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UFOs In the News

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the green-and-the-gray dept.

Sci-Fi 449

Several readers have let us know about a report on MSNBC that France's space agency has announced plans to publish its archive of UFO sightings in a month or so. The archive includes some 6,000 reports relating to around 1,600 incidents over 30 years. In a separate development, many readers have sent in word of the reported UFO that at least six United Airlines workers saw over Chicago's O'Hare International Airport last November. National Public Radio picked up the story with an interview with the Chicago Trib reporter who wrote about it yesterday. United is, strangely, denying that any such incident was ever brought up. The FAA admits there was an incident but is not investigating it.

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US Airspace full enough already (2, Interesting)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 7 years ago | (#17437932)

It is busy enough up there already isn't it, without aliens hogging the airways?

Re:US Airspace full enough already (5, Funny)

Lithdren (605362) | more than 7 years ago | (#17437962)

But these aliens may be illegal, or terrorists, or maybe even Iraqi!

I for one welcome our unidentified overlords...I think, Im not really sure who they are yet. Where'd I leave my foil hat...

Re:US Airspace full enough already (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438022)

I for one welcome our unidentified overlords..

Unidentified Flying Overlords ... that is a good one :) :)

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438006)

Exactly the point of the United Employees- though I have to wonder, given the flight characteristics of your standard comercial jet liner, how an object estimated to be hovering 1900 feet over the runway is in anybody's flight path- it usually takes 2-3 miles to climb that high, and similar profile on landing.

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438116)

Pattern altitude is 800 - 1200 ft... 1900 is too close, especially unregulated.

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438164)

Yes- but you usually fly your pattern *around* the airport, not right smack dab over the runways, at least, not until you're ready to *land* or *take off* in which case by definition you're going to be flying *below* 800 feet, as at that time you're going to be leaving the pattern behind.

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438200)

The FAA takes a dim view of unregulated TCA transients...

Re:US Airspace full enough already (4, Informative)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438382)

Yes- but you usually fly your pattern *around* the airport, not right smack dab over the runways, at least, not until you're ready to *land* or *take off* in which case by definition you're going to be flying *below* 800 feet, as at that time you're going to be leaving the pattern behind.

Aircraft transiting over an airport like O'Hare are vectored directly OVER the airport. When I've done it (albeit at other airports), I was directed to follow the cross-wind runway that is more or less perpendicular to the active runway(s).

This keeps the transiting aircraft directly above the aircraft ON THE GROUND, but out of the airspace used for landing and takeoff. 1900 feet is a bit low for that, but I've made the transit at no more than 4000 feet AGL.

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438136)

What if the pilot wants to loop back around and strafe the airport? Those aliens are floating right in the way of our in-flight entertainment!

Re:US Airspace full enough already (2, Funny)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438190)

I'd hope that at that point you'd be flying at 200-300 feet, to increase the accuracy of your guns or to actually hit the control tower. You're not going to be strafing anything from 1900 feet....bombing maybe but not strafing.

Re:US Airspace full enough already (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438600)

I'll betcha phasors are a bit more accurate.

SNIFF MY ANUS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438178)

and like my balls while you're there.

xxx

Re: oops (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438244)

lick.

Thank God I posted anonymously. This could have been embarrassing.

The truth is out there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17437940)

[Cue theme music.]

I, For One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17437946)

Well I, for one, was going to welcome our new alien overlords, but apparently they've already been here 6,000 times.

From CNN (5, Funny)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 7 years ago | (#17437966)

At least one O'Hare controller, union official Craig Burzych, was amused by it all.

"To fly 7 million light years to O'Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable," he said.

Re:From CNN (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438050)

Guess they failed to file that all important flight plan- they weren't expected and O'Hare Gate C17 was occupied by the United Flight being directed by the guy who first saw the saucer.

Re:From CNN (4, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438060)

Re:From CNN (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438266)

They must of been looking at the big Interchange near there
Yeah, and tried to decipher the hieroglyphics. Just like the Nazca lines [wikipedia.org] .

Re:From CNN (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438472)

Oddly enough, it actually works when you're on the ground.

Like the second link says, it keeps traffic moving surprisingly well, and the signs are done well enough that even a first timer has a good chance of ending up where he wants to be.

Re:From CNN (3, Funny)

lottameez (816335) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438278)

And the connecting UFO-Airways flight was probably delayed coming out of Newark.

Re:From CNN (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438348)

Burzych? Of *course* he'd say that. Does that name sound human to you?

Aliens, ghosts, and gods never leave evidence ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17437976)

But you will never have trouble finding a host of gullibles and nutcases that will claim otherwise ....

Good going, France! (-1, Flamebait)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 7 years ago | (#17437990)

Why worry about relevant issues to their national security like an invading mob of Muslim youths waging war on their infrastructure (and winning) when they can declassify documents about unsubstantiated crap and temporarily distract their citizens and the world from their rapidly approaching destruction?

Brilliant!

Re:Good going, France! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438214)

invading mob of muslim youths waging war on their infrastructure

  OH NOES! TEH SWARHTY BROWN HORDEZES!

  Sorry, but the riots were about institutionalized racism in France, they were not some kind of a covert religious war. Most of the youths you identify as "muslim youths" consider themselves as not very religious. What they do have is a lot of free-floating anger at a society that invited their parents in to clean swimming pools and tend gardens, only to discover that there are French citizens, and then there are "French citizens."
  With little opportunities for honest work, constant belittlement by societal elites, and repressive police tactics that give cops a pass on bad things happening to brown people, you tend to get street gangs and race riots. In France, they tend to be reasonably polite race riots, where damage is almost entirely to property rather than people. Weird, but whatever.

  But you go on and worry about the Coming Islamic Invasion. Somebody needs to buy the Free Republic Secret Decoder Rings.

Re:Good going, France! (1)

Salvance (1014001) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438358)

This is just the French's way of getting some publicity. They'll probably come out with 6,000 drawings on napkins and cardboard cutouts of alien ships ... as the French say "Un Anglais mort est toujours meilleur que livre de beurre, excepté sur des baguettes".

I thought France (1)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438366)

WAS a UFO...

Re:Good going, France! (2, Insightful)

oohshiny (998054) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438416)

Why worry about relevant issues to their national security like an invading mob of Muslim youths waging war on their infrastructure (and winning) when they can declassify documents about unsubstantiated crap and temporarily distract their citizens and the world from their rapidly approaching destruction?

Most of what goes by the name of "national security" is also distracting crap; "invading mobs of Muslim youths" and airplanes crashing into skyscrapers simply are not high on the list of things likely to kill you. The things people ought to worry about and that kill them and others, they like to forget about and are all too happy to be distracted from: nutrition, traffic accidents, poverty, civilian killings during war, global warming, etc.

mo3 up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17437994)

Re:mo3 up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438202)

You forgot your html tag. Try to keep with the times!

UFO vs. alien spacecraft (5, Insightful)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438002)

A while back I was reading some book of short stories by Arthur C. Clarke, and in an essay between stories, he described the time he saw a U.F.O. I was taken aback. Here's an author who practically invented "hard sci-fi," talking about seeing a U.F.O. By the end of the essay he mentioned what it turned out to be (I forget what, exactly, but it was something mundane and Earth-based). But at the time, "UFO" was the appropriate term, not because he thought it was a spacecraft, but because he couldn't figure out what it was.

That left an impression on me. People tend to use "UFO" as a shorthand for alien spacecraft... but when you get down to it, "Unidentified Flying Object" refers to anything unidentified that you see in the sky. A segment of a sun halo, a satellite, an odd cloud, a distant airplane with the sun glinting off of it... The same would apply to the "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" term used in the O'Hare article.

Conversely, if alien spacecraft are ever verified, they wouldn't really be UFOs, would they?

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (4, Interesting)

s31523 (926314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438176)

You know, this is a very good point. I used to work at a place, long before mainstream UAVs, UCAVs and the like, and they had something that when people saw it flying around would call it a UFO. It would hover, move directly vertical, then fly horizontal and turned on a dime. Anyone not in the know seeing this crazy thing fly would call it a UFO and be right, and it certainly wasn't an alien space craft I assure you. I can just imagine all the crazy projects various government agencies and third party companies have going on that result in UFO sightings.

People just want to think these weird flying things are aliens visiting us. But honestly, if YOU were an alien, with this fantastic technology to fly hundreds of light years to visit another planet with life on it, would you just fly by some stuff then go home? Hell, I wouldn't drive 60 miles look at something and turn around and come home.

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438432)

I have basicially the same opinion as you. I did see one interesting theory in a video here [google.com] though. About 13:20 into the video it mentions a theory about how they believe there is another planet like Earth that orbits the sun on another plane, but comes near earth every ~3K years or so. I don't really think we have put much thought into this possibility.

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438458)

My guess is if it is Alien life, they are looking for signs of intelligent life. Seeing as they're looking at the AIRPORT, intelligent life might be hard to find, and makes me question just how much smarter they are.

I think I see bulldozers outside my house. Is today Tuesday?

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (1, Interesting)

illegalcortex (1007791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438504)

I don't know... maybe it's like when you drive through the national parks with the bears and you stay in the car. Maybe they really did pop by just to take a peek. And who says they came just to visit us and then went back home. Maybe we were just on the way to some other place they were going. Kind of like when you're on the road trip and just have to stop and have a look at the giant dinosaur sculpture in front of some random restaurant.

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (3, Interesting)

emagery (914122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438510)

Absolutely... heck, consider the fact that the f-117a was just RETIRED and b2 is public knowledge... that means that they have and probably have had better for a while now. Even the most seasoned military enthusiasts would be thrown for a loop seeing something not officially on the books yet.

Anyhow, I just saw me a UFO about 3.5hr ago... A bright white light made a clear and straight path across the sky and was brighter than the full moon which was in view at the time... we speculated that it was the ISS (can't imagine what else would be up there that could be as damn bright down here) but the ISS tracker said it was over the indian ocean at the time (maine here).

Satellite trackers showed that a satellite ORBCOMM 5 was headed over at that time and was going in same direction, but usually you have to straight just to barely notice the motion of a standard satellite... this thing was glaring. My guess was that it was catching sunlight just right... but while I have some theories, it certainly remains unidentified at this time =)

I'm sure there's quite a LOT of life out there in the galaxy (of over 200 billion stars)... and if you think about it, broadcast commercial radio just turned a 100 years old... I dunno what kind of strength it takes for these signals to get out beyond the heliosheath or terminal shock at the outer reaches of the solar system (but I suppose they must if Voyager 1 is still getting singals)... but assuming they do, anything passing within 100 lightyears of earth would hear us. That's 14,600 stars roughly, not including passersby. Its not completely unimaginable that we've attracted some attention. Whether or not they are here is beyond my ability to prove, but I cannot deny that it is a fun topic.

Re:UFO vs. alien spacecraft (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438574)

> But honestly, if YOU were an alien, with this fantastic technology to fly hundreds of light
> years to visit another planet with life on it, would you just fly by some stuff then go home?

But honestly, if YOU were a human, with this fantastic technology to travel thousands of miles to visit another continent with other humans on it, would you just take photos of a stolen lawn gnome in front of various landmarks then go home?

> People just want to think these weird flying things are aliens visiting us.

The mistake isn't in assuming that aliens are visiting us. The mistake is in assuming that it is the _intelligent_ aliens that are visiting us. ;)

Name Change (1)

frinkster (149158) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438010)

Welcome to O'Hare Intergalactic Airport.

Yes, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438206)

won't they lose business when the hyperspatial express route is built?

No Offense (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438016)

No offense to those who believe in UFOs but come on, what's this nonsense about employees complaining that it's not being investigated more. Obviously it wasn't spotted on RADAR, and the description sounds like something I saw a while ago...a cloud. Why should United take this seriously? 10 people say they saw a UFO, people do that all the time. The Tribune makes it sound like the government and United are ignoring a huge threat. Frankly, even if it was a UFO, the government shouldn't waste it's time investigating it. The moment the government starts investigating every UFO sighting out there, even just ever group sighting, a ton of money is going to be spent on a something futile...oh wait...it already...

Re:No Offense (1)

Mogster (459037) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438080)

Looks like the MIB are slipping. Either that or those 10 had their eyes closed when the flashy-thingy(tm) was used.

'Now what you saw was a perfectly natural weather phenomenon. Go home, grab a beer and bitch about the shitty weather we've been having lately'

What about employee safety? (3, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438086)

Many people saw something and United is unable to give a reasonable explanation for what it was. This might not be a huge threat, it surely is a potential and perceived threat. That nothing showed up on radar is surely more of a worry. It means that the radar is not able to see everything there and surely leaves passenger and flight staff safety in question.

Re:What about employee safety? (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438526)

Why should United (or even the government) be able to give an explanation? The whole point behind UFOs is that they are unexplained aerial phenomena. I'm not surprised the witnesses have no idea what happened. Some years ago I came out on slashdot and posted about a UFO experience I had back in 1994. Here is a link to that:

http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=48139&ci d=4930168 [slashdot.org]

I have no idea what I witnessed. Why should anyone else? By its definition, a UFO is something one sees but cannot touch - and happens unpredictably. There's no science here, because there's no reproducibility. But that doesn't mean it isn't a physical phenomena. Take note of Ball Lightning: For years skeptics claimed Ball lighting wasn't real, but was caused by misinterpretation of optical illusions by the witnesses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning [wikipedia.org]

Ball Lighting has now been reproduced in the lab. Which doesn't mean UFOs represent alien visitation. Only that skepticism - like belief - has limitations in describing the universe.

Re:What about employee safety? (1)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438658)

It means that the radar is not able to see everything there and surely leaves passenger and flight staff safety in question.
I don't think we are in much danger from tricks of the light. The effects are generally pyschological, not physical.

how about a little money? (5, Funny)

mateomiguel (614660) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438142)

The moment the government starts investigating every UFO sighting out there, even just ever group sighting, a ton of money is going to be spent on a something futile...oh wait...it already...


True, the government should not spend a lot of time and effort investigating unusual phenomena that may or may not have happened. But the government can just spend a little bit of money. Perhaps ten or twenty people in a government agency, say the FBI, were to be assigned to strange and unusual cases such as this. They could be called unknown-variable-files, or unusual-files, or, say, x-files. Well, actually 10 people would be too many. It would be better to try, say, 5, or perhaps even just 2. Yeah, a 2 man team, investigating cases that no one else can solve, working for the FBI. Or even better yet, make it one man and one woman for more sexual tension!

I think this idea could work, folks!

Re:No Offense (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438196)

I would agree with except that you seem to not grasp that this was restricted airspace over one of the nation's busiest airports. Just because it wasn't spotted on radar doesn't mean there wasn't someone solid there. For instance, was the object too close to the radar to register?, was it in a blind spot?, can the radar even detect small objects?, etc. The witnesses reported an atmospheric disturbance due to the object and fast acceleration which would rule out a cloud, so there is enough evidence to investigate. But, even if it were an 'atmospheric effect' it should also be investigated. We don't want planes flying through fast unknown atmospheric effects.

Re:No Offense (1)

drpimp (900837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438598)

"Obviously it wasn't spotted on RADAR"

I pretty much agree with you, 10 people seeing something would not make me believe them nor be grounds for spending a bunch of money investigating (perhaps 10 different video clips of the same phenomenon could get me wondering though assuming they weren't doctored). But the above is a bold statement. **IF** there are UFOs, being able to fly millions of light years with technology so advanced, I am 100% sure they could avoid RADAR. I would take it even a step further, maybe they aren't even millions of light years away, perhaps they are in our same galaxy and already avoiding our RADAR on a much larger scale (ie. telescopes/scanners of all kinds)

UFO != Alien necessarily (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438036)

"Unidentified" means just that. Until it's been identified as an alien spaceship, it could just as well be the spaghetti monster. I don't know why everyone assumes just because humans can't identify something in the sky it MUST be aliens. Humans have terrible long range vision and generally very poor video recording devices. Most people probably can't identify something 1 mile in front of them on the ground.

Re:UFO != Alien necessarily (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438082)

Humans have terrible long range vision and generally very poor video recording devices. Most people probably can't identify something 1 mile in front of them on the ground.

      Pfft. Even if you can't hear him, Rush Limbaugh leaves little to the imagination at a mile.

Alien != Little green men from space necessarily (3, Insightful)

Saikik (1018772) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438498)

"Alien" means just that. Until it's been identified as a alien spaceship, it could just as well be the alien spaghetti monster. I don't know why everyone assumes just because humans can't identify something in the sky it MUST be little green men from space. Humans have terrible long range vision and generally very poor video recording devices. Most people probably can't identify something 1 mile in front of them on the ground.

is that really what they want? (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438038)

The FAA admits there was an incident but is not investigating it.

But do people really want the Unidentified to be Identified? Honestly, if the FAA went around Identifying these Flying Objects, nobody would have any cool UFO stories. They'd just have cool Weather Balloon stories.

well (1)

Swimport (1034164) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438048)

Unless France reveals the existence of Alien contact, this is just a bunch of reports they may or may not be easily explainable.

Re:well (1)

3waygeek (58990) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438450)

They already have -- these aliens [fantasfilm.com] are from France.

GWB needs to do something about these aliens (4, Funny)

hsmith (818216) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438052)

like build a wall around the earth

Re:GWB needs to do something about these aliens (1)

Lithdren (605362) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438160)

Or we could just pollute it to the point nobody else wants it. seems like thats what we're doing right now anyway.

Re:GWB needs to do something about these aliens (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438166)

That would solve the global warming problem but then he would have to put all the prisoners in Gitmo to work as human batteries, Matrix style. ;)

just my thoughts. (1)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438056)



you, know, after watching quite a few UFO documentaries on supposed reputable stations the only thing I can say is screw em. Until Aliens have the decency to walk up in broad daylight and say hello obviously they dont want to be seen. So leave them be, if they wanted to be discovered I dont' think it woudl be very difficult. So lets assume they don't want to, and up until they send there arrival notice press lets ignore them and go back to our lives.

If this was a case in the supreme court it would be thrown out on the basis of circumstantial evidence.

Re:just my thoughts. (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438106)

Until Aliens have the decency to walk up in broad daylight and say hello obviously they dont want to be seen. So leave them be, if they wanted to be discovered I dont' think it woudl be very difficult.
They clearly don't want to be discovered, I agree. But then, if they had nothing to hide, why would they avoid discovery? Clearly, the fact that they are hard to discover proves that they are up to no good.

Re:just my thoughts. (1)

hitchhacker (122525) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438242)

But then, if they had nothing to hide, why would they avoid discovery?

Maybe they don't wear pants or something..

-metric

Re:just my thoughts. (1)

illegalcortex (1007791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438592)

Or possibly because they all look like horrible winged demons with pointy tails...

Re:just my thoughts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438308)

Hello [wikipedia.org]

Time to polish your tinfoil hats (1)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438066)

Shiny headgear keeps the mind probes at bay.

Re:Time to polish your tinfoil hats (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438452)

You fool! The aliens have secret underground lairs. All your fancy tinfoil does is act like a parabolic dish focussed on your mind.

Confirmation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438100)

I wonder if the release will refer to or confirm any of the details contained within the Serpo releases, [serpo.org] which happen to be a great read no matter how far fetched they may seem.

Local Engineers (4, Insightful)

frinkster (149158) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438108)

While I doubt what they saw is locally-made, I used to live in that area and have seen some crazy stuff at some nearby forest preserves. Many of the forest preserves near O'Hare have radio controlled aircraft landing strips and are heavily used by local hobbyists. Last year I personally saw a home-built craft performing some absolutely incredible tricks and maneuvers with a small radio controlled helicopter-like machine.

Re:Local Engineers (1)

MrBandersnatch (544818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438298)

Sadly Ive no mod points (isnt it always the way). For once, "insightful" would have been bang on the money.

Reply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438120)

UFOS ARE REAL. The truth is out there. Additional generic x-files quote.

-Corey
http://www.myopiniononeverything.com/ [myopiniono...ything.com]

So What? (0)

TheNarrator (200498) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438134)

So what if there are space aliens cruising around? I'm an atheist so I find this to not implausable. The only thing I would get out of confirmation that aliens exist is proof that we have a lot more to learn about physics. If they want to talk with us they will. If they don't want to they won't. We probably have nothing to offer them anyway. Humans think they are so important.

Re:So What? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438442)

it really pisses me off when people start mentioning "i am an atheist", what the hell does that matter... the UFO is either natural, man made, or alien... clearly ur religion is not relevant... u could be a Muslim and the strange looking cloud is still a freaking cloud... or a freaking imperial star cruiser.... come on chewy realize ur religion may be important to u but does not change reality and is not appropriate for this discussion...

Re:So What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438474)

I'm an atheist so I find this to not implausable.
In contrast to religious people, who do find weird stuff to be implausible?

GNAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438148)

It Left a Hole in the Clouds (4, Insightful)

toonerh (518351) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438152)

The fact observers said it made a hole in the cloud deck for minutes, to me, rules out any purely optical effect. It must have been some physical device, whatever that may be. Further, professional airline pilots saw it and stated it was not familiar to them as a known aircraft. My take is a new stealth military craft - hence all the coverup by the FAA.

Re:It Left a Hole in the Clouds (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438334)

How dare you try to slow down the ridicule machine with your facts!

Re:It Left a Hole in the Clouds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438424)

> My take is a new stealth military craft - hence all the coverup by the FAA.

It wasn't very stealthy, then.

Re:It Left a Hole in the Clouds (4, Insightful)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438466)

My take is a new stealth military craft - hence all the coverup by the FAA.
I don't have a problem with the secret military aircraft theory except for one problem.

What the hell is a secret military aircraft doing in the middle of the busiest airport in America?

First, if it's supposed to be a secret, it certainly shouldn't be hovering over an airport. It should be out in a more deserted environment. Second, even if it was some kind of weird test, the fact that it distracted people who were doing things like driving airplanes, repairing airplanes, etc. implies a threat to public safety and I don't think the military would go for that. Finally, the risk that something could go wrong--collision, malfunction, etc.--and end up spilling the beans and potentially injuring people would be really stupid. Even the military isn't that stupid.

Re:It Left a Hole in the Clouds (2, Funny)

MECC (8478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438650)

What the hell is a secret military aircraft doing in the middle of the busiest airport in America?

Never let rookies fly the stealth UFOs

Smells like a hoax... (4, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438192)

All those people saw it and no one took a moment to use a cell phone camera to take a pic? Sure a cell phone camera doesn't prove or disprove anything, but at least we could take more guesses as to what was actually seen. I keep waiting for photos of this to appear, but none have surfaced AFAIK.

Re:Smells like a hoax... (1)

aXis100 (690904) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438204)

Alot of industrial or sensitive sites (specifically Airports) dont allow cameras or even camera phones, so I'm not completely suprised there's no pictures.

Re:Smells like a hoax... (1)

JayTech (935793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438414)

Even if someone did manage to snap a photo, don't you think the picture would be discredited as fabricated anyway?

Re:Smells like a hoax... (4, Funny)

geekd (14774) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438562)

That's exactly the proof we need - a blurry lo-res camera phone pic! Then no one will doubt the existence of our alien overlords.

The French news is the most interesting (5, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438222)

In 1999 the French government and military released the COMETA report, which essentially stated that UFOs represented some kind of physical phenomena that was unknown and deserved further study. It did not rule out the Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis, which is most amazing given that this report was published and authored by well known French scientists and military commanders. A translation of that report is available (in pdf form) here:

http://www.cufos.org/cometa.pdf [cufos.org]

(Note that I don't promote cufos.org, nor know anything about the site.)

BAD link - full copies of the COMETA Report (3, Informative)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438468)

The link I gave is a summary of the report, which I didn't realize because I googled it looking for the best copy. Well, I was wrong. Here is the full report (and apologies), both pdfs:

COMETA Part 1: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_pa rt1.pdf [ufoevidence.org]
COMETA Part 2: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_pa rt2.pdf [ufoevidence.org]

(Please note that I am not connected with ufoevidence.org and know nothing about the site).

Re:The French news is the most interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438534)

The Soviet (presumably now Russian) position is even more interesting. Since I have known about it in the mid 1990s I have
found this the most sobering statement of all time. AFAIK, the official Russian viewpoint (of government, military etc) is that
UFO's exist and are probably extra terrestrial visitors (with a high degree of probability).

I wonder why the American position is always so dismissive, far beyond well grounded scepticism. Is there a religious
element at play here?

Having said that, I have yet to see ANY evidence that would make me believe that extra-terrestrial visitors exist.
But I must say when it comes to appeal to authority I trust the Russian analysis far more than I trust the American one.

Re:The French news is the most interesting (4, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438652)

I witnessed a UFO back in 1994. Here is a description of that event I posted on slashdot:

http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=48139&ci d=4930168 [slashdot.org]

Basically, I saw a flying disc perform outrageous maneuvers in broad daylight. I can tell you what that thing was not: it was not a helicopter, not a balloon, and not an airplane. But I can't tell you what it was. I honestly don't know.

It still bothers me. I still have dreams about the experience. But the rational side of me must separate what I witnessed (a visual image of what appeared to be an object) vs. jumping to the conclusion that it was a some kind of alien craft. It's tenuous at best to claim that I witnessed something strange - to further claim I know what it was, and that it was alien.... well, that's more than even I can take. I have no idea.

But it still bothers me. And it bothers me even more that even saying this in todays climate is to impugn one's own credibility. Even Michio Kako has publicaly stated that he thinks the issue is worth investigating.

Shouldn't that be illegal alien craft? (4, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438238)

If you want proper funding for UFO research have them declared terrorists threatening our borders and Homeland Security will give you all the money you want. If you filed the right paperwork you could probably get a couple of mill in research grants to calculate the amount of explosive one flying saucer could carry. Just imagine the destruction a UFO crammed full of explosives could cause if it crashed into Big Thunder Mountain at Disneyland. Seeing pictures of Mickey Mouse and Goofy splattered across the sidewalk could bring this country to it's knees. The invading UFOs must be stopped!

Correct (4, Insightful)

dino213b (949816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438258)

Sure, a UFO is a bone fide sighting. It means exactly what it stands for: Unidentified Flying Object. Only an idiot would jump to some kind of a conclusion that it's the master alien race visiting Earth under the command of god-king Marduk without concrete evidence.

Unidentified does not equal alien (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438260)

So people at an airport saw something in the sky they could not identify. Does that mean that the most probably explanation is that it is an alien aircraft and the incident is being covered up by the government? Or could it be that there was an aircraft or cloud that was lit up unusually? Must be the aliens...

frist s7Op (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17438286)

the point m0re t4e BSD license, use the sling. TO GET SOME EYE standpoint, I don't

ufos = hoax (1)

NovaSupreme (996633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438288)

many people believe that ufos were created by NATO countries amid the cold war to scare away russians to design a sense of threat of unknown origin and unknown power.

look at http://www.forteantimes.com/review/HOAX.shtml [forteantimes.com]

Any photos? (2, Insightful)

Eric Pierce (636318) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438380)

So where are the photos? It sounds like there were enough witnesses and viewing time that there should be some photos taken of this UAP.

The FAA is probably sitting on them.

EP

Sitting (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438506)

Since most cameras are digital, what is the FAA sitting on?

Perhaps it was simply a reflection of the fullmoon (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438438)

It was waxing gibbous last night, and it's full tomorrow.

Add in some water vapor (oh yeah, it did rain in Chicago yesterday), and I'm surprised there wasn't a remedial weather/astronomy check.

Re:Perhaps it was simply a reflection of the fullm (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438556)

Great observation, except for the fact that the sighting took place in November.

Yes, just after a full moon (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438654)

Look up the table at http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html [navy.mil] to see that the moon was full on Nov 5, two days before the sightings, and that the weather was variable with ground temps that could indicate thermals-- just before sunset was when the observations came in.

Lenticular clouds...some look like UFOs (3, Interesting)

aok (5389) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438566)

I came across this link recently and was pretty amazed at some of the cloud formations.

Check it out: http://pic1.funtigo.com/valuca/?g=25544746&cr=1 [funtigo.com]

We are the solarmanite! (1)

anwyn (266338) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438614)

The UFO problem will never be resolved. This is because the worlds leading governments have learned that from the point of view of space aliens humans are the solarmanite!

Humans have the same potential for exponential growth as bacteria have! This is unacceptable to space alien regulatory bodies.

The only species officially allowed to travel in space are those that have been modified so that their growth rate is artificially controlled. This is why some UFO renegades have exhibited an obsessive interest in human reproduction. They are seeking to restore their own reproductive potential. They hope to create alien-human hybrids with natural growth rates, bypassing alien modifications that prevent unauthorized reproduction. This is the ultimate form of hacking!

Planets that are classified as hostile or threatening are subject to sanctions from alien regulatory bodies. However under the regulatory scheme, it is impossible to classify a planet hostile unless the dominant form of life knows of intelligent life on other planets. The bureaucratic mentality is the one constant in the universe! In order to avoid this classification, leading earth governments have secretly agreed to consistently deny UFOs and extraterestial intelligent life and all evidence for the same.

This is a brillant survival plan! Survival by manipulation of alien bureaucratic classification methods! The ultimate loophole. I guess lawyers are good for something after all!

Unfortunately, this plan requires that the UFO coverup be extended indefinitely! Oh well, a small price to pay for the survival of the human race.

Feynman quote (4, Funny)

oggiejnr (999258) | more than 7 years ago | (#17438630)

"I believe that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational efforts of terrestrial intelligence rather than the unknown irrational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence"

Pretty much sums up my attitude to the whole thing as well
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