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Battlestar Galactica DVD Movie In the Works?

CowboyNeal posted more than 7 years ago | from the those-other-starbucks dept.

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Philias writes "Although Battlestar Galactica has been going down in ratings and has yet to get picked up for another season, the sales of its DVDs has got Universal thinking of a Direct-To-Video Movie. GeekMonthly.com is reporting that plans are afoot for a film that will bridge the gap between Galactica and the new spinoff 'Caprica.' The film would be shot in March during the usual hiatus between seasons. The big difference between this and the mini-series and other seasons would be that this would be sold on DVD before being aired on the SciFi channel."

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awww... (1, Funny)

markild (862998) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408484)

The film would be shot in March [...]
Nawww... On first read I saw on Mars.

What an disappointment!

Re:awww... (-1, Offtopic)

markild (862998) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408498)

And to all you grammar Nazis out there, the "an" was of course the result of too much crack.

Say no, kids!

Re:awww... (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408550)

And to all you grammar Nazis out there, the "an" was of course the result of too much crack.

Oh, I thought you wrote 'what an appointment' first, and later decided to add 'dis':P

Rips (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17408522)

Cool, so we can get high quality DVD rips *before* the shitty TV rips. That'll help my ratios.

No surprise ratings are falling. (4, Insightful)

guidryp (702488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408542)

I am a huge fan of BSG, and have watched every episode since the mini series, but I am not surprised the ratings are in decline. This season has lost it's way. Baltar was great when he was among the humans with the cylon in his head frakking with his brain. Now among the cylons he is quite uninteresting.

Other than that they really seem to be pushing the preachy morality play of the week. I think the listened too much to the critics who liked them touching "real issues" and now they have gone overboard on the "real issues" and the story and characters seem to be suffering, so much so that I have a hard time buying their actions. It is just not as good this season. I hope they get back to form soon.

They shouldn't try to drag this on endlessly, when the story is over they should stop and not inject filler seasons that increasingly make it unrealistic. I would rather have 3 or 4 good season ended properly rather than dragged out mediocre 5 or 6 seasons.

I expect modding down from fans who will claim it is better than ever.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408562)

Baltar was great when he was among the humans with the cylon in his head frakking with his brain. Now among the cylons he is quite uninteresting
I find with season 3 that the episodes which spend more time on the Cylon base ship are more interesting. It seems that without Baltar, the human survivors are just much less interesting than the Cylons...

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (5, Interesting)

Altima(BoB) (602987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408764)

I find with season 3 that the episodes which spend more time on the Cylon base ship are more interesting. It seems that without Baltar, the human survivors are just much less interesting than the Cylons...
I dunno, I feel the opposite way on this. The cylons were most imposing and effective as antagonists around the begining of the series, when they were mostly faceless (Just the imposing base stars and fighters seen) and were making small, insidious encroachments on organic humanity, like Sharon. "33" was especially effective because even their tactics seemed like brute force mechanical thinking with infinite patience.

Now they seem too human, too emotionally vulnerable and the base star's interior just seems like a space that's too large and relaxing. And seeing base stars filled with Xena's and Tricia Helfer's is somewhat detracting. Though the cylons I really really like are the Dean Stockwell ones and the Grace Park ones. Whereas Lucy Lawless' and Tricia Helfer's cylon characters have grown somewhat flat to me, the other two mentioned represent a lot more of the sadistic cylon determination (Stockwell) and the schitzophrenic identity crisis that organic cylons are bound to have (All those Sharons)

I listen to the podcast commentaries a lot and Ronald D Moore, the producer, openly acknowledges a lot of these issues, that whatever cylon sets they built wouldnt never live up to peoples' imaginations and that revealing more and more about the cylons was always simply too tempting for them as authors. I can appreciate that, but I still think they were perhaps incorrect choices.

What I think they should do with this current arc they are doing is to give Baltar back to the Galactica. The only problem with that is considering how enthusiastically they've ejected people out of airlocks for less, keeping him alive on Galactica would be difficult to do believably. Maybe strand him on the algea planet with someone like the Chief... Also, while another election episode would be rather dull, Laura has stayed in powr through so many unlikely twists that to remove her from power within the fleet would put her character in an interesting position.

For the record, I still think it's the best drama on television, and easily soars above the 99% of TV that's just utter cultural garbage.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

BRUTICUS (325520) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409094)

Here's an idea.... Baltar still has Helfer in his head...he's still an imbecile.. what if all this changed? What if Baltar suddenly figured out the location of Earth and gained more respect from the Cylons, he dropped his imaginary friend and started being a bit more imposing and even began leading the cylons?

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Interesting)

Altima(BoB) (602987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409148)

...and started being a bit more imposing and even began leading the cylons?
Yeah I really like that idea. Rather than the puppet leader he was on New Caprica, they could have him as a dominating cult-of-personality type leader, giant posters of his face, etc. aybe even have him discover that he isn't one of the 'Final Five' but have him and his regime claim he is anyway, a Cylon Messiah. Then he can graduate to being a full fledged villain, but his rational side would still fnd conflict with his situation. Plus the Cylons always seemed prone to hysterical zealotry, they now seem far too rational in comparison to the genocide they wreaked at the begining of the series.

Yeah, I like that idea.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (3, Insightful)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409122)

Actually, I love the fact that the Cylons are getting more human. It's so great because as the series evolve you realise that the humans are being colder and colder and acting more like.... machines.

It's a great reversal of the roles and I'm sure it will even out at some point because

*** SPOILER ALERT DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN LAST EPISODE BEFORE HIATUS ***
William Adama is pretty much willing to nuke the whole fracking planet at this point. It's pretty much a cold decision, considering Earth is in the balance. Maybe now will be a time for the humans to realize what they are turning into and shift their course. The executions "if were not with us on New Caprica you are against us" mentality also was pretty cold. Reminds me of a certain... nah... I won't go into that. :)
**** END SPOILER ***

It's interesting that the heart of the Galactica crew right now is pretty much Shannon (a machine) and her husband. It's also interesting that there is also one Cylon who distinctively thinks like a cold-hearted machine, the preacher, who coldly said last episode "Let's kill them, rid the universe of the human pestilence. We are machines, it doesn't matter if it takes us a 1000 years to find Earth", which, you got to admit, he had a really good point. The only thing preventing this is the other Cylons who are slowly evolving with more human feelings.

I just love how the show plays this, consciously or not. (but I bet the writers knew it all along)

The one thing I miss tough is the deliciously crazy Baltar being tormented by Number Six while he is going around on Galactica and having people look at him funny. And the shocker was realizing the Number Six on her own also had her own suggestive-manipulative-Baltar in her head. That was a great revelation. Too bad they didn't get to play more with this since Baltar is now on the base ship.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

Altima(BoB) (602987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409256)

Yeah, those are good points. If the writers were really daring, and they've been daring in the past, spend a few episodes where that reversal is far more explicit, and the humans really are the bad guys for a while. Make the humans commit acts of genocide against the cylons while the cylons become terrified. They came close to that with the bio-weapon story arc, and seemed to come to their senses/humanity when they decided not to, but it didn't really feel like the reversal of roles was being fleshed out.

(Just a side not, does it irk anyone else that the Galactica has either gotten twice as powerful, or its crew twice as competant since the start of the show? At the start, the most Galactica seemed to be able to hope for against even a single base star was to just buy time and hold them off. The first base star they blew up was by sneakily planting a nuke on board, and the first they defeated in open combat was halfway through season 2, when they had the Pegasus with them. Now they seem to be able to take on base stars much more effectively... seems like it shifts the balance of the show a little.)

The one thing I miss tough is the deliciously crazy Baltar being tormented by Number Six while he is going around on Galactica and having people look at him funny. And the shocker was realizing the Number Six on her own also had her own suggestive-manipulative-Baltar in her head. That was a great revelation. Too bad they didn't get to play more with this since Baltar is now on the base ship.
One thing I don't really get is that even when Baltar is reunited with Caprica Six, he still sees his imaginary number six in the red dress in his head. They seem to have been established as two seperate entities, and I'm not sure where the writers seem to be going with that. One would think we'd see some more of imaginary Baltar in Caprica Six's head, now that she's once more an active character. I'd like to see more time dedicated to Baltar trying to figure out why he's still seeing his imaginary cylon lover...

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (3, Interesting)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409462)

I think Baltar's Number Six and the reborn Number Six is not the same character at all. The Number Six inside Baltar's head is far more manipulative and dangerous than the flesh and bolts one. To me, the reborn Number Six takes her decisions based on her feelings towars Baltar and the human race, while Baltar's (whose is trying to please Baltar, I mean, it's still his fantasy after all) is there to provoke him and has less emotions than the flesh and bolts one.

As for Batlar being a Cylon himself, while an interesting idea (Baltar is even pondering the notion now), it would be anti-climatic, because it's such an interesting burden (for the viewer) to be responsible for the genocide of your race. It's a great burden to carry. It was great to have a delusional Baltar and it would have been for nothing if he is indeed a Cylon. One interresting plot twist tough would be if he turned to believe he is one and commited suicide to prove his point and we then realize he wasn't. That would be the perfect ending for this character I think. Or if the show ends with the destruction of the Cylons and he last ressurection ship, you end up with a lone Baltar without any ressurection ship to revive him if he is indeed one and you have him on the fringe of death and he will never know if was a Cylon indeed. Cue credits. :)

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409656)

Just a side note, does it irk anyone else that the Galactica has either gotten twice as powerful, or its crew twice as competant since the start of the show? At the start, the most Galactica seemed to be able to hope for against even a single base star was to just buy time and hold them off. The first base star they blew up was by sneakily planting a nuke on board, and the first they defeated in open combat was halfway through season 2, when they had the Pegasus with them. Now they seem to be able to take on base stars much more effectively... seems like it shifts the balance of the show a little.


This is pretty fanboyish, but I think that in the Galactica has had the benefit of consolidating the Pegasus resources since New Caprica. They definitely have all of Pegasus' Mark VII Vipers (Lee left them behind with the fleet when he embarked on the Pegasus' suicide mission, and they evacuated the Pegasus with all of its Raptors), and Galactica probably obtained other resources like hull plating and ammunition. They probably also shared their nukes; I think Galactica only had 4 of them after Ragnar, but in the last episode they seem to have more.

Along with all the hardware, Galactica also inherited most of Pegasus' pilots and crew. These are huge differences from the mini-series, when most of Galactica's pilots were eliminated right at the beginning.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410164)

(Just a side not, does it irk anyone else that the Galactica has either gotten twice as powerful, or its crew twice as competant since the start of the show?

Well, when they lost the Pegasus, they kept the crew and the Vipers and Raptors IIRC. So yes, twice as competent sounds about right ;)

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Funny)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409230)

Some spoilers within.

I agree with you. The more we see of the Cylons, the more uninteresting they become. They joke, they display sarcasm, they fall in love, they have faith, they get angry, jealous, etc. They've taken all the mystery out of them, along with all the menace. They're just annoying zealots who look and act EXACTLY like humans, except they can't be "killed" while they're near a resurrection ship.

The numerous interpersonal conflict-driven stories lately were getting pretty tiresome, and really were slowing things down for the wrong reasons. Although, to be fair, the show has really always been a tad slow. I remember watching a few earlier episodes and realizing that an entire hour of show seemed to cover about 15 minutes of time in the story.

There is some hope left. I was pretty intrigued by the hybrid-thing that controls the Base Stars. And this whole "5 unknown models" thing has some promise. That, at least, adds some mystery back into it. Although, the whole Baltar is-he-or-isn't-he thing is getting dragged on too far long, and I can't see a way for that to be answered that ISN'T disappointing. If he is, then it seems too obvious. If he isn't, then it seems a bit too contrived.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Insightful)

Altima(BoB) (602987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409330)

The show has been slow pretty frequently, but that's why I think it suits the DVD format more than a weekly TV format. I watched the first season just from the DVDs, and they were great, and it makes it tough to watch them on a week-by-week basis. Though the first 3 (or 4, depending on how you number them) episodes of season 3 were really rich and well paced.

I personally think that the current Adama / Starbuck / Anders storyline is the weakest one they've done. It's predictable, and it's just not satisfying. Plus, in an episode where large forces are clashing and nuclear armageddon is at play again, it just seems petty and unimportant to go back to "Hey! Stay away from my already-promiscuous wife!" (Though Anders is another Colonel Tigh in the making from all this...)

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Interesting)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409932)

The hybrid-thing that controls the base ship is such an obvious and blatant rip-off of the psychics in Minority Report, I simply can't stand seeing it on screen. Ron Moore's a good creative guy, he doesn't need to rely on stealing to produce a good show... I mean, what's going on here?

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410960)

What the hell? How is my post a "troll?" The moderation here is WAY out of control.

Is there a SINGLE person who's seen both recent BSG and Minority Report and didn't make the obvious connection between the two?

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410106)

Although, the whole Baltar is-he-or-isn't-he thing is getting dragged on too far long, and I can't see a way for that to be answered that ISN'T disappointing.

It's already been answered. If he was a cylon he would have been infected when he went on the infected base star. He wasn't. If that wasn't enough confirmation for you then how about this: why would the cylons let him go to the infected base star knowing he would return if he could be infected?

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410636)

If he was a cylon he would have been infected when he went on the infected base star
He was in an isolation suit on the infected base star, so he wouldn't have been infected either way. Other Cylons could not have been infected, but they were unwilling to go because they had no idea what it was that was causing the problems.

why would the cylons let him go to the infected base star knowing he would return if he could be infected?
The other Cylons would not be aware if he was a member of the final five. They have already stated that they don't know what the final five look like.

However, he developed a Cylon detector; don't you think he would have put himself through it? Also, Cylon's spines all seem to glow red when they have sex. Given his promiscuity, I would have expected someone to notice...

Unfortunately both Cylons/humans less interesting (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409318)

The problem I have is both sides seem less interesting now. The Baltar dynamic has been removed from the humans and replaced with melodrama; who will Starbuck Frak next? Yippee: Days of our Battlestar lives.

A lot of the sense of mystery has been removed from the cylons with Baltar wandering among them.

As far as it being the best Drama on TV, "Deadwood", and "The Wire" were/are much better dramas which much more believable characters. I am sure other people can list more. As a drama it would not be high on my list.

I watched it initially because it was a great SciFi show with gritty feel, great unfolding cyclon mystery and good tension with traitor/crazy Baltar among the humans. Now most of that has been lost to be replaced with more melodrama. I think this is a result of them running out of ideas and trying to stretch for more seasons. Sad.

BSG is top-rated cable series on Friday (2, Interesting)

ubuwalker31 (1009137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409584)

I call Bullshit with the "BSG ratings are falling" crowd

From http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/search/article_display .jsp?vnu_content_id=1003223846 :
-Respectable Start for Sci Fi's Battlestar Galactica:
The two-hour, third-season premiere of Sci Fi Channel's Battlestar Galactica was the top-rated cable series on Friday, Oct. 6, with a 1.8 household rating and 2.2 million viewers. Comparatively, however, that was still down by 900,000 viewers from the season two opener in July 2005 (3.1 million).

So, they lost almost a million viewers...and they are still on top. I think that they are gambling that a move to Sunday night might help. I think that the long gaps between seasons helped to kill ratings...not the day of the week.

Re:BSG is top-rated cable series on Friday (2, Informative)

rtrifts (61627) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410416)

BSG is on broadcast TV?

I'm in Canada. Every one of my friends watches BSG religiously. Every single week.

But not a single one of them watches it on Space. BSG is the reason for bittorrent. What's the adjusted ratings for bittorent users? :)

As for the ratings discussion...they are not that bad nor at any sort of critical stage. Leave it to the Slashdot crowd to ignore the Direct To Video movie discussion and seize on the ratings speculation one-liner.

As for the Iraq war parallels. They were strong, solid scripts. The ranting about those issues regarding the show come from American viewers - not those from other countries. Methinks your flag is getting in the way of your enjoyment of the best show on TV.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

murdocj (543661) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409736)

Caveat: I haven't seen the latest episode.

I agree, the Cylons were at their best when they were mysterious. We didn't know what they looked like, what their powers were, or even whether they had a hotline to God. They spoke with one voice, and as the teaser for each episode reminded us, "they have a plan".

Now they are a bunch of confused humanoids who don't know the meaning of life or what they want to do when they grow up. They argue amongst themselves. They order the mechanical cylons around like a bunch of slaves. Essentially, they ARE humans who just happen to live on a base ship.

I also listen to the RDM podcasts. One of the best ones was the writer's conference where they plot out the 2nd half of season two. It's fun to listen to, but what's really eye opening (at least for me) is that RDM and the writers don't know any more than we do about what's going on.

Is the story set in the distant past or the far future? Do the Cylons have a home world, or are they strictly based in space ships? Why did the Cylons attack? Do the human colony worlds circle a single sun, or are they scattered in space? The writers tossed these out, and no one, including RDM, had an answer. (actually, the last question RDM said that he thought that although it was astronomically unlikely, the human worlds did orbit a single sun... but he wasn't real definite on that).

So the first two seasons the story line introduced lots of questions, but no one has really thought about the answers, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. I think they've taken the easy out of making the cylon characters that we are familiar with like us. Those cylons are trying to figure out what's going on, just like we are.

I still enjoy watching the show, but it really does feel like it's starting to lose its way.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17410514)

Whereas Lucy Lawless' and Tricia Helfer's cylon characters have grown somewhat flat to me


While they're not Pamela Anderson hyooge, I don't find them to be flat.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Interesting)

Mspangler (770054) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409614)

This whole plot always was limited. The Humans are pushed off into deep space. They have no supply, no refit for the ships, and nowhere they can stop. Galactica needs 6 months in the space dock at least. It's falling apart. They are running out of fighters, Raptors, and everything else. It's not sustainable for a long series.

The only options the humans have is slow death by attrition, quick death by Cylon, or jump as far and fast as possible away from the cylons and try to resettle, hoping that by the time the Cylons find them again either they have calmed down, or that the human decendants are strong enough to hold them off. Or, if the fleet does find earth, then earth will be technologically undeveloped, and wiped out by the Cylons, or earth will have starfleet, and blow away the cylons, or earth will have been taken over by their own Cylon equivalents. Long term plot options are limited.

My analysis may be colored by my time in the Navy, when I found out just how much repair time and infrastructure it took to keep one warship operational, even if it was nuclear powered (to remove the fuel problem). One increasingly battered battlestar and a ragtag fleet is not sustainable. The story arc (as in the character's subjective time) must be short.

Now one thing the writers could do is modify that cylon-killing virus so it only works on the "source material" on the Resurrection ships, and infect the Cylons. Then since D'anna is close to discovering that the resurrection routine is functioning as a "soul trap" to keep the Cylons from truly knowing God, the resulting stress could turn into a Cylon civil war, and that would give a way to wrap up the show without either finding earth, or watching the last human die.

But now it's just "Angst and Depression in Space."

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (2, Insightful)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408746)

story line is fine, it will probably end in a fourth season.

The ratings are falling because who the hell watches TV on a friday night? Wait till the show is moved to 10pm sunday, then we'll see ratings go up.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408758)

Yea but with SciFI in charge your going to get 8 seasons with the last four poorly done, and the last season with a cliff hanger, like farscape did because it was forced to end to early.

though I do like this season more so than the last. I do hope tough that they end it sooner rather than later. I also hope Caprica deals with the creation of the cylons it's a good way to continue the story without repeating the same old story lines.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

Frangible (881728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408826)

Naw, you're right. The season started off strongly and the last episode was ok, but the eps in between were crap. It was like "Black Market" from season 2. Total crap. Anything showing the cylons inside their basestars shows too much, they did indeed kill Baltar's character, the ep that was a 1 hour excuse to kill off Kat was pathetic, the Apollo/Starbuck romance? Please. Oh, and then there was ep with the old pilot or something. Zzzz. Boxing? Fucking boxing? Apparently RDM is off working on the spinoff now, and they have new writers working on things.

Well, it shows. Eps like the return to Caprica arc, the Pegasus arc, New Caprica, etc are what made the show great... and instead of continuing what was great, they took the weakest elements and used them over and over. It's going downhill fast, in an X-Files kind of way, and the writing is killing it without RDM.

It's a damned tragedy it seems headed the way of Stargate SG-1 with no renewal, but if they cannot maintain the quality of BSG in the past, maybe that's for the best. Most of this season has been all but unwatchable.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410130)

I agree with you -- the boxing episode was barely watchable and I was sorely tempted to use the FF button (I watched the iTunes version). Lately, it seems more and more like a soap opera set in space. Now, the whiny BS might be appropriate background material (it is reasonable to think that conflict would result over relationships) and it probably deserves some play (you know, they need to throw in some chick stuff), but it shouldn't be the front matter in sci-fi. The last thing I want to see is something like "The Lightdays of Our Lives".

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (5, Insightful)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408918)

That's one opinion, and it's not a horrible one, but there is another way to look at things.

Every episode the writers add new canon. They reveal new aspects of characters, back-story, colonial religion, Cylon goals, and secrets about Earth. The problem is that this show started off with a huge bang, and due to its uniqueness and high quality, a lot of viewers "fell in love" with various aspects of the characters or plot or even style of presentation. Today, it's virtually inevitable that every episode will introduce some element to "taint" the adoration and respect viewers have. Starbuck's recent behaviour? Helo's? Discovering the Cylons want Earth as well?

I guarantee that when the "Final Five" have their faces revealed, for every fan who says "that's neat!", there'll be some disgruntled soon-to-be-ex-fan who throws his hands up in the air and says "that's not what I would have done".

The show continues to be a very high-quality, well-written and well-acted one. I expect the ratings problem is due much more to unrealistic expectations of many, many fans that BSG will contain nothing but plot elements THEY adore.

Try caring more about what BSG IS instead of what it ISN'T, each episode. What it certainly is, is the best show on television.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

sycodon (149926) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408924)

The reason the ratings are failing is that every week, the Humans lose. They may win a battle now and then , but it's always in the wider context of getting their butts kicked.

Contrast this with the Star Trek series. In those, the Humans always kicked ass.

All arguments about art/life/etc. aside, no one likes to see their team running away at the end of every episode.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410162)

Except I'm hoping for the transhumanist utopia of the future. I don't want the humans to win and Laura is such an uberbitch, way too melodramatic and cruel -- I hope like Moses she buys the farm before the promised land.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409380)

At the end of last season, I downloaded the BSG podcast for the first time. Big mistake in this case. The podcast was about 90 minutes of the writers room, and in those 90 minutes it became increasingly clear to me that the BSG writers have no frakking clue as to where they are taking the show. They didn't have an overall arc to the show; they mapped out only the next "pod" (that's "mini-season" to the rest of us) and were clear that they'd end it on a note where you could take the next "pod" in any number of directions.

That's probably easier, to map out only the "pod" you are starting. But for us viewers, eventually we realize it's tap-dancing.

This in contrast to shows that definitely were mapped out with a multi-season plan, like any Joss Whedon show (Firefly, Angel, Buffy) or even Lost.

It was very disappointing for me to realize that BSG was just something the writers made up as they went along. It would have been much better to have mapped out a general plan for, say, the first 4 seasons - and written a rough framework for what each season needed to include and where it would go. If the writers aren't invested enough in the show to know where it's going, why should I be invested enough to watch it?

As a result, I may watch the next season of BSG, or I may not. We'll see.

... and they have a plan. (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409740)

Ouch. I had assumed they had a full story arc in mind, especially when the tag line for the Cylons is "and they have a plan".

It is pretty sad that the writers don't.

Re:... and they have a plan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17410370)

Someone asked him about this once. Originally, the "And they have a plan" was something put in (over RDM's objections) to make the teaser sound cooler. There was, originally, no plan.

The writers have since developed said plan.

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409900)

I just want them to explain the Cylon belief system, which apparently is perfectly ok with genocide of an entire *species*, but not execution of a prisoner. WTF!?

Re:No surprise ratings are falling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17410068)

I seems to be simular to Christians/Muslims on our world. I would say Jews also, but i dont really see them going around about "god is great, worship him or die" sort of thing, maybe im wrong.

How to be stupid (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408548)

I stopped watching BSG this season after the first episode. Not because the story sucks - in fact I really liked that first episode, it was brilliant - but because the picture sucks.

I learned last year that UniversalHD runs the BSG reruns after 6 months or so, in high def. So, now I am just going to wait it out until the show is available in HD.

I think Universal is just frackin stupid to run the premier episodes in crap-def on the sci-fi channel. If there is a single demographic most likely to own HDTVs and actively seek out HD shows, it is the one that watches BSG. They need to get their shit together and simulcast the show in HD, not make us wait 6+ months for it.

Re:How to be stupid (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408600)

I am glad I am not the only one thinking that too. It infuriates me that they don't air it on UHD at the same time as SciFi. I am growing very weary of watching low def year after year after year for no reason. Low def on a hidef TV is horrible. And it is even worse when it is 16x9 lowdef- it is like watching a crappy postage stamp on a 60" screen.

Re:How to be stupid (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408800)

In reality, this is what they should do. I myself do not have a HDTV yet and I have to watch on regular TV.

Re:How to be stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409060)

So while the rest of us watch the drama, you watch the image resolution do you? Way to go making audiophiles look sane; asshole!

Re:How to be stupid (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409092)

So while the rest of us watch the drama, you watch the image resolution do you? Way to go making audiophiles look sane; asshole!

Yep, I spend the entire 40 minutes of each episode just counting the pixels.

What did they expect? (4, Insightful)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408552)

I'm not sure what Sci-Fi expects ratings to do when they run what amounts to half a season of episodes, call it a season, and run them the better part of a year apart. TV audiences of the TiVo generation have shown that they're not content to just watch reruns for long periods of time. With decreasing new episode counts, the problem of ratings getting harder and harder to come by shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

If Sci-Fi wants a show to succeed, they should try a novel approach: go back to a 30+ episode season. These silly little 10- and 13-episode runs are barely long enough to start getting into the action, then bam: 3 month hiatus....

Re:What did they expect? (1)

LoP_XTC (312463) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408872)

Umm you do realize that they ran a half-season and that the show starts again Jan 21st. Now I dont know about you, but six weeks isnt exactly the better part of a year apart.

Most shows now that run into a major US holiday are splitting the seasons so that they dont have to air shows that might not be seen by people traveling or what not.

Aaron

Re:What did they expect? (2, Interesting)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408976)

Season 1 had 13 episodes.
Season 2 had 22 episodes, with a long hiatus.
Season 3 has 22 episodes, with a four-week hiatus.

A "normal" season for a television show is 26 episodes.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see year-round new episodes, 52 times a year, but it doesn't work that way in TV. Further, what SciFi has done with BSG is increasingly more like "normal" shows, so there's no trending towards "worse", I'm afraid.

Another element to the downward ratings movement may very well be that SciFi started Season 3's broadcast at the same time as the major networks began their new seasons, and a number of hit shows have "stolen" viewer interest. Shows like Heroes, for instance. There's only so much viewer-interest, regardless of how many good/great shows are broadcast. Couch-potatoes will, eventually, hit a TV saturation point.

Re:What did they expect? (1)

Clock Nova (549733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409450)

You're right about season one, although the small number is due to it being introduced late in the season. Seasons 2 and 3, however, each contain only 20 episodes. That seems to be SciFi Channel's preferred number. Stargate SG-1 went from 22 eps per season on Showtime to 20 on SciFi. I can remember when a full season of Star Trek was 26 episodes. Those were the days.

Re:What did they expect? (2, Interesting)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409068)

Not sure about the validity of the numbers you're citing, but frankly, that seems to be a growing trend among the "alt-cable" channels like SCI-FI, FX, etc. FX is the worst, IMO. I got tired of waiting forever between seasons of NipTuck, The Shield, etc. (Not to mention canceling "Over There" *grin*). My wife and I just stopped caring about the characters with such huge gaps between seasons. I've never really watched The Sopranos, but I understand the same thing was something its fans complained about. Add that to decreased show times and increased commercial interruptions and it just points more and more toward viewers being pushed to find alternatives to what - and how - they watch TV.

Re:What did they expect? (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409714)

There are more shows out there now than ever before. In the long ago, when a few networks controlled the airwaves, and we had to watch the shows when we were told to, it was kind of important for the a particular series to produce many hours of programming. This resulted in many negative effects, due to the fact that the budget and staffing was not sufficient for the amount of content. This meant we got clip shows, elevator episodes, and other sub par content whose sole purpose was to fill time. Also, repetitive intros killed airtime. A recent example of this is Alias, in which the first season featured a clip show, and the introduction ate a few minutes of air time, not to mention the stock footage. The Original BSG was also guilty of this by indiscriminately reusing the sfx.

One nice thing about the new world is that enough networks are producing content that the crap that used to be required is no longer acceptable. Some cable stations make use of this new world well by producing few high quality episodes. Others, especially the old time networks, are still in the mode of overproducing content. Among the examples are thousands of version of CSI.

If Sci-Fi wants to succeed, they should have develop a number of different shows, produce 15-20 of each show each year, and run them at different times.

In any case the number of shows and the way they are shown are insignificant in the post tivo world. Instead of paying the cable fee of $1000+ dollars a year, one can use that money 30+ seasons on DVD, or just Netflix everything for 1/4 the price. I suppose if there is nothing to talk about except what is on tv, then watching it near real time is important. Otherwise, it is cheaper to wait.

no wonder ratings are declining! (2, Informative)

CheechBG (247105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408560)

I just hit the scifi.com main page, and there is not ONE mention of BSG anywhere on the page. If you stop advertising the show, only the die-hards will watch and it will descend into cult status.

Farscape (2, Informative)

pkbarbiedoll (851110) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408622)

Farscape suffered a similar untimely fate. The show was wonderous and innovative to most who saw it, yet in the middle of season four Sciffy announced that the second half of season four was actually season five, and killed the show with a final movie (after much hellraising from Farscape fans).

Death by Multiplication? (2, Interesting)

Rapter09 (866502) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408570)

I love RDM's Battlestar Galactica. It's excellent science fiction. The very best we have, I'd say. With that established however, I must make the point that I can see the series dying a horrible death due to inundation. Sure, the show is great and awesome. It's a beacon in the science fiction TV realm, but apparently it's ratings are slipping. Which sucks because its such a darn good show and i'd hate to see it go. Despite the ratings drop they've announced a spinoff series before BSG even really got its gears in motion - 'Caprica' - which is 0% science fiction and 100% drama. They've announced an MMO (or a game of some sort, at any rate) and I believe a pen-and-paper RPG? (the RPG I could be wrong on...), plus this movie.

Now granted, it's a great show, and a direct-to-DVD movie isn't really uncommon, but doesn't anybody think it's a little TOO much? Almost like SciFi, RDM and Eick are riding the marketing a little too hard? Babylon 5 was probably the most famous for direct-to-DVD movies. Most of them were not really on par with the overall quality of the show (except for In The Beginning... which was just... unbelievable.) even though they were nice little departures.

Maybe it wouldn't kill the show per-se, but it seems like they're jumping the gun a little early on this one.

decline in ratings? (1)

jimfinity (849860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408712)

that comes as a surprise to me. 3 out of the 4 latest shows have been incredibly good (hero, unfinished business, the eye of jupiter). I suggest checking them out if you haven't yet.

Re:decline in ratings? (1)

rikkards (98006) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408968)

Haven't seem the last two but I think Heroes has been flawed from the beginning. It has excellent characters, is a novel idea but the flaw? The plot is moving...too...damn...slow. It looks like the thing that made Lost great the first season but has declined since is something they are trying to avoid with Heroes and that is that the plot was great the first season but feels like they didn't know if they were going to be around for a second. The third with the Others has been dragging along

Now don't get me started about the penultimate of dead horse beatings called ER....

Re:decline in ratings? (1)

phobos512 (766371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409634)

Parent was referring to several episodes of BSG with the titles mentioned, not different shows...

Re:decline in ratings? (1)

jimmy_dean (463322) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409770)

I totally agree...I find season 3 to be some of the best in the entire series to date. I love the fact that they mix action with drama and lots of character development. Other comments have stated that they just want more action. More action would make the show more generic SciFi. Keep the show going in the same direction...it rocks!

Re:decline in ratings? (1)

duranaki (776224) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410274)

I'm with you guys.. i'm still loving this series as it is. I hope they stay on their current creative track and not jump to something more palletable to the masses to regain some ratings (although i can't figure out why they've dropped anyway).

Well I'd Watch It... (3, Insightful)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408744)

I'll be honest; the ratings in the UK would be a lot higher if we didn't have such a huge wait. Whilst you in the US are enjoying Series 3, we haven't even started yet.

I watch the US versions, a day after they air. You can work out the rest for yourself. But there is no point viewing on Sci-Fi UK when I've already seen it. If we had parity with the US, or at least something more sensible like a week, the viewing figures would be much higher!

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17408784)

"But there is no point viewing on Sci-Fi UK when I've already seen it"

There's no point even trying to view it on Sci-Fi UK because they don't show it. It's shown on Sky One, who also co-financed the first season along with the US Sci-Fi channel.

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409012)

We get it in HD from the start, and for other shows (for example SG-1, where we start the second half of this season on 9th Jan) we even get them before the US.

btw. They're on Sky One here not SciFi (SciFi UK is mostly a horror film channel, with the occasional repeats of V and Logans Run).

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409106)

Yeah, I realised afterwards about the channel issue. Oops, my bad. Shows you how up to date I am with what is actually shown on what. That Arquette (sp?) lass has Medium on Sci-Fi UK which can be a bit of a laugh.

Still, is HD enough for me to re-watch BSG? I'll be honest, probably not. By the time the HD versions hit our screens, I'll be back to watching the second half of the series from the US....

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409344)

We get it in HD from the start, and for other shows (for example SG-1, where we start the second half of this season on 9th Jan) we even get them before the US.

Too bad Sky does such a piss-poor job of HD encoding. They really need to take a lesson or two from the BBC -- or maybe an engineer or two -- because the BBC's HD quality is head and shoulders above Sky's. I never would have thought that brand-spanking new h.264 could look worse than old mpeg-2, but Sky proves it on a daily basis.

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

Altima(BoB) (602987) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409384)

(SciFi UK is mostly a horror film channel, with the occasional repeats of V and Logans Run).
Don't forget "The Erotic Misadventures of the Invisible Man" Obviously it was H G Wells' original intent.

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409676)

I'll trade you getting Battlestar Galactica at the same time as the USA for getting Doctor Who at the same time as the UK.

Re:Well I'd Watch It... (1)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410160)

Now you know how those of us in the United States feel about Doctor Who.

I just spent two weeks in Europe, and BBC started an episode of Doctor Who, but I had to turn it off because it was a season ahead of where we are in the US. I didn't WANT to know that Rose was dead yet, damnit!

and.. (2, Insightful)

BRUTICUS (325520) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408748)

Here's how I see it.

The cylon bayships are showing WAY TOO MUCH. Its like going into Darth Vaders bathroom and watching him take off his mask and slap on some aftershave. Cylons were more interesting when it was a mystery what is going on inside there. When we knew just as much of the cylons as the humans did. Now we are watching the cylons run around in their underwear, and the bayships seem like a pretty cush place no?The scariest thing going on there is the digital lights that are unnecessarily being flashed in the cylon faces to make it look FUTURISTIC, OOOOOH.

Why does Baltar still have Caprica(cylon) in his head? Shes right there!!!! What's the point? Hurry up and get done with the whole cylon/human hybrid baby, Sharon wants her baby storyline. Its really lame and unnecessary. First of all its just Madam President making another mistake cause really WHY tell the mother the kid died? So the cylons wont know she exists and take her and do experiments on her? Sorry but thats ridiculous. They would blow up gallactica before hoping onboard and kidnapping a baby.

Are these types of movies "swan songs" ? (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17408996)

"The X Files" series ended shortly after the movie. The box office failure of "Serenity" insured that the "Firefly" series would not be brought back. I suspect "The Simpsons" movie may prove to be a swan song also.

Re:Are these types of movies "swan songs" ? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409042)

I'm surprised Serenity failed at the box office.. its storyline was a bit generic, but what isn't these days?

Simpsons jumped the shark years ago and should have been killed a long time ago.. the recent episodes are getting painful to watch, they're so bad.

Didn't know x files died after the movie.. the movie was nearly the first thing I saw - watched x files for a long time afterwards (seems like they did thousands of them because it took ages before they started repeating).

Re:Are these types of movies "swan songs" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409114)

""The X Files" series ended shortly after the movie."

There were five seasons before the movie and four afterwards. So to say that the series ended shortly after the movie is nonsense.

This is exciting news! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409040)

If you're a total fag.

Loss of stargate as a lead-in (3, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409124)

Loss of stargate as a lead-in is pulling the ratings down.

Re:Loss of stargate as a lead-in (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409908)

Indeed. SciFi really screwed up when they mixed up that lineup. When they had their three best shows back-to-back-to-back, each show boosted the others' ratings. Now, with Stargate's season not coinciding with BSG and SG-1 being cancelled, there is less incentive for casual viewers to tune in, thus bringing the ratings down in all of those shows. Further, I think the ratings for all three of those shows are somewhat skewed due to the way they repeat them later that night. If you add together the ratings of the two airings, it yields a much better rating than is being reported, and you know that those are all unique viewers because very few people watch the same episode twice in a row. If you ask me, SciFi is royally screwing itself.

Sadly... (2, Insightful)

doit3d (936293) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409136)

...changing the time slot like they did is a death sentence for the show, IMHO. Very sad, for it is one of the best sci-fi shows currently aired that is done well. We all know that studio executives have always lacked intelligence anyway, so it was expected.

Not enough action (0)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409178)

Now I know people will correct me and say it's not a war show but is instead a drama. But still, compared to the miniseries and most of the earlier seasons the action has been lacking (for example "33" was awesome). I think the drama/action balance was better in previous seasons. Currently it's almost all drama save for a few sequences here and there and there's all that crap left from the "New Caprica" arc with main characters getting married and all sorts of touchy feely junk.

The whole "new Caprica" arc was what really killed the show for me. They skipped something like 10 years which just left a bad taste in my mouth and ruined the storyline. The lead up to it just didn't make any sense (Commander Lee Adama anyone?).

Don't get me wrong, I still love the show. It's actually one of the few things worth watching on TV and the last episode wasn't too bad but I hope they pull the show back in the direction of the original arc.

Re:Not enough action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409394)

If you think they 'skipped ten years or something' you're really not paying attention. The jump on New Caprica was jarring, true, but necessary to make the storyline elements work.

Re:Not enough action (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409924)

"The jump on New Caprica was jarring, true, but necessary to make the storyline elements work."

Needed to make what work? They pretty much did a complete undo on this arc. I found it jarring because it was comically, badly done, this was a turning point in the wrong direction for me. The characters all seemed off character and they went to the cheese closet to point out the passage of time with mustaches (Adama), fat suits (Apollo), and hair extensions (Starbuck). Then post "New Caprica" they get rid of the extra hair and the fat suit within the arc. Strong Fromage.

Re:Not enough action (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410594)

Those weren't hair extensions by the way, it was her real hair which she grew and cut off again for the show. A small nitpick.

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409292)

cuLt0re of abuse

Recipe for BSG Success ... (1)

Herschel Cohen (568) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409444)

Get it off the crappolla SciFi channel.

Even going high definition tv would not suffice, since I like others have only standard. I watch only two shows: BSG and House M.D. Until recently when he got smacked down I was on the course to drop the latter.

Going straight to DVD is great, I will buy it just to avoid the stupid ads and previews for the upcoming shows. SciFi insults its viewers by running miniclips while the current show is nearing its end. I hate SciFi Channel and I have nearly no interest in watching any of their shows, particularly the ones they push when BSG is on.

While I tend to read science fiction, I have always found most sci. fi. movies and tv series painful to watch. With BSG I may disagree with the story line or at times think parts were done badly, I still like to watch their attempts even when they fail. At least, most times they are not talking down to the audience.

One feature I now avoid is the podcasts, even the ones on the DVDs, there is too much stress on their own visceral response to their creation rather than the logic in the story line. That might be due to the need to avoid giving away future plot lines. Valid reason (somewhat), however, I had learned well in advance about the first 5 to 6 episodes of season 3 from reading a fan magazine. Actually I was disappointed I expected better execution of the ideas in the plots. So the discussions of the episodes do yield nothing positive for me, though other comments here found them of value.

I suggest: just produce the DVDs, run it afterward on TV. I suspect there will be a market for both, but with the shows timing on a shitty channel with idiots running it there is only so much any audience will bear. NBC could have done better, both for themselves and for the show.

I should state that the humans interest me less than machine intelligence, but religious nuts? Where did that come from? Mass murder followed by the tepid attempts to show the humans the right path, that's just too hard a sell. I would really like to know the rationale for the robots behaviour. And other questions, why were their more organic forms stopped so abruptly? Why are they scientific klutzes? This all hints that the core of the murderous rage and their frailty is human based. I am hoping Caprica might follow that logic, however, I do not have high hopes.

Nonetheless, I will continue to watch both, but preferably straight off of DVDs. I will still watch, because one is still the best of its genre and I have hopes the new series will do as well, at least in quality.

Re:Recipe for BSG Success ... (1)

coke_scp (892822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409948)

Can't imagine where this is coming from, either, it has no basis in reality. I skipped the history classes in school that covered the crusades, nazis, or any of the modern muslim conflicts. "I should state that the humans interest me less than machine intelligence, but religious nuts? Where did that come from? Mass murder followed by the tepid attempts to show the humans the right path, that's just too hard a sell."

BSG is lousy science fiction, please fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17409608)

I watched the first two seasons, found some of it ok, but decided to bail out this season. It's essentially boring, the characters are stereotypes, it's cruel, it's militaristic. How the system can sustain a show like this while Firefly lives a short life, it's beyond me.

I am hard core science fiction, it takes a lot to get me to turn my back on a show like BSG, but it's too low to bear watching.

This Feels Too Familiar (2, Insightful)

Atomm (945911) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409722)

Enterprise decided to follow the same storyline. They started bringing in moral elements of what is happening in the world around us. After 9/11, Enterprise had a whole season that mirrored everything that was happening because of 9/11.

The new season of BSG did the exact same thing. They started focusing on the morality of the world around us. They had terriosts and suicide bombers.

I'm sorry, but I watch SciFi because I want to escape from the problems we face in the world today. Didn't Universal learn anything from the ratings dive Enterprise took when they did this?

Then again, this is the same channel that is cancelling Stargate SG1, even though it's one of their highest rated shows.

BSG fan (1)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 7 years ago | (#17409906)

This sucks. Except for Doctor Who, there's nothing else on television that I enjoy. I own all the BSG DVDs and will get the latest when it's issued. Anyhoo, there are a few problems I see the writers/producers having:

1) The episodes are less balanced. I.e., they are more standalone episodes than before. IMHO, getting new viewers is very difficult if there's a lot of backstory needed to understand new episodes. For example, when X-Files was good it relied on some backstory. Regular viewers could be very interested. At some point they made it a freak-of-the-week show. Maybe this was at the direction of the marketing folks who said that they needed to appeal to non-regular viewers. Who knows. BSG seems to be heading in the freak-of-the-week direction...

2) Too much morality preaching. This is coming from someone who enjoyed watching Starbuck interview the Cylon because of the psychology war. Now it seems to be more about adding current topics to the storyline to make it, ummm, topical. Sure, science fiction always has a dose of morality, but don't beat us to death with it.

3) Not enough explosions. Seriously. My favorite movie is Apocalypse Now. I can appreciate the deep mind-fuck and the near-perfect understanding of Conrad's story, but it had lots of guns too. BSG is getting way too touchy-feely to appeal to the 25-45 male demographic.

4) Cylons are too human. No mystery, no intrigue. They're just human now and that makes it really boring. I.e., if it looks like a duck and talks like a duck, call it a duck. It was interesting that they could not die, but now they can, so the morality question of, "Does mortality make us human" just blows away. They're too human and too weak as a result. That's why the Borg was so terrifying at first. Then they became human and that just made them weak.

And for God's sake, please don't do any time travel or evil twin episodes..

bridge the gap... (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410410)

"bridge the gap between Galactica and the new spinoff 'Caprica'"

There's one problem right there. Why is there a gap? Why is there a spinoff? Did the events on Caprica really warrant a spinoff? Could the Caprica story, in no way, remain integrated with the main storyline in some way? And if it couldn't, and it didn't really warrant a spinoff, why not just let it be and move on?

Too many spinoffs these days - in the end, it merely divides focus (and money!) on the end of producers, actors, and audience alike. I'd like to see how many spinoffs+series remained doing as well separately, as the original did on its own. My guess: not many.

I wish the DVDs were cheaper. (1)

YoungHack (36385) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410412)

I've borrowed the DVDs of the series from friends, but I have to say that I think they are way overpriced. I find is especially dorky that they release each half season for essentially the full price of other shows. I can buy a whole season of Stargate SG-1, an excellent show that has been on for 10 years, and it costs less than half of a season of BSG.

I won't do it. It's a great show, and I'm glad to borrow it from people willing to fork out the dough. But it isn't worth it to me. And I think it's probably not worth it to other people either.

Does RDM have film rights? (1)

GabrielF (636907) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410642)

I've heard Ronald D. Moore (the show's executive producer) say that his team does not own the film rights to Battlestar Galactica. The guys who owned the rights to the crappy 70s show sold off the TV rights but held on to the film rights for some reason. As a result RDM has publicly ruled out the possibility of making a BSG film in the past. I don't know if this applies to Direct to Video films, but if it does it makes this story unlikely.

Drop in rating no surprise (1)

spazoid12 (525450) | more than 7 years ago | (#17410944)

"Although Battlestar Galactica has been going down in ratings and has yet to get picked up for another season"

Here's a tip... move the story along already!!

I pretty much gave up on the slow moving show but then decided to give it one more chance. So, the next time I caught an episode... I see an hour of retarded boxing? Dear Lord, how boring can they force the show to be?? At least that stupid Kat vs Starbuck bickering is finally gone.
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