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Sad news Subhash Chander has died (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17238752)

For 60-year-old Subhash Chander, teaching at Penn State was more than just a job -- it was a passion.

"I know he loved to teach," Ankit Chander said about his father who passed away Sunday. "He really enjoyed the actual teaching of it beyond just preparation. I know he enjoyed his time at Penn State."

Chander died Sunday at Mt. Nittany Medical Center after experiencing some discomfort while taking a walk, according to Sarma Pisupati, one of his co-workers at Penn State. The cause of death is still unknown.

As a professor of mineral processing and geo-environmental engineering, Chander was respected by many of his colleagues.

"He didn't say much, but when he did, it was very wise," Sarma Pisupati, associate professor of energy and geo-environmental engineering, said. "He wasn't a loud person who liked to make jokes. He just liked to listen."

Pisupati said Chander will be missed in more places than just the classroom.

"He and I are both from India, so I saw him very active in the community," he said. "He was always a very pleasant person."

Chander joined Penn State's mineral processing faculty in 1983 after he spent time at University of California-Berkeley, and the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur.

He became a full professor at Penn State in 1989. This semester he was teaching GEOEE 404 (Surface and Interfacial Phenomena in Geo-Environmental Systems) and has taught various mineral processing courses in past semesters.

He was a founding member of the Geo-Environmental Engineering

program and served as the first director of Penn State's Center for Sustainable Mining with Penn State's Alliance for Earth Sciences Engineering and Development in Africa.

"He had been to Africa," said Ankit, who lives in Baltimore. "He had a recent trip planned, but he won't get to go. He's been all over the world to every continent except Antarctica. There's been a lot of international people emailing me. He had friends almost everywhere."

Associate professor of mineral processing Mku Ityokumbul said Chander displayed a very unselfish attitude while working with other faculty members in the College of Earth and Mineral Sciences' Energy and Geo-Environmental Engineering Department.

"He was always willing to help other people," Ityokumbul said. "I would work on projects and he would discuss them with me. He would have an idea and he would look at how he could work on it with others rather than taking credit for something himself."

Ankit said his father was well-liked by the students he taught and received Penn State's Wilson Distinguished Teaching Award.

"His students loved him. Both my sister [Charu] and I went to Penn State," Ankit said. " I never had him in class. I'm not crazy. His classes are hard."

Chandler is also survived by his wife, Neera.

Contributions in his memory may be sent to Mineral Processing Division Scholarship Fund, SME, 8307 Shaffer Parkway, Littleton, CO 80127 or CARE, P.O. Box 1871, Merrifield, VA 22116-9753.

Um...KnoppMyth? (4, Insightful)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238766)

How, other than being based on Fedora, is this any different from KnoppMyth? It runs as a LiveCD and will then (if you want it to) install itself onto your hard drive, doing all the requisite steps.

I'm not panning MythDora, but it just doesn't seem totally unique, unless I'm missing some critical thing about it.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (5, Informative)

rGauntlet (54921) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238896)

Well, right now MythDora using Myth 0.20 and KnoppMyth (Which I use, and prefer) is on 0.19. Aside from the Debian vs Fedora, that's the main difference I think. The issue I had with MythDora was that it ships with a single-processor kernel, SMP disabled. KnoppMyth worked with my simple SMP rig right outta the box, no recompilation required. If you care and find yourself with nothing better to do, and trust me there are far better things to do, my read on it is on my website [yeraze.com].

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (0)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239116)

Well, why would you be intending to setup a mythtv box using multiple cpus?
Most people using such machines, want something small and quiet....

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

rGauntlet (54921) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239278)

Maybe you're right.. But I was using the hardware I had available at the moment, and surprisingly it is rather quiet.. But a single 533Mhz Celeron isn't really "up to par" for recording, commercial tagging, re-encoding, DVD burning, etc. Dual CPU handles it alot better.

Maybe once I get a corporate sponsorship deal I can upgrade to something better ;-)

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (4, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239408)

For a backend machine that will be performing recording, commercial detection, and transcoding, possibly of one or even multiple HD streams simultaneously?

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (2, Insightful)

urbanriot (924981) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239680)

... there's this little mobile CPU called the "core duo" which would be great for a very powerful, very small and very quiet as a multimedia system.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

thedbp (443047) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239902)

>... there's this little mobile CPU called the "core duo" which would be great for a very powerful, very small and very quiet as a multimedia system.

exactly! [apple.com]

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

wezzul (813900) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239654)

My problem with Knoppmyth is that it automatically installs an SMP kernel, regardless of if you have dual processors/cores or not. I was getting issues with the SMP kernel and ACPI errors, so had to recompile with SMP support disabled, which resolved it.

Aside from that, I'm not exactly sure how MythDora is news (unless it comes with preset schedules for a popular children's program [wikipedia.org]), other than it is some other new specialized distribution that does the exact same thing as another. Knoppmyth will eventually upgrade to 0.20 and then the only difference will be the underlying distribution, and for my money, Debian is far better than Fedora, simply because of how often Fedora is EOL'd.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (2, Informative)

harryk (17509) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239858)

From the MythDora website, atleast with this release, they are indeed using an SMP kernel. Perhaps an upgrade is in order. It would be of my opinion that since they are effectively releasing a new distro, they should update the yum repositories to reflect their own, so that performing a 'yum upgrade' would grab packages based specifically on their distro as opposed to the raw Fedora distro. just a thought

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238914)

AFAIK KnoppMyth hasn't been upgraded from Myth 0.19 to Myth 0.20, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

York the Mysterious (556824) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239484)

The standard branch is still at .19 with fixes. Tester branch is .20. Sign up to be a tester.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240054)

I prefer to compile MythTV from source instead of using a packaged distro - it gives me as much flexibility as I want, and in my experience MythTV isn't that difficult to get working. Plus it keeps me from being tied to a particular distro - my master backend and a 2nd backend are both on Debian, while my frontend is a FC 4 box. I'm researching building a dedicated frontend for my entertainment center, and maybe one of these prepackaged distros will seem more appropriate there.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17238918)

>How, other than being based on Fedora, is this any different from KnoppMyth?

Knoppmyth is not yet at version 0.20.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

montyzooooma (853414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238926)

"How, other than being based on Fedora, is this any different from KnoppMyth? "

Well for one thing hopefully it'll work with SATA drives without having to jump through hoops.

Agreed, the biggest problem with installing myth (2)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239010)

Isn't the general mythtv installation - it's the driver installation for all your hardware (most specifically, Lirc). The only way I really see a tool like this being groundbreaking is if they manage to stick a great GUI on top of Lirc setup (which is quite a bit more difficult than a graduate quantum chemistry course). Lirc aside, mythtv setup is fairly trivial these days. And excuse me for wanting Knoppix (a distribution time-tested at dynamically picking up new hardware) as the foundation rather than Fedora for a system that is very dependent on picking up all the necessary hardware.

That being said, I put it on top of a gentoo system, and backed up my /etc and my kernel/.config the second I finally got all the driver crap working ;)

Re:Agreed, the biggest problem with installing myt (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239542)

which is quite a bit more difficult than a graduate quantum chemistry course

Huh? I had both a serial port IR emitter and transmitter working easily (heck, the blaster worked on the first try). Configuration of the receiver was a matter of running irrecord and following the instructions, and then tweaking the lirc key mappings until I was happy with them.

Honestly, I have no idea why people have so much trouble getting lirc working.

Because not all the hardware is that simple (1)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239692)

I bought an IR Blaster and had it working fairly quickly, though I had to search the web to find the appropriate configuration file for my satellite box (which I couldn't find, but I found a "close-enough" model). To get the remote working though, I was trying to use ATI's USB remote, which was supposed to be supported. After talking to the Lirc developers who actually wrote the ATI support, and hanging around IRC channels for a couple days asking supposed "experts" who were baffled, I finally gave in and just started using a Hauppauge remote that required line-of-sight, and had less keys.

People have so much trouble because it is horribly documented, and there are tons of things to go wrong in the driver process, from the kernel-module lever to the userland software. The user-side software also has horrible error returns, so you can't figure out at what point it's breaking (since the kernel module rarely reports any errors when modprobe'ing it). Even the gentoo how-to pages which are normally excellent proved insufficient.

Lirc is a pain-in-the-ass unless you bought hardware specifically to go along with the how-to or tutorials you were using to install it, because the generic documentation is insufficient for specific cases.

Re:Because not all the hardware is that simple (2, Insightful)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240100)

...started using a Hauppauge remote that required line-of-sight...

Excuse me if I'm missing something, but what kind of IR remote doesn't require line of sight?

Re:Because not all the hardware is that simple (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240346)

Excuse me if I'm missing something, but what kind of IR remote doesn't require line of sight?

An RF remote.

Re:Because not all the hardware is that simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17240848)

Erm....

Excuse me if I'm missing something, but what kind of IR remote doesn't require line of sight?

Re:Because not all the hardware is that simple (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240988)

Yes, but the original poster never said the ATI was an IR remote. They only complained that the Hauppage was, and thus required line of site. Thus, one can surmise the ATI was an RF remote.

The GP may not have understood this, hence my response. And if he *did*, then he's just being tediously pedantic.

RF to IR relay. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240388)

I think when he was talking about a "USB remote" earlier in his comment, he meant an RF-based wireless remote. The Harmony 890 is one like this. It has a base station which is a RF receiver and IR transmitter, so you can use the remote anywhere in a 100' radius and the base station will relay the remote's commands to the appropriate device via IR.

So it's basically: [Remote] -> RF -> [Base Station] -> IR -> [Device]

I've never used the Harmony series, but they also have USB interfaces, for programming. Maybe there are even some where you can plug the receiver directly into a compatible device using USB, and skip the IR step (not sure if they work like that though).

Re:Because not all the hardware is that simple (1)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240674)

As other posters point out, an RF remote, which LIRC also covers despite the fact that its acronym suggests it might not.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

Whyzzi (319263) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239160)

unless I'm missing some critical thing about it.

Well, KnoppMyth doesn't run as a live CD distro (although I have yet to play with R5D1), and KnoppMyth runs MythTV 0.19 (not 0.20 like MythDora). That would be about the only critical parts you're missing...

I've been trying to get MythTV working on some older hardware (Celeron 1100A, 512MB RAM). My biggest stumbling block has been trying to get sound working - stupid Asus TV/FM 7135 (SAA7134 driver), stupid cheap Audigy SE (CA106 Alsa), annoying blob of NVidia binary drivers. I digress. Anyway, I think I'm getting real close to having the config settings correct.

KnoppMyth as a LiveCD (1)

norminator (784674) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239818)

KnoppMyth will run a frontend system as a LiveCD. Obviously, for the backend part, it would have to be installed, but KnoppMyth does have LiveCD functionality.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

infochuck (468115) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239188)

It's different because it's current; KnoppMyth is typically a few versions behind (I think they're still on Mythtv 0.17). It's not totally unique, just different, newer and it doesn't use Knoppix.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

xsecrets (560261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240936)

ok I'll admit that knoppmyth is one version behind right now it's on 0.19 and that's just because there were some BIG changes to get 0.20 going which are still in testing at the moment. You will notice it took mythdora quite a while to get it's 0.20 version out as well.

Knoppmyth has never to my knowledge been more than one version behind the official mythtv release, and it usually has a new release integrated in a month or two max. It's just that this one had some larger hurdles.

MythBuntu would be cool (3, Insightful)

Shawn is an Asshole (845769) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239308)

Nothing against MythDora, but after getting burned by Fedora far too many times I don't want to go near anything Fedora-based. Basing off of Ubuntu would rock.

Re:MythBuntu would be cool (3, Interesting)

strick1226 (62434) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241194)

Just recently, I did try an Ubuntu Edgy combo backend/frontend setup on another machine (my main box runs KnoppMyth).

I found it to be incredibly easy to setup, and there are some pretty good guides ready for anyone with the interest:

http://https//help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/ [https]

For what it's worth, I did try setting up my backend about 1.5 years ago with Debian, but the dependencies and everything proved to be a bit too painful for my use. I settled on using KnoppMyth and I have to give the guys credit--it's hard to imagine getting a MythTV setup much easier than it provides. Great scripts and utilities, plus the most important thing--a good community with lots of helpful folks in the forums.

As easy as Edgy was to get going, I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the lines of MythUbuntu or UbuMyth showing up sometime soon.

Re:MythBuntu would be cool (1)

spectro (80839) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241396)

Just what I thought, something light and solid like Xubuntu. Anybody doing it already?

I've been using Knoppmyth for about two years and I've been putting off upgrading until they come out with 0.20 distro (with 2.6.18 kernel and ivtv 0.8.x). I downloaded mythdora and I was about to set it up this weekend, I am glad I procrastinated on it since it seems you need to go through way more startup config steps than with KnoppMyth. Capture cards were autodetected by knoppmyth when I installed it two years ago and it seems the whole process is even simpler now.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (2, Informative)

harryk (17509) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239548)

Just a thought, I think someone else might have noted it though... KnoppMyth, while being stable, is out of date, atleast currently. Which is unfortunate because I think using the knoppmyth as a live CD for the front-end works great, assuming you have a .19 backend.

The other thing to note is that the 'live' CD is only good for the front-end. I've read on the site that they are trying to get a back-end running on a CD, but I think its still under development.

just my 2cents
harryk

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239832)

I haven't tried for at least a year, but last time I checked the Knoppix HDD install was in beta and very buggy. Knoppix distros aren't good for much more than LiveCD boots.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (2, Informative)

businessnerd (1009815) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239960)

Other than some of the arguments already stated about Knoppmyth using an older version of MythTV, there are other reasons that MythDora is a good thing. I am currently running MythTV on a Fedora Core 4 x86_64 system. It took me a couple tries to get to a point where I could live with it, and one of those tries was Knoppmyth. Since I was having so much trouble getting things configured properly (remote, some DVD issues, etc.) I decided to give KnoppMyth a try in hopes that it would be a simple and quick setup that would not require any further tweaking. Unfortunately, I have some unique hardware that interfered with this theory. First, while SATA is technically supported, it isn't supported very well. I had to jump through some hoops to get it to work. Also, my monitor is an old Gateway Destination monitor which is just a 27" CRT that weighs more than Texas. KnoppMyth did not like this monitor and all text was incredbly small and illegible. Tweaking with X and with resolutions didn't solve the problem so I went back to Fedora, where I knew all of my hardware was supported. Doing the Fedora install a third time went a lot smoother than the first and a lot of the original problems went away and I had a very usable system. It's been chugging along nicely for almost a year now with some small quirks. Lirc doesn't work, but the arrow keys and number pad have equivalents on the remote control, so i can navigate the interface, select options and change the channel without a problem. Exiting things requires the keyboard. I will be doing some hardware upgrades soon, and will probably do a fresh install. I will seriously be looking a MythDora because I know that because it's fedora based, hardware compatibility will not be an issue and hopefully things like Lirc will function better out of the box. Furthermore, since I also use this system as a media server to my other computers, I will need to do some further tweaking of my own. Since Fedora is the distro I know best, especially for some of the backend server type of things, I will be more confident that all of my server needs will be taken care of quickly with less down time trying to figure out the ins and outs of a Debian distro.

Plus, competition is good. KnoppMyth does the same thing, essentially, but MythDora does it differently, which may be good for some and bad for others. But the good thing is that we have this choice.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17240020)

MythDora is better suited to recording Dora The Explorer videos?

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

siwelwerd (869956) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240774)

How about because it actually works? I'm no Fedora fan, but when I tried Knoppmyth my machine wouldn't boot after I installed it. MythDora worked virtually instantly. It even took care of the TV-out on my PVR-350 card, something I'd never been able to get to work when I tried Myth under Gentoo.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241742)

Apparently, "your mileage may vary". Many people seem to have a flawless experience with Knoppmyth, but I had a similar experience to your's where it just wasn't playing nice with my pcHDTV card and some other stuff. Using the instructions from the guy who follows the Fedora releases and some other web docs I had a reasonably uneventful .19 install in the course of the learning curve,

That _is_ an admission. My other handfull of machines are Debian and I use Knoppix disks all the time so Knoppmyth would have been desirable.

So I welcome this release. When I hose my first attempt at a Fedora 5/.20 upgrade, I can give it a try (instead of/before) a restore ;)

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241144)

I think a little variety can help. When I tried Knopmyth, it simply wasn't compatible with my computer with an Intel workstation chipset, despite the fact that the chipset was over three years old at the time. If I had another option to try, then it might have helped.

I have done an install of Myth on Fedora, but it's 95% done and I left it that way for a long time because there was some setup stoff that needed to be finished that I couldn't get to work reliably. Eventually I just gave up and bought an EyeTV for my Mac. It's probably not as good as Myth but at least the installation was quick and simple.

Re:Um...KnoppMyth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17241276)

Looks like MythDora isn't a bootable CD/DVD distro, either (where KnoppMyth is). This is a shame.

I'm waiting on KnoppMyth to move to 0.20 so I can use my office laptop (the only other fast-enough machine in the house) to debug my HD Backend setup before sinking the bucks into a beautiful dedicated frontend.

Crazy kids and their (Myth)Dora (4, Funny)

theGil (1010409) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238798)

Enseñemos a nuestros cabritos a utilizar Linux con Dora!

Re:Crazy kids and their (Myth)Dora (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240648)

Map says we should get a computer, get a TV, and run MythDora. Say it with me:
Computer, TV, Run MythDora
Again
Computer, TV, Run MythDora

Re:Crazy kids and their (Myth)Dora (1)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240762)

"Enseñemos a nuestros cabritos a utilizar Linux con Dora!"

I have to go ask my kids what the hell that means.

Typo: Myth is at .20 not 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17238800)

Typo: Myth is at .20 not 2.0

Re:Typo: Myth is at .20 not 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17239416)

Also, the current version is 0.20, not 0.2. Version 0.2 was released in July, 2002.

Check it out, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17238810)

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lessons 4 u. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17239000)

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Re:lessons 4 u. (0)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17239440)

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Why does Myth think it's an OS (3, Interesting)

gr8_phk (621180) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238840)

Why not just install Fedora and then "yum install mythtv"? Why has installation of Myth always been non-trivial? Now it's to the point where someone would rather format and install the entire OS...

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (4, Informative)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239020)

There are many dependencies needed to provide a fully-functional set-top box affair - video codecs, players, DVD apps, games, tuner card drivers, version of X, fonts issues etc. Even an educated linux user can find a mythtv install daunting, so packages like this are a godsend.

Also I'd imagine that most mythtv installs are deployed on single-use machines - the set-top box that does TV and nothing else. Thus Knoppmyth or this example are very much useful. Just slap it on and go.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240374)

Daunting? I still have nightmares *shivers*

(Although that was on Debian, which is not the easiest platform to install MythTV on, by a long way)

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239144)

Why has installation of Myth always been non-trivial?

Since every mythtv box might be unique in terms of hardware and sofware configurations, things might be complex at installation. The options for the TV card alone are numerous. Also MythTV has many options that you could or could not install. Like I use the MythWeather but not the phone. If everything was the same everytime, you could just put in a CD and run do a yum install and it would be done.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (5, Informative)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239230)

Because there are so many extra components you need. Outside media players, codec libraries, driver packages, various MPEG decoding/encoding libraries, etc, etc.

I tried getting MythTV installed from the Knoppix disc. Plenty of things didn't work. It took me a few days to track down DVD playback problems. I then had to mess with getting the NVIDIA binary drivers installed and xconf configured properly. And then after that I still didn't have sound support (lack of drivers for my onboard soundcard). Oh, and I still had to deal with subscribing to a program guide service (with a one month renewal process). It got to the point where it was no longer worth my time. $150 for Windows MCE, and $40 for the NVIDIA mpeg encoder and I was up and running with everything working within a few hours.

People who want to use MythTV or Windows MCE, for the most part want it run as a dedicated Tivo-like appliance. They are going to be doing little if any desktop computing on it. For that reason, it makes perfect sense to have a full OS configured specifically for it, with default large fonts and display in the GUI, drivers and codecs pre-installed for most media types, auto-boot directly into the TV/Media interface, etc.

Sure, it's nice to be able to install something like this on top of your pre-existing, pre-configured OS. But for most people who want to use this technology, they'd rather wipe the machine and start clean.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1, Flamebait)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239450)

Perhaps you should try a distribution with some sort of half decent package management. I run gentoo, to install mythtv (compiling from source no less) it is as simple as: # emerge mythtv Most modern distributions have some sort of good package management, where you don't even have to think about all the problems you list. And as to your comment: "I then had to mess with getting the NVIDIA binary drivers installed and xconf configured properly." No you didn't. For simple TV viewing as you suggest, you can use the vesa X11 drivers and it'll output on every possible output. And if you do decide to go the nvidia route, the binary installer itself will configure your xorg.conf for you. You seem to be trying to serve some type of agenda with these complaints, or are just completely incompetent at linux.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (4, Insightful)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239852)

No you didn't. For simple TV viewing as you suggest, you can use the vesa X11 drivers and it'll output on every possible output


And how was I supposed to know this. Why wouldn't I assume that the NVidia drivers are going to be the best solution for my NVidia card? And knowing this obscure technical item doesn't mean I know the obscure solutions to the other problems, let alone the problems I anticipated having (like optical digital audio support or swapping out the analogue CRT TV for a digital LCD with HD) that I never even got to the point of being able to work on.

Sure, I could have spent a lot more time finding solutions to all the issues that I had. And I probably would have figured them out eventually and increased my knowledge of Linux at the same time. But there comes a point where I don't have time, and a commercial solution becomes much more attractive. I would have loved to have the OSS solution in place. And in the future, when I would really want some of the MythTV-only features (like one machine doing the recording/storage, and as many front-end devices as I'd like) I'll probably come back and take another look at it.

It's like the old adage: "Linux is only free if your time isn't worth anything."

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240412)

It's like the old adage: "Linux is only free if your time isn't worth anything."

Or if you enjoy spending your time hacking hardware and software. I happen to, and so Myth is quite fun for me. Obviously, not everyone will feel the same.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17240580)

It's like the old adage: "You're a fucking n00b, you Windows-using, closed-minded fool."

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17240636)

Awwww, did someone get his widdle feewings hurt?

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17240758)

"I would have loved to have the OSS solution in place. And in the future, when I would really want some of the MythTV-only features (like one machine doing the recording/storage, and as many front-end devices as I'd like) I'll probably come back and take another look at it."

You might consider taking a look at mediaportal (http://www.team-mediaportal.com/ [team-mediaportal.com]). It is OSS, easy to set up and use, has an active development team, and shortly will be on par with myth-tv's client-server design with the next version. The main drawback is that you would still have to run windows.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241108)

Sure, I could have spent a lot more time finding solutions to all the issues that I had. And I probably would have figured them out eventually and increased my knowledge of Linux at the same time. But there comes a point where I don't have time, and a commercial solution becomes much more attractive. I would have loved to have the OSS solution in place. And in the future, when I would really want some of the MythTV-only features (like one machine doing the recording/storage, and as many front-end devices as I'd like) I'll probably come back and take another look at it.

I fully sympathise with your point of view, but here's something to keep in mind. The time and effort you invest into learning most anything on a *nix system will keep you in good stead for years to come. Moreover, that knowledge is often transferrable to other platforms or other environments, and will ultimately expand your understand of computing in general. I'd bet my last dollar that, by contrast, the sum knowledge of most Windows users, including those who have been using it since the DOS days, is a long list of trivia concerning the interface and the registry. And for those who expanded their horizons, perhaps some VB scripting. ;-)

It's like the old adage: "Linux is only free if your time isn't worth anything."

Yeah, but you get back everything you put into it. And more. A better adage would be: "Hard to learn, but easy to use."

Vesa drivers don't do MPEG-2 decode, do they? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240588)

The problem with using the Vesa or other OSS drivers is that they don't support proprietary features of some NVidia cards, like accelerated MPEG-2 decoding. If you're trying to use an older set of hardware for your STB (like an older Celeron, or something else that can be easily passively cooled), and have a TV tuner card that records to MPEG-2 (like the WinTV PVR 150/350 series) this is a major issue. Offloading the decompression to the GPU saves a lot of CPU cycles.

If there are OSS drivers that support these features, then I'll agree with you that there's no reason to screw around with the NVidia binary ones, but every piece of documentation I've read says that you are better off using the Nvidia drivers with an Nvidia card, in order to get good video performance.

Whoever modded the parent post as flamebait is (1)

Smeagel (682550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240798)

an idiot.

There was no flamebait at all in there, I answered all of the problems he suggested exist (which don't), and then proposed he must have some kind of agenda to suggest they do. I'm guessing it's an idiot who also couldn't figure out how to install a fairly simple-to-install application, and instead decided to waste their money and buy a proprietary piece of crap to produce crappy DRM'ed files.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241158)

Upgrade your MCE box... install MediaPortal on it.

Works far better with way more features.

Mediaportal is so much better than MCE It's silly to pay the premium and have a wonky XP install (Yes MCE is a wonky XP install not PRO and that is silly in their design)

My biggest problem with Myth is that the menus are wierd, non intuitive and not customizable. I want to remove the TV functions as I only view video content I snake over the network... Myth takes an advanced programmer to do that, MEdiaportal takes 2 clicks and I can also reorganize as I see fit.

MCE you are stuck with what MSFT wants you to see and DRM on all your recordings.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (2)

N0decam (630188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241198)

People who want to use MythTV or Windows MCE, for the most part want it run as a dedicated Tivo-like appliance.

Speak for yourself - while that's certainly true of my one dedicated frontend, my backend serves as all sorts of server type things (mail, web, database, storage)

I didn't find it overly onerous installing from the gentoo portage, and the feature list can't be beat. It's also nice that I can (and do) run a frontend on any other machine in my house - laptop, mac mini, xbox. There are some rough edges, to be sure, but overall I think it's a damned fine piece of software, and better than a lot of stuff I've paid money for.

If you know linux at all Myth is the way to go. If you don't know linux, or don't like tinkering, MCE is likely the path of least resistance.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

RelaxedTension (914174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241262)

It got to the point where it was no longer worth my time. $150 for Windows MCE, and $40 for the NVIDIA mpeg encoder and I was up and running with everything working within a few hours

Problem with MCE being that you have a 50-50 chance of your recording actually working properly. It simply isn't very stable over the short term term, never mind the long term. Once I get my Myth installs set and stable, I don't worry about at all, and never miss a recording. As well, I get to see the pretty movie posters for all my videos.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239460)

Umm... installing Myth *is* trivial. Installing all the hardware drivers and so forth, not so much. Fortunately, there are resources like Jarod's Myth-on-Fedora HOWTO [wilsonet.com] which make this process much less painless. Personally, I had my backend installed on FC5 in an afternoon. My frontend took a little longer, only because I'm using a fairly recent VIA EPIA board, and so the OpenChrome drivers were a bit troublesome.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

arabagast (462679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239612)

Fortunately, there are resources like Jarod's Myth-on-Fedora HOWTO which make this process much less painless.


You nailed it :)

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240080)

Ha ha ha... doh. :) Sad thing is, it took a couple reads before the typo popped out. Stupid brain...

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (2, Funny)

Hel Toupee (738061) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239718)

there are resources like Jarod's Myth-on-Fedora HOWTO which make this process much less painless.

I've found that many online instructions make things much less painless, also.

Personally, I had my backend installed on FC5 in an afternoon.

I prefer my backend to be installed on the couch most afternoons :)

My frontend took a little longer, only because I'm using a fairly recent VIA EPIA board

I'm not even gonna touch that one.

Seriously, though, good link, and I'm glad it worked out so well for you.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (3, Informative)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240040)

Why has installation of Myth always been non-trivial?

Er, lets see: do you use satellite or terestrial TV? Is that analogue or digital? European-style DVB or the US equivalent? Does your tuner card need a firmware blob to work? Does your tuner card have onboard MPEG decoding? If not, does your video card have MPEG acceleration and is it supported by Xorg? How do you enable TV-out and set it to native PAL or NTSC resolution with sensible overscan? (anybody using a low power Via Epia system as a HTPC should be shuddering here) Analogue sound or passthrough digital? Do you want infra-red control - how would Sir like his buttons mapped? Do you need an IR emitter to control your STM?

I.e. its non-trivial to install because it has an impressively non-trivial feature list and works in many different environments. And, as other people have already posted, the major pain is getting all the hardware drivers working rather than installing Myth itself.

The weakest bit of Myth set-up has historically been DVB "tuning" (i.e. setting the half-dozen parameters for each channel) which got a lot better over the last few releases.

Re:Why does Myth think it's an OS (1)

wesborgmandvm (893569) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240380)

Fedora Myth(TV)ology :: HOWTO [wilsonet.com]:

Do it your self and you can fine tune it. With MythDora It's recommended that you do not do an "apt-get dist-upgrade," "apt-get upgrade" or "yum upgrade" as you run the risk of breaking something.

Jews make child porn using Commie Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17238862)

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My 2 cents (4, Interesting)

rgavril (805158) | more than 7 years ago | (#17238952)

If you're willing to install a linux distribution in your living room you should give Pluto [plutohome.com] a try. It incorporates myth and many more from media to home automation and is a free as in beer Debian based Linux.

It's MythTV 0.20 (1)

Cardoe (563677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239038)

Kudos to the Slashdot editors that totally screwed up the version... And for arguments sake, I hope this is not MythTV 0.20, I hope it's 0.20-fixes. Since the Myth devs never put out a release that's worth anything all of us distro packagers have to constantly keep on top of all the patches that are necessary to actually make MythTV function.

Nothing to see here... This is nothing newer then KnoppMyth but in a Fedora shell.

Re:It's MythTV 0.20 (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240738)

Since the Myth devs never put out a release that's worth anything all of us distro packagers have to constantly keep on top of all the patches that are necessary to actually make MythTV function.

So you're saying it's a bit hit-and-myth then?

Maybe it's just because I have kids... (4, Funny)

Zordak (123132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239112)

The first image that came to mind on reading the title was a MythTV box dedicated to recording episodes of "Dora the Explorer." And then my brain let out a primal scream, because if there is one thing I don't need in my house, it's more Dora.

(totally OT now) (4, Funny)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239216)

I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the map.....

I'M THE MAP!


*proceeds to play Russian roulette with a fully loaded revolver*

Re:Maybe it's just because I have kids... (2, Funny)

mikelieman (35628) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239760)

I see your Dora and raise you the Doodlebops...

Re:Maybe it's just because I have kids... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240796)

...at least with a MythTV setup you can flee to your Den and watch Dr. Who or Battlestar Galactica.

Linux 3.0 ANNOUNCED - ready b y Q1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17239168)

In breaking news, the kernel guys have released 3.0 to the select alpha teams. More news as it becomes availabe. After 7 years, Linux 3.0 is moving along nicely !! Ask if you want to get on 3.0.

DirectFB (1)

soapee01 (698313) | more than 7 years ago | (#17239532)

Does anyone know if MythDora supports a DirectFB install? I can't seem to find any conclusive information on whether Myth 0.2 even supports this anymore.

MTIA

soap

FC5 is obsolete, we're at FC6! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17239868)

Hey, why is this still based on FC5? We're at FC6 now! The main issue I have with these Fedora-derived distros is that they never even come close to keeping up with upstream.

Core 6 mythtv in my living room (2, Informative)

Beelub (252407) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240006)

I'm running a Fedora Core 6 box in my living that runs mythtv full time and is serving me as general purpose linux box. It's working out very well for me, (though admittedly I'm a bachelor and have no wife in charge of my decor). Twinview with myth on the TV and computer stuff on the monitor. With mythweb running, it can't be beat.


It's easy to set up. "yum install mythtv-suite" installs -all- the myth packages including mythweb and such. Pretty minimal configuration involved. I'd say that starting with a blank box I'd just built, it took me about 4 hours to install Fedora and myth both from scratch.

That's pretty quick. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240916)

Just out of curiosity, does that four hours include getting IR support working? From what I hear, getting a working remote control can be a real killer.

If you did, four hours has to be something like a record. You must have really lucked out in terms of hardware compatibility. Any chance you'd want to list your configuration?

MythDora won't install for me. (2, Interesting)

bgarcia (33222) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240272)

I tried installing MythDora on a Dell XPS 410. Didn't work. Knoppmyth wouldn't install either.

The problem is that my desktop has no legacy interfaces. In particular, the DVD drive is SATA, and the keyboard is USB. Knoppmyth and Mythdora cannot currently handle installing from a SATA optical drive. Knoppmyth kindly popped me out to a shell when it couldn't find the installation source directory, but the drivers for the USB keyboard apparently hadn't been loaded, so I couldn't type anything anyhow.

I'm currently installing Myth 0.20 over Fedora Core 6 with the help of the MythTV on Fedora HOWTO [wilsonet.com] by Jarod Wilson. It's been very helpful, but I still find myself spending a lot of time tweaking things to get everything working correctly. MythTV installation is just plain hard.

A little off topic but... (1)

Eric Damron (553630) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240432)

It's great that there are projects out there to setup the software and all but I could use some help in picking the right hardware. I don't want a noisy box rattling away while I'm using MythTV.

Can someone give a few links that allow someone to gather the hardware that will look good, work well and be totally silent?

Myth is frustrating on every out-of-the-box distro (2, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240558)

. . . and considering that Fedora 5 comes with 2.6.16 (at best) it's not likely to fare any better on current-generation hardware. I'd still have to download the vanilla kernel, track down any vendor-specific optimizations, merge those in if the process isn't too time-consuming, then figure out which combination of kernel modules/firmware/tuner settings work with each rev of each card. Combine that with the suck that is Hauppauge -- I bought a PVR-150, chose it over the PVR-500 because I was skeptical and now I'm glad I saved my money on the dual tuner card. With a 500ms or so delay on the display it renders the cable guide totally worthless -- and you have a recipe for a craptacular HTPC. I then ordered an uber-cheap-but-easy-to-configure MSI TV@nywhere, and I had that card up and running in literally five minutes, compared to 3-4 hours of trying various firmware and tuner setting combinations with the Hauppage. Not only that, the MSI does hardware MPEG2 encoding, hardware-assisted MPEG4, plus NO appreciable delay in the display. Not only that, the MSI works with standard TV apps like xawtv and kdetv, whereas the Hauppauge works ONLY with Myth.

Or, install Windows Media Center and have it all work out of the box. MythTV may be GORGEOUS and offer tons and tons of functionality Windows Media Center will never provide, but Windows Media Center can be installed and fully configured out of the box in a half hour to 45 minutes.

I like Myth, really, and plan to put time into getting it to work perfectly, but it's hard to put aside an entire day to devote to setting up a TV/PVR application.

Re:Myth is frustrating on every out-of-the-box dis (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240912)

???

I just went to the driver homepage and selected the option consistent with my kernel version.

More than anything else, it looks a little Mickey Mouse to have different releases for different versions of the 2.6 kernel but it was by no means difficult.

While it will be nice once the ivtv takes it's place with the classic bttv drivers in the kernel and in the distros, the sad fact remains that you can't follow simple instructions. If not for TV dinners and canned foods, you would probably starve.

Re:Myth is frustrating on every out-of-the-box dis (2, Informative)

cesman (74566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241202)

Vendors choose to support Windows because of the large user based. This is no surprise... What is a surprise is that a lot of tuners cards that do work on Windows won't work with MCE. Why is that?

Or, install Windows Media Center and have it all work out of the box. MythTV may be GORGEOUS and offer tons and tons of functionality Windows Media Center will never provide, but Windows Media Center can be installed and fully configured out of the box in a half hour to 45 minutes.
Given hardware that works with Linux, KnoppMyth can be installed in under 30 minutes. One user reported getting it working in 10 minutes. That is from a bare hard drive to watching TV in 10 minutes!

A new KnoppMyth is just around the corner! It is smaller, faster and offers more features. Just be a little more patience folks. The elves are finishing up the work and Santa is tuning the sledge.

Re:Myth is frustrating on every out-of-the-box dis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17241484)

Thanks for all the hard work, cesman.

Typical ! (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 7 years ago | (#17240892)

Here I am installing FC5 as I speak, specifically to set up MythTv.

I have tried getting my tv cards working on a currently installed FC4 but had no real luck, and didn't fancy ruining a perfectly functioning media server just to experiment. The cards definitely work BTW (dvb_bt8xx Zarlink MT352). I have a spare HD so I tried installing a live cd [tlm-project.org] version of PCLinuxOS which has been remastered to concentrate on MythTV. Unfortunately, the damn installer kept complaining that I needed to reboot to make the changes to fstab before I could format the drive. After every reboot the drive was still not set up, and the partitions had been rearranged. When run as a live cd the mythbackend can't write to the dbase because it's on a read only mount point ! So I gave up on that and decided to follow the instructions here [wilsonet.com]. I went for FC5 because I already had it on dvd. But the initial yum update was 700 MB and so it's still running. I haven't got much further yet, so I may investigate this new distro.

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