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What's Hidden Under Greenland's Ice?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the in-his-house-at-r'lyeh-dead-cthulhu-waits-dreaming dept.

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Roland Piquepaille writes "Ice has covered Greenland for millions of years. So what's hidden under this ice cap? Mountains and valleys? Rivers and lakes? Of course, we might know it sooner than we would have liked if the ice covering Greenland continues to melt. But researchers from Ohio State University have decided that they wanted to know it next year and have developed a radar to reveal views of land beneath polar ice. Their first tests of this new radar, which helps them to catch 3-D images of the ground under the ice, took place in May 2006. The next images will be shot in April 2007. Here are some images of the new GISMO device and what it can do."

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Aliens! (3, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405130)

Lots of nasty body popping evil dog maiming spider infesting damned aliens.

Would you close the damned door so they don't get in.

Friday Night Execution! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405558)

Noteable former tyrant Saddam Hussein is to be executed by 10 pm Eastern Time.

You bastards finally got his head on a pike. You may be responsible for the deaths of thousands, but by God you put that fucker on ice. Bravo!

Re:Friday Night Execution! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405674)

We finally won. Now we can pull out.

If this had happened 6 months ago and we had brought back all the troops right away, we (Republicans) probably would have done a lot better on Nov 2.

At least Bush's legacy is now cemented for good.

Re:Friday Night Execution! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405736)

Snigger, snort, hahahaha, you are a dumbass.

Re:Friday Night Execution! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405882)

He was probably executed by a hooded Dick Chaney.

Maybe.... (1, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405598)

We should leave the aliens alone. Finding out what's in Greenland is surely far more important than pissing money into space to find out what's under Jupiter's/Mars's/etc surface.

Re:Aliens! (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405646)

Would you close the damned door so they don't get in.

That should work, worked for M. Night.

Re:Aliens! (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405658)

It'll be like killer belly button lint left over from creation. The devil wouldn't touch that stuff.

Just a guess.. (1)

shaneh0 (624603) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405778)

Just a Guess.. but maybe there is.. uh... green land under Greenlands ice caps?

Is that too easy?

Since this is a Roland P. Slashdot story (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405136)

I'd say that iPods are hidden underneath the ice and Roland's blog has much to say about it and he's getting $0.01 per page hit.

TDz.
(captcha is "decoys"...I love coincidences)

Re:Since this is a Roland P. Slashdot story (1)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405194)

Perhaps Roland Piquepaille is hidden underneath Greenland? And his posts to Slashdot are a hidden cry for help.

Or, perhaps the Ayles Ice Shelf, which snapped off the coast of Baffin Island has run off to hide underneath Greenland's ice sheet?

Re:Since this is a Roland P. Slashdot story (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405712)

Perhaps Greenland will send Roland some free ice-cubes... well it's not a laptop, but he can put them in his lap.

Steve Jobs' Options Evidence (1, Offtopic)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405512)

I'd say that iPods are hidden underneath the ice

I'd say that all the evidence of Steve Jobs' corporate cover up [ft.com] and the lack of reportage about it on geek sites. Apple: Another Enron? Well, maybe not, but at least another scum-bag at the top of a corporation.

Re:Since this is a Roland P. Slashdot story (1, Funny)

middlemen (765373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405750)

or since this is Slashdot, most of the people will not even bother reading the article thus reducing Roland's cash in totality...

Re:Since this is a Roland P. Slashdot story (4, Funny)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405868)

Well actually, this is probably where Atari buried all those "ET" game cartridges.

Totally required (5, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405138)

Jimmy Hoffa.

Re:Totally required p2 (0, Troll)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405274)

Whatever it is, I patented it first.

Re:Totally required p2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405622)

Don't be silly, It was obviously I who patented it first
*insert lawsuit here*

I thought everyone knew.. (5, Funny)

frieza79 (947618) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405140)

Lambeau Field

Re:I thought everyone knew.. (1)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405176)

FYI: (I had to google it), Lambeau Field is the home stadium of the NFL's Green Bay Packers.

Re:I thought everyone knew.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405784)

I had to google it

That's pretty sad. I suppose you're unfamiliar with how the Lombardi Trophy got its name, huh? Here's a hint: It has to do with the first team to ever win the Super Bowl.

Re:I thought everyone knew.. (1)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405780)

No, that isn't it. Lambeau isn't buried under ice -- it just seems that way. It's really just a "Frozen Tundra".

Underneath sovereign territory (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405156)

If it's oil, Greenland better brace for the invasion.

Re:Underneath sovereign territory (4, Funny)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405656)

It's a well known fact Greenland is not only harboring terrorists under the ice cap, but also developing nuclear weapons and other means of mass-destructions. They are also suspect of being major factors in the climate change.

They must be invaded so the threat can be neutralized.

Nice. Now if only... (2, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405166)

Now if only the ice were getting thinner in Greenland, we'd have something to worry about. Unfortunately for you global warming scaremongers, that isn't the case. It seems the ice has been getting thicker in Greenland [sciencemag.org] over the past decade or so.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405284)

And yet the same article you cite says the ice has been thinning in Greenland over the same time period. How is this possible? Did you leave something out?

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405296)

Now if only the article you quoted said what you said it said, we'd have nothing to worry about. Unfortunately for you, the abstract itself indicates that the growth is only in the "interior areas" over 1500m in altitude, the height of the remainder of the ice (below 1500m) has been going down 2cm/yr (+/- 0.9)

Try again, unless you want to argue over how big the interior is relative to the parts that are shrinking and whether or not the water melting off the edges is flowing back uphill to the "interior" to freeze there, or running off.

Even nicer... AC responses. (0, Troll)

MacDork (560499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405348)

Try again, unless you want to argue over how big the interior is relative to the parts that are shrinking

I don't have to argue. The information is provided in the article I linked to. It's very simple. The average thickness over the entirety of Greenland has increased 54 cm (21 inches) in a recent 11 year period. Is there anything else that you cowards would like to add?

Warmer air might mean more snow. (4, Interesting)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405534)

That doesn't really reassure me. Anyone who's lived in a particularly cold climate can tell you that precipitation increases as it gets warmer (given sufficiently cold temperatures), and tends to lessen as it gets very cold, due to the air's inability to hold as much moisture at lower temperatures; it could be that the increased depth of the ice pack in the interior is a direct result of increased snowfall due to warmer atmospheric conditions. That would be rather consistent with increased snowfall in the interior (hence deepening of the ice) and melting at the edges.

I don't know for sure if that's the case, but the fact that the ice depth is increasing in the interior doesn't necessarily refute climate change. It's certainly not an open-and-shut case.

Re:Even nicer... AC responses. (1)

Schemat1c (464768) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405642)

I don't have to argue. The information is provided in the article I linked to. It's very simple. The average thickness over the entirety of Greenland has increased 54 cm (21 inches) in a recent 11 year period. Is there anything else that you cowards would like to add?

There, fixed it for you.

Re:Even nicer... AC responses. (1)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405752)

Yes. See my previous reply [slashdot.org] to your original post.

Re:Even nicer... AC responses. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405806)

Yeah, I'd like to add that you're an obfuscating idiot with a dumb anti-science agenda.

Re:Even nicer... AC responses. (2, Informative)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405842)

First up nobody disputes there has been increased snowfall in Greenland's interior, in fact it was predicted by climate models.

Second, there have been more comprehensive and more recent studies from the GRACE sattelites [nasa.gov] , seen in the citation record at the bottom of your link. Also note in the GRACE mission statement that NASA purposfully designed the sattelites to measure the "exchanges between ice sheets or glaciers and the oceans".

Third, Johanessen et al. came to the best conclusion using the data they had, they just didn't have all the data available today [realclimate.org] .

Fourth, both the paper by Johanssen in your link and the more recent paper based on GRACE data from Rignot and Kanagaratnam [sciencemag.org] agree with the predictions of climate models that say the interior will build and the edges will melt.

Last of all, allthough the result of 54cm is "very simple", measuring a volume of ice the size of Greenland is not a simple task and the error bars in the studies reflect that difficulty. Johanessen is a genuine skeptic when it comes to the impact of AGW, however even he does not doubt it is happening, nor does he doubt our CO2 emmisions are to blame.

It's also an accepted scientific "fact" that Greenland and the Antartic peninsula are subject to a phenomena called "polar amplification" which has seen their regional average tempratures rise by 3 degrees, compared to the global average of 1 degree. Now tell me again about "global warming scare mongering" or are you just trolling for AC's?

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1)

RancidBeef (412397) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405310)

And it was a lot warmer in the distant past. From Wikipedia: "The fjords of the southern part of the island were lush and had a warmer climate at that time [c. 984], possibly due to what was called the Medieval Warm Period." I guess that warm period was caused by all those damn Vikings driving around in their SUVs.

Must have been beans... (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405470)

We all know that the previous hot periods were caused by Dinosaur farts (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNe ws/20061030/klein_quotes_061030/20061031/). The Greek philosopher Pythagoras advised against eating beans, so the the Medieval hot period must have been due to the Viking's inability to read Greek.

That's why they called it GREENland (2, Funny)

The Monster (227884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405484)

They didn't get too far from the coast, or they might have realized the error. You know the first rule of Medieval Warm Period Club? Don't talk about the Medievel Warm Period. The Global Warming people don't have an explanation for it (reverses the direction of the Hockey Stick), nor the fact that Mars has been warming up, so they want us to just... LOOK! Britney Spears' coochie!

Re:That's why they called it GREENland (2, Interesting)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405604)

The medieval warming period followed the so-called "mini-Ice Age" of the 12th century. During this period, the Black Forest in Europe shrunk to smaller than its current size - all due to people cutting down wood for fires. These fires significantly increased the carbon in the atmosphere. The planet warmed up as a result, slowly but at a sustained rate for over a century. The Black Forest later grew back and the carbon was taken out of the air.

Re:That's why they called it GREENland (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405694)

These fires significantly increased the carbon in the atmosphere. The planet warmed up as a result

      I'm having a bit of trouble swallowing this causal link here... there is no WAY burning even the entire black forest could cause such a pronounced and rapid change, sorry. Vulcanism has a far greater effect than what you propose, and we're not even sure if vulcanism is directly responsible.

Re:That's why they called it GREENland (1)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405766)

It wasn't pronounced, and it wasn't rapid - it was about 2 degrees average over a century. It just happened that was enough.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (2, Informative)

omicronish (750174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405338)

Now if only the ice were getting thinner in Greenland, we'd have something to worry about. Unfortunately for you global warming scaremongers, that isn't the case. It seems the ice has been getting thicker in Greenland [sciencemag.org] over the past decade or so.

Your link mentions a thickness increase in the interior only; there's a decrease on the margins. NASA says [nasa.gov] :

Greenland's low coastal regions lost 155 gigatons (41 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2003 and 2005 from excess melting and icebergs, while the high-elevation interior gained 54 gigatons (14 cubic miles) annually from excess snowfall.

Another study [nationalgeographic.com] and that NASA report points to an overall decrease in ice.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (0)

MacDork (560499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405462)

Your link mentions a thickness increase in the interior only; there's a decrease on the margins.

No. If you could read, you'd see that my article, published in Oct 2005, clearly states that there is an overall average thickening to the tune of 54 cm over an 11 year period.

Another study and that NASA report points to an overall decrease in ice.

An unpublished study according to the link you provide. Really, I'd love to see that study, but all you've provided is an article in National Geographic. Of course, we can all remember National Geographic led the global cooling [discover.com] craze in 1975. But now, I suppose, they are an authoritative source. Much moreso than a peer reviewed scientific journal...

Re:Nice. Now if only... (3, Informative)

omicronish (750174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405744)

An unpublished study according to the link you provide. Really, I'd love to see that study, but all you've provided is an article in National Geographic. Of course, we can all remember National Geographic led the global cooling craze in 1975. But now, I suppose, they are an authoritative source. Much moreso than a peer reviewed scientific journal...

You can read the paper here [utexas.edu] . It was published in Science [sciencemag.org] on August 10, 2006. Abstract:

Using time-variable gravity measurements from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellite mission, we estimate ice mass changes over Greenland during the period April 2002 to November 2005. After correcting for effects of spatial filtering and limited resolution of GRACE data, estimated total ice melting rate over Greenland is -239 ± 23 cubic kilometers per year, mostly from East Greenland. This estimate agrees remarkably well with a recent assessment of -224 ± 41 cubic kilometers per year, based on satellite radar interferometry data. GRACE estimates in southeast Greenland suggest accelerated melting since the summer of 2004, consistent with the latest remote sensing measurements.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405856)

Why are you even bothering? MacDork is obviously a MacMoron.

god, you are retarded (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405886)

you know, if you could read I might have some faith that people who think like you aren't completely retarded, but since you can't, y'awls are retarded, yo.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1)

ProjectMayhem (860928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405554)

Congratualations you can shill the line of the oil companies too! What your painfully informative abstract fails to point out is the causality of this ice sheet growth. I can tell that you enjoy challenging people's sources, so I found one that don't thnk you can argue with. . .
The survey documents for the first time extensive thinning of the West Antarctic ice shelves and an increase in snowfall in the interior of Greenland, as well as thinning at the edges. All are signs of a warming climate predicted by computer models.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/ice_s heets.html [nasa.gov] It's great and all that the interior glaciers are increasing in density, that is until you consider why that may be the driving reasons behind the phenomenon.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405698)

Yes. That explains why the Baltic sea hasn't frozen yet this year, they shipped all the ice to Greenland :)

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1)

middlemen (765373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405728)

Unfortunately for you global warming scaremongers,

"global warming scaremongers" !? Seriously! Maybe that is why atleast in the North-Eastern part of USA, we have had a wet Christmas instead of a white one.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (4, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405816)

Maybe that is why atleast in the North-Eastern part of USA, we have had a wet Christmas instead of a white one.


Having grown up in the Northeast I'd like to know when it is that we've ever had a white Christmas. In fact, a few years ago I read something about how contrary to the expectation that we should get snow on Christmas very few parts of the country actually see snow on a consistent basis for the holiday. I don't remember the percentage exactly, but it was quite high.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405730)

Oh my god ....

No idae where you get your source from or whre the source gets their data from .. greenland ice area has gone away over 30% last 15 years alone ...

Who the fuck cares if the rest is getting "thicker" ? Just loock on google maps or google for greenland ice retreat ..

angel'o'sphere

Re:Nice. Now if only... (4, Informative)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405742)

Sorry, but this was predicted by the models.

What happens is that warming causes ice near the edges to melt. This dumps cold freshwater into the water nearby, disrupting warmer ocean currents. It also increases humidity. Due to the disrupted ocean currents, the prevailing winds go inland, taking the humid air with it. This gets dumped as snow in the middle, causing the central ice dome to increase. A similar effect occurs in Antartica, where the central ice dome is about 4ks thick.

As shown in the link you provided, _below_ 1500m, the average change was a shrinking of 2cm (+- 0.9cm). Yes, the overall effect was to increase the thickness of the ice dome, but the dome is definitely getting more pronounced.

What the models predict next, however, is that as the slope of the dome gets more steeper, it gets unstable. You then get large stress fractures occurring, and huge slabs - say, about the size of New York State - break off and slide down to the ocean. Fun stuff.

Also, there's ice and there's ice. Old ice is very dense - it's been compressed over thousands or even millions of years, and contains more water by volume than the newer ice being laid down above. The main contributor to this is that the new ice has a lot of gas dissolved into it, or caught in bubbles. What this means is you can melt a million cubic meters of old glacial ice to get a bit less than a million cubic meters of water. However, the same volume of water (a bit less than a million cubic meters) falls as about 3 million cubic meters of snow inland, which gets packed down to about 1.5 million cubic meters of new ice. So, yes, the _volume_ of ice over Greenland is increasing, but the quantity of water in that ice is decreasing.

Here's an paper from the same March 2006 issue of Science [sciencemag.org] that describes the process.

Re:Nice. Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405852)

That study was done using satellites, which don't have the resolution to work very well along the edges of Greenland, where much of the decrease is being measured.

Since 1990, scientists at Wallops Flight Facility/NASA have been flying either a P-3 or twin otters over both many of the outlet glaciers and the interior of Greenland and using LIDAR to map the surface. The interior is indeed increasing, but the edges are decreasing very rapidly. More importantly, once the outlet glaciers are "unplugged", the rate of outflow will greatly increase.

Google searches for Robert Thomas, William Krabill, and Waleed Abdaliti should reveal papers on their research.

THE Ohio State University (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405168)

Er, that's THE Ohio State University [osu.edu] , thank you very much.

GO BUCKS!

Re:THE Ohio State University (1)

Mancat (831487) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405232)

Then why isn't it tosu.edu?

Or why does the web site say "Welcome to Ohio State" in its title?

Re:THE Ohio State University (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405298)

They started doing the The Ohio State University thing because of the legal battle they lost with my alma mater (Ohio University). OSU was trying to just use Ohio for a lot of their stuff, and OU had the rights to it (Ohio University was founded in 1804 and was the first college in the Northwest Territory).

They've been bitchy about it ever since.

Re:THE Ohio State University (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405340)

The legislature ought to just merge OSU and OU and shut them both up for good, firing any administrators who don't like it. The "THE" thing is one of the dumbest things going.

Just for the record... (3, Funny)

SaDan (81097) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405178)

I do not want to hear about global warming as the cause of all the melting ice in Greenland if we're going over there and effectively microwaving the place to get pretty pictures of what's underneath.

Re:Just for the record... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405488)

Yes, the surveying will cause the entire ice sheet to melt. All of it. Its science.

Ehm (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405182)

shouldn't any mountain ranges be pretty well worn down by now? Scandinavia doesn't have any huge mountains due to the ice ages, so I'd imagine that the same goes for Greenland.

Re:Ehm (1)

RodgerDodger (575834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405830)

Depends how much the ice has moved. Glacial movements wear down mountains; Scandinavia doesn't have much in the way of mountains because glaciers have grown and shrunk back and forth over it a lot.

Glaciers have covered Greenland for a long time. Sheer pressure of weight won't wear down mountains at all.

Look at Antarctica - it's got several mountain ranges of decent size (3k+ - going up to 4897m at Mt Vinson - that's higher than any mountain in the Alps or the Rockies)

Iceland? (0, Redundant)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405222)

What's Hidden Under Greenland's Ice?

The real question is what is under Iceland's green?

Re:Iceland? (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405476)

The real question is what is under Iceland's green?
The world biggest volcanic-powered grow-op?

What I think would be cool under Greenland (4, Interesting)

Jon Luckey (7563) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405246)

This: [gutenberg.net.au]

The effect was that of a Cyclopean city of no architecture known to man or to human imagination, with vast aggregations of night-black masonry embodying monstrous perversions of geometrical laws. There were truncated cones, sometimes terraced or fluted, surmounted by tall cylindrical shafts here and there bulbously enlarged and often capped with tiers of thinnish scalloped disks; and strange beetling, table-like constructions suggesting piles of multitudinous rectangular slabs or circular plates or five-pointed stars with each one overlapping the one beneath. There were composite cones and pyramids either alone or surmounting cylinders or cubes or flatter truncated cones and pyramids, and occasional needle-like spires in curious clusters of five. All of these febrile structures seemed knit together by tubular bridges crossing from one to the other at various dizzy heights, and the implied scale of the whole was terrifying and oppressive in its sheer gigantism. The general type of mirage was not unlike some of the wilder forms observed and drawn by the arctic whaler Scoresby in 1820, but at this time and place, with those dark, unknown mountain peaks soaring stupendously ahead, that anomalous elder-world discovery in our minds, and the pall of probable disaster enveloping the greater part of our expedition, we all seemed to find in it a taint of latent malignity and infinitely evil portent.


Likely? No... but if it happened it might make certian people reconsider that greenhouse gas/climate change tradeoff issue. :)

Book? (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405248)

Wasn't there a book about this?

http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Point-Dan-Brown/dp /0671027387 [amazon.com]

Oh wait, that was the North Pole. My bad!

Re:Book? (1)

nxtr (813179) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405398)

How awkward of you to make such a mistake, especially considering that you made a suggestion in the subject field, admit to making a mistake in the field that follows and still proceed to make the post.

Simple (1)

Evilest Doer (969227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405250)

What's hidden under Greenland's ice? Simple. Shuggoths. Lots and lots of Shuggoths.

Re:Simple (2, Funny)

east coast (590680) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405334)

Don't tell the unwitting fools! I need them to further the cause.

Re:Simple (1)

Evilest Doer (969227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405682)

Don't tell the unwitting fools! I need them to further the cause.
Sorry, Master! Forgive me! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Obviously... (1)

SoapBox17 (1020345) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405262)

Atlantis. The real question is, does it have a star gate?

Re:Obviously... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405458)

Yes, but I ran down the ZPM powering all my portable electronics for the last few years. My bad.

Real Estate (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405264)

Real Estate. I thought Greenland was owned by Denmark, but apparently it's autonomous now. AFAIK, nobody has surveyed the land, and even if the ice melted today it would probably be a nasty unstable place for a while, but you know some Lex Luthor type has to be smacking his lips at the prospect of an ice sheet collapse and a temperate polar climate.

Re:Real Estate (2, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405762)

...And judging from the Mercator projection map that I had on my wall as a kid, it's LOTS of real estate. It looks like more than the entire continental USA, maybe more than all of South America. Probably it's even much bigger than that, but it's hard to tell because they cut the top off Greenland at the edge of the map. It looks like probably goes on and on as you go farther north, though. This global warming thing could be a huge boon to land developers!

What's hidden? (2, Funny)

I Like Pudding (323363) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405276)

It's Waldo. Obviously.

You all got it wrong (was:What's hidden?) (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405420)

ancient pr0n.

Dead locust-like aliens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405628)

that resembles the devil and have psychic powers.

Re:Dead locust-like aliens (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405772)

That's one of the best sci-fi movies ever.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062168/ [imdb.com]

It's a remake of the british screenplay, but, well, we didn't get that on this side of the pond.

Someone mod parent up.

--
BMO

Queue debate over what happens when ice melts. (1)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405278)

I say it triples in volume and gets salty.

Is it too early ....... (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405332)

to start building condos? With Florida and most of the current coastal land under water there's going to be a big demand for new coastal land. Personally I think it's all a scam and Trump is behind the survey and they are really dividing the island into lots. Just watch, there'll be prime lots for sale on Ebay any day now. They're starting to run out of desert and swamp land to sell so Greenland would be a perfect spot for retirement property for Gen Xers.

Penguins! (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405352)

Lots and lots of penguins!

Re:Penguins! (1)

americangame (1025646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405506)

Lots and lots of penguins!
Please, everyone knows that penguins live at the south pole!

A Great Mystery (3, Funny)

nxtr (813179) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405374)

The article makes Greenland seem like a woman and the ice seem like a bra. So far, I can most certainly tell you that whatever is under the ice are not bags of sand.

Re:A Great Mystery (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405504)

Probably not tissue paper either.

Re:A Great Mystery (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405626)

Fear not, Greenland is no woman and all that's hidden is just the manboobs of a fat ^_^ animu Slashfaggot.

Entrance to Hollow Earth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405382)

Probably a portal to Hollow Earth, just ask Olaf Jensen, William Morgan and Richard Byrd.

What a no-brainer, really. (1)

gd23ka (324741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405384)

For all I know freaking Atlantis could be hiding under the ice there or at least
fascinating, mind-boggling remnants of past civilization like pyramids twice the
size of Gizeh and sphinxes galore.

They wouldn't tell us in a million years.

So what do you think they'll tell _you_ what's under all that ice?

Re:What a no-brainer, really. (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405718)

So what do you think they'll tell _you_ what's under all that ice?

"We found alot of interesting things. But upon contact with air, after thousands of years, it disintigrated and couldn't be saved anymore to identify and investigate the finds."

What is the US telling whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405422)

If one can see through the ice then one can see through solid rock. A few years back the US developed a radar that was used to map the banks of where the Nile river was a 100 years ago. The Soviet Union got the message. If the US could map the under ground banks of the Nile River a 100 years ago then the US could find all the Soviet Union's missal silos and take them out.

A couple of years back the North Koreans did one of their missal tests by flying it over Japan. Later the Japanese demonstrated their missal technology by sending a robot to intercept a comet and return a sample to earth. You can shoot at us but we can shoot at you and hit you.

So question, who is the US telling that they can find all of their underground bunkers? The North Koreans? Iran?

Re:What is the US telling whom? (2, Funny)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405620)

Well, it is Ohio State doing the research so I can only assume this is a veiled threat against the rogue state of Michigan.

Swi

Puhleease: Put Roland Piquepaille blog elsewhere (4, Insightful)

viking80 (697716) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405444)

I would like to just suggest a link to Roland Piquepailles blog somewhere where those who are interested can click. And *no more articles please*

I read /. to get real news and facts, and see discussions from people with insight.
Roland Piquepailles submissions has not met this criterium. Did this article tell you what lies under greenlands ice?

You should mod this up if you agree or mod away as flamebait/offtopic/troll if you dont agree, but at least mod it.

Vikings (1)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405582)

Frozen Vikings and cattle standing under frozen palm trees.

It would be better to do it in Antartica (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405690)

Why do it in Greenland and not at the South Pole?

I know what it is... (2, Funny)

bigsam411 (1043552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405726)

an ancient 66 square-kilometer ice shelf, the size of 11,000 football fields

Your Mom (0, Troll)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405756)

Didn't you know?

Well, life's a bitch, ain't it?

Secrets - and Snakes! Snakes in the Ice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405782)

#1. Dozens of 300 meter tall Thorium/Platinum Alloy Pyramids arranged in fascinating patterns somewhat like a landing field. Exploring parties vanish in a flash of light...

#2. Cthulhu's Dark Corners of the Earth.

#3. The real reason for global melt - Google's gigantic ice sheet cooled server farm!

It's probably... (3, Interesting)

Panaqqa (927615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405788)

a lot like the terrain on Baffin Island, another arctic island which underwent intense glaciation in the last ice age - and emerged from it due to slightly milder climate. This picture [umass.edu] of Mount Asgard on Baffin Island is likely quite representative of what would be under Greenland's ice. Minus, of course, the moss/lichen/pioneer plants.

GISMO (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405790)

Nice acronym.

Saddam Hussein Dead at 69 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405792)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was found dead in his Iraqi prison this evening. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an Iraqi icon.

Oil (1)

PWNT (985141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405822)

Like it says in the title, OIL will be found under the shelf.

Been there, done that. (2, Insightful)

NullProg (70833) | more than 7 years ago | (#17405896)

Under the ice sheet there are, wait for it... Trees

http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-ice-co re.htm [athropolis.com]
This planet was once warm in the past. It is warming up again despite our human influence.
FYI, the planet is going to get cold again when it adjusts.

Enjoy,

Everyone knows it's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17405898)

Santa Claus and his great big factory of elves making all the toys for Christmas.
Rumour has it that he has a huge Elf library for every operating system.
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