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RIAA Goes for the Max Against AllofMP3

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the go-for-the-gold dept.

Music 777

Spad writes "Zeropaid is reporting that as part of its ongoing lawsuit, the RIAA will be seeking the maximum of $150,000 per song for each of the 11 million MP3s downloaded from the Russian AllofMP3.com between June and October last year. This amounts to roughly $1.65 trillion, probably a tad more than AllofMP3 has made in its lifetime. A representative of AllofMP3 stated: 'AllofMP3 understands that several U.S. record label companies filed a lawsuit against Media Services in New York. This suit is unjustified as AllofMP3 does not operate in New York. Certainly the labels are free to file any suit they wish, despite knowing full well that AllofMP3 operates legally in Russia. In the mean time, AllofMP3 plans to continue to operate legally and comply with all Russian laws.'"

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Hmm? (5, Funny)

b0lt (729408) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426320)

Why sue for a trillion, when you can sue for... a million?

Re:Hmm? (5, Funny)

Teresita (982888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426358)

What RIAA's lawyers didn't tell them is that they get a 5% advance against the future $1.65 trillion judgment, payable in advance and non-refundable.

Re:Hmm? (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426384)

Why sue for a trillion, when you can sue for... a million?

Because a trillion rubles is roughly 10 bucks.

Re:Hmm? (4, Insightful)

mikkelm (1000451) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426682)

If current trends continue, it's more likely to be a result of the prospect of a trillion dollars being roughly 10 rubles.

Re:Hmm? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426980)

Not sure why you got moded down.

Dollar's been falling steadily against rouble for the last four (4) years and currently is at the lowest level in seven years [yahoo.com] :

$1 = 26.28

I'm surprised they don't go for.... (1)

transporter_ii (986545) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426780)

I'm surprised they don't pull an Al Bundy and go for a bazillion dollars.

Also, what would a trillion dollars convert to in Brazilian dollars? I'm sure there is a good Bush joke in that somewhere, too...

Transporter_ii

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426324)

Penis!

Re:FP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426382)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this was actually the second post.

"Laws" in russia? (-1, Troll)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426352)

AllofMP3 plans to continue to operate legally and comply with all Russian laws.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that being on the correct side of the law in Russia means being friend with Putin or someone close to Putin. Or at least to business that Putin doesn't care about.

If Putin has a mp3 player, that might explain...

Re:"Laws" in russia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426544)

Correct me if I'm wrong

You're either wrong or there are a lot of naive western investors who don't know there are no laws in Russia. Or maybe Putin just happens to have a lot of friends.

MOSCOW, November 20 (RIA Novosti) - Accrued foreign investment in Russia totaled $130 billion as of October 1, up 34.8% year-on-year, of which $35.3 billion came in January-September, 31.7% more than last year, the Federal Statistics Service said Monday.

Re:"Laws" in russia? (1)

ray-auch (454705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426798)

Putin has a lot of friends, or at least people who play along and don't upset him. Power buys that.

Anyone from the outside investing in Russia should know full well that it is a high-stakes gamble. The state could shut you down at any time - but ont he other hand, Putin can't afford to do that too often since he'd scare all that money away. So you just try to keep your head down and not be one of the ones he picks on.

Re:"Laws" in russia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426590)

You are wrong and ignorant.

Re:"Laws" in russia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426616)

Are you being serious or just trolling?

It depends on this if I should bother to correct you. :-p

Re:"Laws" in russia? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426740)

Well I for one hope Putin uses AllOfMP3 because this means there may be an radioactive solution to all of my RIAA issues and if anyone deserves some 3rd world evil empire justice it's the RIAA. ;)

Re:"Laws" in russia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426752)

Funny, I'd say the same about the United States and Bush:P

(BTW, no European nation talks too badly publicly about Putin or we fear that our heating oil and natural gas supplies from Russia will be cut off.)

Russia is still independent (4, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426356)

last time I checked and considering that they cornered 45% of the space launch business and is the world's largest exporter of oil and gas, the USA needs Russia more than Russia needs the USA, so good luck to the RIAA and their money wasting tactics.

Re:Russia is still independent (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426596)

Yes, but the hebes don't care about the USA; they just want money in their pockets.

Re:Russia is still independent (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426628)

Err...isn't Russia getting lots of money from the IMF and/or World Bank anymore?

Re:Russia is still independent (2, Informative)

The Zon (969911) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426782)

considering that they cornered 45% of the space launch business and is the world's largest exporter of oil and gas, the USA needs Russia more than Russia needs the USA

That's a bit of a jump to make. The USA isn't nearly as dependent on Russian oil and gas as Europe is, and if Russia collapses, the USA can launch satellites on their own just fine. Besides, the Russian economy is too heavily based on natural resources. And even though they're sitting on massive natural gas reserves, they can't deliver enough of the product for their own citizens, because their industry is geared towards export. In the industrial sector, one of Russia's areas of strength in the Soviet era, practically none of its products can compete on the international market. The birth rate has been sharply declining, creating a rapidly increasing median age, which will place an even greater burden on their economy. They've never quite recovered from years of communist stagnation. Overall, the Russian economy is very weak, especially compared to the booming economic growth in China, another massive country that had to make a systemic change from communism to capitalism. And from a diplomatic standpoint, the United States is the world's foremost military and economic power, while Russia's influence has drastically declined since the Soviet Union broke apart. Russia most certainly need the USA more than the USA needs Russia.

Re:Russia is still independent (4, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426898)

the USA needs Russia more than Russia needs the USA, so good luck to the RIAA and their money wasting tactics.
The RIAA has already won the main battle, if not the war
11/29/2006 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061129-8315 .html [arstechnica.com]

The short version:
The U.S. wants Russia to join the World Trade Organization.
One condition is that Russia changes its copyright laws.
Russia agreed.

Whether or not AllOfMP3 is going to get shut down by the Russian Gov't is seemingly still up in the air, but the RIAA got what they wanted: IP reform in Russia.

This should be industry... (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426360)

Let's see how many RIAA people come down with an acute case of radiation sickness. In Russia, the competition comes after you!

Really, you can pay us off in Installments. (1)

RavensDark (321683) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426370)

And if they win, how exactly are they going to pay this stupidly large amount of money. I think the quote to remember is "operating within Russian law".

Re:Really, you can pay us off in Installments. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426492)

Get it to be payable in rubles (at exchange rate as of date of verdict) and slowly pay it off (the post-WWI germany response to Treaty of Versailles). By the time the bulk is due, the value of the currency is a fraction of the original.

Re:Really, you can pay us off in Installments. (1)

Anonymous McCartneyf (1037584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426644)

Correct. If Russia rules out in advance extraditing anyone to another country, even if that (hypothetical) person murdered a citizen of that other country, then Russia certainly won't allow some other country's record industry association to collect enormous fines from one of their own corporations.
The Russian constitution seems to demand that all matters involving Russians be handled by Russia...

How excessive. (5, Informative)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426394)

$1.65trillion is a fair bit more than the GDP of Russia as a whole.

How fucking ludicrous and excessive. Jesus.

Re:How excessive. (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426778)

I think the RIAA want to show the world how to own Russia. Literally...

Re:How excessive. (5, Funny)

dbIII (701233) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426834)

How fucking ludicrous and excessive. Jesus.

You can get crucified for swearing on this site. Pilate.

Meanwhile AllofMp3 offers 20% bonus (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426396)

It is ridiculous (5, Informative)

ntufar (712060) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426398)

Russia's yearly gross domestic product is $1.576 trillion [wikipedia.org] . RIAA's claim is little more than that, $1.65 trillion.

quadrouple dipped (5, Interesting)

mrshowtime (562809) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426404)

I'm all for allofmymp3 and all of it's Russian counterparts. I lost my entire cd and record collection in Katrina and it was the only was to recover my collection instead of repurchasing all of the albums again.
I am old enough to have bought my entire collection on records, tapes, cd's and for as much as I can SACD/HD audio. I am all for contributing to the machine if the records companies release NEW, higher quality recordings in the future, but I'm not repurchasing my cd collection. I've already paid my taxes to the RIAA Gods several times over.

Re:quadrouple dipped (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426482)

Did you also steal another house/car/clothes to replace what was lost in katrina? After all, why should you repurchase those again either!

Not stolen (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426542)

Typically, you are licensed for the music/song/movie -- you only buy the media. If the RIAA wants to take that position, then you do not need to buy new copies. If you are buying the music/song/movie, then you can do what ever you want. Which one do they chose?

Re:Not stolen (2, Informative)

Anonymous McCartneyf (1037584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426956)

Ah, but what are the terms of the licenses the RIAA issues?
Keep in mind that you are talking about the RIAA. It is generally understood that the RIAA and those record companies it represents are capable of almost anything, possibly excluding anything that appears sensible. I should know: I have kept close watch on the activities of an especially eccentric RIAA label for fifteen years...
So, if I were an RIAA record label, I would probably say this:
You the consumer buy only the media; you only license the music; but your license is valid only if you still possess the media.
Evidence for this interpretation: The RIAA requests that if you sell a piece of media that contains RIAA-licensed music, then you must give the back-ups to the person you sold the media to or else destroy the back-ups.
Disclaimers:
I am not an RIAA astroturfer. I came by my interest in their ways of thinking naturally.
I do not approve of everything the RIAA does. I have done things with RIAA material that it would not approve of.

Re:quadrouple dipped (1)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426566)


  i call nonsequiteur. if digital information can be backed up and stored to alleviate a disaster, then this fellow is simply using someone else's storage as his backup.

  also, if someone has a photo of your mom and you lost yours in a flood, wouldn't you want to get a copy of theirs? even if that photo wasn't taken by you, but (say) printed in a magazine. Would you feel unfettered about having to back-order the magazine again, just for that photo?

  Frankly, the Information Age is making digital information easy to copy, store and acquire. HE is the legal owner of that content - the physical presence is superfluous.

Re:quadrouple dipped (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426608)

OK, RIAA astroturfer, what Russian law is allofmp3.com breaking?

Re:quadrouple dipped (4, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426770)

Hey, you know what I REALLY love? How everyone on the internet nowadays that either:

a) has a viewpoint that may be in favor of a corporation/organization that some people don't like (Microsoft, RIAA, Sony, US Government, etc)
or
b) likes a product that's from a corporation that some people don't like (Zune, PS3, etc)

is referred to as an "astroturfer" or "shill". That's quite honestly the worst argument since nazi comparisons, and I say we create a corollary to Godwin's Law just to cover it.

Because, you know, people can't have opposing viewpoints and think for themselves any longer. If they disagree with you, they obviously are being paid to promote that point. (It's especially ironic since so many people get caught up in the Slashdot groupthink.)

Re:quadrouple dipped (3, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426872)

OK, to address the point more directly:

mrshowtime was accused by the esteemed Anonymous Coward (which I referred to as astroturfer) to be stealing, as if depriving someone of belongings.

However, mrshowtime purchased MP3s through a corporate entity which is operating totally in compliance with Russian law. This is aside from mrshowtime's Fair Use right to simply retain backup copies made in accordance with Fair Use.

So, how is the esteemed Anonymous Coward NOT astroturfing for the RIAA, since mrshowtime is going out of his way to replace his music collection without even taking advantage of Fair Use?

I'd argue that mrshowtime may be better off avoiding RIAA materials altogether and buy independent, or listen to classical or talk radio instead, but unfortunately that solution does not work for everyone, due to musical tastes, programming availability, and so forth.

Equating mrshowtime's LEGAL purchases from a corporate entity which is operating LEGALLY to theft of physical goods is not even close to a fair comparison.

Idiot (1)

MicrosoftRepresentit (1002310) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426886)

It must be nice to 'win' all your arguments by just applying labels to everyone who disagrees with you. Anyways, back on topic, allofmp3 might well be perfectly legal, in Russia - but the artists dont get *shit* when you buy your music there. You're the kind of person who loves to point out that often the law isn't whats important, but the morals at the centre of the issue, yet completely ignores any morals at stake when they might stop you doing what you want.
Botom line is, like 90% of posters on Slashdot, your morals are selective, your thinking is entirely predictable, and you argue like a coward.

Re:quadrouple dipped (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426964)

Hey, hey, hold your horses, it takes a while to buy a law in Russia.

Jeesh, no patience those Westerners...

Re:quadrouple dipped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426632)

Another fucktard who doesn't understand information as a public and private good. The person replaced lost goods (that were previously PURCHASED) in an online setting, and therefore did not deprive the good of anyone else. And since CDs are sold as information, rather than the physical cd, it is a person's right to replace it (since access to the information is already owned).

Check out Lievrouw's "Information and Equity" for a nice summation of the main approaches to conceptualizing information (all of which support this person's method of acquiring the information).

Re:quadrouple dipped (-1, Troll)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426518)

Ok, I download mp3s as much as the next guy, and I never pay a dime to the record companies, so I'm all for piracy and I freely admit I rip these guys off.

However, your line of reasoning sounds like you're trying to justify stealing. You're saying: "I had these CDs, I lost them, so I'm entitled to a new copy". But tell me, if someone steals your car, does that give you the right to take someone else's to replace it because you had already paid for the car? Or perhaps a better analogy, since comparing stealing data and stealing physical objects isn't quite the same thing: say you lost a good book you hadn't finished: does that give you the right to download the content of the book somewhere and print it off? I think not.

Admit it man: you steal music just like the rest of us. Just admit it, it'll be better than trying to come up with reasons why you feel you're entitled to steal it.

are you kidding? (4, Interesting)

anomaly (15035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426592)

You *must* be trolling, right? If so, I guess I'm falling for it.

He bought a legitimate license, lost his original copies in a natural disaster, and then downloaded replacements - and that's the moral equivalent of your download without purchasing any license? I don't see it.

In his model, the money was paid to the copyright holder, and presumably some of that money made its way to the artist. When he downloaded replacements, he cost the copyright holder nothing, and only deprived them of the opportunity to charge him for an additional copy.

I'm not saying what he did was morally right, but it's a darn close to acceptable in my book. I'm frankly uncertain of what I'd do in that situation. I keep an off site mp3 version of all of my legitimately purchased music, so I'm less exposed in the case of a natural disaster. It seems ridiculous to suggest that he should pay full price to have access to something he already paid full price for.

I think it would be a good idea for you to pay for music. After all, if no one pays for music, there's no money to pay artists at all, regardless of the fairness of the contracts and the distribution mechanisms.

Respectfully,
Anomaly

Re:quadrouple dipped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426806)

say you lost a good book you hadn't finished: does that give you the right to download the content of the book somewhere and print it off?

Actually that analogy is fine. I would say that's a perfectly reasonable and moral thing to do. (The car analogy is not fair because you are depriving someone of a costly physical object, whereas with information no-one is losing anything when you print off that copy.)

Re:quadrouple dipped (5, Insightful)

eric76 (679787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426912)

Copyright violations aren't theft.

Theft implies that you took something from someone else resulting in their loss of the use of the item.

For example, if you steal my car, you have deprived me of the use of that car.

Re:quadrouple dipped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426916)

...say you lost a good book you hadn't finished: does that give you the right to download the content of the book somewhere and print it off?
Yes, yes of course it does.

Re:quadrouple dipped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426698)

"I lost my entire cd and record collection in Katrina and it was the only was to recover my collection instead of repurchasing all of the albums again."
What you didn't have replacement insurance? Guess you didn't care about your "collection" that much.

"I've already paid my taxes to the RIAA Gods several times over."
I feel the same way about food - fuck it, I've paid enough to the grocery stores.

Stop rationalizing - you're breaking the law to benefit yourself. It's that simple.

Demonstratably completely insane... (0, Redundant)

Phs2501 (559902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426412)

This is an batshit insane amount of money to ask for. According to here [cia.gov] , this is more than Russia's 2005 GDP by any measure.

Shows the Absurdity (3, Informative)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426440)

I know that most of us on slashdot realize how absurd the RIAA and MPAA's claims are about the losses caused by piracy, but if this is publicized I think that it could go a long way toward aptly demonstrating the absurdity of their claims.
I mean, I don't think anyone, except apparently the RIAA lawers, could possibly believe that in a few months- or even in a year or two, one single (not all that well known) russian website caused the RIAA to lose over a trillion dollars in revenue.

Re:Shows the Absurdity (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426496)

But it got the RIAA's "war" listed in the media which is worth more to them than anything. As long as it keeps people afraid of downloading music anywhere (yes, even iTS) they are happier.

The more control they can exert over the general population, the better off they think they are.

Re:Shows the Absurdity (5, Informative)

kebes (861706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426612)

Indeed. According to the RIAA's stats: http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/pdf/2005yrEndS tats.pdf [riaa.com] (warning: PDF), the total industry is something on the order of 12 billion $US per year. How can they claim with a straight face that the *damages* are about 100 times greater than the size of the industry being damaged?

As you said, I hope this gets publicized because it really demonstrates how ridiculous the dollar value associated with infringement really is.

Re:Shows the Absurdity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426702)

There's loads of people posting things like this. Are you even remotely familiar with copyright law? Nobody is saying that they've lost this much money. Not even the RIAA lawyers. The $150,000 per song includes punitive/exemplary damages, which are awarded to discourage future infringement, not to compensate for loss.

No. This is NOT a good thing for us. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426718)

All it will do is increase the level of fear amongst the unwashed masses. In their minds this just reinforces the belief that the **AA have the power to do anything to anybody. And unfortunately it's hard to argue with that.

Will somebody please... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426446)

get on with the obligatory Dr. Evil quotes?

trillion (5, Informative)

Swimport (1034164) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426450)

Where do they get these numbers? This is over 10% of the GDP of the USA, and 333 times the amount gross retail music sales in 2005. I wonder if the US court will take this companies .com domains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_music_market [wikipedia.org]

Re:trillion (3, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426634)

Where do they get these numbers?

They pull them out of their ass. $150k/song is complete BS. I just don't understand how a judge would look at that and be like, "Hmmm yeah that seems perfectly logical. Go with it!" AllOfMP3 should just send them 1500 Russian dog poos with a note that says something like, "We arbitrarily value each of these pieces of crap at US$1000000. We're square."

Re:trillion (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426672)

``Where do they get these numbers? This is over 10% of the GDP of the USA, and 333 times the amount gross retail music sales in 2005.''

Wow. It would be quite a coup if the RIAA actually got an injunction against AllOfMP3...even for one percent of what they're asking. Suddenly, they will get an undeniable boost in income from what they see as illegal activities...

Re:trillion (2, Interesting)

cfulmer (3166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426942)

"In a case where the copyright owner sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that infringement was committed willfully, the court in its discretion may increase the award of statutory damages to a sum of not more than $150,000." 17 U.S.C. 504(c)(2). 504(c)(1) says that this is available "with respect to any one work." Infringe 11 million works and that's $1.65T.

Of course, they won't GET this -- the minimum damage award is $750 per work, or about $8B. (It drops to $200 if allofmp3.com proves that it had to reason to know it was infringing.) Even more, though, "all the parts of a compilation . . . constitute one work." This could be interpreted to mean that the per-infringement damages are *per album*, not *per track*.

The interesting thing in the case is whether a US court can acquire personal jurisdiction over the company that would allow them to even HEAR the suit.

Want to bet (4, Interesting)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426454)

That when all is said and done, one of the things the RIAA will walk away with a list of customers who used the service?

Re:Want to bet (1)

Teresita (982888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426534)

That when all is said and done, one of the things the RIAA will walk away with a list of customers who used the service?

Yeah, here you go RIAA, here's a list of customers who used allofmp3.com:
armsrace badboybernie badbrad badbug badegg ballsakkie baybowl bigben bigboy bigheadedfrog bigmouth bigsurf bigsurfdude bigwave bigwavedude biscuit_from_mars bluewaterbigwavedave bogroll bollsbrandy bonzabay brookietrax busby chilli_pepper...

Re:Want to bet (1)

EonBlueApocalypse (1029220) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426640)

Wouldn't they get the billing information?

Re:Want to bet (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426722)

You would think they would match up "armsrace" with "Jon Smith"'s credit card info - which maps to a physical address. None of the Visa action was anonymous. Might be able to do some clever proxy stuff with paypal, but I'd be worried if I bought anything from AllOfMP3. In the past, they take the IP addresses and other stuff from the 'free' stuff - so this would give them much better quality targets than the fishing trips they are taking with the P2P stuff.

Re:Want to bet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17427012)

None of the Visa action was anonymous.

I don't know about you but all of my internet activity goes through a proxy and my on-line purchases go through a Visa gift card which can be purchased with cash at stores all over the nation. Not that I've ever so much as viewed the allofmp3.com web site.

Re:Want to bet (1)

EonBlueApocalypse (1029220) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426610)

I'm guessing they would only be going after US customers if they happen to get a list? I used that service a while ago, though for hard to find albums from obscure European bands but I guess it still wouldn't be much of a surprise if everyone on that list were targeted by them.

Come sue my ass (0, Offtopic)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426666)

I dare you.

Re:Come sue my ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426836)

Oh, that'll scare them away. Yep, that's them in the corner cowering in fear of a slashdotter.

AllofMP3 should just settle... (4, Funny)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426458)

...by repaying them with $1.65 trillion worth of Russian intellectual property.

I'm sure the Russian government would be willing to make an official valuation of the complete works of Joseph Stalin as worth $1.65 trillion.

Then AllofMP3 could repay the RIAA by licensing them to the RIAA.

Problem solved.

Imagine downloading the audiobook version from the iTunes Music Store.

Re:AllofMP3 should just settle... (4, Interesting)

Aeiedil (1045712) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426502)

I am curious how the RIAA reach the conclusion that each download causes $150,000 in losses, if you take the fact that you can download a track with unquestionable legality from iTunes for under a quid ( $2) then that leaves up to $149,998 unaccounted for. Do their lawyers really cost that much?

Re:AllofMP3 should just settle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426620)

I wonder if the RIAA has paid royalties on russian folk songs like Shchedryk [ffn.ub.es] lately? Just like Disney, steal from the public domain, and then sue anyone who dares repeat the performance again without their permission.

Re:AllofMP3 should just settle... (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426958)

I had a joke about the RIAA learning something, but I think they have already surpassed him.

Russia's GDP is only... (0, Redundant)

EonBlueApocalypse (1029220) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426494)

As of 2005 Russia's GDP was 1.58 Trillion Dollars [cia.gov] . I'm not sure how the RIAA expects that amount to be paid.

Given that... (1)

Cadallin (863437) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426506)

The United States isn't that great a place to visit (or live) anyway, I'd say the best defense to this is just to Flip the RIAA the bird, and never enter US soil. Problem solved.

Of course, in the broader sense, this really creating a very interesting disparity in International law. The USA, along with some corrupt nations in South America, are fast becoming refuges for international criminals convicted/awaiting conviction in the International Court for War Crimes (*Cough* George W. Bush *Cough* who recently purchased a 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay). The rest of world, on the other hand, is becoming a haven for people avoiding prosecution under US IP law. Living in the United States, I'd say we're definately getting the shitty end of the stick on this bargain.

Whoa! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426710)

Just like all the Naz-

Phew. That was a close call. ;)

But seriously, wtf? I googled briefly and got this --> http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/10/14/11 926/843 [politicalcortex.com]

Got any MSM links (though I wouldn't be surprised if there were none, true or not)?

International law.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426918)

International law is mainly a game of diplomatic arm twisting, and this could get very ugly if the US isn't careful.

Russia has quite a few energy resources as well, and it's already demonstrated that Russia is not shy of using that power when it needs it (a bit like the US military power, but more subtle and with less ugly after effects).

At the moment, Mastercard and Visa are playing the "do as we tell you or you will not be able to play with the US" card, but by doing so they may well break international trade agreements, and the US is forgetting that especially Europe is (a) dependent on Russian gas and (b) not exactly fond of the US habit of abusing monopolies anyway (MS is a good example).

What can thus happen is that AllofMP3 could set itself up as a political toy breaking a US stranglehold on the market, and if that happens I'd sit well back as the fallout could be far uglier than the RIAA (and MPAA) can imagine.

Do you really think for one moment that Putin will allow the US to dictate the laws in his country? All AllofMP3 needs to do is to ask Putin to cosy up to either the EU (if it gets its act a bit more together) or China (who have the same lack of eagerness to see the US dictate what they should do) and settle this matter and the game will be over for the RIAA.

Even Bush isn't stupid enough to risk major international fallout over something like the RIAA, and AllofMP3 has enough buyers to prove that, well, probably the rest of teh planet is quite willing to pay for music if the price makes sense. That's also still the best way to beat privacy. Remove the economic benefits of piracy and piracy is no more, but that would leave quite a few people out of work, lawyers, 'investigators', MediaSentry. Now THAT is worth examining as a separate motivator..

Just my 2 cents..

RIAA leadership (4, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426510)

This amounts to roughly $1.65 trillion

Proof once again that the RIAA is run by Dr. Evil.

Wouldnt it be cheaper and faster to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426560)

Your local public libraries carries a tons of CD that you can borrow for FREE
and rip it to your best MP3. I'm wondering when RIAA is going after the local
public library

Re:Wouldnt it be cheaper and faster to (1)

Teresita (982888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426626)

Your local public libraries carries a tons of CD that you can borrow for FREE and rip it to your best MP3. I'm wondering when RIAA is going after the local public library

Now you know why the Patriot Act lets the guv'mint look at what items you checked out from the library.

Re:Wouldnt it be cheaper and faster to (1)

tehSpork (1000190) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426732)

"Your local public libraries carries a tons of CD that you can borrow for FREE and rip it to your best MP3. I'm wondering when RIAA is going after the local public library."

The libraries can't do anything about it, it's faulty media that allows the ripping to occur in the first place. And it does happen, we used to have a guy who would sit in the library where I work and rip CDs on his laptop without even checking them out.

The RIAA won't go after public libraries, it's bad PR. That would be just as bad as suing a grandmother who doesn't even own a computer for music piracy. Wait a minute...

Hmm. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426578)

THEIR SUING POWER IS OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426650)

You people are just amazing... just wow... the liberalism in Slashdot is hitting critical and moving toward idiosy. I hate the RIAA as much as the next person but they are well within their rights to sue allofmp3 for everything they have. I don't care if they are "legal" in Russia, because they are using the US's content. Obviously they arn't really trying to get 1.6 trillion so just calm down. It's common in trials to go for the maximum pentaliy and this no different.

For the good of the planet ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426654)

... somebody please nuke RIAA HQ.

Humanity just doesn't deserve the shit that those lawyers have in their heads.

And to any lawyers who may be reading this ... why are you not stopping these "colleagues" of yours from their unrestrained rape of not just the afluent west but the world at large?

If you continue to do nothing, then don't complain when lawyers are regarded as parasitic scum by the rest of society.

I'd imagine the payment goes something like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426656)

RIAA: What is this, where's all the money?
Russia: That's as good as money sir. Those are IOUs.
Russia: Look, $125,000. Might want to keep that one.

One possible hilarious response (2, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426664)

A hilarious response would be if the Russian government would now confirm that Allofmp3 operated within the country's laws.

And... (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426860)

Ask for the WTO to censure the US and the RIAA for coercive business tactics.

Better yet, allow the unrestricted imposition of punitive tarrifs on all RIAA member company merchandise by all WTO member countries.

Whatever (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426716)

I'm afraid that whatever the RIAA does, and whatever the figure in damages they're claiming, it doesn't mean diddly squat.

Not to RIAA: There are no fucking laws whatsoever in Russia, and no way of claiming anything against AllofMP3.

Their best and most thoughtful bet would be to collaborate with AllofMP3, support them and take their cut out of the whole thing that way, because they have absolutely zero chance of getting at them in any other way.

Naive western investors and lawyers still laughably believe that they can go and sue people over there.

Screw them both. (3, Insightful)

remove office (871398) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426720)

Okay, it's gonna be unpopular and I'll get modded as a troll probably, but I've got to say it.

I'm not a big fan of the RIAA, but I'm also not a big fan of AllofMP3. Yes, it's legal in Russia (through a loophole in radio licensing they're trying to close), but not here in the US.

A ton of Slashdotters use it because they think it's a good business model and they feel like they're doing something legal because they're paying for music. Sure it's a nice business model- the way they calculate the price you pay by measuring the amount you're downloading in MBs, but they money that goes to AllofMP3 doesn't end up in the artist's hands any more than it does when you pay money to a record label by buying music on a CD here in the USA (in fact less: none to be exact). Sure, you can complain all you want about the evil RIAA and how they don't give enough money to artists, and boycott them all you like. But the truth is artists get NO money from AllofMP3 (instead of an unfair tiny amount from the RIAA). They're just profiting off of other people's work. Like the RIAA but worse. Instead of a tiny amount of money going to the artists, the moeny goes instead entirely to the proprietors of AllofMP3 (who are rumored to be connected to the Russian mafia, by the way).

Re:Screw them both. (4, Informative)

ColaMan (37550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426936)

AllOfMP3 gives their required amount as required by Russian law to the Russian equivalent of the RIAA, who then is supposed to distribute it to all the needy artists under their wing. While the method is considered a loophole as such, it's still perfectly legal under Russian law.

And I believe the Record Industry Association of America is just a little bit out of it's jurisdiction here. Hence the stupid filing in an American court. Try that kind of scare tactic in Russia and as people have already mentioned, AllOfMP3 would simply pay the local mafia a small sum to make the problem.... disappear.

Re:Screw them both. (4, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426996)

Not a troll, you have a valid point, but I'm curious which of the two would you rather we support?

From the information on their website, it appears that they pay a fixed percentage of sales to royalties. Registered artists, I presume, get royaties - I haven't looked into their financials, so I can't verify that. I don't read Russian either, so I probably couldn't figure it out even if I had the paperwork. The RIAA doesn't like the terms, so they don't want to play. Artists don't enter into it - they don't own their work. IF they did, they could hire a lawyer to do the paperwork, and get their money.

On a personal, philosophical level...

I'm all for compulsory licensing of any published creative work. Don't want it available? Don't publish it.

This would "fix" the Disney vault problem, and allow works to be re-published for a fixed fee. Presumably, original content owners could still create premium content by republishing with value added features. Most of the movie houses already re-release a title several times to get people to re-buy.

As for starving artists, I say get off you lazy asses, out of the studio, and go entertain in person. If your contract forbids such work...well, you signed the contract, yo ulive with the consequences. If you don't like it, go work 9-5 like everyone else. You're not required to make music to live.

How do they pay it ? (2, Interesting)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426738)

I've seen a handfull of people wondering how they would pay such a fine if ruled against, simple, they wouldn't.
Suits of this nature are filed knowing full well there's no way the entity could possibly fullfill the terms, which cripples the entity & ensures they can not recover & continue business as usual.

Funny thing is, if ruled against, I could see allofmp3 flipflopping & silently going bankrupt through their US counterpart somehow, then starting all over again.

Sue for who? (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426766)

Sue for a Trillian? Why the hell would they do that? Especially after she fell for that stupid... "I'm from another planet. Wanna see my space ship?" line. I mean geesh.... she wasn't even that hot.

Best music store buissness model? (1)

donaldGuy (969269) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426804)

Why is it that the best online music store (in terms of reasonable price, freedom of use, and audio quality) is the one of questionable legality? I doubt it'd be effective, but I'd like to see the EFF or similar get involved with somehow using allofmp3 as an example of a reasonable distribution model.. because seriously .. this is the best system I have heard of. Anybody else agree?

RIAA stands for *what*? (5, Insightful)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426812)

Surely the "R" doesn't stand for "Recording". Must be for "Racketeering"

The Racketeering Industry Association of America. Thats more like it.

A trill-what? (1)

Conti (914631) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426822)

A trill-what dollar? Is that money? I never found such a coin in my wallet. Let me have another look, I just got some change from the grocery...

RIAA vs credit card companies? (3, Interesting)

heretic108 (454817) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426848)

Anyone want to speculate that RIAA might start taking action against credit card companies who process payments to websites such as AllOfMP3.com?

If AllOfMP3.com gets shut down permanently, another cheap MP3 site can just spring up in its place.

But if credit card companies are ordered to block payments to such sites, and regularly updated about each new naughty 'infringing' site, that just might start to seriously disrupt the business models of such sites.

Re:RIAA vs credit card companies? (1)

Watson Ladd (955755) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426974)

Then EGold gets a lot more use and exposure.

Re:RIAA vs credit card companies? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 7 years ago | (#17427002)

I'm so confused.

I thought this had already begun, and I thought Allofmp3 was already partially shut. This is not a dupe, it's like an alternate reality.

Someone please clarify all this.

Ummmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426874)

the RIAA will be seeking the maximum of $150,000 per song for each of the 11 million MP3s downloaded from the Russian AllofMP3.com between June and October last year.

Does the RIAA realize that many Russian businesses are owned by ex-KGB and by Russian mobsters?

The RIAA bigwigs may get a sturgeon head in their bed one night.

suing the wrong people? (4, Insightful)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 7 years ago | (#17426880)

So why isn't the RIAA suing the RIAA equivalent body that AllofMP3 paid fees to, you know, the ones who are supposed to be taking care of all of the copyright stuff? Russian law dictates that AllofMP3 go through that body, which they did. If RIAA has a problem, they need to address it there.

The RIAA should chat with Alexander Litvinenko ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426906)

Oops, they can't, can they ?

Maybe the RIAA should stick to going after defenseless single mothers, because it's just
not smart to fuck with the Russkis. They have their own rules : there ARE no rules.

Don't believe me ? Ask Mr. Markov ...

Income? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17426960)

"Mediaservices' sites sell millions of songs by their artists without paying them 'a dime' for the right to do so."
"As part of their claim, the labels are seeking $150,000 USD for each of the 11 million songs that were downloaded from June to October 2006 from the AllofMP3.com website.

If hell freezes over and they do get paid $150,000 for each song.
That would be one hell of a Tax windfall for the government.

I put my trust in the Russian mafia (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#17427010)

Let's be blunt here, that biz makes money, so it's likely that those guys have their fingers in it. Now, when you've tried to shut down a Spammer or a trojan host based in Russia, you know that you're fighting windmills. Because ... well, guess whose they are?

I've had my share of 'fights' with them, so I know they are a formidable enemy. And I can only hope that they are behind AAMP3, too. Because then, we'll see what happens when two criminal cartels clash.

I'll bring the popcorn.
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