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Sony Says Nobody Will Ever Use All the Power of a PS3

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the they-never-heard-of-the-robsort-algorithm dept.

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Tighthead Prop writes "Sony executive Phil Harrison has made some brash comments about the Cell processor and the PlayStation 3. Harrison says that the current PS3 game lineup is using less than half of the machines power, adding that 'nobody will ever use 100 percent of its capacity.' Is he right? 'The major reason Harrison wants to hype up the "unlimited" potential of the PS3's architecture is to downplay comparisons between games running on Sony's console and Microsoft's Xbox 360. The two systems are not completely dissimilar: they both contain a PowerPC core running at 3.2 GHz, both have similarly-clocked GPUs, and both come with 512 MB of RAM.'"

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This sounds familiar... (5, Insightful)

Electrode (255874) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312480)

Something about 640k of RAM...

Re:This sounds familiar... (5, Informative)

Otis2222222 (581406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312532)

Good point, except this time the guy is actually on record as saying it. Bill Gates never said that infamous quote that is often attributed to him.

Re:This sounds familiar... (5, Insightful)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312862)

This is a really safe bet though-

Will anyone use 100% of the CPU(s)?
AND 100% of the GPU?
AND 100% of the RAM?

If not, Sony can always say they aren't using 100% of the system- so they game didn't live up to its potential.

Show me a game on any system that uses 100% of the resources, and I'll show you a game that hangs like mad and runs like crap.

Once again Sony comes out with an idiotic statement that they think will impress the public.

(Admittedly, the article was /.ed so I couldn't read it...so maybe he said something else...if so, sorry!)

Re:This sounds familiar... (3, Insightful)

itlurksbeneath (952654) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312944)

To be fair, Bill Gates denied saying it, and nobody has come up with an original cite or witness to the quote. That doesn't mean that he didn't say something "wrong or stupid" (which he admits to doing [wired.com] on other occasions). Not like he hasn't been wrong in the recent past (SPAM predictions [bbc.co.uk] , for example - it's been two years, Bill, and it's getting [theregister.co.uk] worse [net-security.org] .

Re:This sounds familiar... (1, Funny)

s20451 (410424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312574)

I say, make it calculate the last digit of pi. Of course, that would only work if the PS3 had been taken over by an evil force that was feeding off the fear of the crew.

Re:This sounds familiar... (2, Funny)

quigonn (80360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312880)

Why calculate the last digit of pi? Simply ask Chuck Norris, he knows it. But you risk getting killed with a roundhouse kick.

Re:This sounds familiar... (2, Funny)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312900)

Everyone who dies is killed by roundhouse kick. Most times Chuck Norris gets help from the FSM to cover it up.

Re:This sounds familiar... (2, Insightful)

omeomi (675045) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312916)

I say, make it calculate the last digit of pi.

You could just guess...you have reasonably good odds of getting it correct. I bet it's 7.

Re:This sounds familiar... (2, Funny)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312920)

No, just confuse it with total illogic. After all, logic is a little bird twittering among the trees. Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad. Are the PS3's circuits in order? Its ears are green!

Well duh! (2, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312630)

As long as they make available the Next-next generation PS4 available soon enough...

That is what had happened after the SNES-Genesis-etc days (From the N64 onwards), the "next gen" iteration life span has became shorter and shorter so developers just start to get familiar with the system when the Next-gen system gets out.

I will sound like the old-grandpa but I liked more when the game generations lasted longer, you could see really nice things done with the technology and the hardware had more "value" (see for example all the NES peripherals) as you *knew* the system will remain active for a long time and more games would likely come.

I won't buy the "eye toy" or the "maracas" or the "bongos" today for any system because I know that only 1 or two games would ever be available.

Re:Well duh! (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312742)

That's why you don't buy the maracas or bongos. They come packaged with the game. I have two Guitar Hero controls, and each one came with the game.

Re:Well duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312872)

hardware had more "value" (see for example all the NES peripherals) as you *knew* the system will remain active for a long time and more games would likely come. [...] I won't buy the "eye toy" or the "maracas" or the "bongos" today for any system because I know that only 1 or two games would ever be available.


So how many games were there that used the Zapper? Or the power pad? Or R.O.B.?

Can you say "only 1 or two?" Can you say "gimmick?"

Yeah, things sure were better in the old days... *rolls eyes*.

Re:Well duh! (5, Informative)

debrisslider (442639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312910)

The PS2-PS3 generation was six years (Oct 2000 - Nov 2006). If you count the Dreamcast, the last-gen started in Sept 99 and ended in Nov 05 with the 360 - still six years. The NES came out in October of 85, the SNES in August of 91 - less than six years. The N64 came out Sep 96, the Game Cube in Nov. 01 - a little over five years, and five years again until the Wii. The console generations are as long as they've ever been. There's more games available for the PS and PS2 than any other console. And if you're wary about buying crappy accessories, those have always been around. ROB the Robot, Super Scope Six, The SNES mouse, the N64 and Dreamcast Microphones (at least they came with the game), the Dreamcast's fishing controller, DDR mats, Guitar Hero, etc. Nothing is different, except now with the Wii game developers will move gimmick development over to the system that has all those capabilities built in so less money is wasted on 1-game peripherals.

Re:This sounds familiar... (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312802)

You're misinterpreting his comment. What he means is game developers will abandon the platform well before they can put anything out that will utilize the system's full potential.

Re:This sounds familiar... (1)

Ontology42 (964454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312954)

I thought ram should be fee by now!

At $79.99 for a disc that costs less than $0.25/copy I'd figure they'd simply pump massive marketing funds into their games. Remember it's games that sell a console not the consoles power.

Anyone in denial of the above statement need only remember the Turbographics 16, Phillips CDi, Sega 32x, Sega Dream Cast and all those other consoles that didn't have the games or popularity to succeed (but plenty of computational power).

The Cell has been hyped so much, the PS3 is "The next big thing" but I was burned by the PS2 and all it's hype, hell I still have no hard drive in my PS2, my Xbox on the other hand has a 300GB hard drive filled with movies, music and other goodies.

That and I can't wait for halo 3, what does the PS3 have that will kill halo 3? umm, Grand Tourismo, er no. So I'll have to buy both, but will the PS3 use all that computational power, and If I buy a Sony Wega, will it have a cell in it to? (Remember he said grid computing via consumer devices!

So that being said, I say get your xbox and Halo 3 you know it's worth the investment. So the PS3 has more power and bells but if no games are using that power what's the point in investing $500?

Where as you know the guys at bungee will be making druelworthy eye-candy with an excellent post-apcolyptic plot line. what more could we want?

Let me guess (-1, Redundant)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312484)

Next he'll say we will never need more than 512KB of memory?

Re:Let me guess (0)

clonmult (586283) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312510)

I always thought it was 640kb. Then again, I'm being pedantic about everything today.

Re:Let me guess (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312590)

you're probably right, I'm often wrong.

I just think in powers of two when dealing with memory, so that's what popped up, I always remembered it as about 1/2 MB.

Re:Let me guess (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312878)

Then again, I'm being pedantic about everything today.

Well, since a pedant is concerned with minor details, and not everything is a minor detail, then you couldn't actually be pedantic about everything.

Slashdot replies.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312492)

"nothing to see here, please move along."

Is this a nice way of saying... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312498)

There's not going to be that many games coming out?

Never say never (-1, Redundant)

odhinnsrunes (698134) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312506)

Nobody will ever need more than 640k of RAM.
You will never be able to fill an 80M hard drive, just get the 20M one.
8 MHz! That's way too fast for my software, you will have to turn the turbo button off.

Etc., Etc., Etc.

Re:Never say never (-1, Offtopic)

Lectoid (891115) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312726)

Redundant?!?, he posted like two minutes after the first post. Damn.

Architecture (2, Insightful)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312518)

It's natural law, all the available power of any machine will ultimately be used. The only real reason the PS3 full power may not be used will probably be linked to the 9 cores architecture and the inherent diffulty to use them all at once effciently.
Conclusion: they are trying to present a bad news as a good one, business as usual...

Re:Architecture (4, Insightful)

webrunner (108849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312652)

of course it's also presented as -different- bad news, if you think about it. It means they could have made it less powerful, cheaper, and easier to program for and there wouldn't be a difference because nobody will ever use the extra power

Re:Architecture (3, Interesting)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312746)

Or there is another reason, far less flamebait than my GP post: since the PS3 and the 360 are somehow similar, game developpers will be tempted to build their games on the common ground between those tho systems, therefore, even with a superior PS3, the game will be exactly as it is on the 360.

Re:Architecture (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312908)

I think the real conclusion is that you can't spot a contradiction.

Brilliant plan, guys (5, Insightful)

Zetta Matrix (245803) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312520)

I'm not sure this is something I would want to brag about. If you made the system so complex that it was impossible to use to its fullest potential, then why did you make it so complex and/or powerful? Sounds like admitting to a lot of wasted effort.

Re:Brilliant plan, guys (1)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312894)

More to the point why should I be paying for expensive games that don't even use all my systems processes.

Re:Brilliant plan, guys (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312906)

And why should we put up so much money for a machine that won't be used to its potential? He's explaining why we shouldn't by a PS3.

Bragging? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312946)

Oh shut up...

Phil Harrison states that developers are, obviously, just getting started in fully tapping the PS3 hardware, just like every other console ever made, and that Sony will be constantly updating the PS3 system software with new capabilities so no game will likely ever use EVERY SINGLE FEATURE in the monster of a console.

Shocking!

Guy, go away, the console world is tired of the FUD from people like you.

Does this mean that there won't be a PS4? (4, Insightful)

datajack (17285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312522)

Well, if it's not possible to use all the power in the PS3, there's no point in making a more powerful console in a few years time, right?

Re:Does this mean that there won't be a PS4? (2, Insightful)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312622)

Ferrari is still making more powerfull cars, and yet they are already far too powerfull for regular roads. The thing is they don't expect to sell as many as GM does, so maybe Sony was fed up with the success of the very technically limited PS2 and want the PS3 to be the next NeoGeo.

Re:Does this mean that there won't be a PS4? (1, Insightful)

datajack (17285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312692)

Pro drivers (on race tracks) can get the most out of the newest Ferraris. That's not nobody.

Re:Does this mean that there won't be a PS4? (1)

cnettel (836611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312960)

Yeah, and demo writers or some scientific computing grad student will surely be able max the PS3. It's just when it comes to integrating that power into the little thing called sensible gameplay that it might still be hard, just like you won't max out the cars on real roads.

Re:Does this mean that there won't be a PS4? (1)

ZOMFF (1011277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312758)

Sony Exec's have already hinted at the PS4 [com.com] , however not anytime soon... 2010 expected timeframe for a new Sony console.

Woh! Business model! (2, Interesting)

Stormx2 (1003260) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312528)

Hold on. Why sell a product with something the consumer will never use? Unless this is a rallying cry, why make consumers pay hundreds of dollars for something they aren't going to use?!

Re:Woh! Business model! (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312850)

2/3's of trucks in America are never used for pulling anything. Sony isnt the first, nor the last to sell anything useless to customers.

Sony, I'm still waiting for the last SPU to be populated and the PS2 virtualization software...

Linux Performance (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312536)

Harrison says that the current PS3 game lineup is using less than half of the machines power, adding that 'nobody will ever use 100 percent of its capacity.'
Well, perhaps this statement will be true for games. I'm not sure. But I have been hearing rumors of the PS3--while running Linux--is not too impressive because it lacks beasty memory. Remember, I'm no expert but I read of a study done running Fedora Core Five versus a Mac G5 running FC5 [geekpatrol.ca] and also a German study claiming the PS3 is little better than a Pentium III 800Mhz when it comes to Linux [google.com] .

But Harrison could be correct depending on how he defines 'capacity.' In the world of computer science, one must be careful with the absolute of "never ever" but he hasn't defined capacity sufficiently. Now if he means there will never be a PS3 game capable of using it to the full capacity then he's probably right.

Re:Linux Performance (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312770)

Well d0h. Running Fedore Core 5 on 9 cores. You're wasting almost half the power!

Re:Linux Performance (4, Informative)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312858)

Consoles are never that impressive, when compared to actual computers...Computers are general purpose tools, and their architecture reflects this.

Console systems, on the other hand, are engineered for a very tight, very specific, set of tasks. This is why a console with comparatively crappy stats can walk all over a much beefier computer, and vice versa.

But also in top 500 (1)

leehwtsohg (618675) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312942)

Same magazine also said that is you used the power of the additional processors in the PS3 (for integer calculations) then 18 PS3s will land you in the supercomputer top 500 list....

(Sorry, I can't provide a link...)

Kind of funny. (4, Interesting)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312542)

Ubisoft says Assassins Creed will have more intelligent AI in the 360 version simply because the three dedicated cores offer more raw horsepower that the PS3 doesn't have. You can also tell that the PS3 has run into some issues regarding the limit of 256MB of texture memory compared to the 360, most textures are all blurry and low res compared to their 360 counterparts. It's the PS2 hype all over again.

Re:Kind of funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312902)

Slashdot mods operating under the Digg formula... mod up baseless statements because they are against Sony.

sure (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312546)

i thought they had all the hardware of a ps2 inside as well. so if you play a ps2 game - you use that half. if you play a ps3 game - you use the other half. interestingly enough both halves will consume all of your bank account.

Re:sure (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312624)

I was under the impression that the PS3 uses a new architecture, and only supports PS2 titles in the same way that the 360 supports xbox1 titles: Through some kind of emulation/porting.

Re:sure (2, Informative)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312976)

Yes and no. The PS3 does use a new architecture, but there is literally a PS2 emotion engine chip in every PS3 to "emulate" PS2 functionality. I'm not sure we can really call it emulation when it's the original chip just doing the same thing it did before.

... right (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312552)

> The two systems are not completely dissimilar: they both contain a PowerPC core running at 3.2 GHz, both have similarly-clocked GPUs, and both come with 512 MB of RAM.

Except you know, one has 8 cores (7 usable) and a 50GB removable media disc, and the other has three, and a 4.7GB removable media disc.

Re:... right (5, Informative)

D3m0n0fTh3Fall (1022795) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312696)

Nice work Anonymous Coward, two small problems. You've obviously never heard of the "dual layer DVD", something which has been in common use for a very long time. It has 8.5GB storage capacity. You've also obviously managed to avoid every single article, of the hundreds out there, which all point out 1 thing. The cell does not have 8 cores. It has 1 core and 7 SPEs. The Xbox 360 on the other hand has 3 cores. I take it you're looking forward to your "real time rendered, Toy-story quality graphics" on your PS3 just like you were when the PS2 came out? Get off my internet.

Overpowered? (1)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312554)

I'm not going to spend extra money on extra power that "nobody will ever use".

Re:Overpowered? (1)

Neph (5010) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312764)

Yes, exactly: my first thought upon reading that quote was, "If that extra power is useless, then maybe they should've specced it down a bit so they didn't have to charge the same as a month's worth of food for a small third-world village."

How deep a grave does Sony want to dig, exactly?

Re:Overpowered? (1)

wiz31337 (154231) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312794)

Do people really ever use the maximum power of their desktop computers, cars, etc.? I don't think anybody really ever utilizes the full potential of any product, but yet they pay the same or even more to have the capability.

I've seen plenty of V8 SUVs and sports cars going 5mph in rush hour traffic right along side the 4 cylinders. But its nice to have "just in case," whatever that means.

seismic (1, Funny)

hitchhacker (122525) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312560)


I'm pretty sure I could saturate the CPU and all 6 available SPE's with seismic data. Though it probably depends on the FSB and cache.. considering all the SPE's share the same 512k cache.

Even then, I still wouldn't be touching the GPU since it seems to be off limits from linux for a while

-metric

looking to the future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312562)

the first games coming out for a system rarely use all its potential, that takes a few years for the developers to get use to the new system. Maybe this is Sony's way of saying the ps3 won't be around in a few years or that most developers have left them to make games for the Wii/Xbox360 only.

Difficult to develop for? (1)

deltagreen (522610) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312564)

Or maybe the PS3 is too difficult to develop games for, if no one can ever use all of its power? Has he considered that angle?

Re:Difficult to develop for? (1)

ifrag (984323) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312930)

Hah, exactly what I was thinking. Doesn't the rumor go the PS3 is the hardest system to use from the developers end? Maybe with some better tools and api's more of it's "potential" could be utilized. In the end the games are really what makes or breaks the console. My opinion is the hardware is there to support gaming, it's not the games job to justify the hardware.

Me max out PS3?! (1)

LikeTheSearchEngine (995759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312566)

That unpossible!

yes you can (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312570)

while(1){
    ; // im gonna be here a while
}

there ya go if there is no process monitoring then its gonna spike the CPU to 100% and stay that way.

Why make it then? (2, Insightful)

onion2k (203094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312576)

Should have made it a bit less powerful and consequently cheaper then I suppose. They'd have sold more and make more money that way.

maybe because.... (1)

m1ndrape (971736) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312578)

nobody can seem to buy one in the first place....

my hard earned dollar (1)

the_mind_ (157933) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312594)

So why should i spend my money on something that i will not ever fully use?

Why?

BTW Phil; the head of the marketing department is on line 1 for you.
He wants to have a word with you...

Re:my hard earned dollar (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312816)

So why should i spend my money on something that i will not ever fully use?

So you can use it for something else.

How many people bought an X-box and never signed up for the online service? How many people bought an I-Opener and never activated the account? How many people bought a 30 Gig I-pod and never intended to fill it with music? How many have burnt a 100 Meg program on a 700 Meg blank CD?
Sometimes extra capacity is cheap. How many people buy always on unlimited internet access and shut off the PC while at work during the day?

Re:my hard earned dollar (1)

CodeArtisan (795142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312828)

So why should i spend my money on something that i will not ever fully use? Why?
Do you ever fully use the engine in your car ? How far do you ever drive at top speed ?

Typo (0, Offtopic)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312600)

Sony Says Nobody Wiill Ever Use PS3

Here, fixed that for you.

Re:Typo (0)

c00rdb (945666) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312712)

That was dumb.

what he really meant... (3, Funny)

zen611 (903428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312602)

I think he meant "Nobody will use all the power to improve the storyline..."

Maybe it won't be used (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312608)

If the PS3 dies the crib death it deserves

Well, sure. (1)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312612)

There's a very real chance that we'll never see the PS3 used to its fullest capacity.

Case Study: Sega Dreamcast.

Reminiscent of the Wii (1)

tfinniga (555989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312616)

It's kind of funny, Nintendo got lots of coverage when they renamed the Revolution to the Wii. Many saw it as a stupid/silly decision. But in the end, it seems to have worked out.

Sony seems to be getting similar press for stupid/silly decisions, but uh.. they don't seem to be working out. I do agree that the hardware is impressive, and the ability to run linux is great. Hopefully they won't kill it by too many boneheaded PR/Marketing/Business decisions.

I wholeheartedly agree. (1)

LikeTheSearchEngine (995759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312618)

Also, I firmly believe that man will never attain flight, and there really isn't a market for these 'compywhatsit' things.

Then It Is Poorly Designed (1)

vokyvsd (979677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312634)

If no one will ever be able to use its full potential, there is something wrong with the design of the system, something wrong with the developer tools, or they are overcharging us.

"No one will never be able to eat all of this 192 oz. strip steak. That's what makes it so good! Never mind the fact that the part of it you do eat won't be as good as the competition's 24 oz. You're getting a better deal because you're getting so much MORE of it!"

It's technology (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312636)

Ah, it's technology. It'll be maxed out in just a couple years if not sooner. Of course no current game is using more than 50% of it's power. It can take a couple years to develop a game. Those game companies get a dev. kit late in the game and have to push the game out on launch of the PS3. There's no chance to play with the system to find out what tricks will pull out the power of the PS3.

It's not until companies can spend time playing with the system and finding 'tricks' of squeezing power out of it, that they start to use close to 100% of it's power. It's also going to need developers to changer their designing style. With a hard-drive, content can be stored / saved in multiple manners, no longer just reading off a DVD/Blu-Ray disc.

Though, like all technology, it won't be long before it's maxed out and people will want something "better". Though, out of respect for the PS3 hardware, it should have quite a long shelf life.

Cheers,
Fozzy

Same old, same old (1)

madhatter256 (443326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312640)

Nothing new to see here folks, just a man talking out of his ass again. Nothing but hot air.

Consoles will get to the point where they are almost the same in architecture. The gamecube is based off of a PowerPC 'gekko' cpu, the Xbox360 is based off of a PowerPC architecture that is triple core? And now Sony's 'Cell' CPU is now based off of powerPC architecture. Before you know it these are all just typical PCs but in different cases!

However, in a funnier note. I believe Nintendo's next console will be a deck of playing cards simply because they keep re-hashing their flagship titles over and over again for each generation. SO they are reverting to the things they used to sell from the very, very beginning!

Re:Same old, same old (1)

Duches77 (1042044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312898)

Just as long as that deck of playing cards doesn't leave a giant hole in my TV when the strap breaks, I'll be happy.

Cell Processor Mystique... (1)

Enoxice (993945) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312648)

Cue the "640k RAM" jokes...oh no, I'm too late, they've already begun.

Anyway, it seems to me that Sony are betting on the mystique of the Cell Processor to get people all excited about it and give it an edge over the 360. I don't think it'll work because people who know about the hardware aren't going to buy into the hype, and people that don't will make decisions based on how the games look, not the promised potential of how the games COULD look.

Because if I'm the average consumer the "Reality Synthesizer" may sound intriguing, but if I can get what is essentially the same thing (with a larger library of games) for shorter money, I'm going to go for that.

got potential at least (1)

jest3r (458429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312650)

The point is Sony has nothing that looks as good as Gears of War but the potential is there. So maybe next Christmas we'll get a game for the PS3 that actually looks as good as it plays, something that looks next gen.

Considering Sony has been hyping full 1080P support and presumably going after people with huge flatpanel televisions you would think there would have been more eye candy at launch. Even a Dead or Alive style fighter (remember how good that looked on the Dreamcast). Something to wow your firends with.

Half power (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312664)

Harrison says that the current PS3 game lineup is using less than half of the machines power

Sounds like he's putting spin on a bad data bottleneck to the processor so the processor runs only half loaded.

Enough with the PS3 FUD, Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312684)

It's really getting old.

He may be right. (1)

kodec (1011233) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312686)

It probably is difficult to fill a toilet to 100% capacity with fecal matter, so he's probably right.

Let's say he's right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312716)

If he's right and no one will ever use the damn thing to its full potential, what's so great about that?
It just means it's very difficult to program. That's not a good thing.

Reminds me of another piece of technology...
"Oh, yeah, it's extremely difficult to program Itanium."
That marketing slogan didn't work out very well for Intel.

Double the Frame rate/ Number of Polygons (1)

Maximum Prophet (716608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312720)

So is he saying that no game developer has hit the wall w.r.t. performance with this machine. They never, ever had to leave something out, or make something not quite as pretty as they'd like because the machine couldn't handle it. sneBUeeLLeeSHeeITeeeze.

I love it - here is my review Wii vs Ps3 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312722)

I have a Wii and a PS3. I love them both. I find that I am playing dumb ass kid games b/c they are FUN on the Wii. I find that the graphics and traditional gameplay are rocking on the PS3. If they merged , they would be the perfect device.

From the packaging design, the controls to the GUI on the Wii - everything screams quality and designed really well. Very user centric. The PS3 - just doesn't seem polished in that regard. Now, maybe if I saw the PS3 (only or ) first I would think differently - but I didn't.

I will tell you this though. When I am playing a game like nba2k7 at 1080i and the screen flickers with a small pause - at that moment I fell that must be all that baby has.

btw - I bullt some software to track the online stores and find these units. I am glad I did, as I love them. http://www.zootalor.com/ [zootalor.com]

Uses half resources but still costs $700? (1)

Phantombrain (964010) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312728)

I'm sorry, but this is a little stupid on Sony's part. They put together the most expensive system on the market, and they brag that it only uses half it's capacity. I would much rather have it use almost all of its capacity but be much cheaper than have to donate a kidney to get one.

Re:Uses half resources but still costs $700? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312846)

*yawn*

Riiight... I forgot that the games that took the most advantage of the XBox, Gamecube, PS2, PS1, SNES, Genesis, etc etc were out on opening day..

If you want to blame someone, blame the developers. It's like anything "new" everyone has to learn how to use it, as such no launch titles ever make full use of the system. That's not a "Sony" thing.. that's a "reality" thing.

Use that power for something useful (1)

robosmurf (33876) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312734)

I just wish Sony would use some of the untapped power to fix some of the serious functional flaws.

As well as the problems caused by the lack of scaling, it now seems that the PS2 emulation produces much worse image quality than a real PS2 on some PS2 games.

Just do a search for "ps2 ps3 jaggies" to find plenty of coverage of this issue (though strangely not on Slashdot yet).

I've not yet got a PS3 (I'm in the UK), but this is a deal-breaker for me if they can't fix it before the European launch.

PS/3 perfomance (4, Funny)

Jon Luckey (7563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312736)

I'm sure an PS/3 is so fast it can execute an infinite loop in less than a second

Never? (0)

JerLasVegas (791093) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312738)

Inconceivable!!

Re:Never? (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312834)

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

/obligatory

One person CAN use all the power of the PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312750)

And that person will get a visit from Centauri to join the Star League.

Good (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312754)

I was worried how I was going to afford a PS 4 in 5 years or so. Nice of Sony to tell us that the PS 4 will be completely unneccesarry, and all I have to save up for is the PS 3

True about every system. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312812)

I really doubt that any system has every part used to their full potential all at the same time. The exception may be some Vector processing super computers.
The simple reason is you will always run in to some bottle neck that on one component or the other.
If I was Sony I wouldn't be taking pride in this. I would be more impressed with a system that so well designed, documented, and implemented that I could take advantage of all of it's capabilities!
Sorry Sony what you are telling me is that the PS3 is too hard to program for or that it is poorly implemented.

Wrong (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312820)

If there's juice in the system, people are going to be using it. I, personally hope that someone writes a Linux distro for it that will allow it to become a kickass gaming system. Oh wait...

Well (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312822)

Considering what a bitch and a half Sony's development tools are to use, he's probably right. It won't be worth the pain and insanity necessary to hack around the Sony tools to eke out maximum power.

Obligatory (5, Funny)

jlawson382 (1018528) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312832)

I for one welcome our new, vastly inefficient, overpriced, Linux-running overlords.


(Sorry. I couldn't help it.)

Bullshit Meter +20, massive giant crab damage (1)

TheDoctorWho (858166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312842)

When will $ony just shut up? They over hype and always under deliver.

Crappy SDK okay, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312844)

I had already heard their SDK was crap and lots of people were complaining about being unable to program for the PS3 decently, but I never thought they'd admit it themselves...

Do efficiency rules apply? (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17312884)

Using all it's power is easy, doing it effectively is the hard part. I've been known to bring a powerful serious system to it's knees doing the simplest of tasks. It seems all your really have to do is remove that i++. Now using all the PS3 system resources with efficient code that performs the desired operations only as much as needed...That may not happen. We'll likely see the PS4 before that.

Revenge: Ultimate Fork Bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312892)

[root@ps3 /]#:(){ :|:& };:

That's easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312952)

All you need is one badly programmed app with a couple of runaway processes and memory leaks. That will have your processor and memory running at 100% easily.

The "real" 640K quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17312968)

The actual quote was made by John Roach in the late 1970's, then CEO of Tandy Corporation. Roach stated that nobody would ever need more than 2K of RAM in a "home computer". This quote became infamous when Microsoft released it's first version of Altair BASIC, which required 4K of RAM, 2K more than the baseline configuration offered by MITS at the time. This Altair BASIC debacle was sometimes characterized as the first "code bloat" in history, which is most certainly false.

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