Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

UK Teachers Say Censor The Internet

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the how-can-you-have-any-pudding-if-you-smash-my-window dept.

The Internet 463

Marlow the Irelander writes "The BBC is reporting that in response to a YouTube video of a schoolboy breaking his teacher's window (yes, this is a video), NASUWT, one of the teaching unions in the UK, is calling for legislation to control the internet. Could Britain, rather than the US, be the main front of the battle against censorship in 2007?" From the article: "Unfortunately, any yob or vandal can now have their 15 minutes of fame, aided and abetted by readily accessible technology and irresponsible internet sites which enable such behaviour to be glorified. [The general secretary of the union] said the union supported a zero tolerance approach in schools to pupils who used technology to abuse and undermine teachers, and called for more rigorous legislative control of internet sites which gave them license."

cancel ×

463 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

I'm Confused (4, Insightful)

hahafaha (844574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453574)

Why are the teachers mad about the video? Shouldn't they be more mad about the broken window?

Besides, whoever recorded the incident was clearly a by-stander (the person throwing the rock was in the video). I do not understand why this is bothering the teachers so much.

Re:I'm Confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453684)

You stop video by censorship; you stop broken windows by breaking fingers...

Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (5, Insightful)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453692)

First of all, the teachers should be thankful that these twits happened to place their video on Youtube. This made their detective work in figuring out who were the perpetrators were much easier, giving them a huge smoking gun. Talk about shooting the messenger, sheesh.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (4, Insightful)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453762)

Read the article. The kid posted the video just before he and his family moved to Canada, out of the reach of British law and the school's disciplinary procedures. The teacher is more upset about the video than the broken window, because it makes the teacher look like a fool and there is nothing he/she can do about it.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (5, Informative)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453818)

The article also points out that there were other perpetrators along with this boy, and thanks to the video they were disciplined. This twit may be technically immune, but the yahoos who accompanied him got a good ass whoopin'.

Sleep with the fishes criminals, not bad youtube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453830)

That's what mafia hitmen are for.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (-1, Flamebait)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453846)

The teacher is more upset about the video than the broken window, because it makes the teacher look like a fool and there is nothing he/she can do about it.

Welcome to the egotistical world of ratbaggery that is the teaching profession. I still remember back in school one wax-haired idiot telling us he could sit there for the rest of the year and do nothing, and he could never be fired. Indeed. I'm beginning to see a value in such business practices as outsourcing, and teleconferencing.

Those who can, do, those who can't, teach. And remember we aren't talking about "karate kid" style mentors here, we're talking about civil service lifers who for the most part have never had a job where they were required to be productive and / or competitive. In other words, a real job.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (1)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453910)

teachers for me were, for the most part quite good. However, the principal is excellent and screened teaching applicants more than just if they have an associates degree. Unfortunately, some places people get a teaching position who shouldn't even be allowed in the room with a group of kids, let alone teaching them.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454086)

Welcome to the egotistical world of ratbaggery that is the teaching profession

If I wanted a return to a world of pure ego, I wouldn't have to go back to school, I could simply sit back and see it paraded on Slashdot --- and modded up to +5.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (2, Insightful)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453858)

And YouTube's servers aren't outside of the UK too?

It seems odd to me that the criminal moving out of the country means we give up trying to catch them, yet at the same time, they think they can control servers across the entire world...

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (1)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453932)

The school should be able to withhold his transcript from transfer to any new Canadian school until a fine is paid, or something of the sort.

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454038)

It's democracy, it's spreading across the world!

Hey, If America can do it, why can't other country's?

Re:Dumb criminals, not bad youtube (5, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454140)

The teacher is more upset about the video than the broken window, because it makes the teacher look like a fool

Uhhh, why? This incident makes the perpetrator look like a fool. Why does having a vandal break a window make the victim look foolish?

Re:I'm Confused (1, Insightful)

pestilence669 (823950) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454000)

I'd like to know what provoked the punk. Was it justified or not? We do live in a world where teachers rape, molest, and physically assault the students in their care (yes, even in the UK).

In the US, I've seen teachers humiliate students so badly that they've transferred schools. I've seen teachers grab students by the neck and throw them around. I, myself, have been kicked in the legs because I was sitting sideways in my chair. I've even seen teachers give low grades to students they don't like, as they told me they were doing it.

There are many ways to be an asshole and most are legal. Perhaps this kid had enough of his teacher's sadistic censorship loving ass. Maybe he's just a punk. We'll never know, but you can be sure that the student's side of the story will never be heard.

Re:I'm Confused (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454080)

Why are the teachers mad about the video? Shouldn't they be more mad about the broken window?
I feel the same way over all the consternation about video from Saddam's execution being leaked. "Who leaked the video? Why were they allowed to record it?" Perhaps that's an important question, but what about what the video reveals - that Iraq's "justice system" is actually a sectarian mob? That the executioners themselves saw it as Shiite on Sunni reprisal? Once again, as in Abu Ghraib, the footage is infinitely more revealing than the press accounts.

Video has been removed... (4, Informative)

pcsmith811 (886216) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453580)

Video has been removed...

Gone (0)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453582)

Awww...

Just so I get this right... (4, Insightful)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453584)

The BBC is reporting that in response to a YouTube video of a schoolboy breaking his teacher's window (yes, this is a video), NASUWT, one of the teaching unions in the UK, is calling for legislation to control the internet.

Just so we're clear, their logic is that the internet is a catalyst for youth vandalism?

Man, kids these days. When I was their age, we had to vandalize stuff the old fashioned way.

Pretty much. (1, Funny)

khasim (1285) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453654)

Just so we're clear, their logic is that the internet is a catalyst for youth vandalism?

Pretty much. Yep.

Man, kids these days. When I was their age, we had to vandalize stuff the old fashioned way.

Oh, they're still vandalizing the old fashioned way. Almost everyone had rocks when they were growing up (but the ones who didn't will swear it made them better people).

What's different now is that instead of hanging out behind the gym, smoking cigarettes you stole from your Dad, telling your friends how you smashed Mr. Crabapple's window and ran away .....

You post on your MySpace site a link to a video taken by a friend with a cell phone that is hosted on YouTube and all your friends tell u how k3wl u r. lol. h3 is gh3y!

Re:Pretty much. (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453918)

Almost everyone had rocks when they were growing up (but the ones who didn't will swear it made them better people).
+5 funny!

Re:Just so I get this right... (4, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453822)

Man, kids these days. When I was their age, we had to vandalize stuff the old fashioned way.

I tried checking out a bomb making book from the library as kid, they wouldn't let me. They had no problem with me checking out the books on witchcraft and demonology. Go figure.

Re:Just so I get this right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453942)

I'd be more concerned if they allowed you to check out copies of the Bible or Quran. Those are far more dangerous than bomb making books, or books on witchcraft and demonology. When was the last time a satanist or wiccan killed a bunch of people in the name of religion?

(Sarcasm. Sorta. Okay, not really.)

Re:Just so I get this right... (1)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453966)

You can't actually do anything with the information in the books on witchcraft and demonology.

Re:Just so I get this right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453998)

That's because Devil Worship is the State religion.
How elso do you think I became VP?
Join up or face my magic shotgun!
-Richard "Captain Howdy" Cheney

Re:Just so I get this right... (1)

fabs64 (657132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454126)

Uh.. ok? Do books on witchcraft and demonology blow up?

typical over-reaction (3, Insightful)

fatduck (961824) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453592)

pupils who used technology to abuse and undermine teachers
How about out-of-touch teachers who demonize technology to abuse and undermine pupils?

Re:typical over-reaction (3, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453632)

How about out-of-touch teachers who demonize technology to abuse and undermine pupils?

Shut up and eat your meat!

Re:typical over-reaction (3, Funny)

dosius (230542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453724)

"How can ya have yer pudding if ya don't eat yer meat?"

-uso.

Re:typical over-reaction (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453800)

Is it sad to say that was the exact quote I thought of when I saw this article?

Good grief...

Re:typical over-reaction (1)

Redlazer (786403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453744)

I'll take "Things that have been happening every since technology was developed for 400, Alex."


-Red

Re:typical over-reaction (1)

Jonny0stars (1046644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453934)

So what exactly are they asking to be done, youtube shut down?
Youtube is banned at my college even though i need it to do work.
Well not exactly work more of a distraction so i have the incentive to do work...

Why is this news international i mean realy has no one ever chucked a brick through a school window before?
At my old school they used to chuck bricks through car windows and once a bus for disabled people, that dint even get into the local gazzet
   

Damn those irresponsible sites.. (5, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453598)

for giving everyone an equal opportunity to express themselves.

Maybe if teachers were more educators than prison wardens, kids would love them instead of hating them.

Re:Damn those irresponsible sites.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453690)

Dead on. The fucking idiot child should have to replace the window. With his own money. Earned at his own job. While living on his own. While supporting himself.

Maybe if kids were more students than felons, teachers would teach them rather than incarcerate them.

Re:Damn those irresponsible sites.. (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453862)

Maybe if kids were more students than felons, teachers would teach them rather than incarcerate them.
It is an exceedingly rare child who commits crimes before they go to school. Therefore teachers act like prison wardens before children act like felons.

Re:Damn those irresponsible sites.. (3, Funny)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453740)

Hey, teacher, leave us kids alone!

(yeah, cheap, I know...)

Re:Damn those irresponsible sites.. (2, Informative)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453936)

Maybe if teachers were more educators than prison wardens, kids would love them instead of hating them.

and maybe if the yob who through a brick through a plate glass window didn't behave like he needed a warden more than a teacher he would be easier to love and to easier to teach.

British teachers have always been jerks (4, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453602)

Remember this?

How can you have any meat if you don't eat your pudding?

Re:British teachers have always been jerks (3, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453620)

err
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Re:British teachers have always been jerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453640)

[re: Pink Floyd, the Wall]
Ian, do you know how to play chess? Stand still will ye.
(at least, that's what I hear on the recording)

It was good they were jerks. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453686)

Having grown up as an English lad in the 1940s and 1950s, I can tell you that most teachers and headmasters weren't jerks for the sake of being jerks. They were harsh with us because many of us were stupid little buggers! We needed a good smack across the ass with the fanny paddle every now and then. It kept us in line.

But times have changed, and the teachers have gotten far softer. Look at English youth today as a whole. Many are nothing but scum. Look at just the chav subculture, for instance. They are criminals, plain and simple. They idolise crime, and not just petty crime like vandalism. Many of these kids are burglars, rapists, and in some cases, even murderers. They dress like third-worlders.

We weren't perfect youth 50 years ago. We were mischevous little boys and girls. But we never shot each other in cold blood. We never raped each other. We never slaughtered senior citizens. But these are things we see on nearly a daily basis with the teenagers of today. And we weren't like that because when we did fuck up, our headmasters let us know. We felt direct pain for our misdeeds, and thus learned to live in a civilised manner.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453760)

I've heard people suggest that's why the UK is going all nanny-state, because the kids need it.

Here in the US... I haven't really noticed the kind of person they warn about there, but one place where I went to school did actually get all paranoid like that. Draw a pentagram (not a Baphomet, a regular pentagram with the point up) "ZOMFGQ SATANIC SYMBOL" and they freak out. Draw a circle-A, "ZOMFGQ THIS KID WILL GROW UP TO BE AN ANARCHIST" and they freak out. It's why I spend half of 5th grade in the principal's office. But I think I drew a Nazi sign in red and black ink in 8th grade (different school) and nobody cared. Perhaps because the school was suburban instead of rural?

-uso.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (2, Funny)

gotw (239699) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453806)

I doubt the authenticity of this comment. Using the British meaning [english2american.com] of the word I'm quite sure using a 'fanny paddle' would have been quite illegal, even in the 1940s'.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453974)

I doubt the authenticity of that site you linked to. I'm an American who has lived in a number of cities around the UK, and I have never heard of the word "fanny" referring to anything other than one's ass. It most certainly does not refer to a woman's vulva nor vagina. And being a patron of the many pubs of the UK, I am quite sure I heard every possible usage of all such words.

It may have such a meaning in the former colonies where British English is still prevalent, such as Canada, India, and the West Indies, but not in the UK itself.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453874)

Perhaps they also need to vacate from the premises of your cultured-greenery display?

Re:It was good they were jerks. (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453890)

We needed a good smack across the ass with the fanny paddle every now and then.
Why were you being punished with sex toys? [wikipedia.org]

Re:It was good they were jerks. (2, Interesting)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453896)

Growing up as an Irish youngster in the late 70s and 80s it was the same way. I think it was 1979 or 1980 before corporal punishment was completely outlawed in schools. Not a moment too soon. Most teachers were somewhat reasonable in dishing out their violence and at least tried to target it, but too often they lost the rag (due to whatever pressures, personal, professional, I don't care) and I recall two specific instances that qualified as full-on aggravated assault / G.B.H.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (1)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453984)

Having grown up in England in the 1980s, you lost me at the phrase "fanny paddle". When I recovered my breath, got up off the floor and read the rest of your comment, I realized that you have become classically old and grumpy. Between the dawn of human kind and about 150 years ago (in the west), rape and pillage were the rule, and dead bodies, mostly baby sized ones, littered the floor. Life was endless carnage.

What you see now (again, in the west) is a paradise compared with 99% of human existence.

Re:It was good they were jerks. (3, Insightful)

Andrew Aguecheek (767620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454012)

Kids today huh?

"They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." -Socrates (420 BC)

Yeah... so much worse than the used to be.

In all honesty, you're looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses. Kids are kids. There will always be a minority that act up. Physical pain may work on some, but it won't work on all, and has the two disadvantages of teaching some of them that violence is the way to respond to things you don't like whilst simultaniously making them immune to anything less than violence.

As for chav culture - that didn't exist until the media said it did. Most of these kids are not murderers, rapists or burglers, and those that are are largely ostracised from the majority of their peers. Don't believe everything the media tells you - it's easy to believe that because two more incidents were reported in a given year, two more actually happened. Usually all it really means is two fewer were reported the previous year.

el ditto (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454020)

Same in the US back then in that era. Insert badgers...mammoths..glaciers...uphill, etc.

We had these huge things that were shape shifters and passed for humans called "gym coaches" who were tasked with administering karma on chronic micreants. Usually the perp got it on the third offense. No perps ever won this trial by ordeal. Then finally came political correctness....ewwwwww what a mistake.

Re:British teachers have always been jerks (1)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453816)

But in town it was well known when they got home at night, their fat and psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives!

Re:British teachers have always been jerks (0, Redundant)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454076)

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Teachers have a tough job (1, Insightful)

maidopolis (197345) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453616)

It seems to me that this is just an over-reaction to an objectively minor problem, fueled by the fact that teachers often get terrible working conditions (abusive and hard-to-discipline students, obnoxious and at times abusive parents, little public support, low pay). They are lashing out in an attempt to control some part - any part - of their environment.

Re:Teachers have a tough job (5, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453716)

It all comes down to treating young adults as children. Where I live, the last two years of high school are optional. As such, any bad behaviour on behalf of students is met with one response from teachers "You're not required to be here and I'm not required to teach you anymore, so if you wanna act like a jerk, get out." Personally, I don't think it goes far enough. At university, they would be saying "I'm not here to teach you. I'm here to provide the information you need for the exam. If you think you can pass the exam without listening to me, you're welcome to leave." This is exactly how schools should be run. The kids that fail their exams should be required to repeat their classes. If they continue to fail, they should be kicked out. The world will always need ditch diggers.

Re:Teachers have a tough job (4, Insightful)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453854)

This is exactly how schools should be run. The kids that fail their exams should be required to repeat their classes. If they continue to fail, they should be kicked out. The world will always need ditch diggers.


Oh no, you can't do that, because then the kids' self-esteem would be hurt. After all, we want our children to be happy, right? Doing such mean-spirited things like holding them accountable and disciplining them would cause such stress to their developing minds.

(Excuse me while I put my bullshit boots on)

Re:Teachers have a tough job (3, Interesting)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453912)

If you think you can pass the exam without listening to me, you're welcome to leave

I wish I had those kind of teachers in the states. Took Cobol my senior year. Straight A's on every assignment and test. The sweet old lady in charge of it had a stroke 2 weeks before final and the new substitute wanted to fail me because I'd missed half the lessons.

Had to lob him a real tearjerker line, but I aced the final too. Who woulda thunk it?

Sadly, the sweet old lady was the exeption in my college career.

Re:Teachers have a tough job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453950)

But those ditch diggers have equal access to the ballot so I'd rather they were forced to stay a bit longer in the hopes that something would stick.

Re:Teachers have a tough job (1)

Andrew Aguecheek (767620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454030)

That's not what a teacher's job is though. Yes, what the kids have learnt is tested by an exam, but the teacher's job is to make sure the kid knows enough to get them through life - whether they like it or not. Most kids don't see the value of education until their older, it's not going to do any good letting them leave if they don't want to stay. Even ditch-diggers need to know how to read and write. And how may ditch-diggers do we really need?

Re:Teachers have a tough job (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454046)

Have fun competing with those Mexican ditch diggers.
I guess you meant the world will always need prisoners.

Brilliant (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453626)

So before, this students friends, maybe a couple more people via recommendation had seen this video and given the vandal his "fame." Now, the teachers have gotten the video linked from the BBC, slashdot and other news sites so now thousands of people will see the video. If I was at that school, I'd try to post my own vandalism to youtube to see if I could get on slashdot too.

But I fail to see how this is "pupils who used technology to abuse and undermine teachers." The broken window is the abuse, the youtube video is just evidence of criminal activity. Unless you consider a rock to be technology.

Be like starbucks (3, Funny)

bahwi (43111) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453642)

Teachers, post a video of yourself giving the kid detention for a month.

Pity, the video is already down. (1)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453644)

A pity - the video is listed as "This video has been removed by the user." Self-censorship?

I actually DID want to see the content - any possible mirrors for the video? I won't try and 'justify' wanting to see it - I mean, come on, it's a kid doing something really stupid. I'm just going to want to see that, especially when presented as something that might be censored.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Pity, the video is already down. (2, Informative)

SpectreHiro (961765) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453708)

I won't try and 'justify' wanting to see it - I mean, come on, it's a kid doing something really stupid. I'm just going to want to see that, especially when presented as something that might be censored.

A damn shame... I wanted to see it too. Nothing like broken windows and stupid kids to liven up a boring Wednesday night. As a consolation prize, here's another kid doing something stupid.

The fabled christmas tree jump... [youtube.com]

Re:Pity, the video is already down. (1)

abradsn (542213) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453782)

Man, that rocks!

Thanks!

Re:Pity, the video is already down. (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453832)

That was awesome in its pointlessness... exactly the kind of dumb shit I did when I was that age. Thanks!

Re:Pity, the video is already down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454062)

That was so completely pointless. But it had me lmao at the kid's sense of entertainment. A good jump.

Oh, please.... (1)

dacarr (562277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453648)

If they censor the internet in the UK, then all these videos of kids doing this won't be available as evidence of their misdeeds, now, will they?

Wait, don't they have cameras everywhere? (5, Insightful)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453650)

Isn't this the country with all the spy cameras all over the place watching people?

Are they complaining because it wasn't an "official" camera that captured the act? I don't get what the Internet has to do with it.

Puzzling.... (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453666)

Why are they mad?

Couldn't the video be used as evidence to sue for damages?

Why not go after the lawbreakers? (1)

dfenstrate (202098) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453668)

It seems odd to me that a society the US sprung from would have diverged so far from us in dealing with crime.

Instead of punishing the offender, they're trying to shut down the method they use to brag about it.

That's pretty ass-backwards. If they actually enforced the law over there from time to time then maybe yobs would have to weigh the punishment against the bragging rights from a youtube video.

Pretty common over there from what I understand. They'll install CCTV on every block, ban guns, then knives (outside the home), then anything that might be used as a weapon- hell, it seems like they'll do everything over there in the name of fighting crime short of.... (gasp) actually punishing criminals!

Now I hear they issue 'warnings' for everything from theft to arson and basically let the crooks go.

Why do I get the feeling that anyone with the werewithal in great britain to fight this stupidity has already emigrated to the US? Every single day it's more nonsense like this from across the pond.

I'll toss in the obligatory disclaimer that everything isn't peaches and cream here in the US, but England is galloping full speed towards a police state and they're using '1984' as a blueprint, not a warning.

(Don't bother me with the differences between GB, UK and England. They're good enough synonyms for this discussion. Thanks.)

Re:Why not go after the lawbreakers? (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453772)

(Don't bother me with the differences between GB, UK and England. They're good enough synonyms for this discussion. Thanks.)

Actually, the difference is pertinent as Scotland has a separate legal system, if I recall correctly.

Let's all emigrate to the US. (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453774)

I won't claim that things are great in the UK, justice-wise, but I suggest you look to the log in your own country's eye before being too critical of others. Many people I've spoken to cite misguided 'justice', overbearing government censorship and insane security measures as good reasons to not travel to the US, let alone emigrate there. Many of my US friends have made clear their intentions to leave the country at their next opportunity unless things turn around. I'll take omnipresent public video surveilance and lax punishment over wiretapping and enthusiastic enforcement any day.

Re:Why not go after the lawbreakers? (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453802)

Wasn't 1984 set in London? It just proves UK is closer to "1984" than even we over here are. I mean wtf, if they can forbid a person to say the word "grass" [parliament.uk] ? See the other bullshaznat they did. It's unreal.

-uso.

Re:Why not go after the lawbreakers? (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454018)

Instead of punishing the offender, they're trying to shut down the method they use to brag about it.

The "brag" is the payoff. Something that the Geek shouldn't have to be told.

Good for the publicity (2)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453688)

I hope they publically identify this vandal.
I hope he ends up being linked forever with this video so a name search comes up with it.

Shitheads like this deserve whatever karma comes to them in future.

anyway, back to bed.

V is for Vendetta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453698)

It sounds like V is for Vendetta is coming to life!

give away of stupidity (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453720)

You'd think the teachers would realize that the videos provide a way of catching the vandals, not the motivation for vandalism, but such stupidity is what I have come to expect from anyone who announces that they have a "zero tolerance" policy. People who adopt a "zero tolerance" policy are branding "I am an idiot" on their forehead.

Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453722)

...the real problem here is Britain's lack of rock control.

So the internet has improved things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453734)

To summarise:

OLD DAYS: kid smashes window, brags to friends and peers, most likely never found out by teacher / other effected party.
NOW: kid smashes window, brags to friends and peers, posts on youtube, gets recognised from video and punished appropriately.

Damn new technologies.

Self-Censorship? (5, Insightful)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453742)

I'm a Network Manager at a UK school / college. I guess I'm perfectly placed to speak on these matters, so here we go...

I have a duty of care, in my role, to protect students from certain inappropriate material on the internet. The obvious ones are there; pornography, paedophilia, unmonitored chatrooms, unmonitored messaging sites, etc.

Myspace is blocked, because I can't honestly say that I can be 100% certain that students couldn't use the site and put themselves at risk. Porn websites are blocked, because the students are not 18. All chat programs, such as MSN/AOL/IRC are not installed on student profiles, and students do not have administration rights to install software either. Proxy websites are blocked, so that students can't bypass the restrictions and vew unfiltered content. All fairly common stuff. Ironically, the biggest complaints I get about myspace being blocked are from teachers, but thats another story altogether.

I use active content filtering to block access to inappropriate content on all other websites, such as youtube or google vids, which might contain any of the things I first mentioned.

However, I don't block anything just 'because I'm told to'. A teacher can request that anything in the world gets filtered out, but ultimately the decision lies with me.

If a teacher cannot control his or her students in a classroom, then it is the fault of the teacher, not the students are finding the material. And personally, I think that is the way it should stay. Technology shouldn't be used to simply 'restrict access' to material when that material doesn't fit within the narrow categories I first mentioned. If anything, teachers should be embracing sites such as youtube and google videos because they provide a wealth of material that can be used in the classroom.

Re:Self-Censorship? (5, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453848)

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with a school controlling what is available on the Internet in the school. In fact, it is probably a "good thing". Not much different than an employer trying to control who can access what parts of the net while on duty. The problem comes when censorship spreads to outside the classroom and starts controlling what *adults* can see with their own, private connections...

Re:Self-Censorship? (1)

nbannerman (974715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453892)

I agree completely, but schools already control their own connections, or at least they should be. The NASUWT, along with most teaching unions, are a pain the ass when it comes to over-reacting to things, and you can be sure they'll try and implement a completely unwarranted nationwide filtering system, given half the chance. And that is something I don't agree with, based on what I mentioned in my first post.

Screw their opinions! (1)

DeusExMalex (776652) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453756)

zero tolerance approach in schools to pupils who used technology to abuse and undermine teachers, and called for more rigorous legislative control of internet sites which gave them license


Even more destructive is the tendency for pupils to use their god-given mouths to undermine their teachers! This needs to be corrected by legislation and luckily enough, Great Britain does not have that pesky First Ammendment to get in the way!

No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453768)

Could Britain, rather than the US, be the main front of the battle against censorship in 2007?
The Brits seem not to care at all. See all the camera on the street stuff?

Call me stupid... (4, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453796)

If a video tape was mailed to the police department, would the postal service be abolished?

Re:Call me stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453906)

wow ur fat.

Re:Call me stupid... (1)

idonthack (883680) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454008)

No, you'd have to mail it to innocent children.

This is in the UK... (1)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454094)

> If a video tape was mailed to the police department, would the postal service be abolished?

As I learned from reading why TMNT are called the Teenage Mutant "Hero" Turtles, even cartoon depictions of nunchucks and the word "ninja" (but apparently not swords or laser weapons) have been censored in the UK.

So it's my best guess that if you found some way to work paedophilia into your scenario and got it in the media, you'd have a pretty good shot of getting the postal service abolished, or at least of having people take the idea seriously.

Thank God for the second amendment (3, Insightful)

pestilence669 (823950) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453826)

Governments can't be so repressive if their citizens are fully armed.

When did the U.K. embrace Big Brother?

Re:Thank God for the second amendment (1)

Andrew Aguecheek (767620) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454054)

No... but the citizens can shoot eachother. Toss up really. Also, most people here like the repression - they're idiots and wrong, but that's democracy for you.

UK and US are in lockstep, more or less (2, Insightful)

kcbrown (7426) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453842)

I swear, both countries appear to be in a race to see which country can reach the bliss of fascism first.

To be honest, it's not clear to me exactly why this is. I mean, I understand why it's happening in the U.S.: the U.S. government is controlled by its largest corporations. There are various reasons for that, ranging from the chokehold on the media those corporations have to the campaign finance setup and lobbying setup that exists in the U.S. Fascism by definition is more friendly to big corporations than any other form of government, so it's easy to see why those who run the biggest corporations want fascism to rise in the U.S.

But the UK? Why is it going down that path? I was rather under the impression that the media wasn't a slave to the big corporations there, which means that the people there should have a somewhat less biased source of information on which to base their voting decisions. Money is power so I can see the big corporations having some influence there, but nothing like in the U.S.

And yet, the paths both countries are following are almost identical. What gives?

Re:UK and US are in lockstep, more or less (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454084)

I'll tell you why. Remember all those people who said socialism was evil? How expanding government and minimising personal responsibility would lead to the worst possible conclusion? How embarking on the leftist path would turn out to be a slippery slope?

Well, basically it looks like they were right.

Re:UK and US are in lockstep, more or less (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17454098)

This isn't a govt proposal, it's by a bunch on nutjob teachers who really would agree to anything like this.

I assume the other 'OMG 1984' bit is the CCTV which is heavily used in the UK. The reason people don't object to it is because most can see it works (at least locally, and usually all that matters) and feel safer under its presence. I will, for example, try to park my car in the presence of CCTV so if some twat keys it then I've got some sort of lead. That sort of stuff. CCTV also played a major part in hunting down those involved in the London underground bombings.

And really I see it as harmless from a privacy standpoint, because I've still got my private house -- it's not like the govt are installing cameras in my house. If the govt wanted to follow me round they'd be much better off breaking into the telecoms network and using my mobile phone to do so (hmm, which govt has regular tapping of phone lines?).

However, something like ID cards do cause a massive stir in the media because people can see that there are very limited benefits to them and major privacy implications.

You see, it's all a big compromise. AFIAK, drivers in the US must carry a license around with them, in person, whenever they drive - no such legislation here. I find that a much greater invasion of my privacy than CCTV which do drive crime out of an area and provide evidence in courts.

OMG A 1984 JOKE ON SLASHDOT!!! (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453900)

For those who don't know, NASUWT is the official teacher's union for Airstrip One and surrounding areas.

think of the teachers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17453914)

"Won't somebody please think of the teachers?"

teachers are retards (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453928)

why the fuck do they want to ban this? if every criminal video taped their crime and posted it on youtube we'd be set.

Of course teachers hate the Internet... (1)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453978)

Teachers are used to enjoying non-stop pandering to by the media. Any criticism of the government educational complex is squashed in main stream media, exluded from any sort of political debate, and generally supressed. Free, decentralized, uncensored democratic debate and critism about the educational system is a threat to the power structure. Dictators and tyrants like Kim Jung Il feel threatened by the Internet and want to supress it, and so do petty classroom dictators.

The teachers thought that playing up manufactured outrage about an insignificant incident like this would drum up popular support for severe restrictions on the internet... restrictions that could be used to suppress critism of government education as well as annoying YouTube videos. Fortunatly, teachers are so out of touch with the reality of working class people that they gravely underestimated how many people would see them as big cry babies instead of rightous victims in this situation.

How about... (1)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453990)

treating teachers as normal people instead of gods?
What a student does off school grounds and off school hours should be business between that student and the teacher as private citizens.
Or am I missing something?

Instead (5, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#17453992)

Rather than censor teh Intarweb, here's a better idea. Let these punk-ass kids have their fifteen minutes of fame. Then videotape their fifteen hours of community service and put that on YouTube.

Too slow... (1)

jschwetz (1046640) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454006)

*this video has been removed by user*

From the article (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 7 years ago | (#17454134)

The shaky 15-second footage shows a clearly identifiable boy grinning as he strides up to throw the missile.
This is clearly a weapon of class destruction.
Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?