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New PS3, Wii, 360 Downloadables Announced

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the something-to-tide-you-over dept.

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360 gamers have Lost Planet to look forward to this week, but PS3 and Wii owners have things to smile about as well. Today's virtual console game releases feature the Hudson classic title Dungeon Explorer, as well as the shmup Gradius and the sidescrolling shooter Soldier Blade. PS3 owners will get six great downloadable titles sometime 'in early 2007', courtesy of Midway and Sony Online Entertainment. "The six games announced in the deal are Mortal Kombat II, Gauntlet II, Joust, Rampage World Tour, Rampart, and Championship Sprint. Sony Online said those titles were chosen specifically for their multiplayer components, as the company is adding online play for all six." Update: 01/08 22:32 GMT by Z : Oops. Missed Ms. Pac-Man on XBLA this week.

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I predict (0, Troll)

Luminus (34868) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514398)

That sony will charge a mere $400/title for these downloadables.

Re:I predict (2, Interesting)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514694)

That sony will charge a mere $400/title for these downloadables.

Actually it's kind of a nice price. I got Crash Bandicoot for the PSP for about 6 bucks and Grip Shift for the PS3 for about 10 bucks. I'm glad all the new consoles are offering downloads like this. It probably doesn't make sense to sell a disk consisting of a single old game for a cheapo prices, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense for a download. I pay more for two people to eat at Burger King than I did for Crash.

TW

Re:I predict (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17515058)

Four HUNDRED not four DOLLARS. ...Do you work for Verizon?

Re:I predict (0)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516542)

I'm pretty sure he's like the rest of us and is sick and tired of the Sony haters on this site. They've completely ruined Slashdot for me anyway.

Re:I predict (2, Insightful)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518454)

Yea, those mean mean Sony haters.

Nevermind that Slashdot has long been a bastion of Nintendo(lots of mid-20s -> early 30s tech people), and people who *dared* to buy the gamecube and to a lesser extent, the N64, took endless levels of shit for it just about everywhere from the exact same types of people that post the limited amount of pro-sony stuff on the tech sites. Add in a couple enormous missteps by Sony, the fact that this is principally an American site and America loves underdogs(which sony is not) and falls from grace(current Sony), and there's not a lot of love to spare for the company outside the people who honestly don't care about the whole scene(and are just exhibiting the engineer trait of being contrary for the sake of being contrary), and the diehard idiots.

Sony, and their fanbase, really brought it on themselves. So either quit your bitching or uncheck the games section until the Summer, by which time it should have all completely burnt out(it already mostly has).

Re:I predict (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517002)

I just reread my post. I didn't mean it in the way you took it, but I can see how it could look that way. When I said, "actually, it's kind of a nice price," I was referring to the actual price, not the "price he gave. oh well.

I'm sure one of the three next gen consoles will have "the best" download service and one will have "the worst," but I just think it's cool that whatever you got, you should be able to download classic and new games for a good price, directly to your hard drive from the internet. It means they all kind of got it right.

Re:I predict (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17517000)

I pay more for two people to eat at Burger King than I did for Crash.

While I would make a joke a slashdotter taking his date to BK, I'm pretty sure it was just his mom.

Re:I predict (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517546)

Did you get any of the Burger King Xbox 360 games while you were there? They're like 9 bucks.

Still can't find a Wii though... (0)

necro2607 (771790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514408)

Hey, that's pretty cool.. downloadable content for the console (Wii) I still can't find anywhere, despite calling stores and still being told "we're getting a shipment on Tuesday, you might want to line up the night before", only to see 10 people already lined up at 9pm the night before. :(

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

Oz0ne (13272) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514426)

Same problem here. Though for some reason the target nearby regularly has a handful of PS3's available.

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514908)

I got mine the first day (almost did not wait) and got the 8th to last unit - but still have not been able to get a second nunchuck!

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

necro2607 (771790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515350)

Yeah, I managed to pick up an extra nunchuck & wii remote through Amazon, but now they are sold out as well.

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

TheSacrificialFly (124096) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516490)

try nintendo.com, they have remotes and nunchucks in stock, plus a flat $5 shipping which is nice.

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17515368)

www.itrackr.com

Got mine using itrackr in less then 2 days. I paid $2 to watch 10 stores in a 10 mile radius from my house. I got a page when target got some in by my house. I got there and was first in line. I had to wait 10 minutes before they even came to the electronic section.

I also found wii controllers using itrackr. It will send you a email or a text message on your phone the second they go in stock at a store!

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515878)

Well, at least I finally found some spare controllers. At the local Fred Meyer - not on the shelf, but behind the service desk (you had to ask them).

Wasn't there an interactive map of where Wii consoles are (posted on slashdot a week or two ago)? Why not use that? And try places like Best Buy and K-mart too.

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17516262)

Best way I found is to set up an RSS feed for several of the alerts. I signed up for alerts from 3 different places and got lucky as I was at my desk, when the first one came in. I had to get the madden bundle from Target, but the only piece I didnt want was the madden game itself. I already have a trade for Rayman setup for that game. It took about 4-5 days until I got that alert and they did sell out in 10-15 mins, but if you sit at a desk for several hours a day give it a try, you should get one before too long.

Pancho

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518832)

Fred Meyer??? Where you at, man? I'm in Fairbanks. I thought Freddy's was limited to Alaska; or is it all of the Pacific Northwest?

Anyway, I picked mine up here at launch: there were 100 hundred at the store I was at, and 90 at the other one. It was 25 below that day and they reopenned at midnight. I got there about 10:40, and thankfully, they openned the doors and let us in the entry at a little after 11pm. I grabbed a VCC and Twilight Princess, and then a second Wiimote about 5 days later... but no Wii stuff seems to last more than 12 hours on the shelves. I hear they got a shipment of 30 Wiis the other day and they sold out in a matter of a few hours. I've never even seen a nunchuck, VCC, or Wiimote since. It's like launch, but every single day!

I'd heard about how PS3s are being found on shelves in many stores, and I thought that this phenominon was isolated to the lower 48, but I was wrong. The same Freddy's where 30 Wiis are being snatched up in a matter of hours has had about 3 PS3s sitting on the shelf for over 4 days (according to the sales reps).

Re:Still can't find a Wii though... (1)

shades66 (571498) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516566)

I keep being told by Game (UK Highstreet game store) that come feb there will be loads of wii's available or if I want I can find out at 8:30 if they are due any in that day (They keep getting the odd 2 or 3 every few days) and then wait until they are delivered which could be any time of the day the only problem having a job and my boss won't be too impressed if I don't turn up (and they won't let you reserve one as apparently that won't be fair to others that come in asking for the machine!!?!?!). On top of that I have had zelda & wii-play on order from play.com since october and they still haven't had the stocks to despatch them !

PS3 Demos are Great So Far (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514416)

Gran Turismo HD and Motorstorm demos are both outstanding, I spent a couple of hours playing each. Also Tekken 5 is available for Japan and Hong Kong accounts (USA users can create a new user account to download). About $15 USD for the download, it's definitely worth it if you can get passed the non-English menus.

Re:PS3 Demos are Great So Far (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514622)

I agree. All of the demos are fun at least for the small part that you can play them. I downloaded the GripShift demo last night and am looking forward to playing it when I get home from work today. And even F1 is great, but I really want to get better at racing without the aids.

Re:PS3 Demos are Great So Far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17514688)

This is not true. You also need a credit card with Hong Kong address.

Re:PS3 Demos are Great So Far (1)

Deadguy2322 (761832) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516394)

Actually, you are not entirely right. As long as you stay below a certain amount (the equivalent of $20 U.S. IIRC) you don't need to verify your address. You just put the first bit on, then transfer to your wallet, continue until you have enough for the game. Just google it, the instructions are out there.

Re:PS3 Demos are Great So Far (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514792)

Does anyone know the status of steering wheels for the PS3? I saw that Gran Turismo will take a few logitech steering wheels, but I haven't checked if they're PC wheels or proprietary to the PS3. Also, I haven't seen a steering wheel option in any of the other demos.

TW

Re:PS3 Demos are Great So Far (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520584)

Wait can I just check something here. They're charging $15 for demos?

I mean to be fair they charged us UK people $50 for the demo of GT4 (by calling it "Prologue" rather than "demo") but sheesh!.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

psn store (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514418)

Good stuff if its really Multiplayer on the PS3. Id still like to hear why they have been delaying the release of Tekken 5:DR in the US stores. many of us have bought it from Asian stores already, but there is rumor that the NA store release has been delayed for an Online COmponent...that would be amazing.

ot: wii forecast channel (-1, Offtopic)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514436)

Anyone else have problems with the Wii forecast channel? It claims WiiConnect24 is off, but I have it on although WiiConnect24 Standby mode is off because it overheats the box. If I turn on Standby mode it works, but why does it have to be on when WiiConnect24 is already activated?

Re:ot: wii forecast channel (1)

zarthrag (650912) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514646)

I keep plenty of room around my wii, and wiiconnect24 doesn't generate a whole lot of heat - it's at least cooler than my AP. Just leave it on, you ought to be fine ^_^

Re:ot: wii forecast channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17514716)

No problems here. You should move your Wii to a more open area, mine hasn't been turned off (not even to standby) since I bought it in Nov. and no overheating what-so-ever.

Re:ot: wii forecast channel (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518682)

Right. Turn it off and set it to standby then come back and tell me how much heat it generates. :)

When it's on, the fan cools it down. When it's on standby the fan is off but the machine is still working so generating heat. When it's off then there is no fan and no heat.

I don't want my machine to be permanently WiiConnect24 anyway.

Re:ot: wii forecast channel (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514992)

If your Wii is overheating, it is defective. If your Wii is defective, don't be surprised when it doesn't work right. Get it replaced, or send it to me if you are unhappy with it.

not defective, by design (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518696)

In standby mode the fan is off but the machine is still working, so generates heat. It's by design and I don't like it. So I have WiiConnect24 activated, but not when it is off. Weather channel should still work.

Re:not defective, by design (1)

MysticOne (142751) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519650)

No, I think yours really has something wrong with it. With WiiConnect24 activated and on standy, ours isn't even warm.

Argh!! (4, Interesting)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514484)

WHY is Nintnedo delaying the release of Super Mario Bros. 3 and more N64 titles in favor of a lot of the old 8-bit games that (let's face it) not many of us are waiting for? Compatibility problems? Artificial inflation of demand? Not that this list for the VC is all that bad -- hmmm.... Gradius -- but I'm not really looking to spend more Wii points just for the sake of spending Wii points.

Mario, Mario, wherefore art thou a game that Nintendo dost sit upon?

Re:Argh!! (2, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514712)

Some of those games were released as Gameboy Adv or Nintendo DS games. So they have the fiscal dilemma: release a game for $3-$5 USD when they are still trying to sell those games for $20-$30 elsewhere.

Re:Argh!! (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514976)

yup... I had bought Super Mario 64 DS as a christmas gift, then when I saw it had been released on the Wii VC, I returned the $30 DS game and got a $20 Wii points card + some other stuff. Super Mario 64 not only plays better on the Wii it's only $10. Meaning the rest of the points could easily be used for something else.

Re:Argh!! (1)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517570)

I'm thinking about getting the DS version because I've heard the graphics are actually better, there's some new content, and it's portable. I've yet to get a Wii, but my DS is happily replacing it for the time being. Of course, before that I've got Final Fantasy III DS and Tales of Symphonia for Gamecube lined up, and then Zelda when I do get a Wii.

Re:Argh!! (2, Informative)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520582)

Some of the models have more polygons on the DS version. On the other hand, the DS does not seem to do texture interpolation, which leads to moire patterns. Also, the N64 version had better analog steering. On the other hand, you get the minigames on the DS version, as well as a somewhat different story...

I wouldn't say one is definitely better than the other. Get both :-)

Portability vs. permanence vs. resolution (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516580)

I don't have a DS and I'm really not inclined to get one just for those games, although my daughter does have a GBA.

The problem with your argument (not that it's an argument, but anyway...) is that at least the DS and GBA are portable. The Wii is not. Anyone who has both a Wii and a DS/GBA need to decide for themselves which features are more important - the portability and expense of the DS/GBA with a small screen and lower resolution or the low cost but higher resoluion and permanence of the Wii.

The two really are not in the same market. I can't take the Wii with me on a car trip or a waiting room or other places where a DS/GBA can be used, but I doubt that the GBA/DS would look anywhere near as good if connected to my 55" 16:9 TV via component running at 480p. So I don't see why recent releases of those games on DS/GBA should be a factor on whether or not to release them on the Wii.

Re:Portability vs. permanence vs. resolution (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518896)

Well, it still will cut into GBA cart sales. Many people are getting the classic games on the GBA/DS because they can't get them on any other (legal) platform.

Remember, the DS isn't just a portable platform, anymore, it fills a bit of the roll for a full-sized console as well (especially since it can do things that other full sized consoles can't). Quite a few people are getting DSs as their MAIN platform, which means that it WILL compete with the Wii in some cases... this is one of them.

It is ironic that the only N64 game they've released is Mairo64, of which was also released on the DS. I would have thought something like MarioKart64 or Ocarina, something that hasn't been released on a handheld recently, would be the best choice. Although, MarioKart DS is virtually a port of MarioKart64 with new tracks, and there is already a working Wii compatable version of Ocarina (GameCube version), so neither of those are probably the best choices either. Still, Mario 64 was a very strange choice.

Re:Argh!! (5, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514714)

To maximize the interest in the Wii Shop channel, and to maximize their profit on each game, Nintendo is being very careful not to release too many of their biggest games at a particular time. If Nintendo releases one of their major classic titles every 6 to 8 weeks you will likely download it, play it until you complete it or get bored, check out the Wii shop channel every week for 4 to 6 weeks (and possibly buy 1 or 2 lesser known games), and when they release their next big game the cycle continues. If every game was available from the start, or they released too many big games at once, you'd likely buy a bunch of games and not look back at the Wii shop channel for months (or possibly years).

True, but... (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514926)

That's very true and I'm not ignorant of that fact; however, there are a number of games, particularly in the SNES and N64 lineup, that I'm sure people are aching to purchase -- not including those who are aching to get their hands on a Wii, of course. (Maybe I should rephrase that. Anyway...) Considering the rather large library of games for those two systems alone, it's staggering that they're still holding out. It's not that SMB3 would be the only game that people would buy or that it has the highest demand of all of the games. But I believe that SMB3 would be one of their biggest VC sellers, which could then be used as that much more capital that can be applied to the conversion of other titles that are also in high demand.

I'm at least fortunate that I still have an N64 that works just fine with about ten games for it, but that includes Mario 64, which is the only N64 game available on VC. So, I have no interest in purchasing the Wii version unless my N64 completely craps out. And for games that I don't have on the N64, I'd be more apt to purchase a VC version of an N64 game than a 10+ year old cartridge that could have gone through who-knows-what abuse from its previous user(s).

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515108)

That's very true and I'm not ignorant of that fact; however, there are a number of games, particularly in the SNES and N64 lineup, that I'm sure people are aching to purchase --

You know they have to space out the goods. Considering they stated 1-4 downloads every week (despite Christmas having 5, I won't fault them for that :-> ) for around 10 VC games a month think about what that means. It may not seem like alot now, but 10 games a month = 120 games a year for a console with a 4-6 year life span (until we get WII or Wii mark 2) that is a HUGE amount of games.

Wii will continue to see more games that utilize the Wiimote sideways (NES, Genesis, Turbo-16) since the user doesn't have to buy additional hardware, the files are small, and the back catalog is greater. I expect something like 1 N64 game per month, 2 or 3 SNES, and the rest for the NES, Genesis, Turbo-16.

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516292)

That is a huge amount of games, but when you figure that the combined library of N64, NES, SNES, Genesis and TB16 games (plus any additional platforms they may add later... maybe C64?) is far more than 480-720 games, they could speed things up a bit. For a lot of games, there's no point in holding off 3-4 years to release them. Most of the top-shelf games should come out in the first 12-18 months, if not sooner. I think the main delay in a lot of the iconic games like Mario 2 and 3, Super Mario World, Zelda 3, etc, is that they have all been rereleased for GBA within the last couple of years, and Nintendo would probably rather save those for months in-between the big first party releases, like Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy. What I would really like to see on the VC is a bigger mix of game styles, for example, it would be cool to see at least 1 RPG a month, along with all those platformers and puzzle games. Even though they've stated they don't plan on using the VC to bring over games never released in NA, I'm hoping they reconsider and bring over some of those that have had fairly large fan-followings in emulation circles. I would definately pay for an official release of Seiken Densetsu 3, and there are a bunch of other Square Enix games we never saw over here like Bahamut Lagoon and Dragon Warrior/Quest 5 and 6 (and they should release the earlier ones for NES as well).

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

paedobear (808689) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519058)

They refuse to release VC games in a non-fucked up format in Europe - apparently they'll only let you experience games the way they were the first time - so there's no chance of newly translated games coming out...

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519070)

I agree with what you're saying, especially about RPGs. I'm dieing for them to finally release some epic games. Although, there's a good business reason for them NOT to release them, which is that RPGs are usually a full-time deal, once you start playing them, you're more often then not, not going to touch other games for a good 30 hours (in the case of many SNES RPGs, that is)... and that possibly means Wii games. So, currently they're more inclined to release short, arcade-style games that won't interfere with sales of new Wii games. If they were to release, say Chrono Trigger or FF6 (the latter of which you won't see for a VERY long time, due to it's comming release on the GBA), they would likely see a fairly steep decline in sales of Wii games. I hope I'm wrong about this, as I'm a huge RPG gamer.

As for a 6th console, I'd put my money on the Saturn, since it's only about half the power of an N64, and Sega seems more than happy to have their name on the VC. C64 is a bit too obscure, me thinks. My question is, is the Wii powerful enough to emulate a DreamCast? I'd LOVE to finally be able to replay a version of Grandia II that doesn't SUCK (ie: PS2 and PC versions). Also, why not original GameBoy/GBC? The GBAs life is almost over, and original GB games aren't compatable with the DS or GBA Micro, so it's not as if they're going to cut into sales at all. MAYBE they're planning on releasing a GameBoy player for the Wii, but even if that were the case, I'd highly doubt they would see any sales due to GB/GBC games.

A few other things: all those consoles may have over 1000 games, but how many of them are good enough to sell? MOST video games are shelf warmers; think about how many GOD AWEFUL classic NES games there were. If you take only the games that are at least somewhat marketable, you're going to get a lot less. However, I think their ratio of top games is still annoyingly low. Do they really expect that the VC will still be a big thing in 3 years? Maybe... but if they don't release more games than they are now, people aren't going to be able to pay attention for 3 years. I don't think they should be trying to make money off of VC games, it's mostly just an incentive to buy Wiis. If, a year down the line, they have a library of, virtually, every known game on those 5 consoles, people are going to be buying Wiis simply for that... right now, VC isn't going to generate a lot of sales, because people don't really know what the future holds for it... not that Nintendo needs ANY more sales, right now. Maybe that's the thing, they're going to hold back VC games until they actually have Wiis to be sold.

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519464)

One problem with either Saturn or Dreamcast is that the size of a download would be much to large. Internal flash on the Wii is 512 MB. Dreamcast discs could be up to 1GB. While it's a possible that the download for an emulator would be possible, the problem is that the games are not readily available, as most resale stores don't carry them anymore. I think we'd be more likely to see some sort of Saturn hits collection released by Sega than any downloadable Saturn or Dreamcast games.

Re:True, but... The VC is a long term proposition. (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520046)

C64 is a bit too obscure, me thinks.

The C64 still holds the crown as the best selling personal computer of all time. At about 30 million units (not counting the backwards compatible C128) it's certainly less obscure than the TG/16.

(Never owned one myself. I was in the Apple II camp. :)

Re:True, but... (1)

dagamer34 (1012833) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517614)

What I'm thinking is that Nintendo is waiting for a much more established amount of consoles before releasing big games. If you just got a Wii a year from now and SMB3 were available, do you think that you'd buy SMB3 or a lesser known title instead? Nintendo's trying to create some breathing room for titles that aren't necessarily "must-haves" so that when those particular games do come out, other publishers have made some money. Plus, some games are no brainers as promotions. Randomly bundle a copy of SMB3 with Super Mario Galaxy and you can bet that game would literally be flying off shelves faster than you can say "Mama mia!".

Re:Argh!! (3, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514790)

I care about the 8-bit releases. I'll probably spring for a Wii once the old NES standard Bionic Commando becomes available. If only for my own nostalgia. There are lots of great 8 bit games out there. Hey Nintendo, want to make me happy? How about an Atari 800 emulator too? I'd love to play Necromancer again...

Re:Argh!! (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515140)

As much as I liked it "back in the day", Necromancer is not as good as you remember it. Four player M.U.L.E. on Atari is another matter ... and the single best reason to get a Dreamcast.

Re:Argh!! (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515634)

I have to admit, I haven't played Necromancer in a loooong time... but I do have fond memories. I have a couple of 800s sitting in my basement, as well as a 5200. But the floppy drives (and God help the disks) are in bad shape. The 5200 does have a Star Raiders cart that I enjoy from time to time. Though the controller on that thing is hideous. One thing that's annoying about these old gaming systems is that they don't play well with modern HDTVs - especially the old Atari stuff, because many programmers would manipulate the scanline directly and assume a phosphor delay on the CRT that often doesn't exist any longer. *shrug*

Re:Argh!! (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516480)

I remember when I first played Bionic Commando, I thought it was the HARDEST game. I could only get about halfway through. (I found out how far later. At the time, I thought I was only a little ways into it.) A decade later, it was pretty easy, of course. It will definitely be on my 'buy' list for the VC.

Others on my list: Super Mario Bros 2 and 3, Ghostbusters (1, not 2), and another game that I forget the name of, but played incessantly. (I'll know it as soon as I see it... It was something about a knight and ghosts. Kind of a side-scroller, but not really. Grr.)

Re:Argh!! (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516756)

For the NES, Ghosts and Goblins, and for the SNES, Super Ghouls and Ghosts. The one where your default weapon was a lance that you threw, and if you got hit your armor fell off leaving you in your underwear. In particular Ghosts and Goblins was one of the most evil games I can ever remember playing.

Re:Argh!! (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517336)

I already looked into that one, because I thought the game started with a G... But it doesn't seem to be it. I know I found it once as a ROM on the net, but that was like 5 or 10 years ago now.

Another one that I REALLY like is Blaster Master, the original one. I dunno why, but I spent forever with that game.

Re:Argh!! (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516924)

I hate to admit this but Alien vs. Predator was a freak'n amazing game. I've got that, along with a pile of old snes carts. And the snes, which still works great - it took one hell of a beating and never broke!

Re:Argh!! (1)

Andrew Kismet (955764) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517552)

Ghosts and Goblins sprang to mind, but... are you talking about Gauntlet? That has too many damn Ghosts. VALKYRIE NEEDS FOOD.

Preventing cannibalization; emulator bugs (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514800)

WHY is Nintnedo delaying the release of Super Mario Bros. 3

Because Nintendo is still selling Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 for Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS's GBA compatibility mode.

and more N64 titles

Nintendo is selling N64 titles on the Nintendo DS.

Compatibility problems?

Could be part of it. I've read reports of sound being off. If the emulator used for NES games in Virtual Console is anything like the emulator used for NES games in Animal Crossing Population Growing for GameCube, then it appears that bug-for-bug compatibility isn't Nintendo's first priority. Specifically, the "killed by spark" sound on emulated Balloon Fight isn't nearly as buzzy as the sound on the NES cartridge version; it's more like a hum. If Nintendulator, Nestopia, and FCE Ultra on a comparably powerful PC (PIII 866 MHz, 128 MB RAM) can get it right, then why can't Nintendo's own emulator? Furthermore, Nintendo wants to avoid the problems that Konami has had where the two players on Contra for Xbox Live Arcade have got out of sync.

Re:Preventing cannibalization; emulator bugs (1)

StocDred (691816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515622)

Because Nintendo is still selling Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 for Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS's GBA compatibility mode. Nintendo is selling N64 titles on the Nintendo DS.

I agree with your sentiments, but that reply is a tad flip. The GBA version of SMB3 was released in October 2003, hardly a sales threat to a VC release and not even a blip on the DS scene. And the only N64 game on the VC - Super Mario 64 - was already released for the DS anyway! Looking at the DS library, I don't see a lot of straight N64 games on the DS that people would want on the Wii... as far as ports/sequels go, it's mostly SNES-style stuff (Castlevania) or new games with N64 graphics (Starfox Command).

And then there's all those awful $20 NES retro-releases for the GBA... several of them are already on the VC, and I'll bet that by this time next year, ALL of those retro-releases will be on the Virtual Console. So Nintendo doesn't seem too terribly concerned about the GBA/DS stuff creating a sales conflict. They seem more interested in releasing everything twice (or more) in hopes you pay for it both times.

The point is that distributing the games on a weekly trickles creates anticipation. It sucks, but that's marketing for you.

Re:Preventing cannibalization; emulator bugs (1)

El Gigante de Justic (994299) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516424)

This made me think of one interesting point. There have been at least 3 slightly different version of most of the NES Super Mario games: the original NES version, the GBA version and the SNES version included in Super Mario All-Stars (along with Mario the Lost Levels). So, is Nintendo more likely to release the original versions ($15 for the 3 games), the enhanced SNES version ($8 for the 3 games) or some new version which includes enhancements from the GBA version ($8-10?). They really don't have to worry about the ability to save since VC has a built in save state ability, but the ability to have multiple saves on each game from Super Mario All-Stars could be appreciated by households with many gamers.

Re:Preventing cannibalization; emulator bugs (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519136)

Probably all three... why not? Many Mario afficianados would gladly buy all versions of SMB3. No reason to only release one. However... I don't see any plans to bring GBA games to the VC (although I'm sure it and GB/GBC are probably already built into the emulator), so it'll probably be some time (if ever) before we see Super Mario Bros. Advanced 4 (SMB3 for GBA) on the VC. I do wonder whether they'll asshole us and split up Super Mario Allstars into 4 different games. SMB3 is virtually an SNES game in style and gameplay, and the SMA version makes the game almost identical (from the standpoint of era) to Super Mario World, which they will probably eventually sell for $8. So, why not simply sell them individually? Maybe it's not worth it, for the bad press they'll get (VC isn't a billion dollar industry, afterall).

Currently, they're keeping it all REALLY simple. You're not seeing any additional features, any game changes/updates in the slightest. I bet that down the line, we'll see online multiplayer... multitap emulation (Secret of Mana... wooohooo!), not to mention, they've not said, either way, whether or not they'll be releasing Japanese-only games over here, which would be VERY nice.

Re:Argh!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17515656)

WHY is Nintnedo delaying the release of Super Mario Bros. 3 and more N64 titles in favor of a lot of the old 8-bit games that (let's face it) not many of us are waiting for?

a) To give third-parties a chance to get their games some attention. Nobody would care about Toejam and Earl if Super Mario World and Ocarina of Time were released in the same week, and third-parties would abandon the VC due to poor sales. As it is, with Nintendo "rationing" their AAA games, third-party games are getting some attention.

b) To give the VC a longer life-span. If they released all their AAA games at once, then people would just download them and never look at the VC again. If they release one AAA game a month, then people will go to the VC each month to download that game, and probably grab a few others while they are there.

I would have preferred Nintendo to just dump all of the games on the VC at once, but I can understand why they are doing things the way they are.

Re:Argh!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17519622)

You wanna know the truth? The virtual console is a low-investment, low return job for Nintendo. Porting is probably the company's lowest priority right now. There are two HUGE Wii titles coming up in the next few months, still more titles that need to be translated for their American and European releases, and even more things coming up for the DS (including a full-length Zelda title.) When the Wii becomes more widespread and the big launch windows games have arrived, they'll put more people on the VC project.

Almost never heard of.... (3, Interesting)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514704)

Dungeon Explorer, as well as the shmup Gradius and the sidescrolling shooter Soldier Blade

Well, i've never heard of Dungeon Explorer or Soldier Blade, but DE seems like an interesting game, I might download that one. However, I'm still waiting for my Baseball Stars and Tecmo Super Bowl. =) I already got my Toe Jam and Earl, but I'm still crossing my fingers for Metal Warriors and waiting for Super Mario World (SNES).

Boy, Nintendo is surely making a killing on these (expensive) download games ($5-10 for what? Converting a ROM?)

Cheers,
Fozzy

Re:Almost never heard of.... (1)

Rydia (556444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514818)

And for testing, and royalties for non-nintendo system games.

Re:Almost never heard of.... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519160)

Not to mention ESRB ratings... which costs time and money.

Re:Almost never heard of.... (1)

elcid73 (599126) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515418)

It was an old game on the Turbo Grafix-16.

Most people haven't even heard of the console let alone the games :)

Re:Almost never heard of.... (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518828)

Dungeon Explorer? I think that was a gauntlet clone for Sega CD, or something similar.

Turbo Grafix-16 (2, Interesting)

elcid73 (599126) | more than 7 years ago | (#17514836)

...you were ahead of your time with your color handheld game that took the same credit card sized game cartridges of as the regular console. I'll wax nostolgic about how I used to play Dungeon Explorer until the wee hours of the morning- on a quest for Natas.

Some quality spin there (0, Troll)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515424)

The Wii titles are out, while the PS3's downloadable titles are announced with no firm release date, given that it appears the downloading feature hasn't even been used yet -- does anyone know if it's ready at all?

Re:Some quality spin there (2, Funny)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515640)

I especially liked how they barely mentioned the 360 releases. Everyone knows that Sony is god.

Re:Some quality spin there (4, Informative)

DarkJC (810888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515708)

What? The downloading feature has definitely been used, for PS3 specific games, PS1 games released for PSP, game demos, and more. I'm not sure where you're coming from.

Re:Some quality spin there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17516356)

I'm not sure where you're coming from.


He's coming from the position of an uninformed Sony basher. They're easy to spot by how quick they are to jump on any perceived Sony fault (slow ramp-up of their on-line network and work to implement multiplayer on-line in non-online games, yet to forgive any fault of Nintendo (no on-line multiplayer support for the Wii ... except at some future time).

Re:Some quality spin there (2, Interesting)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517062)

I'm coming from TFA:
The first titles from the deal should be made available in "early 2007." Sony Online Entertainment also hinted that this would be only the beginning of the company's downloadable PS3 offerings.
I read that as "no release date, in fact no downloadable games yet for the PS3 at all". I don't have a PS3 and since it isn't out locally nor do any of my friends, so I guess, yes, you could say I was uninformed, but that's why I ended with a question mark.

Anyway, that's still the Wii's release vs the PS3's announcement with no firm release date.

Re:Some quality spin there (3, Informative)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516138)

Yeah...been downloading arcade and demos and etc since day one release. Been playing Gran Turismo HD and Tekken 5: DR from their download service. Not sure what the OP is saying.

Re:Some quality spin there (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518876)

But the PS3 downloads have been shipped!

5 downloadable PS3 games available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17519448)

Go Sudoko, Lemmings 2, GripShift (www.gripshiftgame.com), Blast Factor, and Cash Guns Chaos are already available for purchase and download on PS3. Sony Online Entertainment was the publisher for GripShift and Cash Guns Chaos, SCE for the rest.

Additionally, there are several PSOne games which can be downloaded for PSP, several demos of full retail PS3 products, and many trailers on the marketplace.

Gauntlet 2 eh? (1)

Leviance (1001065) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515428)

Good to see Sony is getting at least one good game on their machine. I loved playing Gauntlet 2 back when I was 6 with my brother.. We got up to around level 200 before we realized the game never ended. Pissed us off royally.

Too bad I won't be buying a PS3. At least I can dig up the old NES sometime and play it ;p

Green Elf, your life force is running out!

No turbografix for Australians (2, Interesting)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515692)

As the original system was not released here :( I'm not sure why Nintendo wont release the games to Australian users. Any ideas?

But you can get the games by changing your region to UK and then download. But the consumer shouldnt have to do that.

Re:No turbografix for Australians (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17515936)

But you can get the games by changing your region to UK and then download. But the consumer shouldnt have to do that.

I had no idea you can do that. Do the Wii points still work? I'd be interested in picking up Fire Emblem from Japan... (with a US Wii)

Re:No turbografix for Australians (3, Informative)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516128)

Yes the Wii points work. The manual does warn that you may lose your Wii points by changing regions but so far that has not happened (I have "moved" to the UK twice, once to get Bomberman and once to get R-Type).

Just to be safe I wouldn't do it if you had a lot of Wii Points in your account. There doesn't seem to be a discount for buying Wii Points in bulk so there is no reason to buy anything other than the smallest amount anyway.

Re:No turbografix for Australians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17516204)

There's another story on Slashdot somewhere where Nintendo announced they have committed firmly to 'not releasing any title that was not available in a given region.' No TG16, no games from it were released, you're not getting any.

Which seems like a bad marketing decision, and I think if Square hands them a translated Seiken Densetsu 3 or something they may edge toward changing their minds.

Anybody download Dungeon Explorer... (1)

mzs (595629) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516050)

that played it on an original TG16? Military Madness was a mess when you got to larger levels, slow scrolling with the sound cutting out. I want confirmation dorm someone before I d/l DE that the emulation is better than in military madness.

Wii Comparison (1)

SinGunner (911891) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516186)

Just out of curiosity, how many games do you guys have over there? In Japan we had 49 on the virtual console last week. I'm pretty sure we've had Gradius a long time. I'm not sure how many we have now.

Re:Wii Comparison (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516708)

We're basically getting hosed with random stuff and the occasional big title. Japan seems to get everything first.

Re:Wii Comparison (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519232)

Eh, Japan has Link to the Past and Mario Kart 64, and maybe one or two other games. Now, both of those I would download in a HEARTBEAT, and I'm kinda upset that they still haven't released them here (there were many rumors of MK64 being released today, but obviously, that didn't happen). But aside from those, we've got pretty much the same lineup.

I'm wondering that it has something to do with the fact that the GameCube was much bigger over there, so more people have the controllers to play SNES and N64 games. Releasing SNES and N64 games will sell a LOT of VCCs over here in the US, since adoption of the Wii by people who didn't have GameCubes is a lot bigger. VCCs are in incredibly short supply right now, so selling huge N64 and SNES titles would not sell ANY VCCs, and many fewer people would be able to play them. I was lucky in that I got a VCC at launch, and I also had a GameCube, so I have 4 Wavebirds sitting around... so I'm hungry for SNES and N64 games... but I guess I'll have to wait for another month or two, until VCCs start sitting on shelves.

Re:Wii Comparison (1)

Mr. Hankey (95668) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520122)

Just having returned from Japan, there also seemed to be more games outside of the virtual console. I could have picked up as many controllers as I wanted. Joshin Pit, Midori and Yodobashi camera all had them in stock. Out of the electronics stores I visited though, only Yodobashi-Umeda had the power supplies which is what I was after. I brought the US Wii along for my niece and nephews to try out, and of course the Japanese games wouldn't play on it so I could only look at the games that may never make it here.

Incidentally, and even more off topic, we were far luckier with the DS as it's region-free. The dictionary app was an excellent purchase for me, and my wife picked up an English TOEIC preparation program. DQM: Joker isn't bad either, if you like pokemon-style monster fighting/RPG games. I wonder if it'll ever come stateside; as it is, it's entertaining Japanese reading practice if nothing else.

Rampart (1)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516908)

Ah, online Rampart at last, after all these years!

I still wouldn't pay $600 for it, though.

Re:Rampart (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518852)

It's not a system-selling feature, but adding online play to old multiplayer games is a Good Thing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Joust wound up with a small but fanatical following online, I've been dragged into multiplayer matches and they turned into grudge matches very quickly. If I end up with a PS3 I'll probably pick up a couple of these. If Sony is smart (heh) they'll show you how many people are only currently while you're shopping for downloads (these days, that'd be patentable).

How cool a gig would it be to update an old game and add a big feature ?

Midway Classic Collections (1)

Taulin (569009) | more than 7 years ago | (#17516916)

Midway has already put out several collections that include those games. I believe they are out for PS2 and Cube, so if the PS3 and Wii are backwards compatible, I don't understand why people are excited about titles like Guantlet 2 and Rampage since you can already get them for your system, and not waste HD space. I love retro gaming on my new 360, and can't wait to get the other systems, but if they are in a collection, I opt for that. The only problem with the 360 is its crappy compatibility, but I heard the Wii and PS3 are really good about that making those collections even more worth while in my opionion.

Re:Midway Classic Collections (2, Informative)

hurfy (735314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517132)

Fair warning on midway collections....

Skip the PC versions :(

Starforce infested and sucky sucky controls. No steering wheel recognition for race games, no joystick for joystick operated games, etc. Annoying interface and bloated install. Very cheesy port of a port, some shareware ripoffs are better done. Maybe #1 was ok, but #2 sucked and #3 was worse.

At least these guys can't possibly do any worse with the d/l games.

Re:Midway Classic Collections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17517750)

At Midway, we actually have a saying:

There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Midway.

Re:Midway Classic Collections (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519256)

Wii/GameCube yes... PS2, no way... I bought the Sonic Collection for PS2 (because it included a bunch of GameGear games), and boy was I dissapointed, all the emulations were screwed up, sound was slow and out of sync, and I remember the GameCube version being completely flawless. I don't know about the Midway collection, but I've heard about other PS2 classic collections having problems, before.

meh (1)

DaSH Alpha (979904) | more than 7 years ago | (#17517450)

don't care until there's free downloadables for the Wii...

Re:meh (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519512)

Well, there is the Opera browser for it that's available for free right now. I'd take a look at it, it's pretty neat for stuff like Youtube, Flash Games and such. However, it's a bit of a pain for browsing large discussion threads in slashdot, and for typing as well.

However, hopefully there is some firmware update that will become available that will support forms of wire(d|less) USB keyboards. Then I'll actually be able to surf the web on a nice 40" TV. :)

An idea for Nintendo... (3, Interesting)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518008)

How about a trade-in program so those of us with the original NES/SNES/N64/Sega/NEC game cartridges can exchange the old physical game carts for their Wii virtual console counterparts? That way, these aging game carts can be collected at a centralized location and recycled (as in real recycling, not the "sprawl the toxic parts on the ground of a third world country" type). They could also offer such a service to recycle old consoles as well, and then credit the user 500-1000 points for each console they send in.

15-20 years worth of games/consoles adds up to one hell of a lot landfill space.

Re:An idea for Nintendo... (1)

Pitr (33016) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518626)

Um... it's called Ebay. ;)

Re:An idea for Nintendo... (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520512)

Or they could actually let those of us who don't like emulation and actually prefer to play the game as designed have them rather than destroying parts of history just so you can get some money off a shit version of a game you already own.

If you have the original carts, you could, you know, PLAY the original carts.

A chance to not play them again! (0, Troll)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 7 years ago | (#17518458)

Woo hoo! I get a ignore these games a second time around! Thank you, Sony et al!

*shaking of head*

This is as sad as those aging musicians who keep releasing "The Best of..." albums instead of recording something, oh, I don't know...NEW?

Re:A chance to not play them again! (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17519270)

Yeah... since Nintendo seems so distracted by the VC that they can't do anything good anymore.

Oh wait, they just released Zelda: Twilight Princess... scratch that.

Re:A chance to not play them again! (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17520526)

To be fair though, that's about the 15th Zelda game, it's not VERY new ip.
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