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New iMac Rolled Out

Hemos posted about 15 years ago | from the and-with-new-flavours dept.

Apple 355

Ivo writes "Apple just announced a new iMac. The base model starts at $999, and the $1499 model has built-in firewire and DVD. More at Apple's website " Three different models (no fan, better graphics and sub-woofer), and the commercials are online.

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Desktop Movie Making. (3)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1636952)

One cheap box with everything you need to make and edit home movies except the digital camcorder, and it's easy to use? There's been demand for that for a long time. Too bad Microsoft has been too busy making NT pretty to provide any leadership in that kind of thing.

As fruity as always... (2)

.pentai. (37595) | about 15 years ago | (#1636955)

Wow, gotta love those fruity (literally) colors...I was kinda hoping they'd abolish that...oh well :)

Anyways, they seem to be semi powerful when you think about it...Firewire and DVD would make one worth buying, if some good OS supported them...but a lack of DVD Support in Linux (only other PPC OS that I can think of) sucks

HK speakers? (1)

TheKodiak (79167) | about 15 years ago | (#1636959)

That's pretty cool for iMac - seems a weird decision for HK, though.

Actually its $1299 for the DV edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1636963)

1499 gets the DV special edition.

actually... (1)

ngm (94150) | about 15 years ago | (#1636964)

FireWire and DVD are available on the $1299 model as well... Pretty nice deal I think. -n

$1299 Model also has DVD and Firewire. (2)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1636967)

To go from $1299 to $1499 you add 64MB more RAM, 3 GB more HD and the graphite color, but all of the iMacs except the base model come with DVD and Firewire.

hmmm.. first post (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637061)

does this mean that there's going to be a new iBrator? http://www.ibrator.com/

gotta love the benchmarks! (2)

arthurs_sidekick (41708) | about 15 years ago | (#1637066)

Performance Comparisons Processor Performance iMac 400MHz PowerPC G3 13.1 iMac 350MHz PowerPC G3 11.5 Pentium III-based PC 550 MHz 7.4 Celeron-based PC 500 MHz 6.7 K6-2-based PC 400 MHz 5.5

Oh, yes, certainly the new iMac is 2.5x faster at everything than the K6-2 400. These marketroids must be stopped!

And, I dunno about graphics boards, but they compared the iMac's Rage 128 to a Rage Pro Turbo-equipped Celeron system ... how meaningful is that?

Note: this post should not be taken as an endorsement of the inherent superiority of the x86 architecture to that of the PPC -- I just hate these misleading benchmarks.

Bah (1)

AngryMob (89923) | about 15 years ago | (#1637069)

I fail to understand how these machines can continue to lack any sort of removable media without Apple pushing any new alternatives. I would appreciate the idea of iMacs as 'network machines' much more if they were actually efficient at it. I'm just totally flabbergasted that they continue this policy when it doesn't have any clear benefit...

Cool... (2)

cdmoyer (86798) | about 15 years ago | (#1637073)

The question now is, how cheap are you going to be able to get the old iMacs for. If these are only $999-$1499, the older models should be downright cheap!
I don't know to much about Mac's, but if the older version will run Linux... they are going to make, some great, cheap X terminals... One in the Kitchen, one in the Living room to server up MP3's, one in the bedroom as an Alarm clock... Cool!

Re:Fruity little things.. (1)

Overt Coward (19347) | about 15 years ago | (#1637077)

(ob. disclaimer: this isn't a flame...)

Why is a floppy drive a necessity? I can see some people using it to sneakernet small files around still, but with being able to boot off of CD-ROM for recovery, I can't think of anything else I'd use it for.

Gimme a USB/Firewire zip drive or a CD-RW and I'd be much happier. Hell, I'd rather just tansfer files via the network. My current laptop PC has a built-in CD and an external floppy -- because I use the CD far moe often than the floppy.

If not including the floppy saves $X for those who don't use it, great! If you do use it, isn't there a USB/Firewire floppy accessory?


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OS9 for first new iMac's? (2)

occam (20826) | about 15 years ago | (#1637084)

Not according to the Apple Store hotline. The new iMacs don't require OS9, and will ship with 8.6 until OS9 releases. One rep told me late October OS9 release. Another said unknown and the only way to be sure was to wait for OS9 release and order then.

Funny thing is... when I tried to order a new iMac, it told me 20 day wait... which would be late October!

Anyone know the real answer to whether the new iMac will immediately ship with OS9 (or must we wait)?

Interresting Comparisons (1)

Passman (6129) | about 15 years ago | (#1637086)

Does anyone else find it strange that Apple chose to compare their high end graphics system (Rage 128 VR) against one of the cheapest graphic chipsets in the PC market(Rage Pro Turbo). I wonder what their reasoning behind this was? This considering that the Rage 128 VR is also a PC chipset.

Also strange was that they compared thier processor to the Pentium III 550 but only a K6-2 400. Why not an equally high end K6 or an Athlon?

Re:Bah (2)

doce (31638) | about 15 years ago | (#1637089)

How much does the average (or even high end) user REALLY use removable media, aside from CDs? I haven't used a floppy disk in either my PC at home OR my Mac(s) at work in years even before the iMacs first came out. I have a built in Zip drive in my Blue G3 at work, but I can count on one hand the number of times that I've used it.

The floppy served us well, but face it, it's DEAD. What fits on a floppy, anyway? Nothing of note, certainly. In the age of File Servers, Intranets, Extranets, and Internets, re-writable removable media isn't all that necesary.

Our advertising agency does virtually ALL media delivery electronically through AP AdSend or Wam!Net, with a smidgeon of ISDN running around, and all intra-office file sharing is accomplished through our file servers.

All hail the benevolent Floppy! Her years were long, hard, and well served... but her day is gone.

Re:Fruity little things.. (1)

breslin (41683) | about 15 years ago | (#1637098)

I agree with your point, but you are looking @ things from a PC/Linux/x86 standpoint. Macs don't need to boot from floppies, ever. So there true use is dwindling.

Maybe apple can add CDRW capability later, but for the majority of iMac owners, the largest file they'd transfer would be 100k (word documents.. nugh said), which can be emailed, ftped, or sent via a variety of messaging mediums within a matter of seconds on a measly 56k.

You made a good point nonetheless.

Re:$1299 Model also has DVD and Firewire. (1)

King Babar (19862) | about 15 years ago | (#1637101)

To go from $1299 to $1499 you add 64MB more RAM, 3 GB more HD and the graphite color, but all of the iMacs except the base model come with DVD and Firewire.

You also get a free cable to hook your digital video camera into your iMac. Actually, given the recent horrificly high price of DRAM, the $1499 model looks like a really good deal.

The only problem I see is that you have to spend extra for your Airport, and it's not clear that to me that Linux will run on it, yet...

New iMacs (3)

Morchella (18055) | about 15 years ago | (#1637106)

I watched (okay listened mostly -- slow modem) to the live webcast. Jobs still knows how to manipulate a crowd. The new iMacs are impressive for what they are. The redesigned cases and reformualted colors (more translucency, and brighter (if you can imagine)) are sure to turn just as many heads as the old ones. The new sound system looks good (the sub-woofer is a $99 USB add-on (and really shows how far Apple is able to take plug & play).

These machines are all convection-cooled. No fan. That makes them quieter than anything on the market. I know a big complaint about the original iMac was how noisy its fan was. Well, the fan is out. (just don't plan on overclocking any of these new iMacs).

The top-end iMac ($1499) features digital video editing and authoring software built-in, as well as FireWire (the only iMac to have it).

Upgrading the new iMacs should also be easier, thanks to a swing-down door which gives direct access to the memory and airport card slots.

But the thing to remember is that this is still a machine sqaurely targeted at the computer/illiterate/phobic. Slashdotters in general need not apply. Might make one heck of a Linux box, though ;-)

iBook failure? (3)

Millennium (2451) | about 15 years ago | (#1637108)

How can you possibly judge something to be a failure when it hasn't even been available for a month yet? The only failure I've seen on Apple's part concerning the iBook is the failure to make as many iBooks as people are buying... that's hardly a failure on the iBook's part (if anything it's a great success for the iBook).

Beo... (0)

NickGully (96491) | about 15 years ago | (#1637113)

Wouldn't these make the cutest beowulf cluster? -Nick OW OW OW stop flaming me!

Re:$1299 Model also has DVD and Firewire. (1)

King Babar (19862) | about 15 years ago | (#1637115)

To go from $1299 to $1499 you add 64MB more RAM, 3 GB more HD and the graphite color, but all of the iMacs except the base model come with DVD and Firewire.

You also get a free cable to hook your digital video camera into your iMac. Actually, given the recent huge rise in the price of DRAM, the $1499 model looks like a really good deal.

The only problem I see is that you have to spend extra for your Airport, and it's not clear that to me that Linux will run on it, yet...

King Babar

Please don't hold your breath.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637118)

You might wind up as blue as that Imac and the 5000 other people who said (insert random apple product) is Apple's's last gasp over the last 10 years.

Re:As fruity as always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637121)

I certianly hope you don't think that windows (98/NT) is a "good" OS.

Re:Interresting Comparisons (1)

kijiki (16916) | about 15 years ago | (#1637127)

Everyone with 1/10 of a clue knows that all vendor (especially apple) provided benchmarks are just a twist of words away from outright lies. There really isn't much point complaining about it. Would you trust the claims of a used car salesman, or would you test drive the car? It works out OK, since the only people who believe this tripe don't need much computing power anyway.

15 Inch CRT (1)

GraemeL (30045) | about 15 years ago | (#1637129)

They spout out a lot of impressive lie^H^H^Hbenchmarks on processor and games performance. Then they hit you with a 15" monitor.

Last time I used a 15" CRT was about 4 years ago. Even a 17" display seems small these days.

You'll take my 21" Trinitron from me, when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Re:Fruity little things.. (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637131)

Slashdot's obligatory "no floppy" post. Somebody always has to pop up with that anytime Apple is mentioned.

I guess you could also make a Beowolf cluster of new iMacs that would be fast enough to get you the first post so you could complain about the moderation and remind everyone how much Linux roolz.

Re:Bah (2)

MouseR (3264) | about 15 years ago | (#1637136)

I have first hand experience with iMacs as NCs. Our iMacs at the office boot faster off the net than they boot off their hard disks.

I classify that as efficient.

I haven't used my floppy drive in ages. In fact, it's so much encrusted in dust that it's probably not usable by now, unless I were to give it a really good clean up.

Be flabbergasted if you will. But more than 2 million people out there seem to think as I do that floppies are out. Just as 5inch floppies were when Apple "forcefully" ditched them for the 3inch floppies.

Re:OS9 for first new iMac's? (1)

doce (31638) | about 15 years ago | (#1637139)

Apple has traditionally offered free OS upgrades to users who purchased machines (or OS's) within about 60 days of the release of a new(er) OS. My guess would be that they'll all come with mail in vouchers for the upgrade, as they did with users who purchased OS 8.1 systems immediately before OS 8.5 was released.

Also of note... Jobs said, during the unveiling, that the iMacs had "already shipped" and would be in stores this weekend (the CompUSA rep I spoke with in Dallas told me mid-next week) and that OS 9 would ship October 23. Exact date.

Typically (with a notable exception or two) Apple's been pretty good at hitting a date when they set it. It's when they say "Um, Next Month" that they tend to slip. Coupled with the fact that OS 9 has been declared "Gold Master", I'm guessing that their ship date will be met.

Just my $0.02

if people start changing to two column webpages... (0)

georgelfoo (69185) | about 15 years ago | (#1637142)

hello moronic web designers out there...

repeat after me: a web page is not a newspaper... a web page is not a newspaper... a web page is not a newspaper...

I am annoyed at the apple page where you have to scroll down while reading three words per line and then have to scroll back up the page to read the other !@#$ column. When will people learn that the resolution and space available is nowhere that of printed material. I mean... this is apple... if anyone else did that I would be saying... well it's FOO and although FOO makes pretty good BAR's but they couldn't come up with a web pages to save their life.... but that's ok... I'll deal with it because I like BAR's... however apple is supposed to have some people on staff that concentrate on UI... right???

No fan? (2)

DragonHawk (21256) | about 15 years ago | (#1637143)

...and no fan. That's right: No fan. So now iMac is not just the coolest personal computer out there. It's also the quietest. (http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html [apple.com] )

This makes me worry. The new iMac is a pretty cool design from a pure hardware standpoint. But leaving out the fan might be a bad idea. Half the home-market PCs these days have heat problems with at least one, often two, fans in them. Leaving it out entirely may lead to heat-related failures down the road.

And still no floppy drive. I mean, okay, I can see that a few people don't use it, and others need more then 1.44 MB. So bundle a SuperDrive on some models, then, and have a low-end unit without the floppy if you want. But having no removable, rewritable media is still a dumb idea, IMNSHO.

What next, no keyboard? :)

Re:Fruity little things.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637145)

Don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this, but when was the last time you used a floppy for something besides x86 OS or driver installation?

$999 or is that $599 (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637147)

The iMacs have always been great consumer boxes with one of the big complaints that @ $1199 how can they compete with &lt$1K or lower wintel machines. Alot of those cheap wintel machines get that way via rebates for ISP contracts. Apple finally jumped on that bandwagon. Compuserve is offering $400 rebates [apple.com] on iMacs purchageed through J&R and CompUSA with a 2 year contract. That brings the low end model (enough for alot of consumers) down to $599, the DV down to $899 and the DV SE to $1099. That seems like an excelent pricepoint to me. Hawks (ya know, one of these days I gotta get me a /. login)

they do (1)

SideshowBob (82333) | about 15 years ago | (#1637151)

I don't know to much about Mac's, but if the older version will run Linux

they do...

The commercial photo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637157)

Did i just see a bunch of iMac behinds?

Re:iBook failure? (1)

MouseR (3264) | about 15 years ago | (#1637158)

I should probably add that the only iBook manufacturing facilities are in Taiwan.

So, the shortage of iBooks is hardly an Apple failure, but a circomstance issue.

Though, I do admitt that a lot of peoples in Cork, Ireland, must be laughing their head off. (For the ignorants, Apple closed a manufacturing plant there recently, in order to sub-contract manufacturing to a company in Taiwan)

Re:gotta love the benchmarks! - horrid ATI drivers (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637162)

Based on my experience with Matlab and Mathematica on both G3s and PII/PIIIs, I'd imagine that the iMac can keep up with the floating point power for games, but I'm sure the real reason that Apple didn't compare the iMac (Rage128) against a PC with similar graphics has to deal with the horrible ATI drivers that exist for MacOS. Even Apple and ATI have admitted that their drivers for the Rage series are not much more than patches to the RageII drivers from years ago.
Below are the files for ATI acceleration and OpenGL alone (from MacOS 9, Final Candidate 4):
ATI 3D Accelerator 4.8.4
ATI Driver Update 1.4.8
ATI Graphics Accelerator 4.6.7
ATI Resource Manager 2.0.3
ATI Video Accelerator 4.2.9
ATI Video Accelerator Update 1.0.2
OpenGLEngine 1.1.1
OpenGLLibrary 1.1.1
OpenGLMemory 1.1.1
OpenGLRenderer 1.1.1
OpenGLRendererATI 1.1.1
OpenGLUtility 1.1.1

Sickening, if you ask me.

and now: sound and graphics rule. (3)

eshefer (12336) | about 15 years ago | (#1637166)

smart desicions in the product design stage - the true reason behind Apples revival (and I don't mean Flavors) I mean strokes of briliance like dropping the ADB bus from the original Imac and sticking on USB - that way USB makers had to make drivers for iMacs (since iMac was the only platform that addopted USB in high numbers). the same tactic Apple is appling to Wireless networking (with Airport - latching on to an emarging standard early, ensuring support from thirs party manufacturers)

The new design also highlights some interesting design desicions.

The original iMac was about Industrial design and esthetics (as well as simplicity and access to the net) the new iMac is about sound quality and home digital videos.

It still remains to be seen if digital Video will become as big as Desk top publishing (which is one of the things Jobs said in his Keynote). Personaly I'm not convinced of this, the prices of Digital cam corders are still too high for it to become practicle in the consumer space, IMHO.

But the thing that Might actualy work to make the new iMac a best seller, is the sound speaker system cuppled with the DVD drive. I am kind of puzzled why they didn't debut a set of additional speakers for the full serround effect, But I'm sure some fast USB periferal maker will jump on the opertunity soon ennough.

The fact that the new machine has no fan, and is therfore persumably quite ennough to be concidered a consumer Hi-fi device is also a interesting point. now all thats missing for the collage student is a MP3 player that can get MP3 files from a remote computer using wireless networking..
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Re:New iMacs (1)

quasipunk guy (88280) | about 15 years ago | (#1637169)

You said:
The top-end iMac ($1499) features digital video editing and authoring software built-in, as well as FireWire (the only iMac to have it).

However, that is false. The $1299 iMac DV comes with FireWire and DVD, and the iMovie software. The $1499 iMac DV Special Edition features 128 MB of RAM and a larger (13GB) HD as well as FireWire and DVD. :)

Re:gotta love the benchmarks! (1)

Mr_Plow (30965) | about 15 years ago | (#1637171)

I don't know, I read some pretty souring benchmarks about the K6-2's before this. Not that you can ever trust benchmarks. And not that the K6-2 isn't a decent chip, but I've heard before that if it weren't for it's attractive price-tag, it would be an average chip.

Re:Do the arithmetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637172)

It could be even better if someone would write TCP over firewire for linux, 400 Mb/s Gigabit Ethernet is only 500 Mb/s. (should be called half gigabit)

Re:gotta love the benchmarks! (2)

Millennium (2451) | about 15 years ago | (#1637174)

Actually, it's plenty meaningful, on two levels.

Keep in mind: these benchmarks are meant to compare the iMac to other computers in its class (meaning concumer computers in this case).

Therefore, the benchmarks are revealing on two levels: first of all that this machine has the best technology in its class, and that it's faster than anything else in its class. Part of the point is that PC manufacturers tend to scrimp big time when it comes to their underpowered "consumer" models. The iMac, while it's no G4, is hardly scrimping in any aspect.

iBook failure??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637175)

iBook failure??? what crack have you been smoking? the iBook has 250,000 pre-orders by now. Apple is still trying to get out all the pre-orders! Get your facts straight. as for the comments from people about lack of scsi, and floppy drive; this is a consumer machine. It is meant for first time computer buyers, who will likely have no scsi peripherals, and who do not need any sort of removeable media. they email their files, ftp, or buy an external floppy if the REALLY need one. Thanks to Apple, a whole new generation of internet literate familes have been born. This machine makes internet use a snap. and whether you like the MacOS or not, it DOES make using the internet a piece of cake. configuring macs to be on a network is so easy. unlike wintel machines, which need to be restarted after switching TCP/IP settings.. what's the deal with that?? The iMac is meant for new users, and is not for Linux Users, or very heavy power users.. granted, it is probably not the right computer for many slash-dotters.. but that does not make it ANY less of a computer. I think that SOME slash-dotters are becoming more and more prejudices, and ignorant. just because it isnt for you does not make it crap. Nima Parivar email: nima@sweetness.com

DVD covers (2)

Ledge Kindred (82988) | about 15 years ago | (#1637178)

Heh. I wonder who's decision it was to put "A Bug's Life" by also-Jobs-run Pixar on the top of the stack of DVDs on that page. Was it someone trying to suck up to the Steve or did the Steve himself make it known that he would like it that way?

-=-=-=-=-

Re:As fruity as always...theres BEOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637181)

I believe that BEOS has DVD support?

Re:As fruity as always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637182)

No DVD or Airport support in Linux? What a lame OS...

Re:No fan? (1)

option8 (16509) | about 15 years ago | (#1637183)

This makes me worry. The new iMac is a pretty cool design from a pure hardware standpoint. But leaving out the fan might be a bad idea. Half the home-market PCs these days have heat problems with at least one, often two, fans in them. Leaving it out entirely may lead to heat-related failures down the road.

take a breath.

the powerpc in the imac is one of the coolest processors you can get in a desktop - so cool, in fact, it needs little or no modification to go into a powerbook or an ibook (which i've also read doesn't have a fan, tho i'm not so sure about that one)

the most heat is going to come from the base of the monitor, which is right at the top of the case, and surrounded by vent holes, so i doubt there will be any real heat related issues with the processor.

besides, it opens up a whole new niche for aftermarket fans.. i can see it now, 'the only processor fan/heatsink that comes in 6 translucent plastic flavors'...

Sweet, but it's missing something... (1)

eriks (31863) | about 15 years ago | (#1637184)

Hey Apple!

Put in some Video in/out ports, a huge HD or two and bundle it with a cable-box tuner (or at least IR codes for most cable boxes) and video recording software, and viola, it's your VCR, it's your MP3 player, it plays games, and you can surf the web on it, or your big TV in your living room.

These kind of features would make if worthwile for people to start putting machines like this in their living room, rather than in the office...

Apple seems to be moving slowly toward the "home electronics" market with these iMac things... why not go full-tilt?

New color (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637185)

Actually, the new "graphite" color looks great (non-fruity). As a long-time Intel bigot, I've got to admit this box looks great on paper, and for $1500 literally has everything I want. (Of course, I'd love to replace the chintzy little keyboard and mouse with a real keyboard and touchpad.)

Questions: 1) Can I really run Quake III Arena on 10 of these simultaneously over an AirPort network? 2) How long before a Linux PPC port supports all the new hardware? Heck, I'd be willing to PAY for the DVD software!

$1299's have that too (1)

jmegq (33169) | about 15 years ago | (#1637186)

> The top-end iMac ($1499) features digital video editing and authoring software built-in,
> as well as FireWire (the only iMac to have it).


The $1299 models have those features as well. The extra $200 gets you 3 more GB of hard drive and a 128 MB DIMM instead of a 64 MB (or two 64 MB's, which costs $140 more on these models). And given, say, thechipmerchant [thechipmerchant.com] 's current prices, that's not a bad deal.

BTW, the notion that /.'ers aren't interested int he iMac is lame. I love my Linux (x86 and ppc) for Unix and programming, but MacOS is still way, way ahead on DTP/DV. Mix 'em and match 'em.

Re:No fan? (1)

marmoset (3738) | about 15 years ago | (#1637187)

You're comparing apples and oranges (ow ow sorry!) I mean x86 boxes and Macs. Don't forget how cool the G3 series chips run (they produce ~40% less heat at a given clock speed, IIRC)

I'll spare you any comment on the floppy issue. Suffice to say I can't remember the last time I used the floppy drive on my Mac for anything (honestly!)

Re:No fan? (1)

doce (31638) | about 15 years ago | (#1637188)

This makes me worry. The new iMac is a pretty cool design from a pure hardware standpoint. But leaving out the fan might be a bad idea.

All things aside... the home-market PCs you refer to are Pentium II/III machines in clunky beige cases with one vent port at the back (which, in MY house, is up next to a wall, which makes it that much less efficient). The entire Pentium line can, at best, be described as heat-inefficient, as well. Many G3's these days don't even require heat sinks, and the high end G3's require sinks similar to what you find on a mid-ranged Socket-7 processor.

Compare to the heaping mass aluminum heat sink on the Pentium II that I'm using at the current moment. In dissipating more heat away from the processor, you're releasing more heat to the air... then you have to move the air.....

again, just my $0.02

Re:15 Inch CRT (1)

lamour (49437) | about 15 years ago | (#1637189)

21" monitor...bah! How can you accept anything less than dual 24" displays? Come back when you have real needs. ;-)

Re:... (3)

Mister Attack (95347) | about 15 years ago | (#1637190)

At risk of getting moderated as flamebait, I'm going to strongly disagree with this one. Here goes...

Oh boy! More fruity goodness from the same people that brought you AppleTalk! *grumble*

Good Lord! We know AppleTalk sucked, but that's a many-year-old technology. You would have done better to say "Oh Boy! More fruity goodness from the same people that brought you FireWire!"

Fact is, Apple's been producing lots of exciting new technologies that go way beyond the "sexy look," as you so aptly put it. The sexy look is just Apple's way of catching your attention so you'll take a closer look and (hopefully) say "hey! this looks like a really good deal! I want one!"

As for something better than a "translucent port-a-potty," why don't you have a look at the new G4's? In addition to a really cool industrial design, the G4 Macs are really fast and (finally!) competitively priced! The Programming Board at Dartmouth* has one or two of these, and they're just incredible. Now, if I can just get them to install LinuxPPC...

The point is, Apple's come a long way, and they have a lot more to offer than bright colors. I can't wait for the 1Ghz copper G4's!

*As always, my opinions are my own, and not necessarily those of Dartmouth College or any affiliated organization.

Re:15 Inch CRT (1)

TWR (16835) | about 15 years ago | (#1637191)

They spout out a lot of impressive lie^H^H^Hbenchmarks on processor and games performance. Then they hit you with a 15" monitor.

There's a VGA-out for mirroring the internal display on the DV models (the $1299 one and the $1499 one). It's not clear if you can disable the internal screen and use the external screen at higher resolutions than 1024x768.

-jon

Re:Actually its $1299 for the DV edition (1)

Saxton (34078) | about 15 years ago | (#1637192)

$1299 gets the iMac DV
$1499 gets the DV *special* Edition


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Uh, it's got a USB port... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637193)

If you really must, then buy a USB floppy or zip drive. Me, I do most of my backups over the network anyway, in which case only ONE MACHINE on the network really needs to have removable media.

Don't count on it. (1)

Molz (87066) | about 15 years ago | (#1637194)

I sencerly doubt it... apple has a love hate relation ship with linux...they support it but only sometiems and never fully. I am still trying to get everything working totaly on my Beige G3 with LinuxPPC. got most of it working but somethigns still work better under mac os than linux, atleast on the powerpc. I love the hardware though and i use both os's so its ok.

i have a question (1)

miahrogers (34176) | about 15 years ago | (#1637195)

Why is intel marketing a 64bit 700mhz plus cpu at INTERNET access? And why is apple marketing a cpu that can do about 800(intel style)mhz as an INTERNET computer? Don't people know that a 266mhz amd k6(like mine) will do just about everything under the sun (except Quake 3)? I can't belive they can actually get away with marketing monstor machines for something as trivial as websurfing.
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Re:As fruity as always... (1)

Mister Attack (95347) | about 15 years ago | (#1637196)

Anyways, they seem to be semi powerful when you think about it...Firewire and DVD would make one worth buying, if some good OS supported them...but a lack of DVD Support in Linux (only other PPC OS that I can think of) sucks 1) BeOs supports DVD (I'm almost certain)

2) It can't be long before there's DVD suport in LinuxPPC. Come on, it's Linux! Things happen fast in Linux. Give it a month or two, then buy your DVD-equipped iMac and run Linux to your heart's content.

Maybe (1)

Don Negro (1069) | about 15 years ago | (#1637197)

If there is actually a second video chipset, you should be able to. One of the things that the MacOS excels at is dual monitor support at multiple resolutions.

What's so bad about color?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637198)

Jesus! Everyone seems to be complaining about CHOICE. C-H-O-I-C-E. That's what it's about. If I want a rasberry flavored computer why can't they be available? Does everything have to be graphite and black and beige? Everyone's always talking about that "corporate" look. Step inside of most ad agencies and you'll see colorful walls and bold Italian furniture. Having a colorful computer can be cool if it fits the scheme of your office. Heck, speckling your office with multiple colors isn't so bad. It's actually kind of nice on the eyes.

What fits on a floppy, anyway? (2)

Gleef (86) | about 15 years ago | (#1637199)

Tomsrtbt [toms.net] fits on a floppy. :-)

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Re:and now: sound and graphics rule. (1)

TWR (16835) | about 15 years ago | (#1637200)

I am kind of puzzled why they didn't debut a set of additional speakers for the full serround effect, But I'm sure some fast USB periferal maker will jump on the opertunity soon ennough.

Check out This site. It looks like there are plenty more speakers from H/K.

-jon

Re:$1299 Model also has DVD and Firewire. (1)

miahrogers (34176) | about 15 years ago | (#1637201)

Actually, given the recent horrificly high
price of DRAM, the $1499 model looks like a really good deal.


what the heck are you talking about? I just bought a 128meg chip for 96 bucks off ebay. Or is there special MAC dram?
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Re:Desktop Movie Making. (1)

um... Lucas (13147) | about 15 years ago | (#1637202)

Since when has Microsoft provided one iota of leadership on any front? They give it lip service, but no more than that. If they see that people are actually using the capabilities of these machines, they'll probably band together with intel and form an initiative for consumer based windows pc with multimedia features that will insist that all pc's conforming to the spec be equipped with USB, Firewire, DVD, no internal expansion, and an integrated monitor.

Guess what? That spec's here... it's the iMac.

Not to sound like a Mac Zealot (TM) or anthing, but it's the truth. Plus, i love these machines, and will probably end up with the graphite model in the next month or two. Yipee! :)

Re:and now: sound and graphics rule. (1)

TWR (16835) | about 15 years ago | (#1637203)

I am kind of puzzled why they didn't debut a set of additional speakers for the full serround effect, But I'm sure some fast USB periferal maker will jump on the opertunity soon ennough.

Check out This site [apple.com] . It looks like there are plenty more speakers from H/K.

-jon

Re:Bah (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637204)

You can get a Zip drive, an Imation Superdisk or a DVD-RAM built into any PowerMac.

You can get Firewire CD-RW, DVD-RAM, ORB, DAT and a couple of other types of tape drive, as well as full-sized and portable-sized hard drives. They'll work on any PowerMac and on the new iMac DV, or on a PowerBook with a PC Card.

You can get Zip drives, Superdisk, CD-RW or hard drives in USB that will work on any current or recent Mac.

All of the above external drives hotplug and most don't even require any driver software on top of what's already in the OS. Plus, all Macs have built-in 10/100 Ethernet and 56k modems.

I have an 18 GB Firewire hard drive that I routinely pack full of digital audio and video and take to another location and hotplug right into another Mac and resume working. The thing weighs a kg or so and cost a few hundred dollars. THAT's removable storage. (And you can boot from it.)

Macs can also mount floppy disk images as if they were floppy drives, so old stuff is easily transferred to a hard drive with a borrowed USB floppy or on an older Mac with a floppy drive.

What other alternatives do you need?

What about the video out??? (1)

weekie (17342) | about 15 years ago | (#1637205)

I think Apple finally included either composite video out or VGA out so you can drive that 21 inch display.

-Signed Me

Re: columns (1)

jmegq (33169) | about 15 years ago | (#1637206)

I for one think they make great pages. I can't stand reading things that go waaay across the page and only take up three lines with 256 characters per line. Perhaps you're reading it at 48pt.

Speaking of column, seen suck.com [suck.com] lately?

Slot load CD/DVD, USB, Fan Comments (2)

EverCode (60025) | about 15 years ago | (#1637207)

How about the slot load DC/DVD a la a car stereo CD player? Maybe more to break? Awe, no more drink holder jokes...

Apple is still obviously trying to drive the USB accessory market by still offering that crappy keyboard and mouse, along with the lack of removeable media. I think they are smart for doing it. The Wintel market is sure not doing much for USB. USB should have taken over already, but it hasn't, except for Apple machines.

The iMac needs no fan because the PowerPC runs so cool. It is a good chip design, and I wish my computer made no noise. Then I could leave it on without disturbing my sleep.

The ass shots of the iMac are kinda funny looking, check them out at Apple's site. Their product marketing has gone too far with that one.

EC

Re:That video editing app looks sweet. (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637208)

I thought Sony had one? Or it might have been a digital camcorder that also had a still mode where it captured a single non-interlaced frame at a time.

Re:No fan? (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 15 years ago | (#1637209)

The home PC's on the market with heat problems are x86's with big power consumption and CPU fans. Such things don't exist in the Mac world unless you are messing with overclocking. PPC cpus are just much more power efficient. It's a big deal, ESPECIALLY on portables where the PPC architecture has it all over the x86.

As far as the floppy drives are concerned - the market has spoken - Apple is selling millions of iMacs without floppy drives.

Re:Bah (1)

larkost (79011) | about 15 years ago | (#1637210)

This would be an important note on a PC, but since Mac Users have gotten used to being able to boot off a almost-completely-funcitonal copy of the OS on a CD-ROM (ever since CD-ROM came out for the Mac...), the most important function of a floppy in the PC world, boot disks, is moot on the Mac side.
Tom's Boot disk is a PC-Only nessecity! The function of sneaker-net is the other reason to have a floppy drive, mostly for e-mail purposes, but even those days are over with IMAP, and network sharing, any computer with email can get to network drives....
The days of sub-Gigabyte removable storage are gone, let them rest in pease!

Re:15 Inch CRT (1)

Pudding (9094) | about 15 years ago | (#1637211)

Last time I used a 15" CRT was about 4 years ago. Even a 17" display seems small these days.

Although I don't see how this is relevant when this machine is targeted towards a very specific market segment, I'll still make a small comment.

How about the Cinema Display [apple.com] Apple makes? 22 inches diagonal widescreen, with the display space of a 24 inch CRT?

Don't compare things that shouldn't be. It makes little sense.

Graphite iMac (1)

fremen (33537) | about 15 years ago | (#1637212)

The Graphite iMac is CLEAR. That's really cool, but it leaves me with one question. How in the world do you shield that thing? It just seems like a really bad idea to have an unshielded CRT hanging out in the open like that. It seems like the current iMacs do have a small amount of shielding around the unit, so why not this one?

Re:iBook failure? (1)

DougLandry (27581) | about 15 years ago | (#1637213)

Over 200,000 iBooks have been preordered and the product is now shipping to customers. How is that a failure? The old iMac was available for 13 months and sold over 2 million units. The iBook has only been available for *preorder* since July 21st, and has sold 200,000 units. How can that possibly be a failure?

Old iMac price breaks (1)

Wise Dragon (71071) | about 15 years ago | (#1637214)

deal-mac [dealmac.com] is reporting 10,000 old iMacs still in the channel. They would be the place to check if you want one.

Re:$1299 Model also has DVD and Firewire. (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637215)

> what the heck are you talking about?
> I just bought a 128meg chip for 96 bucks
> off ebay. Or is there special MAC dram?

It's the same RAM, but you could buy a 128MB PC100 DIMM brand new for $90 a few months ago (I bought two). New, that part goes for about $160 minimum right now.

Re:Steve Jobs=Used Car Salesman (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 15 years ago | (#1637216)

Give me a break. When you sell millions of machines per year you are always going to get a few that slip into the cracks. Comprehensive surveys like JD Power always rate Apple service and support very highly.

As far as speed goes, how the hell can you make a statement like that? The results are so dependent on what application is used that the only thing you can say for sure is that if you want to run MS Office, stick with Windows (big surprise).

Re:gotta love the benchmarks! - horrid ATI drivers (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637217)

Yes, the drivers that shipped with my Yosemite G3 were a piece of shit. After installing the first driver update, my machine was rock solid stable, but before that it crashed a few times a week.

Re:if people start changing to two column webpages (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637218)

Actually- I don't believe that anyone at Apple designed the website. As with any company who actually wants to focus on making cool stuff, they leave the website design to other media companies to fight over- I believe the designers of Apple's site were from Sapient (formerly Studio Archetype) and if you ask me, they're pretty damn good- Nintendo, IBM, AmEx- some pretty good design. But if you want to bitch about someone for that design- I suggest you see them- http://www.sapient.com

Re:... (2)

Saxton (34078) | about 15 years ago | (#1637219)

please remember that Apple didn't create FireWire, they didn't create USB, they didn't create the G4, they didn't create the CODECs which power QuickTime, etc etc etc... don't give them too much credit now. =)
Also, us nerds should know that the reason they are fruity isn't to impress us. It's to impress the dumb american computer illertate consumer. To make it an appliance to them, and to make it look less intimidating.
iMacs have nothing to do with us. The G4 Professional on the other hand... =)


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That video editing app looks sweet. (1)

jcr (53032) | about 15 years ago | (#1637220)

Drag and drop re-arrangement of the shots? Cool. I haven't touched an AVID system in many years, but I don't remember it being this easy to use.

Now if someone would just bring out a firewire camera, we'd be all set. (Note that I said Camera, not Camcorder. Who needs the tape drive if we've got firewire disks available?)

-jcr


Re:Cool... (1)

Matthew Weigel (888) | about 15 years ago | (#1637221)

Except, of course, that real X terminals are cheaper... just not as cool looking :)

Re:No fan? (2)

arodrig6 (22052) | about 15 years ago | (#1637222)

But leaving out the fan might be a bad idea. Half the home-market PCs these days have heat problems with at least one, often two, fans in them.

This is because other than macs all home-market PCs use x86 processors which run MUCH hotter than PPC chips.

according to http://infopad.eecs.berkeley.edu/CIC/summary/local /
A PPC G3 typically draws something like 3-6 watts
a PII something like 7-8 with peaks well above 18
A K6-III draws something around 12 typically.

from personal experince, I have been almost burnt by touching an x86 chip -after the computer has been off for a minute or two. With one of the G3s, you can easily open the case and touch the heatsink while the computer is running and feel only mild warmth.

Also, most PCs come in cases which were not well designed for anything other than being a rectangle. If done properly, convection can be amasingly powerful (If I recall my Tom Clancy, the US Navy uses coolant convection as the primary coolant for its Nuclear reactors on modern subs)

In sum, the convection thing may work quite well.

So bundle a SuperDrive on some models, then, and have a low-end unit without the floppy if you want.

IMHO, the iMac IS the low-end unit. some 2+ million people apparently get along without the floppy, so I think this was a good choice on apple's part.

They're touting the *audio*?! (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | about 15 years ago | (#1637223)

Call me skeptical, but I firmly refuse to believe that you could shove anything into a space as small as the speaker ports on an iMac and have it sound good. Apple apparently disagrees with me, though, saying it "stands the world of PC sound on its ear."

On one of the pages, they describe the audio system as having "bass performance normally heard only in $50,000 automobiles." Who here uses car stereo technology as a yardstick for audio quality? Then again, who uses SPEC marks as a yardstick for computer quality? Oh, wait, never mind.

Oh, well. Typical market-speak from Apple. This is about par for the course, I guess.

- A.P.
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"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad

Re:DVD covers (1)

Saxton (34078) | about 15 years ago | (#1637224)

When I was at Seybold, San Fran last month, Steve Jobs and Apple kept poking hints at *how good* Pixar's Toy Story 2 is going to be... and on the floor of the Seybold Seminar, where they unveiled the new G4s, they had a QuickTime demo video on them all...and what did they choose? The trailer for Pixar's Toy Story 2... blah.

Just as long as they don't start talking about mergers like everyone else is doing...


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Re:OS9 for first new iMac's? (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637225)

I think it was AppleInsider that reported that Mac OS 9 went GM just in time for them to put it on the new iMacs, even though many had already been produced and had 8.6 on them. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. You get 9 for the cost of the media and shipping and handling ($19.99) if you get one with 8.6 now.

The 8.6 that was going to be on them was sort of an 8.6+ with some parts of 9 that the thing requires because of the new motherboards, so I think they were anxious to get 9 on there.

Re:... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637227)

I'll try to make this short and as nicely as I possibly can.

This isn't just about colour. It's about easy of use and simplicity. Sure the colour and the design is attractive, but the pinnacle of the Mac has always been the ease of use, and it still is. And the iMac is alla bout that.

Only now is the iMac getting more technically respective, but with bells and whistles like FireWire, low-noise (no fan) etc. it rules.

And remember: The imac isn't for nerds.

Re:No fan?--> G3's Run very cold (1)

Carl C-M (3168) | about 15 years ago | (#1637230)

Remember that your typical G3 uses something like 5 Watts while a comparable Pentium processor uses more like 40. I think is great they can get away with fewer moving parts and I strongly doubt they will have heat related problems in the future.

-ccm

Re:15 Inch CRT (1)

GraemeL (30045) | about 15 years ago | (#1637231)

Hm, I did miss the VGA out port. However, the design of the machine doesn't exactly facilitate it's use. There probably isn't room on your desk for both an iMac and a large display. If you put the iMac on the floor, you struggle to reach the DVD drive.

Re:Linux (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 15 years ago | (#1637239)

If it weren't for the first post b.s. I would have moderated you up for being funny.

Re:... (1)

Mister Attack (95347) | about 15 years ago | (#1637240)

Actually, I'm _almost_ certain that FireWire was, in fact, created by Apple. I'm not _entirely_ certain, but almost.

Re:DVD covers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637241)

A Bug's Life is included free with each DVD iMac

Re:As fruity as always... (1)

darkrose (84919) | about 15 years ago | (#1637242)

What's so awful about having different colored computers? Fact is, the only thing I'd change about my Rev. A iMac (besides having a G4 instead of a G3 inside) would have been to make it purple. I like having a machine that is aesthetically pleasing, especially since my computer room is also my living room.

Re:Bah (1)

dirk (87083) | about 15 years ago | (#1637243)

I would agree about it not having a floppy if it was a PC, but for a MAC the floppy is basically obsolete. Anything of worth is to big to fit on a simple floppy. The real use of floppies on PC's is for booting from them (and that will soon be gone with bootable CD's. MAC were never able to boot from a floppy, so by taking it away the only thing they're lost is the ability to store small files off the hard drive (which wasn't utilized that much anyway). Me, I'd prefer a floppy, but that's more for booting then for anything else.

Re:This is the end of Apple (1)

gig (78408) | about 15 years ago | (#1637244)

Failure? It's been out two weeks and they've sold 250,000 of them. How is that a failure?

You're just trolling.

Re:Interresting Comparisons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1637245)

They compare the ATI 128 with the Rage Pro because a lot of Celeron PC come with the Rage Pro not the 128... The benchmarks are stupid but it's based on BYTEMARKS which were heavily used by Intel some years ago...

Re:As fruity as always... (1)

Matthew Weigel (888) | about 15 years ago | (#1637247)

1) BeOS supports DVD (I'm almost certain)
Great. Now try to run BeOS on a PowerMac G3 :(

Re:The commercial photo... (1)

Indomitus (578) | about 15 years ago | (#1637250)

That's the first thing I thought when the first image on the page popped up. Yikes, iAsses.

This post meant to be Funny, not Offtopic :).

Re:Fruity little things.. (1)

victim (30647) | about 15 years ago | (#1637251)

At the risk of injecting a fact...

I've been using a pair of iMacs for just over a year now. Only once have I had any use at all for a floppy, and that was because someone carried a document in for me to print. Good ridance to the floppy.

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