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Jeremy Paxman, BBC, Interview with Bill Gates

Hemos posted more than 14 years ago | from the good-inteviewer dept.

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craggyisland writes "One of BBC's top interviewers, Jeremy Paxman, has done an interview with Bill Gates where he "admits his company Microsoft will one day be replaced." Read the article on BBC News Online " The interview will air Oct. 17, but the conversations seems to have ranged from pornography, the DOJ case (of course), and the charities he's involved with.

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Re:Why should we hate Bill? (4)

Effugas (2378) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611909)

People get angry at Bill for the rather nasty tactics his company uses...like, say, cancelling Compaq's license to sell Windows because they were trying to remove the Internet Explorer icon from the desktop. Or pulling some Soviet Revisionism on that Linux Netshow Player which disappeared off the face of the microsoft.com planet. Or removing critical Knowledge Base entries regarding Samba compatibility.

Check out any of the Halloween papers. Is he a geek? Yup. There's a definite sense of betrayal and violent tendancies, though, that's accumulated through years of abuses against the industry as a whole.

The company's behavior gets projected on him, which may or may not be fair.

Yours Truly,

Dan Kaminsky
DoxPara Research
http://www.doxpara.com


Will it run on BBC World? (1)

Get Behind the Mule (61986) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611910)

The article says that the interview will run on BBC Two on Sunday at 8pm (UK Slashdotters take note).

I get BBC World. Anyone have any idea whether it will be on there?

Re:Gates? Innovation? um... (1)

ElvenKnight (40562) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611911)

>"The thing we're involved with has democratised >communications and anyone can publish on the >internet."
>Ah, yes. MS taking credit for the internet.

Bill Gates and Al Gore, pioneering the worlds future!
heh.. :P

Re:First to charge for software? (1)

rnturn (11092) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611922)

``he was the first, or perhaps one of the first, to charge for software.''

Only if you believe that the first computer was the IBM PC.

Everyone was charging for software for a long time before that. A former boss was part of a team that wrote their own OS for an IBM 370 (or was a 360,... can't remember now) because IBM's was way too expensive. DEC certainly charged for their PDP-11 OSs.

``Free'' software was certainly available. Some of it even came from vendors (the DEC contributions to the DECUS library come to mind) but I would say that the vast majority of it did not come from the systems vendors.

Re:Genuine People Personalities? (1)

ianezz (31449) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611923)

So are we going to get also scrollbars that see in advance which part of those _damned_ fixed width dialog windows the user wants to see? Scrollbars are elevators, after all :-)

At least, it would be useful. But no, I wouldn't like scrollbars going on strike and feel depressed because they only go up and down (or left and right).

Re:So, did Paxman ask any of those nasty questions (1)

albalbo (33890) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611924)

What nasty questions can you ask? What is really going to irk Bill? To be honest, I don't think he really has any area that would bother him in the same way as a politician . . i.e., "So Bill, I'm told linux could destroy Windows and take your company down with it. What do you think about that?" Bill spouts some marketdroid rubbish, etc., but the truth would be "Well, I've made my millions, so I don't really care anymore". You can't crack someone like that, he's footloose and fancy-free.

Flamebait? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611925)

Please, these are valid observations, and probably echo those of most /. readers. Maybe moderation needs to add "improperly classified" to the list of options, in addition to "over/underrated" so that moderators can change the classification of the posts content without changing the post's score.

Re:So, did Paxman ask any of those nasty questions (1)

Gid1 (23642) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611926)

Sometimes Paxman does wimp out.. he's better at scaring politicians. We'll see what he does on Sunday then.

There was a good Jon Snow interview with Billy-Boy a few months back. Snow did a pretty nice job of making Bill out to be the devil. Let's see how well Paxman does it.

Re:So, did Paxman ask any of those nasty questions (1)

handorf (29768) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611927)

OK, point, but I still wanted to see him squirm.

"So Bill, I understand that you're a soulless marketer who has abandoned his inner geek and given in to sheer greed. How has this affected your view of emerging technologies?"

Or Something.

Well, lets see... (1)

Juln (41313) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611928)

Mainly because he operate his business with cuthroat, vicious tactics and has no compunctions about lying, slandering and misleading. Or at least his organization doesnt.
Not to mention that MS's software has been directly responsible for wasting millions of hours in what otherwise could have been useful time - Windows DOES NOT WORK RIGHT and neither do scores of thier applications. Have you noticed this? I sure did. I installed linux 2 days ago after my Win98 system developed a habit of suddenly rebooting everytime I opened my CD drive.
If I owned 20% of a company like that, I would be ashamed of myself for not fixing IT!!! THEY SUCK!!!

thats why.

I wanted to add, I am free to use any catsup I please - if 90% of all french fries were incompatible with any condiment other than Heinz Brand, i would be pissed. Or maybe just use green chile sauce.


Re:I think I feel a haiku coming on.... (0)

infojack (25600) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611929)

Why hasn't he earned it? FUCK YOU PEOPLE! the guy worked hard to get where he was, he did sit at home infront of his computer reading slashdot making fun of one guy becuase they don't think his OS is leet.

Different personailities (1)

Fjord (99230) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611930)

Isn't this just MicroSoft Bob with voice instead of text bubbles? Will it sell this time? Can we disable these little buddies (I can't figure out how to disable the clip in Word. I've been told it can't be done).

Speaking of buddies, my wife runs a program that has a talking parrot that read webpages out lout while she does stuff and tells her about other webpages that she may be interested in based on what pages she's been to (it also has some "my portal" type service). I wonder if Bill is thinking of buying the technology from them or just crushing them.

Wishing I could remember the name of that program

Paxman's reactions (1)

mcewanca (42761) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611934)

I can't wait to see this, expecially the part where Paxman asks him if he's "serious" about selectable computer personalities.

Personally, I don't see Gates getting too far on University Challenge...

Lets all do the Gates Shake! (0)

ElvenKnight (40562) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611935)

I wonder if Gates shook back and forth violently
during the interview like he did in the DOJ taped
interview? :)

The richest man in the world, also appearently
the most nervous person in the world.. Odd. :)

Re:Paxman's reactions (1)

Psiren (6145) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611938)

I think that's probably just a reflection of Paxman's limited knowledge of comnputing in general. I would imagine this is possible pretty soon anyway, so Bill has a good point here.

Re:Paxman's reactions (1)

jhughes (85890) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611940)

Computers with personalities? Why am I slightly concerned by the idea of Microsoft making semi intelligent computers in the future with personalities? Right now there's programs that wont work on the computer without IE 4.0 or whatever, wouldn't it be a bummer if a Microsoft personality said "I don't like Word Perfect, you should use office" and stopped it from being installed? (Granted, that'd probably violate more laws, but since when has that stopped MS?:)

Some observations... (2)

rde (17364) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611942)

He adds: "Someone who owns a newspaper can pick up the phone to editor and say 'run headlines I like'. What we do is create tools like a word processor that lets people express their ideas"
Yeah. Bill doesn't ring me up and tell me to replace MHz with Mhz. Word goes ahead and does it for him.


[Billy]claims never to have heard a Bill Gates joke.
No! Really? "Say, Bill, I heard a good one the other day."
Fifteen minutes later your dog's head is in your bed and someone's installed W98 on all your machines.

Windows already has multiple personalities... (2)

Hobbex (41473) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611944)

Windows may be blue out of the box, but there are ways to make it much more happy. At least the part [pla-netx.com] of it you see most...

-
/. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.

M$ Charity (0)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611946)

Microsoft Charity, n.: 1. To devour whole, to succumb to, to be assimilated into a larger collective by subversive means. 2. A foundation in Redmond, WA. Example: "My college has been given some MS Charity and now the Registration office is just a sign that says'This is Where You Will Go Today'!" See Also: Windoze, Bill Gates, FOAD.

--

I think I feel a haiku coming on.... (2)

freakho (28342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611948)

This article has inspired me to new artistic heights...

the big software man
he's scary rich and truly
thinks he earned it all

(and yes, tounge firmly in cheek on that "artistic heights" thing)

Freakho

Re:pleeeeeeeeeease (1)

jsm2 (89962) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611949)

You could spend the next week in a hotel or something and hope that it comes on the b****y awful BBC World?

jsm

Re:Paxman's reactions (1)

rjreb (30733) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611950)

to paraphrase Henry Ford:

"One of the things you will be able to select is the personality," Gates tells his interviewer.

"You're not serious?," Mr Paxman asks.

"As long as it's Bob," answered the squeaky one.

Ultimate proof Bill Gates is not in our world. (1)

afniv (10789) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611951)

Bill Gates is often described as being in his own world. Finally we have proof:

...outlines his vision of the technological future and claims never to have heard a Bill Gates joke.

Now, really. You don't have to go far to hear a Bill Gates joke. He must REALLY be isolated on his little perch with his VPs around him.

~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"

Gates Interview Transcript Leaked! (5)

dougman (908) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611952)

Yes, yes, your old pal the DougMan has in fact secured the currently-unreleased transcript of the Bill Gates interview conducted by our good friend Mr. Paxman. And it seems likely to THIS secret agent that some of this interview will never see the light of day...so to whet everyone's appetite, here is what will probably be a lost snippet from the interview, never meant to see the light of day... (lights please)...

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: Microsoft is innovating in many ways.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: Microsoft is an innovator in baby seal technology.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: Microsoft has made the lives of many baby seals easier with its technological innovations.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: (long pause, no answer)

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: Windows 2000 will enable baby seals everywhere to enjoy the benefits of Active Directory technology.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: In the future, baby seals will be able to talk to their PCs , and the PCs will talk back.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: Eventually, all baby seals will be replaced.

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: (nervous twitch, long pause)

Paxman: Have you ever clubbed a baby seal?

Gates: (violent shaking, Gates, falls to the floor and suffers a grand mal seizure. After being tended to by medics he gets back up and sits down.)

Paxman: I'll take that as a yes. Have you ever kidnapped babies and sold them on eBay?



There it is folks, a world exclusive. Don't share this with anyone!


Re:Ground-breaking innovation? (0)

infojack (25600) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611953)

Whats up with this LINUS guy? He takes a well know OS (UNIX) and ruins it to make his little OS.

To bad Linus and the linux comunity can't be orignial, always trying to copy from windows. If you don't beleive me, go look at past posts, where people are saying "we need to fix linux so it installs more like windows", "we need a word97 clone for linux", "we need a decent browser for linux"

BOOO to LINUS! down with him, BEOS.. no those people are inovators.

Assinine Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611954)

"He acknowledges that someone may be working on the type of ground-breaking innovation he came up with in the 1970s to revolutionise the industry."

Well, that's the first lie, so I stopped reading.

Everyone knows Microsoft is big for one reason only: Gary Kildall Digital Research failed to win the IBM contract, and Bill Gates got it using QDOS, a product he didn't write. So, the story ended there for me. No innovation, only dumb luck.

So, I don't know what the rest of it is about, but his charities I do know about sound like a raw deal.

1) Giving all his wealth to medical research within his lifetime. Well, that seems stupid to me. What will happen is the government will just cut funding in a similar amount, just like they do with the schools and the lottery. And it's one thing to promise a gift, but another to follow through. How many people are going to die of the diseases this fund is supposed to attack while Billy Borg lives another 50 years? And when I read this guy's usual funding language, a lot of it is NOT IN CASH, but MICROSOFT PRODUCTS AND SERVICES. Scam, Scam.

2) The college fund. Something like billions of dollars to a find to help women and minorities get into engineering and the sciences. Sounds racist and sexist to me. My nephews will never see a dime, because they have penises. My nieces might qualify because they have vaginas. Nice logic there, Bill. And that's FOREVER! The fund will always provide grants exclusively to poor, non-white-males.

Another lame article about a lame company with a lame CEO.



Re: WonkaScrollBars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611955)

What you want are WonkaScrollBars they go upways and downways and frontways and backways and sideways and slantways.

That's going to be my revolutionary groundbreaking contribution to a "world without Microsoft". ... or maybe I'll just port BASIC to the Cray.

Anonymous Kevin

Re:Pointless - just like Bill! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611956)

Why is the interview boring? Because that's who Gates is: boring. Don't believe me? Read one of his books. Now, if the National Enquirer could only arrange for him to be caught in a hotel room with a bimbo....

Re:Pointless (1)

radja (58949) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611957)

the BBC may wait to put up the good stuff until the interview has been aired..

Re:Pointless (1)

Neil (7455) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611958)

I got the impression that the BBC Online "article" is basically just a teaser for the broadcast interview on Sunday ... as written it's a very general and woolly overview.

Hopefully Paxo will be on form when we get to see the real thing. :-)

Re:Pointless (1)

deefer (82630) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611969)

Paxman only plays hardball with certain politicians, depending on the BBC's bias at the time. I've seen him turn into a complete big girls blouse when interviewing certain Cabinet ministers.
I'd love to see Bill interviewed by a total animal like Clive Anderson (anybody remember him completely taking apart Jeffery Archer a while back?), or a terrier like Raj Persaud. But how much of the interview do you think the Micro$lop spin doctors will leave on the cutting floor, even if Paxman does have a workout on Barking Billy?
And I'll bet this is never mentioned in any interview, but it's a great link. [pla-netx.com]

Re:Unfair to Microsoft (1)

Pete Bevin (291) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611970)

The Blue Screen Of Death - what other operating system has the BSOD?

Oh, be fair. The BSOD is just a cheap rip-off of the Amiga's Guru Meditation Number.

Business Innovation (1)

afniv (10789) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611971)

I think it might have been to charge a fee per computer for the privilege to include MS-DOS preinstalled so that users can use the computer after unpacking it and pulling out hairs learning DOS.

~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"

Re:Pointless (1)

Robert Link (42853) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611972)

Well, in fairness, the article looks more like a teaser for the segment on BBC-2 than a report on the interview per se. So, it's not too surprising that it's short on "useful information". They want you to tune in to the interview.


As a side note, I had the opportunity to see Bill Gates speak when he came to Indiana University, and I have to confess that he is a compelling speaker. He can seriously turn on the charm when he wants to. Whatever you think of Microsoft or Gates himself, it's sure to be interesting viewing; tune in if you possibly can.

Re:Why should we hate Bill? (3)

cliffski (65094) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611973)

Everyone seems to slam Bill gates but at the end of the day, hes a capitalist in a capitalist system, playing by that systems rules and winning. If you want an alternative system then fine, but dont knock bill for being too good at the game. Microsoft fights dirty, just like all small young eager companies do, they just get the hunger beaten out of them when they get older. If you had a chum running a little software company who fought just as eagerly for his company as Bill did, yet only tunred over $50k youd think he was an underground geek hero. The fact that this particular geek won big time shouldnt change that.
I applaud Bill gates, hes one of the only hugely rich guys who is one of us (hes a coder just like most of us geeks).
And BTW, I have 2 windows machines at home that never NEVER crash, despite one being used as a development environment. I may get flamed for this, but Windows98 is as stable as any other operating system ive seen...

Cliffski

Re:"We're not at all involved..." (1)

colnago (91472) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611974)

I have to say that I create text files in notepad when working in windows because I hate working around the preformatting commands in Word.

But to their credit, if you take the time working through all the options you can usually turn all that stuff off and create a pretty decent text editor.

Re:Flamebait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611975)

That's what meta-moderation is for.

Time for a history lesson (1)

freakho (28342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611976)

First off, CHILL with the all caps, and 2nd, read your history. He took every idea (and this isn't something we /.ers made up) he ever had from people who didn't see their value and basically gave them to him. His one skill is foresight, which is deserving of some respect, surely, but there are lots of people who have had geater foresight than he and never received, and occaisionally never even asked for, rewards. Add to that that he takes credit for just about every innovation in computing exept for the transistor and you may begin to see where this dislike came from. 'Kay?

Freakho

ClipDeth: This is Eddie, your shipbo<urk!> (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611977)

To kill Clippie once and for all: find the directory called 'Actors' under Program Files/Microsoft Office/Office. Rename the directory to 'BadActors' or some such. All the little hellions reside there, and that will clobber them permanently and reversibly.

"..no say in how they choose to use it." Is billga~1 admitting they don't review or test their UI's whatsoever?

Re:Pointless (1)

mcewanca (42761) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611978)

Hey, I wonder if we could get Channel 4 to persuade him to do an interview with Mark Thomas? ;-)

MS influence over newspaper content... (3)

Tet (2721) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611989)

Outside of the computer press(this includes computer sections of mainstream press), MS exerts almost zero influence. [...] He feels Murdoch works to pollute and shape the minds of his readers.

On the day Windows 95 was launched, MS payed News International (owned by one Rupert Murdoch, and my current employer) to sponsor The Times, one of the UK's most respected papers, for a day -- basically the paper was free for that one day. Coincidentally, The Times chose to run a hefty pullout section that day about Windows 95, in which it claimed Bill Gates was globally accepted as being the most brilliant programmer of his generation. Still think MS doesn't have influence over the mainstream press? This one incident appalled and disgusted me, but it did make me realise just how much money talks... Oh, and by the way, I won't deny that Murdoch shapes and pollutes the minds of his readers. He blatantly does, but then again, the sort of people that read The Sun don't have much of a mind to start with :-)

Re:Perspective from "The Enemy" (2)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611990)

I'm kinda curious--when was the last time a major media outlet criticized(or at least reported negatively) about a parent company? MSNBC has delivered significant praise to Linux, and I believe has at least truthfully reported on the DoJ lawsuit. I wonder how often this could be said about the media world.

This is just my perception, but could be true. When MSNBC first came on air, they also seemed to be a mouthpeice for MS. Which is exactly what everyone expected. At an amazingly fast pace they seemed to have changed their policies, talking in the matter of days. So most likly they figured out that they could never been taken as a serious news source as long as they where influenced by ownership and advertisers. They seem to be following this new policy rather well, and I have alot of repect for them, and glad they realized they wouldn't last following the old model.

Re:Lets all do the Gates Shake! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611991)

It's Parkinson's disease - and he doesn't have it. And as someone who had a grandparent die from it... GROW UP!

Re:Bill Gates and Innovations? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611992)

You mean like the usual Microsoft/Windows bashing we see on /. on any given day? "Know the facts before you distort them" - Ernest Hemmingway bh

Then he should have asked (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611993)

"... how can this be with your companies' track record of pressuring small, innovative companies to either not compete or be absorbed into M$? Your currently on trial just for the behavior of leveraging a near monopoly in one area, and the vast profits derived from that monopoly, to effectively squelch anyone who could conceviably challange that monopoly? So far the pattern has been M$ finds themselves behind in some area, such as Internetworking, which was barely mentioned in your book "The Road Ahead", and then scrambles to catch up and take over. Companies such as Netscape and AOL's Instant Messaging come to mind as OTHER people's innovations re-appropriated by leveraging your desktop monopoly, and creating the misleading impression amongst non-computer industry customers that there were somehow M$ creations. By the way, Bill - how come our accounts payable PC suddenly can't read email due to a registry error? Do you think the time and costs spent by customers cleaning up M$ 'bit rot' unfairly contributes to the profits of your company, especially considering that your products are 'closed-proprietary' making them even more difficult to troubleshoot and repair?"

I could go on and on ....
Chuck

I will (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611994)

I should be getting a tv decoder card tomorrow. If so the vid should be up by monday moring gmt (have to wait till I get into work to upload it) Will post later with further details per location.

Re:Windows already has multiple personalities... (1)

Hard_Code (49548) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611995)

Wow. So now Windows can come in multiple colors too! Blueberry, Cherry, Orange, Grape...

Microsoft's innovation (1)

Pollux (102520) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611996)

Hasn't anyone ever been looking upon what Microsoft has been doing ever since it started as a company?

Juln hit it on the dot: they don't create new and wonderful things! They steal ideas!

As Juln said, DOS was bought for a steal. It was never created by Microsoft.

The interent? Back four years ago, Microsoft NEVER REGUARDED the internet as a growing innovation! In fact, they were focusing on the technology of CD-ROM drives! It wasn't until three years ago that they reguarded the internet as a valuable commodity in the growing computer world! What did they do then? They put out a browser and drilled it into their operating system so that everyone in the world who used Windows used the Windows browser (doesn't sound like innovation to me...rather, shrewd business practices)!

Even Windows itself was just a program stolen from Apple (which in fact, stole it from Xerox, but that's beside the point)! The point is, Microsoft doesn't create, it seeks, finds, and conquers.

Oh, and one other thing...

"What we do is create tools like a word processor that lets people express their ideas and we're not at all involved in how they choose to use it."

That'll go right next to my "640K of memory aught to be enough for everybody." quote!

Re:Pointless (1)

deefer (82630) | more than 14 years ago | (#1611997)

It's phonetics. Slur a well known Redmond company's name and you get....
Micro$lop!!!
Descriptive IMHO, as well...
And I thought all you 37337 /. h4X0r dudes had a penchant for transliteration and wordplay...
Read ESR's definition on hackers, it's lurking somewhere at Tuxedo [tuxedo.org]

BASIC. BASIC. BASIC... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611998)

GAWD. You'd think one of the script kiddies who visits /. would remember that that was what started Microsoft.

Re:Why should we hate Bill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1611999)

(...) hes a coder just like most of us geeks (...)

Is he really a coder ? What program has he wrote ? (wrote, not buy; and he, not other microsoft workers)

(my first post on slashdot)

Yes I remember (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612000)

I was there and still have the Altair - it was an aweful machine, and MITS had lots of problems keeping up with demand. Two things: 4K BASIC for the altair cost $150! That's almost 4 cents a byte! No wonder all us hardware hackers just pirated copies so we could play 'startrek'. Also, when MITS was tanking, Pertec bought them out under the mistaken impression that they were also buying the MITS Basic software - wrongo! It's been a career of backstab, slash & burn ever since.
Boy, it must be nice to have lawers and bankers in the immediate family - you could screw up anybody you want. Both MITS and pertec made the mistake of trusting the boy genie-ass enfant-terrible.

Chuck

Re:Why should we hate Bill? (1)

Panaflex (13191) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612002)

First off, your generalizing. I don't believe many people actually and TRULY hate.. to the point where they'd track him down and destroy his existance.

Now, I am not envious of him. Concerning *general* business, I am quite happy that the computer industry has blossomed. However, I think that Microsoft has been especially cruel.

It's a fairly well known fact that ms paid off editors, columnist, and users to write starbright columns and letters during the OS/2 - Windows wars. Infact, I have read some columns (deep in the back of computerworld and pc-week) that hint extremly strongly at this. Some people have even publically regretted this.

Secondly, his company is trying to do everything!! They want to write ALL software.. if they could. Actually, they want to write all the software that makes the most money. And they've done a damn good job. They'll leave the scraps on the floor.. literally.

As from an open source position... well, he don't have no source. MS s/w is generally bad (exception being Office). MS intentionally tries to subvert every standards process.. (recent PATENTING of the W3C CSS is an example. This was an open committee.) and 2/3 of every standard they produce is hodge-podge. (Samba, Direct3D.. exception is dhcp).

Ohh yeah..
"Remember his work with the Altair? Man! that's more grassroots than LINUX every was!" I doubt the Altair had over 10,000 users at any one time. No, my friend, linux is bigger than all of us! l8r

I just reallized... (1)

talshadar (82921) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612019)

According to this:
"Operating the computer by speaking to it is also likely in the near future, and the computer will answer back. "One of the things you will be able to select is the personality," Gates tells his interviewer"

This explains Marvin... they installed a MS personality.. but they must have combined with Linux cause otherwise Marvin wouldn't have been ab le to move more thatn 2 feet without rebooting himself.


Microsoft Bob? (1)

IHateEverybody (75727) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612020)

This was first thing I thought of when the idea of choosing your computer's personality came up. I'll bet that when these personalities come out, they'll be so lame that no one will use them.

Re:Gates? Innovation? um... (2)

Chalst (57653) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612021)

Juln writes:
Lets see... he bought DOS from someone else, had the
personal computer market handed to him on a platter through his mother
sitting on a bank board with the then-chairman of IBM, and has since
then been one of the biggest thieves of intellectual property in the
industry.


Well, Gates didn't lie: these moves *did* revolutionise the industry...

Re:Time for a history lesson (1)

Schnedt (99690) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612022)

Well, not realy "'Kay"...

Some people are creators, some people are integrators. Some people are really good at createing integrated wholes.

Most of the people who sit around whining about all the stuff "stolen" by Microsoft have not done a creative thing in their life that comes close.

Mr. Gates does not take credit for 'everything except the transistor' and if you can't see beyond your petty attitude to recognize that it's probably a lost cause trying to convince you of anything.

The people who try to make Bill Gates into the devil are just as pathetic as those who try to make him into God. It's the flip side of the same coin. I mean, really, people. Seek profesional help.

Re:Just a few quotes of evading the questions (2)

Tim Macinta (1052) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612023)

Gates claims that his business is "not like owning a newspaper". He adds: "Someone who owns a newspaper can pick up the phone to the editor and say 'run headlines I like'.

OK, and what is MSNBC again? I'm not saying he manipulates headlines, but to claim it's not like a newspaper... is like claiming Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.

Re:"We're not at all involved..." (1)

radja (58949) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612024)

since I'm often forced to work under windows I found that it helped that I installed gvim as my standard editor...

Re:Ground-breaking innovation? (1)

grizzley (102942) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612025)

I don't want to be seen as a Bill Gates fan, or a supporter of Microsoft (I use their products because I must), but they have been pretty innovative. In the 70s Micorsoft developed what was arguably the first piece of commercial software for a home computer- "Basic" for the MITS Altair 80. That must be regarded as innovative. It's just a shame that things have gone down-hill a bit from there.

Re:Pointless - just like Bill! (1)

Schnedt (99690) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612027)

That's not going to happen. If you've read anything about his personal life, you'd know that his parents raised him with a sense of ethics.

People with ethics are boring for sleazemongers.

Did you know that there are decent honest people in Hollywood involved in the entertainment industry? They're the ones not in the tabloids. You have to look to find them, and even then you have to duck a bunch of nihilists who will try to drag them down if they can discover you admire them. Because "there is no good or bad, morality is relative" etc. etc.

Will this be on BBCAmerica? (1)

RobertW103 (54252) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612029)

I really didn't see any tough questions in the article. Maybe if they had Mike Wallace show up unexpectedly with a camera crew, we would get some answers. You know, some good old fashioned journalism questions like, "When did you stop buying companies and squashing them?" Honestly, I have no problems with Bill G the man, but his business practices leave much to be desired. I do see Microsoft as being replaced in the future, I doubt that Linux will do it alone however. We may see a division along the lines of a Mac-like OS on the desktop, with Linux running the backroom operations. Secondly, the general purpose computer may also go away entirely, replaced by small devices that communicate with each other but do one or two things really well. Example, my TV does an excellent job of being a TV, its a lousy web display. In that light I think Bill is right, MS is not long for this world.

Re:Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612031)

I've never heard of a company called Micro$lop.

Are they the ones responsible for that new Linux distribution? The one that's slightly less of a hack job?

Pointless (2)

Hermetic (85784) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612039)

This reads like a MS press release. I know Paxman is usually a fairly hard-hitting, real question-asking reporter, not some panty-waist wimp. Why is it that there is no useful information in the article?
The article makes it sound almost scripted.

Re:Some observations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612040)

Ha Ha, that's a funny one right there.

Tell me more about this persecution complex you've been having. . .

Bill Gates and Innovations? (1)

prakash (97332) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612041)

I wonder what innovations will talk about because he hasn't done any. And ofcouse one can expect him to do the usual Linux/Open Source bashing.

Come to www.freeos.com - Your best source for Free Operating Systems

Ground-breaking innovation? (2)

Gryphon (28880) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612042)

> He acknowledges that someone may be working on
> the type of ground-breaking innovation he came
> up with in the 1970s to revolutionise the
> industry.

Ground-breaking innovation? Isn't this the guy who *bought* the initial version of Disk Operating System from some guy in Seattle, fancied it up, and sold it to IBM for their PC?

Maybe "innovation" in business practices (ahem) but certainly not in computer technology!

Gates? Innovation? um... (5)

Juln (41313) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612043)

He acknowledges that someone may be working opn the type of ground-breaking innovation he came up with in the late 70's to revolutionize the industry

Does anyone know what that was? I dont seem to recall anything of the sort happening. Lets see... he bought DOS from someone else, had the personal computer market handed to him on a platter through his mother sitting on a bank board with the then-chairman of IBM, and has since then been one of the biggest thieves of intellectual property in the industry.

"The thing we're involved with has democratised communications and anyone can publish on the internet."

Ah, yes. MS taking credit for the internet.

Operating the computer by speaking to it is also likely in the near future, and the computer will answer back. "One of the things you will be able to select is the personality," Gates tells his interviewer

I would love to see them try this, but would hate to try to use it! Anyone else seen the chillingly horrible talking parrot for outlook? And you thought the winking paper clip was abominable.

Just had to respond to some of that.

pleeeeeeeeeease (0)

PHroD (1018) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612044)

please PLEASE, someone record (and convert to realvideo or whatever you chose) the Gates interview...we dont get it here in the States, and i would LOVE to see Gates get slammed on TV ^_^


"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix

Bill is afraid at this moment...... (1)

Cplus (79286) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612045)

Never in all of its, I hate to say, fabulous history has Microsoft ever been at risk. It is now from many angles. Linux is slowly eating up the server market, waiting for the right moment to move to the desktop for the average user. The DOJ is thinking about busting up the biggest corporation in history. Bill is quivering and I like it, can't wait for the interview.

What about our questions? (2)

nevets (39138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612046)

Are they going to give credit to those who asked the questions? I only have 12 channels, and I don't think that I get BBC, is there a way to get a transcript?


My favorite part:

Internet Links
Microsoft

The BBC is not responsible for
the content of external internet
sites.


I wouldn't want to be responsible for that either. :-)


Steven Rostedt

True Confessions from The Richest Man (1)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612047)

It seems he confessed that Microsoft will be destroyed eventually. What he's not telling us is that he's bringing down every company around him with him. This could have drastic consequences (i.e. will we one day wake up and find no software companies?)

A ruling by the DOJ might change that though...

No one has mentioned this comment! (2)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612048)

He acknowledges that someone may be working on the type of ground-breaking innovation he came up with in the 1970s to revolutionise the industry.

WHAT IS IT? I've been asking this for years, and I keep hearing about his wonderful innovations, and have yet to hear ONE!!!!!

Re:Microsoft (1)

freakho (28342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612049)

Hey! You may have just revealed the source of all the BSODs!

Freakho

Through the roof! (1)

Stephen Williams (23750) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612050)

What you want are WonkaScrollBars they go upways and downways and frontways and backways and sideways and slantways.

And if you click the widget labelled "up and out", they'll make the window contents burst through the top of your monitor :-)

-Stephen

Re:I just reallized... (1)

jim (3666) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612051)

Ha! Can you imagine Linux with a personality? You'll be free to hack it and cure its hangups as much as you like ... amateur psychoanalysts will have a field day ... in fact it will be M-X doctor IN REVERSE!

Re:BASIC. BASIC. BASIC... (1)

Doug Loss (3517) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612052)

You think he invented BASIC? Kemeney and Kurtz (the true authors)would have a difference of opinion. Bill's implementation of BASIC earned their scorn.

Doug Loss

Re:Ground-breaking innovation? (2)

Schnedt (99690) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612053)

Actually, Microsoft Basic was developed on a University computer (a PDP-10 I believe..) where it was strictly forbidden to be doing programming for commercial use. By Gates and Allen, long before DOS.

And Apple Computer was initially funded by blueboxing. Steve and Steve basically stole from the phone company (selling long distance services they had stolen to students, etc.) to fund the early development of Apple Computer.

So Gates and Allen stole CPU time to develop Microsoft Basic. Jobs and Wozniack stole from the phone company to raise the money to develop the Apple computer.

People steal company time all over the planet to develop Linux. Lots and lots of company time. And company bandwidth.

We're all a bunch of dirty thieves, I guess.

Bill lives on the bleeding edge of technology! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612054)

He says the next big technological leap will be to use the television and telephone to access the internet! Hey Bill, call it "WebTV"! You'll make billions!

Re:Why should we hate Bill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612056)

I don't understand something. Why does a very intelligent and well thought out post like Cliffski's get a 0 score and rated as Troll?? Now you want to talk about constructive criticism gone bad?? AC

in the FUTURE?? maybe for m$ (1)

invenustus (56481) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612057)

My friend can do all basic window operations on his macintosh by speaking into the microphone. But I'm sure when M$ pulls it off, it will be a "revolution."

Re:Re:Time for a history lesson (1)

freakho (28342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612059)

I beleive the portion of my comment which is relevant to yours is
"which is worthy of repect, surely, but..."
As for the "transistor" thing, which others may have also misunderstood, it was merely exaggeration for the sake of humor. I use humor to deflect flame.

*ptwiiing!*

Freakho

Re:Bill is afraid at this moment...... (1)

Schnedt (99690) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612061)

You think that Linux is waiting in the wings for it's cue, and then will leap out into the forefront and instantly become the desktop operating system of choice?!?

ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Surely you can't be serious. When you're making a funny, please be more clear.

Just a few quotes of evading the questions (4)

dattaway (3088) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612069)

He adds: "Someone who owns a newspaper can pick up the phone to the editor and say 'run headlines I like'.

He owns the newspapers and buys editorials if he buys full page ads.

He owns grass roots campains and "independent" funded studies if he pays for them.

What we do is create tools like a word processor that lets people express their ideas and we're not at all involved in how they choose to use it.

And define the lock-in protocol of the word processors that are loosely defined and full of undocumented features? No, his company would NEVER go that low, would it?

Innovation = pay software (2)

Vulpine (21393) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612070)

My understanding has always been that Gates' first and foremost innovation was that he was the first, or perhaps one of the first, to charge for software. Before Gates, the idea of free software wasn't all that extraordinary.

Re:Paxman's reactions (1)

tak amalak (55584) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612071)

Why am I slightly concerned by the idea of Microsoft making semi intelligent computers in the future with personalities?

Heh, the key word here is semi intelligent.
--

So, did Paxman ask any of those nasty questions? (1)

handorf (29768) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612072)

Everyone was painting Paxman as some kind of bulldog of a journalist. Anyone know if he asked any "tough" questions?

The closest I saw was the comment about never having heard any Bill Gates jokes.


"Bill gates walks into a bar..."

Gates Personality (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612073)

It would be sad if the default personality were "Bill Gates III". It would try to steal your ideas and send them back to Microsoft without your knowledge. People would be throwing their computers off buildings and smashing them with sledgehammers before giving the "innovation" a chance.

Remember, his ground breaking innovation was from the 70's, so DOS doesn't even count (regardless of how you look at it). It must be BASIC he was referring to. Yes, truly "ground breaking innovation" to port a language.

Genuine People Personalities? (1)

jim (3666) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612074)

Honestly, Microsoft gets more like the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation every day ...

You bet. (2)

Rabbins (70965) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612075)

Bill is afraid at this moment......

... yeah, maybe that his company might only grow at a rate of 35% a year, as oposed to 48%.

Why should we hate Bill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612076)

First, I am a big fan of linux and I use it wherever possible (I can't in my college's labs which are mostly windows), I am NOT a Microsoft groupie.

Having that out of the way, I would like to say that this community is being very uncivil toward Bill Gates. From what he has said in past interviews, and through his actions in the past, I think that he is just like us. Remember his work with the Altair? Man! that's more grassroots than LINUX every was!

Why are we so harsh on Bill then? I think it has to do with the fact that we are jealous. He has made billions from something that he didn't really have much of a part in creating (namely DOS/ Windows). However, the actions of his company are not solely based on his wims, and MS is like any other business in the world. To use one of Robert Young's analogies, no one is whining about the near monopoly of heinz in ketchup and steak sauce.

Think about, if we cut Bill Gates some slack in our discussion, we may see that he really is a "neat" person. Just think about how damaging it must be to his self esteem to have people in the same industry that he has a passion for hating him!

-Bob the fury eyed penguin

"We're not at all involved..." (3)

Zigg (64962) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612077)

What bothered me most about outtakes from that interview appearing in the article was the following quote from Mr. Gates:

"What we do is create tools like a word processor that lets people express their ideas and we're not at all involved in how they choose to use it.

"The thing we're involved with has democratised communications and anyone can publish on the internet. You don't have to own a TV channel or a newspaper."

This is bunk. Any software, and especially Microsoft's, has a keen influence on "how" it is used. I would go so far to say that even posts on /. carry a certain weight from the /. software, though not as much baggage as something like Word. The capabilities and the automation of software influence greatly what you can say just as the language you write in. The earlier comment about MHz vs. Mhz is a small example; I would submit that Word's set of templates, rules about documents, and "autocorrection" lends its influence to the output greatly.

I am at least glad to hear he said "The thing we're involved with has democratised..." instead of "We have democratised...". Although the Internet probably would have had a slightly different face without the influence of Microsoft and Internet Explorer, it would certainly still be democratized! I hate to sound crochety, but I feel it was much better before Windows had TCP/IP capability :-)

Perspective from "The Enemy" (5)

Effugas (2378) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612078)

Gates claims that his business is "not like owning a newspaper".

He adds: "Someone who owns a newspaper can pick up the phone to the editor and say 'run headlines I like'.

"What we do is create tools like a word processor that lets people express their ideas and we're not at all involved in how they choose to use it.


He's right, to some degree.

Outside of the computer press(this includes computer sections of mainstream press), MS exerts almost zero influence.

With the exception of a few rather ridiculous and amateurish attempts at influencing public opinion through falsified Letters To The Editor(as well as the recent exposing of a sponsored advertisement so a good number of economists could publically agree with Microsoft's position in court), MS doesn't haven't nearly the kind of overarching mindshare gravitational suction that seems to permeate most other extremely large corporations.

It's a dichotomy worth studying--outside of self-defense or self-aggrandization within the rather limited context of computer technologies, Microsoft(unlike Sun, apparently) is actually surprisingly freedom minded. They do bundle MP3 encoding and decoding code, they're slapping Priceline down where they belong, and in general seem to have a general slant towards getting as much functionality as possible to the user.

That they use totalitarian and underhanded tactics in their quest to spread computating freedom is...interesting. They want people to be free, but damnit, they're going to be the one's to do it, whatever the cost.

Honestly, I think that's how they keep the company together. "Where do you want to go today...because we're going to be the one's to take you there; we're not letting you out." The coders take pride in the freedom, the suits take pride in the fact that they're preventing the Evil Outsiders from perverting the mission.

In that context, Gates' comments make perfect sense. He feels Murdoch works to pollute and shape the minds of his readers. Should the Murdoch's of the world release the software, he thinks, he'll use it to shape people's minds.

I'm kinda curious--when was the last time a major media outlet criticized(or at least reported negatively) about a parent company? MSNBC has delivered significant praise to Linux, and I believe has at least truthfully reported on the DoJ lawsuit. I wonder how often this could be said about the media world.

There's an interesting psychology at Microsoft; it deserves further research.

Yours Truly,

Dan Kaminsky
DoxPara Research
http://www.doxpara.com

Re:Ground-breaking innovation? (1)

freakho (28342) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612089)

Actually, he bought a "quick-and-dirty" version of a DOS (not DoS) that has been argued to be a simple decompilation of another commercial product of the time, with a few cosmetic changes made. If this is true, it would mean his whole empire *started* on unethical foundations from the start. Which is why nobody has the balls to talk about this. :)

Freakho

15 minutes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1612090)

Dogs head i believe, but Win98 in fifteen minutes? Maybe if he put it in special gates mode

Babelfish it!! (2)

NullGrey (46215) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612091)

Here's a quote from Bill Gates that was run through Babelfish [altavista.com] many times. The Madonna article [slashdot.org] has inspired me.

"What we I give is created tools like to word processor that lets people express their ideas and we' king not at all involved in how they choose to use it."


+--
stack. the off .sig this pop I as Watch

what? (1)

Jimhotep (29230) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612092)

from the article:
"The next stage technologically is
accessing the Internet through the
television and the telephone, says Mr Gates."

did anybody at MS tell him he bought
WebTV?

Unfair to Microsoft (1)

cabalamat (75345) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612093)

I keep hearing about his wonderful innovations, and have yet to hear ONE

That's not fair. Microsoft has had lots of innovations, for example:

  • Microsoft Bob
  • The Blue Screen Of Death - what other operating system has the BSOD?
  • The animated paperclip

MS has also been very innovative in taking the usage of FUD to new heights, for example their recent ``Linux Myths'' page.

Re:Lets all do the Gates Shake! (1)

JM_the_Great (70802) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612094)

Whether we like him or not, you have to admit that he is nerd (maybe not as much as Pirates of Silicon Valley portrayed him, but, well, that's Hollywood for you...). As a member of the `nerds' (or geeks or whatever) club, he is probably very introverted and not much on the social stuff (let's face it, he would be a lousy husband/fathers/employer if he didn't have a good $90 bil. to give around). This is probably why he was shaking.

That's my $(2^4*3+1/7%3*2/100)

Microsoft (1)

drwiii (434) | more than 14 years ago | (#1612095)

But a 'thinking' computer is still a long way off.

I don't see it happening with anything short of a programming miracle. Computers operate solely on logic. It'd take a hell of a lot of work to get anything resembling a real "personality" running on a box that only processes 1s and 0s.

Besides, if most of the computers running Microsoft software could really think on their own, they'd probably commit suicide.

--

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