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Sony, Nintendo Announce 'Fixes' For Their Consoles

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the getting-the-kinks-out dept.

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Gamasutra reports that both Nintendo and Sony still have a few kinks to work out from their newly launched systems. It may seem funny to an onlooker, but the spectacular Wii strap blowouts are being taken very seriously by Nintendo. People are evidently 'even more excited' by playing the little white console than the company anticipated, and they're investigating the possibility that the straps aren't strong enough. Meanwhile, Sony has updated the PS3's firmware to 1.30 in an effort to take care of the much-complained-about resolution scaling issues. Ars Technica (and several other sites) are saying that the fix doesn't really do anything, despite Sony's reassurances. From that article: "The priority of resolutions has been changed, putting 1080i over 720p. So if you prefer 720p as a resolution, be sure to uncheck 1080i as a possible resolution on your television, or else games that support both resolutions will automatically display at 1080i. Of course, if you uncheck 1080i as a resolution, your Blu-ray movies will display at 480p. So you'll have to just manually switch the resolution yourself depending on what you're doing ... If you have a 720p set, not only has Sony not fixed the scaling issues, they've made the process of playing games and watching movies less user friendly. Sony really wants you to upgrade into a 1080p set, and they seem to want to punish you if you don't have one."

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foobar (2, Funny)

jrwr00 (1035020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151394)

i can understand the Wii's prob, but wow, the PS3 is having some high-def issues here

Re:foobar (5, Insightful)

dj961 (660026) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151812)

Welcome to the world of console gaming, now with patches.

Re:foobar (4, Insightful)

payndz (589033) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152186)

This is something I seriously don't get about the latest generation of consoles. Every previous generation, one of the plus points was that once you buy the console, that's it - everything Just Works (tm Apple). Now the first thing you have to do when you switch on is download patches? WTF?

How long before the first console game that requires patches just to get rid of all the v1.0 gameplay bugs?

Re:foobar (2, Informative)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152488)

Gears Of War required a patch on release day.

HTH
HAND

Cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152974)

This is something I seriously don't get about the latest generation of consoles. Every previous generation, one of the plus points was that once you buy the console, that's it - everything Just Works (tm Apple). Now the first thing you have to do when you switch on is download patches? WTF?

It's cheaper to make any application like this. You don't have to do quite as much testing because it doesn't have to be perfect first time. It just has to be Good Enough. Some bugs are very expensive to eliminate by testing alone because a large amount of test effort is required to expose them. And now that consoles are normally connected to a network, these bugs can be found by "distributed testing", i.e. actual use of the product.

In effect, some of the test cost has been passed on to you, the customer. What do you get in return? A cheaper game? A better game (after patching)? Hmm... unlikely. What you get is a game disc that isn't complete, and an extra requirement to provide your console with an Internet connection. Not really a great deal.

Re:foobar (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153526)

The increase in console bugginess correlates with the increase in complexity of the hardware, making development more difficult. Due to Wii's "simpler" hardware, this is actually an advantage for Nintendo, though the odd bug or two will still creep in to large games like Zelda.

Re:foobar (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153668)

The closer these things get to PC hardware, the more patches they'll need, pure and simple.

Re:foobar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17153166)

That's something that's concerned me with the new consoles. One of the things that was always nice about them is the fact that you were pretty much guaranteed to get a bug free product as it would go through considerably more testing, because once it was released it was pretty much a done-deal. Now they have less incentive to hold back a title that's not quite ready.

Sony... (5, Funny)

Mysteerie (972719) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151398)

Sony, fix the price first!

Re:Sony... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17151842)

Sony, fix the price first!

Yes, jappers, please follow the example of the beloved Microsoft-corporation and make a loss with every sold console instead of profit so Mysteerie's mommy can buy her a PS3 for her basement, please.

Re:Sony... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152116)

You misspelled 'Ebay'

Which, if anything, demonstrates that Sony got the price right.

Re:Sony... (5, Funny)

DotWarner (56614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152124)

Yeah, Sony, fix the price! You've already got all that experience doing it in the music industry, so it should be easy!

Re:Sony... (2, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152626)

If they sold out on the first day, then the price wasn't too high...They probably could have sold them at cost on day 1, and still sold out at the same speed.

I think they're gambling that the hardcore, early adoption crowd will keep buying until they've sold enough to be able to lower the price, and there is no guarantee that they're wrong.

Re:Sony... (1)

sulfur_lad (964486) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153086)

they sold out the first day and they're selling on eBay for more. That just says to me there's a lot of numpties out there, but I digress. Every time I read something like this about Sony, I just get the Price is Right "you just lost, hahaha" jingle going through my head. It's like a sitcom with those morons. As a later post says however, Nintendo really is taking the high-road on this.

Re:Sony... (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153278)

Just because Supply and Demand don't always make sense, doesn't make the relationship any less real. The eBay sales are proof that, based on demand, the price wasn't near high enough, and there is nothing immoral about Sony charging what the market will bear...Not like there isn't cheaper competition.

Now, you may say that people who pay thousands of dollars for a game console are ridiculous, but people have been paying a hell of a lot more than that for gaming computers for years, and if you view the PS3 as a midrange gaming computer, it's dirt cheap.

Heh. I sound like a Sony fanboi...I have zero plans to buy a PS3/360/Wii any time soon, I just think they're taking way the hell too much flak for a price point that is selling out. That should be the goal for any company.

"even more excited" (3, Interesting)

Threni (635302) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151422)

Nintendo may call it "even more excited", but the UK Sale Of Goods Act calls it "not fit for the purpose intended" and would entitle the consumer to their money back from the retailer. So yes, better to get it sorted.

Re:"even more excited" (1)

schnooka_boy (1023007) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151678)

Yeah, I'm personally surprised there hasn't been any lawsuits over this, as people are known to have broken their televisions because of them.

It's time to stop the lawsuits (5, Informative)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151886)

There's a warning screen before each game to tightly grip the Wiimote. I wouldn't blame Nintendo for my inability to grip an object. On a related note, society on the whole is far to sue happy and I'm of the opinion that they should institute a mandatory penalty for bringing frivolous law suits.

MOD PARENT UP (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17151970)

Suggesting that Nintendo needs to be sued because people misuse the product, to a degree far enough beyond sensibility that it is almost laughable, makes me want to suggest suing microwave manufacturers because microwaving a baby makes a real mess.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153326)

Gamers aren't misusing the product when they swing the remote control around. It's what you're supposed to do with the thing. Nintendo has been very adament about using the seatbelts provided with the controller, but the seatbelts break anyways and take out thousand dollar TVs with them. I'm not sure why you're laughing.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (5, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153656)

Nintendo has been very adament about using the seatbelts provided with the controller, but the seatbelts break anyways and take out thousand dollar TVs with them. I'm not sure why you're laughing.

I don't know why the other guy is laughing, but I'M laughing at the dopes with broken thousand-dollar TV's because they somehow thought that the motor skills they developed as toddlers were no longer applicable.

If you do not maintain a grip on an object in your hand, it will not stay in your hand. The wrist lanyard was never intended to be a primary restraint.

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152180)

Sterilization?

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152364)

what about repeat offenders?

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152678)

Sterilization...Casino Royale style.

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (2, Funny)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152244)

On a related note, society on the whole is far to sue happy and I'm of the opinion that they should institute a mandatory penalty for bringing frivolous law suits.

How dare you insinuate I'm sue happy... you'll be hearing from my lawyer.

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (0, Redundant)

bearl (589272) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152330)

I propose a warning message that should be displayed prominently in all public locations, and perhaps run as a PSA on television several times a day:

WARNING: There are things in the world that can hurt you. Be careful.

Re:It's time to stop the lawsuits (1)

MS-06FZ (832329) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152768)

There's a warning screen before each game to tightly grip the Wiimote. I wouldn't blame Nintendo for my inability to grip an object. On a related note, society on the whole is far to sue happy and I'm of the opinion that they should institute a mandatory penalty for bringing frivolous law suits.
Great, so if you're ever in the position where you have a legitimate gripe, and you need to take it to court to settle it - but the defendants manage to make it appear that your gripe is totally petty and frivolous, then you get penalized. Certainly sounds like it makes your (already expensive) prospect of getting your legitimate gripe resolved just got a whole lot more risky, huh?

Re:"even more excited" (1)

DRO0 (252117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151808)

Yes better get it sorted. We can't have all these people using their Wii in a way that's "not fit for the purpose intended".

Re:"even more excited" (1)

APLowman (968256) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151928)

I'm going to assume you haven't played the Wii yet.. I own 2, and even with my friends who flail the controller around as if they were trying to fling it into orbit, it is nearly impossible to lose the controller unless you let go. Even then if you are wearing the strap you can't lose it under normal use and the controllers are quite durable (apparently more so then the objects people are smashing them into). I've seen the same videos you guys have and the fact is the idiots who break their strap are either trying to or are to retarded to know how to grip a stick.

Re:"even more excited" (2, Interesting)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151930)

The thing is, people in Europe that have managed to get a Wii before the street date claim that the remotes come with a sturdier strap, about twice as wide as the American one, so UK gamers will have little to worry about.

Re:"even more excited" (2, Funny)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152814)

Wow, that's a relief. I think it even makes up for the $83 extra we're paying.

Re:"even more excited" (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153716)

I didn't think it was the straps that were breaking, but the crappy plastic tabs that were holding them into the controllers.

  They should have play tested them alot more with American wiitards first. We seem to be the ones breaking the shit out of the controllers *cue youtube girl video*.

Cushy retirement job (5, Funny)

DingerX (847589) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151492)

Okay, so before it was: "If my machine doesn't show 1080p, fall back on 720p, and 1080i (only) is screwed". Now it's "If my machine doesn't show 1080p, fall back on 1080i, and everyone else is screwed".

So it went from a minor annoyance to a severe problem?

Who put Don Rumsfeld in charge of patches?

Re:Cushy retirement job (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151818)

Who put Don Rumsfeld in charge of patches?
He just helped out with that in his spare time. If you think that patch is bad, just wait till Rumsfeld is really retired and starts consulting full time.

Re:Cushy retirement job (5, Funny)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151830)

"Well, there are known knowns and known unknowns. The 1080p to 720p problem was a known known, but the 1080p to 1080i problem was a known unknown. But, we didn't know that it was a known unknown until it became a known known. But the best solution is still unknown, apparently."
-- D. Rumsfeld on the Sony high-def concerns

Oldie but Goldie (2, Interesting)

Veetox (931340) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151508)

You think there's any chance that the Nintendo Power Glove will be resurrected?

Re:Oldie but Goldie (1)

Fulg (138866) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152596)

You think there's any chance that the Nintendo Power Glove will be resurrected?
Modded offtopic? Oh come on mods, this is obviously a reference to the "Special Wii Glove" mentionned in TFA... :)

(Sorry, used up all my mod points earlier in the day so I can't help you more)

I'm surprised that the "Special Glove" is the best they can offer, just making a better strap (ie, not a flimsy wire!) would solve the issue once and for all...

You know... (5, Insightful)

Kirin Fenrir (1001780) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151520)

Sony actually has good hardware with the PS3, despite all the FUD. But if they don't pull their heads out of the sand and overhaul the software, they're going to lose a lot of customers.

I am a PS3 owner. Wake up, Sony.

Re:You know... (2, Interesting)

Mex (191941) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152088)

Sony has ALWAYS has great hardware.

It's their software that leaves a lot to be desired. I shall leave it to other slashdotters to make a list of all the things Sony does wrong on the software side (beginning with DRM...)

Re:You know... (4, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152304)

Sony has ALWAYS has great hardware.

You don't have anything from the Playstation product line I take it?

Re:You know... (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152614)

I know a laptop repair tech who would heartily disagree with you on that.

Re:You know... (1)

corky842 (728932) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153016)

Or their CD burners?

Re:You know... (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152312)

The specs are good, but when you forget something as simple as a hardware upscaler...

Re:You know... (2, Insightful)

0x15e (961860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153182)

I am a PS3 owner. Wake up, Sony.
They have your money already and, hence, little incentive to listen to you anymore. Sony only needs to care about this if it prevents the sale of their system and they don't seem to be having any problems moving units.

I don't think anyone was saying it wasn't good (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153514)

Just that it was as good as they were advertising. There was all this talk about cinema experiences in realtime and so on, combine with some amazing teasers. Then we find out the teasers are all prerendered, the graphics chip is about the same as an nVidia 7900 which, while powerful, isn't anything more than what the 360 has and the games look about the same.

It wouldn't be a problem if Sony didn't promise the Sun and Stars all the time. If they had told the truth that the graphics would be competitive with the 360 (which they are) then great. But when you tell everyone it's like nothing they've ever seen and show them shit that had only previously been done in Maya it's rather disappointing to find out you were lying and indeed the shit had been done in Maya.

People are mad about the hardware because it's capabilities were greatly oversold, and because it's real expensive.

Heh... (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151528)

People are evidently 'even more excited' by playing the little white console than the company anticipated, and they're investigating the possibility that the straps aren't strong enough.

Even by Zonk standards, this is some impressive spinning -- it's not a defect, it's just that the fantasticness of the Wii is so all-encompassing that the designers couldn't have anticipated how much players would love it!

Microsoft should have come up with that: "Players are so exhilarated by the 360 that they can sometimes set the carpet on fire!"

Re:Heh... (2, Informative)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151752)

OTOH

Nintendo execs have acknowledged media reports of uncoordinated gamers causing damage to televisions, furniture and even fellow players.

But NOT to the wiimote which goes flying at high speed -every- time this happens and causes the whole damage to hardware and wetware mentioned! Now that's some bulletproof device!

Re:Heh... (1, Offtopic)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151834)

Hahaha...lets send a few batches of Wiimotes to reinforce the suits of soldiers at war. A couple of Wiimotes strapped all over should garentee they come back alive.

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152902)

be wary if you see terrorists standing in line for a Wii.

Re:Heh... (1)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153282)

Just go behind a bush.

Re:Heh... (2, Insightful)

Bastian (66383) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151788)

I'm not going to straight up say RTFA, but that sentence was just a paraphrase of Nintendo's spin-laden comments, not Zonk's own spinning. Give credit where credit is due.

Re:Heh... (2, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151996)

I did straight-up RTFA, and would suggest that Gamasutra and Zonk each inserted their own preposterously positive spin on top of Nintendo's already preposterously positive spin. I mean, just the part I quoted is 89% Zonk, and 4% of the remaining 11% is a word he inserted into a supposed quote from Iwata.

Re:Heh... (1, Offtopic)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151856)

>>Even by Zonk standards, this is some impressive spinning -- it's not a defect, it's just that the fantasticness of the Wii is so all-encompassing that the designers couldn't have anticipated how much players would love it!

damn, that's a good post LOL

Re:Heh... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151864)

Oh, where are the mod points when you need them. -finishes laughing before he dies of asphyxiation-

Re:Heh... (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151896)

Honestly, I don't see the problem ...

I don't even use the strap and have yet to come close to doing something which would require a strap to prevent from throwing the Wiimote. You would have to be doing something pretty stupid ( http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/11/29 [penny-arcade.com] ) to put enough force behind the Wiimote to throw it, break the strap and break your TV.

Re:Heh... (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152070)

Or you are a little kid, or you have some carpal tunnel, or you have some arthritis, or you just generally have some trouble with gripping/coordination and haven't gotten used yet to moving your hand/arm around in the fashion encouraged by the Wiimote.

Why is that just because one person doesn't have a particular issue, that means that anyone who does have the issue is either dumb or "doing something pretty stupid?" I mean, clearly Nintendo saw losing the Wiimote during play as a possibility or there wouldn't be a wrist strap in the first place.

Re:Heh... (1)

EmperorKagato (689705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152442)

Some kids may actually try lasso-ing the remote controller from the strap instead of moving the controller above their heads.

Re:Heh... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152008)

Every review I've read stresses that exagerated movements are not required to use the wiimote and simple flicks of the wrist are enough. Are these things THAT slippery that people can't hold onto them? I can't see why straps would be required at all.

Re:Heh... (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152190)

I did not know that Zonk and Myiamoto were the same persons, thanks for enlighting me.

What spin?! (5, Insightful)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152194)

No, I'm sorry, but I don't agree at all that this is some type of spin. Nintendo designed the Wiimote to what they felt would be appropriate safety standards when used responsibly and with a modicum of common sense. How exactly it is their fault that a bunch of people are far too overzealous for their own good? The strap is there for backup. The Wiimote should never have left the people's hands in the first place.

This whole thing might convince me to put some adhesive rubber strips on the Wiimote for a better grip, (get your minds out of the gutter, guys...) but it's not Nintendo's fault if I act like a freaking maniac and the Wiimote flies out of my hand because I'm swinging it faster than I should or need to.

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is taking the high road by saying that they're going to look at making the wrist straps more secure whereas they could just as easily say, "The Wiimote wrist strap was not designed for people who don't know how to control themselves properly" and leave it at that.

And, no, that's not a troll or a flame. I'm just so tired of people pushing things beyond their limit of tolerance due to their own lack of self-control and common sense then blaming the manufacturer for it. If you buy a car, never take it out of first gear, red-line the engine by going 50 MPH, and end up in the hospital when the engine explodes, that's not the car manuacturer's fault for not making the engine more tolerant of your bad actions.

Nintendo just gained some credibility in my book.

As for Microsoft, I'm not as willing to let them off the hook. People have been putting consoles on the floor since the days of the Atari 2600, so that is not an unrealistic expectation. Yet Microsoft designed the 360 and its power supply to be a small toaster oven. They could have put a bit more planning into the heating/cooling system of the 360.

Re:What spin?! (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152382)

It depends on how common the issues are. If a high enough percentage of the population is doing this, then yes, Nintendo should address it. It shows that they failed to consumer test it well enough to see that their wrist strap was not sufficient. Even if it isn't a significant problem...changing "consumers damaging property with Wii controller" too "people having so much fun with the Wii" is the definition of spin.

Re:What spin?! (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152564)

...or it shows that the people who did test it were using it responsibly. If 200 people tested it and there was no indication of problems, then why would they have had an expectation of thousands of over-zealous people losing their self-control?

And I still don't define that as spin. People generally don't get "excited" if they're not having fun. (Take that statement as you wish.) Sounds more like a valid cause than a spin to me.

Re:What spin?! (4, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152506)

Nintendo designed the Wiimote to what they felt would be appropriate safety standards when used responsibly and with a modicum of common sense.

And then released it to the gaming public!! The height of irresponsibility!

Re:What spin?! (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152548)

Nintendo designed the Wiimote to what they felt would be appropriate safety standards when used responsibly and with a modicum of common sense. How exactly it is their fault that a bunch of people are far too overzealous for their own good?

Look, Nintendo clearly designed the thing with an inaccurate sense of what "normal usage" was going to be. I don't think it's at all a big deal, don't think they should have any legal liability and commend them for fixing it so quickly. But presenting it as "WII EVEN BETTERER THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT! LAWS OF PHYSICS TO BE REDEFINED!" is still worth a laugh.

Re:What spin?! (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152934)

Well, okay, yes. Maybe the American and Japanese defintions of "normal usage" got lost in translation somewhere. :)

Re:What spin?! (1)

androvsky (974733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152664)

The Wiimote has a strap for a reason, as backup, as you mentioned. As simple and easy to accomplish as that task is, the strap has been failing at even doing that. I find it interesting that Nintendo was able to build a complicated multi-function remote that could survive getting tossed into TVs and walls, but failed at making a strap that could withstand an overhand throw from a gamer. And I really, really look forward to someone accidentally letting go of their wiimote that's constantly criticizing others for being maniacs. It's called an accident, and unless you're the toolbox that's barely wiggling the wiimote in all the games, chances are you'll eventually slip up.

Re:What spin?! (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152882)

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this to an extent. If the user loses their grip because they're swinging harder than they should be or need to be, that's not Nintendo's fault. I'm not saying that you're saying it is, just that I don't agree with the "Nintendo should have known" attitude that seems to be prevalent. I'm definitely going to be purchasing some adhesive, rubber strips for the Wiimote now.

Uhhh, because they should have tested it? (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153120)

It's not ok for a manufacturer to just say "Well this breaks easy so be careful with it," if it is going to be used in an environment where it is likely to be handled roughly. Companies should know that people are vicious with their controllers and indeed classic game controllers are designed with that in mind. As a kid I remember chucking a SNES controller on occasion and always pushing the buttons waaaay too hard and it took the abuse. It was designed to, they knew that kids like me were going to use and abuse it.

Well, this should have been tested with the Wii controller. Sure it only needs small movements but is that what people are actually going to do? Of course not, they are going to get in to it and start moving dramatically. That's just how we work.

One would assume Nintendo would have playtested the Wii with normal gamers and found this out. It's not like we are talking about something that's taken a long time to find out. It's been, what, a week?

Re:Uhhh, because they should have tested it? (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153296)

And who's to say that they didn't? As I mentioned in an earlier post, if all of their playtesters ran it through its paces but nothing like this happened, why would they have had any expectation that it would have happened when it went on sale? At what point do you have to give your customers the benefit of the doubt that they won't act like maniacs?

Re:Heh... (1)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152392)

Or, it could be a quote from Iwata himself:

"Some people are getting a lot more excited than we'd expected," Iwata said. "We need to better communicate to people how to deal with Wii as a new form of entertainment."

As reported by Reuters and passed on by Fox News [foxnews.com] .

Re:Heh... (1)

Zonk (12082) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152570)

Sorry I didn't use the sarcasm tag there. I didn't realize I needed to qualify a summary of another site's post. This is where I got [gamasutra.com] my great spin from:

"Legendary Nintendo producer Shigeru Miyamoto also commented on the problem, saying: 'We are encouraging people to understand that you really don't have to be so excited, but rather you need to understand the control and then you're going to be the best player. We are looking into the situation to see if there are additional methods to encourage people to kind of calm down so they would never throw away the controller itself.'"

Re:Heh... (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152928)

Zonk, if that was intended as sarcasm, my bad, and the only people dumber than me are the Nintendo zealots who are actively defending your supposed point.

(In fact, I had thought that Miyamoto's comment was intended to be facetious and that you and Gamasutra had both missed it. At this point, I have no idea...)

Re:Heh... (2, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153608)

No, the spin is that the Wii's minor physical issue with a very small number of people losing grip of the controller is somehow comparable to the several patches Sony have had to release for the PS3.

If you look... (5, Informative)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151750)

If you look at a wiimote from the more recent batches (especialy if its one that got sent by nintendo because of a defect or another, as a replacement), and compare the straps, the newer wiimotes have much, much better straps. So its already fixed in the newer batches, as far as I can tell.

Re:If you look... (1)

onosendai (79294) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152214)

The Australi released console (and I'll predict Euro as they're probably the same package) straps don't seem to be anywhere near as weak as the stories of the US release makes out

Re:If you look... (5, Funny)

Trigun (685027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152980)

They didn't expect Americans to be fit enough to smash a television, and even should the unthinkable happen, the player would surely die of the shock of destroying his God.

Ooh, I'm going to hear it for that one.

Re:If you look... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152266)

If you look at the word you're typing where "remote" should be, you'll find your IQ and vocabulary are under attack by idiotic marketing puns. :)

Re:If you look... (1)

geedra (1009933) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152426)

I can't begin to understand how this is such a problem for some people. I took the strap off before I ever started using the remote, and it has never come close to coming out of my hand during gameplay. HOLD ON to the damn thing people, it's not that difficult.

Fix Your Wiimote (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151776)

If you're honestly worried about the strap breaking on your Wiimote, check out this quick how-to [flickr.com] on flickr. Just use some heavy duty fly fishing line to reinforce it.

Re:Fix Your Wiimote (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151956)

I'd also recommend the $9-10 "controller gloves" that they sell as the rubberized grip is much more comfortable. They also come with an extra strap.

Buying some grip tape from a sports store would probably be just as good.

When you said 'fix'... (3, Informative)

maniac/dev/null (170211) | more than 7 years ago | (#17151920)

I was hoping this there would be news of a Wii system update, perhaps to allow the Classic Controller to be used with Gamecube games on the Wii. As it is, you have to use a Gamecube controller. The Classic has all the buttons you would need, even the analog-style L and R triggers, but for some reason, it is not set up that way. I really don't want to buy a Wavebird, and I really REALLY don't want an ugly dongle sticking out of the top of my nice new Wii.

Re:When you said 'fix'... (1)

Cadallin (863437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152504)

I'd like to second that. I think it makes a heck a lot of sense to standardize control schemes in this way, in fact, I'm rather surprised they didn't have this at launch. Wouldn't it have been cheaper for them to do it this way intead of including four GC controller ports on the new Hardware?

Re:When you said 'fix'... (1)

Chimera512 (910750) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153096)

yes, but then the system wouldn't be fully backward compatible, which is a selling point especially if you have a library of GC games and several controllers.

Broken Straps? (1)

The Bubble (827153) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152160)

The strap for my Wiimote was broken when I got it. I don't know for sure whether it was the one that came with the console or with the extra one I got, but the little string that connects the strap to the Wiimote was broken in the package. Has anyone else seen this?

Gripping an uncommon talent? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152292)

Is it that there are just quite a few people who are just unable to properly grip an object designed to be gripped? Or is the mu just not high enough?

Incapable of Outrage (2)

Saint_Waldo (541712) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152326)

I have a 480p TV, as does almost everyone still, and the PS3 looks amazing. The PS3 is the first device to even do HD that I've ever owned. I had been waiting for such a device to enter the mudstorm that is the emergence of HD to spark my own entry. I'm going to skip the entire 780x range and buy a 1080p TV, which now costs about 2x the cost of the PS3. It's a non-issue for me. I am sorry that 780p/i folks are not going to see the absolute best from this, but, seriously, it's not as if they get a completely blank screen with no play options, and early adopters always get screwed, welcome to technology. Contrary to the early cries from this (questionably) injured group, Sony is trying to give them some options to improve their situation. But, complainers do best when they complain, and nothing is funner to them, it seems, than complaining about active responses to their complaints. It's not 100% the first time; I'm sorry, but that is pretty much the Japanese way. Incremental improvement is a cultural fetish bordering on a compulsion for manufacturers over there, so I'd expect this to only get better as we go forward. It's always about balancing tradeoffs when you attempt to combine 2 high end pieces of tech: if you care more about longevity and color range, you would go LCD display; if you care more about color intensity and motion response, you go plasma. Neither decision is wrong for what you desire, and both products will converge into each other's space as we go forward. If upscaling is absolutely more important to you than whether the device at least basically functions, I'd say you do have a right to complain, but you do still have a functioning product that delivers on its real promise: it still looks astoundingly better than the previous version no matter what resolution. To the ones complaining simultaneously about this and the price, upscaling was left out as a hardware decision, and would have likely made the machine more expensive. So, even if this hadn't been an issue, there would still be focus on the price, no matter how much money Sony is losing. Welcome to the cake that no one will be allowed to eat, unless it's to say the cake needs more frosting.

Re:Incapable of Outrage (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152792)

I have a 480p TV, as does almost everyone still.

Most people probably still have standard-def analog sets, which are 480i, not 480p.

Re:Incapable of Outrage (1)

Saint_Waldo (541712) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152834)

You are correct sir, finger slipped, and thanks for the correction.

At least Sony wasn't lying... (1, Flamebait)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152336)

...when they said "the next generation doesn't start until we say it does." Well, we're still waiting.

Maybe the next patch will be the start of next generation gaming. Or the patch after that. Hey, somewhere in there the next generation will definitely start.

Nint[innu]endo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17152892)

From the first article:

"...people are becoming more and more excited playing with the Wii."

"...sweaty hands [...] exacerbating the issue."

The jokes just write themselves.

Fix the Wii`s European Virtual console (4, Interesting)

palad1 (571416) | more than 7 years ago | (#17152930)

The european virtual console is stuck @ 50 hertz, the games are about 15% slower and the screen has ugly black borders around it.

As much as I am a nintendo fanboy, I really must admit they badly botched the it on this one...

So please make eu games run @60Hz and use the overscan... pretty please?

Personally.... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153044)

I think that the wiimote should have textured rubber grips on it, material not entirely dissimilar from the non-slip grips that people put into the bottom of their shower/bath to keep from slipping. That would probably largely solve the issue of it slipping away from people simply on account of sweaty hands.

Nintendo cares, Sony ignores? (1, Troll)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153128)

Well I'd say yeah. Nintendo is taking the strap problem serious which is pretty awesome. They know for the most part the strap isn't the problem, it's a problem with people letting go of the controllers completely, but I'm sure they'll figure out someway to make people happy. However I'm sure they can't go around giving free tvs away for idiots who let go of the controller (and seriously that's fair) but they should probably offer a free stronger strap. Of course those who couldn't hang on to their controller really shouldn't expect much more. I've yet to have an occasion where the controller flew out of my hand.

Then again on Sony's side, there's so many known problems with the console, this update feels like lipservice at best, and it's not even solving any problem that a normal person would have. What's worse this is a problem their console has and they arn't even acting like it's a real problem or taking it seriously. But the priority of video feeds? That's crucial, except what happens when my 1080i TV revert to 480p because I don't have 720p?

Oh that's right, it's Next gen and HD generation? That's when graphics and games are amazing... as long as you have the right tv, and the right connector, and the right game, and sony will be glad to sell you them all, for more money.

Microsoft has become a more caring company then sony, they are at least finally repairing Xbox 360 with drive problems for free. Sony, well I guess the good news is under 400,000 people will be effected by these problems.

What the hell is the Wii "strap" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17153206)

An explanation for what the fuck this "strap" is or what it does is notably absent from both the article and the summary. A strap to carry the wii? A strap to attach it to the television? the comments to the story suggest some sort of strap for a remote control, but WTF would anyone need a strap on a remote control for?

None of this makes sense.

Re:What the hell is the Wii "strap" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17153724)

Nothing [for you] to see here, move along [you annoying dumbass].

Sony got it right - for me (2, Informative)

Murrow (144634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153700)

I'm a PS3 owner, and the new settings are the right ones for my non-1080p HDTV. So, I'm happy with them. The better choice, of course, is to make these choices more user configurable so people can get the mode they prefer for each situation.

I'm a little miffed that when a patch comes out they force me to install it before I can log into the playstation network. This patch had nothing to do with networking. Of course, the 360 works the same way.

Great (1)

xlordtyrantx (958605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153730)

I remember reading somewhere at some point (gotta love my memory) that the main reason that console games are great, in the opinion of the writer, is the fact that they work when they get to you, and don't have to have any patches later on, like computer games. Well, there goes that idea...

Nothing a warning sticker can't fix (0, Flamebait)

Redrodan (871816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17153800)

I don't see the problem with the wrist straps. I have 2 Wii Remotes and both the wife and I have been playing a lot of Wii Sports & Zelda TP with out any problems.

Maybe Nintendo should just put a warning sticker on new boxes:

Warning: Not recommended for aggressive fatty kids with sweaty hands.

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