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New Animated Star Trek In The Works

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the sounds-fine-by-me dept.

Sci-Fi 343

Philias writes "A new web-based Star Trek Animated Series may be in the works. CBS is considering a pitch by veteran Trek producer Dave Rossi for a 'Clone Wars' style animated series for StarTrek.com. Like Clone Wars the episodes would be just a few minutes long. Unlike the old animated Trek show from the 70s, this one would be with a whole new crew set in a new time period. The setting is to be a war-torn post-9/11-like Trek universe 150 years after the time of Picard." From the post: "The Zero Room team felt that the time was right for a new approach to Trek. The setting is the year 2528 and the Federation is a different place after suffering through a devastating war with the Romulans 60 years earlier. The war was sparked off after a surprise attack of dozens of 'Omega particle' detonations throughout the Federation creating vast areas which become impassible to warp travel and essentially cut off almost half the Federation from the rest. During the war the Klingon homeworld was occupied by the Romulans, all of Andoria was destroyed and the Vulcans, who were negotiating reunification with the Romulans, pulled out of the Federation. The setting may seem bleak and not very Trek-like, but that is where the show's hero Captain Alexander Chase comes in."

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Alexander Chase? (2, Insightful)

illegalcortex (1007791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241906)

Dumbest Star Trek captain name, ever.

MOD PARENT UP: INSIGHTFUL (0, Offtopic)

Quintios (594318) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242044)

Sounds like a yuppie from, oh heck, some show I never watched like Melrose Place or something. BLEH.

Re:Alexander Chase? (2, Funny)

originalTMAN (694813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242070)

it's about as bad Dylan Hunt :-)

illegalcortex? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242214)

Dumbest slashdot name, ever.

John McCain: War Whore +1, Patriotic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242438)


Go fuck yourself, Mr. McCain, and your puppet master [whitehouse.org] .

Sincerely,
Philboyd Studge, ex-patriot

Re:Alexander Chase? (1, Funny)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242522)

Dumbest Star Trek captain name, ever.

I agree. They should have called him "Captain Peter Quincy Taggart"

Re:Alexander Chase? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242608)

Exactly: doesn't even have a "j" in the name: James Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard, Benjamin Sisko, Kathryn Janeway.

Maybe they should do a reverse TNG: hire a French actor to play a British captain who's enamored with Voltaire.

His full name is ... (1)

hummassa (157160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242652)

Alexander Jay Chase.

Re:His full name is ... (2, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242682)

Alexander Jay Chase

There you go. See how much better than is?

Re:Alexander Chase? (2, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242902)

Why was the parent modded up? Alexander Chase is no worse than James Tiberious Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard, Kathyrn Janeway, Benjamin Sisko, etc.

And the first time travel episode will be... (5, Funny)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241916)

Can we start a pool on when the first time travel episode will be? I'm betting 5th show of the first season.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (4, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242016)

After the episode airs, I'll come back and replace this post with one that wins the pool.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (2, Funny)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242150)

Can we start a pool on when the first time travel episode will be?


It already happened six episodes ago.

-Grey [wellingtongrey.net]

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (4, Insightful)

stfvon007 (632997) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242160)

Pilot episode, in the first few minutes. The captain and starship will be from the past and get stuck near a black hole. After escaping the black hole, they find it is the future, and the happy life they had and their precious federation is now gone and has become a rough and tumble place with enemies everywhere....

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (1, Redundant)

StonedYoda47 (732257) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242204)

Gene Roddenbury already did that series (postdeath). Wasn't called Andromeda and didn't it suck?

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242258)

It sounded like the pilot to Farscape to me, I don't think that was Roddenbery, I thought it was pretty good, what little I did see. Maybe the pilot to Voyager too.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242492)

Except, you know, in Farscape it was a wormhole, and I am fairly certain there was no time travel. And don't get me started on Voyager...are you sure you are hanging out in the right place, if you cannot keep these simple Sci-Fi details separate.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (4, Informative)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242524)

Season 1 had promise. Complicated universe, diverse characters, a couple good over-arching plotlines. Some rough edges, but go back and watch season 1 of TNG and it is no worse.

Then they decided to be an action show.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242886)

Actually, it was Season 2 that the show really took off. They were just about ready to take the first step in putting the Commonwealth back together when they completely screwed it all up in Season 3. Suddenly and without warning, the Commonwealth is fully organized and funded, and Dylan is playing Hercules in Space with the assistence of a really bad cameraman. It was as if someone took the show and flushed it down the toilet.

Vedran homeworld plot? Gone.
Magog plot? Gone.
Abyss plot? Gone.
The really cool human technologists who became the Commonwealth's enemy? Gone.

I mean, is it even possible to do any more injustice to a show?

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242192)

I fully expect Captain Alexander Chase's ship to be a time ship. It will start with some sort of limitations that seemingly prevents it from being used to solve all problems, but the limititations will be routine flouted by the other writers once the series gets going.

Seriously, I'd like to see a reboot of Star Trek where they declare in one form or another that there is no longer any such thing as time travel, and while I won't ask them to completely discard the idea of multiple universes or "dimensions", to commit to the idea that there are basically a limited number of them, not an infinite number of dimensions in which everything that can happen, does.

To the extent that invalidates earlier continuity.... good! That's kind my point.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242304)

Crap! You beat me to it!

I think it says something about what Trek has become that so many people immediately think of reliance on the tired plot device of time travel when they think of the franchise.

Re:And the first time travel episode will be... (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242744)

If the old Berman crew were still in charge, it'd be the first episode: time travel is the standard dodge of unimaginative SF writers. (There have have been some great TT stories, some even on Star Trek, but the sub-genre is thoroughly mined out. It's only current virtue is that it's paradoxical, so the writer doesn't have to come up with a consistent plot.) But if they've abandoned the warm-and-fuzzy Federation that has been the backdrop of Star Trek since the 60s, then hopefully they're abandoning the tired plot gimmicks too.

Uniforms (1, Funny)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241946)

Are the uniforms still made out of real velour?
On a serious note, this sounds like it might actually
make me interested in Star Trek again. I never really
identified with anything after TNG.

Re:Uniforms (4, Funny)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242028)

Not in the cartoon version, they'll just be made out of pixels arranged to look like velour.

Re:Uniforms (1)

toddbu (748790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242274)

I never really identified with anything after TNG.

What, you didn't like Deep Space 9? Or how about it's cousin Atlantis from the world of Stargate? :-)

Seriously, most sci-fi sucks because it's all about pushing buttons and closing broken steam valves on whatever ship you happen to be flying around on. I find it ironic that in most "adventure" series, the group searching for "new life and new civilizations" rarely ever leaves the set. TNG had a couple of good episodes where the crew actually left their chairs to explore, and I really like the first five seasons of Stargate because they're always out in the woods somewhere. (Yeah, I know, every planet looks just like Vancouver, B.C., but that's a discussion for another day.) Of the few DS9 episodes that I watched, they were so hard-up to get off the space station that they introduced a space ship so that they could fly around to other places. But in my mind, that isn't exploring. And by the way, when the guys running the station were out on the ship, exactly who was in charge back at ole' DS9?

Re:Uniforms (1)

jbrader (697703) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242694)

Seriously, most sci-fi sucks because it's all about pushing buttons and closing broken steam valves on whatever ship you happen to be flying around on.

No, no, no, most sci-fi tv sucks. Books are a whole different ball game.

Seinfeld ... (2, Funny)

hummassa (157160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242764)

"My idea of the perfect living room would be the bridge on the Starship Enterprise. You know what I mean? Big chair, nice screen, remote control.. that's why Star Trek really was the ultimate male fantasy. Just hurling through space in your living room, watching TV. That's why all the aliens were always dropping in, because Kirk was the only one that had the big screen. They came over Friday nights, Klingon boxing, gotta be there."

Re:Uniforms (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242858)

Of the few DS9 episodes that I watched, they were so hard-up to get off the space station that they introduced a space ship so that they could fly around to other places.


They had a couple of Runabouts from the beginning, which are like warp-capable shuttlecraft with transporter pads.

And by the way, when the guys running the station were out on the ship, exactly who was in charge back at ole' DS9?


Whomever was the senior officer that didn't go with them. Kira, sometimes, who was the Bajoran liason officer and 1st officer of the station, otherwise one of the named-but-rarely-important minor Starfleet officers.

Really, I don't get how this series is going to be anything new; DS9 already gave us "dark tone with many decisions involving shades of grey", complete with serious terrorist threats and the debates over security vs. ideals and freedom that naturally arise from such things. There was a sympathetic former-terrorist (unapologetic, mind you) main character, a character who was formerly of one of the galaxy's most powerful and ruthless intelligence agencies, etc.

I think it tackled all of these issues as well as a sci-fi series can, and in my opinion it's got a major thing going for it over BSG's "Human Insurgency" storyline and (probably) whatever they come up with for this new series: it's not tied to specific current events. It has some similarities, and sure, there were terrorist attacks before 9/11, but it's not fixated on the news. Its messages and its inspection of these issues comes across as being far more universal than anything like it that I've seen since 2001, and in my opinion these qualities make it possibly the BEST Trek series (right alongside TOS for its revolutionary nature in its time), and among the best sci-fi TV every produced.

Time travel part XXXVI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17241966)

... until Capitan Chase goes back in time fix the Federation once and for all.

ahhh the good old days

Already done... (0, Redundant)

TrisexualPuppy (976893) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241968)

Done long ago. I watched it as a kid. Didn't like it.

Click here [wikipedia.org] for more details!

MODERATORS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242530)

Mod parent up. So stupid that he/she was modded down. I had no idea about this series until SexualPuppy posted this link.

RTFS (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242912)

I had no idea about this series until SexualPuppy posted this link.

Didn't read the summary, didja?

Super Nerds! (2, Funny)

frieza79 (947618) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241974)

Cartoons + Star Trek? Man, this is going to be the nerdiest show ever.

Re:Super Nerds! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242032)

Well, it can't be much nerdier than discussing a Star Trek cartoon on Slashdot ;)

Re:Super Nerds! (3, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242216)

If depends if you are browsing in Klingon and wearing your starfleet uniform...

New Animated Star Trek (2, Insightful)

ekimminau (775300) | more than 7 years ago | (#17241994)

I would personally rather see something between the first faster than light voyage and NCC-1701. Eric

Re:New Animated Star Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242038)

They had a show like that, it was called Enterprise.

Re:New Animated Star Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242046)

I think that would be called Enterprise and it sucked. Check it out on DVD...

As long as..... (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242000)

..... there's a very shapely and sexy female character in tight clothes that makes a nerd like me drool, then I'll watch.

Re:As long as..... (0, Troll)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242108)

If you find female cartoon characters sexy enough to drool over you are not a nerd, you are disturbed.

Re:As long as..... (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242374)

Well then color me disturbed! Hello, Jesica Rabbit? Foxy Love?

Man, even Wayne* digs a cartoon once in a while, Betty Rubble IIRC!

* - Mike Myers, Wayne's World

I'm sorry? (1)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242418)

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&sa=N&resnum= 0&q=cheetara&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi [google.com]
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &q=jem [google.com]
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &q=daphne+scooby&btnG=Search [google.com]
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &q=tmnt+april [google.com]
and although not a cartoon I keep hoping...
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr= &q=linsner+dawn [google.com]

I guess I like being disturbed.. (some of that is really historical)

funniest damn thing I ever saw was a short (robot chicken?) where lion-o was using his sword to watch cheetarah in the bathroom...

Men are visually stimulated... (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242672)

As long as he's not watching My Little Pony or The Care Bears, I think he's alright.

Re:As long as..... (1)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242306)

Nah, Vulcan lifespan is like 200 earth years. T'Pol is long since dead.

Re:As long as..... (1)

Sabaki (531686) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242488)

There's always stasis or time travel. Never give up hope. Maybe in the future of Star Trek, there are only sexy aliens in skin-tight suits.

Andromeda (1)

originalTMAN (694813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242002)

This sounds a whole lot like "Gene Roddenberry's" Andromeda. Please try not to make this suck, guys.

Re:Andromeda (2, Insightful)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242654)

Andromeda was a perfectly good show until Kevin Sorbo turned it into Hercules in Space.

No more wagon train to the stars.... (2, Insightful)

m93 (684512) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242012)



Star Trek became closer to Star Wars as time went along. And a new series based after a war? No shit....You'd think they would actually sit down and try to come up with a thought provoking story at some point.

They got it, but they don't know how to handle it. (5, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242358)

From TFA:
Rounding out the 'big 3 will be Lt. Kaylen Donal, a tough-as-nails security chief whose team of red shirts are all linked with Borg technology implants called 'Biomechanical Utility Grafts or 'BUGs'. The Zero Room team want to see this security squad kick some butt and not just be cannon fodder.

What the fuck? They have an entire section going trans-human with Borg technology ... VOLUNTARILY any they still miss the implications?

Instead ...
"Although the show is set in the future the designs are founded in TOS, it is a throwback that is also looking forward," explains Rossi.

That makes no sense what-so-ever.

And ...
"The Captain is more forward thinking and wants to go out and do some exploring but half the crew will be against that and want to just protect the border," says Rossi.

Captain's Log, Stardate 2528 point 4. I have beamed half the crew into space during a mutiny. They had forgotten that this was a Star Fleet vessel and not a Democracy. I will ... miss them.

Re:They got it, but they don't know how to handle (1)

StonedYoda47 (732257) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242480)

I just pictured Kirk saying that Captain's Log, and I would gladly accept any Star Trek series that would do that.

Re:No more wagon train to the stars.... (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242478)

mod parent up as insightful! That was the first thing I thought of - "not another war episode/series/movie". What happened to exploring strange new worlds? Can anyone even remember when that was what Star Trek was about?

Aliens. (1, Interesting)

StupidMBA (1039062) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242022)

I hope that in the animated series they will draw non-humanoid aliens.

Who said it? All of the aliens on Star Trek look like humans with Elephantitis.

Re:Aliens. (1)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242336)

Not to sound like a complete nerd (I just happen to like and have watched Star Trek), there was a TNG episode where they explained all this. It ran thusly: A long time ago, life started with a bunch of humanoid aliens. They found they were all alone in the universe and seeded all life. Hence, all intelligent life is humanoid.....

Not that I want to debate the merits of whether it's a good plot device (or how that explains the more odd phylums found on earth), but it's an explanation at least!

Re:Aliens. (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242588)

Watch any of the dvd extras with art department guys. They'll flat out tell you it's because facial mods are easier (no clothes there to work around).

Oh God no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242026)

When do we start getting the "Vulcan christmas special"?

Or "Two Kirks, a Kahhn and a pizza place"? (tacos rule!)

Or "everyone loves Sulu"?

Cant they let that worn out, beaten and horrible franchise die?

Re:Oh God no! (1)

Dogun (7502) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242152)

Actually, I've always thought there was a strong demand for a Star Trek comedy. I'd much prefer those over an animated series with 6-minute episodes.

'Farakhan' to Uhura: "Oh, my Nubian Princess" (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242312)

Actually, I've always thought there was a strong demand for a Star Trek comedy. I'd much prefer those over an animated series with 6-minute episodes.

I don't know. If you've ever seen the "Wrath Of Farakhan" sketch with Jim Carey as Kirk, it's pretty much all sewn up, right there. You can't beat that.

Re:Oh God no! (1)

KingRoo (232714) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242648)

Yeah! Like the "ST:Night Shift", kinda like McHale's Navy or Phil Silvers crossed with Trek - with the crew pulling scams, smuggling, getting caught between romulans and vulcans. Hilarity ensues.

Episodes always end with Picard coming in , "oh, nothing unusual, Cap'n", but there's always something odd caught in the captain's chair...

Depressing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242054)

Call me simple, but I've always cared for the positive outlook Star Trek implied.

This sounds too depressing too me. I'll watch the Matrix if I want to be depressed.

I hope this is a joke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242078)

because it's making me laugh.

"...and the Vulcans, who were negotiating reunification with the Romulans, pulled out of the Federation."
Dogs sleeping with Cats.

"The war was sparked off after a surprise attack of dozens of 'Omega particle' detonations throughout the Federation creating vast areas which become impassible to warp travel and essentially cut off almost half the Federation from the rest."
All Hell breaking loose.

This is the best they came up with?

Re:I hope this is a joke... (0)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242182)

"...and the Vulcans, who were negotiating reunification with the Romulans, pulled out of the Federation." Dogs sleeping with Cats.
Agreed, someone pulled this out of their ass. If they don't want the Vulcans in the federation, they better kill them off, because they are integra. Sorry, but this series is not part of the ST universe.

Stardate 60418.6: Dead Horse Nebula In Sight. (4, Interesting)

saudadelinux (574392) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242684)

I know someone will mod this "-5 send him to Gitmo!", but:

I didn't watch ANY of the spin-offs after they stopped making ST:TNG.

Why?

I recognized the horse, as it were, was dead. Sometimes, even most times, it's better to let the thing rot and disperse back into the environment, instead of resurrecting it over and over again. It's looking a bit tatty now.

Klingons on the Starboard Bow (1)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242096)

Judging from the animation style, it looks like they're trying to do to Star Trek, what Loonatics Unleashed [slashdot.org] "re-imagining" was to the Warner Brothers cartoons.

It's crap, Alex, but not as we know it,
Not as we know it,
Not as we know it,
It's crap, Alex, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain.

It's worse than that, it's dead, Alex!
Dead, Alex!
Dead, Alex!
It's worse than that, it's dead, Alex! Dead, Alex, dead!

Re:Klingons on the Starboard Bow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242294)

If they made the designs a bit more angular and retro they might have stumbled upon the Batman: The Animated Series style, which would have ruled.

I agree with your thought about the probable "re-imagining" attempt. Right now these character designs are made of blocky, chunky, and meh. I know they must be intentionally aiming to be Awesome and Engaging, but much like Loonatics Unleashed I'm betting they'll fail hard at actually achieving that effect.

Loonatics Unleashed... Ugh. That show hurts to watch. It's an insult to any fan of the hero team genre. I prefer having my hero teams done right, like in Cyborg 009.

Beam me up scotty (2, Insightful)

t00le (136364) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242100)

Hopefully it will be well written to spawn the imagination of scientists to be. Looking back a good number of the star trek technologies have come to be a reality simply by nudging the creative energies of young minds.

Re:Beam me up scotty (2, Informative)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242638)

Ever seen Hidden Frontier http://www.hiddenfrontier.com/ [hiddenfrontier.com] ? Pretty good, considering they put it out for about 500 bucks an episode. It's now in its 7th & final season.

Omega particles, really? (1)

Lurker (1078) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242110)

No kidding, Omega particles. Wow. Ok then, I guess it's time to fire up the main deflector dish or something with tachyons.

Re:Omega particles, really? (3, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242244)

Actually if they start monkeying about with the main deflector dish then for once I would like to see a star trek character say 'What?' instead of 'Yes, that might just work'. 'Run a reverse polarity inverse jellybaby through the main deflector dish!!! WTF are you babbling about???, is that even possible?????' seems like a much more natural response.

Re:Omega particles, really? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242318)

Yeah, the Omega Particle was a crap Voyager bullshit particle that should have been forgotten, much like the Voyager series.

Re:Omega particles, really? (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242348)

No kidding, Omega particles. Wow. Ok then, I guess it's time to fire up the main deflector dish or something with tachyons.

Now, be careful there, Chachi. If you do that, you'll overload the Genesis device.

Re:Omega particles, really? (1)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242386)

Omega Particles were used earlier in Star Trek. TNG or Voyager. Create one and KABLOOIE. A bit like in LEXX... all civilizations are destined to find this new particle. If they try to measure its mass: KABLOOIE.

Re:Omega particles, really? (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242678)

Nothing wrong with positing a doohickey in sci-fi, as long as tech-ing the doohickey doesn't become the whole reason for the episode. Dramatically, it's a nifty idea to say, "A lot of people are dead, and your movements are restricted". It doesn't really matter what happened.

It's a classic kind of sci-fi story: throw out one (or a small handful) of technological thingamabobs and see what people do about it. As long as it's about the people and what they do, it's a pretty solid basis for a story.

But yeah, if they reconfigure the modulations and the doohickey goes away... that's what made TNG so intolerable.

BSG (0)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242112)

The setting is to be a war-torn post-9/11-like Trek universe


Sounds like Trek wants to imitate the awesomeness that is BSG. Good luck guys, BSG is as great as it is because it doesn't fall in the the Trek writing traps.

-Grey [wellingtongrey.net]

Re:BSG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242712)

Wow, I love the glorious BSG smugness that comes along every now and then. Remember, your series is based on a sci-fi flop that even taking it into account hasn't been around as long as Star Trek. Also, Star Trek had some very good series, if you never saw DS9, you really missed the best of the series. What is this BS Trek writing traps anyway? I can find just about any TV series and find some "trap" they fall into consistently, trust me your precious show is no safer.

"The franchise is dead, Jim." (5, Insightful)

CheeseburgerBrown (553703) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242118)

You know, if Viacom keeps pulling on those teats like that they're eventually just going to break right off. I mean, there's milking it and there's milking it.

Does new Trek content really have dominion over any part of our cultural consciousness anymore? Go on: quote me a well known line from Voyager. No, no -- the show. Remember? How could you forget? It not only featured the worst series finale of any TV show ever produced, it also made my ears bleed whenever the quavering caterwauling of that shifty-ass captain sounded.

And let's not forget Enterprise...no, wait -- let's.

Anyone who sat through Deanna and Riker's wedding in those waiter uniforms knows what I'm talking about: the whole idea has seen its day, and Star Trek should be buried alive...buried alive...buried alive...

The franchise peaked with "There are four lights!"

Re:"The franchise is dead, Jim." (1)

tb3 (313150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242224)

I hate to tell you this, but the franchise peaked with "The City on the Edge of Forever".

Re:"The franchise is dead, Jim." (1)

jomama717 (779243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242434)

I see no downside to them continuing to try, who knows - it might be good.

Btw, I don't necessarily agree that the franchise peaked there but the "four lights" [startrek.com] one was an excellent episode.

Re:"The franchise is dead, Jim." (1)

PhreakOfTime (588141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242844)

Yes. The series did peak with the TNG series.

Unfortunately, After Gene Rodenberry's death in 1991, there just wasn't the same writing skill and philosophy around anymore. Sure, Rick Berman had some OK episodes, but mostly not. It was just obvious as time went on that his thoughts were what made the series as great as it was, and even more obvious when those thoughts were gone.

And the two-part episode "chain of command" was probably one of the very best episodes ever written and produced.

But what about mark twain (5, Insightful)

KrazeeEyezKilla (955150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242178)

Why can't they make the Trek spinoff we really want to see: the late 19th century escapades of Mark Twain and Guinan.

Why not any other series? (3, Insightful)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242252)

There are many other series out there, such as Stargate, Babylon 5, Firefly and so on.

So, is there a reason that we have to keep coming back to Star Trek - The Search for More Money every damn time?

The franchise is dead. People just don't seem to get it.

Re:Why not any other series? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242454)

Stargate is not complex enough to support changes from its own tired formula, Babylon 5 already has a project in the works, and I, for one, can't imagine any new Firefly in a post-Serenity world.

What Star Trek has is the most amount of fans-that-will-watch-anything-even-fucking-Enterpr ise.

There's already a post-911 Star Trek on TV (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242828)

It's called Battlestar Galactica.

-Eric

Re:There's already a post-911 Star Trek on TV (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242892)


BSG is Space Opera meets West Wing, set in space with hot chicks and human-looking robots.

Dear Science Fiction crap producing whore ASSHOLES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242324)

Will you please fuck off. You obviously have no clue what Star Trek was about.

Forward thinking, sure. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242356)

Wow. This is great. Plucky idealistic hero, resentful second in command and a hard nosed war chick. Doesn't get more cliche and two dimensional than that. Hell, why not have a freaky/cutesy break out character like No-No or Snarf

Racism in Star Trek continues apace (4, Insightful)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242408)

Vulcans, who were negotiating reunification with the Romulans, pulled out of the Federation.
Well, at least they're getting the racist aspects of Star Trek correct. This has been predictable ever since it was revealed that Romulans and Vulcans were the same race.

Star Trek is dedicated to the idea that every species has one culture, one religion, one government, and they all belong together on the same planet (or at least the same star system). Anybody who dares to marry outside of their race, err, species, will have children that are horribly torn between their two distinct and apparently utterly immiscible heritages. "Oh, woe is me, shall I be Vulcan or Human because it isn't possible for me to forge my own distinct identity, I must only belong to one race, err, species!"

What other reasons would the Vulcans have for re-uniting with the Romulans? The Vulcans may be the same species but in almost every other way they are night and day; their culture, their philosophies, their approaches to problems, everything except maybe general arrogance. They're geographically separated so far apart that there was enough time before they re-discovered each other that they forgot they were related. They share few to no strategic interests.

But blood will out, apparently.

I bet Vulcan or Romulus ends up destroyed at some point (probably Vulcan) and all of the Vulcan refugees go live on Romulus, cause the post-TNG Star Trek mythos can't tolerate races living in two places.

Re:Racism in Star Trek continues apace (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242498)

By the way, I am aware you can find a lot of dialog that contradicts this, and the rare isolated counterexample, but the general trend is clearly in this direction. For every isolated counterexample of somebody happily living with people who aren't their species or forging their own cross-cultural identity, you have entire major characters where "conflicts" between their species was their major story line for years at a time: Worf and Spock bigtime, Troi (didn't come up as often but it certainly was an issue), and Odo, complete with racial epitaphs for the "solids".

(Star Trek dialog and Star Trek on-screen fact contradict each other pretty often, anyhow.)

Re:Racism in Star Trek continues apace (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242798)

Most of the conflict is about who they belong to, and comes from the characters themselves.

The people who judge them based on there heritage are always viewed in a negative light.

Fire your writers and hire Iain M Banks (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242496)

or greg bear. PLEASE

Re:Fire your writers and hire Iain M Banks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242730)

Greg Bear already did Trek. *googles* Corona [juima.org] . Was a pretty decent read, actually, if I remember correctly, but not something that'd work long term - Bear is too distinctly Bear for his writings to remain Trek for very long.

Re:Fire your writers and hire Iain M Banks (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242826)

Oh my God, Bear is writing! How can that be!

stop me if you've heard this one (1)

denttford (579202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242536)

When it was called Andromeda...

Oh My God (1)

jbrader (697703) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242598)

It sounds to me like they're finally going to do one of these with some actual drama and grit. I wonder what the temperature in hell is right now.

Isn't there already a web-based Star Trek? (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242650)

Or am I mistaken? [youtube.com]

First mission (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17242656)

Plot a course for Gitmo Prime, engage!

If we need to have a new Trek franchise (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242768)

I'd rather see some of the existing trek timespan looked at through a different light, rather than yet another reboot the setting and fly a federation starship around it.


That was, I think, the strength of DS9, and one reason while, after all the seasons of TOS and TNG, it still had something going for it, whereas Voyager and Enterprise just seemed to flounder.

How to do it right (1)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242842)

They should learn from two or three good episodes of Andromeda.

Putting a society back together after embittering losses gives your stories scope for Roddenberrish idealism _and_ gritty drama _and_ thought-provoking moral dilemmas. How many eggs will the Captain break in order to build a safe egg crate for the other eggs? What unexpected opposition will there be? What hidden social problems of the shiny TNG Federation have unearthed themselves?

Then hire real writers. Somewhere out there, there's a struggling young writer with the vision and talent of a Stracxynski.

sounds like Andromeda (1)

bear_phillips (165929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242852)

I remember reading that Gene Roddenberry had written a pilot back in the 70s about a postwar federation and a "lone" captain trying to bring the fedeation back together. That idea turned in Andromeda. I wonder how much Andromeda had on this idea?

Give it some time... (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#17242928)

The trouble with all these spin-offs is that if they keep things the same they're just labelled as tired and unoriginal, yet if they change too much they'll almost certainly piss off the hardcore fans of the original and find themselves with a show less popular than if they'd started from scratch. It's not impossible to do, but it's a balance delicate enough that in all likelihood it'll be fucked up.

The problem lies from returning too quickly to the franchise. ST:TNG came 18 years after ST:TOS, that's why it worked. It gave the old fans some time away from the show and allowed a new set of potential fans to arrive who had never experienced it before. The same applies to Battlestar Galactica. Doctor Who went to shit in the 80's after the BBC desperately trying to squeeze it for everything it's worth. After ~15 years it's returned and is more popular now then ever. Right now I'd rather see a new series of something like Doomwatch or Blake's 7 than yet another cash-in of Star Trek/Star Wars/Stargate/Babylon 5/Whatever. Or better yet, how about an entirely original sci-fi series? That'd be nice.

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