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Texas Lawmaker Wants To Let the Blind Hunt

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the don't-shoot dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 647

IHC Navistar writes with a story from Reuters Oddly Enough. A Texas lawmaker has introduced a measure that would allow blind people to hunt any game that sighted people can currently pursue. The article notes that the bill may have clear sailing in the hunting-besotted state of Texas. An education outreach person from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department explained it this way: "A blind person can shoot a rifle by mounting an offset pistol scope on the side of the rifle instead of on top. This allows their companion behind them to peer over their shoulder and help them sight it, but the blind person can pull the trigger."

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Chuck Norris (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215118)

Texas Lawmaker Wants To Let the Blind Hunt

It's not that big of a surprise. With Chuck Norris [youtube.com] prowling the area, they figure that everyone has a right to take their chances.

Look on the bright side. They'll never see it coming! (The roundhouse kick to the face, that is...) :P

Re:Chuck Norris (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215354)

Looks to me lik esomebody wants to "tip the scales" on the Darwin Award nomination committee, this year.

Re:Chuck Norris (4, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215360)

Texan lawmakers are encouraging blind people to hunt, and Americans are afraid of foreigners?

Give em all rocket launchers and let God sort em out...

i can imagine... (4, Funny)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215122)

the number of incidents of people getting 'peppered' around the face will totally increase.

bravo, guys.

Re:i can imagine... (1)

jasonla (211640) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215258)

Only in Texas can something this asinine be proposed.

Re:i can imagine... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215310)

Don't worry. Someone in California will be propose a law to hunt the blind with paintball guns.

Re:i can imagine... (5, Informative)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215316)

It's not a Texas thing. It is legal for the blind to hunt in most (if not all) states. The only thing new is that Texas wants to let them be aided with lasers.

15 other states allow the blind to use lasers to help them hunt.

How is this an "Only in Texas" thing?

Re:i can imagine... (1)

jasonla (211640) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215364)

Oh, well, I stand corrected and retract me previous statement. Thanks for the clarification.

In Soviet Texas (5, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215490)

Hunters blind you!

Re:i can imagine... (5, Funny)

MindKata (957167) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215630)

"Texas wants to let them be aided with lasers"

Why?, is it so they can blind the sighted hunters as well?!?

Re:i can imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215350)

Seems to me that something this asinine could get proposed anywhere in the right wing politically correct USA, but only in Texas would something this asinine get approved.

Re:i can imagine... (2, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215378)

yeah - blind people should sit at home, in the dark and leave everyone alone. what right have they got to go out and do things in the world around 'normal' people?

Re:i can imagine... (3, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215524)

Most things they want to do don't put other people at risk of dieing. A gun is a dangerous machine, and a blind person is incapable of using it properly. He could easily kill someone with it. This idea is inane.

Re:i can imagine... (-1, Troll)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215620)

a blind person hunting in a legal fashion is not presenting any more risk than a sighted person hunting. in fact, i think it could be argued that it is safer. it is not inane and has been going on safely for some time.

Re:i can imagine... (0, Redundant)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215292)

Peppered in the face? Dick Cheney brand seasoning!

I'm all for it... (1)

wiz31337 (154231) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215124)

They can even make them their own hunting season. Please!!!

Nothing for you to see here.., (4, Funny)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215126)

How fitting.

(insert Cheney joke here) (3, Funny)

facelessnumber (613859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215132)

See any serious problems with this story? Email our on-duty editor.

Dear on-duy editor:

Um, yes?

Uh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215138)

That has got to be the stupidest thing I ever heard. What next, blind people driving cars?

For fscks sake.

Fun with Dick (4, Funny)

Scaba (183684) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215142)

Shit. I can't think of any funny Dick Cheney jokes.

Re:Fun with Dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215228)

maybe they can hunt him.

dick cheney is his own joke. (1, Insightful)

swschrad (312009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215342)

(nfm)

Re:Fun with Dick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215496)

Shit. I can't think of any funny Dick Cheney jokes.

That's because you're a slashdotter, your jokes are supposed to be about: Beowulf clusters, In Soviet Russia, hot grits, Khaaaaaannnnn!!!, 4)Profit!, and Al Gore invented the internets!

Re:Fun with Dick (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215588)

Landry: Oh crap, they're having the blind hunt this thing. We need to kill this beast quickly; we don't want it to turn into the OK Corral.
Mitchell: Or a Vice-Presidential duck hunt.

i can think of one (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215690)

the lawmaker's proposal is called the dick cheney bill

How many... (2, Funny)

mandelbr0t (1015855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215144)

...blind Texans does it take to shoot out a light bulb?

(sorry, it's the best joke I could think of)

mandelbr0t

Re:How many... (2, Funny)

ExploHD (888637) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215204)

Three; one blind man, one to set up the sight, and one to yell "It's coming straight for us!"

Next step (2, Funny)

Jon Luckey (7563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215152)

Does the law contain a "You killed it, you clean it!" provision?

stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215164)

sometimes the USA is more retarded then middle east nations.

Great idea (5, Funny)

sentientbeing (688713) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215168)

What could possibly go wrong?

Trickery (5, Funny)

MrSquishy (916581) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215172)

A blind person can shoot a rifle by mounting an offset pistol scope on the side of the rifle instead of on top. This allows their companion behind them to peer over their shoulder and help them sight it, but the blind person can pull the trigger.
A less dangerous version could be:
A blind person can "shoot" a rifle-shaped block of wood by mounting an offset pistol scope on the side of the rifle instead of on top. This allows their liar companion behind them to peer over their shoulder and tell them "Oh yeah, you totally got that one."

Re:Trickery (5, Funny)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215348)

A less dangerous version could be:

A blind person can "shoot" a rifle-shaped block of wood by mounting an offset pistol scope on the side of the rifle instead of on top. This allows their liar companion behind them to peer over their shoulder and tell them "Oh yeah, you totally got that one."

Then you can stick the blind person's hand in spaghetti and peeled grapes and say it's the deer's intestines and eyeballs.

army (1)

IAR80 (598046) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215180)

Why not let them join the infantry sniper teams then.

Re:army (0)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215254)

Careful what you wish for. Uncle Sam IS practically kicking over dumpsters looking for bullet sponges (general infantry) to send overseas.

It's Funny - Laugh (3, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215192)

You think this is funny? I've got some incredible stories for you then. Get this. The other day - I'm in the grocery store and there is this guy walking around with a dog! In the store! Really, no kidding. A dog in the store and this guy is holding onto a harness the dog was wearing and the dog was leading the guy around. Can you believe it? Somebody should write up a funny post about dogs who shop for humans. That's a knee slapper.
 
But that's not the funniest. A week before that I saw this lady out on the sidewalk waving this big white stick all over the place. Talk about from the "don't hit me dept.", she was wacking all kinds of stuff with that stick. Hide the kids! Oh man, I still laugh until I get tears in my eyes over this one.
 
Last year my brother took a friend of ours with ALS on the last deer hunt of his life. My brother did everything for this guy but pull the trigger. Took a lot of time to rig things up to make that possible. And someone who is unfortunate enough to be blind should be able to go hunting with some assistance. The only reason anyone would find this funny is if they are willing to completely ignore what the hunting entails and just laugh at another's misfortune. Maybe I'm wrong to be bothered by this - but I think it is sad that I'm seeing it in so many places being presented as a humorous story.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215312)

You think this is funny? I've got some incredible stories for you then. Get this. The other day - I'm in the grocery store and there is this guy walking around with a dog! In the store! Really, no kidding. A dog in the store and this guy is holding onto a harness the dog was wearing and the dog was leading the guy around. Can you believe it? Somebody should write up a funny post about dogs who shop for humans. That's a knee slapper.

And then the man picked up the dog and swung him around by his back legs. A clerk at the store was shocked at the display and ran over to ask the man, "Can I help you?"
The blind man replied, "No thanks, just looking around."

Seriously, now.

You make an excellent point. If there is something that a disabled person can do (safely, and this is safe), there should be nothing forbidding them from doing it. I mean, that's what living in a free country is all about, right? Are the blind banned from strip clubs?

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (5, Insightful)

bobschneider8 (878023) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215370)

I don't think what people are making fun of here are blind people. What they're making fun of is Texas lawmakers who are so extreme on "gun rights" that they're willing to legalize such an obviously dangerous and stupid idea. You don't see them letting blind people get drivers licenses, but with guns, it's OK. I don't have a problem with what your brother did for his friend, but there are folks out there who seem to think there should be no regulations on guns, period. The only rational response to such people is to make fun of them, which they make very easy to do.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (4, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215428)

this isn't dangerous. i would love to see stats on hunting accidents and blind hunters. this has been legal in many places for a long time. the people who are dangerous when it comes to hunting are the people who are stupid. whether or not someone can see is no indication of their intelligence.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (0, Flamebait)

Skewray (896393) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215390)

And the misfortune of the wild animal, slaughtered for fun? Is that humorous to you instead?

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215574)

i guess that's part of what bugs me about this too. for a lot of people hunting is something much more meaningful than 'slaughter for fun'. to deny that to someone because they are disabled really ticks me off. now it sounds like you and i have very different opinions about hunting, but i think we both agree it is not a laughing matter.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215638)

And the misfortune of the wild animal, slaughtered for fun? Is that humorous to you instead?

The point of hunting is not "slaughtering for fun", it's "slaughtering for food", as nature intended and as we're designed. Not that it isn't also fun, but the point of hunting is to commune with nature and experience a tiny part of our heritage when surviving meant catching our food. That's why hunting is the most noble sport -- it's what we're designed to do at the most basic level.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (5, Insightful)

prichardson (603676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215406)

Grocery shopping and walking down the sidewalk are required for participation in society. Hunting is not. Also, the set of circumstances where a blind person shopping could result in someone getting seriously injured are a lot harder to believe than for a blind hunter.

We don't allow blind people to drive cars, either, but no one thinks this is prejudiced or an erosion of human rights.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (0, Flamebait)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215478)

Hunting is not.
maybe where you live. not in all places.
 
i bet the chance of a seeing eye dog biting someone are higher than a blind hunter hurting someone. i would love to see someone bring up a single case of a time where a blind hunter, being assisted by a seeing person, hurt somebody.
 
and finally, automobiles are much more deadly than guns. so what's your point? a person who cannot see, can successfully participate in a safe hunting experience, but not driving a car. what does one have to do with the other?

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215722)

i bet the chance of a seeing eye dog biting someone are higher than a blind hunter hurting someone.

Until you provide statistics to support your claim, there is no way in hell I'm going to believe it. I've never heard of a seeing-eye dog biting someone by accident, but every season there's some news report about a hunter shooting another hunter.

i would love to see someone bring up a single case of a time where a blind hunter, being assisted by a seeing person, hurt somebody.

Um, maybe you didn't RTFA, but currently blind people are not legally allowed to hunt. That's the whole point behind this bill. Obviously, you won't find any statistics.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215422)

Yes, I understand that they should be able to do most things that non-blind people do... but coming from a strong background in shooting, I highly doubt anything good will come out of this.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (5, Insightful)

Astral Jung (450195) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215448)

Maybe I'm wrong to be bothered by this - but I think it is sad that I'm seeing it in so many places being presented as a humorous story.
I would posit that if you can't see the humor in legislation allowing blind people to shoot potentially lethal firearms, that you have become too sensitive to the issue for your own good.

I know for a fact that my friend who is wheelchair bound would laugh his ass off if he heard, for example, that the Olympics would allow people like him to compete by, say, strapping a wheelchair to a legged individual. For him and for me, part of the way we deal with the challenges he faces is by the ability to see the humor that presents itself.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215476)

I agree. I don't really see the humor in this. Blind people already do a lot of things that perhaps most folks wouldn't expect that blind people are able to do. I mean, you wouldn't think that a blind person could go mountain biking, and there's a guy doing that [worldacces...eblind.org] , too. There's been a whole revolution in the past few years with people using human echolocation [wikipedia.org] (yes, echolocation; like dolphins) to navigate and "see" via sound reflections.

Frankly the Texas law seems like a reasonable compromise between equal opportunity and safety. It allows for a sighted person to look through the scope to verify the target, so there's no increased risk versus regular hunting by sighted people. And it would allow the blind person to do everything else.

Who knows -- maybe blind people could turn out to be excellent hunters, in terms of listening for and tracking game. It really wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. But the people lambasting this seem to be, unconsciously or not, saying that blind people should just accept the limitations that society assumes they have, rather than push the boundaries to find what they're actually capable of, and I find that incredibly sad.

And in the short term, I suspect that the majority of people taking advantage of this law will probably be people who've been hunting for years and who have, by accident, disease, or other misfortune, gone blind. I doubt that Texas is going to all of a sudden be lousy with blind people with guns. Get real; there aren't that many blind people who probably want to go hunting, but those that do probably know more about it than most non-hunters will ever know.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215566)

> last deer hunt of his life

Good riddance to bambi-killer.

You'd think someone about to die would understand how incredibly precious and valuable life is and how killing for sport is just plain cruel.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215590)

No its not a funny matter BUT how does the blind person know that he is infact shooting at game and not at a person? Clearly this will be dirt simple to abuse.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215692)

Thanks for showing you didn't read the article or even the summary. It would be nice in the future if you would do that before posting stupid comments.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215612)

"the only reason anyone would find this funny is if they are willing to completely ignore what the hunting entails"

You mean sitting in a f'ing tree stand with a pile of stale doughnuts on the ground waiting for some poor critter to wander in for a snack and take a bullet in the back of the neck?

My aunt is a taxidermist. She gets hired to turn these pathetic kills into snarling/gallant mounts for these "hunters" to take back home. The money these "hunters" spend is just mind-numbing. They get so excited over killing some poor bear or deer to get a skin or head out of it (and oooh, maybe some scary bear claws and teeth to turn into necklaces or earrings).

At least my aunt eats everything she kills. She's very very far from rich.

I don't see why I should be impressed that you carted a guy suffering from ALS out to shoot some animal. I think he might've gotten more out of some once-in-a-lifetime experience like visiting Hawaii, Costa Rica, or the African savanna.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215616)

I guess I'm not tuned into the hunting scene, but what exactly is the point of hunting when all you do is pull the trigger? Hanging out with your buddies? Personally, I don't find this funny. I find it disturbingly scary that pulling a trigger with the sole of purpose of killing something has somehow been elevated to being as part of normal life as shopping for groceries or crossing streets.

Somehow, this entire Iraq debacle makes a lot more sense right now.

Re:It's Funny - Laugh (2, Informative)

Bastian (66383) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215640)

What's really funny to me is that people would go through such great lengths to allow someone to do something that seems strikingly dangerous simply because they feel it's their right to be able to kill for no reason other than the crass pleasure of it. It's not even like the "for food" argument really applies in this situation, since someone else needs to be around and it's probably much easier to acquire the food without all the extra effort that would go into two people coordinating a gun. There's really no concievable reason I can find for why this would be valuable unless we sit down and agree that "for fun" is really a valuable and socially edifying reason why someone would want to kill a creature with feelings. And that really is funny.

And not funny in a "ha ha" sort of way.

Chipping away... (1)

Socguy (933973) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215208)

I guess I don't really have a problem with the blind shooting guns, assuming that it's properly supervised. The real issue I see here is that the bill apparently makes some technologies, like lazer sites, legal. Why do the blind need technologies designed to be seen? How long till every hunter wants these techs? It seems more likely to me that this is the thin edge of the wedge opening the way for general use of these 'forbiden' technologies.

Re:Chipping away... (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215322)

I can think of a couple reasons. One is - many people who are legally blind can still see to some extent. These aids may help them to be more involved in the hunt. It may also help the sighted person be more assured that they are getting a good shot- helping them to make a clean kill.
 
Some regular hunters may want this but not many. There have been provisions in many places that allow the handicapped advantages that they alone can use. Crossbows are a common hunting tool that fall into that category. But even if some hunters wanted this and got it, it wouldn't really matter. Hunting has become primarily a game management tool. As long as hunters don't over harvest, and the methods they use don't cause undue suffering, it's irrelevant how they harvest the animal. But most hunters are moving towards making things more difficult, not easier. For an example see the growing popularity of black powder hunting.

Re:Chipping away... (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215352)

I found this in a related article,

Kuempel's bill would give the state until Jan. 1, 2008, to come up with a definition of legally blind so the law could be enforced.

I strongly suspect that the definition of "legally blind" will be very broad.

Re:Chipping away... (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215386)

Laser sights are perfectly legal. Even in California, a friend owns a couple of guns with laser sights. They're incredibly useful in monitoring for flinch during trigger pull.

In this case, the laser sight would enable someone with a spotting scope to monitor the aiming point from a few feet away, instead of what might be a very uncomfortable position over the shoulder of the person holding the gun.

Bill endorsed by Dick Chaney (1)

jrobinson5 (974354) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215220)

Mr. Chaney was quoted as saying, "If I'm allowed to hunt, anyone should be. Heck, they probably have better aim than me!"

Legally Blind (4, Insightful)

Jonsey (593310) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215232)

I've got a good friend who's rapidly becoming a gun-nut... odd for a Canadan, I guess the states are finally seeping in to him.

Anyway, he's legally blind, just invested a very nice new car's worth of money into a Guide Dog, and has better groupings than most of the first-time shooters I've yet met.

This might be a problem for the totally blind, but there are a lot of folks considered blind by the state who are perfectly capable at IDing a target, and moving lead down-range in a manner at least as safe as a sighted person. Probably more-so when you consider the extra carefulness that the average legally blind person puts into doubting their visual input.

Of course, there could be problems, but one thing I've found is most people aren't total dumb-asses. If you're unable to hunt safely, you probably won't actually want to hunt.

(This isn't to discount the hijinks that ensue when you show up to an open range with a nice rifle, nice optics, and a guide dog in tow. That's a `priceless` moment that I hope to see again often in my life)

Re:Legally Blind (2, Insightful)

shawngarringer (906569) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215514)

I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be rude, or mean. But seriously, if someone can't see well enough that they need a GUIDE DOG to guide them around, I really don't want them carrying a deadly weapon around. Even if they're VERY careful, its just not safe. There WILL be accidents where people are killed, and I don't think that the value of someone getting to kill an animal should outrank knowing that a human being will die as a result of this.

Capitcha: Lawsuit. Thats what I imagine would be yet another outcome of this.

Re:Legally Blind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215580)

I have no faith that anyone considered 'legally blind' can tell the difference between ME and large game at any distance.

First question after the shot? (4, Funny)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215242)

Did I hit anything?

Re:First question after the shot? (5, Funny)

eck011219 (851729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215466)

Or more to the point ...

"Bob, did I hit anything? Bob? Bob?"

How bout cars too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215244)

"A blind person can drive a car with a passenger seat. This allows their companion beside them to help them sight the road, but the blind person can press the peddles and steer."

Only in Texas.

PS. Daily Show [comedycentral.com] covered something similar (can't find the original segment, but clips of it are in the video)

Objection, your honor! (5, Funny)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215268)

I am a Texan, and I seriously do object to the characterization of my state as "hunting-besotted". Note: this post is not intended to be humorous. I am aware that most (at least I hope) people will recognize this characterization as hyperbole, but from many other things that I have read and heard, there remain a significant number of people who will not. Therefore, while I am certainly not demanding that nobody ever say this about Texas, I do wish to speak up and be heard when I assert that this is, in fact, hyperbole. Hyperbole has its place in satire and parody (and other forms of mockery), but it should be countered (as opposed to censored or removed) unless it is known that everyone recognizes it as satire and parody. Texas is not "hunting-besotted".

Attention MODS (1, Redundant)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215468)

Modding the parent post "Funny" would be funny.

Re:Objection, your honor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215488)

Texas is as hunting-besotted as your post is riddled with poor English.

Re:Objection, your honor! (2, Interesting)

shawnmchorse (442605) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215554)

I'm a Texan as well, though I do live in Austin which is probably the most liberal city you'll find in Texas. I've heard our city described as being surrounded by an "asshole donut", referring to the fact that Austin is an island of liberal Democrats completely surrounded by conservative Republicans. Those of us who live in such islands don't necessarily realize that the majority of the state is in fact quite enamored of hunting, guns, pick-up trucks, country music, Republicans, etc. Even growing up in San Antonio, I had a friend in high school get expelled because he went hunting over the weekend and forgot to take the rifle out of his vehicle when he drove to school on Monday. So yes, I'd unfortunately agree with the overall depiction of Texas as "hunting-besotted" even though there are certainly many exceptions to that.

Hmm.... I think I see what's going on here... (1)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215276)

This is all part of a larger plan to increase the pool of Iraq recruits.

"No... don't you worry Bud, I'm right behind you .."

jesus (0, Flamebait)

snarfbot (1036906) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215280)

next theyll suggest they should be allowed to drive, with a sighted passenger riding shotgun. what the hell is the world coming to, canada is looking mighty inviting lately.

What's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215282)

What's next? Blind men having a déjà vu's?

I may be blind... (2, Informative)

ifchairscouldtalk (1031944) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215286)

... but I don't see the logic of it.

In other news... (1)

TwoScoopsOfPig (900069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215294)

...Dick Cheney has announced his failing sight.

...but why? (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215296)

ok charlie, thats the wind blowing not cars silly. you hear that thing that sounds like my ex wife? well, thats actually a big fat moose. i got you lined up. fire at will.

Lots of FUD here (2, Insightful)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215300)

I fail to see why a blind person shouldn't be able to hunt when they've got a non-blind person looking through the sights for them. Many of you that don't come from big hunting areas won't understand why a blind person would want to go hunting, but those of us in hunting states (WI here) know that hunting is more about family and friends than just shooting an animal. I don't hunt myself, but if I did, I wouldn't care if there were blind hunters out there observing proper safety techniques. No hunter should shoot without knowing what they're aiming at, and a blind hunter is no exception.

Re:Lots of FUD here (1, Funny)

microbee (682094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215420)

but those of us in hunting states (WI here) know that hunting is more about family and friends than just shooting an animal

I read it as "(hunting is) more about shooting family and friends than just animal".

No wonder.

Re:Lots of FUD here (1)

MoreBonez (968956) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215494)

Many of you that don't come from big hunting areas won't understand why a blind person would want to go hunting, but those of us in hunting states (WI here) know that hunting is more about family and friends than just shooting an animal.
Oh, then I suggest the blind go camping.

In this Fark? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215330)

Why is this here?

Still no cure for cancer. Boobies! It's a trap!

Old Gallagher line (2, Insightful)

eck011219 (851729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215366)

I think it was Gallagher who was talking about this years ago, and he said, "when you're walking through the forest, how do you make a sound that's NOT like a rabbit?"

Hmmm... (1)

TwoScoopsOfPig (900069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215372)

As a Texan and a hunter/fisherman, this is both very interesting and worrying to me. When the guide sights in on a hunting buddy who pissed him off the other day, does the blind guy get a charge of A) Negligent Manslaughter B) Murder C) Involuntary Manslaughter or does he get charged as an accomplice in the case, sharing the guide's sentence/charge?

Makes sense... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215374)

I mean, they can't drive... why not let them hunt, how else is a blind Texan supposed to compensate for his lack of penis?

Re:Makes sense... (0, Flamebait)

TwoScoopsOfPig (900069) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215504)

I decline to comment

Asshole.

Robert Heinlein put it best... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215376)

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

(Shrug) I don't see the harm in it. (1, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215388)

I'm not a hunter. I think hunting is icky. I distrust anything that tends to celebrate the enjoyment of bloodshed, even animal bloodshed. I don't own a gun. I think the Second Amendment is talking about the state militia. OK?

But I think that hunters have the right to hunt as long as they aren't harming other human beings. I don't care for it but there are lots of things people do that I don't like that fall under the heading of "none of my business."

Now, letting the blind hunt sounds like a joke. But, given the same degree of responsibility and care, I don't see a blind-plus-sighted hunting team would be any more dangerous to human bystanders than a sighted hunter.

I think the main danger is from hunters whose judgement is impaired e.g. because of alcohol, and frankly I think this is less likely to happen in the situation as described, which requires a good deal of cooperation and trust between the parties concerned. I don't think a blind person would want to entrust an intoxicated person to lead him around for long distances on uneven ground. I don't think a sighted person would want to share a loaded firearm with an intoxicated person.

So, I don't see the harm in it. It seems weird to me, but it's none of my business. More power to 'em.

by the same logic (2, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215408)

Meanwhile, bills are being introduced that will allow middle-school drop-outs to teach high school as long as they are paired with someone with a teaching degree telling them what to say, allow 5-year-olds to drive cars as long as they have an adult to work the pedals for them, and formally entitle idiots to run for governor (and then president) as long as they "surround themselves with the right people".

Why hunt? (5, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215446)

Among hunters, hunting is a lot more than pulling a trigger and killing something. It's more about the very primal action of pursuing an animal for food. (Most hunters I know do in fact eat what they kill). It takes a lot of skill, and years to learn: where and when the animals gather, how to sit quietly and patiently, how to observe. All of those are skills you once had to develop if you wanted to eat.

The ultimate kill with a rifle is only the very end of the process. It's kinder than the older methods, such as a bow and arrow, which often wound an animal without killing it, and you have to track it to put it out of its misery. A rifle can drop an animal immediately.

If you eat meat, you can hardly claim that having somebody else kill your dinner puts you on a higher moral plane, especially if you've seen the way animals are treated in our factory-farms. Hunting puts you directly in touch with what you're eating, guts and blood and all.

So it sounds silly at first blush, but the blind can be active participants in a hunt. They still have ears and even noses; they can still be outside; they still eat what they kill; they still have the camaraderie of a hunting party. If the technology lets them participate even more fully in the process, why not?

There are, by the way, an awful lot of hunters who hunt for other reasons. Some will use a lot of high-tech to make it practically shooting fish in a barrel; they seem to care more about the kill than the hunt. I know they exist, but that does not describe most hunters in my experience.

I myself do not hunt, but I limit my animal products when I can to ones I believed were raised and slaughtered humanely.

I'm a Texan, this is a serious bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215450)

This is already legal in Michigan [findarticles.com] .

This bill will not decrease hunting safety, except maybe for the animals who would otherwise go un-killed. I am surprised and somewhat insulted to see this story poo-poohed in the press.

This was considered seriously in the last legislative session after a would-be hunter couldn't get a license due to blindness. Texas keeps its legislative sessions short and it's not unusual for a bill to die because of the calendar.

Expect this bill to pass.

Hunting is unethical (1)

Toby The Economist (811138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215480)

Killing creatures for *recreation* is fundamentally unethical because the hunter is inflicting suffering as a part of merely obtaining recreation.

It's absurd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215486)

So, it's absurd. Does that make it news on slashdot? Apparently, it does.

Blind hunting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215500)

My son has a friend who is totally blind. They go into the woods whenever they get a chance. My son's friend loves to shoot sling shots, airsoft guns, paint ball guns and arrows. At first, I thought this was a bad idea, but as long as my son's friend has a sighted person with him, he doesn't have a problem. I'm not sure he ever hits anything, but he has a lot of fun.
After being around this guy a while, I realized there aren't a lot of things he can't do.

Why not, if it is safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215540)

Did you know that there is equipment that allows the blind to do target shooting? The version I've seen discussed on the web uses an optical sighting device, and sound feedback to the shooter (the sound changes as they get closer to the bulls-eye). It turns out that even with such a sighting device, target shooting is still very very difficult, because the real problem in accuracy is not eyesight, but muscle control (in particular the interaction of moving the trigger finger with holding the gun steady). I've heard that blind target shooters can achieve respectable scores using this technique, although the traditional Mark I eyeball is still much preferable.

If there is a technological solution that allows blind people to sensibly go hunting, and do so safely, why the heck shouldn't they do it? Clearly, the technical difficulties are much higher for hunting, as a blind person is unable to locate the game by sight, may have great difficulty getting into the forest and navigate in there. As an extreme example, if a helper has to go into the forest, find the game, aim the rifle, clean the game, and transport it back out, and all the blind person is doing is sitting in a warm office, listening over a walkie-talkie, and pressing the trigger button when told to do so, that would indeed be silly, and should not be considered hunting at all.

As a less extreme example: In many (most?) states, it is illegal to hunt from a vehicle (meaning it is illegal to discharge the gun while still in the vehicle). Some states have special exceptions that allow wheelchair-bound hunters to shoot from their vehicles. I think this is perfectly reasonable, if safety precautions are followed.

Blind Hunters (1)

Barney D. Dinosaur (1039110) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215548)

Can't do any worse than Chaney (Vice President) did in the same state.

Online Hunting (1)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215610)

Now they just need to combine it with this: http://p2pnet.net/story/4447 [p2pnet.net]

Michigan too (1)

dark_requiem (806308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215614)

Texas isn't the first state to allow blind hunting. Michigan has been doing this for quite some time, basically the same rules, except the blind guy needs a laser scope so the sighted companion can be sure where he's pointing. Incidentally, David Sedaris did a great comedy bit about this, and pointed out that Michigan was even crazier than Texas. Not any more.

Allow the Blind to hunt... (1)

CoolCat23 (923066) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215628)

You'll see one day they'll allow morons to be elected... hey, wait !

mod 04 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215658)

stand anymore, the hard drive to this misTake or also dead, its

I'm at a loss (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215688)

What will a blind person get as a reward for killing something? If your companion is there with you, how will they feel in danger at any time? Do they still experience the thrill of the hunt, when they can't see the deer standing out in the field? When deer don't move they are quite silent.

Don't get me wrong. If a blind man or woman wants to hunt, I guess I could see it as long as they are with someone that can spot down range and see that there are no houses there, but it still comes down to the aspect that they are not the one's sighting it in. Sure they are controlling their breathing for accuracy and pulling the trigger, but who's to blame if the gun slips and richocets off a rock into the companions skull?

Wouldn't they get the same thrill by going to a target range?

Two words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17215700)

Hell no!

RTFA (1)

Mini-Geek (915324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215710)

Seriously, people, at least read the snippet that /. posted before you slam and make fun of this idea!

As the article says, it would allow a blind person to have a seeing companion that would get the target in sight, and allow the blind hunter to pull the trigger. It would not be a safety hazard IMHO. I think it would do as the lawmaker is suggesting and open the fun of hunting to more people.

And yes, I'm from Texas.

interesting (1)

jdcope (932508) | more than 7 years ago | (#17215720)

I didnt know it was actually illegal for the blind to hunt.

It seems silly, and not exactly smart, but I didnt know it was against the law.

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