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U.S. Safety Commision 'Keeping an Eye' on the Wii

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the watching-the-flying-wiimote dept.

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In the wake of this past week's offer from Nintendo to replace our Wiimote straps, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission says they'll be keeping an eye on the situation in the future. For the time being they are satisfied with Nintendo's handling of the problem. Just the same, Kotaku reports that the organization wants to make sure there aren't a lot of subsequent 'flying Wiimote' incidents. From the article: "Because Nintendo self-reported the issue, the commission will not do its own investigation unless new issues crop up with the new strap. 'If the problem continues with the new strap that's where we might step in," she said. "We also would have to decide if it's a safety issue.' Vallese added that that means that if remotes were, for instance, smashing into a television hard enough to cause the tube to explode or somehow stop working in a dangerous way, it could also be deemed a safety issue."

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Overboard (5, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267124)

I think people are _really_ going overboard with this entire things now. It's not as if the controllers are launching themselves. As nice/good as it is of Nintendo to replace the straps. This is just settings the bar lower for common sense. If your hand is sweaty, please dry it off for the sake of people around you. I'm curious as to how much tension the straps takes before breaking myself, and also how the replacement straps fair in that metric. But really, the controllers aren't supposed to be flying (or are games somehow requiring this?). Has anyone been able to actually damage the remote itself? It seems as if it is near indistructable.

Re:Overboard (3, Interesting)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267136)

Nintendo should never have put straps on in the first place. They should have just told people to not let go.

On another note, Gizmodo [gizmodo.com] has a bit on how strong the strap is...pretty strong if you ask me.

Re:Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17271450)

"They should have just told people to not let go."

This brings to mind the Simpsons episode where Bart fell down the well and Willy makes sure nobody will ever fall down there again by placing a "Caution: Well" sign about 50 feet away from it.

People get told not to have car accidents, don't they? And look! They still do! Guess that's why they call them accidents, and that's why there's a whole shitload of safety precautions taken, such as seatbelts and shatter-proof windshields.

Re:Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17278054)

Um, a car crash withot a seat belt is likely to kill you while being clumsy with a game controller is not likely to really hurt anyone.
So what if some idiot breaks some equipment? It's not the end of the world. More like a learning opportunity.

Re:Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17280754)

So everyone who has an accident of some sort, any sort, is an idiot?

Hmm. I think people like you are more idiotic than someone who simply had an accident.

Re:Overboard (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17273406)

I actually quite like the strap, even if I'm playing something as kineticly tame as Zelda, it really feels like I'm "strapped in" to the game, it actually adds an extra little layer of immersion, in a funny way. I think it's comforting, for some reason. I don't know if other people have found this to be the case, or not, but a lot of people are wearing the straps.

Re:Overboard (0, Flamebait)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17276444)

Yeah, I'm going to wear the broken strap and a frown for halloween next year. I'll be going as the poor sucker who paid $250 for a box that's worth maybe $90 and then broke his $3000 tv playing with it.

Re:Overboard (1)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17277516)

"Nintendo should never have put straps on in the first place. They should have just told people to not let go."
GM never should have put seat belts into cars in the first place. They should have just told people to not let go.

Your argument is foolish. The Wii manual specifically states that people should not "let go"; adding a safety precaution on top of that is a good step. Now, go roast in hell.

Re:Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17280108)

Is the strap breaking or is it detaching from the unit? To me, it looked like the replacement strap wasn't really any thicker (and so probably not stronger.) It looked like the mechanism holding the strap into the body of the Wiimote was redesigned.. That is, I don't get the impression the strap was snapping, but was perhaps pulling out of the unit under the right circumstances.

Re:Overboard (1)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267144)

If your hand is sweaty, please dry it off for the sake of people around you.
Exactly - just like if you playing real (as in life) tennis - which you wouldn't do in the lounge, would you? Would a sane person play football there? Or practice Jujitsu in the kitchen?

Re:Overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17267544)

Playing a video game is not playing tennis or football. Not even close.

EXACTLY. (2, Insightful)

dolson (634094) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269746)

That is exactly why people should NOT be letting go of the *video game controller.* Playing a bowling video game is not the same as playing bowling in real life. Not even close. So don't let go of the damn controller.

Missed the point (1)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17288668)

It starts to get similar when you design the controllers to work like the implements used in the real game. You know, like waving your arms around and stuff?

Re:Overboard (1)

Ignis Flatus (689403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17275392)

Exactly - just like if you playing real (as in life) tennis - which you wouldn't do in the lounge, would you? Would a sane person play football there? Or practice Jujitsu in the kitchen?
yeah, but neither would a sane person play tennis or football for 36 hours straight. you're not dealing with sane people here, these are gamers.

Re:Overboard (1)

CriminalNerd (882826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267406)


It seems as if it is near indistructable.

Haven't you heard? Nintendo hardware is more durable than most. Have you ever had your parents chuck your GBA out the window, watch it roll sideways down the hill and land in some bushes, retrieve it, and see that it's still intact AND working withonly three small scratches on the screen?

Heck, they're even MORE durable than the televisions!!!

Not only overboard, but great press! (4, Insightful)

gmezero (4448) | more than 7 years ago | (#17268414)

This is awsome press coverage for Nintendo that they don't even have to pay for. "Oooh look, Nintendo is dangerous! The Governement is keeping their eye on them." It's almost always good to play the bad-boy card in the U.S. market. Consumers eat it up. :) Anyone who wasn't thinking about buying a Wii might think that they should check to see what all the fuss is about... and if it makes another sale, cha-ching!

Two problems with your arguement (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17291662)

First of all, you bet your ass they're paying for it! A full recall (although they're not calling it that) on all the straps on the Wiimotes is going to cost them. Even if only 10% or something actually do send their's back, that's hundreds of thousands in shipping, repackaging, and wages for people having to put them back on.

Secondly, I don't think this could be FURTHER from the "bad boy card". This is Nintendo, voluntarely standing up, saying, "there's a problem with our product, we don't want anyone to get hurt, so bring it in and we'll fix it." I'm not sure if it quite plays the "pussy card" (not as much as DS friend codes, or anything like that), but it sure as hell isn't going to come across as "rebel" in ANYONE'S book.

Re:Overboard (2, Insightful)

DaSH Alpha (979904) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269294)

Yeah, I think they should be investigating the people who didn't develop very good motor skills in childhood instead. I've never even come close to releasing the controller from my hand, although I have come close a few times to hitting stuff around me (coffee table, cats) while playing bowling and tennis. But I'm not going to be a moron and blame Nintendo for my lack of proper attention.

Re:Overboard (1)

Shirloki (563610) | more than 7 years ago | (#17273630)

Hang on now! We can't let people take the blame for their own actions! That's what lawyers call attractive nuisance. If a kid down the street steals gasoline from your car and severely burns himself, OF COURSE it's your fault! You parked the damn thing in your driveway!

Re:Overboard (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17286378)

I'm curious as to how much tension the straps takes before breaking myself, and also how the replacement straps fair in that metric

My straps haven't snapped yet, but they are starting to fray where they loop on the wiimote, and I'm not even swinging it in full motion like those people you see in online wiisaster videos.

I guess that eventually the string just becomes too weak from fraying.

They should buy a Wii (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267132)

and conduct extensive tests. Its the only way to be sure.

Re:They should buy a Wii (2, Funny)

AWhistler (597388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267880)

...until they nuke their TV from orbit.

Re:They should buy a Wii (1)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17268058)

Whats with this Meme?

Re:They should buy a Wii (2, Funny)

Andy Gardner (850877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17268122)

Its the only way to be sure, man.

Re:They should buy a Wii (1)

Disseminated (1022915) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269514)

But then it's Game Over man... Game over!

Re:They should buy a Wii (1)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269840)

Hudson: Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we talking about this for?
Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Hudson: Fuckin' A...
Burke: Ho-ho-hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.
Ripley: They can bill me.

From Aliens (1986) [imdb.com]

Uh... what? (4, Insightful)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267150)

People get whacked in the head with golf clubs, tennis clubs, all sorts of stuff all the time. Safety Commision pays no heed.

People have thrown cellphones and remotes across the room in frusturation before. Safety Commision pays no heed.

Nintendo implements tool to keep device from being thrown across room. Nintendo then upgrades tool and offers replacement of 'inferior' version to try and keep accidents down. And now the Safety Commision is a bit concerned? For. Fucks. Sake.

mod parent up, underrated (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267182)

n/t

Re:Uh... what? (5, Informative)

An Anonymous Coward (236011) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267224)

From TFA:

"She said that there are two ways in which the commission can get involved in a product safety issue. One is by discovering the problem on their own, either through consumer complaints or their own research, the other is by the company notifying them of an issue.

In this case Nintendo contacted the commission and asked to fast track the solution, which involved offering to replace about 2 million Wii remote safety straps.

Because Nintendo self-reported the issue, the commission will not do its own investigation unless new issues crop up with the new strap."

So the Commision is only getting involved because Nintendo asked them to.

Re:Uh... what? (3, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269150)

Good point. The synopsis makes it sound like the Safety Council will be following the Wiimote strap very closely, as if it's some big concern. This quote, though, still make me wonder:

Vallese added that that means that if remotes were, for instance, smashing into a television hard enough to cause the tube to explode or somehow stop working in a dangerous way, it could also be deemed a safety issue.
Going back to my OP, how is that any different than someone throwing a TV remote at the screen in frusturation? That's probably not any more uncommon than these incidents with the Wiimote. The tube explosion is unintended in either case, though the reasons for throwing the device are quite different. I don't see the Safety Council leaning on remote manufacturers about this.

Re:Uh... what? (2, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 6 years ago | (#17270202)

As a guess, I would say that it is a matter of scale ...

The Gamecube sold 12 Million systems in North America and I think it is pretty safe to assume the Wii will sell more than that...

If 1% of person-play-sessions result in a dropped controller and 1% of those are thrown with enough force to cause damage to a TV and if you assume 1-person-playsession/console-day you would get 1,200 Wiimotes thrown a day or about 420,000/year; if 1% of those caused an exploding TV you'd have 4,200 exploding TVs/year.

Do I think that the rate would be that high? No, but I think that is the reason they're investigating it ...

Re:Uh... what? (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 6 years ago | (#17271802)

Did you miss the part where they're not investigating it?

Re:Uh... what? (1)

ultranova (717540) | more than 6 years ago | (#17270724)

Going back to my OP, how is that any different than someone throwing a TV remote at the screen in frusturation? That's probably not any more uncommon than these incidents with the Wiimote. The tube explosion is unintended in either case, though the reasons for throwing the device are quite different.

Since the tube contains a vacuum, if it gets cracked there's going to be an implosion, not explosion.

Re:Uh... what? (1)

Izhido (702328) | more than 7 years ago | (#17287310)

Dude, you're not getting it. TV remotes are not supposed to be thrown at a TV screen, just to point at it so we can do things with the TV. Wiimotes, in the other hand, are >>intended to be moved at high speed in all directions, and many of them, towards the TV screen. If you throw a TV remote at the screen, it's your fault if it gets broken. If you throw your Wiimote at your screen, it's because you (and, probably, Nintendo) were expected to do it, and if your screen gets broken, it is an accident. One that, many people would think, shouldn't be happening. I think that's why the Council is intervening. Good for Nintendo to pay attention to the issue, and reinforcing the straps so it doesn't happen as often as it is now. Though... I still think we should be holding the 'motes a little firmer, y'know...

Re:Uh... what? (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269748)

By being so unconventionally honest and open Nintendo has also probably limited (most of) the legal fall out from this recall. I'm not a lawyer but from my limited understanding of the law (which varies from country to contry and state to state) if you can demonstrate that you practiced due-diligence the legal consequences are far less severe.

Re:Uh... what? (1)

Wordplay (54438) | more than 6 years ago | (#17271494)

Which makes it a minor wonder that it's quite so unconventional. You'd think more companies would want to limit their liability, since trying to keep secrets works less and less well as people become better informed through the internet.

Of course, I don't know if it's all that rare anymore. Microsoft did the same thing with the Xbox power cord issue, and the Xbox 360 warranty extensions, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples where an infrequent issue was publicized reasonably widely and the company kicked down for a free replacement.

Nintendo still deserves a lot of kudos though. It didn't take them long to make the decision, and it's in line with the rest of their customer service. They're really exemplary in that regard.

Re:Uh... what? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 7 years ago | (#17278808)

Which makes it a minor wonder that it's quite so unconventional. You'd think more companies would want to limit their liability, since trying to keep secrets works less and less well as people become better informed through the internet.

Less and less is still >0. They've still got Marketroids saying that things like that are bad for PR. The truth is, the only time anyone actually says "There's no such thing as bad press." is when they're knee-deep in it and trying to appear glib and unconcerned (or are a /. armchair MBA)

Re:Uh... what? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#17268660)

And now the Safety Commision is a bit concerned?

Yes, exactly. They're a "bit" concerned. That's it. That's all. How can you be that outraged over them NOT TAKING ACTION?

I haven't gotten my Wii yet... (3, Informative)

SpectreHiro (961765) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267162)

... But when I finally get mine, I think I might do a little home modding on my Wii-Motes. I've got standard-issue sweaty geek palms, so a little Grip Tape [wikipedia.org] might be a good idea. Considering the fact that my elderly parents are also interested in playing (not to mention my goofy nieces), the TV will probably appreciate it.

Re:I haven't gotten my Wii yet... (1)

Enoxice (993945) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269944)

You can also get some stylish wiimote condoms: http://keentop.en.alibaba.com/product/0/51328074/W II_Remote_Control_Silicone_Sleeve.html [alibaba.com]

I haven't personally tried one, but according to third-party testimonial they get the job done quite well.

Re:I haven't gotten my Wii yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17272166)

They make hitting the one and 2 buttons at the same time very hard though.

I had to take mine off to play Gunstar Heros.

Otherwise they'regreat. Also the rubber should protect whatever they hit somewhat (though I doubt I would ever accidently drop one).

Re:I haven't gotten my Wii yet... (1)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 7 years ago | (#17289518)

Yup, they work great. Both my brother and my father have bought Wiis (I've just been unlucky and not gotten one yet) and all 4 of the Wii-motes (2 for each system) have the condoms. The grip on them is great, we've played numerous hours of the Golf and Bowling games and never once had a Wii-mote slip out of hand. Of course, we are all rather sane in the amount of force we use, so this has not really been tested in extreme conditions. Also, they make Wii-mote identification easier. You get one in a color you like, and you can be fairly certain of which Wii-mote to use; sure they have the blue LED to tell them apart, but color coding is quicker (just ask any D&D player about dragons).

Here's a tip to Nintendo (4, Funny)

zarkzervo (634677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267226)

Drop the American market. It's just a matter of time before some idiot uses a real bat on a controller, spreading plastic splinters all over his mates. "How would I supposed to know that a real bat would destroy the wiimote? Nintendo should make it impossible to throw the wiimote. They should pay me a gadzjillion dollars!" If Nintendo drops the american market, we here in Europe could get some ;)

My experience. (4, Funny)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267326)

I've had a Wii since launch. I've dropped the remote once or twice while playing (I think both times were while boxing. I'm terrible at the game, so I pretty much do the equivalent of button mashing, which is waving it around wildly). The strap held up just fine.

A more serious incident was when I was playing Baseball with my girlfriend's 5 year old daughter. She was pitching, and I was batting. She was standing almost directly in front of the TV as usual, and I was standing further back, near the wall so that I was out of reach of her. What happened was she pitched the ball, and then stepped back for some reason. I was taking a swing at the ball, and I was fairly focused on the TV. I heard a very satisfying CRACK! as the remote hit her head, and the bat hit the ball. I got a home run. She got a hurt head. And learned an important lesson about Wii safety. She hasn't done that again. ;-)

(Yeah, I know that I'm a bastard. But surprisingly, she wasn't that hurt, despite me whacking her in the back of the head nearly as hard as I could. (The battery cover flew off of the remote, but it was otherwise undamaged, and the battery cover didn't break))

Re:My experience. (4, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267800)

What lesson did she learn? Stay away from Mom's boyfriend or get beaten? Good god, you dumb fuck, if you're playing with 5-year-olds, you're the one to be careful.

Re:My experience. (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17268228)

What lesson did she learn?
She learned that the Wii remote is well made and durable.

Re:My experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17272886)

Boy, there sure are a lot of judgemental pieces of shit on this board.

I've always noticed that people who dole out "advice" on how other people should do things are thoroughly fucking incapable of doing things properly themselves.

Re:My experience. (1)

WCLPeter (202497) | more than 7 years ago | (#17274342)

My grandmother had 16 kids so I have many nieces, nephews and cousins. At family functions, being the "fun" uncle, I'm usually tapped to supervise and play with those kids. I can tell you with certainty, kids are unpredictable bundles of pure energy. It doesn't matter how careful you are in playing with them, you *will* unintentionaly hurt them.

Kids are pretty smart in their own way, but they don't have the same wisdom and level of understanding of the world as adults do. They *will* do things no sane adult would do, they *will* fall down, they *will* get hurt. If they ask you to play catch and they bend down to tie a shoe after you've thrown the ball, don't be shocked if the ball hits them in the head.

Obviously that wasn't what you would inteded to happen, but it did and it hurts. Now, every time their sibling pokes the bump on their head, the "Ow!" they yelp out reminds them to pay attention to their surroundings and be certain they're ready before I throw the ball.

Which, if you think about it, is the same lesson learned by the young lady in the original posting.

Re:My experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17282342)

I'm the mom of the 5 year old. She actually turned 6 just after the "incident". You, sir, are overreacting. I am very protective of my kids, and if I thought Grey was a danger to them there is no way I'd let him anywhere near. He does not "beat" my kids. If he ever hit one of them he knows damn well he'd never be let near them or me again.

My living room is very small and when we play Wii Sports games we have no choice but to stand somewhat close together. My daughter made an error in judgement and got whacked with the remote. This is not as if Grey did it on purpose, nor like he used his fist. My daughter is also very outspoken and not afraid of anyone. She will tell you right to your face if you have pissed her off. If he had indeed hurt her, she would have definitely been crying or telling him or me that it hurt.

This is a 6 year old that will wrestle her 11 year old brother to the ground. She is not a wuss, and as another poster said, it would be stupid to take a kid to the doctor or emergency room every time they had a minor injury. If she had shown that it hurt longer than just a minute or two OR complained about a headache later I of course would have the sense to take her in. This was a small incident and not some case of child abuse.

Get a grip.

Re:My experience. (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#17282568)

My daughter made an error in judgement and got whacked with the remote.


Great line, applying "error in judgement" to a 5-year-old.

Anyway, the two of you are dumb fucks. When you hurt a little kid while rough-housing (even if it's electronic rough-housing) the appropriate response is "hey, I need to be more careful." The response is not "ha ha, she sure learned her lesson."

Look, I'm sure that the kid was all right. It's your attitudes that are crazy.

And relax. I used to work with abused children. The two of you sound far preferable to any of the parents those kids ever had. Playing with your children. Both of you able to read and write. Good times.

I'm still going to call dumb fuck when I see it though. Be a bit more careful playing with the new game system, huh?

Re:My experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17283010)

Look, she made a mistake and stepped back when he was already moving forward. I am well aware that a 5 year old cannot be held responsible for getting hurt when playing with an adult. And, yes, a 5 year old can make an error in judgment in not being fully aware of their surroundings. This does not mean that the adults playing with them do not have responsibility in keeping them safe.

I really resent a condescending asshole like you having the nerve to label me a dumb fuck over this. You don't know me. When my kids get hurt I do not laugh at them. I do try to first get them to shake it off if it isn't serious because kids will overreact to every little bump if you behave like they just lost a fucking limb. Do you really think that if she had been hurt he would have just stood there and laughed? Oh right, we're dumb fucks who are just a step above the parents of the abused kids you worked with, so he would have, right?

And of course there has been more care taken when playing. It happened once. You can take your condescending note to be careful and shove it up your ass.

Re:My experience. (1)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 7 years ago | (#17289732)

Don't let him get to you, either he is trolling or he is one of the dumbfucks that are working to turn out a generation of irresponsible children who have no ability to deal with life. Kids, even as young as 5, should have enough sense to watch where they are going, and when they don't they will often get reminded of it via a bump or scrape. These things happen and are a useful part of growing up. It's one of the reasons humans have evolved to be more durable during their early years, so that these lessons don't kill them outright, as they may later in life.
As long as the child isn't seriously injured it becomes a good lesson in life and everyone moves on. Yup, adults need to keep their eyes open and watch out for kids making mistakes, but shit happens.

Mod Parent Bastard +100 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17268754)

Damn, what an idiot. That amounts to abuse IMO. I think this post belongs on bash.org just out on principle.

Re:Mod Parent Bastard +100 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17270736)

He didn't hit her on purpose; it was an accident for crying out loud. His own post sounds like he made sure she was alright, and he is probably a lot more careful himself after that as well. (If not, then yeah, he is a jerk, but we don't know that.) Accidents happen, I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt at least a little bit based on what he said.

Re:My experience. (2, Insightful)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#17272040)

Wow, that got modded "funny"? If you really did "whack" a five year old on the back of her head "nearly as hard as [you] could," you should take her to a doctor, not make fun of it, even if she doesn't show any symptoms.

Re:My experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17274134)

Wow, that got modded "funny"? If you really did "whack" a five year old on the back of her head "nearly as hard as [you] could," you should take her to a doctor, not make fun of it, even if she doesn't show any symptoms.

Especially if you want her to grow up to be a wussy like you!

Re:My experience. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17274532)

Have you raised a five year old? If you took the kid to the doctor every time they hit their head or some other part of their body, that could be a hell of a lot of doctor visits! He didn't hit her with a baseball bat or punch her straight on - I think she'll be okay. And yes, the kid would be a wuss, too, if you took them to the doctor for every "booboo" they had. Talk about how to raise a hypochondriac.

There's a difference (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17283520)

If you took the kid to the doctor every time they hit their head or some other part of their body,

If you can't see the difference between a girl hitting her head, and her parent whacking her on the head as hard as he can, you shouldn't have kids.

Yup, There's a difference (1)

Valacosa (863657) | more than 7 years ago | (#17285492)

If you can't see the difference between a girl hitting her head, and her parent whacking her on the head as hard as he can, you shouldn't have kids.
He said that he hit her, unintentially. I don't see anywhere where he said he "hit her as hard as he could". If you lack the reading comprehension to see the difference, you shouldn't be on Slashdot.

Wait, I take that back. You're right at home.

Re:Yup, There's a difference (1)

Valacosa (863657) | more than 7 years ago | (#17285548)

Well, fuck me, there it is. Argh. I need sleep. I'm right at home.

Re:My experience. (1)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17279732)

She was rubbing her head for a little bit after I whacked her, but she wasn't even crying. She doesn't have a really low pain tolerance like a lot of 5 year olds, but believe me, if it had hurt her that bad she would be crying.

And no, I wouldn't take her to the hospital for whacking her on the head. I'm not a psych person, but I did take an introductory psychology class. It's a pretty basic principle of psychology that the way we are raised does have a lot of bearing on our mental development. Parents who overreact to every injury or ailment that a child has will generally produce children with extremely low pain tolerance, and borderline hypochondriacs. I've been around enough people who act that way to think that it's not healthy. The instinctive reaction that a person has to a hurt child is not necessarily the correct one.

It's better to overcome your instinct and joke with the kid a little to get them to cheer up rather than fawning over them. Which is exactly what I did with this kid. I laughed, asked if she was okay, pointed at the TV, and said "Look! I got a home run! You should do that every time. Now where did the battery cover go?". Or something like that. But that's the general basis of what I did. There was no bleeding, no bump, and she wasn't that injured. I think that the battery cover flying off absorbed a lot of the shock as kinetic energy.

Re:My experience. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17283536)

It's better to overcome your instinct and joke with the kid a little to get them to cheer up rather than fawning over them.

I'd absolutely agree - if she had fallen down her bike, or hit her head on something, or scraped her knee after stumbling over something. But not if you hit her on hear head as hard as you could. Either you're really weak or really lucky, but hitting a five-year-old on the head as hard as you can can be really dangerous.

Will be funny looking back a year from now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17267364)

We got a Wii a couple weeks ago thinking it would be the perfect system for our apartment with four gamers. It was pretty cool for about a week, but then everyone kind of got bored with it and we are back to playing Guitar Hero when we aren't raiding in WoW. The system reminds me of those toys I desperately wanted for Christmas that lost their luster the day after opening them up and were finally relegated to some closet.

I can't imagine that a few months from now there are going to be that many people still wildly flailing their arms about in Wii games for the strap problem or other Wiimote issues to still be a big deal.

Re:Will be funny looking back a year from now (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17269208)

...when we aren't raiding in WoW.
No wonder you're disappointed with those high gaming standards you have.

Well (2, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267472)

It seems as if the talk about the Wiimote straps breaking is becoming almost as big news as the console itself, if you speak to anyone on internet gaming forums or offline who enjoys console gaming and you bring up the Wii, you will last about 5 minutes before someone tells you a story of how they know somebody who killed their TV/Cat/Sister with the Wiimote flying out of their hands. The BBC [bbc.co.uk] reported some advice from Nintendo and it seems like the last point adresses reason why most people are having this problem - "Do not use excessively rapid, violent or wide swinging motions during game play."

I'd dare say that over 80% of the reason for the breakages right now is because people have been booting up Wii Sports and taking on, say, the Golf game thinking they have a real seven iron in their hands. Of course people are going to pretend it's the real game while playing Baseball or Boxing and with these kind of multiplayer games, when your with a friend you will both pretty easily start going at it with more violent movements. Games such as red steel in the shooting part are unlikely to have that many breakages happen, but as soon as you get into the sword fighting parts people will start thinking they are one of the fourty-seven samurai and start throwing the controller around. It's good to see Nintendo are beefing up the wrist strap with the recall but I still think it's less about product failure and more about people not using common sense while playing - on the flipside of that it is a game console (with a target market of young people), so surely Nintendo should have expected people to get a bit over excited and be at least slightly prepared for this.

Explode? (2, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267518)

"We also would have to decide if it's a safety issue.' Vallese added that that means that if remotes were, for instance, smashing into a television hard enough to cause the tube to explode or somehow stop working in a dangerous way, it could also be deemed a safety issue."
Sheesh, have CRT's been "off the market" so long that people have forgotten how they work? CRT's are big vacuum tubes. Due to the near-vacuum inside them, they will *implode* when broken, not explode. Worst case scenario the cathode guns (at the back of the tube) will try to come out through the front of the tube but will be restrained by the pins attached to the neck board and associated cables. The glass on the front of a tube is so thick (so it doesn't self implode) that you'd virtually have to hit one with a hammer to break it, usually with only the shadow mask getting dislodged and a whole bunch of phosphor with it.

Re:Explode? (2, Insightful)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267710)

I can personally attest to the thin-ass screen on a 14" black and white monitor from goodness-knows-how-long-ago being quite resilient.

It came time to dispose of "ol greener", so I did the only sensible thing: put it face-up in a dustbin and dropped bricks on it. Took quite a few, and then the tube just cracked and slowly filled with air. A wiimote? please.

Re:Explode? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17268914)

>you'd virtually have to hit one with a hammer to break it

So are you saying we should ask hammer manufacturers to attach a strap with their hammers to avoid flinging it while pounding nails (and thus possible hitting a nearby tv)? :D

Re:Explode? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17275778)

Of course, especially on sledgehammers. Nothing says fun like having a 5kg hammer tied to your wrists with a cable that's guaranteed not to break.

Re:Explode? (1)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 6 years ago | (#17271610)

I have actually seen this while working as it-support for a company.
An angry customer had hit the front of a crt-monitor with a hammer.
There where not a shredd of glass outside the tube. Just an "inverted crater" visible through the glass, a hole the size of the hammer-head and a strong smell of what probably was phosphor.

No explotion... =)

Re:Explode? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17278404)

I assure you, it can explode outwards after having seen it myself done to an old TV. When all this glass expodes 'implodes', where do you think it goes then? Neatly forms a tidy pile? It still comes out and can blast pieces of glass to around 30 feet. I've seen it happen.

Suspect someone else is pushing here... (2, Insightful)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267562)

perhaps Microsoft or Sony? Who gains by all this news of Wii remotes smashing televisions then? perhaps some of these breakages are not true accidents? tin foil hat time

Aint no such thing as bad publicity... (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267600)

Yeah, its really in the interest of M$ and Sony to ensure that the Wii gets daily mentions in the media during the run up to ex-mas (along with comments about how excited people are getting over them). Seen anything in the mainstream press about the PS3 last week?

As long as nothing really serious happens, the Nintendo marketing guys should be laughing all the way to the bank. They'll make more than enough to absorb a few ex-gratia payouts for broken tellys.

Re:Suspect someone else is pushing here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17268984)

Actually, yes. People are faking Wiinjuries [joystiq.com] .

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17267586)

the US Safety commision is also looking into baseballs, knives, forks, and every other object that could possibly be thrown at anything, ever.

What are these people smoking?

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17281760)

Warning message on a set of knives:
"Keep out of children"

What about people getting hurt? (0, Redundant)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267632)

Vallese added that that means that if remotes were, for instance, smashing into a television hard enough to cause the tube to explode or somehow stop working in a dangerous way, it could also be deemed a safety issue.

The tube to explode? First of all, since a cathodic tube is filled with vaccum, it might not create such a considerable deflagration, and then, what about people who'd catch Wiimotes in the head/face/eyes?

Re:What about people getting hurt? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17268364)

First of all, since a cathodic tube is filled with vaccum

Is it now...

Excessive Force (4, Insightful)

Kurayamino-X (557754) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267774)

I've seen video of one guy breaking the straps on a Wiimote.
Be was pitching in baseball and threw the fucking controller.
You do not throw the fucking controller.

Aparrantly people seem to thing you have to put the same force behind your movements as if you were actually pitching or hitting or bowling or swinging a golf club. I'm starting to thing WiiSports was a really bad title to include with the console, maybe they should have gone with WiiPlay, I'm sure far fewer dickweeds would fling thier controller with enough force to break thier TV then.

It's not the strap that's broken, the strap is only meant to stop you from accidentally dropping it, it's the retards putting way too much force behind thier movements. Maybe if they used it without the strap they'd be more careful.

Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (2, Interesting)

AWhistler (597388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267846)

Nintendo needs to rethink the Wiimote. While I think that it's just stupid for people to not use the straps (you wouldn't be able to throw the wiimote if you strapped it down), it seems that people are truly becoming immersed in the games, even the ones with inferior graphics, so much so that they start treating their moves like the real thing.

I see a solution is to create Wiimote gloves to keep the controller on the body. And another idea is to create Wiimote ankle controllers. This way games can be created that monitor feet movement (dance, dance revolution kinda thing). Then a new genre can start using game consoles...exercise videos! Imagine it...Jane Fonda's workout video game that could monitor your movements, tell you what you're doing right and wrong, monitor your heart rate (sensor in the glove), estimate calorie burning, save the game and keep a history, and draw charts of the history.

There are issues with the glove (how to remap all the buttons and the trigger), and it may take away from the tactile feel of holding something in your hand, but the safety issue would be solved. Well, except for people smashing into furniture.

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (2, Insightful)

tonyr1988 (962108) | more than 6 years ago | (#17268762)

No, Nintendo needs to do nothing else to change anything. I got my Wii a while ago, and there is not one instance in any game that requires you to get even close to letting go of the remote. I've played with different people, and sometimes we'll even go crazy with the remotes. It's fun to swing your "sword" like a complete nutjob in Zelda, or run back and forth hitting the ball in Tennis (although neither is necessary at all). You don't throw a sword in real-life, you don't let go of a tennis racket, you shouldn't be letting go of the remote. Even the sports where you would let go (bowling), you have to let go of a button, and I (nor anyone I've played with) have never once had a problem trying to let go of the remote itself.

The strap gives you a lot of slack between the remote and your wrist. There is never any stress on it while it's lax and just hanging there. The only time you'd stress the strap enough (even on the original) is if you've not only let go of the remote, but if it's going crazy fast.

It's definitely a user error, far from a design flaw. This is all complete nonsense.

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (1)

AWhistler (597388) | more than 6 years ago | (#17272268)

I agree that this is mostly user error, but if there are enough recalls, or even worse, lawsuits about "design flaws" in the Wii, Nintendo will yank this off the market VERY quickly. I REALLY don't want to see that happen. This is a truly new way of playing games, one in which kids, parents and grandparents can play together without any of them feeling dumb not knowing which strange combination of buttons to push to get an obscure move. Nintendo has really done something good here, so protecting it from the idiots is necessary.

Gloves don't have to be ambidextrous...sell them in pairs, like the nunchucks(sp) now.

As for the straps being enough...how many here play raquetball? The raquets have straps that everyone knows to use, but I have still thrown an occasional raquet when the STRAP slipped off my wrist. Perhaps the best thing they can do is, as suggested by others, make a rubberized grip (like a raquet), and make the strap longer (yes, longer) and tell people to "spin" the wiimote to twist the strap to a loose/tight fit, like a racquet.

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (1)

Sylver Dragon (445237) | more than 7 years ago | (#17289862)

Having played with a Wii, I think that the Wii-mote is a better choice than a glove. Golfing without something in my hand would be awkward, at the very least I can hold the Wii-mote in one hand similarly to how I would hold a club, especially considering you have to hold the 'A' button to hit, it puts your hand in a similar position.
Also, I would recommend everyone get get a Wiimote condom. They improve your grip on it and just generally look good. [ncsxshop.com]

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269292)

".Jane Fonda's workout video game"

the work being lunging forward to spit on a disabled vet. we could have the wiimote strapped to the neck

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17269434)

Or maybe they should make the remotes with rough surfaces at the bottom, instead of smooth plastic, to improve the grip.

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (1)

Wordplay (54438) | more than 6 years ago | (#17271442)

Yeah, Nintendo's tried that glove [wikipedia.org] thing before. It kinda sucked.

Part of the reason the remote works better is because you can hold it in different ways, depending on the type of motion it's trying to simulate, and because it can be used with either hand. And as you say, there's also something very immersive about actually -holding- something. The glove won't be ambidextrous, and it'd be much more difficult to "drive", as you'd have to hold and move your hand in an absolutely specific way to make the motion sensors output correctly. The same applies to the remote, but you have a range of grips you can use on it and still get it to move appropriately.

I must admit, though, I kind of like the concept of being able to use a pointed finger as a mouse pointer. I like the ankle sensor idea, too. Someone will no doubt do that eventually.

Re:Make GLOV ES and Ankle straps (1)

DrScotsman (857078) | more than 7 years ago | (#17280860)

Yeah, Nintendo's tried that glove [wikipedia.org] thing before. It kinda sucked.

If you actually read the URL you linked to, you'd see that it wasn't produced by Nintendo :p

But after seeing the Angry Nintendo Nerd's [youtube.com] video on the Power Glove, I can agree that it kinda sucke.

Best advertising money can buy!! (4, Insightful)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17267896)

This Wii issue is the best advertising money can buy. What's wrong with the product... it's so fun people of all ages (particularly adults, one of their target demographics) are actually breaking the strapp while playing. This doesn't affect the actual functionality of product... you have to be careful... but the games still play and the Wii itself doesn't break. So they'll send out some replacement straps, while the news media covers this story for days demonstrating how to use the Wii, how young and old are using it and having a great time. How you should excercise some restraint while you have all of that fun.

Re:Best advertising money can buy!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17271602)

Ask Firestone how that publicity a few years back worked out for them... On second thought, I'll just tell you:

"The stock market valuation of Bridgestone/Firestone fell from $16.7 billion to $7.5 billion in the four months after the recall was announced, and the top management of Bridgestone/Firestone has been replaced. The company also closed the Decatur plant in December 2001 and considered abandoning the Firestone brand name."

So to all you clowns out there who think any kind of publicity is good publicity, here's proof that you're wrong!

Re:Best advertising money can buy!! (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17273318)

You've been modded down already... but I'd like to take a minute and point out your flaws.

The Bridgestone/Firestone issue was a flaw in the basic functioning of the product... as I said the strap issue "doesn't affect the basic functionality of the product." The replacement costs for Nintendo will be minimal. To avoid the issue people need to restrain themselves (meaning... wow this is so much fun you need to be careful not to get too into it). If the Wii broke after a month. If the controller didn't work right. If it shocked people... sure that's bad publicity. But this isn't one of those situations.

Bridgestone/Firestone does not proove that some publicity about a "failing" can't be good.

Re:Best advertising money can buy!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17281166)

We all know the moderation system around here is broken. It's simply used to hide posts that childish moderators don't agree with. This problem is far more severe with the nintendo articles, it seems. Watch how nearly every critique of a nintendo product gets moderated as far down as it can go as the rabid little fanboys mash their mouse buttons over and over while foaming at the mouth.

However, you misread my post (and maybe the childish moderator did as well), which is why you're confused about the issue.

People keep going around stating that "any publicity is good publicity" and I pointed out that the Firestone case proves that wrong. It only takes ONE piece of evidence to disprove a theory that says "any" in it.

And YES, the strap IS defective. It's not strong enough. It's designed as a safety feature since people will be swinging the thing around inside the house, and it is failing to do its job to the degree it is supposed to. They would not have recalled it if it were not. You can pretend that it's not a problem all you want, and that nintendo is never to blame, but you'd be living in denial if you did.

About time!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17268004)

Keep an eye on your Wii or the terrorists will win!

Lawn Darts (1)

jonhorvath (934037) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269394)

We sure have come a long way since lawn darts!

Re:Lawn Darts (1)

Wordplay (54438) | more than 6 years ago | (#17271510)

Yeah, well, just wait until WiiJarts comes out. Oh, the carnage...

Thank God! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#17269546)

Thank god our ever vigilant and wise government guardians have sought fit to protect us from flying Wii remotes! I can sleep a lot better at night now, knowing that there isn't any problem too trivial for the U.S. government to spend my money protecting me from.

This is pretty funny (1)

shlepp (796599) | more than 6 years ago | (#17269970)

I just caught a segment on CTV news about this, some R-Tard swung his arms around so much he hit a ceiling fan light fixture and did some pretty mean damage. But this cant be blamed on Nintendo, just reckless, stupid gamers who cant seem to calm down when playing and go ape shit with the controllers flailing them around like mad, basically asking for accidents to happen to them. At the very least Nintendo is generous enough to replace the wrist straps for free for those who cannot control their arm flailing urges. I find the coverage amusing because its funny when u see a picture of a Wii remote embedded in a TV screen.

the dangerous wii (1)

nelomolen (128271) | more than 6 years ago | (#17270168)

So far I've had one close friend have a wrist strap "break" with the Wiimote subsequently flying across the room, leaving me to ask WHY the controller left his hand in the first place? The controller leaving his hand enabled the strap to break, not the other way around.

Seriously, the only dangers involved in playing Wii games are the ones imposed by playing with people who seem to lack some motor skills or self-control. My wife hit me with a controller because she flails her arms wildly when boxing. My friend did the same to her. My wife ripped his Nunchuck from his Wiimote because her finger hooked onto it. Now, I have a lot of grace for my wife and friends, but not so much that I'll say it's the Wii/Wiimotes fault that these things happen.

I, of course, am perfect and have never done anything like this. I'm sure I'll eventually "hit" my wife in Wiitaliation, though.

Much to Nintendo's credit, when my friend broke the strap they sent the newer replacement strap very quickly. The part that connects to the Wiimote is thicker - hopefully thick enough that this kind of player-caused breakage won't happen any more.

Now you know... (1)

rur (110111) | more than 6 years ago | (#17272180)

why hand guns do not have straps.

Oh, that makes sense. (1)

ShadowMarth (870657) | more than 6 years ago | (#17272384)

If someone did the same with their fist because they were stupid, would they sue god?

New wrist straps will not help, and here's why: (1)

GoombaTroopa (1022351) | more than 7 years ago | (#17279384)

Let me refer you all to a quote from the Darwin Awards:

"If you make something idiotproof, they will make a better idiot."
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