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Activating Vista Enterprise Using a Spoofed Server

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the so-close dept.

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Ruvim writes "It has been mentioned in previous Slashdot discussions as possibility, and now it became a reality: Information Week reports that a spoofed server has been released that can be used to activate Microsoft's Vista Enterprise versions. It is being made available on several pirate Web sites and spoofs a Key Management Service server, used to activate a large number of copies of Windows Vista in enterprise environments." From the article: "Vista is the first version of Windows that Microsoft requires volume license customers to activate. Besides KMS, the Redmond, Wash. developer also offers Multiple Activation Key, which resembles the retail version's activation process. PCs activated using KMS must reactivate at least once every six months. The MelindaGates hack uses a VMware image of a KMS server to activate -- and keep activated -- a pirated edition of Windows Vista Business. 'Looks like Windows Vista Volume Activation 2.0 is a big bust,' wrote a user identified as 'clank' on the PirateBay Web site Friday. "

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TAG THIS ARTICLE TROLL!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17168934)

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All you fucking nerds can suck my cock. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17168970)

*unzips pants*

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Re:All you fucking nerds can suck my cock. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169008)

Sorry, I left my microscope in the lab...

Re:All you fucking nerds can suck my cock. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169096)

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Wishful thinking (-1, Offtopic)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169158)

If you really had a large penis, you wouldn't have a problem getting attractive women to suck it. The fact that you're trolling here tells us all that you have a tiny penis. This is a desparete plea for help and attention for your pathetic member.

LK

Re:Wishful thinking (0, Offtopic)

sumday (888112) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169290)

yeah, because women will blow any guy if his wang is large enough. You sure understand females, buddy.

Fuck you, Lockwood. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169578)

Anaconda? More like a tapeworm.

Now get the fuck off of this website, you gelatinous piece of shit. Marticock isn't going to molest himself, you know.

yep (5, Informative)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17168980)

Information Week reports that a spoofed server has been released that can be used to activate Microsoft's Vista Enterprise versions.

And you don't even need a separate computer. You can spoof the activation from the same machine.

Even better: thepiratebay! (2, Interesting)

mr_luc (413048) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169180)

Even better is that the torrent tracker referred to is The Pirate Bay -- who mocked microsoft's legal threats, resulting in Microsoft appearing to pull strings that lead to an unprecedented, although ultimately unsuccessful, raid on their servers.

So, when the first hacks for Vista start popping up, it's nice to know that I can rely on The Pirate Bay to host those .torrents for me!

Re:Even better: thepiratebay! (4, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169896)

Even better is that the torrent tracker referred to is The Pirate Bay -- who mocked microsoft's legal threats, resulting in Microsoft appearing to pull strings that lead to an unprecedented, although ultimately unsuccessful, raid on their servers.

It is commonly believed that the MPAA, not Microsoft, was responsible for the US State Department leaning on the right local ministers to get the Pirate Bay raided. For one thing, the MPAA prematurely ejaculated a press-release congratulating themselves for getting the Pirate Bay shut down, while Microsoft was mum on the event.

So what _does_ Vista actually secure? (4, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169982)

The DRM module doesn't block unsigned drivers, allowing injection of attack code.

The license module has been spoofed, which means it's not protecting Microsoft's revenue.

Does Vista protect anything other than media restrictions imposed by producers?

Re:So what _does_ Vista actually secure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17170064)

No.

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Short on details (4, Insightful)

weave (48069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17168984)

Sounds like someone just stole a vmware image from their work that is set up as a kms (many sites are just plugging their KMS in as a vmware guest to get going).

I'm sure that Microsoft must have thought of that as a possibility. Since a unique product key is required to activate a KMS, why can't Microsoft just deactivate that compromised KMS key?

Re:Short on details (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169092)

OK... vmware runs upon another OS. Say... linux.

I now route all packets to null and whitelist what I want to allow. Problem solved.

Re:Short on details (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169126)

I'm sure that Microsoft must have thought of that as a possibility.


And you came into this conclusion because... Microsoft has such a good track record in security?

Re:Short on details (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169268)

And you came into this conclusion because... Microsoft has such a good track record in security?

The only good MS security track record is in copy protection.

To get MS terminal server licenses activated you have to jump through many hoops - it's extremely annoying. On the other hand, I've never heard of any hacks for it.

Re:Short on details (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169390)

That's assuming the information somehow escapes because pirates are mass distributing keys and other information. On the other hand, legitimate purchasers of Vista may want to do their own "home-grown validation" in order to get a product that:
A) doesn't phone home to MS on a regular basis
B) dosen't need to re-validate on a regular basis and break if it doesn't
C) doesn't throw a hissy fit if they do too many hardware upgrades, and,
D) continues to work the way the product SHOULD work when they are actually legitimate customers, despite whatever bugs may exist in the validation software.

In other words, people with legitimate licenses may want to circumvent for the purposes of yielding a more reliable system without this superfluous "feature", in which case they don't have to use or expose the existence of technically illegitimate keys. They can just block anything involved with validation to/from Microsoft at the router, in which case MS can deactivate the key all they like, but the spoofed system won't see it if it is only talking to the fake key server.

Re:Short on details (2, Interesting)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169468)

I'm sure that Microsoft must have thought of that as a possibility. Since a unique product key is required to activate a KMS, why can't Microsoft just deactivate that compromised KMS key?

If YOU were a pirate, would YOU download an update which adds this "functionality"?

Microsoft has taken an interesting approach ... (4, Interesting)

jfclavette (961511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169004)

Vista Business and friends are the most likely to be cracked due to volume licensing. However, features are removed in a way that it is advantageous to businesses but turn away most home users. It'll be interesting to see how that works out.

Re:Microsoft has taken an interesting approach ... (2, Informative)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169166)

No thats not true. Even VLK has to be activated. Aparently they will be having a machine ala SUS that makes all the authorization attempts for them. They said the activations are like 180 days or so.

Re:Microsoft has taken an interesting approach ... (5, Interesting)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169546)

What does Microsoft do for government customers like the CIA/NSA/DIA? Some of those networks are completely and totally isolated from the public Internet.

I imagine Microsoft must provide them with a KMS that doesn't itself require activation, which can be run on a secure, closed network. I imagine it's not widely publicized...

Very interesting (3, Funny)

empaler (130732) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169910)

That is actually very interesting.

However, given the nature of their work, I'd guess they don't use the newest OS...

Funny that MoxFulder should point this out?

Re:Microsoft has taken an interesting approach ... (3, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169936)

What does Microsoft do for government customers like the CIA/NSA/DIA? Some of those networks are completely and totally isolated from the public Internet. ...greetings professor falke^C

ooops. damn.

Re:Microsoft has taken an interesting approach ... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169964)

On a wild ass guess, they either get new activation codes or CDs with updated keys. Isn't that how you can phone in and activate Windows today? Geez, sometimes you make not being connected to the Internet sound so much more difficult than it is. If they have to do that for one central server, it's hardly a big deal.

History always repeats itself looks like (1, Informative)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169028)

The software, loaded with the long name of "Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Local.Activation.Server-M elindaGates" is available on several pirate Web sites. It spoofs a Key Management Service server, one of the two technologies that Microsoft debuted last month that let businesses activate a large number of copies of Windows Vista. KMS requires that at least 25 PCs be connected to a corporation's network.

All I can say is: [nelson voice]ha ha !![/nelson voice]

Re:History always repeats itself looks like (2, Insightful)

iSeal (854481) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169120)

The most surprising bit is that implementing cracks of this nature is nothing new. That's how cracks work for flexlm based products (Maya, ArcGIS.) You would thus think that MS would have learned from their failures and made a more resilient system. And by resilient I mean one that could last more than a week before being ultimately cracked.

Re:History always repeats itself looks like (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169530)

The problem is that there's just too much "fame" in cracking windows authentication. We used Telelogic Tau SDL in university, and it was only available on the university computers, and even there there was a limited number of licenses. We contacted the company to see if we could get some cheap/free licenses. They said no, and that licenses cost around $2000. Which was almost as much as a semesters tuition. Anyway, we also looked to pirating it, and couldn't find it anywhere. The problem was that it wasn't a popular enough program that anybody would bother cracking it. However, with windows, everyone wants it cracked, and everybody wants to be the one to crack it. So it's going to get cracked. I mean, look at the game consoles. People solder chips into the to crack them, but I don't think you'd find a way to install Linux on the v-Tech notebook. People are going to crack what they want to crack.

Re:History always repeats itself looks like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169720)

2005-03-10 PC App ISOs Telelogic TAU Generation2 V2.4 SP1 ZWTISO 1 CD 57
2004-12-30 PC App ISOs Tau Generation2 V2.4 (c) Telelogic RORISO 07x15 MB 9
2004-11-07 PC App ISOs TAU Generation2 V2.3 (c) Telelogic RORISO 06x15 MB 7

Maybe you didnt look hard enough?
I found those listed on a public dupe check/nfo site.

Piracy and competition (4, Insightful)

robvangelder (472838) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169034)

The prize being to 0wn the Microsoft security mechanisms, but more-so to do it before rival warez groups.

The warez groups aren't so much competing against Microsoft, but amongst themselves - for the sheer status of it.

Re:Piracy and competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169248)

Mod parent: +1 'Well... yeah. We know.'

(My captcha here was 'hacked'. How about that? :) )

Self Contained Networks (4, Interesting)

nra1871 (836627) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169036)

Interesting...our network is completely self contained and does not touch the internet at all. I wonder how this will work for networks like mine (no plans to upgrade anytime in the near future, and since we use the workstations to run Citrix-based apps, it doesn't matter what OS we use.)

Re:Self Contained Networks (1)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169086)

I`m assuming they will have alternate ways of re-activating your license once every 6 months (as it seems that's what it requires) - much like XP, you can simply phone up and activate over phone. Except this time you wouldn't be activating your client machine, you'd be activating the local server that validates your client machines.

Re:Self Contained Networks (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169154)

You can set up your own KMS, assuming you're large enough to make it worthwhile. Failing that, MAK's can be made available that will activate from 1 to N machines much like the old Volume License Key.

Or you can switch to Linux and/or OSX. :)

Not really new. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169080)

This is exactly how cracks for flexlm based products (Maya, ArcGIS) work as well.

Just Wait... (3, Insightful)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169082)

Honestly, I'm going to laugh my ass off 6 months down the road when MS pushes out a mandatory WGA update, disguised as another 'critical update,' that nukes pirated installs. All these scam cracked/KMS/pirated Vista copies are going to lock-up, shut down and only be able to do one thing, display the phone number to call MS to purchase a legitimate key. Pirates have gotten by the initial flaws in the authentication system. Microsoft is going to change it, and quietly force everybody to reactivate from a legitimate source. Just wait... it's coming. If you really need a free, modern OS, rather than run something that clings to functionality through hacks, cheats, cracks and work-arounds, why not just bite the bullet and download a good desktop Linux distro? It's free. It's arguably more capable than Vista. How/where/when you play your media isn't decided by the AAs and to top it all off, you don't have to hack/crack/scam to get it to run.

Re:Just Wait... (4, Insightful)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169142)

...why not just bite the bullet and download a good desktop Linux distro? It's free. It's arguably more capable than Vista.


Because Linux does not run Everquest and 99% of the other games I like to play on a regular basis. So as far as a "Conveninent home OS that everybody can use" - Windows is still king regardless of what everybody says.
If I had the luxury of having 2 or 3 system in my house, then I would be running Windows for the family, and Linux on the other 2 for myself, but untill the time comes when Linux can have the type of compatibility with the every-day apps that Microsoft provides, I don't think my family would appreciate me switching over to Linux. And that I think, is the main reason why Linux is still not on the majority of people's computers.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

Iriestx (1033648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169202)

Bah.. I'd get a console if I wanted a gaming platform. I'll take Linux over Windows for computing any day of the week.

Re:Just Wait... (2, Insightful)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169260)

be sure to let me know when you find World of Warcraft on a console.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

bongey (974911) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169628)

Woops .. ah .. World of Warcraft can be played on linux with little work, thing is I play on linux because I get BETTER overall performance in linux under wine. Do not ask me how but the average fps is higher in linux on the same exact machine. Yes windows does peak higher on fps , but some reason it crawls sometimes(3-4 fps) and nothing is install with windows but wow for comparison.

Um... (3, Insightful)

tsanth (619234) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169280)

I daresay you're sidestepping GP's points:

1) Linux does not run a critical set of games which he wants to play.
2) Linux apps lack the kind of application compatibility that he and his family are looking for.

Let's accept that a console is superior to a PC for gaming, and let's accept that Linux is preferable to Windows for general computing tasks. GP's two points are still unresolved: he wants to play that particular set of games (presumably not available on either a console or on Linux) and he wants compatibility for a specific set of applications (presumably Windows-only applications without equivalent Linux alternatives/ports).

Re:Um... (2, Interesting)

CortalUX (986836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169394)

How about WINE [winehq.com]? I know they break compatability with games now and then, but the majority of the time games work pretty soon after they come out, or update.

Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a compatibility layer for running Windows programs. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely free alternative implementation of the Windows API consisting of 100% non-Microsoft code, however Wine can optionally use native Windows DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit for porting Windows source code to Unix as well as a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows programs to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and Solaris.

Re:Um... (1)

mojodamm (1021501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169444)

Is that before or after they terminate your WoW account? ;) You can flip over a screwdriver to pound in nails, but why not just use the hammer?

Re:Um... (1)

CortalUX (986836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169456)

I didn't realize your account gets terminated for things like that [not disbelieving you, but if it does?] - I don't play WoW - don't stab me with your Warcarft Fan +1 !!!!! But yeah, that sounds like a valid point.

Re:Um... (1)

GrizlyAdams (999280) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169580)

They will not terminate your WoW account for running under linux if you use cedega. The recent banning was an unfortunate accident and has been resolved afaik. Cedega runs a great many games including recent titles like WoW, GuildWars, and I believe Half-Life 2.

Why? (5, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169700)

"You can flip over a screwdriver to pound in nails, but why not just use the hammer?"

because the screwdriver manufacturer hasn't installed a "Feature" that makes the tool cease to function, forcing you to call the hammer manufacturer to ask permission to regain use of that hammer you bought. All the while knowing that at some point, the hammer manufacturer is going to decide they want to sell their new hammers, so they will stop giving permission to the old hammer owners to keep using their purchased hammers.

The real question would be, "Why would you buy a screwdriver, when you can rent a hammer?"

Re:Um... (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169472)

It's a classic catch 22.

99% of their accounts are on windows so they focus on windows.

99% of their accounts are on windows BECAUSE they focus on windows.

---
I have the same everquest situation.

Openoffice, firefox, azureus, audacity, gimp, etc are slowly removing any need for windows other than this.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

PieSquared (867490) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169322)

Could you set it up to dual boot? I did that to my laptop yesterday, and it was my first experience with Linux. I can now use windows for playing several games, and linux when I feel the need. *I* haven't noticed any problems, but if you don't have 50GB of free space (like I did) it might not be an option. Consider extra space the next time you buy a computer, and during set up go ahead and partition it... you can always undo it later if you decide to give up on Linux.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

turnip torrent (1037524) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169540)

Even if you don't have a lot of free space, you can set up a Linux/Windows dual boot system with an FAT partition to share files between the two operating systems. Then you could play games on Windows and edit your documents on either. It doesn't seem that nowadays one has to be loyal to one OS only. Of course, many people won't be crazy about repartitioning their hard drives, especially if they already have a lot of files stored on them.

Re:Just Wait... (1, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169496)

"Conveninent home OS that everybody can use"

the MAc is, and it can probably run 99% of the games you play.
Is 1% of games really worth having an OS that can be deactivated whenever the company wants to do it? or that it wont get deactivated by mistake? Not me. I don't own a Mac, but I will get one before I install Vista.

Re:Just Wait... (0, Flamebait)

jrockway (229604) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169754)

Leopard will require activation. Now sounds like a good time to start weaning yourself off of proprietary software. It's going to get worse (TPM) before it gets better (copyright abolished).

Re:Just Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169512)

Personally, I'm hoping Vista will finally be what pisses people off enought to seek alternatives. If OS X or Linux can help to take Windows down to, say, 80% of the market that would be a massive improvement for all.

Re:Just Wait... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169330)


Honestly, I'm going to laugh my ass off 6 months down the road when MS pushes out a mandatory WGA update, disguised as another 'critical update,' that nukes pirated installs.


Me too. But I'm going to DIE laughing when it turns out they nuked thousands of legit copies along with the pirate copies.

I don't object to paying for software, but there is no way in hell I'm going to put up with the vista activation bullshit.

Fooled me once (XP) shame on you. Fooled me twice (and tied me up and kicked me a few times (Vista)) shame on me.

Re:Just Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169440)

why not just bite the bullet and download a good desktop Linux distro?

As I am telling my family today, it's either linuc or apple. I don't want the hassle their products afford. Virus/hacker wise or activation wise.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

nanodec (999112) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169470)

i'm just laughing my ass off to whomever figured this little spoof out.. my hat is off to you... whomever you are ;)

Re:Just Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169722)

Asshat.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169474)

nope. just spoof what the OS is looking for.
Or find the area in hex and insert a jump pass the MS activation lookup.

Re:Just Wait... (5, Interesting)

BeanBunny (936648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169586)

Well, I was with you until you started gushing over Linux. Don't get me wrong, I like Linux too, but I yearn for the day that people don't end a comment about Microsoft with, "Why don't you just run Linux? It's so great!" That may be true, but this is Slashdot - we know that already!

rater pirate Vista than take a free OS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169740)

has a lot to be said about it.

Just look at the sheer numbers of downloads for Windows XP and every other Windows OS.
The facts speak for themselve.

Re:Just Wait... (1)

jasen666 (88727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169794)

Anyone with half a brain and a cracked Windows install disables WGA first thing anyway. Thus rendering your "mandatory" update, not so mandatory.

Godspeed, Microsoft (5, Insightful)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169190)

Let's hope that Microsoft fixes this problem very quickly. It is important that all Microsoft users pay every last penny for their habit.

For the love of God... (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169214)

Someone please post a link. Preferably a coral cache...

LK

Re:For the love of God... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169564)

ed2k 1647486062|83D43FBAA4D92AB73BDF22036A93A295

Try again. (2)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169226)

This is just another reason why anything dealing with software activation, DRM and it's ilk is a colossal waste of time and money.

it boggles the mind - Windows Genuine DISASTER (4, Funny)

toby (759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169234)

...Why anyone would run their business (or hobby) on a system that is subject to DeActivation.

Defective by Design, indeed. [cincomsmalltalk.com]

Re:it boggles the mind - Windows Genuine DISASTER (1, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169428)

Why anyone would run their business (or hobby) on a system that is subject to DeActivation

Hold on... Before we answer that we need to upload some more pictures to flickr.com. Then we need to update our blogs on MySpace and reply to some contact invites on LinkedIn.

And yes, an unfavorable change in the ToS on these sites is not as bad as deactivation. A complete loss of service appears unlikely at this stage; but you never know what might change. The bottom line? Unless you control your data, and store it in a format that can be easily converted to use with other Operating Systems or services, you are vulnerable.

Re:it boggles the mind - Windows Genuine DISASTER (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169724)

Flickr and MySpace are opening new avenues to business. Those ways of getting customers were not there before. It's like mana from heaven.

However, for a company to place an OS on the desktop of every individual, they need to ensure the new system is better than the last.

The first company to lose a day of work because of deactivation will be the nail in WGAs coffin. Either MS will release an anti-WGA patch, or everyone will go back to Win2k.

And we are surprised why? (3, Insightful)

mrpaco18 (958815) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169236)

It was inevitable that Vista Enterprise would be cracked in some way. Every version of Windows has been. In fact, I can't think of a single large-scale (scale as in cost) software that has not been cracked. No matter what any software vendor does, the dedicated pirates will always be one step ahead. Measures like product activation are only to stop widespread casual piracy, not piracy in its entirety.

Re:And we are surprised why? (4, Interesting)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169376)

Which is good enough. If Joe 6pack has to jump through hoops to pirate, he might just buy the product. Even better, Joe 12pack (twice as smart) might even be more wary of searching sites because of a legitimate fear of fake pirate sites that have viruses.

In games this is even more prevalent - the goal of fighting piracy isn't to prevent the inevetable - somewhere somebody has enough spare time to crack your stuff, but to _delay_ it. If Johnny 6cola can't get his game right away, then he might have to suck it up and buy it. The most sucessful ones have locked out pirates for 30 days or so. If you've been waiting for months for a game, waiting another month might not be an option. (Some of those might be from pirates distributing a game which still has parts of it not working and crashes half way through - even better for publishers). Obviously this is unique to games, as other software publishers want to keep people out for good.

Re:And we are surprised why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169708)

The pirates I know are sort of pragmatic. They get what they can for free. If their only option is to buy it, they won't. I have a mix of xp & linux with a few bought and a few pirate apps on xp. I downloaded an iso that is supposedly vista just to have around, but I probably won't be installing it anytime soon. I was about 3 years late to the xp party. I understand what you're saying with delaying and all. But it's stupid and it won't get them much more sales. They're better off not wasting their time on DRM, and pricing their stuff in a range that is accessible. I'm certainly not going to pay for being treated that way. It might encourage them to continue.

I was on linux only for some time, learning to compile everything from scratch, and do everything that way. XP became a matter of convenience because it was so easy. It seems like some of the cracks are getting more difficult, and I bet I can survive without vista. But more likely I bet within a year or two there will be iso's floating around that make installing an illigitimate copy easier to install and run than being a legit paying customer penalized by MS's activation crap...

Re:And we are surprised why? (2, Interesting)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169868)

But if you're not going to buy it anyways, what price is good enough? $20? $10? 5? It costs money to make these things no matter what. Again, you don't sound like a casual user. A casual user is someone who wants to play a game, and if its not on Bittorrent he might have to bite the bullet. Like frat guys at a Linux convention, they're here for the beer, not the source or speech. Put it another way: Two publishers put out two games at the same time. One has anti-copy protection, the other doesn't. Both cost $50. Our intrepid young gamer Johnny 6Cola has acquired $50 for his birthday and really really wants both games. The copy-free one is on bittorrent, the other is in the store. Which publisher would you rather be? Now in a month, both are on bittorrent, but games have a pretty short shelflife compared to Word or something similar. Another reason why its a different animal as far as copy-protection goes than other software. And for the time being MS still has a secure system against casual cracks. You can survive without Vista, but maybe someone wants it for XY or Z feature (or the next version of their favorite software might only support Vista, etc). If it takes several hours and a spare box to set this up, they might just bite the bullet and buy it. If the barrier to entry is 5 minutes and is 0 risk (no viruses, etc) all you've got is the moral issue to protect you, and despite the BSA's best efforts people still don't see taking money from Microsoft as wrong :)

Sometimes the irony is awesome... (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 7 years ago | (#17170058)

I downloaded parts of 'Call of Juarez' to part seed (Ratio Whoring). Then, after having seen some screen shots, I thought "what the hell", and set it to fetch the rest.
After playing through the game, I decided that I had to own that game.
Also, I'm buying a copy for my friend this Christmas.

Windows Vista Cracked? (5, Funny)

ImaNihilist (889325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169382)

Inconceivable!

Re:Windows Vista Cracked? (4, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169422)

And once again, before it's widely available. (I don't consider MSDN for their subscribers wide availability, really)

You'd think this sent a message...

Now, all that's left is an even more annoying activation system for legit customers.

Re:Windows Vista Cracked? (5, Funny)

RxScram (948658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169424)

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Interesting twist on the Vista Edition (4, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169410)

An interesting twist from this is that the most feature-rich Vista Ultimate Edition may not be the most warezed one after all. Because these aren't supporting KMS activation, unlike Enterprise and Business who were both intended for this use. However, for a pirate, that may not matter much, as the benefits of Vista Home Basic/Ultimate (= home/entertainment-oriented software) is probably quite easily outweighed by already available software, often free.

Re:Interesting twist on the Vista Edition (2, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169934)

An interesting twist from this is that the most feature-rich Vista Ultimate Edition may not be the most warezed one after all. Because these aren't supporting KMS activation, unlike Enterprise and Business who were both intended for this use.

Somebody will probably figure out how to drop the right DLLs from the Enterprise edition into any other edition to make it do KMS.

Memo to Hackerz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169418)

Hackerz: Microsoft will patch up any hole you tell them about. Why don't you sit on this until *after* Vista is released.

Oh right. You want to release it this century.

rofl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169594)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA awesome.

Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Local.Activation.Server-MG (4, Informative)

Odiumjunkie (926074) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169766)

Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Local.Activation.Server-Me lindaGates.torrent

unlike windows xp and volume activation 1.0 windows vista doesnt have any corporate
keys which will permanently activate it. volume activation 2.0 requires a corporate
user to either do a one time activation through microsoft servers (mak) or companies
can host a local activation server which does not talk to microsoft (kms). the only
difference is kms requires re-activation once every 180 days. however as long as
theres a local kms server its simple to keep windows activated. this release is a
vmware image of a permanently activated kms server which allows local activation of
windows vista business/enterprise edition. volume activation 2.0 is only built into
those two editions.

install vista business/enterprise edition with the key [removed, check .nfo].

using the latest vmware workstation, boot the image. disable vmware firewall.

on the non vm vista right click the command prompt icon and run as admin. type ...

cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms vm_vista_ip

cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -ato

windows should now be activated.

to check activation status type ...

cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -dlv

tested using echos windows vista enterprise and vmware workstation 5.5.3 but seems to
have issues with the billgates windows vista business.

Re:Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Local.Activation.Server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17169990)

You sir, win an internet.

"MelindaGates" hack? (4, Funny)

XoXus (12014) | more than 7 years ago | (#17169770)

The "MelindaGates" hack? Is that because people are getting sick of being screwed by Bill?
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