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MTV Profiles "Hackers"

Roblimo posted about 15 years ago | from the you-can-all-stop-submitting-this-now-thank-you dept.

Television 237

Christopher Sypal writes "I just found out that MTV is going to have a special this Wednesday (10pm eastern) called 'True Life: I'm a Hacker'. Looks exactly like what you would expect from an MTV show with 'hacker' in the title." If MTV wants to put *real* (and funny) hackers on the air, they ought to send a camera crew to the (highly photogenic) Geek Compound and do a show on Cmdr Taco and Hemos. Perhaps we should all write to mtvdart@aol.com and tell them so, eh?

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Hacker vs. Cracker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624755)

Great, get ready for another stupid hacker vs. cracker debate. How about a Beowolf cluster of Crackers running Linux? Why can I not look here for weeks and still feel like I haven't missed anything?

Jesus Christ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624756)

This shit really erks(sp?) me. I think it would be great if during the interview some real code hackers bum rushed these script kiddies and powerbombed them. I will watch this and remember these bastards' faces.

Naked AND PETRIFIED (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624757)

Let's get it right.

I'm Sick Of This Insanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624758)

I'm sick of it. I think that protraying hackers as the stereotype MTV is following should be grounds for lawsuits because it is definitly a violation of civil rights. Making such untrue statements about an entire culture IS an offense. Programs such as this are of the same pretext as the highly prejudiced media before the civil rights movement. We need to work to make sure the title of hacker does not become tarnished with media hype. I advocate the formation of geek unions, which has been mentioned on slashdot many times before, because together we have a chance at not being abused, then lied about. And I encourage everyone to email MTV asking that they get some real hackers, like Linux Torvalds, Richard Stallman, and almost anyone else in the kernel credits file. Dan H. dlhiggs@SPAMMERS-ARE-NO-BETTER-THAN-THOSE-MTV-SHMU CKS.flashmail.net

MTV (Is) For Dummies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624759)

Excellent points... Although I find MTV more repugnant than anymore guzzling Mountain Dew. Am I the only one that gets a Ludovico (Kubrick fans will know what that means) complex from watching that stuff? "Stop it, stop it, stop it! It's a sin!" BTW, I think we're called the Millenium Generation or Millenials (sp?) or something like that. Who makes this stuff up?

Re:Bank-hacking warrior children (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624760)

'Wow, I can change my grades or I can hack into a bank and do wire transfers'. It's the glamour of that that drew me in." Yeah... great.. anybody can do that with time... the question is who is stupid enough to do something like that... Anyone can go in a bank and rob it with a gun if he plans it right... but who is stupid enough to do that eh??

Re:If it's anything.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624761)

> And another thing about media.. (and totally offtopic) has anyone seen the new Our Lady Peace video for One Man Army -- is that not the same place where that Barenaked Ladies video was shot?? I mean.. I'm not a big fan of OLP or BNL but I made the connection.. don't you think that's a bit edgy? Yeah, it does look like it was shot in the same location. They must've run out of money after all those 'flying Raine' sequences. Cheesy video, IMO.

Music TV? Let's see what the schedule says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624762)

3:00PM Road Rules VIII
4:00PM Road Rules VIII
4:30PM Road Rules VIII
5:00PM Road Rules VIII
5:30PM Road Rules VIII
6:00PM Road Rules VIII
6:30PM Road Rules VIII
7:00PM Road Rules VIII
7:30PM Road Rules VIII
8:00PM Road Rules VIII
8:30PM Road Rules VIII
9:00PM Road Rules VIII
9:30PM Road Rules VIII
10:00PM Road Rules VIII
10:30PM Road Rules VIII
11:00PM Road Rules VIII
11:30PM Undressed
12:00AM Undressed
12:30AM Undressed
1:00AM Undressed
1:30AM Undressed
2:00AM Undressed
2:30AM Undressed
3:00AM Undressed
3:30AM Undressed
4:00AM Cable In The Classroom

uh-huh

Re:Sadly enough... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624763)

If you are not in Gen. X then you fall to the next letter of the alphabet, Gen. Y. Just what I have been told.... superfreak

Isn't there a connection to Viacom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624764)

Mtv knows a little about technology and has hardware. Somebody should go in and explain a few things to these contributers of code. I'd be impressed if their "hackers" pirated the network and left the system playing the "hackers" top 31337 countdown. Of course they would need some incentive for MTV not to try to shutdown the process.

Maybe even as good as Oprah's show (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624765)

On Oprah there were these kids who learned from the internet how to make these internet sites give them access to pages by using "keywords" in english. They were able to find all sorts of stuff. They must be really smart. Oddly the show didn't say anything about -sex.

Re:Naked AND PETRIFIED (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624766)

Natalie Portman's..... nahhh.

the key difference... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624767)

when I was a "wannabee" (dunno about you) I freely admitted I was clueless. the MTV "wannabees" are passing themselves off as experts.

Check yo self. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624768)

Perhaps everyone should check who the people in the show are.

If you haven't heard of cham, or ever seen Parse, perhaps your not as smart or what is it '313373' as you all think you are.

Granted it is mtv, and it will suck, but some one at mtv did their homework.

They got the right people, now it is up to their producers, editors, director, etc.

Re:You Guys Dont have a F***ing Clue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624769)

actually one of them (at least accordign to the video) almost had a heart attack while firing off a ps waux. My heart sometimes jumps when I do a ps waux and find out that netscape has doubled it rams usage in 5 minutes, but anyway...

Re:Check yo self. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624770)

Oh, I forgot to metion shamrock. sorry sham

Mitnick Got Shafted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624771)

What I think is so horrible about this special is that from what I understand it was supposed to be a story on the Mitnick case. Although the 'martyrdom' of Kevin Mitnick by l3gi0nz of k1dd1es is pretty tired, he did get a bum deal as far as his rights go. In addition Mitnick will probably have any remaining sympathay for his character destroyed if and when Miramax releases the movie based on the pile-of-rubbish-book "Takedown."(IMHO, anyway) Point? Oh yeah, a sympathetic or at least nonbiased take on the Mitnick case by the media would have been interesting.

Anyway from what I understand, Mitnick wasn't 'glamorous' enough for the MTV audience. (So I guess that rules out a sequel to the special with the just-as-glamorous RMS where he could sing that catchy "Free The Software" ditty...Music TV and all...Hackers Unplugged anyone???)

To MTV's credit two of the subjects they choose, Mantis and Shamrock, regularly direct people to Slashdot on their weekly Real Audio Show (Parse hack/phreak). Yeah, their soundbytes were pretty trite but considering MTV's demographic I imagine anything that wasn't dumbed-down or trying to sell the image that MTV percieves as "hackerish" has been cut.

MTV (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 15 years ago | (#1624811)

This story does seem proper when you look at the typical MTV Viewer - Backstreet Boy Loving 14 year old, whose idea of a "Hacker" is someone on AOL trying to get their password or cybersex. Personally, I'd rather watch a "Behind The Hacker" special on VH1. but that's just me -spicy bisquit

Re:Woopsy (1)

Jeff Knox (1093) | about 15 years ago | (#1624817)

Hey Dave, Whats up? I didnt know you read slashdot.

You Guys Dont have a F***ing Clue (2)

Jeff Knox (1093) | about 15 years ago | (#1624822)

You guys really dont have a clue who the hacker is in this MTV special, so you really shouldnt judge until you have seen it. Actually, the hacker is a friend of mine named Mantis, from the famed Parse hack/phreak tv show broadcast over the Pseudo Network. He is very skilled, and lectured at SpookTech and demonstrated techniques to government officials. So you can knock on mtv all they want, on the quality of the show, but the hacker knows his shit. He isnt someone who just learned about BO2K or something and installed it. They found him through New York Times article on him and Shamrock's lecture at SpookTech. MTV reads the news also.
To tell the truth though, dont exspect anything extravagent. Mantis felt kinda nervous with a MTV camera man following him around all day, so he didnt do anything besides typing 'ls' and 'cd' on his unix machine all day. The show is actually already online in realvideo, I will post a url later if someone doesnt beat me to it.

some more info on show (1)

weld (4477) | about 15 years ago | (#1624828)

It is amazing the comments and speculation from people who have no idea about what is in the show except for a couple of sound bites.

Here is a link to the Press Release [l0pht.com] I put up on the L0pht web site which should give a better discription of the contents of the show.

L0pht was interviewed and we tried to describe what hacking really is. We specifically told MTV that it wasn't downloading a scanner someone else wrote, then looking up a sploit on rootshell and running a script.

I haven't seen the show so I don't know how much of what we said made it in. I will reserve my judgement of the show until I at least see it.

-weld

For a cool article in the NY Times about real hackers look here [nytimes.com] .

Re:MTV /= Innovative? (1)

pen (7191) | about 15 years ago | (#1624832)

I'm sure they know all about this, but this will probably get good ratings, and that is all that maters, right? The show is only going to be bad in our eyes. In the eyes of everyone else, it will be informative and entertaining... <sigh>

Welcome to the MTV Generation... it's all good as long as you have fun. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!

--

Re:Highly Photogenic? (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | about 15 years ago | (#1624833)

... well, ancedotal evidence supports the theory that one codes better when wearing only your underwear.

--

Re:... (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | about 15 years ago | (#1624834)

Oh, it's funny alright. :^) I am just alittle annoyed that /. posted something like this - haven't we had enough "Hey look over there - it's another clueless journalist trying to write about us! Hahahhahahahaha!" stories in the last month?

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... (3)

Signal 11 (7608) | about 15 years ago | (#1624835)

d00d u r s0 l335! I'm a really l335 d00d because I can download warez and pr0n for free!! d00d, I am l335! Now I'm on MTV, and wow, I get to talk with all these, like, totally l335 d00ds. But I'm not gonna tell them anything, because they might have been sent from The Man.

Let me guess, they're interviewing some kid that has probably just recently figured out his johnson can be used for more than utilitarian purposes? Comeon people... first, it's "cracker", not "hacker", and secondly crackers by their very nature are going to be difficult to find. Do 'ya really think some 13 year old kid appearing on MTV is a national threat blah blah blah invasion of privacy blah blah credit card blah blah info-criminal blah blah. Give me a break. Throwing stuff like this up on slashdot is a slap in the face - it offends our understanding of how this culture works. The fact that today's media is willing to believe anything a "hacker" says to be true without doing alittle fact-checking is disheartening to say the least. If I called up Channel 4 right now and said I just launched a tactical nuke at washington DC, what would the response be? Probably laughter. Now, if I say I *could* do that, all of the sudden they take me seriously. Go figure.

Solution: *click* *click* *delete*

--

Ohh! (1)

Splat (9175) | about 15 years ago | (#1624836)

Hey guys, I wonder if Abe Ingersol from Road Rules is going to make a special cameo apperance! Wouldn't that be great!
[all sarcasm fully intended]

Highly Photogenic? (4)

chromatic (9471) | about 15 years ago | (#1624837)


I'm not sure MTV wants to show Rob and Jeff not wearing pants all day, unless it's "Hackers: Living in an Underwear Commercial".

Sorry guys.

--
QDMerge [rmci.net] 0.4 just released!

Re:Hahahahhahhahahhahaha (1)

arrow (9545) | about 15 years ago | (#1624838)

I happen to be close friends with an ex-gH member, and I must say, there more than a half of a notch from a script kiddie.

If you ever saw gH code, you would understand.


-Mike

Another New Poll (2)

TrentC (11023) | about 15 years ago | (#1624843)

When coding, I wear:

  • Pants
  • A skirt
  • Boxers
  • Briefs
  • Panties
  • Chastity Belt
  • I go sky-clad
  • Ur m0m dO0Dz

Jay (=

Re:... (1)

alhaz (11039) | about 15 years ago | (#1624844)

No, I'm actually pretty certian they'll make the same mistake over and over.

We're a pretty small demographic, all things considered. And as long as the general public thinks we're people of godlike capabilities, we'll all have job security.



Re:MTV != Music Television (1)

Detritus (11846) | about 15 years ago | (#1624845)

I love the "be a nonconformist, buy our overpriced designer crap" ads that they carry.

Re:Hahahahhahhahahhahaha (1)

FallLine (12211) | about 15 years ago | (#1624846)


gH is not a "real" hacking group for christs sake. I'm not sure who LoU is (not that involved). but they're probably much the same. I know/knew plenty of gH, they're hardly what you'd call sophisticated hackers. They're maybe half a notch up from these wanna-bes.....


Re:... (1)

Spectra72 (13146) | about 15 years ago | (#1624848)

I agree totally..this is a slap in the face. Why does *anything* that MTv does suprise this crowd? Haven't we all agreed that there is no end to their cluelessness? If so..let's move on! Stop posting these..."Oh look at the clueless journalist/writer/company" stories. These are getting uncomfortably close to .."We're Slashdot..we're l33t!" types of stories. As was pointed out here recently, "Us vs Them" type stories are *not* the way to go.

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

Miguelito (13307) | about 15 years ago | (#1624849)

The Media just doesn't know it, because, well, watching a bunch of geeks slurping Mountain Dew and poring over man pages is *boring*. ;]

Speaking of Mt.Dew... I'd love to seem them do a realistic commercial some day. Show the real demographic that they sell to: A bunch of geeks coding, playing games, etc.

As if Sk8r d00dz and Busta-Rhymes are their real market... yeah, right!

Woopsy (1)

ddt (14627) | about 15 years ago | (#1624853)

It airs Oct 13. They finished filming & editing some time ago.

i'm going to get flamed for this, but.. (1)

mcc (14761) | about 15 years ago | (#1624854)

how funny would it be if someone *cough cough* just happened to replace the file at http://www.mtv.com/index.html with a little dissertation on the difference between a hacker and a cracker? (EG, Alan Cox and the people at L0pht are hackers, people playing war games on EFNet and defacing web pages using downloaded scripts aren't..)

C'mon, it would be doing mtv a _favor_. It would give them some free extra content for when their special goes on air.

Where's HFG when you need them?

-_-

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

Peyna (14792) | about 15 years ago | (#1624855)

Hey, I'm a coder and a skateboarder and i drink mt dew while doing both =] Besides, Jolt Cola's better.

Where's AntiOnline (1)

Raven667 (14867) | about 15 years ago | (#1624857)

I thought this was going to be an expose of a day in the life of Carolyn Menial. Since she is obviously the l33t Uberhax0r they are looking for. Where can she sign up?

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

TeknoDragon (17295) | about 15 years ago | (#1624860)

LOL!
In my calculus lab Red Hat was recently installed (seems WSU is trying to save some cash by trashing their Unix lisences). I switch virtual terminals out of X (they boot at init 4), telnet to our mail server, open an xterm (not available in their fvwm95 startmenu) and the whole section knows me as "that hacker guy". Nevermind that being fluent in C syntax I don't struggle with mathematica.
Then my group members ask what hacking is about, and they choke on the buzzwords. Chances are that MTV is targeting the 95% of the class that has no clue. This helps convince me that no matter how "jet set" popular culture percieves us as. Geek culture will never be a pop culture icon.

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

Imperator (17614) | about 15 years ago | (#1624861)

Thing is, we all know that the most the 3l337-haxor AOL kiddies will do is get telnet accounts, ping each other, WinNuke each other, download canned cracks, etc, etc. But they're mostly harmless. Just bandwidth hogs and arrogant adolescents.

We need to fork off a separate network just for script kiddies. The only allowed TCP packets are SYN fragments, all hosts have open root logins via telnet, ports 137-139 have unpassworded root shells (oh wait, this is already the case), all HTTP transfers must consist of annoying animated GIFs, and Microsoft provides a GUI front-end to ping -f. :)

Maybe a Beowulf cluster of clueless journalists... (1)

Imperator (17614) | about 15 years ago | (#1624862)

could run a Chimpanzee simulator. :)

Re:If it's anything.. \-- Clueless (1)

GreyFauk (18632) | about 15 years ago | (#1624864)

GreyFauk walks up to you and Stamps a HUGE
Red-Ink stamp that says "Clueless!" on your forehead.

Yeah.. I liked the movie hackers... but only for it's
humor value. That and the cute chick 'Acid Burn'

MTV should've stuck to what they started with. Music Videos. That's it... nothing more.
Anyone else here not watched it for years?

Re:they might do an ok job /-- Keep dreaming (1)

GreyFauk (18632) | about 15 years ago | (#1624865)

I hate to say this (because it's true), but if you've
been impressed by the quality of ANYthing MTV has
done in the last 15 years... Well... You're drifting
in that same fantasy world as 90% of the population
of sheeple in the U.S..

Turn OFF the TV... and pick up a book some time. No...
Not the pOrn mags, you dimwit, good quality reading.
A little bit of culture never hurt anyone.

How can you tell you've aquired a bit of taste in life
and culture?

Easy... When you watch MTV.. it will seem as immature,
uninsightful, droll and annoying as it really is.

If you read enough.. you might even catch on to what
kind of unthinking moron they are programming kids to be.
Have you seen all the junk they portray as being needed
to be popular these days?

*sheesh* As if a T1 wasn't enough :>
I'm so glad I'm wearing the 'Right' jeans...*look of ecstacy*
now ALL the chicks will think I'm hot.
Pullleaaase!

Ok.. so I'm starting to ramble.. :> hehe... Oh well. :>

my response to MTV (0)

ywwg (20925) | about 15 years ago | (#1624872)

The last thing we need is another show that perpetuates the stereotype of computer users (who do call themselves 'hackers') as lowlifes with nothing better to do than break into banks. The actual definition of 'hacker' is someone who enjoys using their computer, and enjoys programming ('hacking') computer code. A person who breaks into computer systems is called a 'cracker.' The difference is quite significant.

Examples:
"I hacked out 1000 lines of code yesterday"
"I took the source code to this program and hacked in a new feature"

versus:

"I dare you to crack into this PC"
"A bunch of lowlifes said they had cracked into a satellite."

By putting on this show you merely show how out of touch MTV really is with the segment of the population they claim to be portraying.

Owen Williams

so what.. (1)

cybrthng (22291) | about 15 years ago | (#1624873)

so what.. mtv has another show people are gonna dis because its not true, nobody understands us, blah blah blah..

c'mon people.. you either A) Will watch this show B) Won't watch the show C) will be to stoned to do anything anyway..

this is just another rant on my behalf, BUT.... go ahead and dis the show, but don't request to be on it and dis it at the same time.

and real hackers.. what is a real hacker, what qualifies someone else to be "real" "hacker" over any other goober with a pc and alot of spare time?

just some ponderings, but you know, it is t.v. show, hopefully it wont be cheasy like the "Ghost in the machine" is. and hopefully it won't be the fight between good and evil of mitnick and such.

anyone have any info on what they will cover? MTV have a link?

Sadly enough... (5)

RawkettPenguiN (24437) | about 15 years ago | (#1624875)

*takes off red hat for a few minutes and puts on asbestos helmet..*

..As a representative of the teens-early-20's generation (What is that called now? I'm too young to be Generation X...) this IS the kind of thing everyone believes. Say I bring a Linux manual or some Perl pages to school to read in my spare time--which I've done a few times this year.
"What are you reading that's so interesting?" Joe Average Student asks.
I tell them.
"That's boring," they scoff.
Then let's say I bring some printouts of 'Guide to (Mostly) Harmless Hacking' or some phrack exploits, stuff like that...(Last year I did this...I admit it. But it IS what brought me to Slashdot..;] ) Instantly I'm the center of negative attention by students AND teachers alike..."That's illegal!" "Hacking is against the law." "You're not going to DO that, are you?" "I can't believe you. Throw those away."

Thing is, we all know that the most the 3l337-haxor AOL kiddies will do is get telnet accounts, ping each other, WinNuke each other, download canned cracks, etc, etc. But they're mostly harmless. Just bandwidth hogs and arrogant adolescents.
I believe that a person with actual knowledge of *nix and how programming works is more dangerous than 100 AOL kiddies. The Media just doesn't know it, because, well, watching a bunch of geeks slurping Mountain Dew and poring over man pages is *boring*. ;]
So MTV slaps the "hacker" label on a bunch of stoned-drunk-whatever 20-somethings who want to break into school/bank computers. And they call it entertainment.
This is how the public thinks, I guess. So instead of bemoaning the AOL hax0r 31337's who like to make real geeks look bad, perhaps we should just go on with lives...and make more money than they do...

Just my $.02. Flame away.

Re:MTV /= Innovative? (1)

Le douanier (24646) | about 15 years ago | (#1624876)

Anyone wanna place bets on whether this show is going to be bad, or really bad?

It reminds me of an Humorist: "You see worse? Ok, this will be even worse"

What's the point? (1)

Plasmic (26063) | about 15 years ago | (#1624879)

I don't even understand why MTV is doing this. Obviously, the movie "Hackers" told me everything I needed to know about the computer underworld. I can't imagine there being a more relevant, comprehensive, or realistic documentary about the subject.. except for maybe "Hackers 2".

:-)

Re:... (1)

Plasmic (26063) | about 15 years ago | (#1624880)

I don't see at all how putting it on Slashdot is a slap in the face. It's obviously just for everyone to laugh at. I don't think anyone is suggesting or even pretending to imply that this is anything resembling accurate or useful journalism.

Bank-hacking warrior children (4)

Plasmic (26063) | about 15 years ago | (#1624881)

Some choice quotes from the RealAudio streams that require no external comments to make you realize what a quality piece of journalism that this isn't:

"All I did was sell weed and listen to loud music and stay out all night. I was one of those kinds thinking 'Wow, I can change my grades or I can hack into a bank and do wire transfers'. It's the glamour of that that drew me in."

"There's no people telling you what you can and can't do. At 16, Chameleon left high school and became a superstar at the hacking underground. Working from a computer in his mother's garage, he penetrated some of the government's most secure military computers."

"Gotta breath. Your heart's beating. You don't know what you're getting into but then yet again you wanna do it. Typing the final commands and then you're wondering whether the other guy at the other end is waiting for you to come and bust you. You break into somebody's system, that's not allowed. Just by having the password for the other account, that's not allowed; it's all illegal."

Well, at least MTV didn't just find a buncha wannabes who thought they were radical dudes. Er.. doh!

open the flood gates (1)

insidious (29545) | about 15 years ago | (#1624883)

I have a bad feeling this will inspire kids to go on the internet and try to be hackers. But instead we'll have a rush of script kiddies on our hands. AOL KEYWORD: HAX0R

Just wondering... (1)

Wah (30840) | about 15 years ago | (#1624884)

...have you dyed your short hair blond?
......

code naked coeds (1)

Wah (30840) | about 15 years ago | (#1624885)

-NT-

Not Gen Y... (2)

Wah (30840) | about 15 years ago | (#1624887)

...Generation Why.

Human Genome, nano-tech, quantum computing, creating life, Hubble telescope, the Internet, etc. All this stuff has been or will most likely be realized within our lifetimes. Interesting times, indeed.

A lesson in demographics (4)

Wah (30840) | about 15 years ago | (#1624890)

Anyone else here not watched it for years?

Anyone here over the age of 24? If you are you shouldn't be watching MTV, at least from thier eyes. They target an audience from 13-24, that's it. Did you watch it then? Did you like it then? Does it suck now, to you?

They also target by psychographics, i.e. intelligence. Guess which end of the spectrum they go for there. Guess which one /. goes for.

I liked it when they played videos, but do you know how much videos cost to produce? A 3-minute video costs much more than a 30-minute edit job (Real Rules & Road World). When you have to fill up 24/7 creative programming is important, cheap programming is very important, and quality programming is what HBO does.

MTV wants to be the authority on hackers... (1)

generic-man (33649) | about 15 years ago | (#1624892)

...and they have an AOL e-mail address.

What's worse is all the AOL lusers that will see this and begin to ph33r all the d00dz that IM them with "Hi, I'm from AOL support! Please e-mail me your password and credit card number at once!"

Ever have the misfortune to catch a glimpse of their show (Yack Live?) where they had a split-screen showing music videos and an AOL chat room? It goes a little something like this:

LuSeR4078: DUDE THIS VIDEO ROX
I liKe BSB 8029100: put on sum bsb! bsb's kewl
MannSONN12: hi im a 12/m with a pic
(repeat for an hour)

Re:New Poll (1)

Zurk (37028) | about 15 years ago | (#1624893)

nah. code naked.

Re:An end to the 1st post syndrome? (1)

HerrNewton (39310) | about 15 years ago | (#1624895)

Actually, I was thinking script kiddy.

OT: /. Publicity (1)

HerrNewton (39310) | about 15 years ago | (#1624896)

I know this is way off topic, but the comment about "publicity" jarred this thought: Andover, SlashDot and Rob got mentioned in the latest copy of Wired (7.11) on page 99. Keen.

An end to the 1st post syndrome? (1)

Dwonis (52652) | about 15 years ago | (#1624900)

Amazing! This message doesn't contain the words "First Post" andwhere!
--------
"I already have all the latest software."

Re:MTV /= Innovative? (1)

PotPieMan (54815) | about 15 years ago | (#1624901)

Well, to tell you the truth, we all know why MTV is doing this special. It's all for publicity, as it is for just about anything else that the mainstream media do today. The suits at these companies live their lives thinking of new ways to get their brand name in here or there to make it seem like the company is "innovative" or "society shaping."

The sad thing is that MTV actually has shaped our society. We may not like to admit it, but ninety percent of the people in my high school are what I like to call "media whores." I may be exaggerating, but these people have become MTV's bitches. MTV has shaped popular culture, and, unfortunately, everyday culture. We see it everywhere...in people's clothing, choices in music, and any number of other ways they act. People have become more attentive to TV and computers and less attentive to people. While there were other forces, MTV helped this along at least somewhat.

Getting back on topic, MTV's special on "hackers" shows exactly what the popular conception of crackers and script kiddies really is. Take it for what it's worth: we know better, but MTV doesn't. I'm not trying to be elitist here...I'm saying that it's unfortunate that the truth about these kinds of things will never come to light in society at large.

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

BenLutgens (56508) | about 15 years ago | (#1624902)

For only being 14, you sure sound like a smart kid. Keep doing what you're doing and to hell with those morons. I deal with people like this on a daily basis. If they express an interest, I'll tell them things. But if they get that glazed over look in thier eyes that says "Your loosing me..." I just say "nevermind it's boring" try not to sound like I am insulting thier intelligence.

Re:Cmdr Taco and Hemos HaCkErS????? (1)

BenLutgens (56508) | about 15 years ago | (#1624903)

If you don't like it, don't read it. That simple.


MTV /= Innovative? (1)

EverCode (60025) | about 15 years ago | (#1624910)

MTV was great for intoducing music videos, but they ought to stay out of producing material like this.

Anyone wanna place bets on whether this show is going to be bad, or really bad?

EC

Re:open the flood gates (1)

jflynn (61543) | about 15 years ago | (#1624912)

Worse if CmdrTaco and Hemos were on the show. Then we'd have the entire MTV audience in our laps here on slashdot the next day. Good for business maybe, but hell on S/N.

New Poll (1)

floatdouble (62855) | about 15 years ago | (#1624914)

I think we need a poll about this. How about: When I code I am wearing, underwear suit jeens, shirt suit of Adam

I want my 3m t33 v33 (1)

joq (63625) | about 15 years ago | (#1624915)

Its definitely a sad state in the world of hacking now that MTV is trying to jump on the scene.

Now all thats needed is either Tommy Hilfiger of Calvin Klein introduce their Hacker line of clothing

C4lv1n Kl31n

t0mmy h1lf1g3r sp0rt

Why is it all of the sudden everyone wants to jump on the y3ll0w submarine. Its these same corporate morons who are clueless to the industry that distort truths about hacking and then turn around and glorify it with some media-tainted picture of who a hacker is and what a hacker does.

Why don't they throw the creators of PGP, OpenBSD, Unix, and DarkTangent on the show and call it a hacker show?

oops my bad... no commercialism there... sponsors wouldn't pay to see that

Seriously though this is going to be a bigger laugh than AntiOnline... MTV HackerRules starring so1o, Carolyn MyAnal, SE7EN, and the creator of JAIJEN AOL punter...
mwahahahaha kill -HUP 1(sarcasm)

I wonder who's sponsoring this? Oxy? AOL? Calvin Klone?

p33 3ss (1)

joq (63625) | about 15 years ago | (#1624916)

for geeky enjoyment

www.antioffline.com/mtv.index.html

lazy mans link [antioffline.com]

Re:What's the point? Because it's trendy (1)

gothic (64149) | about 15 years ago | (#1624921)

They did it because it's cool. "Hackers" are the "in" people. They are the cream of the crop.
Cream of the crop of losers maybe. If any real cracker would actually agree to be interviewed on MTV, then they really don't care much for their name-sake. Now we're going to have another explosion of script-kiddies out there downloading pre-packaged exploits from your local AOL webpage. I'd actually like to see a *real* cracker interview. That would be interesting to me, but how interesting would it be to the MTV crowd? MTV = Media != Not always the truth. What can we expect? It's sickening, but I'd actually be interested if they made any valid points in this show. In the time being, maybe I'll just plot to blow up MTV. Save all the little infuential boys and girls out there.

Re:... (1)

cdlu (65838) | about 15 years ago | (#1624923)

Heck - maybe they'll get the message when they're taken out by the /. effect :) Ah well. The world is full of ignoramouses. I'm sure we all are in our own right.

Re:You Guys Dont have a F***ing Clue (1)

tardmobile (66094) | about 15 years ago | (#1624924)

come on, man. no truely elite cracker goes on an interview for a lame mtv show. however, i don't necessarily disagree with you; for i don't know the man. he could be a professional cracker (lookup tiger team [tuxedo.org] in the jargon file) or something like that; if he is, i applaud him. but the fact remains, this show has a high probability of being bunk. and i'm only judging by the inappropriate title and video clips. if your friend is as cool as you say he is, mtv is wrong. if he isn't, then mtv is inaccurate.

personally, i suspect the show will be rather quabby, but i shall withhold judgement until it airs.

Oh my god...... (2)

JM_the_Great (70802) | about 15 years ago | (#1624929)

Um....first off, why the heck would you be announcing that you hacked military computers on MTV? And secong, why isn't he being arrested? This proves that this is a fake (not that there was any _real_ doubt...).

Second, why is MTV doing more and more about crap and socity (which I am proud to _NOT_ be a part of) and less and less music? What does `M'TV stand for?

Third, they say hackers, they mean crackers, I know it's redundant, but worthy of mention.

Fourth, they portray these as the regulr geek/nerd type of person. Just a question, how many of you would _ever_ appear on MTV?

Fifth, s0m3 1337 h4x0rs appearing 0n M7V pr0v1ng 7h47 7h3y c4n t41k f0r h0urs w/0 b31ng c0h3r3n7 w01n'7 d0 much f0r publ1c 0p1n10n 0f g33ks 4nd n3rds 3v3rywh3r3. Get my point?

Sixth, why does everybody get so scared when you say your a hacker (or even a cracker), I mean, except very few, they can't do any real damage at all. I hate the sterotype that we are all evil and out to destroy the world.

Seventh, why does everybody think of these people as the `computer elite'? They download a script, run it, and call it `hacking'. My hamster can do that. Try writing that script, in 4 diffrent languages, for 3 platforms, then you've got a hacker.

Eighth, I wonder if they have ever even been to Slashdot? It would be cool to get some publicity (It has appeared in the Paper (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) once or twice). But, then again, most people would find quantium mechanics, Echolen and geek culture in general boring.

In conclution, well, you figure out for yoursef.

That's my $(2^4*3+1/7%3*2/100)

Re:Cheap... that's why.. (1)

Stonehand (71085) | about 15 years ago | (#1624930)

Please, *please* tell me that we're not in for a season of "W3rld5 m05t D4ng3rUZ H4x0r d00dZ -- C4uGhT 0n T4p3" specials from FOX...

Re:Hahahahhahhahahhahaha (1)

ben.b (71106) | about 15 years ago | (#1624931)

LoU is Legion of the Underground - I think they're the ones who declared "cyberwar" on China or Iraq or some place like that.

erg...MTV (4)

Ribo99 (71160) | about 15 years ago | (#1624933)

Anyone out there remember when MTV actually showed videos? Videos on Music Television, who would have thought.

Re:MTV /= Innovative? (1)

reptilian (75755) | about 15 years ago | (#1624936)

Ok, I know, conspiracy theory. But look. MTV has the younger generations by their heels now, so they start making real programming and stop showing music videos. They've already seemed to single handedly kill rock (rock IS dead), and make Hip-Hop the music of this generation. Now, let's start MTV2 or whatever it is to show music videos, and use MTV to brainwash the kiddies.

I'm going a little bit too far, but think about it. If you control information, you can control just about anything. MTV - breeding the next generation of consumeroids.

Names (1)

vertseven (79013) | about 15 years ago | (#1624937)

Forget the name game "Hacker" "Cracker"

You know who you are. You know what you do.
MTV is food for the mentally challenged.

They can say what they want, but they can't and won't affect what we are.

Trespassing is a thing of glamour, but knowledge is why we're here.

We read we learn we live. That's all. MTV may have destroyed the music scene, but it can't touch geeks.

If you ignore them they will go away.

Naked (2)

uninerd (79304) | about 15 years ago | (#1624938)

Ok, regardless of our opinions of the MTV hype of the "hacker," I must say that I really enjoyed the colorful naked pictures flashign to the right of the article...

If it's anything.. (0)

MrPlab (79403) | about 15 years ago | (#1624939)

like the movie 'Hackers' then please someone tape it and send it to me -- I just loved that movie so much (like any teksavvy person should).

As I know they'll be embarassed by something that's totally off, maybe MTV should've submitted an article to /. asking for suggestions on what they could cover.. those Jane people should've started a trend with the media!

And another thing about media.. (and totally offtopic) has anyone seen the new Our Lady Peace video for One Man Army -- is that not the same place where that Barenaked Ladies video was shot?? I mean.. I'm not a big fan of OLP or BNL but I made the connection.. don't you think that's a bit edgy?

Ok, I'm done rambling about Music and MTV.. wow.. maybe that wasn't so off-topic after all. :)

With mental breakdown issues,
Matthew
_____________________________________

Another clone from Empty Vee's vats... (2)

severed (82501) | about 15 years ago | (#1624942)

Unfortunately, the ramifications of this (and other) shows aired on MTV won't be realized for another 10 years or so.

Nobody reading this would for a second be fooled by the obvious folding, spindling, and multilation of reality that will inevitably be this program (key word here, more on that later). However, Johny 8-12 year old will accept it as the gospel truth. (MTV told me that Sprite tastes good... It does; MTV told me that Super Marios Brothers 20 comes out in a week... It did; MTV told me that evil hackers want to kill me and my family... They do). Ten years from now, little Johnny will be old enough to vote, and MTV will remind them to do so. Of course, the issues are complicated, however, Johnny knows who's good and who's bad, thanks to MTV.

Another case in point, on a recent "Your Rights" bit that they aired, they applauded turning public schools into high security virtual prison camps. They paraded some kids in front of the camera, and had them say (with blank stares of course) that they were glad that they were in uniforms, and that police were walking around in the halls with guns, and things are so much better now that there's a barbed wire fence around the campus.... Fortunately for Sony corp (I think they still own MTV, of course, didn't someone else buy them recently?), the current generation of kids don't know enough that anytime they hear a group of people with zero disagreeing opinions, that they are probably hearing nothing more than propaganda. Too bad there isn't a way to keep them in check... Or at least something close to honest...

I weep for the future. Do your kid a favor, kill their television.

MTV != Music Television (2)

Maul (83993) | about 15 years ago | (#1624945)

MTV is no longer the music television network it once was. It is now a core network in the quest to turn teenagers into mindless zombies who spend money on MTV's sponsors.

And of course, this is a special on crackers, and I'm sure they'll feature a bunch of script kiddies using BO2K and other such things. I suppose that the term hacker, to everyone else but a real hacker, is synonimous with cracker or script kiddie, or even people who run "Warez" sites and stuff like that. The press is a very powerful force, and the "true" term of hacker is probably lost forever except among slashdotters and other geeks.

MTV.. True Life: I am a script kiddie (3)

ezzewezza (84083) | about 15 years ago | (#1624946)

When I was in high school, I beat up the geeks and stole their lunch money. Then I found out about the internet and "hacking." I mean, I was like wow, I can run this little script and do stuff to other people. I don't even know what I'm doing half the time, but you should all fear me because my friends and me, we started this new hacker group called Legndary Attackers, Maliciously Evil Reconnaisance Specialists.

just my $0.02

The more "hip" hackers become... (0)

smoondog (85133) | about 15 years ago | (#1624947)

The more "hip" hackers become, the more our generation slips. This cannot be a good thing. From over-generalizations to 13 year olds trying to be like the cracker on tv, all MTV is going to do is belittle us and qualify the next line of punks who do nothing more than run scripts posted to ng's.

(I'm really not a fan of mtv...)

-- Moondog

Re:Bank-hacking warrior children (3)

Spamizbad (87449) | about 15 years ago | (#1624949)

Every time my system is due for a kernel upgrade, I get baked off my ass, then chug a 40oz, compile it, then take a drive. By the time I get out of jail for the DUI, my kernel is done compiling on the 386 in my mom's garage.

MTV (1)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | about 15 years ago | (#1624951)

MTV explores the sinister art of fishing for AOL passwords with AOHell (or whatever it's called).

The following story, if true, reveals all one needs to know about MTV.

Once, back in 1992, they interviewed Bill Clinton, and he said that when he was young his dream was to play saxaphone with Thelonious Monk. MTV's follow up question: "Who's the lonliest monk?"

Take care,

Steve

Re:What's the point? Because it's trendy (1)

grumling (94709) | about 15 years ago | (#1624959)

MTV = Media != Not always the truth. What can we expect? It's sickening, but I'd actually be interested if they made any valid points in this show.

Well, that's because a TV show about real hackers writing wonderful code would be a 1/2 hour of watching people type.

Not that that would be boring for some of us. However, there would be no way to get a decent amount of advertising (funding) to get it produced, unless you can get PBS to support it

In fact, the only time I see any sort of high tech workers at the office is when they are pointing out all the perks, and office Nerf battles. What they don't show is that the people pictured most likely are not usually playing games, take their stereos to the office because they never go home, and generally get treated like crap by thier employers.

I'm not a programmer, and I don't work for a high tech startup, so I'm just guessing from what I've seen from programmers I've known over the years, and from what I've read about it. Am I close to being right?

Hackers vs Crackers (1)

nedy (94817) | about 15 years ago | (#1624960)

I'd rather be a Cracker any day. I've met a lot of pretty nice Hackers on line, but I've also met some that enjoy hurting people and screwing around with web sites and going where no man has gone before kind of stuff. But all of the Crackers I've met so far have been super kewl. And I've learned a lot from them, and I'm still learning. ---nedy------------------------------------------- -"He that falls in love with hismelf will have no rivals." . . . Benjamin Franklin

Re:Bank-hacking warrior children (1)

Mister Attack (95347) | about 15 years ago | (#1624961)

When I first heard about this whole special, I figured, well, at least it's gotta be better than Hackers. But... OH MY GOD! here we have kids trying to dramatize social engineering, packet sniffers, and the use of canned cracks. Well, at least there are no computer viruses in this special that include full-screen video... I think. For the love of God, send the camera-toting folk to any of the schools in the National Consortium of Schools of Science and Math, tell them to look for anyone with a lot of experience running *nix (extra points if they're root on the school Unix network), and talk to them. They'll end up (most likely) with something completely unsuitable for MTV, but at least it'll be real...

Cheap... that's why.. (3)

Issue9mm (97360) | about 15 years ago | (#1624966)

Everyone wants to know why MTV is going to do a show on 'hackers'? Cause it's cheap. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but MTV's shows are becoming, by practice, cheap shows. Think about it. Doesn't REALLY cost a whole lot to produce Beavis n Butthead. Marketing and air-time aside, not a whole lot just to produce. B&B were out the door when they got too expensive. Replacement? Sifl n Ollie... c'mon, ya can't get much cheaper than that. (not to say it's not funny tho. cracks me up.) Big shows? Lessee, Real World is a pretty big show right? They take seven people (who they're NOT paying), and stick em in an apartment. What's that cost em? Rent. Road Rules. Kay, I'll grant that a Winnebago probably costs a lot of money, but still, I don't even think that they put gas in it. (or maybe they do, I dunno.) Anyway, that's my take.

Dustpuppy inside...

MTV Virtual World (2)

FooGoo (98336) | about 15 years ago | (#1624974)

8 Hackers,Desert Island,1 Can of Mountain Dew...you do the math

This should be interesting (1)

~-zman-~ (99011) | about 15 years ago | (#1624975)

First of all, there's the obvious difference between hackers and crackers. I've seen the commercial from this and the funniest thing about it is what this one kid says "Straight out, I'm not your typical hacker" What the hell does that mean. I'm not sure what MTV is trying to accomplish by airing this. Since most of the information is going to be wrong anyways. If there is a typical hacker/cracker I doubt it's a backstreet-loving, britney spears devotee that spends his time trying to break into his friend's AOL accounts.

Re:Sadly enough... (1)

~-zman-~ (99011) | about 15 years ago | (#1624976)

I am 14 myself and a freshmen in high school. I believe that the people in my school are the prime target for such a show. For example, I told some of my better friends that I DIDN'T use windows or MacOS, and instantly I was thought to be a "hacker". My friends have asked me questions like "Have you ever tried to break into like the FBI or something?" To this I respond no, and explain the difference between a hacker and a cracker, and how I consider myself to be a hacker but definately not a cracker. They have no concept of what the internet really is besides a way to get p*rn and instant messages. They don't understand that there is internet outside of AOL. These are the people that MTV are targeting. Beware the penguin Z

mtv sucks (0)

ozzmosis (99513) | about 15 years ago | (#1624977)

Mtv just wants ratings , I stoped watching it when head bangers ball went off the air i flip through the channels and MTV never plays music anymore it seems , its all shows. Get all these windows people all hyped up about hacking now thats just pathetic.

What are we expecting them to do? (1)

yist (100285) | about 15 years ago | (#1624978)

Okay, those people are going to have thousounds of people emailing them because they were submitted on slashdot.org.

It now goes either two ways.

1. "WOAH, What was that?! Let's bring those slashdot guys over!"

2. Ignore us completely as they are unable to respond to that many emails.

3. We flood AOL from all the emails and their servers crash

Okay, I can't count. I think it's the third one :)

Re:... (1)

yist (100285) | about 15 years ago | (#1624979)

Well at least they won't make the same mistake twice, don't you agree?

I'm kindof pissed with all these journalists

Re:Sadly enough... (2)

Jim Bellinger (100441) | about 15 years ago | (#1624980)

Actually, I can relate to that. Last year at my school there were three or four kids who were completely convinced they were hackers. They were quite convinced they could send eachother viruses on e-mail which would "make their computer crash" and also use such cool things as "pinter punters" (that was the terminology used) which kicked other people off of AOL. What the hell is this? And of course they thought I was a complete dumbass because all I did was code a multiplayer online RPG (you can follow the URL if you wish, the page sucks but the game is pretty good) and thought I didn't know anything about computers because I wasn't about to go get AOL so I could harass some innocent people in chat rooms. And yet for some reason people convince these kids that they are "hackers" and as such it gives them some kind of greater-than-thou mentality. A really sad state for our culture I must say.

Re:MTV /= Innovative? (1)

Ravagin (100668) | about 15 years ago | (#1624981)

Right on, there. MTV strikes me as a pop-culture outlet, and hackers don't...quite...fit that mold. They should just bill it as a comedy and avoid the hassle.
The problem, of course, is that only the computer-savvy will really see the humor. Everyone else will either a) get freaked out and go unplug their modem, or b) completely forget about it.
I'd like to see Real Life:I'm Dictator of a Small Country with Enough Nuclear Capacity to Destroy the East Coast. ("I could either apply myself in school, or go build a nuclear arsenal...") Gods save us all from mass media.
===
-Ravagin

Re:Bank-hacking warrior children (1)

Ravagin (100668) | about 15 years ago | (#1624982)

Well, of course. Everoyne knows you can't program computers and maintain a 4.0 GPA (or at least 3.x).
Frankly, I really think quitting school to spend all day in a garage hacking is pretty stupid. But whatever works...

===
-Ravagin

they might do an ok job (2)

moltar3k (100841) | about 15 years ago | (#1624985)

everyone here is very pessimistc, and i must admit i took their whole idea with a grain of salt. But if Mtv does a good job and really does a good job it might be able to inform a lot more people about what a hacker truly is

Re:If it's anything.. (1)

pvthudson (100866) | about 15 years ago | (#1624986)

I would also like a copy, but can somebody tape a Betamax version for me.
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