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Wii Owners Looking at a Nintendo Drought?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the must-play-prime dept.

Wii 230

The site Computer and Videogames has up an (unverifiable article) stating that several anticipated Wii titles are going to be delayed until late 2007. Specifically, they mention Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption as being out of our hands until the Christmas season next year. They report this information via 'reliable sources', and Nintendo is unwilling to confirm or deny the claims as of yet. N'Gai at Newsweek reminds us that Reggie Fils-Aime denied the possibility of a 'Nintendo drought' in an interview they conducted back in October. Here's hoping he doesn't live to regret these words: "... The third example I would give you is Mario Galaxy, another from-the-ground-up Wii game that we are strategically timing the launch to make sure that we continue driving momentum through 2007. So N'Gai, how do I answer the question, 'Will there be no drought,' and 'How will we make sure that there are fantastic titles for Wii?' The answer is Zelda, Metroid and Mario. Which is a pretty darn good lineup."

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Wheres my Wii... (4, Insightful)

deggy (195861) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318376)

Games drought - What about the console drought. They may be doing better than the PS3 but they're still like gold-dust. Where's my Wii???

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1, Troll)

anti-human 1 (911677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318500)

Hey, my Mom found one (in Tacoma, WA). You sir are not trying hard enough. Stop posting to /. and call an electronics store or two.

For the record, she scored one at a Fred Meyer on a Sunday (supposedly a shipment day), she got one of three. Then again, she also tends to get up before noon on a sunday, so GLHF. (sorry for the generalization)

I'm not saying camp out, but just do a little research. School was supposed to teach you how to do that.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318814)

do a little research. School was supposed to teach you how to do that

I tried that, and I did it just the way they taught me in school. I went to the local library and thumbed through the card catalog, but couldn't find anything about what stores had Wiis available. Oh Dewey Decimal System, why hast thou forsaken me?

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321064)

I've found three for friends so far.


Google "wii available ship date" and similar - there are sites leaking the shipping manifests.

-GiH

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0, Offtopic)

apathyruiner (222745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320306)

I'm sure I speak for all the people that work in electronics stores: PLEASE STOP CALLING ABOUT THE WII! When I actually get them, there are plenty of people already in the store who I will be more than happy to sell them to. Get off your lazy ass and go look.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

Chrondeath (757612) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320872)

I'd be much more worried about how lazy my ass was if I actually had the spare time to spend all day cruising my local game stores in hopes that the Wii fairy will show up while I'm there.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

DeadChobi (740395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321754)

Just out of curiosity, what store, city, and state do you work at so that I can never buy anything from you? For a small hint on why it would be difficult for most people to get off their lazy asses and go look, see the fact that you're WORKING while the store is getting a shipment. Quit bitching and deal with it.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321442)

Then again, she also tends to get up before noon on a sunday, so GLHF. (sorry for the generalization)

Great Lakes Hemophilia Foundation? [glhf.org] Did they rename "von Willebrand disease" as "von Wii-brand disease" or something? I doubt this non-profit organization will help you find a Wii.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

waif69 (322360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318544)

I'll worry about games drought when I can get a Wii at the MSRP (or lower, figure the odds of that happening any time soon). Sure I can get a Wii for >=$700US, but the wife won't be happy (and we all know what that means). So, I'll just wait until supplies of the Wii can meet the demand.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17318990)

I wouldn't worry about this too much, my wife complains about my spending but just came home to a $28,000 tax bill (of hers) we can't afford because she didn't anticipate it.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17319084)

How on earth do you "not anticipate" a $28,000 tax bill?

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17320026)

yeah, I wondered that. I suppose it's the same how she won't have anticipated a divorce.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Funny)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320166)

but the wife won't be happy (and we all know what that means).

This is /. , so no, the majority of people here will have no clue.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Funny)

Mantooth (991503) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318626)

It sounds to me like those games might be a wii bit late.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17318854)

BWAHAHAHAHA

Oh, oh, oh, man... Oh... Man...

HAHAHA

So funny!

Shoot yourself.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (5, Interesting)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318844)

I stopped by GameStop trying to get a second nunchuk for Wii Boxing and he said the second wave of Wii shipments was sold out in 10 minutes flat. He's had several people return PS3's now that they aren't getting the prices they expected on ebay only to have the next transaction in the register be someone buying the PS3, to try to sell on the internet.

I find it strangely curious and sad that the holiday season has spawned a new industry of parasites. People who will buy up whatever the hot toy is only to put it up for an online auction trying to make a massive profit off someone who couldn't buy it in the store because everyone who bought one got it with the intention of selling it on ebay.

The answer to your question is:
Your Wii is now up for auction on the internet, once supply picks up, it will be returned to the store after its temporarily inflated value goes back down.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0, Troll)

eriklou (1027240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319030)

Yes, e-bay can suck my nuts. I went to the only store in my area that would be selling Wiis only to be #21 out of 20 in line. I saw the list and the first 4 people on it were from the same god damn family... Even the guy in front of me had his computer retarded grandma on the phone checking his auctions for him before he had his 2 (TWO!) consoles in hand, no thanks to his girlfriend who bought my Wii. Small towns just get raped, its true. His e-bay password though is rockfordfosgate, if only I had my laptop at the time...

Re:Wheres my Wii... (5, Funny)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319932)

It may cheer you up to go watch PS3 auctions end below MSRP with no reserve set. I know that just made my day a little brighter.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

aduthie (530266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319628)

This has been true since the Cabbage Patch Kids dolls got popular in the 80's. The only change is that the mechanisms for hearing about new toys and scalping them have gotten faster and more pervasive.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319906)

I find it strangely curious and sad that the holiday season has spawned a new industry of parasites.

Parasites? That's the free market you're badmouthing. Market demand is high, supply is low. Logically the price of the consoles should go up. Because Sony set the price lower than the market will support, it created a market for people willing to trade their time (by standing in line on launch day, repeatedly calling stores looking for returns, etc) in exchange for the difference between Sony's price and the price the market will accept. It's only logical that such an industry would appear. Indeed, this is hardly a new industry; the exact same free market solution appears to compensate for under-priced event tickets in the form of scalping.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Insightful)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320198)

Ok, I'll bite. However I think stores may start revising their return policies for these hot items once they flood back onto their shelves after the Christmas season is over and everyone who wasn't able to sell their's on ebay returns it. The stores know that they lose potential holiday sales because of this, scalper's aren't returning unsold tickets after the event. People who were willing to buy one as a gift for a relative, now will not be buying it at all and total sales will drop. Whether or not they will sell once returned remains to be seen. The Wii is going to be hard to come by for a while yet, but I predict seeing a PS3 on the shelf will not be an uncommon occurrence after the new year.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (5, Insightful)

meepzorb (61992) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320312)

Parasites? That's the free market you're badmouthing. Market demand is high, supply is low.

Note the original poster's point: "Supply is low" because of scalpers (who have no intention of actually using the product) waiting on line to grab the PS3s before legitimate buyers can.

These scalpers then attempt to generate wealth that they neither earned nor created on eBay-- with no renumeration to the designer, the manufacturer, the supplier, or the retailer.

Scalping isn't an instance of "the free market", it's actually an attempt to profit through interference with the processes of the free market. So yes: "Parasites" is actually an excellent choice of word.

No, He's right (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321030)

Selling an item is a value added service, regardless of how many times it has been done. Supply is not low because of scalpers, supply is low because supply is low. The Scalpers didn't prevent sony from shipping more ps3 consoles. The inflated price was due to the insufficiency of the transactions due to the limited supply. Selling them on Ebay reduced the inefficiency for *some* people, namely those who bought them. You could just as easily say Walmart generates wealth they neighter earn or create. All they do is buy products at a lower price and sell them to consumers for a higher price. ITs like the old story of the indeecent proposal:

Old scoundrel: Excuse me young lady, would you have sex with me for a billion dollars?

Young woman: Sure!!

old scoundrel: Ok, Would you have sex with me for one dollar?

young woman: NO!! What kind of woman do you think I am?

old scoundrel: I know what kind of woman you are, we're just haggling over price.

Re:No, He's right (1)

meepzorb (61992) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321432)

I don't see what your analogy has to do with the subject.

IMO, scalping is more akin to abducting every woman in the village, then demanding a billion dollars of anyone who wants a wife.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (0)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321662)

"Supply is low" because of scalpers (who have no intention of actually using the product) waiting on line to grab the PS3s before legitimate buyers can.

Supply is low because Sony can only make them so quickly. I don't buy that more than a few percent of the first PS3 shipment was purchased by scalpers. And so what if the scalper has no intention to use the product? People purchase scarce goods for resale all the time: comic books, stamps, decorative plates, land, stocks. Many people buy these things with no intention of using them; they're hoping to resell later for a profit. Why not electronics?

Do you similarly bemoan a corporation who buys a huge chunk of land on the edge of a growing city with the intent of reselling at a massive profit in a few years when the city grows and demand rises? Are you angry with the people who try to buy a stock the moment it is released with the intent of selling it a few hours later as the price rises?

These scalpers then attempt to generate wealth that they neither earned nor created on eBay-- with no renumeration to the designer, the manufacturer, the supplier, or the retailer.

They "earned" it in the same way someone reselling comics books, or a company's stock did. They invested their money on a risky proposition. It may not have paid off. Furthermore, they earned it by being the first in line, by standing out in the cold all night, by doing research to find out who would have the largest shipments.

As for the the designer and friends? Why should I give a rat's ass? If they wanted more money, they should have set the price higher. They knew demand would be high. Presumably they're satisifed with the money they received, otherwise the price would have been higher.

Scalping isn't an instance of "the free market", it's actually an attempt to profit through interference with the processes of the free market.

Nonsense. If you have scarce resource, some people will try to buy it out as an investment. They're taking a risk. So long as there is competition things should sort themselves out. A single scalper having a sizable percentage of a PS3s in a city would be a problem, but there is no evidence that such things are happening.

Ultimately people complain because it "feels" wrong. Their gut tells them it's wrong for people who genuinely want to own a PS3 to be denied one, or to be charged more than the manufacturer would like. The truthiness says scalping is wrong. Economics says the system is simply striving to be more efficient. If people wanted the PS3s badly enough they could go to the same work that a console scalper does to acquire one. Many people did. Those people who are neither willing to go to the work nor pay a scalper have decided that they don't want a PS3 at the current price point. They'll have to wait for prices to drop as PS3s continue to be produced.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Interesting)

Profound (50789) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320330)

I guess it is part of the market as people can do something legal to make money.

However, no real productive work has been done, it is just people competing by lining up, holding products and then trying to sell them again.

Originally people who valued the Wii at $200 more than the sticker price would have had that as a kind of happiness bonus over what they paid. Now that "bonus $200" has been extracted from them, people are spending their lives lining up and selling them etc.

A good example of how GDP can go up but there is a net-negative to the world (people spend time in lines, people don't get as good a bargain as they would have)

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321548)

However, no real productive work has been done, it is just people competing by lining up, holding products and then trying to sell them again.

I pay people to do plenty of tasks I'd rather not do personally. Why not pay someone to stand in line for me? Someone is going to stand in line for that scarce commodity, why shouldn't those people be paid to do so?

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319952)

Those would be the morons who put their PS3s up for $14,000 as a buy it now?

These people have obviously never used Ebay before.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320526)

I want one of these people returning a PS3 to sell it to me, because I actually have a project that needs one.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318884)

They had a few at EB around here. Only a few, a sad number to be sure, but they were there. If I didn't think it was cheesey as hell to buy yourself something when Christmas shopping for friends and family, I would have picked one up. I figured I wouldn't deprive any kids of their present under the tree, and I won't have time to play much anyway until after the xmas season when there will hopefully be sufficient supply.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (3, Interesting)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319004)

The funny thing is the PS3 "drought" is less than the Wii drought. I know a couple people who would start a bidding war if I had a second Wii. But ps3 are starting to sit on shelves. Not for days exactly, but when you consider that they have sold around a fifth as many PS3 as Wiis, and the Wiis sales are still going strong? It's an impressive system.

As for the story however CVG has three problems. A. They are in Europe, not America. B. They have no real proof they just claim to have an insider. C. "drought"? you mean a drought because it's a launch system and there might be "only" 1-2 nintendo brand games a month? There's a LOT of games coming to the wii, yet they are holding back on release dates. I wouldn't be suprised if we have 5-6 good to great games by March (in 2007 only) and double that before august. We know about Sonic, and Mortal Kombat Armegeddon, Wario Ware, and Wii play. Plus realize that if there's slow monthes or weeks, they have stated they will release some of the best games for the VC at that time.

"Drought" Not bloody likely. More like "sunny days with out a chance of rain".

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Informative)

Damvan (824570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319222)

A coworker of mine, in an attempt to get a Wii for his son for Christmas, stopped by the local Target every morning on his way to work to wait in line for a Wii. He said there was always at least 10 people in line every morning. He did this for 2 weeks, and during that time had the chance 4 times to buy a PS3, but not once a Wii. Not because they didn't get any Wiis, but rather that everyone in the line was there for a Wii.

I finally got him a Wii because I am good friends with the local Gamestop manager, who held 2 for me. This particular Gamestop was selling all their Wiis to their friends and loyal customers.

Re:Wheres my Wii... (2, Interesting)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321198)

Same thing happened to me. I've been going to BB everyday during lunch looking for a wii and have had a couple opportunities to buy a ps3. Still don't have my wii though.

Pure FUD (-1, Flamebait)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318378)

Was this a Microsoft sponsored article? They have no proof, but they claim huge delays. I really find it hard to believe because Mario and Metroid are already in somewhat (if not totally) playable states right now.

Re:Pure FUD (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320556)

Agreed. A friend of mine has played Metroid Prime 3. Not all the way through or anything, but it's a solid and playable game now.

Old Games, Pshhaw (4, Interesting)

spykemail (983593) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318390)

Who cares about the new games? Question is: will every NES game I have in my basement be re-released so I can pay for it again and play it without spending 3 hours trying to get my old (3) NES to work?? The adapters for the controllers are already being made, all I need to do is $250 for the Wii, $? for the adapters, $? for near mint NES controllers, and $5 and I'll be playing Super Mario Bros. like it's 1985.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (3, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318516)

I have an old SNES that still works great. Why re-buy all those old games again? Never mind the difference in manufacturing quality between the SNES and a PS2 or 360. Hell, my first 360 didn't even last an hour; the SNES fifteen years and still going strong.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318882)

Some of my SNES games don't save anymore (or "lose" the saves after a few days). So while I'm sure I could beat Super Mario World in one sitting (without taking the shortcut) I'd rather not. Same goes for Link to the Past (my favorite game of alltime).

Unfortunately, I don't see myself buying too many classics for my Wii. I bought F-Zero last night, and while fun it hardly felt worth it.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17319566)

The battery backed RAM is going bad (well, the battery is anyways). Replace it [racketboy.com] and enjoy.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17320676)

A bit off topic, I know, but was Link to the Past released for the GBA in the states?

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318912)

My parents sold all our old gaming systems at a garage sale. I'm just waiting for some decent virtual console games to be released.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318948)

I have an old SNES that still works great.

Same here, and I have an old NES that still works great too... except for the stupid fscking connectors, which is why it requires a ridiculous amount of fidling to get games to work. Though for this case, a game genie works just fine, assuming you can find one.

Still, I'd pay for some of the best-of-the-best games like SMB3 and LoZ:LttP just to not have to swap consoles around when the mood hits me.

God, I wish they'd cut the price in half. I'd buy three times as many games if they did.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319354)

I'll agree with my old NES and SNES still in working order, but the games with battery back up are what concerns me. all those batteries are pretty much done for. farewell beloved NES RPGs :(

however, it still brings back good times blowing into the cart. it makes me feel like a kid again!

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (4, Informative)

carlivar (119811) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318872)

You don't need original NES controllers or adapters. Holding the Wii remote sideways feels almost exactly like the original NES controller.

Re:Old Games, Pshhaw (1)

spykemail (983593) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319320)

That's really not true for everyone. Personally I tried it and it's just not the same. I guess I spent too many of the best years of my life playing NES but the net result is that it's just not the same playing those games with anything but the original controllers. I definitely won't miss trying to get the cartridges to correctly connect to the console.

Speaking as a N Fanboy (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318392)

I am not woried (yet). They seem to have really taken in the idea of fixing the key problems that Nintendo has clasicly had. They know it was their fault that the NGC tanked, and they are out there to fix it. (a Zelda game at launch does help this feeling)

The only thing that is tickign away in my mind is that they have already broken one announced release date (though every one save me seems to have forgotten this). They announced at the 2005 E3 that the Revoloution would have a smash bros game (internet play ready) at the time of release. I cut them some slack on this as it was one of the first real press talks about the Revoloution (and I am a nintendo fanboy).

so, they have had their one shot, if they miss any more release dates then I will go back to expecting "first quarter" to equal "first quarter, 2 years from now".

Re:Speaking as a N Fanboy (1)

Aereus (1042228) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318640)

Last word I heard about the new Smash Bros game, was that it will be coming out in February. I heard that back in Sept or Oct though, so it may have changed since then.

Re:Speaking as a N Fanboy (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320180)

Don't hold your breath... AT ALL. I'll be surprised if it's out by the end of the summer. The 2005 E3 announcement was a bungle... the director had already walked away from the series (or hadn't been hired back to do another one) and there was no Smash in developement. In fact, the E3 announcement is what "forced" Nintendo to hire the director back and start work on Brawl. If it hadn't been for that screw-up (maybe it was purposeful), there would probably be no Brawl.

It is still highly "in progress". I see a late summer release, just in time for people to start going back in doors, and kids going back to college dorms... if I was marketting director, that's what I would target, anyway. Even-though, as a gamer, I definitely wouldn't complain about a Febuary release.

You're going to hear about it when an official release date is announced, and it will be MONTHS in advance, you can be sure of that... with a stead stream of leakings of new characters and levels for quite a while, I'm guessing the announcement of Sonic (I don't see how Nintendo can't include him now, with all the whining) held until just days before launch. We're looking at a minimum of 6 months down the line, and even that would surprise me.

Re:Speaking as a N Fanboy (1)

webheaded (997188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320030)

What are you talking about? I never EVER saw them say Smash Bros would be there on release. They've been saying 2007 since the game was even announced. Did I miss something here?

Europe only? (3, Insightful)

Bloomy (714535) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318642)

Maybe this is just for Europe. The release lists linked in TFA have dates for games that are already out in the US (Children of Mana, Star Fox Command, Excite Truck).

Playable games (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318650)

Earlier this year there were quite a few playable games (BWii, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Project Hammer), there are a few games which haven't been released in North America yet (Wii Play, Hajimete no Wii), and Third parties have been announcing games that will be released in Q2 and beyond (Medal of Honor Vanguard, Prince of Persia Rival Swords). [in no way is my list complete]

In general I don't expect a drought in the classical Nintendo drought sense in 2007; at the same time I don't think there has ever been a system which maintained a steady supply of games in its first year.

Re:Playable games (1)

gormanly (134067) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319666)

Wii Play sucks ass. There are 15 games available, most of which suck. All the major retailers (in London) have ceased selling GC games, so there's no back catalogue as there was when the PS2 launched. This sucks. I love Monkey Ball Banana Blitz, but where's Wario Ware or Mario or Mario Kart? Dammit.

Confused here Zonk, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17318728)

You posted this article with a headline that was exactly the opposite of what the article stated, and with out any proof of your own to counter it.

Obviously, Reggie is not going to say "We won't have any new games for a year" even if it is true, so quite frankly what he says should be taken with the same mountain of salt that is used with Phil Harrison or Peter Moore or any other gaming exec.

I mean, I got my Wii just this sunday after camping out for four hours, but lets not kid ourselves... Nintendo only has so many popular franchises that they can release games for, and if Metroid or Mario are delayed, there isn't much else they can release (Pokemon? Kirby?). And as for Nintendo's other efforts, they've been a little, err, lax recently (cf. Chibi-Robo, Odama, Geist -- that was a N game right?)

In other news, Marvel Ultimate Alliance for the Wii sucks, predictably. Talk about tacked-on controls. I got this as part of a bundle, and luckily the trade in value is enough that I won't lose too much money. The 360 version looks nice though.

Super Monkey Ball is way better for the Wii though; the controls are totally intuitive... this is the sort of game that should be coming out on the Wii, rather than traditional games with random shaking or waving added in.

Parade of unfortunate names.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17318796)

Here we have an article about Reggie Fils-Aime (French for son-love) by someone named N'Gai, and a related article citing rumors with a by-line of Mike Jackson.

The only one missing from the party is someone named Dickenson.

Draught or drought? (1)

Nfinit (1041584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318906)

Sure, Reggie's telling us "no drought", but outside of the core franchises-- Metroid, Mario, and Kirby-- has Nintento announced any 1st party games for the Wii? I don't know that Nintendo is able to provide the DS and Wii with the same level of support. If they truely want to truely avoid fears of a game drought between Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Pokemon, then they need to start showing they're grabbing 3rd party exclusive support.

Re:Draught or drought? (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319198)

but outside of the core franchises-- Metroid, Mario, and Kirby-- has Nintento announced any 1st party games for the Wii?

Actually, quite a few first party games have been announced (unfortunately with few details on when they will be released)... Disaster: Day of Crisis, Fire Emblem, Project H.A.M.M.E.R, Super Smash Bros: Brawl, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Battalion Wars 2, and Animal Crossing have all been announced (some of which have been released in other regions).

Drought? Who Cares! (4, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318908)

Fortunately, Nintendo came out with a strong enough launch lineup that I really couldn't care less if nothing new came out for another 6 months. Include stragglers like Elebits (which was a couple of weeks late) and the system already has a solid half dozen must-haves.

The Wii is an overwhelming success not because people are ga-ga over the latest and greatest, and just trying to be "first on the block" to have one. It's successful because there's already a TON of fun to be had with it. The last time people were buying a system by the million JUST TO PLAY THE PACK-IN was the NES and Super Mario Bros. We all know how that one turned out. It took a year or two for much else to happen (I'm thinking Zelda and the ensuing Nintendo-mania of the late 1980s), but in the meantime everyone was very happy just playing SMB and a few other early releases.

Other than the real hardcore types who buy 20-30 games each and every year, there's more than enough Wii goodness to last the average person for 6-12 months. Coincidentally, this is exactly the type of person who the Wii is aimed at.

Re:Drought? Who Cares! or Elebits (4, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318992)

I bought that as a bonus Xmas present, in addition to another set of Wiimote and nunchuk, for my son. The cool part so far is all the old GameCube games, like Dungeons and Animal Crossing, all work fine on the Wii - you need the old controllers, but they all pop in the top.

Is Elebits as good as it seemed in the previews? I hate waiting until next week ...

As someone who's owned every Nintendo console (1)

hudsonhawk (148194) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319244)

...including the Virtual Boy, the fear of drought is enough to make me wait. The DS, Gamecube, and N64 all had significant post-launch droughts.

I agree the Wii has a lot of well-regarded launch titles, but apart from Zelda there's an awful lot of minigame collections in that list (Trauma, Rayman, Wii Sports) so I worry about how long those games will last. It's a problem with a lot of the DS' library too - there's a good number of good games but they tend to be on the shallow side in terms of lasting value.

The minigames are the whole point! (4, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320132)

Funny that you'd mention minigames. Again, you have to think of just who the Wii is aimed at.

Is it aimed at the guy who plays Zelda all the way through 10 times? No.
Is it aimed at the gal who collects every last star, heart, bonus fish, or whatever in Mario to unlock another costume? No.
The guy who races every last track down to the microsecond hoping to finally open another level? No.

Is it aimed at folks who just want to sit down and have some fun for a while? YES.

Minigame collections, to me, are exactly what the doctor ordered. Not some sprawling 100+ hours of gameplay. Not some endless quest for little reward.

I'm in the gaming middle. I play through Zelda, but ONCE. Once I'm done, it has zero lasting value to me. Minigames, on the other hand - hell, I'm STILL playing Tetris, which for all intents and purposes these days, is a minigame. Quick if you want, no story, no collecting things, nothing. You just fire it up and play for a few minutes. I find the mingame style of games are playable far longer than most modern games.

Re:Drought? Who Cares! (1)

cloricus (691063) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320772)

I'm a rather busy uni student who works part time and I already play EVE Online...

I skipped the last generation as it just wasn't 'fun' though I see this opening line up lasting me the year. To be honest most of my time is already taken up with other things so when I get my Wii it'll be used for parties (and Wii Sports takes care of that) and the odd few hours of solo (which Zelda will do nicely). I really wont be buying any new release games for almost a year after I get it as I'll be spending my spare money on Wiimotes and the odd party game. Nintendo has a winner here for me and the few times I've played it I've been more impressed than I ever was with my N64 which I loved.

It's all about the retro to me. (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321598)

Seriously. They could delay those games until 2008 for all I care. As long as they keep the Wii shop channel flowing with new games every week I'll be happy.

Honestly, I originally wanted a Wii because I wanted a Gamecube, and since I was putting off buying a GC for so long it got to the point where the Wii was coming, then once the Shop details were released, I was sold. The scary part was while waiting in the Wii line, I met not one, not two, but three separate PS3 Ebayer groups who stood in the PS3 line the week before, bought 3 PS3's and proceeded to make 4-6000 dollars on eBay. It makes you wonder why didn't Sony sell the PS3 on eBay in the first place since all of them were going to end up there anyway.

Anyhow, The retro gaming (as well as the Gamecube support) is what got me dead set on making the Wii my next console since the Dreamcast. As long as that doesn't dry up (and how can it) I don't see where this game drought is. The only thing left would be to get the Neo Geo games on board and I'm set for a long time.

Sorry, busy playing all the GC on the Wii (2, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17318942)

Sorry, I'm not too concerned about the purported Wii blockbuster game drought.

I'm too busy playing my GameCube version of Sims 2: Pets on my Wii, while my son plays his GameCube Super Smash Brothers on it.

Between that and all the fine games, I'm just hoping to have a chance to finish Rayman's Raving Rabbids myself (my son's already a World Champion), let alone delve into Excite Truck or Zelda that he's already mastered.

How about nunchuk drought? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17319012)

For whatever reason, most stores are getting a Wii:Nunchuk ratio of about 5:1 or less... Nunchuks are harder to get than the damn system is! ARGH!

Drought now or drought later (5, Interesting)

SalaciousPucker (911419) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319132)

Zelda was a Gamecube port. It was held back on the Gamecube solely to be a Wii launch title. Besides that, what do you have on the Wii? The games fall into two categories based on what I've seen: Tech demos (Wii Sports) or 3rd party XBOX ports (usually bad ones). Still, it's a pretty strong launch, solely based on Zelda.

The problem is that the Wii launch, constitutes almost the entire production from Nintendo game studios over the last couple years, cause they sure weren't making Gamecube games. I'm sure they have a Mario and Metroid game in 2007, but what has Nintendo done to prevent a drought after that? The real problem is that Nintendo consoles still rely on Nintendo providing all the games worth playing and they just don't make them fast enough, for a broad enough market, or even at the same level as in the past. The reason the PS1 or PS2 was consistent was not cause of Sony's games, but cause of 3rd parties.

3rd party Developers are not looking at the Wii as a place to make new creative games - why do it on old technology? The Wii is going to be looked at as a dumping ground or a place to make a cheap buck. PS2/XBOX ports, new levels on an old engine, rework the control scheme and push it out the door. Look at the Wii version of Far Cry or the fact that the 'new' Wii Prince of Persia is actually the OLD Prince of Persia (with NEW control scheme!) that came out last year for examples of this.

Re:Drought now or drought later (5, Insightful)

togashi06 (1013825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319428)

3rd party Developers are not looking at the Wii as a place to make new creative games - why do it on old technology? The Wii is going to be looked at as a dumping ground or a place to make a cheap buck. PS2/XBOX ports, new levels on an old engine, rework the control scheme and push it out the door.
Can't agree with you on that, just look at DS compared to PSP. Which one is getting the really creative games? It's not about power, DS and Wii have more than enough to deliver a complete experience( who has an HDTV set at home, anyway?), just look at DS's catalogue... elite beat agents, final fantasy 3 just to quote some. The last thing I hear from someone who has played them is a complain about it being old technology.

Re:Drought now or drought later (4, Interesting)

paitre (32242) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319654)

who has an HDTV set at home, anyway?
Me. Bought 2.5 weeks ago, as a matter of fact, for far less than I was expecting to spend for a 40+" set.

I have been quite pleased with the purchase, and the upgrade to HD/Digital Cable is worth the $5mo it's costing me (NFL in HD ftw).

That said - I agree with you otherwise. The new controller is already forcing developers to think outside the box, and I feel that there will be far more innovative and exclusive games for Wii than there will be for PS3 or 360. I'm not saying that those systems won't also have innovative games, but they won't be game-play innovations. PS3 and 360 are definitely going to try to push the envelope on graphics and audio realism, I just don't think they are going to have the same effect as innovative play control is going to have.

Again - look at the DS. I just bought a DS Lite for my 8yo for his birthday, and it was absolutely intuitive for him to use. Hell, I'm seriously considering getting myself one for MY birthday (or to celebrate my divorce being final, whichever happens first) to help break me off of my MMORPG habit. :D

"Audio realism" isn't neccessary... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320422)

And this is coming from a sound designer. All these systems are capable of high quality audio, it's called "digital recording". There are only two instances that I can think of where "high power" would make any difference what-so-ever:

1) Real-time MIDI instrumentation that can be changed on the fly. Building interactive midi music is not a processing nightmare, but playing back good quality samples IS. Still, very few game developers have had any interest in this. In fact, the only one recently is Zelda, which has music that transitions into other themes depending on the gameplay circumstances... that's not possible with acoustic recordings. This is the only place where midi has an advantage over pre-recorded audio. There's really no reason to use a low powered software synth on a game system, when your audio engineers and composer have $40,000 setups with banks of K2600s and GigaStudio samples. Might as well just record those (or an orchestra, if you can afford it). No matter how powerful the PS3 is, it's not going to compare to the quality of Hans Zimmer's 50 networked render boxes with individually sampled GigaSample instruments.

2) Mesh-traced audio: this is the audio equivelent of ray-tracing. Mesh-tracing creates a series of virtual soundwave vectors that change when intersecting polygons with different absorbtion and reflective properties. This creates the sound of an envirnmental space, and the audio sources within it without "faking" reverb with pre-written digital algorythms. It also positions audio properly in 3d space. That said, I've seen zero interest in perfecting spacial audio within the mainstream video game industry. Most people think that the current psycho-acoustic tricks that are used are "good enough". And to be honest, I'd rather see more concentration on really good composition, sound design, and clean production, then delving into advanced environmental synthesis.

Re:"Audio realism" isn't neccessary... (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320892)

In fact, the only one recently is Zelda, which has music that transitions into other themes depending on the gameplay circumstances... that's not possible with acoustic recordings.
It is possible to do this without a MIDI-like setup. Some games that come to mind: Escape From Monkey Island and Phantasy Star Online. Both used prerecorded digital audio tracks but were able to make transitions in the music depending on the situation. It might be more difficult if you want to record a live performance and still have transitions, but I'm sure it's possible.

Re:Drought now or drought later (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320730)

Can't agree with you on that, just look at DS compared to PSP.

Look at NfS:Most Wanted, Tomb Raider or Burnout on the DS and tell me that those are not the perfect definition of making a quick buck with a crappy port. Those games are however only the tip of the iceberg, the DS has tons a bad games, in fact a lot more bad ones then the PSP, even so the DS has fewer games in total. Don't believe it? Just look at the ratings [seul.org]

There really aren't that much original games on the DS, lots of it are ports or sequels (Mario64, Advance Wars, Mario&Luigi, YoshiIsland2, Sonic, WarioWare, Final Fantasy), old franchises with new (worse) controls (Starfox, Metroid) or simply plain junk (to many to list). What sells the DS are in large part those 'non-games' BrainAge, Nintendogs and friends, most of those are first-party games by Nintendo. The PSP of course isn't without fault either, quite the oposite it gets far far to many PS2 games and far to little original ones, but that really just proves the point, if publishers see a way to make an easy buck, they will try doing so as hard as they can.

Overall I consider both DS and PSP a failures, hardware wise both do a good job at what they do, but in terms of games both are a huge disappointment, far away from the good old days of the SNES when there where a ton of original and good games created. On both the DS and the PSP I have a hard time finding anything interesting, since there simply is to little original and good stuff around (i.e. stuff like Yoshi Touch & Go is original, but simply not any good in the long run).

I don't see much change with that on the Wii, just like on the PSP and DS the developers can easily recycle a lot of old stuff. Why develop something new if the old stuff still sells enough? Even Nintendo is riding the sequel wave Mario, Zelda and Co. are all good and fine, but where is the Wii killer-game that goes beyond being a nice little Wiimote tech-demo?

Re:Drought now or drought later (1)

arodland (127775) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321174)

A few million more people than had an HDTV in their home last year, it would seem... including myself and a good few people I know. They're finally hitting that point.

Re:Drought now or drought later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17319608)

The problem is that the Wii launch, constitutes almost the entire production from Nintendo game studios over the last couple years, cause they sure weren't making Gamecube games.

Well, of the nearly 20 games at launch (in North America) 3 games were made by Nintendo (Wii Sports, Zelda, Excite Truck) Japan got Wario Ware Smooth Moves, Hajimete no Wii, Wii Play and Pokemon Battle Revolution as well as Wii Sports and Zelda; if Nintendo is nearing completion on some of Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Project Hammer, Disaster Day of Crisis, Forever Blue, and Animal Crossing and finishes localization on other (already released) games their line-up should be pretty good until Metroid, Mario and Super Smash Bros. get released.

Re:Drought now or drought later (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319886)

Japan got Wario Ware Smooth Moves, Hajimete no Wii, Wii Play and Pokemon Battle Revolution as well as Wii Sports and Zelda

Hajimete no Wii is the Japanese name for Wii Play. You exaggerate slightly.

Now, if I might ask when we can expect Excite Truck in Europe? I want, and I want bad. I will want much worse once I finish Zelda.

Re:Drought now or drought later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17319922)

I did not realize that it was the same game, I read several websites that cover Japaneese gaming and have seen it both ways...

Re:Drought now or drought later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17320188)

I played Excite Truck at an ebGames. It's just awful. You really don't want it.

Re:Drought now or drought later (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320688)

Now, if I might ask when we can expect Excite Truck in Europe?
Europe: Feb 16
Australia: Feb 22

Re: Excite truck in Europe (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321538)

Now, if I might ask when we can expect Excite Truck in Europe? I want, and I want bad. I will want much worse once I finish Zelda.

I think it was IGN UK that said Feb, 2007.

Re:Drought now or drought later (3, Insightful)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320494)

Actually, so far, I'd say you're precisely wrong; this is the one platform offering any real chance to do something different, rather than just the same with more polygons.

Re:Drought now or drought later (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320850)

The problem is that the Wii launch, constitutes almost the entire production from Nintendo game studios over the last couple years

Definitely true.....if you conveniently forget about the DS and the MANY great games that were made for it over the last 2 years.

Re:Drought now or drought later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17321770)

I'm going to get myself some negative reactions, but I've got to find out if others are having the same thoughts. I know a few people who deny these issues exist, but I also know these same people have a fairly herd-like mentality and tend to view the current popular item through rose coloured glasses.

Has anyone else noticed that the controller (in current games) is less about the six degrees of freedom promised, and more about sensing more or less any kind of motion at all? I've had my baseball bat swing forward when I moved my arm back to start swinging, and I've had my tennis racket swing for no more than a sudden jolt of the controller. Zelda has a similar issue, where they've simply replaced "press a button" with "shake one of the controllers". My expectations for the controller have really not been met at all. My hope is that this is because developers are trying to squash bugs caused by testers with poor coordination, and that we really will see a decent, say, lightsaber game come out soon. Until then, I'm not really seeing that Zelda on the Wii has anything to offer over the gamecube version.

Yes, I adjusted the sensitivity, it still doesn't change the fact that many games treat a significant move in any direction as "the action". Can anyone recommend games that actually show the controller's potential?

horses (2, Insightful)

headonfire (160408) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319406)

The answer is Zelda, Metroid and Mario.



You mean the answer is flogging dead horses by using the same franchises over and over again. Not that I don't love me some Zelda, Metroid or Mario action, as most games in the franchises are excellent; but I'd like to see something else move into Nintendo territory. Please, for the love of god. Give us some fresh meat. Hardware-wise, we're in a new realm, and it's been fantastic. The DS, the Wii, both great. Now let's try some new characters, shall we? Mario doesn't have to retire, just, let him take a short vacation, and focus some of that Mario energy into a new project, a new product, that's gonna make us scream.

Re:horses (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319484)

How about Disaster Day of Crisis, Project Hammer, and Forever Blue? The fact is that Nintendo is always producing new genres/franchises ... the reason people don't realize this is that none of these games get the press that a new Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid or Mario game will get.

Re:horses (1)

wilgibson (933961) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319540)

Mow is Metroid "flogging a dead horse"? There have only been 9 games in the series over the course of 20 years(that's counting the DS pinball game). Seriously, bring on the Metroid games. I want to finally finish the Prime storyline!

Re:horses (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319612)

Please, for the love of god. Give us some fresh meat.

Of course I'd like that, though I'll never besmirch Nintendo for giving me an excellent Mario or Metroid game.

Personally I'd love to see a Wii Pikmin game.

Or anything that comes out of Miyamoto's head.

Re:horses (4, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319866)

You mean the answer is flogging dead horses by using the same franchises over and over again.

These horses are far from dead.

The last Zelda and Mario games that came out, I bought both of 'em on launch day. New SMB I finished in a weekend, though it took me a long while to find every level and get the three-star save file. Twilight Princess - well, I'm at just over 30 hours since the UK launch on December 8th, and I just completed the Snowpeak quest. Died twice early on, only once been seriously threatened since then.

These games have been fairly easy, because I'm extremely good at them. For this I have to thank some 20 years of experience. But they're both of them excellent games, at least as good as anything else you'll find on the shelves. My experience of their forebears means I pick up the new game much more quickly, but it doesn't make it any less a great game.

A new Zelda or Mario isn't like a new Madden or even a new Championship Manager. It's not just a reissue of the same basic game with prettier graphics. It's the same underlying mechanism, sure, and with recurring characters, but it's always a new world to explore.

Re:horses (1)

jensen404 (717086) | more than 7 years ago | (#17320854)

Mario tried to go on a short vacation, in Super Mario Sunshine, but an impersonator framed him, and he had to clean up the mess. I prefer Mario to be in the Mushroom Kingdom. But they are changing up the formula some... I've never played a platform game that uses a pointing device and an analog stick at the same time. (Mario Galaxy)

Re:horses (3, Insightful)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321026)

Please, for the love of god. Give us some fresh meat.

Have you tried Animal Crossing or Pikmin? Those are both relatively fresh (2 titles each) and both incredibly fun. With Animal Crossing, I can see how it definitely has limited appeal for many gamers, but I think Pikmin could be great for almost anyone.

No drought (1)

richman555 (675100) | more than 7 years ago | (#17319498)

There will be no drought this time as was the case with the Gamecube. Reggie has said all along, that in his opinion the drought of games after the launch of the Gamecube is what killed it. I highly doubt Nintendo would make that same mistake again. If anything, there is almost too much that will be coming out in 2007 which is why you might see some of the bigger titles pushed into the 4th quarter (possibly to counter Halo 3 or whatever Sony has out at that time).

Two Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17320548)

Mario Kart!

Google "drought" count (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17320924)

From TFA:
Substitute games for wine, and he could well have been speaking of Nintendo, whose previous consoles have notoriously gone months between significant first-party games. (Google "Nintendo drought" and you'll get more than 190,000 results.)

I did this. I also did a few other searches.

Nintendo drought: 186,000
Sony drought: 328,000
Microsoft drought: 880,000

Oh, he might just have been talking about GameCube. Then:

GameCube drought: 59,300
PlayStation drought: 132,000
Xbox drought: 156,000

What have we learned? Hopefully, NOTHING, since quoting useless, random Google search terms is something we should already know to be a stupid way to emphasize a point.

(The numbers definitely change significantly when you use quotes, but somehow the sentence, "Google `Nintendo drought' and you'll get more than 50 results," doesn't quite have the same idiot-impressing tone to it.)

For the love of Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17321126)

I am so sold !!! I have owned my Wii since launch day and I am cradling it like a baby.....

I think that we aren't going to see a drought to be honest. You may have those crappy titles and so forth (Far Cry:V DAmn you UBIsoft!!!) but still ssb is slated for next year near the beginning of the year! Hell it's the first time that I am excited about any console in a long time!

Here is my theory.....and please google it if you don't believe me.
A) Developers have been sitting on their hands waiting to develop for this system. But EA has a whole slew of titles and so does Ubisoft. Then you have take-two which is seriously looking at the Wii.

B)Sales, sales, sales. The amount of sales that the wii is doing right is quite well despite the fact that the system doesn't have the horsepower of the PS3 or the 360. Now what does that tell you people? When Nintendo makes money and is successful then third parties will be as well.

C) Sure we may have bad ports in some of the games, but just wait with many of the publishers taking a look at the PS3 and figuring that they may not hit a target market (or any market for that matter.) then you will see that alot of them will focus their development on the 360 and the Wii.

The system has alot of potential. Besides if you are like me and beat the hell out of Zelda... then you are going to go back and look at the Gamecube library or play the copies of Trauma Center and Red Steel that you foolishly bought.

The other thing that I think people tend to forget is that we also have this thing were we can buy many of the greatest games ever made and they come out every monday. Think you have quite a few final fantasies to play in their original formats, Zeldas, Marios, so on and so forth. Also there are alot of people coming out with their own homebrew flash games for the browser which will be a beta in just a couple of days.

Don't give me that tired crap about 'another Mario', another Zelda, it's crap those games are the ones that blazed the trail so you could play gears of war, god of war, what have you.

Bankai! (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#17321224)

If Sega implemented it right the Wii Bleach game could be a lot of fun. It's supposed to be released in Japan real soon. The question is whether they made proper use of the Wii controller. Then there's the issue of whether Sega will sell it in the US and how long will it take to localize it. Still, it would be nice to see a two player (mostly) sword fighting game for the Wii.
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