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Blue Dragon Outsells Zelda in Japan At Launch

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the wii60-users-buy-both dept.

XBox (Games) 151

Computer and Videogames is carrying the news that the 360's new JRPG Blue Dragon has outsold Zelda (and all other Wii software) since the game launched last month. This can mean only good things for Microsoft, as by all account the Wii's software lineup didn't do too shabby a job of selling either. From the article: "The latest Media Create Japanese chart puts the Mistwalker RPG at number four in the top selling titles in Japan for December 4 through 10, which has managed to shift a respectable 80,000 copies in the country giving it the number two all-time 360 sales record behind Dead or Alive 4. Blue Dragon has received a considerable level of hype in Japan, largely thanks to the fanbase surrounding Dragon Ball Z artist Akira Toriyama who designed the characters in the game, and a special edition Japanese Blue Dragon 360 bundle which some Japanese retailers reported to have sold out of within minutes of opening pre-order." Update: 12/15 01:10 GMT by Z : As Chris Kohler points out, the game outsold Zelda the week of its launch.

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Zonk, why isn't this on the main page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245094)

This is so interesting it'll surely draw like, 1000 or comments.

Re:Zonk, why isn't this on the main page? (1)

cecilgol (977329) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245150)

1001.

What the?? (-1)

joshetc (955226) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247282)

What the fuck kind of news is this anyway? The 360 has been out over a YEAR. The Wii has been out less than a MONTH. It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out the 360 will have more game sales.

Spot of good news for MS (1)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245158)

It's nice to see some 360s selling in Japan, but I wonder how many of these people bought a 360 out of frustration, due to limited Wii and, to a larger extent, PS3 shipments.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (4, Insightful)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245256)

Why would the Japanese buy a 360 out of frustration? They aren't exactly known to love microsoft's consoles, so I highly doubt that people would've bought one for those reasons. It's been said constantly that the guy who worked on the game has a huge following in Japan, so those sales increases might just happen to be because there's a game, on Microsoft's Xbox360, that the Japanese want.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245278)

Who knows. However, this still leaves me speechless. Then again this could just be a difference in time.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245842)

It's nice to see some 360s selling in Japan, but I wonder how many of these people bought a 360 out of frustration, due to limited Wii

I think that would be more a rationale to buy a PS2, and one of these [teamfremont.com] with the appropriate game title to go with. At least that would be some kind of solution to the problem of a limited Wii.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246236)

you have to keep in mind though that this is japan that we are talking about here. This is the same place where people will buy a console for a single game and then sell it back once they are done. Given 360 only has shooters, if MS cant come out with other games i supect that is what the fate of most of these blue dragon boxes will be.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246048)

but I wonder how many of these people bought a 360 out of frustration, due to limited Wii

That's an unfair stereotype of Asian men.

Re:Spot of good news for MS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17247212)

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ever been in a restaurant and asked for Prime Rib, only to be told they're sold out? I imagine if you were, you would have replied with "Oh well, I'll take a steaming plate of cat feces then".

Wait (2, Interesting)

nbehary (140745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245184)

Can't get to the article from work, but....Game was released last month. The Wii was released 12 days ago in Japan. Are they just comparing those 12 days, or the whole time the former has been out?

Re:Wait (5, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245322)

According to http://the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm [the-magicbox.com] Blue Dragon outsold Nintendo Wii software for the week with a weekly total of 80 thousand units, in total Wii sports has sold 248,549 units since the Wii has launched, and Hajimete no Wii has sold 237,160 units; The legend of Zelda sold 146,250 units on its opening week and is likely near the 200,000 mark by now.

Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten whereas much of Nintendo's software will remain near the top for quite a while.

Re:Wait (3, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245488)

I thought I should clarify the statement:

"Next week Blue Dragon will probably drop out of the top ten"

the Top Selling XBox 360 games in Japan

http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Or +Alive+4 [vgcharts.org]
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+or +Alive+Xtreme+2 [vgcharts.org]
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Dead+Ri sing [vgcharts.org]
http://www.vgcharts.org/japgamewk.php?name=Ninety+ Nine+Nights [vgcharts.org]

Re:Wait (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245702)

Thanks for the information.

I think this is a huge success for them and hopefully will do much to improve Microsoft's standing there...

That said, here's some perspective [vgcharts.org] on this exciting news.

Re:Wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245756)

Yeah it's pretty pointless to compare a game's opening week figures to another game's second or third week sales. Blue Dragon outsold Final Fantasy XII last week too, guess I'll go write a news article about it!

Re:Wait (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247184)

Is Wii sports not bundled in Japan? Because if you are counting what is included with the console, I don't really count that as sales. If they are "real" sales, I would be impressed and surprised. Wii Sports is little more than a technology demo. It's fun to play around with at first, but the games are very shallow. It is excellent at what it does though. I think it will appeal to a lot of non-gamers and gamers alike.

But it really doesn't matter that the sales are that high just for the week. The fact that they sold 80,000 units in a climate that is typically hostile or disinterested is remarkable.

Re:Wait (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247220)

Wii sports is not bundled in Japan ...

Honestly, Wii sports is remarkably shallow (and basically a tech-demo) from a single player perspective but is (by far) the best local multiplayer game released in 2006.

Stoked! (1)

chroot_james (833654) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245188)

I am excited for this game. I loved Chrono Trigger. I think I've played it in it's entirety about 10 times.

Re:Stoked! (1)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245764)

Blue Dragon is similar to Chrono Trigger? If that's the case, let's hope for a US release. Chrono Trigger was an awesome game - good story, good graphics (for the time period) and surprisingly good music for a 16-bit system.

Re:Stoked! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246176)

and it had one of the best in-game jokes ever when you used the warp to the last boss after you finished it and started over

Re:Stoked! (2, Interesting)

Chainsaw Karate (869210) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246238)

Akira Toriyama, Nobuo Uematsu, and Hironobu Sakaguchi are all involved in Blue Dragon's development. The last time they all collaborated AFAIK was Chrono Trigger. I'm not sure how similar the actual games are, though.

Re:Stoked! (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247820)

Uematsu's involvement in Chrono Trigger was extremely small, though, at only about 5-10 tracks, and mostly fairly minor ones (except for the normal boss battle theme, which was his). Mitsuda did the rest. Unfortunately, it is of my opinion that Mitsuda only went down hill from there, where as Uematsu is still doing great things, even if he hasn't done a complete soundtrack in a few years. I'm really excited to see how Blue Dragon turns out.

JRPG = ? (-1, Troll)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245198)

I don't think JRPG is a typo since J is far from R, space and W. Wikipedia says it stands for Japanese RPG. [wikipedia.org] Hmm. Any other ideas?

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

chroot_james (833654) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245238)

The article is about how two RPG's are selling in Japan...

Re:JRPG = ? (2, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245358)

That's exactly what it means. There's two sub-types of RPGs... console RPGs [wikipedia.org] (eg. JRPGs) and computer RPGs [wikipedia.org] ) (eg. western style). JPRG's are more linear and scripted, don't allow the player as much choice in terms of what character(s) they are, but this allows them to tell strong story as the player progresses. Computer RPG's on the other hand give you a lot of control of what characters to play, where you want to go, but as a result, it's not possible for the game authors to tell a strong story... the world doesn't usually dramatically change throughout the game.

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

HexRei (515117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245410)

However, this distinction is becoming less clear as some western-style RPG's make it to console... Oblivion, for example. I think the JRPG name distinguishes it from the other more clearly.

Re:JRPG = ? (0, Offtopic)

regular_gonzalez (926606) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246212)

I'd add a third type -- Action RPGs ala Diablo and Titan Quest. Not as deep as Fallout, Baldur's Gate, or other traditional PC RPGs, but certainly not console-like.

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

psxman (925240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247350)

Those are called dungeon crawlers or hack-and-slash RPGs.

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

HexRei (515117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245382)

Yes, it's a Japanese RPG, developed by Squaresoft. It's worth noting that the J in JRPG doesn't denote the nationality of the creators so much as the style of RPG. Squaresoft's RPG mostly fall under the JRPG heading.

Re:JRPG = ? (3, Informative)

JordanL (886154) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245484)

As the article notes, this game was developed by Mistwalker Studios, not "Squaresoft". Further, I can only assume you meant Squaresoft as in the same square that makes Final Fantasy. In which case, Square merged with Enix about five or six years ago, and is now called "Square Enix".

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245874)

Additionally, Mistwalker Studios [wikipedia.org] is headed by Hironobu Sakaguchi [wikipedia.org] , who created the original Final Fantasy series.

Some folks would say that Blue Dragon is "more JRPG" than FFXII, which actually had more of a MMO and western feel to it.

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

HexRei (515117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245916)

Whoops, my mistake. The president of Mistwalker is also a founder of Square, I got mixed up.

Re:JRPG = ? (1)

Tz-Auber (984141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246368)

= The chance of it getting released anywhere is slim to none?

The trend is shaping up (3, Interesting)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245220)

Its looking more and more like no console will dominate this generation. All of the consoles made mistakes, all of the consoles have good points and bad points, and none totally overwhelm the others, with good games of all categories hitting all 3.

It seems like the ages where a single console could be sufficient if you picked well(unless you just HAD to have that ONE game...) are over.

I don't know - I'd like to be optimistic but... (1)

Channard (693317) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245662)

.. the fact that the gap between the Wii's graphics and the 360 and PS3's graphics is even greater than that between the PS2 and X-Box 1 makes me think it'll be left behind. Yes, it's innovative, but since when has innovation paid off in the games industry of late?

Re:I don't know - I'd like to be optimistic but... (3, Insightful)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245826)

Yes, it's innovative, but since when has innovation paid off in the games industry of late?

The Nintendo DS? Guitar Hero? Katamari Damacy? Geometry Wars?

Say what you will about the definition of innovation (and I know that this will probably lead to arguing about just that), but the DS and the games listed were all significant departures from most of what's being churned out today...and they all sold remarkably well because of it.

Re:I don't know - I'd like to be optimistic but... (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245856)

.. the fact that the gap between the Wii's graphics and the 360 and PS3's graphics is even greater than that between the PS2 and X-Box 1 makes me think it'll be left behind. Yes, it's innovative, but since when has innovation paid off in the games industry of late?

Yeah, but it is similar to the Gap between the Nintendo DS and Sony's PSP (which happens to be when innovation paid off in the games industry of late).

In general though, I think that it is way too early to make any conclusions on the performance of any system (except maybe the XBox 360 in Japan) because almost anything could happen at this point. The fact is that the Wii only sold 110,000 units in its second week of release and about 75% of new users would have had to buy Zelda for it to surpass the sales of Blu-Dragon.

Re:Is optimism a street in Kyoto or not? (2, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245894)

.. the fact that the gap between the Wii's graphics and the 360 and PS3's graphics is even greater than that between the PS2 and X-Box 1 makes me think it'll be left behind.

While this might matter in Japan, where HDTV is standard in most households, in the US only 5 percent of households have an HDTV, and in most cases Dad won't let the kids play games on it, because he bought it to watch sports and pr0n.

The xBox360 doesn't have many games on a standard 480p normal TV that look that much different, and so far all the game reviews I've seen say that most of the games aren't that great.

Give it about six months, and we'll see what the real numbers are. Everyone I know (dads) is buying Nintendo Wii consoles for their kids.

HDTV adoption growth rates (0, Redundant)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246302)

While this might matter in Japan, where HDTV is standard in most households, in the US only 5 percent of households have an HDTV, and in most cases Dad won't let the kids play games on it, because he bought it to watch sports and pr0n.
That 5% seems low to me, but I can't find any 2006 reports that cover what it looks like now. What would be interesting, though, is the growth aspect. If the number of households with HDTV is doubling or tripling every year, then it certainly won't be long till HDTV really matters. I am constantly surprised by how cheap HDTV sets are becoming every year.

The biggest stumbling point, IMHO, to HDTV though ... is really the content. It's not clear that to get the best image, not only do you need an HDTV, but you have to subscribe to HDTV with your cable/satellite TV provider. For me, that's an extra $5 a month, which is affordable and worth it. But that's probably not the cause for a lot of other households, which aren't prepared to make additional monthly payments. Additionally, there's the cost of having all the right wires, and potentially upgrading the equipment that uses the TV (game consoles, DVD players, etc.).

The xBox360 doesn't have many games on a standard 480p normal TV that look that much different, and so far all the game reviews I've seen say that most of the games aren't that great.
Ehh, what reviews are you looking at? Well, it'll all be moot. Come back in a few weeks when all the gaming magazines and websites start listing their "Game of the Year" nominees. The "buzz" is that several 360 games will be nominees for sure: Oblivion and Gears of War. I would argue that Dead Rising and Viva Pinata also deserve to be high marks in their respective genres.

Then again, if you don't have a 360 or have any notion of owning one, you probably don't know about these titles. Which is a shame. That's why I try to be multi-platform, since ultimately, I don't care which console a good game is on. (Of course, not everyone can afford to go multi-platform, which is completely understandable as well)

Re:HDTV adoption growth rates there or here (0, Flamebait)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246480)

Four games does not a console make.

The "buzz" is that several 360 games will be nominees for sure: Oblivion and Gears of War. I would argue that Dead Rising and Viva Pinata also deserve to be high marks in their respective genres.

Hmmm. Gears of War is 5 out of 5, Dead Rising is maybe 4, Viva Pinata is a definite 4, but there are many other games that are barely a 2 or 3, and quite frankly, that's not very good.

So far, when you actually look at the Wii and PS3 and xBox360 titles available in the US, it looks like the Wii has a stable of 4 and 5 rated games, the xBox360 is middle of the road (with barely as many total 4 and 5 games as the just-released Wii), and the PS3 is well, just not up to it, with only one decent game to speak of, and a lot of really glitchy but nice-looking games to round it out.

Maybe it's different in Japan - I've heard the xBox360 released a number of cool Japan-only Samurai games, but haven't heard of any cool PS3 ones yet in Japan, and it's still early for any Wii games (launch was just a short while back).

Re:HDTV adoption growth rates there or here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17247664)

"So far, when you actually look at the Wii and PS3 and xBox360 titles available in the US, it looks like the Wii has a stable of 4 and 5 rated games, the xBox360 is middle of the road (with barely as many total 4 and 5 games as the just-released Wii)"

Where do you get these numbers from? Based on reviews from gamespot, the Wii has 5 original titles (7 if you really want to count virtual console re-releases) that get a 4/5 or higher. The 360 has 40.

Why must fanboys consistently lie about the numbers?

Re:HDTV adoption growth rates (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247812)

To get HDTV I paid $25.00 for some rabbit ears. I get perfect reception on all network stations now and have access to a weather station and an all music station that is actually videos all day.

Digital cable in my area sucked (never tried the HD) with terrible compression and frequent outings (esp of on demand). I now watch less TV and have the money saved to buy a season of TV every month (maybe every other). I also could buy quite a supernews account with the money saved if I needed more/quicker (illegal) access to cable TV shows.

Channels that were barly watchable before I got a TV with digital tuner are now crisper than my cable was, even when I pick a sub channel in 480i.

If you are further from an urban center (I am 5 miles from most stations) a rooftop antenna pointed at the nearest city can get you a lot of station for not too much money (or fuss) (you should be able to cover an urban area 30 miles away without re-aiming between stations).

Re:Is optimism a street in Kyoto or not? (0, Troll)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246878)

The XBox360's superiority in graphics and computing power has nothing to do with HD-TV, its far away from the Wii in SD-TV just as well. What is holding back the XBox360 so far is that a lot of games are still build for multiple platforms. If you see Marvel Ultimate Alliance on the XBox360 it won't look that much different then on a PS2 or Wii, the gameplay is all the same on every console and the much better bump mapping, resolution and light effects on the XBox360 won't change that.

With the real NextGen titles like Assassins Creed, Deand Rising, BioShock and friends things are however changing, those games look much better then current gen and also feature gameplay elements that the current generation couldn't do, crowds, physics and stuff as seen in those games won't work unless you have some spare cycles left and on XBox360 you have plenty of those, while the Wii already seems to struggle, many reviews put its graphics between Gamecube and XBox1, no game so far features anti-aliasing and other issues.

Now the new controller on the Wii is nice, but so far it doesn't seem like a magic-item to solve anything, almost all multi-platform games (Madden 07 being the only exception so far) scored higher on the other consoles and the best game on the Wii so far is Zelda, which would have worked with a classic controller just fine. If the developers will find out how to put the controller to better use in the future we will have to wait and see, but given some of the rubbish third partys produce sometimes for the DS (TombRaider, NFS:MF, Burnout, ...) I have some serious doubt. There are of course other issues such as the lack of a second analog stick for camera controls that might provide quite a few problems as well.

I have no doubt that the Wii will find its niche (party games) and will make Nintendo money, but will it hold up against XBox360 and PS3 for the next five or more years? I don't think so, the differences between Wii and the rest today are only the beginning, the gap will get larger and larger in the coming years.

Re:Is optimism a street in Kyoto or not? (2, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247162)

The XBox360's superiority in graphics and computing power has nothing to do with HD-TV, its far away from the Wii in SD-TV just as well. What is holding back the XBox360 so far is that a lot of games are still build for multiple platforms. If you see Marvel Ultimate Alliance on the XBox360 it won't look that much different then on a PS2 or Wii, the gameplay is all the same on every console and the much better bump mapping, resolution and light effects on the XBox360 won't change that.

All I know is what I've seen and what people in head-to-head reviews who've played both consoles - as evidenced in reviews at the New York Times [nytimes.com] , Washington Post [washpost.com] , Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] for example, as well as G4 TV, Spike TV, etc - in that, sure, the xBox360 and PS3 have nice graphics, and they look cool close up (less than 4 feet for an HDTV that is more than 40 inches in size), but in the end it's all about the game play.

For most people, in 480p (standard TV), it really isn't that much different. And a lot of the PS3 releases don't even have good game graphics and camera controls - for example, water waves sloshing thru the land in a few, or bouncing into walls in Need for Speed 2, or whatever.

Again, it's all about the games. It's like my sports coupe - in the hands of someone like me, who actually knows the limitations of the vehicle, you can drive up to the ski hill with it, but the average Joe can't even drive their 4WD up to ski hill without getting stuck. Sure, they have more power, more clearance, they should be able to beat me there, but in real life they can't.

Now, the lead article is about first-week sales for the Wii in Japan of Zelda, compared to an already released user base of xBox360 consoles with a game that was released a couple of weeks before. It's like comparing pomegranates to oranges. Pomegranates may be better, but if they only are available right now, and people are used to oranges, you'll sell a lot more oranges.

Re:Is optimism a street in Kyoto or not? (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247892)

Just to be an ass and clarify something for you:

480p is Extended Definition (EDTV), and is not a very widely used standard. 480i, commonly called NTSC (the current incarnation of which has been the North American and Japanese TV standard since the early 80s), is a good 100x more common than 480p. NTSC is also refered to, sometimes as Standard Definition (SDTV). The european "equivalent" (slower frame rate, but slightly higher definition) is PAL.

Re:Is optimism a street in Kyoto or not? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17248032)

Interesting. But not exceptionally relevant, in that when viewed from more than 4 feet (1.2 meters) away on a set of 40 inches (um, 1 meter) the visual difference is not very noticeable between any of the 480 and higher level standards. While interlacing (the i part) does have some qualitative difference, it's mostly visually impacting when you're close - say on an LCD monitor that is an average on 1 to 3 feet away.

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245754)

It seems like the ages where a single console could be sufficient if you picked well...are over.

The Wii (or the Wii controller) seems perfect for casual social gaming.

If you crave the depth, the intensity, and opportunities for customization to be found in other genres, you will probably be looking at the PC, the XBox 360 and the PS3. Perhaps it is time to admit that one size doesn't fit all.

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247818)

Why can't Wii games have depth, intensity, or opportunities for customization. You don't need the most powerful hardware in the world to create a deep game.

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

identity0 (77976) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245760)

Only if you ignore the DS, which is outselling all other systems combined. I suppose Microsoft can claim all Windows PC's as "their" platform as well.

Personally, I'll be getting a DS or GBA by Christmas time. All the old classic JRPGS (FF, Zelda, DQ, PS), plus the best collection of platformers...

And give the Wii some time. If Nintendo can leverage their handheld market dominance with good integration/crossover titles, and they have a good collection of old titles to download, they could grab most of the "casual gamer" market. I just have some doubts about the controller, but I don't hear many complaints so far...

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245890)

Yeah, I specificaly ignored the DS. While in my opinion, a console is a console is a console, and that includes handheld (I don't give a flying duck about handhelds being "hand held", I just like the games on them, since they are a bit more retro, in general, like 2d games, etc), the industry until very very recently have been pushing them in a different category, so they were not "competing" with the main consoles.

Obviously, the DS is totally annihilating everything else for the time being, and is most definately my favorite console (playing Portrait of Ruin as I'm typing this)

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245882)

I disagree.

The forces that shape the console industry are unstable, and I mean that in the physics sense. Success breeds success, failure breeds failure.

At this phase it's anybody's game. Maybe at this point in the previous cycles the winner was obvious (though I'd question that), but the structure of the competition means that three years from now there will almost certainly be an obvious winner. One of these consoles is going to rise up as the go-to console for the biggest, most popular games, and it's going to be the console that sells the most games, which will proceed to sell even more games because it has more of the exclusives.

The probably of a 33%-33%-33% outcome within some tolarance is non-zero, but unlikely. Somewhat more likely is something like a (Sony-Microsoft-Nintendo) 35-35-10 or 15-15-70 split, with the XBox360 and PS3 splitting the top market by being so easy to cross-port that effectively everything gets released on both consoles, eliminating their effective differences, and turning it into a Wii/non-Wii fight, but I'd still bet in this situation that one or the other of the XBox360/PS3 ends up dominating by offering a better bang-for-the-buck.

The big story is that Sony is not going into this generation with the unstoppable advantage they did in the previous. This doesn't mean they are going to lose, just that they didn't start with the advantage so many people have been assuming they would for the past three or four years.

(I'm not emotionally committed to any of these outcomes, so I'll pass on the flames. I find studying the structure of systems interesting.)

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246148)

I see what you mean, and it makes sense. but I thought about that. Here is my logic:

Consoles dominate when they have incredible 3rd party support. When the developers put all their eggs in the same basket. Nintendo mistreated developers as soon as it got an advantage, back in the SNES days. Sony did the same during the PS2 days. The whole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" thing comes into play. Developers got burnt, went to a promise of greener pasture, and got burnt again.

I don't think there will ever be a point again where a console dominates, because developers won't allow it. We have Mistwalker on the 360. Blue Dragon, while successful, is no Dragon Quest in Japan yet, but if Mistwalker continues the good work, the 360 will be a must have for a lot of japanese (amazingly enough), and eventualy, for western people too. Then you have the PS3. While the FF serie has been degenerating in the view of many, with a nice boost in the form of FF12, FFXIII Versus seems like it will put some life back in the serie, and the PS3 is getting a couple of other good games. Right now, I don't think its enough to get more than 30% marketshare though.

And then you have the Wii. We're on slashdot, we all saw the pools, I don't need to say anything here.

So while 33/33/33 is near impossible, something like 50/20/30 or something, could be a possibility. You'll still have a semi-dominating console, but nothing like 70/20/10 or whatsnot (pulling numbers out of my ass here, you get the idea), like we have seen at times in the past. To get a 70% market share, a console would need to have a mind boggling amount of AAA exclusives. I think the PS2 is the last time we're seeing that, at least for this generation and the next.

What will happen after that (hell, even just next generation) is up in the air, but unless there's something that REALLY shakes the industry (like one of the 3 current players pulling a Sega), I doubt we'll see this kind of market share ever again.

Re:The trend is shaping up (2, Insightful)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246946)

Interesting logic.

The evidence I'd want to see for that are statements from publishers and developers to the effect that they don't want a single console to dominate. And while I can't link them up, I'm pretty sure Square is playing the field for this very reason and that they've said some stuff to that effect, and Ubisoft seems to want diversity enough to put some money behind it.

Good argument.

And the best part is, now no matter what happens, we've got it covered! Ain't prognostication fun?

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247120)

Actualy, just to be safe and have EVERYTHING covered... we need to shape up a theory as to what the gaming world will be if a 3rd world war shapes up and the HQs of all 3 main players get blown up. You know, because when 90% of human population is gone, gaming will STILL matter, hell yeah.

And you got it. The statements by Square and Ubi were what I had in mind when I wrote that.

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247270)

Are you kidding? Gaming will matter more than ever! And the stakes will be... your life!

"Two men enter, one man leaves!"

Personally, I'm betting on Master Blaster, Inc. at 100% market share at that point.

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247364)

You know, because when 90% of human population is gone, gaming will STILL matter, hell yeah.
Night of the Comet flashbacks, anyone?

Re:The trend is shaping up (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17248126)

And even the PS2, as well as it did, didn't do that. The numbers are still flying about how all three consoles did world-wide, but the concensus seems to be that the PS2 came in first, world wide, with the XBox and GameCube coming in generally close together (some stats show the XBox leading, some the GameCube, so who knows). But even the gap between those wasn't astronomical. We're talking 40:30:30, or maybe 44:28:28. Even a 50:25:25 is pretty close, when you think about it. The final differences in sales between the SNES and Genesis were about 2:1 SNES (if I remember correctly), though everyone tends to look back on the systems that they were fairly equally regarded.

I'm of the opinion that no console is going to dominate, and that if the companies are smart (Sony, I'm talking to you), they'll all be able to establish a very loyal fanbase, based on demographic. Nintendo and Microsoft have done a very good job of establishing central demographics, with Nintendo aiming more at classic gamers, puzzle based games, shorter, even some more casual games, while Microsoft has established itself best in the 12-18 year old camp, with more "extreme" types of games, playing off of pop culture trends, as well as completely owning the sports community. Sony had something very strong going for them: epic games... RPGs and adventures that both required and bread a dedicated long-term fanbase. But they've almost completely ignored the demographics involved with that fanbase by engaging in a dick measuring contest with Microsoft. It's interesting that while Sony has been doing everything it can to appeal to the "hard core" "extreme" crowd, Microsoft, with Mistwalker, has been able to pull off taking a little of the mind share of the epic gamer crowd. It sorta reminds me of how GM and Ford were concentrating so heavily on pushing "ball crushing" SUVs, Toyota was able to pull the rug out from under them with a consistant line of extremely functional and reliable cars.

As a fan of more epic games, it's a bit of a split now, as Nintendo has never completely alienated us with constant sports games and FPSs, but have only recently started getting back the bandwagon. I was a total PS2 freak... but Sony sorta lost me on this one, partially in pricing, but also in their attitude, which makes it seem like they've completely lost any interest in playing to my psychographic. The XBox looked boorish and completely uninterested in anything I'd be interested in last generation, but with Blue Dragon, and a host of other games, I'm kinda thinking I might get one eventually. Bottom line, to me, Sony seem like the "bad guys" right now, and it really rubs off on every game I play on their systems now, and I can't seem to get over that.

I call FUD (3, Informative)

austinpoet (789122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245280)

It's for a single 1 week period. Not overall

Re:I call FUD (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245496)

It's not so much FUD as it is "Holy crap, hell must have frozen over"

Re:I call FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245624)

Indeed. What a sensationalist headline.

Zounds! Blue Dragon also outsold Final Fantasy VII this week!

Re:I call FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245694)

Yeah, damn it! It casts Microsoft in a better light than Nintendo! I call FUD!!!11 FUD FUD FUD1!!!

Re:I call FUD (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245698)

Agreed. This whole thing is a bit ridiculous. I'm a X360 fanboy and all, and it'd rock for the 360 to succeed in Japan. But really, to pretend that the 360 is anything but a gigantic failure in Japan is just delusional thinking. If MS can release a Blue Dragon equivalent every month, maybe they'd have a chance of getting a minority market share, but at this rate it's just going to be a lot of money wasted for almost no gain in market share.

Come on, 80K units? How many units of 360's are actually in Japan? 200K? That's pathetic, the DS Lite sells more units in a WEEK than MS has sold all YEAR.

Re:I call FUD (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245942)

If MS can release a Blue Dragon equivalent every month, maybe they'd have a chance of getting a minority market share, but at this rate it's just going to be a lot of money wasted for almost no gain in market share.

If MS can hit the mark with games which sell well in both Japan and the West, the money won't be wasted.

Re:I call FUD (2, Interesting)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247828)

If MS can hit the mark with games which sell well in both Japan and the West, the money won't be wasted.

Except 80K units in the first week is pretty low for a game with both Toriyama and Uematsu's names attached ot it (art and music, respectively). This is like a Spielberg movie grossing $10M on the opening weekend - sure, not bad for your average *movie*, but it's still completely below par given the talent associated.

I really do hope MS can make the 360 work in Japan, at least as a 2nd-place contender, but it's really not looking good. God knows how much Toriyama cost to bring over, and 80K units, or perhaps 200K lifetime units, will simply not cut it.

Uhh... FUD? (1)

metalmario (717434) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245364)

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game20061207.shtml [the-magicbox.com] Nov 27 - Dec 3, Zelda for Wii sold 139,011 copies. But it didn't sell enough to hit the charts during Dec 4 - 10? Or did they just forget to list it?

misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245464)

It seems a little ridiculous to me to compare the sales of a game for the 360 (which has been out for a year and is readily available to purchase) and a game for the wii, which is a brand new console that is in short supply. I know plenty of friends who would buy zelda in a heartbeat but are holding out because they aren't able to secure the wii itself. The numbers also don't account for those people waiting for the gamecube release of zelda for whatever reason (can't find a wii, can't afford a wii, don't like the wii's control scheme, etc).

TFA does concede that the lack of wii availability may be a factor but doesn't mention anything about the factor of the gamecube version, nor does it stop them from making sensational misleading headlines and opening statements. Not saying that the blue dragon sales aren't impressive and a nice boost for microsoft but it just seems silly to compare it to zelda sales given the current factors.

Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17245534)

Zonk, please stop.

Stupid alarmist articles... (1)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245762)

You could speculate that perhaps quantaties of the game - and especially the Wii hardware - have become near-impossible to secure in Japan...

Speculate? Unless Japan's love of Nintendo has fallen off a cliff, that's exactly what's happening. You don't buy the game if you don't have a Wii. There aren't any Wiis to buy. Therefore, people aren't going to buy the game.

Personally, I'm amazed there are enough 360s in Japan for the game to sell that well, going from Microsoft's abysmal track record there thus far.

WiiBay? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246652)

You don't buy the game if you don't have a Wii. There aren't any Wiis to buy.

Doesn't Japan have some sort of WiiBay for people willing to spend 500K yen?

Re:WiiBay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17247610)

In Japan, instead of ebay it is yahoo!auctions who is king.

Three market reasons why meaningless (4, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245834)

1. More people have xBox360 systems in Japan today, thus the market for new Japan-friendly games (which have been in short supply until recently) is much much bigger than the only just-released Wii console users (only 400,000 sold on release week in Japan, all they could ship, not a one left).

2. There aren't any RPG games to speak of for the Wii yet - all the cool Japan-friendly game releases for these won't be around until late this year or in first quarter of 2007 - thus, while one could "call" Zelda an RPG, it isn't. You only get to play Link, just to start.

3. As the market share of Wii consoles continues growing rapidly, the number of copies of Zelda - and the eventual Japan-friendly RPGs - will skyrocket. Hard to play a game when you don't have the console yet. As Japan market share goes past 1 million Wiis by January, they will sell more games.

The numbers are interesting, the comparison is not (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246028)

I agree. The numbers, by themselves, are interesting. But comparing to anything else, such as "outsells Zelda" is not. It's not particularly fair, for all the reasons you've mentioned.

Now, a couple weeks from now, it'll be more interesting to see how many 360 units Blue Dragon will help sell. Having a one-time spike from Sakaguchi/Toriyama/Uematsu fans is nice, but what MS and Mistwalker really would like is for word-of-mouth to take over and convince more mainstream gamers to pick up the title and a 360. It would be similar to how GTA3 really convinced mainstream gamers in the US to pick up a PS2, because they had to check it out. Of course, there are some huge differences between Blue Dragon and GTA3 (locale, price of the console, competition, etc.).

That said, I've heard lots of wonderful things about this game, so I can't wait until it comes state-side. I am almost done with FFXII, and have been a bit displeased that it's gone away from it's "JRPG" roots. It's still a great game, but playing DQVIII last year reminded me how traditional JRPG games, while "old school", can still be a lot of fun.

Re:Number, Comparisons, and Untapped Markets (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246356)

One of the interesting questions is when will game designers who sell a certain type of game in Japan realize the vast untapped markets in the US for the same kind of game? I've seen tons of reviews on G4 TV for many Japan-only games that I know many many Americans would love to play.

Even if they were Japanese-spoken with English online help, my guess is the untapped market for such games is vast - and growing.

But if they just had some local American voice dub talent redub it, even if it were kind of quirky, the market would be huge.

One hopes the Wii designers will realize this and plan to port games they used to think of as Japan-only to US and Canadian markets.

Re:Three market reasons why meaningless (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246644)

Actually that's probably not true. The 360 sold 80k in 2005 and 100k up to November (last time numbers came out). The Wii has already outsold the 360 in Japan, selling over 280k (based on the highest selling game, so probably more than that). Even if each Blue Dragon was a new console then the 360 wouldn't have as many units out in Japan as the Wii.

Still, I'm wondering what's going on with Zelda. Getting outsold by Wii Sports and Wii Play either means the series is out of favour, people are waiting for the Cube version, Nintendo didn't make enough discs (are they stupid?) or perhaps even that more casual gamers represent a much bigger demand and most Zelda fans can't find a Wii to buy. You'd expect the Zelda folk to be the ones camping out though.

Re:Three market reasons why meaningless (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246742)

Still, I'm wondering what's going on with Zelda. Getting outsold by Wii Sports and Wii Play either means the series is out of favour, people are waiting for the Cube version, Nintendo didn't make enough discs (are they stupid?) or perhaps even that more casual gamers represent a much bigger demand and most Zelda fans can't find a Wii to buy. You'd expect the Zelda folk to be the ones camping out though.

In another one of my posts, I point out that Zelda isn't that big of a title in Japan:

http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=211854&c id=17246614 [slashdot.org]

It sells well, but is not Nintendo's biggest franchise in Japan by a long shot.

The other important thing to consider is that the entire market in Japan has shifted after Nintendo released the DS; I wouldn't be surprised to see that gamers were looking for more unconventional ways to play unconventional games in Japan.

Re:Three market reasons why meaningless (1)

LeninZhiv (464864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247122)


Still, I'm wondering what's going on with Zelda. Getting outsold by Wii Sports and Wii Play either means the series is out of favour, people are waiting for the Cube version, Nintendo didn't make enough discs (are they stupid?) or perhaps even that more casual gamers represent a much bigger demand and most Zelda fans can't find a Wii to buy. You'd expect the Zelda folk to be the ones camping out though.


You get Wii Sports with the console, and you get Wii Play when you buy a second controller. That in and of itself should be enough to explain how they outsell Zelda overall, especially since a lot of non-traditional gamer types are buying these things, many of whom have never heard of Zelda. I imagine very few at-launch buyers who do buy Zelda don't buy a second controller at the same time, so there's no way for Zelda to gain numbers on Wii Play and Wii Sports.

If Zelda doesn't sell a lot more than any non-bundled launch title, though, I will be very surprised.

Re:Three market reasons why meaningless (1)

catprog (849688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247486)

Wii sports did not come bundled in japan

Comics, too. (1)

Frumply (999178) | more than 7 years ago | (#17245904)

A Blue Dragon comic started running last week on comic magazine Weekly Shonen Jump to coincide with the game release. The fact that the artist for another popular series, Death Note, is creating the comic is drawing just as much attention as the game's Toriyama-based characters.

Would you buy a game for PS4 today? (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246066)

Nintendo is sold out of wii. There are very few fanatics who'd buy a game without owning a console to run it on. So it would be really odd if Zelda outsold Wii, and Wii sales are currently capped by supply, not by demand. If you look at the figures, great most of current happy Wii owners already have the Zelda. What percent of Japaneese XBOX 360 owners bought Blue Ghost though?

Pointless (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246088)

The Wii was only out there for a couple weeks of the time measured. This sounds to me like an attempt to make the 360 look better in Japan. Fact is its doing terrible. Latest news shows that total 360 shipments are less in the last year than the Wii or PS3 have amounted in their few weeks. Glad the game is doing well as it looks cool. But this kinda stuff just further shows how despirate they are to make it look like they arnt doing so poorly.

1 per year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246122)

So Microsoft's strategy is to release 1 RPG per year for the 360. I guess I'll pick one up around 2009.

and for those STILL w/o a Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246144)

find one with my app - http://www.zootalor.com/ [zootalor.com] . There is still time left.

Japanese Halo (1)

androvsky (974733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246216)

It's great when Blue Dragon sells 80,000 copies, but when you consider that there's only a grand total of 170,000 xbox 360s in Japan, well... don't expect Blue Dragon sales to hold up. *cough* There's already far more Wiis in Japan than 360s, the only reason Blue Dragon sells so quickly is it's the only game for 360 owners to buy. It's like Halo here, the game practically came with the xbox1.

Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17246354)

Which is rather surprising. Although not as surprising as a game on a console that already has a smaller userbase outselling it. If Microsoft can keep this up, they just might be on the uptake in Japan. I'd be interested to see next week's sales.

-Moses

Re:Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (4, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246614)

The Legend of Zelda isn't all that popular in Japan:

Sales (in Millions)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time(N64); Sales= 4.08(US) 1.46(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda (NES); Sales= 3.80(US) 1.02(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Link To The Past (SNES);Sales= 2.46(US) 1.16 Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Adventure Of Link (NES);Sales= 2.22(US) 1.61(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Wind Waker (GC); Sales= 2.41(US) 0.86(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of Ages / Seasons(GB); Sales= 1.81(US) 1.03(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Links Awakening (GB); Sales= 2.24(US) 0.54(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Majoras Mask; Sales= 1.89(US) 0.74(Japan)
  • The Legend Of Zelda: Link To The Past (GBA); Sales= 1.61(US) 0.34(Japan)

Re:Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247572)

You forgot one:

The Legend of Zelda: National Population; Total= 298.44 (US), 127.76 (Japan).

With the simplifying assumption that population is a proxy for console sales (its not quite, because younger demographics buy more and that favors the US, too), you'd expect the US to routinely post 2.33 times the sales of Japan for equally popular goods. That adjustment factor makes that list a crapshoot -- over half of the games on it were, relatively speaking, more popular in Japan.

Re:Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247588)

Um, what do those statistics prove? That the USA has a larger population, and thus purchase more console software than Japan?

Dan East

Re:Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (3, Informative)

edwdig (47888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247636)

Typing "population of japan" into Google gives: 127,417,244
Typing "population of united states" into Google gives: 295,734,134
That's a ratio of 2.32

Ratio of game sales, based on your numbers:
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time(N64); Sales= 4.08(US) 1.46(Japan) = 2.79
        * The Legend Of Zelda (NES); Sales= 3.80(US) 1.02(Japan) = 3.73
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Link To The Past (SNES);Sales= 2.46(US) 1.16 Japan) = 2.12
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Adventure Of Link (NES);Sales= 2.22(US) 1.61(Japan) = 1.38
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Wind Waker (GC); Sales= 2.41(US) 0.86(Japan) = 2.8
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Oracle Of Ages / Seasons(GB); Sales= 1.81(US) 1.03(Japan) = 1.76
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Links Awakening (GB); Sales= 2.24(US) 0.54(Japan) = 4.15
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Majoras Mask; Sales= 1.89(US) 0.74(Japan) = 2.55
        * The Legend Of Zelda: Link To The Past (GBA); Sales= 1.61(US) 0.34(Japan) = 4.74

Total US Sales = 22.52 million
Total Japan Sales = 8.76 million
Ratio = 2.57

Totals ignoring the remake:
US = 20.91
Japan = 8.42
Ratio = 2.48

When you factor in the population differences, there isn't much of a difference in sales. Yes, as a whole, the US likes Zelda slightly more than Japan does. But that varies wildly from title to title, with the biggest difference being Japan really didn't care for the GBA remake of the SNES game.

Re:Zelda Wasn't Even in the Top 10 (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 7 years ago | (#17248062)

JAPAN - Population: 127,463,611 (July 2006 est.) US - Population: 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.) So some of the Zelda games have a higher sales per head of population in the US, some in Japan. The series is popular in both countries, I believe.

Whoa! The numbers are totally misrepresented! (5, Informative)

qjereq (443633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246464)

Indeed, Blue Dragon did outsell Zelda during Blue Dragon's launch week. According to the numbers at GAF [gamesarefun.com] , Blue Dragon placed 4th overall in Japan with 80,348 units sold during the week of 12/04 - 12/10. Zelda did not even make the top 10. However, Zelda launched the week before (11/27 - 12/03). In that week, Zelda placed 4th overall with 139,011 units sold. Furthermore, Zelda launched on 12/02 so that means it sold 139K+ units in just two days, whereas Blue Dragon launched on 12/07, giving it four days to amass its 80K+ sales.

Hardware availability had little to do with Blue Dragon outselling Zelda last week. XBox360 has been out for a year in Japan but had barely sold over 100K units before Blue Dragon came out. The Wii sold 350K units in its first two days. (Last week's hardware numbers have not been reported yet.)

Correction: XBox 360 sales in Japan are over 178K (2, Informative)

qjereq (443633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246592)

Oops, perhaps I jumped the gun on the lifetime XBox 360 sales number. According to gamasutra [gamasutra.com] , 178,069 XBox 360 consoles have sold in Japan during its lifetime as of last week. That's much higher than 100K and I doubt that the extra 78K units were sold just last week. ...or did they?

Surprise? (1)

realinvalidname (529939) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246654)

Producer Hironobu Sakaguchi produced most of the good Final Fantasy games. Designer Akira Toriyama did the Dragon Ball manga and the Dragon Quest games. Composer Nobuo Uematsu's music from Final Fantasy is so popular, it's played at special symphonic concerts.

Even the XBox's low esteem in the Japanese market can't screw this up.

Analogy:

Hey, kids, who wants to see a movie about an archeologist?
Noooooooo!
Hey, kids, who wants to see a movie about an archeologist played by Han Solo, directed by the Jaws and Close Encounters guy, and produced by the Star Wars guy?
Yaaaaayyyy!

statistical manipulation (1)

Triv (181010) | more than 7 years ago | (#17246780)

The thing is, the Wii has been out for a few weeks; the XBox 360 has been out for close to a year. More XBoxes means more potential game purchases. Now, if we were comparing sales of the new Zelda game to the sales of some XBox game from a similar place in the XBox's lifecycle, that'd be something. This really is apples and oranges.

Triv

Not Surprising: No Wiis (1)

jdubois79 (227349) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247150)

Granted I have not read TFA, but this comes a little surprise to me, as it is currently impossible to purchase a Wii, even in the most country of country in Japan.

I was lucky enough to have a pre-order and get my wii (and zelda) on launch day, but since then, there have been almost no wiis available in any stores (I'm searching for a wii twice a week at about 3 stores, and still have had no luck).

If no one has the hardware, no one will buy the game.

Outsells in Launch Week, Anyway (1)

strech (167037) | more than 7 years ago | (#17247628)

As has been pointed out, Blue Dragon only outsold Zelda in Blue Dragon's launch week. Zelda sold 146,250 [vgcharts.org] * in its launch week last week, compared to 80,000 for Blue Dragon this week.

Incidentally, if you use the console comparison thing, the 360's 1 year launch lead wasn't a helpful factor for Blue Dragon, as the Wii had an installed base lead of 170,000 [vgcharts.org] after its launch week; almost all of that launch day, for that matter. The lead is probably a little smaller now - Blue Dragon has been heavily marketed and bundled so it'll be a good week for 360s, and I don't know how many Wiis Nintendo is shipping to Japan weekly. Still, I haven't seen the charts themselves, just seen the vague references in the article.

*(Note: Link appears to point to a page that changes weekly; I couldn't find a permalink. 03 Dec is the Wii Launch Week).

RTFA (2, Informative)

Crysalim (936188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17248044)

It outsold Zelda this week. Zelda launched last week. The title is wrong.

The real story, without falsified title [digitalbattle.com]

Basically, Zelda sold twice the amount Blue Dragon did in its first week (140,000 to 70,000). Did Zonk even click the link he cited for the story? :/

Why this still isn't good news for Microsoft. (1)

justchris (802302) | more than 7 years ago | (#17248398)

It's great that Blue Dragon made it into the top ten in it's launch week.

The bad news is, even with the Blue Dragon/360 Core bundle, it still didn't manage to outsell the PS3, and didn't even come close to matching sales of the Wii for the same week. There are still more Wii's and PS3's in Japan than 360's, and it remains to be seen whether Blue Dragon will have the legs necessary to give 360 a real sales boost, or whether it will fade out after this.

It's a significant accomplishment (although not quite as much as the summary tries to make out), but it's still pretty underwhelming.
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