoo Answers. When using Safari, I got an ad for the search bar. So this ad is targeted at Firefox, which seems reasonable. Safari is not a target as MS has discontinued development of IE for the Mac, and has said people should use Safari. Opera is probably too small to bother, and not growing in market share.

Re:'Targeting Firefox Users'? (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092942)

I don't see a problem either... and I definitely don't see that ad targeted at Firefox users.
Or Opera users, for that matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we been able to search directly from our browsers for quite some time now?

From all I can see, Yahoo is targeting IE6- users.

You know, the ones still using Yahoo. </troll> ;)

Yahoo Games (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092408)

I've noticed that some of the games that yahoo hosts don't work properly on firefox.

Re:Yahoo Games (1)

eck011219 (851729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092894)

How is this modded offtopic? Come on, people, this is a valid observation to this discussion.

What's the problem? (2, Insightful)

Alex Kraskramp (1031308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092410)

I don't see a problem with this. I you don't want to download IE7,.. fine. No hurt feelings. I don't use Yahoo's services; I prefer Google. Google wants me to download and install its Google Toolbar, Google Desktop search engine, et cetera. I choose not to and I did not experience their offerings as a nuisance or anything more evil than what I experience when I walk into a random stones-and-bricks store. By the way, Google does not promote FireFox as a form of pure altruism. Businesses make business decissions.

Re:What's the problem? (1)

MollyB (162595) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092536)

Do you mean the store sells random stones, along with bricks? Or is it any random store that sells nonrandom rocks and (presumably) uniform bricks? Perhaps you meant "brick-and-mortar"?

Your point is clear, however, and I agree with you. Individuals make individual decisions. No need to get excited...

Re:What's the problem? (1)

Alex Kraskramp (1031308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092704)

Well, English is not my native language and you're right, thank you. I should've looked it up, since I intented to use the correct English expression for this.

To expand on my point: when I visit a store, I'm surrounded with signs and ads, all advertising the greatness of the store in question or promoting some deal they've closed with an other company that, of course, present the customer "an offer they can't possible refuse".

I believe I started with NetCrawler as my SE. AltaVista followed shortly. Then Google had indexed enough of the web to present itself as a viable option. The simplicity, bla bla bla, market share.

The bottom line is: when someone comes up with something better, the users will follow. If users don't like Yahoo's songs, they'll simply switch station.

No disrespect to the author, but this articles boils down to.. a hurricane in a small glass of water.

Re:What's the problem? (1)

MollyB (162595) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092792)

My comment was made in ignorance; your English is better than most native speakers/writers of it. Idioms are challenging for anyone learning another tongue. Sorry for seeming so boorish.

I don't get it (1)

mysticgoat (582871) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092426)

I just tried Yahoo Search. I haven't seen the ad for IEv7 in half a dozen different searches (using Firefox v2.0 as my browser).

Could this be because I have already installed IEv7? Or because I was using FF v2.0 and therefore not a likely candidate for upgrading?

In any event, I favor anything that would encourage people to migrate from IEv6 to something that was more secure and complied better with web standards, even IEv7. We'll all be better off for that.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Pacifist Brawler (987348) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092470)

Very bottom of the page. I just got it running Firefox 2.0 on Linux (Kubuntu).

Clicked the link and got a "your system doesn't meet minimum requirements message." I was disappointed ;)

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

Skater (41976) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092650)

Very bottom of the page. I just got it running Firefox 2.0 on Linux (Kubuntu).
THAT'S what passes for "pushing" these days? An "MS IE Optimized for Yahoo" ad at the BOTTOM of the page, below all the results, navbar, etc.? "Pushing" IE to me would be, say, blocking use of search.yahoo.com with other browsers or something - and even that would be questionable "pushing" since there are plenty of other search engines, and I don't think Yahoo's is so great that I could live without it (in fact, until just now, I haven't used it since Google appeared).

If that's pushing IE, then websites should feel free to continue pushing things in that manner. It's the most unobtrusive ad I've ever seen. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out to me.

This is a nonstory.

"Pushing" it to Mac users too... (1)

RustNeverSleeps (846857) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092438)

I've seen the same thing, and I'm on a Mac which obviously prevents me from using IE7 if I wanted to (which I don't).

malware evolution (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092446)

I am guessing this the next logical step from the toolbar plague we experienced a few years back.

Hardly pushing (3, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092450)

It's a freakin' ad.

Pushing would be forcing you to install IE7 to use yahoo.

Now that's a nice idea... (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092962)

... we've just been thinking of some way to decrease our market share some more.

Sincerely,
Yahoo!

Oh the humanity (5, Funny)

Handlarn (911194) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092466)

Yahoo and Internet Explorer 7 vs Google and Firefox 2...

What to chose? Hmmm... What to chose?

Re:Oh the humanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092522)

Altavista and Opera?

Re:Oh the humanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092542)

It's like choosing between raw onions covered in ketchup vs. chocolate cake covered in icing.

Re:Oh the humanity (1)

hclyff (925743) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092790)

Problem with most people is they don't know they have chocolate cake in the fridge and gladly go for the onions on the table.

Not too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092512)

When I read the article title, which is somewhat misleading, I thought that there was some new feature that required IE7 in order to be used. I'm glad that everyone Yahoo offers still functions in Firefox, because that's all that matters to me.

Image search as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092516)

> Upgrade your image search experience with the new Internet Explorer 7. Get it now

What advantages does Internet Explorer 7 has over Firefox for people like myself who are searching for porn?

Can a Microsoft or Yahoo spokesman enlighten me?

Re:Image search as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092816)

As reported by several insiders, Yahoo and MS are working together to develop a revolutionary technology which will render an ordinary 2-D image in 3-D, if the image contains a penis, a vagina, tits/boobs. It has not yet been confirmed if assholes will be rendered in 3-D, though gay community expects that they will not be disappointed when they finally beta release it to public.

Re:Image search as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092852)

> It has not yet been confirmed if assholes will be rendered in 3-D, though gay community
> expects that they will not be disappointed when they finally beta release it to public.

What does the gay community want a 3D Ballmer for?

ads? too many (2, Interesting)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092552)

I just re-opened my yahoo account. I'd say a good 35% of the screen is ads, all over the place, along the left, in the message pane, along the right, the top, ads ads ads.

Compare that to google with it's adsense ads. Small, unobtrusive, text ads....

Whether Yahoo prefers IE or not [btw the BETA client works just fine in Seamonkey..] is moot compared to the horrible placement of all the ads...

Tom

Re:ads? too many (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092826)

I still use Yahoo mail for some things. I have not seen the ads you speak of in a long long time. I use Firefox. I use Flashblock but not Adblock. I have either already blocked most ad sites via my hosts file or via the context menu in Firefox that allows me to block images from certain domains and the most notorious of ad domains are blocked at the router.

My Yahoo Mail experience is pretty ad free. However, I will state that it is not the best free email package out there, but for the few things I need, it suffices until they mess up and I go looking for a better package, probably Google.

Google ads are not blocked on any of computers as they are the nice simple text ads. I do not block those types of ads as they are not intrusive. I agree with you on that.

Be independent. (3, Funny)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092562)

Use the Lynx/Teoma combo.

You are weak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092884)

I browse using Telnet, and I don't need to search: I know where things are.

yahoo pushing firefox - no really (3, Interesting)

gsn (989808) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092576)

so I just went to search.yahoo.com [yahoo.com] after eons and what do I see on the top of the page

"Use Yahoo! to search from Firefox
Just select "Yahoo!" from the search box drop-down menu in your browser"

screenshot [flickr.com]

So Yahoo seems to be advertising its own search service more than anything else. Huh...who'd have though a search company advertising their own search service - the horror. They are hardly pushing it - that'd be forcing you to download IE7 with the yahoo toolbar bundled and blocking dedicated FF+typically Google users like me.

Utter bs. Must be a slow news day.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092600)

Maybe I should write a blog post and submit a story about how google is pushing FireFox on IE7 users...

who cares (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092602)

Who actually uses Yahoo any more, anyway?

Funny... (1)

Steppman2 (1029992) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092612)

I searched for "browser" in yahoo using FF2 and XPSP2 and got nothing but advertisements for Firefox... Try it yourself!

huh! (2, Interesting)

syd108 (1035104) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092644)

I thought we only discussed about stuff that matters? Oh well if that were true I would have not posted this either

bitten back (1)

arifirefox (1031488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092646)

all it will mean in the end is that nobody will go to yahoo anymore because they'll use Microsoft search by default. Yahoo can avoid this with their own version of firefox that puts yahoo as its default search engine

Interesting... (2, Interesting)

ogott (1004378) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092664)

Seems as if right now, when I'm performing a search on Yahoo.com using Safari, there's an 'ad' on the bottom of the page leading to a download of the Yahoo Toolbar for IE or Firefox (explicitly for Win, Mac, Linux). On the other hand, when I use Firefox (under Mac OSX as well), there is the link for IE7 instead.

Wasted ad if they don't check the OS (3, Insightful)

Chris Tyler (2180) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092688)

I just tried a search on Yahoo and got the same ad. They must have checked the User Agent string to see that I was using Firefox. But why didn't they check to see if I was using Windows? -- why bother advertising IE to me if I can't run it on my system?

Who? (2, Funny)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092700)

Yah-who?

Re:Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092806)

ahahahaha!

Yahoo never gets it! (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092706)

Yahoo does not get it. Can you imagine that even now, Yahoo's Launchcast service does not support Firefox! When one attempts to use it, he is faced with this "Error Code: 24."

No wonder they (Yahoo) are a struggling company by some measures these days. It does not have to be that way. It's because of this reason that it is my mission to avoid Yahoo services as much as possible.

The pushing of Internet Explorer 7 is yet another arrogant and bigoted notion that tends to lean on the premise that all internet users use the Windows platform, which is grossly false.

Pushing users off (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092740)

I used to set my family's computers homepage to yahoo. But they have since redone their TV listings so that they load like crap. Before that they made it so that many of their videos would only work with Window's media player.

It's not just that they're pushing ie7. It's that they are becoming too microsoft-flash-ajax centric, especially for people with older computers and slow connections (yes, not everyone can afford broadband/new computers). Yahoo doesn't really care about these users, I guess because they are not the ones they want to market to. But I do have a broadband connection and Yahoo's TV listings load horribly now (they just changed them to an ajax layout).

Yahoo is really taking steps backwards, not forwards. I hope that their deal with Microsoft was worth it, because they are losing people heading to their website.

They can push (1)

no-body (127863) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092748)

as much as they want....
Yahoo is only used for weather pages, way too noisy... and -
W2K can't run IE7, not to speak about the "Advantage" thingie....

Yep (1)

eck011219 (851729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092760)

No editorial intent here, but I can confirm that that's what happens. When I go to yahoo.com with Firefox 2.0 in Vista and search, I get the ad and link. When I use IE7, I don't.

I don't see it (1)

jon_joy_1999 (946738) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092778)

I dunno, I guess it's because I have .*ads.* and .*/b\?.* adblocked?

people ask why do I block advertisements. I respond "Why do I mute the television and go online during a commerical break?"

Video demonstrating why IE7 is better than Firefox (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092788)

I made a video [youtube.com] demostrating why IE7 is better than Firefox2.0. Every boss should consider these points when making decision about browser policy in any company - small or large.

VIDEO IS SPAM (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092970)

So don't bother watching it like I did.

What is the Problem? (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092814)

Although I am a Firefox user, personally I don't see anything wrong with what Yahoo is doing here. They are using THEIR website to promote a product of THEIR choice which may also be configured to use Yahoo as the default search engine. They are not forcing anyone to download IE7 and unless you run out and buy a copy of Vista before the end of January it was not pre-installed on your computer. Granted, IE7 was listed by Microsoft as a critical update in their update services, but that was the doing of Microsoft, not Yahoo. Should one not be free to advertise and promote the products of their choosing on their own website?

Re:What is the Problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092968)

Yes, one is entitled to push whatever crap they want. And to be ridiculed for that.

what ever happend to Netscape? (1)

adaminnj (712407) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092828)

I just want to know if Netscape is not even in the game anymore.

I know Mozilla, and Firefox is kind of part of the "Netscape",
but it looks so far removed in the browser war it's hard to belive that they where ever in the game.

I meen who remmbers mosaic, internet in a box, and the other hand full of browsers that where on the market in the 90s?

and when did Yahoo decide that IE is good, where they not a Netscape company not that long ago?

but we all know that lynx is where it's at right.

Well, duh! (1)

tao (10867) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092854)

I got the invitation to download IE7 when running Firefox on a Mac, and even when running IE5 under CrossOver; but not when running IE7 under Parallels.

Uhm, no, did you really expect to get an invitation to download IE7 if you were already running IE7?!

THIS IS GOATSEX (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17092856)

and the BazAar h4lt. Even Emacs For all practical up today! If you

It seems to have stopped maybe (1)

rdean400 (322321) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092946)

I just ran some searches and it's not doing it any more.

However, I did notice it doing that every time I accessed Yahoo using Firefox. I waited until I saw their actual advertisement version, clicked the "Ad Feedback" button, and told them what I thought about being asked to switch browsers.

I think it's a good thing to show the ad to IE 6- users on Windows, but it doesn't make sense anywhere else.

I'd download IE7, if not for my pirated Windows :) (0, Offtopic)

moogs (1003361) | more than 7 years ago | (#17092948)

yeah.. damn those genuine advantage..
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