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Three Takers Named for Microsoft's Linux Support

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the step-right-up dept.

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narramissic writes "According to an article on ITworld, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank AG, and AIG Technologies have signed on for Microsoft's technical support for Novell Inc.'s Suse Enterprise Linux. This follows last month's announcement of a deal between Novell and Microsoft that Steve Ballmer described as an effort to 'bridge the divide between open-source and proprietary-source software.' None of the companies cited the price of the support certificates, nor would they say how many they were activating. Even more interesting, Credit Suisse is a brand new cusomter for Novell."

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first post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17330148)

First post bitches!

Re:first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17330356)

Merry Christmas, Fucker.

itsatrap (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17330204)

Where is the "itsatrap" tag?!?

Re:itsatrap (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330444)

embracextendextinguish seems more appropriate. Weird feelings aside, it's clear Microsoft wants to associate itself with the idea of linux and Open source stacks. Otherwise they would have done the sensible thing: having Novell customers contact specialized Novell support.

This is like having a Mercedes and have it serviced by BMW.

Re:itsatrap (5, Funny)

Intron (870560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330596)

This is like having a Mercedes and have it serviced by Kia.

Re:itsatrap (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17331002)

This is like getting a Ford and not having it found on the road dead.

Re:itsatrap (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331030)

Thank you, pal. Now that I fully realize the imperfection of my metaphor, I humbly rephrase it as: "This is like owning a Mercedes and have it serviced by a car rentals company who lends vehicles featuring the chassis of an armoured BMW and the engine of a kia 1.1 and assists its stranded motorists for hefty additional fees".

Re:itsatrap (2, Funny)

npsimons (32752) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331694)

This is like having a Mercedes and have it serviced by Kia.

Naw, I like Neal Stephenson's analogy [cryptonomicon.com] , because then it would be like having an M1 tank, made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other, that's been modified in such a way that it never, ever breaks down, is light and maneuverable enough to use on ordinary streets, and uses no more fuel than a subcompact car, and taking it to a station wagon car company to have it serviced.


Re:itsatrap (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332230)

Sadly, Mercedes has had, in the last few years, an abysmal customer support.
I don't kow about Kia, but in all likelyhood, they should be better than Mercedes, who were rated 10th from the bottom according to Top Gear, in 2005!

Re:itsatrap (1)

webbod (1032868) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332976)

Woah! - I'd always thought Linux was cheap - but if you're saying that it requires the Mercedes of support contracts then I better go jack up our support budget.

And so it begins. (5, Insightful)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330206)

Ballmer: "Buy my service or you're open to liability."

Customer: "Please don't hurt me."

Ballmer: "These are some lovely client server apps you have here, it would be a shame if something were to.. happen to them..."

Customer: "Okay.. okay, I'll pay.... I'll pay" [quiet weeping].

-GiH

Re:And so it begins. (4, Funny)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330632)


So when is /. going to replace the SuSE icon with a stylised thirty pieces of silver?

Thirty pieces of silver... (2, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330806)

So when is /. going to replace the SuSE icon with a stylised thirty pieces of silver?

Never, we are way to scientifically mindied here to resort to Biblical symbolism. However we are quite mean enough to, say.... superimpose a portrait of Vidkun Quisling [wikipedia.org] over the Novell logo.... Mwuhahahahahahahahaha!

Re:And so it begins. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332642)

So when is /. going to replace the SuSE icon with a stylised thirty pieces of silver?


Someone should just take the Novel "N" and GIMP on a copy of Bill's borg headgear.

Re:And so it begins. (2, Interesting)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330988)

Deutsche Bank AG I believe is one of the people who said SCO's stock price would go to $45 a share.

there would of been no arm twisting there.

Re:And so it begins. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332792)

DB is a huge SuSE shop. They, for example, have MQ servers running on a few SuSE boxes.

Re:And so it begins. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17331388)

Ballmer: "Billy, I'm not sure they understand fully... pass me the chair."

Bridging The Divide (2, Insightful)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332012)

As far as "bridging the divide between open-source and proprietary-source software" is concerned, Ballmer doesn't seem to grasp that the basic concept of open vs. closed. His so-called "divide" isn't something that can just be patched up like so many Microsoft products. The only way to "bridge" the difference between open and closed is with a hinge.

So which way does Ballmer expect to bridge this door?

Re:And so it begins. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17333004)

and so /. has no clue again

it's not microsoft supporting linux you idiot - it's them giving a coupon for Novell support. What idiot would want MS support for anything?

Re:And so it begins. (2, Informative)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#17333074)

Ballmer: "Buy my service or you're open to liability."

I thought the whole point of the deal was that people need to buy SUSE or else they're open to liability.

Seriously though, spiritual violations of the GPL aside, if I was an IT department using both Linux and Microsoft products it would seem to make sense to use SUSE since Microsoft and Novell work together.

Microsoft providing Linux Support? (5, Funny)

n6kuy (172098) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330242)

It's a cookbook!

Re:Microsoft providing Linux Support? (2, Funny)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332658)

It's wonderful to hang out at slashdot. Where else would people get this joke?

Let the blind Microsoft bashing begin (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17330250)

It's not Microsoft's fault if these companies choose to pay for support they don't actually need.

Re:Let the blind Microsoft bashing begin (2, Insightful)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330892)

Blind bashing? In this case, I don't think so.

To use another bogeyman to illustrate it... this is like Sony "offering" to "service" Xbox 360s, or something.

I've already seen some other analogies put forth, and I find this is one case where they are friggin' hilarious, and appropriate :)

Re:Let the blind Microsoft bashing begin (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#17333102)

To use another bogeyman to illustrate it... this is like Sony "offering" to "service" Xbox 360s, or something.

It's more like Sony offering gift certificates to get free support on your Xbox 360 from Microsoft support. FTFA Microsoft agreed to distribute "subscription certificates," each one entitling customers to technical support from Novell for a server running Suse Enterprise Linux - Microsoft isn't actually doing the SUSE support here (I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know how).

Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (5, Insightful)

Teckla (630646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330996)

It's not Microsoft's fault if these companies choose to pay for support they don't actually need.

What?! Microsoft's CEO basically threatens companies that use Linux, and Microsoft isn't at fault?!

And I suppose if Guido says, "Bad things might happen to your family, Mr. Anonymous Coward, unless you pay me some 'protection' money...", then it isn't Guido's fault if you pay him for protection you don't actually need???

And you got modded Insightful! Unbelievable!

I, for one, am getting pretty tired of people whining that Microsoft gets unfairly bashed here on Slashdot too often. I regularly read plenty of responses that defend Microsoft that get modded +5 Insightful.

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (2, Interesting)

nadamsieee (708934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331282)

I, for one, am getting pretty tired of people whining that Microsoft gets unfairly bashed here on Slashdot too often. I regularly read plenty of responses that defend Microsoft that get modded +5 Insightful.
Its called astroturfing [wikipedia.org] . The truth hurts, but that doesn't mean that the MS fanboys and the MS marketing department are going to take it laying down...

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331484)


Well that's a good thing because if someone is set upon by biased propoganda out in the wild, then they may not be ready for it. But here you get to see the fresh propoganda put out all ready to be devoured by those who can see its weaknesses. The net effect is that the astroturfers set up a series of strawmen against themselves! And if there's the odd occasion when it isn't a strawman, then it's right that it shouldn't get knocked down. But on the whole, astroturfers act like a vaccine against FUD.

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17331812)

"I, for one, am getting pretty tired of people whining that Microsoft gets unfairly bashed here on Slashdot too often."

Welcome to asstroturf-land! What took you so long to get the Word?

This is why I barely come here, ignore my account, and only drop the odd comment as an AC. Until social sites take a stand against paid commenters hired to steer the public's opinion towards corporation's and political parties' favor, the whole comment system will continue to be a sham. Not to mention the story submission system.

Not to mention the gullible fools who fall for this outrageous bullshit! Just like with spam, they keep doing it because someone is still stupid enough to fall for it.

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (1)

cab15625 (710956) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332262)

One of the nice things about being a sociopath (or a sociopathic corporation) is that you don't have to care when your accusers are right and you can get away with whining about other people picking on you. I suppose technically, that's two nice things.

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (1)

kjart (941720) | more than 7 years ago | (#17333122)

What?! Microsoft's CEO basically threatens companies that use Linux, and Microsoft isn't at fault?!

And I suppose if Guido says, "Bad things might happen to your family, Mr. Anonymous Coward, unless you pay me some 'protection' money...", then it isn't Guido's fault if you pay him for protection you don't actually need???

At fault for what? Making very generalized threats towards people running versions of Linux other than SUSE? This protection money you're talking about is for support contracts from Novell, which Microsoft purchased from Novell themselves.

FTFA Customers have already activated 16,000 of the certificates in the seven weeks they have been offered - I wonder how many support contracts Novell normally sells in a 7 week period. I'd be willing to wager it's usually less than 16k. Community respect issues aside, this actually seems good for Novell.

Re:Blind MS bashing?! Are you kidding?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17333218)

Indeed... they should instead be modded "-1 Kick this guy in the nuts"

In other news... (2, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331172)

...Joe "the Butcher" Provoloni said "it's not our fault if those guys paid for protection they don't actually need".

Great. (4, Funny)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330286)

Now Novell will have to introduce random behaving bugs in his packages lest the microsoft support guys feel disoriented.

Re:Great. (1)

jascat (602034) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332518)

Now Novell will have to introduce random behaving bugs in his packages lest the microsoft support guys feel disoriented.
You haven't used SUSE recently, have you? If that is the measure of them feeling comfortable, they should feel right at home.

Can you imagine? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330296)

Working the Suse helldesk for Microsoft...
<full body shudder>
I'd feel like I'd been shot down behind enemy lines. Or maybe more like a galley slave.

Re:Can you imagine? (4, Insightful)

mandelbr0t (1015855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330762)

Working the SuSE helpdesk wouldn't be as bad as you think. #1 call is going to be "I need to share these files from my Linux server to my Windows 2k/XP desktop." Microsoft will be motivated to make this happen (I've had some strange problems with this in the past). They really don't want the helpdesk response to be "Sorry, but Microsoft hasn't released that patch yet." They can blame Samba, sure, but then Microsoft looks stupid for associating with a product they won't stand behind. From an Interoperability standpoint, it seems that Microsoft is playing ball.

I think the only real problem here was the deliberate attempt to undermine the GPL. In the end, though, the effect is not as bad as we think. GPLv3 plugs the loophole, a Linux vendor gets a ton of cash from Microsoft, and life goes on. I don't like Novell getting in bed with Microsoft, but it's not like they had a whole lot of choice. $400 million is a lot to turn down on the basis of "principles", "morals" or "ethics". The important thing is that the timing of the announcement allowed the GPL to be developed to prevent any further deals of this nature to be made.

mandelbr0t

Re:Can you imagine? (2, Insightful)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330824)

next stop - Microsoft binary Linux drivers for Suse - $799

Re:Can you imagine? (1)

bubbl07 (777082) | more than 7 years ago | (#17333108)

There's a kick to the face that totally caught me off-guard (my apologies for the redundancy, but I believe it was necessary).
 
If I had modpoints, you'd get +1 insightful.

and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (2, Insightful)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330338)

So...this deal is bad for Novell how??

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6962961128.html [linux-watch.com]

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (1)

Intron (870560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330630)

It isn't. They got their thirty pieces of silver.

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (4, Insightful)

nadamsieee (708934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331164)

It isn't. They got their thirty pieces of silver.
They may have gotten paid (short term gain), but Novell has lost their way with the community that feeds them in the process [groklaw.net] (long term loss).

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331926)

They may have gotten paid (short term gain), but Novell has lost their way with the community that feeds them in the process (long term loss)

The community that sustains Microsoft and Novell is Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank AG, and AIG Technologies.

When clients like these sign on to the program, the Geek becomes expendable.

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (3, Informative)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332328)

It's easy enough to say that, but Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank AG, and AIG Technologies are not likely to be very happy when the next version of Samba rolls out and they can't use it because it is licensed under version 3 of the GPL and Novell can't distribute GPLv3 apps and still maintain its deal with Microsoft.

Novell has a vested interest in keeping the Free Software community happy because there is no way that Novell can compete if it has to maintain its own forks of popular Free Software projects. Novell is having enough trouble trying to convince customers that a migration from Netware to SuSE Linux makes more sense than a migration from Netware to Windows. The last thing Novell needs is this sort of drama.

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332644)

It's easy enough to say that, but Credit Suisse [is] not likely to be very happy when the next version of Samba rolls out and they can't use it because it is licensed under version 3 of the GPL and Novell can't distribute GPLv3 apps and still maintain its deal with Microsoft.

Does Credit Suisse need Samba more than Samba needs Credit Suisse?

Samba not only provides file and print services for various Microsoft Windows clients but can also integrate with a Windows Server domain, either as a Primary Domain Controller (PDC) or as a Domain Member. It can also be part of an Active Directory domain. Samba (software) [wikipedia.org]

It certainly doesn't sound like an insurmountable problem for Microsoft to provide a credible alternative. For distribution under a license that just might be an easier sell in the enterprise market than GPLv3.

Re:and Hubert Mantel rejoins Novell (1)

Stalyn (662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332820)

It's easy enough to say that, but Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank AG, and AIG Technologies are not likely to be very happy when the next version of Samba rolls out and they can't use it because it is licensed under version 3 of the GPL and Novell can't distribute GPLv3 apps and still maintain its deal with Microsoft.

You sure about this in that GPLv3 will include retroactive clauses? My impression from Eben Moglen's comments is that GPLv3 will try to prevent these types of deals in the future but not ones in the past.

However let's assume Eben Moglen meant a retroactive clause, there is nothing stopping Novell/MS from tweaking their deal to fit into GPLv3 parameters. The Novell/MS lawyers were smart enough to sidestep GPLv2 and from their current posture it looks like they could do the same with GPLv3.

It's not because of M$, RE: Hubert Mantel rejoins (1)

Erris (531066) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332020)

So...this deal is bad for Novell how?? [points to the return of Mantel]

Mantel has NOTHING to do with the M$ deal, despite the following spin:

Indeed, Mantel approves of the partnership. "I think it is a good thing especially for the users. If you think some years back, Linux was not taken seriously. Now even Microsoft acknowledges that it exists and will not go away,"

I'm not sure they should say he approves of the partnership, so much as he's happy M$ has acknowledged the existence of free software and might drop some of it's FUD. He's wrong about that, M$ still claims free software is impractical. The legal FUD is going on as strong as ever as is the "Get the Facts" nonsense.

The article was clear, I think, about his reasons for going back and they have nothing to do with the evil deal he's trying to ignore.

Mantel explained that he had left Novell because, "Basically I just was burned out. " Mantel explained that he had come back because, "I had more than one year of time to think about my future and came to the conclusion that the thing I'm most interested in still is Linux. Also I do have many good friends at SuSE and I really like to work with and for Linux."

He missed his friends and wanted a job working with Linux.

Others have adequately explained why the deal is bad news.

Why? - Credit Suisse in particular (3, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330368)

Since Credit Suisse is a new Novell customer, you'd think that Novell would have tried to sell them their own suppport.


What am I missing?

Re:Why? - Credit Suisse in particular (2, Funny)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330522)

What your missing is that this is even better. MS sold them Novells support.

I'll indulge in pure speculation. (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330546)

Since Credit Suisse is a new Novell customer, you'd think that Novell would have tried to sell them their own suppport.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But suppose Microsoft was offering those licenses on a "free" evaluation basis? Note that no one is talking about how many licenses Credit Suisse activated. Even one person trying one "free" license just to see how it worked would meet the criteria identified in that story.

On the other hand, Novell's marketing efforts in the past have sucked beyond belief. It would be most amusing if a free give-away from Microsoft represented more effort than Novell had previously put into marketing.

Re:Why? - Credit Suisse in particular (2, Interesting)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330588)


You're not missing anything based on the evidence available to us. The conclusion is that there's something behind the scenes. It makes me wonder what sort of deals are being made between Microsoft and the directors at Novell.

Re:Why? - Credit Suisse in particular (4, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330620)

Since Credit Suisse is a new Novell customer, you'd think that Novell would have tried to sell them their own suppport. What am I missing?

According to Matt Asay over at InfoWorld, [infoworld.com] this story is incorrect, or at best exaggerated. He says he has it on authority that all the companies mentioned in the story had been using both Suse and Red Hat for some time.

Re:Why? - Credit Suisse in particular (2, Interesting)

MadMorf (118601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331312)

We have a big Credit Suisse data center based locally and they have been using Novell products all along...

Wonder where they got their information?

Why? (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331504)

Why would they? Why would they want two different support deals, each one supporting just their own products, or potentially, one support deal, to support their whole system, and the integration. I think that's a no-brainer. Heck, I don't know why anybody would pay for Novell support at this point.

Those swiss banks really have no scruples (-1, Flamebait)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330378)

First doing business with Nazi, now supporting a tasteless deal. Shame!

Re:Those swiss banks really have no scruples (1)

GodInHell (258915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331218)

You have committed a debating foul. Penalized one "all of your credibility" for "Nazi reference."

Acting agent would like to inform you that your comment was amusing - if foul.

-GiH

Re:Those swiss banks really have no scruples (1)

KillerCow (213458) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331576)

First doing business with Nazi, now supporting a tasteless deal. Shame!
/Godwin

You lose.

What's so intresting ? (2, Insightful)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330382)

Even more interesting, Credit Suisse is a brand new customer for Novell.

What's so intresting about that ?
It's not like Microsoft would start companies to make it look like people are actually supporting this thing.

Re:What's so intresting ? (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330842)

What are you implying, that Microsoft traveled 150 years back in time to found Credit Suisse, including its $1,174,731,000,000 in assets, just to shill for Novell?

Re:What's so intresting ? (1)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17333060)

What's interesting is that through the MS deal, Novell picked up a new customer. That's one less customer for Novell's competitors (i.e. Red Hat).

A sales company (1)

hey (83763) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330388)

We always know Microsoft was good at selling bad stuff but this takes the cake.
Why, oh way would you buy Linux support from Microsoft!

Re:A sales company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332254)

>>> Why, oh way would you buy Linux support from Microsoft!

Because you're going to pay outrageous fees for support on your proprietary UNIX
solution only to have your support calls vectored to south-central Asia, you might
as well as go with a known entity that you know how to deal with (and have enough
leverage/clout to have your complaints resolved)

IIRC, all 3 of these outfits were high-profile Digital UNIX/Tru64 UNIX customers
at one point in time.

"Support" (4, Interesting)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330416)

The word "support" is so overused. What exactly does support mean these days anyway? Patches that don't work? Phone calls to someone out of the country that doesn't speak your language natively and has never actually used the program in a production environment? Hold times of 45 minutes? Security updates that break other parts?

Honestly, the word "support" to me has almost no meaning anymore. It's been thrown out there so many times as the deciding factor in a purchase, however I've yet to see really useful support. I've dealt with companies big and small and have never resolved a difficult issue in less than an hour with their supplied support.

All I care about anymore is whether they give you the proper tools to solve the problem yourself. Proper documentation and the source code (yes, smaller companies will give you source code if you are big enough and that's the deal breaker). I'll take that over a level I phone jockey any day!

Re:"Support" (1)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330486)

"Support" for these types of companies is not a level 1 phone jockey. They will likely have dedicated support engineers on site. At the very least they will have a person reponsible for managing support issues.

Re:"Support" (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331454)

No joke.

I recently had a problem on my Windows machine where it didn't want to keep my profile when I joined the new domain at work. Since all my user settings were in there, I needed to copy my settings over from my old profile. We're talking, it would take me a couple weeks to get everything set back up and I had a deadline. This used to be easy on 2000 but on XP they have really made it difficult. I spent 6 hours talking to various levels of support in India.

Finally, they agreed to call me back the next morning. When their callback was late, I started looking at the problem a little more intently (based on a single statement made during the 6-hour phone call). I finally fixed the problem in about 10 minutes. When they called, they asked me if I could tell them the solution I used. I jokingly told them that it would cost them $29.95, but I told them anyway. He ended up giving me the free book of my choice from Microsoft Press ($59.95) and not charging me for the phone call because I fixed it myself.

I guess you could call that good support, but I did end up fixing the problem myself. I'm just mad I didn't think of the solution right away and save the 6 hours.

Re:"Support" (2, Interesting)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332152)

The word "support" is so overused. What exactly does support mean these days anyway? Patches that don't work? Phone calls to someone out of the country that doesn't speak your language natively and has never actually used the program in a production environment? Hold times of 45 minutes? Security updates that break other parts?

None of that. It means "paid scapegoat", i.e. job security for IT professionals who, instead of getting fired for the inevitable IT problems, can shift the blame for those onto the company providing the "support".

Masochists. (4, Funny)

Bandman (86149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330426)

Yes, because Microsoft's Windows support is such a sterling example of quality, I can see where companies would have to be literally fended off with dead chickens from taking this deal.

Hooray! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17330430)

Only a few days and 08/15-users will stop using Linux and bothering me (us) to fuck it (linux) up by making it "Ready for the Desktop".

Windows is ready for the Desktop. A operating system for people who are afraid of their brain (or what's left of it).

Linux is made for People who love, eat and breath Computers. Who work with Computers. Who are even more passionate than the average CS student (those who hardly can write code and therefore do consulting till the end of time).

As soon as Linux loses the "Ready for the Desktop" bullshit. We can trash sick crap like hal or automounter xyz who do more wrong than right and have our Geek system back from the big-buzzword-mouths.

Thank you Mr. Ballmer

No matter what FUD you spread. We have only 08/15-users to lose. Take them!

Re:Hooray! (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330540)

So in other words, if I understand you well: Linux users are the elite of the humanity. The creme de la creme of the intelectuality. Oh, OK then. Next patient!

Re:Hooray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332214)

Someone did not take his meds today...

BAD Headline... (5, Informative)

LDAPMAN (930041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330570)

MS is not providing them Linux support. The sold them Novells support program.

SUSE in Europe (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330882)

Even though I am using Debian, SUSE Linux distribution is a very good one, and dominant, I believe, in Europe. Not surprised that the CS and DB signed up. I just wonder how the whole Novell/MS deal will pan out for Novell, MS, and GPL/Linux camps at large...

MS eating Novell's Lunch (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331022)

Btw, it appears the Linux business is based on support revenue, whereas Windows business is based on licensing fee revenue. If SUSE customers buy support from MS, Novell might as well turn out the lights and liquidate whatever assets they have.

If you can't beat 'em, make money off of 'em (2, Insightful)

svendog (896213) | more than 7 years ago | (#17330942)

What strikes me here is that Microsoft could potentially make more money selling "we won't sue you" certificates to [Novell] Linux users than the companies actually providing *real* support for said systems ...

Suse (1)

AlHunt (982887) | more than 7 years ago | (#17331156)

Great! Maybe Credit Suisse has a bunch of Toshiba laptops and THEY can pay MS to figure out why opensuse 10.2 crashes the shit out of my Toshiba laptop, when 10.1 ran like a swiss watch.

See? MS might just help the linux community

This FP for GNAA! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17331320)

FrreBSD used to for *BSD because

Those 3 companies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17331734)

Working for 1 of those 3, I can assure you that if they chose MS Linux support it's because it was the cheapest. That's solely based on all the other support options they've chosen for "support".

who gives a motherfuck? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332112)

linux is STILL for fags.

keep on sucking those dicks you dumb fucking faggots.

Knowing MS (1)

Snarfiorix (1001357) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332174)

They will outsource Linux support just like they did for their MS Professional and MS Premier support contracts for EMEA. Not necessarily a bad thing, considering customer satisfaction for their support started rating better as soon they outsourced it to HP. HP is already in the Linux market, they would be the potential bidders for doing their Linux support as well.

*Snort* (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17332502)

Microsoft's technical support for Novell Inc.'s Suse Enterprise Linux


My sides are splitting.

How hard would it be (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17332638)

for Microsoft to make Windows more compatible with Linux? Not very. Support _standard_ LDAP and webdav + NFS and remote X display and you'd be mostly there. Instead, Microsoft broke compatibility with most of these protocols/standards or ignored them. Seems ironic now that they are talking about interoperability.

Re:How hard would it be (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17333124)

Maybe MS wants to ensure that Windows runs on XEN someday.
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