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Clearing Up Holiday Sales Rumours

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the don't-jump-to-conclusions-yet dept.

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Gamespot's regular 'Rumor Control' column tackles some confusion around who had the most holiday sales among the three new consoles. A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000. The catch here is that, while it's possible a viewer could have assumed this was official NPD data, it wasn't. From the article: "The segment is an interview with Billy Pidgeon, an analyst with IT market intelligence firm IDC. In it, a graphic appears on screen showing estimated console sales in North America for November through December 25, 2006. The numbers match up with the figures being attributed to the NPD, but CNBC attributes IDC as its source on them. The confusion likely comes from a blurb of text that appears at the bottom of the screen shortly after the graphic is taken down. It notes that the 'NDP Group' (sic) pegged the Wii as selling more than twice the number of PS3s for the month of November, which is true, but also something that was announced last month." The numbers may prove to be true, but we're going to have to wait a bit longer to see who actually came out ahead last month.

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Does NPD even provide real numbers? (2, Interesting)

Ars-Gonzo (14318) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463146)

Have they started including online sales yet or is it still just brick and mortar?

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17463348)

For those who are interested:

EBGAMES/Gamestop are doing pre-order sales for the Wii to be shipped 1/17/2007. The only hitch is that it is a bundle package only.

Nintendo Wii system (system, remote controller, nunchuck, stand, sensor and Wii Sports)
Wii 1 Gigabyte Memory Card
1 additional Wii Remote Controller
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Red Steel
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz
Madden NFL 2007
1 Year Product Replacement Plan

The bundle is ~679.90 USD with 9.99 additional for shipping and handling.

Here's the link: http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=B020 070E [ebgames.com]

The store, fortunately, will not be offering this bundle as it is on-line only.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463670)

You can buy the unbundled unit on-line too now.

Check: http://www.xpbargains.com/ps3_locator.php [xpbargains.com]

I was lucky enough to be on-line at BestBuy Dec.31st. Waited on line for ~1 hour before the store opened and got a PS3. No fuss, no muss (they advertised in the weekly circular). I was amazed at how orderly and organized both the line and the BestBuy staff were. They handed out tickets when they opened the doors to the store. Then they let people in from the line 5 at a time (the store itself opened and anyone could go in). I was about 25 back and when I got in they directed you to a separate line they set up that snaked past a table with PS3 games and accessories on it. If you wanted an item and they had it in stock, you could buy it, otherwise you just had to continue to the counter and turn in the ticket to buy a PS3.

They definitely did not have enough units (people kept coming up after the store opened and the line got let in asking if they had any units left.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464230)

Weird. I went to GameStop on December 31st with my kids to buy games for their new gameboys, and they had 3 PS3s just sitting there, and this was about 3 in the afternoon. He did say he had one Wii that someone had returned, but he couldn't sell it until it got refurbished. I was a little surprised to see 3 PS3s just sitting there though.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465460)

My first question would be if they are the 20GB or the 60GB models.

I've got a theory (based on sampling the people I know), that most people would rather get the 60GB model ("if I'm already spending the money ...").

My second question would be if this is in a more urban, rural, or suburb area.

It stands to reason that you're going to have a higher demand for Wiis vs PS3s simply becuase the lower price open the Wii up to be an easier purchase (easier on ones wallet :)), and the positive press has helped.

In contrast the PS3 is competing for a different market (initially?). With the lack of enough "must have" games just yet (the launch lineup has some fun titles but I'd only qualify "Resistance: The Fall of Man" as a must have), the game system is still launching. I expect that (assuming the publishers keep their word), this should change within the next few months as titles like "Virtua Fighter 5" come out (slated for Feb).

In the meantime the only ones buying are 'early adopters'. Population density will play a factor in this, with more demand in big cities than more rural areas. I expect a lot of people are also still playing PS2 games (heck, look how well the PS2 sold this past Dec).

Sony is also producing units much faster than MS ramped up with the 360. A lot of people might not realize they can buy units. There is probably a brake between the populations who camp out, and the populations who just want to walk into a store and buy something (without running around looking for it).

Given that, it doesn't surprise me that there might be a few units starting to sit on shelves yet. If it still is sitting there in a few months (without a big boost in sales or production), then I might be a little concerned.

As I've said before, it reminds me of the PS2 launch, just wait, it'll still do great.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465976)

It was in the middle of an urban area. Can't say whether they were 20 or 60 GB, I didn't look that close.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

Dissenter (16782) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466916)

I was at one of my favorite electronics stores last week and walked in at about 11 am. There were about 60 PS3s half 60s and half 20s sitting there, but they were only selling them in the $1000 bundle with 5 games and a second controller. I didn't get it cause I don't see 5 games I'm that interested in. Oh that and I don't have a 1080p TV (damn Santa and all his reindeer) which is just about all they work properly on from what I hear.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17469654)

There were about 60 PS3s half 60s and half 20s sitting there, but they were only selling them in the $1000 bundle with 5 games and a second controller.

I wouldn't pay that much for a bundle that I didn't want either. That was the main reason I held out till I could get the system on its own. The launch titles just aren't strong enough to justify the 5 game bundle that most electronics stores seem to want to sell.

I didn't get it cause I don't see 5 games I'm that interested in. Oh that and I don't have a 1080p TV (damn Santa and all his reindeer) which is just about all they work properly on from what I hear.

Well ... you heard wrong. I've hooked mine up to both a SD TV and a 720p HD TV (as far as I know there are no HD TVs in the 32" range that have a native display resolution above 720p) and while the picture is definitely better on the HD TV, the graphics are still gorgeous on both, and the system works fine on both.

Is it worth buying an HD TV for? Heck no. A game system shouldn't be the reason for a purchase that is probably in the $800-$1000 range (at the cheap end).

Is it one more reason to consider an HD TV? Heck yes. HD picture quality is great for TV (if you can either get over the air signals or cable/satellite service). It also makes games look great. As an added bonus, even my old PS2 games look sharper, probably because I'm using a digital signal versus the old analog cables I had on the PS2. Can't speak on Blu-Ray as a movie format, since I haven't had a reason to go buy one yet, but its something to look forward to.

Re:Does NPD even provide real numbers? (1)

justchris (802302) | more than 7 years ago | (#17468424)

The NPD does not get online retailer numbers, no. They only get brick and mortar numbers, then use statistical sampling to predict what sales should have been for online retailers. Statistical sampling is very accurate when you're using a high enough percentage of the total, and NPD gets reports from about 70% of all retailers, so their numbers are about as close to exact as we will ever likely get.

The eternal shipped vs. sold (4, Informative)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463268)

Everytime there are sales numbers around, we need to remember that Sony always only report on shipped units, not on sold units. And no, even for the PS3, shipped != sold. I have seen PS3's on the shelves of some stores, and several other slashdotters have seen them too. Many PS3's are being returned by scalpers and are therefore unsold.

Wii probably could have sold more, if only it had been able to produce more of them. As for the Xbox 360, the only console not suffering from shortages (anymore), then good for them. I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

jrwr00 (1035020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463310)

I wonder that myself, people who couldn't buy the PS3, how amny bought the 360, i would guess a little less then half (IRC Survey) did

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (2, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463458)

As a fairly useless anecdote, in almost every store I've been to, they were completely sold out of Wiis, had several PS3s on hand, and had plenty of XBox360s on display.

And I've been to a lot of stores looking for my Wii - I've had to resign myself that about the earliest the stores expect to receive more is late January to early February.

But in several cases, I've had a hopeful sales person mention after I asked them about the Wii that they have the PS3 available for sale. Too bad I don't have, A) a HDTV or B) $600 to spare. (And, yes, I mean $600 - I never did see anyone selling the $500 model, so even though it exists, no one had it.)

But essentially no one has a Wii and won't for a while. Seems that, short term at least, the Wii is the clear winner.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

el_munkie (145510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463734)

Same here. I've been looking for a Wii on a daily basis for about a month now, in four major metropolitan areas, and have come up empty-handed. I've been offered PS3s multiple times. Yesterday I found one at a store but by the time I got there, a kid was at the check out buying it. Also, our local Fry's just got five in but refuses to sell them without the purchase of a bundle of five games, which brings the price up to an outrageous $500. Fuck that, there aren't five games I want out right now, I just want Zelda and maybe Elebits.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17471958)

I may as well clarify my original "almost" because I did find one store that had a Wii. They were only selling it as a bundle with an extra controller and two games.

They were out of extra controllers.

While it'd be funny to say that they had a Wii they couldn't sell, I think the reality is that they'd have given me a rain check, but since they had no good games either (basically only movie/TV tie-in games), I didn't bother. I'd rather not spend an extra $100 on games I'd never play.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17466648)

And I've been to a lot of stores looking for my Wii


Have you tried checking your pants?

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17463980)

I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.
Well considering in order to not find a PS3 people would have had to miss a giant pile of boxes with "Please Buy Me!" signs on them, I doubt that many.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464926)

Well considering in order to not find a PS3 people would have had to miss a giant pile of boxes with "Please Buy Me!" signs on them, I doubt that many.

Now, we see a giant pile of boxes with "Please buy me" on them, but that wasn't the case in november. There has been a shortage of PS3's for a while, mostly due to scalpers. Stores got more stocks quite fast, but it wasn't Sony who provided them with it...

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

snowgirl (978879) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465316)

I think it's fairly clear that the scalpers were trying to make a ton of money by buying the console for $600 and then turning around and selling it for $1000+. But the scalpers have slowly run into the problem that there are few people even willing to pay the $600 for the console from the stores, let alone the jacked up price that the scalpers were asking.

So, now the PS3 is back on the shelves? Interesting, although I was still looking for a Wii back in Europe with my sister. While I wouldn't mind having a PS3, $600 is a significant amount of money. I have an X-Box 360 already, so I can wait it out until I can get my hands on a Wii. After all, $250 isn't really all that expensive for me. Especially when the console just looks incredible!

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (4, Interesting)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464098)

Actually, I'm interested in the PS2's sales numbers. If the PS2 still continues to outsell the 360/ps3, that should say something.

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (2, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465238)

Yeah, it says "You can get it for $130."

-Eric

Re:The eternal shipped vs. sold (1)

kabocox (199019) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465302)

As for the Xbox 360, the only console not suffering from shortages (anymore), then good for them. I wonder how many were bought by people wanting a PS3, but then not finding any, so they bought a 360 instead.

Um, not many. I'd bet most that wanted to "pay" for the PS3 bought one. Those that didn't want to "pay through the nose" will wait 6-9 months for the first of several major price drops. Not many make an impluse purchase for things over $250. O.k. Maybe those rich slashdotters that bought all three systems for the living room this Christmas and one for each kid would, but most of us poor folk will be only buying one system. I'll tell you right quicky how many new video game systems showed up in my home 0 unless you cound handheld games. I got the lastest FF, DQ8, Radiata stories, a dragon ball Z game, my kids got some Horse game, a yuhgo game, Katamri dantasy, and pengel the quest for color, and DDR supernova. 9 various games most of them were $15-20 except FF and the DDR game. My girl likes the horse game. My kids like what they call they rolly polly game. The DDR game was more of a stealth fitness for me, but the kids have been having a ball with it. I've not cracked open FF or DQ yet. I've spent the last week going through Radiata stories and my main guy is around level 80 and I'm near the final big quest on the human side. (The game requires atleast 2 full play throughs to unlock everything if you are into that and it is awesome watching all the NPCs going about there days.) I've been drooling for a Wii, but I could not justify it.

a throttled race (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463428)

Even if these figuers were accurate, the real question is how well are these consoles going to sell within the next 3 months to a year. The Xbox360 has already proven itself a formidable foe even in the face of an earlier launch, but what remains to be seen is the sales figures from Sony and Nintendo when consoles arent as limited.

Re:a throttled race (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17469556)

Been looking for a Wii for the last couple weeks. Stores are filled with PS3s. I've even had two people try to sell me one that they bought just because they thought they could still make a buck off the shortage. Wiis are nowhere to be found. Granted, I'm looking after work, not before. It looks to me that supply is already meeting demand for PS3s. Unless they are restocking the shelves daily.

Anyone else confused? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17463552)

From TFA:

The Xbox 360 reportedly won the holiday hardware race with 2 million sold, with the Wii moving 1.8 million units, and the PS3 a distant third with 750,000 systems sold.
Compare that to the summary which says:

A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000
I read that to mean "$750,000" (which is only about 1500 'cheap' PS3's) and I was confused until I read the article. Nice informative summary there.

Re:Anyone else confused? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17463808)

Considering the reference the Wii's sales without "in sales" following it... no, I did not get confused. Just you.

Numbers (2)

Codemastaflex (840489) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463566)

If NPD is the North American numbers guru for video game system sales, is there a European, Asian, or South American counterpart? I'm really intrested to see if Nintendo reached its goal of 4 million sold.

Re:Numbers (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464548)

vgcharts.org attempts to track sales in Japan, North America and Europe (and is probably the most accurate) but there aren't good numbers from Europe because of the difficulty in collecting data in dozens of countries.

As of December 24th Nintendo had sold 859,000 Wii in Japan, with 286,500 selling in the week of December 18th-December 24th so the total Japaneese sales numbers for December will be between 1,000,000-1,100,000 (as a guestimate; later today or tomorow we should have the sales for the week of December 25th to December 31st).

In North America NPD was reporting 1.8 Million units sold up until December 25th, with total December sales available on January 11th; as an estimate, 2 Million units seems reasonable if Nintendo shipped a reasonable number in the final week of December.

In Europe it was reported that Nintendo sold 375,000 in the launch week ...

If Nintendo successfully sold 500,000-700,000 additional units in Europe since the launch of the system it is very likely that they would meet/surpass their 4 Million units sold in 2006 target. Whether they are successful or not, they will come far closer to their estimates than either Sony or Microsoft did.

Why does everyone want a winner? (2, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463690)

Can't all 3 consoles be successful? I know we are in a competitive culture, but you do not need a monopoly to survive. Media is going nuts searching for a victor.

The gaming market is absolutely huge, with over 10 billion+ in sales per year. There is plenty of money to go around, and for the first time 3 legitimate consoles who will all take a good portion.

The compeition of this generation of 360/Wii/PS3 will spark a ton of innovation for the next set of consoles.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

dlc3007 (570880) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464026)

I want Nintendo to win because I own stock.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

vonPoonBurGer (680105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464414)

If this generation of consoles ends up anything like last generation, picking the winner now is vital if you want to avoid having to buy a second console later on. The PS2 outsold all other consoles combined by a two to one margin (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#World_wi de_sales_figures_5 [wikipedia.org] ). It's no surprise then that certain marquee, out of left field titles originally appeared only on the PS2. I'm talking here about games like Katamari Damacy and Guitar Hero. Every system is going to have its staple first-party titles, the real wildcard is the publishers who have a crazy idea they want to try, but are only willing to risk the development dollars by targetting the most commonly available platform. Yes, I know, Guitar Hero II is coming out for the 360 in the near future, but that game is old news now (and I already own it for the PS2). I'm interested in those wholly unexpected games, the ones no one's even heard about yet, and where they're going to show up. Console sales numbers may be able to tell me that.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466320)

See, now what I would be curious to see is what the PS2 sales looked like this christmass. Considering new games are still comming out for that console, I could easily imagine sales being rather brisk even against the 7th gen consoles.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

trianglman (1024223) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464924)

This isn't about creating an artificial monopoly. This is about determining which company has been successful and how successful they are. When you know that Nintendo sold twice as many Wiis than Sony, you know that Nintendo is doing really well compared to Sony, making them a good investment both for stock holders and for game developers (as others have mentioned).

Early numbers like these are a good thermometer of how well a system will do long term as well. If it has strong market saturation early, not only will more games be sold, but more people will be talking about it creating the ever important market buzz and helping you sell more consoles.

To a random gamer, these numbers are just bragging rights ('I got a popular console.', or 'Why did you buy that? Noone really wants it.') But to the businesses themselves, the shareholders, and the developers these numbers do mean a lot.

I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it! (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465446)

I'm rooting for the 360 because I'm sick of anime and senseless/cutesy Japanese story lines. Come on, hasn't this Japanese fad in the West lasted long enough?

Before the Xbox, where could us Western console gamers go for realistic eyes and hair? Where could we go for a game originally written in English (without some strange translation)? Where could we go for an RPG that wasn't on rails? Where could we go for a game whose main character was a clear heterosexual?

I, for one, am glad that an American company is finally back in the game.

Mod me down all you like. But someone had to say it.

-Eric

Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it (3, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465780)

I'm rooting for the 360 because I'm sick of anime and senseless/cutesy Japanese story lines. Come on, hasn't this Japanese fad in the West lasted long enough?

The NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Sony Playstation, and PS2 all had a lot of western developed games (and Japaneese games) which didn't have senseless/cutesy story lines.

Before the Xbox, where could us Western console gamers go for realistic eyes and hair? Where could we go for a game originally written in English (without some strange translation)? Where could we go for an RPG that wasn't on rails? Where could we go for a game whose main character was a clear heterosexual?

For realistic hair and eyes, I'll tell you when we actually get them; considering realistic Skin, Hair and Eyes are still difficult on pre-rendered movies (because humans are very good at telling the difference between computer generated and real people) I expect that it will be a couple of generations. If you're talking about where you could get them from an Artistic perspective I think you should look into a couple of games Link [gamespot.com] , and Link [gamespot.com] ,Link [gamespot.com] . Many Japaneese companies have been on the forefront of 'realistic' graphics.

RPGs that "aren't on rails" are mostly an American (typically PC) genre and have never been (particularly) popular ...

I, for one, am glad that an American company is finally back in the game.

There is nothing wrong with an American (or Japaneese) company being very successful in the industry ...
Blindly following that company simply because they are American (or Japaneese) is foolish because they will (likely) take your support for granted and you will (probably) become angry with the company.

Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it (2, Informative)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17470008)

The NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Sony Playstation, and PS2 all had a lot of western developed games (and Japaneese games) which didn't have senseless/cutesy story lines.

Not to mention A: PC games are largely western developed (with personal PC ownership traditionally lower in Asia), and B: Sega actually stands for SErvice and GAmes, originally started by an American.

Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17473132)

Actually, no, someone didn't need to say it. Some people enjoy cutesy anime RPGs. Some people enjoy fast paced, guns blazing FPSs and some people enjoy most genres. Simply because you don't care for something doesn't mean you represent anything more than yourself. Grow up and stop being such a nationalist pig.

Re:I'm sick of Japanese consoles...there I said it (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17476396)

Oh, don't give me that PC bullshit. If being sick of Japanese games makes one a "nationalist pig" then there are a lot of us pigs out there. And yes, I liked them at one time too, when they were original and a breath of fresh air. But ENOUGH ALREADY.

And, I might point out, Japan itself is one of the most notoriously nationalistic and xenophobic countries in the world. At least we Americans will give Japanese consoles a chance. When's the last time anyone in Japan bought an Xbox?

-Eric

Uh??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17466130)

So I know which console to buy?! Duh

I'm holding off just like I did with the PS2. Eventually the winner(s) will come out. My guess is that this will be Xbox 360 (high-end) and the Wii (fun stuff). The PS3 appears stillborn (I mean the graphics are barely any better than the PS2 and much worse than the 360, I don't see the point; at least the Wii is cheap and has those funky interactive controllers).

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

Lerc (71477) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466690)

All console makers want to make as much as they can. In pure money terms they probably don't care how much their competitors make. The 'Winner' of each console generation sells a lot of units simply because it is the winner. Winning the crown translates to revenue. The competition for the crown is because the crown itself is a strong marketing tool.

You don't have to be at the top though. If the GP2x sells each unit at a profit then they can do ok for themselves. There is also the perennial idea of a linux-based open console. This could happen one day if someone makes a box that can be sold at a profit. They don't have to conquer the world, just make enough to pay their own bills.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (2, Interesting)

HeavenlyBankAcct (1024233) | more than 7 years ago | (#17467882)

There are plenty of people out there who feel this strange, distorted need to attach their personal feelings of well-being to products. It's no different than the guys who define themselves as "Chevy Guys" or "Ford Guys." Uninteresting people need to identify themselves in some way so that they can feel like they're individuals. What you're witnessing here is legions of confused kids who somehow have gotten "feeling good about themselves" mixed up with "corporate loyalty."

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 7 years ago | (#17470440)

The console that is doing best is the one which is most likely to attract development dollars. Which, in turn, causes original titles to be released. Which makes the console a better prospect for ownership.

Basically, in the gaming world you want to own the most popular console, as that way you will have the broadest possible selection of games available to you. So paying attention to who is "in the lead" is very important.

Re:Why does everyone want a winner? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17492042)

Game releases are roughly distributed according to the sales ratio which means if all three sold equally well we'd have to buy all three to get all (or even the largest part of) the games. If the distribution was more skewed like it is with the PS2 we'd only need to buy one console to ge the vast majority of the games. That means less console buying and more money left for the games.

I think the PS3 won (4, Funny)

billdar (595311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17463848)

Forget units sold, its hard to top a console people are willing to shoot people [wkyt.com] (and by extension, shot at [msn.com] ) for.

Re:I think the PS3 won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17465520)

I'd say that's more an indication of America's culture of guns than anything else. Police should never have to treat muggers as potentially armed with deadly weapons, but in America, they have no choice. Even if the PS3 has won, it's clear that America has lost.

Re:I think the PS3 won (1)

billdar (595311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466328)

You're trolling, but I'll bite...

If America was really a culture of guns, it would be the muggers treating average citizens as potentially armed with deadly weapons. In reality, current gun control laws ensure only the criminals are armed. And this situation is evident in many [bbc.co.uk] other [labour.co.uk] countries [allsafedefense.com] besides [www.dose.ca] the US.

Re:I think the PS3 won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17468046)

Interesting that for Canada, the only place that has a gun problem is with the six nations reserves. Notice that this same group of people that have an 28.8% [swc-cfc.gc.ca] illegal level of education (it is not legal, outside reserves, to deny children an educational level of below grade 9, I can honestly say out of the thousands of Canadians I have met, every single one has at least that level of education), twice [statcan.ca] as many children live without two parents, more than 50% [72.14.203.104] of reserve indians in the North of Canada are illiterate, I don't even need to discuss the abject poverty, substance abuse, rates of suicide, etc, etc. A simple search for this on google will return you a myriad of pages from reputable sources like statistics Canada and the CBC.

I could go on, but indians in Canada know that living on a reserve is not just a death sentence, but it assures you will be ridiculously undereducated and incapable. Your living conditions will rival those of the poorest third world countries [www.afn.ca] (In fact, due to Canada's reserves being now counted for quality of living, Canada dropped from first to eigth place for best place to live). That's not to say indians in Canada as a whole are like this (I've met plenty are they are as intelligent and capable, if not more, than many Canadians), but reserve indians are, more often than not.

If I were forced to live on a reserve, I'd buy a gun to shoot myself (like a lot of people there do, sadly).

The kicker is, though, that you actually support the anti-gun lobby, as indian reserves in Canada don't have to follow Canadian law! In an indian reserve, the cheif has every right to make concealed guns completely legal! Considering the awesome illegal fireworks you can buy at an indian reserve, well, of course guns are legal there.

I don't know about the other countries, but if the stats are as cherry-picked as that one, well, you're probably in for a lot more flaming. What's next? Can I claim most people in the US don't speak english if I just link to studies about illegal immigrants?

Re:I think the PS3 won (1)

billdar (595311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17469880)

Yeah, Canadian reserves sounds like some of the stories I hear on indian reservations here.

As for "cherry picking", I think you over estimate my time investment. Here's a little secret, type "european gun crime" in google and cross reference the front page with my links...

If you are the same AC as before, I'm only pointing out gun crime isn't an US exclusive and at the end of the day anti-gun laws tend to leave only the criminals armed (regardless of nationality).

Re:I think the PS3 won (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17492512)

anti-gun laws tend to leave only the criminals armed

That is kind of by definition. However, is it a bad thing? If only criminals are armed, there will obviously be less shooting involving innocent people, because they don't have guns and thus won't be tempted to fight back. Which makes it safer for everyone.

Frankly, if I'm in a crime, I don't want some well-meaning non-criminal trying to take out the criminals.

Re:I think the PS3 won (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17492134)

Do you think all criminals are going all the way out? In gun-controlled countries you see criminals robbing banks with BB guns to avoid a sentence for illegal possession of firearms. A mugger relies on the Police's unwillingness to move out for such a petty crime, an armed mugger is no longer a petty criminal and would get police attention very quickly. A criminal can decide to get a gun but in the process both makes himself more interesting to the police and increases any sentences he may face if caught. You'd get a gun to murder an enemy gang/mob member but not for mugging people.

North America? (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464400)

Does anyone know if these are North America-specific numbers or if these are worldwide?

If it's worldwide it'll be somewhat disappointing, as both Nintendo and Sony will have fallen significantly short of their promised goals for the end of the year (4 million and 2 million respectively). If this is specific to North America, does anyone know of a source whereby we can figure out the worldwide totals?

Re:North America? (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464624)

NPD only tracks North America ...
Japan is tracked by several companies and the most popular chart is released in Famitsu (which will release the numbers for December 25th to December 31st sometime today or tomorow) ...
Europe doesn't really have any (well known) sales tracking companies ...

As of December 24th Nintendo has sold 859,000 Wii units in Japan, NPD claims 1.8 Million in North America and it was (earlier) confirmed that there were 375,000 Wii units sold in Europe on launch. So far we know that Nintendo has sold more than 3 Million units world wide ...

Re:North America? (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465658)

Thanks for the info, it seems rather difficult at this time to get good numbers. The wikipedia article isn't updated, and nexgenwars and vgcharts aren't entirely accurate.

Three things to consider (from WSJ) (5, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464638)

According to a number of detailed articles I read in the print edition of the Wall Street Journal [wsj.com] (expensive subscription required, ain't paying), it's not just the actual console sales of Wii consoles, but the actual purchase of Wii controllers, games, and memory cards, that made the Wii the blockbuster seller this Christmas season.

Unlike the PS3, where most people bought the one really good game (Resistance Fall of Man), or the existing game purchases by xBox360 owners of Gears of War, the Wii console buyers ended up buying a lot of games and extra controllers, leading to situations where controllers were usually only found in back rooms and behind counters, as they were snapped up the second they appeared. Games were in reasonable supply, but most console owners bought quite a few games - probably affected by the MSRP of $50 for Wii games, compared to $60 for 360 and PS3 games.

However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.

The "Real Winner" ... the DS (2, Informative)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466930)

However, sales of the PS2 games were fairly strong, especially that rock guitar thing (forgot the name) and a number of other strong titles.
You mean Guitar Hero 2, which yes, was quite strong, along with other hit games such as Final Fantasy XII. The PS2 definately did very well this holiday season, but I'd have to say the big winner was the DS. Those darn things were often sold out just as much as the Wii was (I was looking for an extra copy myself). If you go looking around, you'll find sales numbers which reflect just how well that portable console did. Couple that with big news, such as Dragon Quest IX as a DS exclusive [joystiq.com] , and you've got the makings of yet another unstoppable Nintendo force in the handheld business.

Undoubtedly the success of the DS can translate to benefits to the Wii. It would be even greater if Nintendo were able to announce some neat pairing between the DS and the Wii, similar to what Sony has tried to do with the PS3 and PSP (only failing miserably, due to the relative unpopularity of both systems).

Re:The "Real Winner" ... the DS (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17479578)

Thank you, yes, I meant Guitar Hero 2, which is not just a fun game for the PS2, but is cross-gender in appeal, and is in fact one of the hottest games when rankings by both girls and women are done - quite unusual for a PS2 game.

Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466936)

And what good games does Wii have? Zelda? Anything else? I do agree that wii probably sold the most controllers. But for games, there's only one decent game.

Scroll down to the top 10 list

Popular 360 games [gamespot.com]
Popular wii games [gamespot.com]
Popular ps3 games [gamespot.com]

Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) (1)

MonkeyCookie (657433) | more than 7 years ago | (#17467564)

Wii Sports is a lot of fun, especially with multiple players. Other good games are Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz and Rayman: Raving Rabbids. I own all of these and Zelda, and even though I play a lot of Zelda, my favorite so far is Rayman. The mini games are simple, but very fun. The sense of humor of the game is great. The rabbits say and do such silly things, that I almost forget what I'm doing sometimes because I'm laughing so much.

None of the other games so far have appealed to me much (although Elebits could be alright), but there are definitely some good ones coming next year.

Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) (2, Informative)

ThePiMan2003 (676665) | more than 7 years ago | (#17467814)

Trauma Center is a simply great game, better than Zelda I would say.

Raving Rabbids is a great multiplayer game.

Super Monkey ball... sucks

Red Steel REALLY REALLY sucks.

Wii sports is quite fun.

Rampage is fun but you really need nunchucks for each player

Excite Truck is also quite enjoyable if you like smash em up racing.

So I would say if yo have a Wii pick up Trauma Center for yourself, Raving Rabbids for yourself and your firends, Rampage if you like that sort of thing, and Excite trck if you like that sort of thing. I actually thought Zelda was kinda blah.

Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17468124)

>And what good games does Wii have? Zelda? Anything else?

  - Rayman: Raving Rabids (Don't own it yet, played a friends copy)
  - Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz (Own it)
  - Elebits (Own it)
  - Trauma Centre (Own it)
  - Wii Sports (Comes with the console, so it doesn't exactly count, but it's not BAD, kinda boring, but amazingly fun to those that have never played video games before -- your parents will love it, trust me!)
  - Excite Truck (Will own it)

Those are just a few from the top of my head, considering how new the system is, that's probably about 25% of the Wii games you'll find at any store.

Re:Three things to consider (from WSJ) (1)

messerman (446251) | more than 7 years ago | (#17468132)

* Rayman (shockingly fun)
* Elebits (which is addictive enough where I now have some moderate eye strain and probably shouldn't play for a few days)
* Trauma Center (not my cup of tea, but the fiancee loves it)

Hell, even Wii Sports is lots of fun, and my friends love Excite Truck (I haven't actually played more than 5 minutes, so I don't really have an opinion yet).

Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

RPGonAS400 (956583) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464742)

My kids want a Wii. I got them $300 in Best Buy gift cards. They are just going to wait it out. They are content with their PS2 until then.

I don't really care who won last years holiday race, I am more interested in when the full supply of the units come out. Then I think the Wii will win hands down.

Anybody know when the Wii becomes truly "generally available"?

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

austinpoet (789122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464794)

that would be when demand drops to below the level of production. when that will be is anybody's guess.

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465240)

If they just sold them all at auction to start with, there wouldn't be a shortage.

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

246o1 (914193) | more than 7 years ago | (#17470182)

If they sold them all at auction, there would be a shortage at the target price point, but not at the one settled on through the auction. However, selling them at auction would probably provoke a strong backlash instead of the huge wave of positive feelings Nintendo has benefited from. I doubt it would be enough to cancel out how much fun the Wii is, but in the long run good will and a good image is worth much more than selling their first million or so for an extra hundred bucks each.

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17501550)

Why would there be backlash for providing a product at the price that matches market demand? Is American really that ignorant to how economics works?

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (2, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464956)

Anybody know when the Wii becomes truly "generally available"?

I think the only answer anyone can give you is "sometime in 2007" because no one really knows ...

In the small circle of people I know I'm the only person who actually owns a Wii and I know several people who are actively searching for one. When Nintendo ships another 500,000 to 1,000,000 units I would expect that most people who were looking for a Wii to own one but I'm not postivie about that; with (essentially) 2 Million systems sold in 6 weeks, and there still being a pretty massive shortage I think it is selling at a rate that no one expected. Traditionally, January and February are very slow months for game system sales (with around 1 Million sales of all hardware combined per month) so I would anticipate that within the next 6 to 8 weeks the Wii should be seen on store shelves ... that is assuming it is not going to break all kinds of sales records ...

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (2)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465890)

I honestly think that Wii sales could really snowball in the future. We took the Wii with us when we travelled to visit the family over christmas, and a lot of the people who tried it were asking questions about where they could get one. My mom played Wii Tennis for about 15 minutes the night we got in town, and the next morning while we were still sleeping, she went to the mall to try to buy herself one.

It's really been almost "infectious" for people we've let try it. The more people who buy it, the more that other people will be exposed to it. This obviously will hit a limit somewhere down the line, but the immediate accessibility of the controls and that new coolness factor really could push that limit a lot further than many people expect.

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

Rallion (711805) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466122)

I have to agree with that 'infectious' thing. I've been a big Nintendo fan since I started getting into consoles, just before the N64 came out, and I've wanted a Wii from the beginning. Still, I'm not going to wait in line, or actually run around LOOKING for them, I have better things to do and at the moment money's a little tight.

But then I played Wii Tennis with a couple friends.

I want one now. I do have some self-control, and I'm still going to wait it out. I think there are a LOT of people waiting it out just like me. At current production rates, I'm not sure how long it'll be before these things start taking up shelf space. I still know more people that WANT one than actually have one...by a ratio of, oh, off the top of my head, 8:1. Maybe higher.

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466132)

I agree with you and have seen this type of behavior myself (people with no interest in games wanting a Wii) but I think this is the reason why I find it so difficult to predict when the Wii will become available.

With the PS2, PS3 and XBox 360 I have a pretty well established understanding on how the people who are buying these systems will react to certain events; surrounding the release of big games the sales will spike, as the price drops the spikes will become larger and the "average" number of systems sold will increase, at "Christmas" nearly 50% of hardware sales will occur within a 6 week period and will crash (to the yearly low point) for 6 to 8 weeks following. "New" gamers will likely react quite differently than "Traditional" gamers and will likely have their own set of "big games" which does not match a "Traditional" gamers "big games" (say Wario Ware: Smooth Moves or Wii Play may be huge for the non-gamer crowd). Even how non-gamers buy games does not match how traditional gamers buy games because game sales are not front loaded [vgcharts.org] .

Re:Numbers skewed from shortages (1)

coolestdickofall (858613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465432)

Last Friday, I walked into Target at noon and saw two sitting on the shelf. I picked one up. ;)

Not surprising (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464860)

All in all, this is right on the mark of how I would expect it to be. Interestingly, at first I thought the artical said, "the Wii was pegged by the PS3, which sold over twice as many units," and immediately though that it was crazy, then I read some more and realized that all it was was a really badly written sentance. I have a feeling that most of the generation is going to pan out like this, with the 360 and Wii exchanging leads from time to time, and the PS3 pulling in numbers roughly half that of the other two.

The only thing I'm wondering is, if the PS3 continues pulling such terrible figures, people are going to get scared. When the XBox began, and was only inchworming along, people had nothing to be worried about: they had just begun, so noone was expecting them to do anything BUT slowly pull itself into the market. Now with the PS2s success, many people are going to be so shocked that the PS3 is doing so poorly, that some may start calling the death of the Playstation line. Prematurely called, or not, if enough people start looking at it that way, then it WILL happen; after all, noone wants to throw $600 on a system that may simply be riding the downfall of one company's industry dominance.p>

Some wild McLaughlin Group-style predictions:

  • Sony pulls the plug on the PS2 in second quarter '07 in attempts to boost PS3 sales.
  • Square jumps ship sometime fourth quarter '07 or first quarter '08.

Re:Not surprising (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465636)

Just like many people successfully predicted the death of Nintendo after the N64 and the gamecube had disappointing sales? Oh wait, that didn't happen. Instead, Nintendo realized that the arrogance that they had developed during their heyday did not guarantee them future success, so they were forced to do some extra thinking, and have come up with the DS and the Wii as a response.

Even if the PS3 comes in last, don't expect Sony to throw in the towel in regards to gaming. Just as a drop in marketshare hasn't ruined Nintendo's brand, the playstation brand is still important, and Sony is likey to take another stab at it when the next next-gen rolls around. We can only hope that if the PS3 falls below Sony's expectations that they learn some lessons from it, and make a more desirable system the next time around.

Re:Not surprising (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465940)

I would like to point out that Nintendo had advantages in the N64/Gamecube days that neither Sony or Microsoft have. Nintendo has always had the most popular handheld gaming platform in the world, and Nintendo has (always?) been the largest game publisher in the world, so the "Nintendo" brand was always positively seen by gamers even though the N64 and Gamecube struggled. Sony will likely be given the opportunity to release a PSP-2 or PS4 if (big if) these platforms continue to perform poorly but (depending on how poorly they perform) the "Playstation" brand will have a deeper taint than the "Nintendo" brand ever did.

I admit I could be wrong though ...

Re:Not surprising (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17466380)

You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.

It is cliche, but true, that it is all up to the games. The PS3 doesn't really have a title with herds of fanboys behind it. The Wii released with Zelda. Having this franchise at launch was a brilliant move by Nintendo. It will be really interesting to see how the PS3 sells once Final Fantasy XIII is released. Keep in mind, the Xbox was "inchworming along" until it started to get major exclusive hits (e.g. Halo).

Sony would not be so dumb as to pull the plug on something that has become as profitable as the PS2. It would be interesting if the numbers above showed PS2 sales along side the now current gen systems. The other thing that could dramatically increase PS3 sales is if BluRay wins the media war. The PS3 is an incredibly cheap BlyRay player.

It will be interesting how the end of this life cycle plays out as well. There is already a huge difference in graphical capabilities between the 360/PS3 and the Wii. Obviously, graphics != gamplay. But a good game with great graphics is better than a good game with mediocre graphics. This gap will only widen as developers figure out how to use the 360/PS3 hardware. Of course, the Wii will always have its unique controller and price point. And if they sell enough consoles early and a lot of third party developers get on board....the snowball might become an avalanche that can't be stopped.

Not true (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17467162)

You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.
Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. In my own anecdotal experience, I've seen PS3s available for sale, whereas I have no luck with the Wii. There's have been some news stories [go.com] regarding the PS3 "non-shortage" as well. So, I'd say Nintendo has the big problem with production, since demand is arguably greater than anticipated.

It will be really interesting to see how the PS3 sells once Final Fantasy XIII is released. Keep in mind, the Xbox was "inchworming along" until it started to get major exclusive hits (e.g. Halo).
Well first of all, Halo was an original Xbox launch title, so there was no "inchworming along" there. However, I definately agree that's what happened with the 360. Sales have been lackluster until system-seller hits such as Gears of War started appearing.

As for the "wait till FFXIII comes out" angle, the problem is that the game won't come out until 2008, maybe even later for the US. Remember, FFXII just came out for the US, and there's always a gap of a few years between these games. Unfortunately for Sony, the other mega-hit Dragon Quest IX is a DS exclusive, and Kingdom Hearts 2 also just came out so the sequel is probably another 2008/09 title. Are gamers really going to wait a few years before picking up a next-gen console? How long is Square-Enix going to wait on PS3 sales, before they jump ship and go multi-platform? It doesn't help that other former Playstation-exclusives are seemingly being lost as well.

It will be interesting how the end of this life cycle plays out as well. There is already a huge difference in graphical capabilities between the 360/PS3 and the Wii. Obviously, graphics != gamplay. But a good game with great graphics is better than a good game with mediocre graphics. This gap will only widen as developers figure out how to use the 360/PS3 hardware. Of course, the Wii will always have its unique controller and price point. And if they sell enough consoles early and a lot of third party developers get on board....the snowball might become an avalanche that can't be stopped.
I agree with what you say here. My guess (which comes after unscientifically talking with a bunch of my gamer friends), is that a lot of people want to have a Wii and either a 360 or PS3 for the usual "hardcore-style" games with great graphics, etc. I know that's what I'm going to do, if it turns out that most of the big PS3-exclusives end up being multi-platform anyway.

No Contradiction (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17492590)

You are talking as if all the consoles were easily available to people who want them. This is not the case. The Wii and PS3 are selling out everywhere. Nintendo has less of a problem with production than Sony does so obviously it is going to sell more consoles.
Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. In my own anecdotal experience, I've seen PS3s available for sale, whereas I have no luck with the Wii. There's have been some news stories [go.com] regarding the PS3 "non-shortage" as well. So, I'd say Nintendo has the big problem with production, since demand is arguably greater than anticipated.

There is no contradiction here. Nintendo has less of a problem with production, but they also seem to have vastly larger demand than Sony, so in the end, it's harder to get a Wii even though Nintendo produces a lot more consoles than Sony.

XBox Advantage (2, Interesting)

vga_init (589198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17464866)

To rationalize the results, here are some advantages I can think of that the XBox 360 touted...

  • First to market: It's been around for a while, so more people have seen it in action. That level of familiarity gives consumers more confidence--they know what they're buying. Also, let's say little Timmy sees gets to play with his friend's XBox and now wants one and talks about it all the time. I think his family might pick up on that; it's easy to want what other people already have. It's also easy to want what nobody else has, but you have to know about it first. More people know about things that exist than things that don't exist.
  • Domestic brand: People in the US know Microsoft. They trust Microsoft with their lives. Some people worship it. Don't believe me? I've seen it. The mere fact that Microsoft's name is on the box will cause people to gravitate toward it. The average Joe American tends to ignore Microsoft opponents because while he doesn't understand the issues, he knows how to stereotype anti-Microsoft folks as fanatics--tree hugging hippies that would just as soon turn on his cherished nation as his favorite software vendor. To him these people are the same people that are always saying bad things about the president, and he can't agree with those people.
  • Success of XBox: The original console did pretty well. It became a household name rather quickly and had enough good titles to get people coming back for more.

THE X-Box 360 Advantage... is Live... (2, Interesting)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465480)

You missed the # 1 advantage of the 360... X-box live.

It's better then anything else out there, and "Acheivements" are their own brand of crack... This gives them an advantage over multiplatform releases.

Re:THE X-Box 360 Advantage... is Live... (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17470838)

Look at the initial sign up rates, the re-sign up rates after the promotional period is over, and how many active players there are. You'll quickly find that Xbox Live is a not a motivating feature in the competition between the three.

Re:THE X-Box 360 Advantage... is Live... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17473382)

Look at the initial sign up rates, the re-sign up rates after the promotional period is over, and how many active players there are. You'll quickly find that Xbox Live is a not a motivating feature in the competition between the three.

Though I remember that was the case for the original X-Box, I don't remember seeing that for the 360. Do you have a source for the 360? Last I saw they were touting 5.5/6 million users on Live. Let's just assume that the vast majority are the Free, "Silver" memberships. They still have many compelling reasons to pick live, over the other Offerings. Acheivements are a special kind of crack that is like the Wii controller, you really have to experiance it to wrap your head around how addictive it can be.

Re:XBox Advantage (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17465788)

Really, the biggest advantage that the Xbox had was availability and the fact that it was the holidays. It's a solid system, but at launch, any competitive console is going to sell out as fast as they can be made. Add in the christmas rush, and I don't doubt that both Nintendo and Sony could've easily moved more units than the Xbox360 were more systems available at launch. Either way, there were millions of people out there looking for consoles, and while they may have had preferences towards one or the other, at the end of the day something to distract your kids is better than nothing, and at a lot of stores your choices were the 360 or nothing.

That being said, if it had turned out that way, MS shouldn't have felt any shame at being bested. First to market advantage disappears while a new console launches. I guess the true test there is whether or not the Xbox360's first to market advantage re-establishes itself in the future. When the hype and newness of the Wii and the PS3 had died down, and the consoles are competing on their games alone, that's when we find out who's got the more successful system.

If there were such thing as comma jail, I would likely be sent there for a while.

Typical Rabid XBox fanboys (1)

Mark Gillespie (866733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17471612)

Seems they are posting this crap all over the net, despite everyone knowing there is no evidence yet to back these numbers up. But key, it makes it look like the PS3 is in last place, so lets post it... Why has everyone jumped on the Hate Sony bandwagon, despite the PS3 being by far the best console of this generation?

Re:Typical Rabid XBox fanboys (1)

LikeTheSearchEngine (995759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17473204)

PS3 = Paper Tiger.

It ekes out over the XBox360 in hardware, but in practical performance, right now at least, they're on par graphically. In every other category, the XBox has had many moons to be better than the PS3. Live, tons of games, and market security.

The PS3 is a risk to me, since it is being outperformed so badly (my anecdotal support: The Wii is constantly sold out everywhere here, the local Best Buy sold roughly 100 XBox 360 Pros from Christmas to now, and there was a stack of 9-10 PS3s in that same best buy on Dec. 27, and on Jan. 3 there were still 6 - no telling if some were replaced.) So if no one buys the PS3, it will lose exclusive developer support and with that, it will lose the people with motivation to program for the console's full potential.

So, from everyone's perspective excepting rabid Sony Fanboys (to borrow your turn of phrase), PS3 is not the 'best' console out there.

Parent: Jonny said he wanted the PS3, but the Wii is so much more child-friendly and less than half the price!

Casual gamer: 'The Wii looks like a lot of fun! Maybe my girlfriend/boyfriend/SO would even be interested in this!' or 'My friend told me how cool XBox live is, and it would be fun to be able to keep playing Halo with my frat brothers now that we've graduated.' or 'Halo3!'

Gamer: "PS3 ekes out over the XBox360 in hardware, but in practical performance, right now at least, they're on par graphically. In every other category, the XBox has had many moons to be better than the PS3. Live, tons of games, and market security." or "Zelda!"

Technophile: PS3 has the best hardware, and I must have it! However, I'm buying all three anyhow, so...

Just my .002 cents.

Re:Typical Rabid XBox fanboys (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17492618)

Why has everyone jumped on the Hate Sony bandwagon, despite the PS3 being by far the best console of this generation?

Because a) Sony constantly fucks its customers and behaves like it doesn't care, and b) the PS3 isn't "by far the best console of this generation." There's more to a good console than hardware specs. Ever heard of this little thing called "games," for example?

Even if... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#17472696)

"A CNBC broadcast prompted GamesIndustry.biz to proclaim the 360 the winner, with some 2 Million in sales. The Wii followed closely behind with 1.8 Million, and the PS3 followed that number with 750,000."

Whether or not the 360 outsold the Wii, the 360 is notable because it had the potential to outsell the Wii, as there were no shortages. However many Wiis were sold, that's how many were put on the shelf, and if the 360 truly outsold the Wii, it seems it was more because of a lack of Wiis to buy than the comparative popularity of the two consoles.

And I'll add my own anecdote to the continuing trend: I saw my first PS3 in the wild this week, an unsold 60 GB model sitting on a shelf, unsold. It looks like Sony is still looking for a killer app.

Re:Even if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17503678)

Sadly, Sony is going to need more than just a killer app to really launch the PS3. Ever play The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask for the N64? Probably the second best Zelda game ever made, after Ocarina of Time. You probably never played it. Know why? Majora's Mask only worked with an N64 with the seldom-used memory upgrade attachment. It sold poorly, and today most people who know the name haven't played it.

You can make the best game in the universe, but if it runs on hardware nobody has, you are fucked.

I worked at a technology store this holiday. About 50 people worked there, all big technoweenies. Everyone played video games. Sony is a big corporate partner for our store. One of us had a PlayStation 3. One. Out of 50 people who were smack dab in the middle of Sony's target demographic, who were being inundated with Sony advertising eight hours a day. One person. That's pathetic. About 5 other people expressed an interest in owning one, but they didn't really pursue the purchase because they couldn't afford them. Absolutely pathetic.

They could make God's Own Game for the PS3. It could come out tomorrow, and it wouldn't register as a blip on my radar. Since I quit, nobody I know is going to recommend that game, and even if they did, it would still cost me $600 to play it. At $600, I'd rather WORK than play that game.
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