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1 Million PlayStation 3s Shipped

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the out-the-door-to-play-genji dept.

PlayStation (Games) 234

The word from Gamasutra is that Sony is boasting 1 million PS3s shipped. They hope to have 6 million units out the door by the end of this year. This came from Sony's CES press conference, which only touched briefly on their new system. Hints were, though, that they'll be rolling out an IPTV system for many of their consumer electronics via the Xross GUI already in use on the PSP and PS3. From the article: "According to the company, the majority of new Sony televisions -- starting with several Bravia flat-panel LCD TVs this spring -- will accept an attachable module that can stream broadband high-definition and other Internet video content with the press of a remote control button. The module will be available this summer, and content will come from sources including AOL, Yahoo! and Grouper, now part of Sony Pictures Entertainment, as well as Sony Pictures itself and Sony BMG - however, none of this streaming video content has yet been confirmed for the PlayStation 3."

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1 million shipped (2, Informative)

banuk (148382) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510190)

prolly 100k sitting on the shelves, the wii turned out to be more popular in the end

Re:1 million shipped (2, Interesting)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510428)

prolly 100k sitting on the shelves, the wii turned out to be more popular in the end

The interesting thing is that Sony said:

" ... United States up to the end of 2006, still promising 6 million worldwide by the end of March 2007."

So over the next 3 months Sony plans to ship an additional 3.5 Million PS3 systems. Now if you were to assume 1 Million units for Europe that still means that 2.5 Million PS3 systems have to be shipped to North America and Japan over the next 3 months. Personally, I wonder how many of these systems will just end up sitting on the shelf or in a warehouse being that Q1 is always the slowest quarter of the year for game sales and PS3 demand seems to be (far) lower than was (initially) expected. I'm not trying to bash Sony, but in most years it is pretty impressive if 6 Million units of all systems combined get sold in Q1 in Japan and North America.

Re:1 million shipped (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17510450)

It's a marathon, not a sprint. You might be surprised at how the market looks at the end of 2007. The 2 consoles haven't even been out for 2 months yet. There are no winners or losers yet, just leaders. It's a long race. Now return to your parents' basement where you belong.

Re:1 million shipped (3, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510624)

It's a marathon, not a sprint. You might be surprised at how the market looks at the end of 2007. The 2 consoles haven't even been out for 2 months yet. There are no winners or losers yet, just leaders. It's a long race. Now return to your parents' basement where you belong.

To a certain extent this is correct but it is not (entirely) true.

No one will have "Won" or "Lost" until sometime in 2008 but (as far as I know) no company has recovered from a poor start when there was strong competition. The fact is that Publishers look at system sales to determine which system will get exclusive games, which system will get games ported to it, and which system to ignore; if the PS3 is selling poorly while the Wii/XBox 360 is selling well publishers will devote most of their resources towards development on the Wii/XBox 360 which will reduce the number of PS3 systems sold (because people buy systems to play particular games).

Re:1 million shipped (3, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510704)

No one will have "Won" or "Lost" until sometime in 2008 but (as far as I know) no company has recovered from a poor start when there was strong competition

What about the original Playstation? From what I remember, it had a slow start, in an environment where there were lots of competitors using CD media, but gradually won out.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

dagamer34 (1012833) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510816)

The original Playstation didn't have any strong competition until the N64 came which by that time, was doing just fine. But, not only did the PS3 have a poor start, the Xbox 360 has had a year to get its act together and the Wii still has plenty of steam from its launch as well. Sony has been accustomed to having a year to get things straight before other competitors came with their consoles. Not going to work this time...

Re:1 million shipped (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510900)

The original Playstation didn't have any strong competition until the N64 came which by that time, was doing just fine.

What are you counting as strong competition? At the time of the original PS, it had to compete with the Saturn, Sega CD, CD-i, Turbo Duo, 3DO, Jaguar, and Neo Geo. The point is, it was a very saturated market, and the PS didn't have much momentum initially.

Re:1 million shipped (2, Interesting)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511112)

At the time of the Playstation's launch, the Sega CD, CD-i, Turbo Duo, 3DO and Jaguar were all either dead or dying in the market. The Neo Geo kept on churning out 2D fighters at the arcades, but never had any impact on the home systems. That leaves the Saturn which launched a few months earlier, but was $100 more expensive with a weak 1st party lineup and increasingly disinterested 3rd parties.

It didn't take long for the cheaper, easier-to-develop, 3D-focused Playstation to catch on.

Re:1 million shipped (2, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511208)

I think the way it's supposed to work is that you fit the theory to the facts, not the other way around.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511836)

The fact is, a bunch of 2+ year old systems wasn't any "saturating the market" or providing any competition at all. The Saturn wasn't taking off either. The Playstation's big competitor was inertia from the SNES and by Christmas 1995 the only question was whether the delayed N64 would be able to reclaim Nintendo's dominance when it actually arrived.

It really wasn't that hard to see where the market was going a few months after launch, even 10 years ago.

Re:1 million shipped (5, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511952)

The fact is, a bunch of 2+ year old systems wasn't any "saturating the market" or providing any competition at all.

Oh, I know, I know, when you said competition, you meant "real", "serious" competition. Not, in other words, the Saturn or the Sega CD or the CDi or the 3DO or the Turbo Duo or the Neo Geo. You meant the real, SOLID systems. Just like when you were saying that no Scotsman eats porridge, you were only referring to the true Scotsmen, not like, Angus. Sure, Angus eats porridge, but think about it -- he can't even play the bagpipes!

It really wasn't that hard to see where the market was going a few months after launch, even 10 years ago.

I know. The past is rather predictable like that.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512136)

Oh, I know, I know, when you said competition, you meant "real", "serious" competition. Not, in other words, the Saturn or the Sega CD or the CDi or the 3DO or the Turbo Duo or the Neo Geo. You meant the real, SOLID systems. Just like when you were saying that no Scotsman eats porridge, you were only referring to the true Scotsmen, not like, Angus. Sure, Angus eats porridge, but think about it -- he can't even play the bagpipes!

Most of the competition the Playstation faced in the early days could be compared to the NGage.

Certainly, the NGage was competition for the Gameboy Advance and some people bought a NGage and didn't buy the Gameboy Advance but no one in their right mind ever thought that the NGage stood a chance; the NGage was an awful product that didn't suit people's needs and was remarkably expensive.

The Sega CD, Sega 32x and Sega Saturn being released so closely together both splintered Sega's fanbase and (at the same time) angered many of Sega's early adopters; the Sega CD and 32x demonstrated that Sega was not great at supporting existing products and the Saturn launch with no games.

The CDi, Neo Geo, Turbo Duo, and 3DO were all really expensive in a time when a videogame system was seen as a children's toy; $500 is still seen as an outrageous price for a console and many of these systems were at that price or were higher. On top of that very few games were released for any of these systems while the Playstation was struggling.

Re:1 million shipped (2, Informative)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510882)

The playstation did recover from a slow start but it did not have strong competition. When the Playstation was released the main competition was the Saturn and in Japan [vgcharts.org] there was a close battle for a little over 2 years before the overall dominance of the Playstation was ensured; the main reason for this was that in North America [vgcharts.org] and Europe the Saturn was dead on arrival and developers who had an interest in selling games outside of Japan were (essentially) forced to choose the Playstation over the Saturn.

At the same time, the N64 didn't launch until the Playstation had been on the market for 18 months; with this lead time the Playstation was already becomming accepted and had sold over 2.5 Million units in Japan, 1.5 Million in North America and (IIRC) 1.5 Million in Europe and was already becomming the favourite platform of third party developers.

Essentially, it could be argued that the PS3 is launching in an environment similar to the N64 did against the Playstation (where the PS3=N64 and Playstation=XBox 360) and at the same time competing directly against the PS2 (where the Wii is the PS2) ultimately the slow start is far different this time than it was with the Playstation vs. the Saturn.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511168)

No one will have "Won" or "Lost" until sometime in 2008 but (as far as I know) no company has recovered from a poor start when there was strong competition
 
What about the original Playstation? From what I remember, it had a slow start, in an environment where there were lots of competitors using CD media, but gradually won out.
The original Playstation had a great start. Battle Arena Toshinden and Ridge Racer were both launch games, and no other system had anything that could compare with either one, particularly Toshinden which was the first 3D fighting game sold for consoles. These games made the console a huge hit with arcade fans who wanted to play Ridge Racer at home and fighting fans seeking a faster, easier game than Sega's Virtua Fighter arcade game.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511496)

Mi>What about the original Playstation? From what I remember, it had a slow start, in an environment where there were lots of competitors using CD media, but gradually won out.

The SNES int he US as well. It lagged behind initially playign catch up to the genesis. But once certain key games came otu it started stomping the genesis.

Same witht he Ps2. the Dreamcast had a year head start, a fair game lineup and a good launch onyl to see the PS2 come from behind.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

tabacco (145317) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510456)

Saw a pile of about 15 at best buy last night, being largely ignored.

Re:1 million shipped (0)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510626)

Saw a pile of about 15 at best buy last night, being largely ignored.

Haha that's funny. I just submitted this IGN article [ign.com] which will obviously get rejected as Zonk scooped me. Choice quote:

"The news will no doubt be met by whoops of joy from Sony fans worried about recent rumours that consoles were lining the shelves of stores while disinterested consumers walked past them tutting and sighing."

The reality isn't that it's getting ignored, it's that supply has finally met customer's demand, something that the 360 hadn't done at this point last year and the Wii hasn't done yet either. If anything, I think Sony should get points for getting the console out the fastest of any of the current-gen/formely new-gen launches. Anything else anyone says is just fanboys complaining they can't get their hands on their favorite new toy.

Re:1 million shipped (3, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511846)

If that article is correct in saying that supply has already met demand then it's also true that the console is selling like crap (aka being ignored). Think of it this way...

Most stores received 5-10 units at launch and the launch quantities were estimated to be between 150k and 200k... nearly double the launch quantities are sitting on shelves at any given store which means there might be anywhere between 300K to 400K units shipped but not sold... If Sony has only shipped 1 million units to the US it means it only took about 600K-700K units to saturate the market (at very least substantially less then 1 million)... that is also known as crappy holiday console sales, even worse when you consider the Xbox 360 saturated the market and sold nearly 2.4 million units in the same period of time, and the Wii is still currently sold out with over 2 million units shipped also. Using the same logic if Sony delivered the PS3 in the same launch day quantities that Nintendo delivered their Wii, then the PS3 would not have sold out at launch.

By admitting that they've met demand they're admitting that the demand isn't all that high. Because the quantities that they've reached are still very low when compared to the competition.

Re:1 million shipped (1, Flamebait)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512068)

Of course demand isn't going to be that high - it's $600. Compare that to $250 for a console that Nintendo can't make enough of - which is hysterical when you consider that it's parts are almost two generations old compared to Sony's which aren't mainstream by any stretch of the imagination.

Re:1 million shipped (0, Flamebait)

LordSkippy (140884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511892)

I think Sony should get points for getting the console out the fastest of any of the current-gen/formely new-gen launches

WTF? Sony has shipped 1 million, Nintendo has sold about 4 million and launched after the PS3! Sony didn't get the "console out the fastest". They have shipped less consoles and have already hit the supply roughly equaling demand point, then either the Wii or 360. That isn't good news for Sony.

Anything else anyone says is just fanboys complaining they can't get their hands on their favorite new toy.

Sounds like a fanboy trying to rationalize why his favorite console is collecting dust on store shelves less then two months after launch.

Re:1 million shipped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17511984)

The PS3 still isn't out in some countries.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512014)

Sony has shipped 1 million, Nintendo has sold about 4 million and launched after the PS3!

Okay, first off, the Wii hasn't sold 4 million in North America, it's sold 1.2 million [gamesindustry.biz]. And that's an estimate. So now, Sony shipped maybe 200,000 (I'm pretty sure the 700,000 in the article is worldwide) in November and 1 million six weeks after, which puts them neck and neck. Where are you coming up with Nintendo selling 4 million?

Re:1 million shipped (1)

LordSkippy (140884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512146)

http://nexgenwars.com/ [nexgenwars.com]

and

http://www.vgcharts.org/ [vgcharts.org]

The article you quote states "has likely sold over 1.2 million", which to me says "we don't have all the numbers, but do have this figure." It is also the lowest number I've ever seen when talking about Wii sells. Considering that Nintendo stated that they would ship 4 million (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?s tory=11510) by the end of 2006, and there have been no reports of Nintendo falling well short of that number, the numbers I'm quoting a within the ballpark. While you're 1.2 million seems to be parking the car.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512442)

You're getting North America and the rest of the world confused. Sony announced it shipped 1 million units to North America. To my knowledge it hasn't said how many were shipped worldwide. Your 4 million Wiis is worldwide, and the website says 1.86 million to North America. So 1.2 wouldn't be too far off if it was an estimate. Plus, where are these places getting their numbers? VGCharts.org has no links to the sales figures they're reporting whatsoever. And nextgenwars has a huge disclaimer that says the number is an estimate.

Re:1 million shipped (2, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512400)

According to the firm's preliminary estimates, as reported by CNBC, around 2 million Xbox 360 units were sold in North America from November up until December 25.

The figure for Nintendo Wii stood at 1.8 million units - despite the fact the console only launched in North America on November 19, and the first batch of stock sold out within hours.


link [gamesindustry.biz]

In addition, Wedbush is estimating that Sony sold 600,000 units (800,000 cumulative) of PS3 and that Nintendo sold 1.3 million (1.8 million cumulative) units of Wii in December.

link [gamasutra.com]

So NPD (the most accurate tracking company in North America) is predicting that Nintendo sold 1.8 Million Wii in North America as of December 25th, the analyst firm Wedbush Morgan is saying 1.8 in 2006, and your number says 1.2 (likely 1.2 Million in December).

On top of that in Japan the current numbers are 1,000,250 Wii vs. 456,750 PS3 where the Wii has been out for 5 weeks compared to 8 for the PS3; Nintedo has also launched in Europe and sold 325,000 consoles in 2 Days in Europe [gamesarefun.com]. So we have a number of 3,125,000 Wii sold before we know how many Wii systems were sold in europe over the past 4 weeks; if you assume sales of approximately 200,000 per week (a reasonable estimate) the Wii as sold ~4 Million units to 1.5 Million PS3 systems shipped.

In the end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17510572)

Declaring some unit to be more popular "in the end" after less than three months on the shelves is like declaring a baseball team the world series champion after the Grapefruit League.

Re:In the end? (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510712)

Declaring some unit to be more popular "in the end" after less than three months on the shelves is like declaring a baseball team the world series champion after the Grapefruit League.

"In the end" is a phrase which is typically used to express how the anticipated result is different than the actual result and does not actually refer to a absolute ending; at this point in time it is fair to say something along the lines of "The PS3 was supposed to be the popular system this holiday season but, in the end, the Wii ended up being far more popular."

Re:In the end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17511310)

I think the wii would be the most popular in the end. That remote seems much friendly to ass-play. Can't say I'd want 6AXIS in my rectum!

Re:1 million shipped (1)

GreenEnvy22 (1046790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510722)

Yep, at Best Buy yesterday, I saw 8 PS3's sitting on the sales floor. Salesguy said they'd been there for a few days with only a couple being sold. Grabbed a pic with my cell phone for fun.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510982)

I *wish* there were some sitting on the shelves somewhere. I'm still waiting to get my hands on one!

bestbuy.com has them (1)

fribhey (731586) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511380)

Re:bestbuy.com has them (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511986)

I actually don't shop at those big box stores, but thanks for the info, anyway. Very useful. I'm heading down to my local game store today to see if they have any.

PS3 sitting on shelves (1)

roberthead (932434) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511570)

Last week, my local GameStop had a couple of PS3s that had been sitting for several days.

As of yesterday, my local target has about 20 in stock and are only selling them at a rate of about 2 per day.

I'd be curious how many Wii units have shipped, because I would wager that the number shipped is almost exactly equal to the number sold. They are nowhere to be found here in southern Oregon. Looks like I won't be getting my Wii for another few weeks.

Sony misjudged demand. Nintendo can't catch up to it.

Re:1 million shipped (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511944)

They are sitting on the shelves at my local Target and Walmart. Gamestop is reporting having them in stock at a large number of their stores, too. Best Buy has them online.

Looks like the shortage has ended. If you want a PS3, they are now easy to obtain.

Info.... (3, Insightful)

jrwr00 (1035020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510218)

I would still like to know how many they have sold! not shipped, a product can ship 7million units for all i care, but how many did they sell?

Re:Info.... (1, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510316)

I think the distinction isn't nearly as big as most people make it out to be. If none were selling then retailers wouldn't order any more and Sony would ship less. IE there may be a difference, but actually the number shipped is more accurate than the number sold because it is easier to keep track of.

Re:Info.... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510458)

One million is still less than the number retailers would keep in stock. Later on it becomes a more exact measurement but currently retailers have little data to determine what numbers to order and many just assume that because it's called Playstation and supply is limited they can just safely order as much as they can get. I don't think the shipped numbers mean much yet. The disparity is probably not that bit but right now the shipped numbers are more indicative of their production capabilities than the demand for the system.

Re:Info.... (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510508)

Also, on this one, I think sales numbers would be *less* reliable because they may double-count a sale if a failed scalper returns it.

(Yes, I do know someone like that.)

Re:Info.... (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511042)

I would still like to know how many they have sold! not shipped, a product can ship 7million units for all i care, but how many did they sell?

Well, there were some 20,000 available on ebay. Do those count twice?

Hmm (1)

Attrition_cp (888039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510236)

Just curious, but if the Xbox 360 has 10 million sold, and the PS3 hopes to have an additional 6 million by the end of the year (on top of this 1 million?)...

Doesn't that mean they can't possibly have a market domination even after a year? How long do consoles typically have to win over the market?

Re:Hmm (4, Insightful)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510486)

They have ohhh...

Until the end of March I'd say. All snark aside, there's some reality to that statement. The reason there is a "console wars", is because the console that makes the best business model for 3rd party developers gets the most exclusive games and the best ports. It's as simple as that.

The business model that Sony presented this generation, is one of the highest development costs, for a variety of reasons, but they hoped to balance that by selling 100 million systems again this generation. Which would work pretty well. Except for the selling lots of systems part it seems. So their whole business model they're presenting breaks down. For this reason, you'll see a sparse line-up this holiday season, which results in less sales. It's a negative feedback loop, and the stronger it is, the more they'll need to do to counter it. (An AAA+++ title or a huge price cut or both)

Just to go a bit further. The 360 has a more comfortable programming/design environment and better tools provided, lowering costs, and has a large and very active American and European fanbase, plus online handled through XBL, the possibility of demos and new content, and microtransactions (even though we all hate them). It's a good model.

Nintendo is offering a very low development cost system, that focuses more on controller interaction than pushing polygons. And it looks like Nintendo will be combining this with a very large world-wide installed base. (The Wii will probably be the #1 system worldwide by middle of the year) It's a very good model.

It all comes down to the games. Before the launch of the PS3, people were saying they wanted it because they wanted the same experience they got with the PS2 and the PS1, namely the huge library that had games in every genre and even created a few new ones. But it's looking more and more like that experience is going to be on a non-Sony system.

So if Sony can't start selling systems, it's not going to get the games. And if it can't get the games, it'll probably end up like the GameCube..making games for it's core audience, but little beyond that. And I liked..no loved the GameCube. But a lot of people didn't. (Mostly people who didn't have it..but anyway) Or they perceived it to be a failure.

Re:Hmm (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510628)

It's a negative feedback loop, and the stronger it is, the more they'll need to do to counter it. (An AAA+++ title or a huge price cut or both)

On that note, is there anything to the rumor that MGS4 could be ported to the Xbox 360? I bet MS could crush the PS3 in its infancy if they lured MGS4 and maybe the next Final Fantasy by offering the developers zero licensing fees, which wouldn't be much of a sacrifice since they weren't planning to get license revenue from either of them in the first place.

Re:Hmm (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511046)

There have been rumors of MGS being released on the 360. Nothing has been made definite, and for now, Konami denies the rumor. I think we'll see MGS on the 360 eventually, seeing as how it happend for the original Xbox.

As for Final Fantasy, that probably won't happen. However, Square-Enix has made some vague noises about putting out an RPG of some sort for the 360.

Re:Hmm (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511996)

Well Squenix has already released FFXI on the 360, as well as Project Sylpheed in Japan, coming to the US eventually... and while FFXI is dated and PS isn't anywhere close to a flagship title it's still head and shoulders more support then they showed for the Xbox 1.

Re:Hmm (1, Troll)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510932)

> Until the end of March I'd say.

Hardly. The 360 was still not available in decent quantities even then in 2006. No one is writing it off anymore in the US market.

> And if it can't get the games, it'll probably end up like the GameCube..making games for it's core audience, but little beyond that.

You're aware, aren't you, that Sony's "core audience" is defined by about a hundred million PlayStation 2 consoles? Sheesh. I'm one of those PS2 owners, and I'm holding out on the PS3 for myriad reasons (the lack of a hit game being the main reason -- Resistance just isn't my type of game), so I think Sony might have some bumps in the road for the PS3 too, but it's a little early to be writing the obits.

Re:Hmm (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511320)

You're aware, aren't you, that Sony's "core audience" is defined by about a hundred million PlayStation 2 consoles? Sheesh. I'm one of those PS2 owners, and I'm holding out on the PS3 for myriad reasons (the lack of a hit game being the main reason -- Resistance just isn't my type of game), so I think Sony might have some bumps in the road for the PS3 too, but it's a little early to be writing the obits.

That's simply not correct, Sony's core audience is the people who bought the Playstation or PS2 based on the strength of Sony's first and second party developers. If you look at the sales charts for SCEA ( here [vgcharts.org] ) you'll notice that they have a lot of games that sell well but, except for Grand Turismo, none of their games "define" the PS2; when you look at the total PS2 chart ( here [vgcharts.org] ) you'll notice that Take 2, Square, EA, Konami, and Activision were all heavily responsible for attracting gamers to the PS2.

Re:Hmm (0, Troll)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511518)

Of course, like the monkeyman says, it's about "developers! developers! developers!" It's not like Sony is chasing those third party developers away these days, is it? Given the amount of A-list development studios they own outright, they can hardly produce less content now than from the PS2 days. Actual industry relations stories that shed light on that sort of thing would certainly be more interesting to hear than the fanboi spew that hasn't really changed its tune since the 80's, but I'm not holding my breath to see slashdot's editorship rise to that level.

As for GT "defining" the PS2: that's a curious choice. Most people I talk to think of JRPG's when the PS2 is mentioned.

Re:Hmm (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510586)

Just curious, but if the Xbox 360 has 10 million sold, and the PS3 hopes to have an additional 6 million by the end of the year (on top of this 1 million?)... Doesn't that mean they can't possibly have a market domination even after a year?

It more than likely means they can't possibly pass Xbox 360 for two years.

How long do consoles typically have to win over the market?

It seems that they have as long as their parent company can afford to promote and maintain them. Sega went to the bitter end with the DC. Even the Neo-Geo limped on for a long, long time.

Re:Hmm (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512056)

hell, the Neo-Geo is still limping along.. I have a friend that just picked up some recently released Metal Slug and King of Fighter carts.

The PS3 will do fine when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17510728)

The PS3 will do fine once the major titles hit it like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear, if you talk to real people the actual biomass that is consuming the product thats what they want. They want big franchises and titles with lots of hype lots of info carefully dribbled out to cause a feeding frenzy that sells systems and games and accessories and everything else that goes along with the system.

Re:The PS3 will do fine when... (2, Insightful)

dagamer34 (1012833) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511272)

When a system has to depend on 2 games that won't reach American shores for a good 1-2 years, you can definitely sense trouble. No one spends $600 for 1 game. That's lunacy. The way I see it, it's going to be real hard to get the PS3 out of this rut unless it finds a way to cut costs. It can't have developer abuse anymore, not when the system with the most units right now is also EASIER to develop for as well. If I were a developer, there's no way I wouldn't put a game on the Xbox 360 unless the game was designed for the Wii in mind. Even more, a publisher only thinks of profits, and right now the PS3 is a huge sink in which money must be thrown in before any will come back out.

Re:The PS3 will do fine when... (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512192)

I think you are vastly overestimating Square/Enix's largess and brand loyalty. Final Fantasy I-VI were Nintendo exclusives (well, there was no real competition at the time) but they jumped ship because the N64 wouldn't cut it. It is fair to say that they did this both because the N64 would not allow them the creative latitude they needed, and because they sensed that the N64 would ultimately lose out because the N64 was so creatively restrictive that no one would write games for it.

Granted, I do not know much about S/E's business, and I haven't really followed them since they got in bed with Sony. While FF 13 is in development for the PS3, unless Sony has them in an iron-manacled contract, a port is not out of the question. Heck, it would probably be pretty easy, considering that they're getting chips from the same company, and they'd be going from Stupid Ass-Backwards Gimmick Processor to Solid Traditional Processor.

At the end of the day, I would rather be the manager who sold out to the Southern Barbarians and made a fat wad of cash for my stockholders than be the patriot who brought ruin to my stockholders.

I'll ship 10 million photos of me (2, Insightful)

Lalakis (308990) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510286)

When will companies start saying how many units were sold, instead of shipped? We are not really interested in their plants manufacturing capability.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (1)

Frigga's Ring (1044024) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510382)

My guess? As soon as they have sales figures worth touting. Most of the sites I've gone to (Kotaku, Gizmodo, etc) are saying how many Wii have sold; not how many have been shipped.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510940)

Nintendo generally lets people know the truth, I suppose. They tell investors numbers sold, not shipped. They told journalists the polygons Gamecube could push in a real environment with textures and effects, not the number of polygons it can display in a wireframe mesh.

Most of the time, it seems that they're ready to accept the criticism they'll surely get, so they don't try to make things look pretty.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (1)

archen (447353) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511160)

The numbers game is mainly done by Sony here. From what I see where I live you still cannot get a Wii - so pretty much all units produced were sold. The PS3 is sitting on the shelves however. Often 5-8 units per store. This is extrapolating where I live across the entire U.S. so obviously that isn't that accurate, but I've heard similar stories from people across the U.S. and Canada.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17510654)

Actually if you think about it, the number shipped is the number Sony has sold to their suppliers.
It is now up to retailers to re-sell them.
Keeping in mind Sony may not have all the money yet, due to whatever net terms they have worked out with each retailer chain.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (1)

jours (663228) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510844)

> When will companies start saying how many units were sold,
> instead of shipped? We are not really interested in their
> plants manufacturing capability.

Well they kind of go hand-in-hand because they don't just ship them into a black hole, and they obviously don't build units that they don't intend to sell. If the stores are willing to accept them it's because they have "shelf space"...and that's because they've sold their last shipment already. From the manufacturer's perspective these units are sold.

Now in the past there have been companies who have shipped a bunch of product just before the end of a fiscal period to hit a decent number, only to have all the retailers ship it back because they were already holding a bunch of inventory. That's just a numbers game though.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511576)

If the stores are willing to accept them it's because they have "shelf space"...and that's because they've sold their last shipment already. From the manufacturer's perspective these units are sold.

Not so. In early November, all the stores wanted to have as many PS3 as possible knowing (or thinking) that it would easily sell out. Say StoreX ordered 100 units in november, but due to the initial shortage, Sony sent them 15, sold the 15 units (10 of them going to scalpers), and 5 of them get returned and sit on the shelves (typical situation), Sony will still send 85 more units to the store from the initial order.

The stores did not order more units, they simply received what they had ordered during the hype period.

Re:I'll ship 10 million photos of me (4, Informative)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510948)

When will companies start saying how many units were sold, instead of shipped?

You misunderstand how the whole manufacturing chain works. In auto sales it's easy to determine how many cars a company is selling because they control the important end of the chain to determine sales to consumers - car dealerships. Companies like Sony and Microsoft do have their own online stores but the majority of their sales are through retailers that are 3rd parties. Those 3rd parties aren't likely to report sales of a specific product, especially in the timely manner that manufacturers need. So as a result, they're forced to say how many units they've shipped in order to report how strong a product is. The theory is that it's hand in hand with sales since most big-box retailers use Just-In-Time inventory and other methods to keep consoles from piling up. Retailers aren't stupid - if the product isn't selling they won't order it. However, there may be contractural obligations built into sales contracts that says they have to stock so many units or buy in blocks.

This timely manner for sales reporting, by the way, can be blamed on everything from the console war to the fact that Wall Street demands quarterly reporting from public companies.

Japan? (1)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510320)

Sony promised 2 million consoles worldwide by the end of last year, and we received 1 million (apparently). Does anyone know if Japan received the other million, or did Sony fall short?

Re:Japan? (2, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510478)

The data is still not entirely complete (there are some game sales missing for the final week in December) but the yearly chart for Japan has the PS3 at 446,750 units sold; being that the Japaneese statistics are far more accurate than American statistics you could assume that Sony shipped about 500,000 units in 2006.

Some simple math... (0, Redundant)

The_Pariah (991496) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510380)

So, if at the end of the year, they hope to have a grand total of 6 million shipped, and saying that no one buys another 360, Sony will barely have over half as many units out there as MS. Those aren't promising numbers to me at all. Consider Wii sold 2 million in approx. 2 months. Sony needs 14 months to do what the Wii will most likely do in 6 months.

Re:Some simple math... (-1, Troll)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510506)

6 million by March is what Sony said. You lick Zonk's cock well though. How'd it taste? Salty?

Re:Some simple math... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17511104)

Ya get used to it on SlashDot. If the article is from Zonk, I expect that it bashes the Playstation3 and praises the XBox360.

Re:Some simple math... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17511200)

Thats assuming that the trend continues in a straight line. It probably won't. I don't think either Sony or Nintendo can maintain the rates that they currently have. Their growth rates will level out soon enough.

Re:Some simple math... (1)

justinlindh (1016121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511590)

But how realistic is any of this?

What is the current installed userbase plus rate of new installations for gaming systems? With the last generation (PS2/Xbox/Gamecube), how many million found there way into people's homes? If we assume that all of those people will buy a next gen system (not possible, but for the sake of argument), along with however many new customers are expected, is it really possible to expect 25+ million consoles to have a home? Due to the prices of the 360/PS3, it's not currently as likely that there will be much, if any, overlap (2 or more systems/home).

It seems to me that people are forgetting that not everybody wants any of the new systems, and I doubt the current userbase is large enough for this kind of growth.

Re:Some simple math... (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511610)

So, if at the end of the year, they hope to have a grand total of 6 million shipped, and saying that no one buys another 360, Sony will barely have over half as many units out there as MS. Those aren't promising numbers to me at all. Consider Wii sold 2 million in approx. 2 months. Sony needs 14 months to do what the Wii will most likely do in 6 months.


Um ... the "end of the year" Sony is referring to is the end of their Fiscal year in March. So, lets figure 3 months from now (roughly).

If Sony ships 6 million units by then, then they will have shipped a total of ~7.5 million PS3 units (using the numbers from http://www.vgcharts.org/ [vgcharts.org] ).
Assuming MicroSoft's XBox360 maintains its current rates of shipment of ~567K units last November (generous since this is pre-holiday), then they will have added ~1.5-2 million units to bring their worldwide shipped units to ~10 million.

If this is true (don't know if it will be or not), then this would place the PS3 in a very good position to surpass the XBox360 by years end.

I think the Wii will probably outsell both of them (possibly by years end), but its selling to a different market (the much larger "casual gamer" market). I also think the Wii is still harnessed with a stigma of being a "Kids" system for a lot of regular gamers. Its price and appeal to non-gamers is also what will probably push a large number of XBox and PS3 owners to get one as well (at some point).

I think the PS3 will pass the XBox360 and while its numbers won't reach what the Wii is going to get, I bet its numbers aren't going to be much below the PS2 in the long term.

Bravia only? (5, Insightful)

Generic Guy (678542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510678)

several Bravia flat-panel LCD TVs this spring -- will accept an attachable module that can stream broadband high-definition and other Internet video content with the press of a remote control button.

So it sounds like this only works on Sony units, and only certain specific Sony units at best -- yet another Sony proprietary product to waste their resources upon. Can't they see that a seperate unit which works with any HDTV would be better for both them and customers? But, this is Sony we're talking about.

Re:Bravia only? (1)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511660)

Can't they see that a seperate unit which works with any HDTV would be better for both them and customers?


So you think Sony should make a unit that will work with any HDTV, and allow content to be streamed from the Internet to the TV.

How about if it includes a next-gen Media player also, like say Blu-Ray?

I think they made this unit already. They decided to call it the "Playstation 3". Perhaps you've heard of it?

MythTV on PS3 (0, Offtopic)

PS3Penguin (1048518) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510764)

I am drooling at the opportunity to get a PS3 (at a reasonable price ... ) and get MythTV going on it! Ok .. .. but if you have any good / bad experiences on compiling MythTV than please post them on either http://ps3penguins.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] .. or http://groups.google.com/group/PS3Penguins [google.com] I wanna see real IPTV from the PS3 before the XBox 360 guys beat us to it! --PS3 Penguin

Re:MythTV on PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17511336)

Why on earth would you get a PS3 to run MythTV on when you could run MythTV on a machine made out of old salvaged hardware?

Re:MythTV on PS3 (2, Insightful)

PS3Penguin (1048518) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511642)

Built in HDTV output, digital audio, small nice looking box, DVD... It has a lot of nice options +++ I get to use it as a game machine too. MythTV is cool on old hardware if you are doing older standard def content .. I am doing DigitalTV recordings (straight off the air in the new HDTV ATSC format) .. so I need a front end with enough horse power to seamlessly decode HDTV content.

It only takes a couple good games. (1)

SQLz (564901) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510782)

Thats what happened to the Original Playstation, although, good games (read: original) seem to only be found on the Wii right now.

Re:It only takes a couple good games. (1, Funny)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511074)

although, good games (read: original) seem to only be found on the Wii right now.


Yes that's right! In the coming months we can look forward to original titles from Wario [ign.com], Mortal Kombat [ign.com], Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles [ign.com], SSX [ign.com], Prince of Persia [ign.com], and Medal of Honor [ign.com]. Nope, never seen those before. And let's not forget all of those original rehashes for virtual console!

Re:It only takes a couple good games. (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512008)

I think that people are sort of exaggerating the unique experiences that can be had on the Wii a bit. Don't get me wrong, it's an absolutely FANTASTIC system, but the only really unique game that I've seen for it is Elebits (which, for some reason I can't quite explain, reminds me of Katamari Damacy). Granted, there are some other good games, Zelda is of course the big system seller for the "hard core" audience, and Super Monkey Ball, with all of it's mini games, seems to be popular among the less hard core crowd, but over all, they aren't radically different from anything else out there.

Xbox 360 already has those killer games.... (1)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512174)

Oblivion, Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Crackdown, Halo 3...

All exclusives. There are easily a half dozen other great games that aren't exclusives, but combined with the above?

The Playstation 3 needs a lot more than a "couple of titles" - those might grab a few hardcore gamers, but the Wii with it's unique control (assuming it doesn't get old, as in novelty) and Xbox 360 with Live both offer strong features that aim for a wider audience. I've heard some pretty disparaging things about Sony's networking, and absolutly nobody has called Sixaxis "fun" - indeed, most think the controller feels cheap without the weight of feedback motors in the grips.

The playing field just isn't as level as it used to be. Sony spent more time on Blu-Ray than on the gaming side, and it shows. The console was even delayed to deliver BD, and yet with all that extra time, many games came out of the gate as flat as the proverbial dead horse they beat telling us how revolutionary this console (erm, excuse me, I meant to say "super computer") was going to be.

Re:It only takes a couple good games. (2, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512434)

I'd have to disagree with that... after the initial excitement of getting a Wii wore off I've been quite bored with it. Zelda is a great game but quite similar to the experience I had on the N64 titles, Not to mention after playing the GC version, I'd rather use that controller if only for a better camera. Red steel is a terribly generic shooter thats only interest is in it's controller interface, which is so buggy it's horrible to play. Trauma Center is a cool title but it's identical to the DS version save a couple of newly added levels, Monkey ball, pretty much the same as the GC and Xbox versions I've already played, Excite Truck and Wii sports are fun for an hour or two with friends but they become quite boring after that... there just isn't enough depth to them beyond their initial impression. Elebits looks interesting but I haven't played it yet so I can't really comment on that title.

When you look at the 360 it's got Gears of War which is a very fresh shooter the game play is quite different and very unique in comparison to the many other shooters I've played, in terms of multiplayer/co-op the game has enough depth to provide much lasting appeal. Also Viva Pinata gets my pick for the most innovative game this holiday, it's what I'd image the results would be if Nintendo made Spore. Then of course there are older titles like Dead Rising which is akin to the melding GTA, Resident Evil, and Shenmue... and Test Drive Unlimited (the first MMO Racer).

Honestly I played nothing but the Wii for most of December, I wouldn't consider most of the games all that innovative, particularly as someone who's owned all of Nintendo's consoles. So far the games that truly utilize the Wii remote are horribly shallow and don't serve as much more then a way to impress your friends for an hour, other games that have the necessary depth that you'd expect from a modern game don't use the Wii remote in any real unique ways, they just replace pushing the analog stick with waving the remote around.

The Potential is there, and I'm excited to see what will come out in the next year or so but as of right now, the Wii is collecting dust and I've started playing the 360 again, the controller might not be anything new but the current crop of games are far more interesting in my opinion.

Unsold means loss as costs decrease too! (3, Interesting)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510802)

Amid concerns that some of the consoles are just "sitting" on the shelves, I'm sure that this is posing an addtional loss for Sony.

I say this because I'm sure they get better prices for parts on a Quarterly on Monthly basis. If something didn't sell which you didn't have to produce and your cost goes down = loss.

I also wonder if there is lower adoption because the higher quality Blu-Ray (and who "wouldn't" want it to play movies) really needs an HDTV to take full advantage of the system. This means system price + cost of HDTV. Ditto for X360.

Aside but relevant:
I don't know about most /.'ers but I'm 26. I've played a fair number of video games. I've had a Gamecube and PS2 for over 3 years now. Only three games on the console have "wowed" me to the point I wish all games were like it: Zelda Wind Waker, Metal Gear Solid 2 and MGS3. Otherwise, all games to me, are now boring, repetitive, not story driven and/or too time consuming (don't have time for RPGs anymore). Sorry to say to the console makers and I think I'm not alone: part of my demographic won't shell out mega-bucks when we have rent to pay when all the games look, feel and play the same! And I'm not buying a PS3 just for MGS4 (might rent to play it). And time wise I don't think I'm buying a Wii (I already have a better one anyways ;) )

Re:Unsold means loss as costs decrease too! (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511618)

Blu-Ray? Blu-ray is irrelevant. I guarantee we'll hear plenty about players that can handle both Blu-Ran AND HD-DVD while also upscaling your regular DVDs (something the PS3 can't do!) AND will cost less than $500 by Christmas. Single format players, including the PS3, are now obsolete. Sony's plans of using the PS3 to help Blu-Ray conquer the market have failed.

That leaves games. Sony better realize that they only way to sell a GAMING CONSOLE is to help their developers produce lots of GAMES.

I'm not interested in IPTV - I already have Tivo and Netflix - that's already too much to keep up with. If I buy a PS3, it's going to be so I can play games. No games, no PS3.

Pathetic (0, Redundant)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#17510828)

If Sony plans to have *shipped 6 million units by the end of 2007* then just how bad they are going to get their butts kicked by Nintendo and Microsoft is beyond anything I can even imagine. Assuming they even sell all 6 million, they will be so far behind in market saturation that I don't see any developers sticking exclusively with them if they want to make any profit. At this point Microsoft should consider luring over Square-Enix because a Final Fantasy XIII released for 360 might not only help the Xbox a ton in Japan but on top of that will sell loads in North America and Europe.

If it weren't for the PS2 keeping Sony's gaming arm afloat (sorta), I bet the PS3 would have been a different animal altogether. Lower spec, lower price.

But how many million games sold? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511280)

With the average PS3 game getting a 1, 2, or 3 on a 5 point star rating scale, and the average PS3 buyer only buying 2-3 games, they're not even close to break even - which would require the average PS3 console owner to buy ... 12 to 20 PS3 games.

There's business.

And then there's economics.

Just ask Microsoft's Zune about that ... on today's NPR show on the electronics show, they talked about the iPod, not the Zune. You can market - but you won't make people buy.

"Fiscal Year" (1)

Petersko (564140) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511472)

Somebody already modified the article. It's not the end of 2007, it's the end of their fiscal year, or March.

From my personal experience. (3, Interesting)

Churla (936633) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511632)

I had not really bought into the idea of "needing" a next gen console. I predominantly game on the PC. The day after x-mas I'm at a friends house for Poker and the wife goes into the other room and plays on the Wii they picked up. I am immediately informed that this device is on the "must acquire NOW, why didn't you get me one of those for xmas?!?!?" list.

So after xmas I start a ritual on my remaining vacation of checking stores around the DFW area for a Wii. Took a week and a day before I scored one (at a WalMart) and ever place I checked I got a familiar refrain...

"We have no Wiis in, we aren't sure when we'll get more. But we have these PS3's , wouldn't you like one of those?"

I also don't hear buzz amongst friends who have xbox 360's or PS3's about one game or the other, but everybody I know with a Wii raves about how much fun they are. I would say the leader out of the gates for this holiday is the Wii, with Xbox 360 out in front due to getting an early (by MONTHS) start.

Add in that Sony loss leads with the cost of production of the console being above retail. but Nintendo makes a profit on every console and you have a strange formula which actually says Nintendo is doing better. But I'm sure Sony will save the day for themselves with some well though out proprietary product that uses a standard or media format which they are the only really proponents of. That's how it works, right?

Re:From my personal experience. (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511904)

"We have no Wiis in, we aren't sure when we'll get more. But we have these PS3's , wouldn't you like one of those?"

Absolutely. The employees at several stores here in Austin were trying to push the same thing on me. "Sorry, no Wii. But would you like a PS3? We have a lot of them!" They seemed so sad to not have Wii for me, and looked depressed that I wasn't interested in their "consolation prize".

(Finally got a Wii last Tuesday, tracking dates and times for UPS shipments.)

Shipped often means sold (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511808)

The problem is that, now that one can find PS3s just sitting in stores, shipped doesn't always mean sold. Furthermore, warehouses might have even more... Still, it seems fairly likely that Sony shipped around 1.5M consoles to retailers and the like during 2006.

vgcharts.org, who seem accurate enough, estimate total PS3 sales worldwide at 1.41M so far (that implies maybe 1-2 hundred k in various display cases, not an unreasonable number) and Wii sales as 4M.

Once again... (1)

wilgibson (933961) | more than 7 years ago | (#17511814)

Sony is touting how many they've shipped. Whoopee! All that tells me is how many or how few they've been able to produce. When I see sales figures I'll give a rat's ass. Anyways, I can go to any local BestBuy and walk out with a PS3 no problem. They just aren't moving in my area. Now the Wii on the other hand... I'm just happy I froze my ass off in October to pre-order one of those suckers. I'm sure Nintendo's sales figures for NA can hands down beat Sony's shipment figures!

E.T. the game shipped 2 million units! (1)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 7 years ago | (#17512052)

Yes, the game shipped 2 million units [wikipedia.org], but nobody bought them.

For Sony it's debatable what is worse... losing $300 million dollars by selling these units, or losing more money having them sit on the shelves. I guess sitting on the shelves is worse.

It would also be interesting to find out how badly the actual sales numbers really are, when returns and resells on returned units is taken into account. I suspect they aren't terribly great.

Fanboys can defend Sony all they want, but they will absolutely lie to the public to achieve whatever ends they desire. "David Manning" reviewer for the fictional "Ridgefield Press" proved it, Rootkits re-affirmed it, dodging repeated calls to fix the exploding laptop batteries proved it, and even with the PS3, their desire to sell gamers snake oil [qj.net] continues to prove it.

The fact that they are crowing about "Units Shipped" is very telling indeed. They are damned by the absence of meaningful numbers. Die in a fire, Sony.
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