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Wii Outselling PS3 in Japan

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the white-plastic-over-black-plastic dept.

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saintory writes "Apparently the Japanese console consumers are sinking their teeth into the modest Wii and are not as interested in the power-packed PS3. In fact, the Wii is outselling Sony's new console by a factor of almost 2:1. The number of PS3s sold into the Japanese market (466,716) falls well short of the million Sony had planned for the end of 2006. 989,118 Wii consoles have been sold in Japan in the same time span. From the article: 'Both Sony and Nintendo are projecting selling 6 million consoles by the end of March. Sony expects to start shipping the PS3 to Europe sometime that month as well. Straggling far behind Sony and Nintendo in the Enterbrain survey was Microsoft's Xbox 360, which had sold 290,467 since its Japan debut in December 2005. Selling machines in large numbers is crucial in the gaming business because it encourages software companies to make more games to play on the machines, which in turn boosts console sales.'"

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In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17545466)

Sun rises in east, sets in West.

Re:In Other News... (2, Informative)

Draconix (653959) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545516)

Wrong! The sun doesn't rise or set, it just appears to because of the rotation of the Earth.

Re:In Other News... (1)

Poltras (680608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545910)

In other news, earth rotate from east to west. Oh wait...

Re:In Other News... (3, Funny)

Bloomy (714535) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545898)

But when the red moon sets and the sun rises in the west, two monsters will appear to save the people.

This is news because... (3, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545480)

Fun games + lower price point = happy consumers

Re:This is news because... (2, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546450)

Larger inventory + more demand than inventory = sold out, but more units sold

Smaller inventory + more demand than inventory = sold out, but fewer units sold

Fun games + lower price point = Happy customers that are irrelevant to any kind of sales metrics at the moment.

Meaning no disrespect to Sony or Nintendo, or video game journalists in general, but it's kind of moronic to compare sales of the two when both of these companies are selling as many as they can make.

If there is more demand for the Wii, no one can say how much. Would they sell 10 times as many if that many units were available? If there was actually more demand for the PS3, nobody could prove it. Does the fact that the Xbox sold 8 million units mean it has happier customers, more fun games, or a lower price point? Maybe it just has have high availability and a year head start.

Wake me up when Sony and Nintendo have enough inventory to satisfy demand for any walk-in customer. If that was true now, this story would actually be interesting.

BTW, if you have inventory statistics, thank you very much for posting them. They would be quite useful. If you don't, please don't bother telling me all about that WalMart near your house that has 5 units on the shelf. It says nothing about inventories in general. It is irrelevant.

TW

Re:This is news because... (0, Troll)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546536)

I yet to hear a single report of a PS3 owner breaking their TV or window because they were excitedly having fun while playing. :P

Re:This is news because... (5, Insightful)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546544)

Um, the fact that the PS3 is no longer selling out (at least here in the States) should be a telling factor.

And maybe I should tell you about the two WalMarts, Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop, and EB Games, all of which have PS3 stock. (Not to mention nearby (but inconvenient) Toys R Us stores).

Sony does have enough supply to fulfill demand now. Demand is just really low.

Re:This is news because... (1, Troll)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547100)

Thank you for posting anecdotal evidence from the area where you live. I was so very afraid I would be forced to read this important information from an authoritative source that has recent data from either Sony or the retail industry. Knowing that you're on top of this situation will help me feel confidant that the matter is conclusive and accurate. I will be sure to cite your post in further discussions on this topic.

Thank you,

TW

Re:This is news because... (1)

XenoRyet (824514) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546564)

That's exactly what I was thinking. This story is meaningless without stating how many units have shipped.

A more meaningful statistic would be what percentage of systems shipped had been sold for each console. However, I'm with you in guessing that it's probably 100%, or very near it, for both.

Re:This is news because... (5, Informative)

wiggles (30088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547454)

newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensive (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17545484)

wow it costs half as much and sells twice as many. so what?

you won't see this article headline in two years when the Wii is tired and the PS3 is wired.

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545602)

wow it costs half as much and sells twice as many. so what?

you won't see this article headline in two years when the Wii is tired and the PS3 is wired.


That's not how this works though ...

Developers and Consumers tend towards the most popular system because it has the largest userbase and the most development for it. In many ways both the Playstation and PS2 were eclipsed by more powerful systems and remained the market leaders because the large userbase attracted third party devlopers who developed games which attracted a large userbase. If the Wii sells (consistently) at 2 or 4 times the rate of the PS3 for a year (or more) the sales of the PS3 will drop off and the sales of the Wii will accelerate.

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545904)

Yeah, Sony did not dominate with the PS or the PS2 because their system was so incredibly powerful compared to the competition. Infact, the PS2 has significantly less hardware than the Xbox or gamecube. They won by having tons of games, plenty of good exclusives, and the whole DVD player thing helped some too. (To a degree that Blu-ray won't. Seriously. Most people out there are perfectly happy with DVD's for now. VHS sucked, DVD doesn't.)

I'm not really sure where Sony got the idea that their future depends on them cramming all the technology they can find into a plastic cases. I mean, they used to hype the PS2 and the "emotion engine" as being some sort of computing miracle, but I didn't think they actually believed it.

While there are, no doubt, game developers out there that enjoy having lots of hardware out there, most of them also enjoy having lots of money, so their efforts are generally going to go where the market is.

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (2, Insightful)

xero314 (722674) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546698)

the PS2 has significantly less hardware than the Xbox or gamecube.
Why do people keep repeating this fallacy? This has been argued and shown time and time again that at worst the PS2 was slightly less powerful than it's competitors (Based on practical graphics capability) or considerably more powerful (based on specialized scientific algorithms).

More to the point, you can't judge Sony's success with the PS2 based on a simple list of effects. There were many reasons the PS2 was as successful as it was, including their excellent marketing to the general public. To say it was the games or the built in DVD player or anyone one of those things misses the point that it was an entire package plus the market recognition they built in the previous generation, which they still have to this day. Heck you can't even down play the brand name. "PlayStation" just sounds like a game system, unlike "XBox" or "Wii" which could really be anything. I'm not trying to support sony or anything, as I think the Wii is looking like it has lots of potential, just saying that there were hundreds or more factors in Sony's previous success.

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547378)

You sound like a shill. The PS2 was the worst hardware of the three to work with. You have to find tricks and clever work-arounds just to get a decent amount of textures going. I mean 4MB texture space = WTF. Even the DreamCast had 8MB and hardware texture compression. Next let's talk about bump mapping. XB had Halo from the start, fully bump mapped and pretty. Where's the PS2 bump mapped game running at 60fps? Then we got Chronicles Of Riddick and DOOM3, with much better bump technology and oh yeah, again no PS2 counterpart running at decent framerates. Tony Hawk 3 which was on all systems had minor slowdown on the GameCube, ran great on the XB, but had terrible textures and lots of slowdown on the PS2. Spiderman was the same way. Spiderman 2 as well. The list goes on and on.

Developers follow the user base... creates spiral. (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545948)

Developers and Consumers tend towards the most popular system because it has the largest userbase and the most development for it. In many ways both the Playstation and PS2 were eclipsed by more powerful systems and remained the market leaders because the large userbase attracted third party devlopers who developed games which attracted a large userbase. If the Wii sells (consistently) at 2 or 4 times the rate of the PS3 for a year (or more) the sales of the PS3 will drop off and the sales of the Wii will accelerate.

Also factor in the Wii games are cheaper to develop than PS3, and 360 games.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (2, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546686)

Also factor in the Wii games are cheaper to develop than PS3, and 360 games.

PS3 can run GNU/Linux and all the Free games developed for GNU/Linux by devoted amateurs. Wii requires each developer to be a company with office space detached from the home.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546798)

PS3 can run GNU/Linux and all the Free games developed for GNU/Linux by devoted amateurs. Wii requires each developer to be a company with office space detached from the home.

So ... In other words, the PS3 will have Tux Racer and glTron?

Not to be blunt, but it might be interesting to see Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony encourage SNES/N64 level development from indie and amature developers but beyond the 'interest' factor amature game developers do not bring that much to the table.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547242)

PS3 can run GNU/Linux and all the Free games developed for GNU/Linux by devoted amateurs

Wow so it can run Tux Racer and.. uh.. what, 10,821 Solitaire and Mahjongg variants?

Even if you do manage to get anything with moderately decent 3D graphics running, you're likely to be unable to access the GPU to make it fast enough to be worthwhile playing. And even if you do somehow manage to get past all that, there just aren't a lot of Free Software games worth playing.

The scenario you describe is of interest to maybe 1% of gamers.

Re: Wii also has free games. (2, Informative)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547244)

PS3 can run GNU/Linux and all the Free games developed for GNU/Linux by devoted amateurs. Wii requires each developer to be a company with office space detached from the home.

Ok, so you can buy a $600 PS3 that runs linux at the level of an 800 Mhz Pentium 3 [smorgasbord.net] ? Ok, I wouldn't do it but some people might.

Are you familiar with the Free flash games for the Wii [wiicade.com] ?

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547412)

The 360 has XNA Game Club, the Wii will have outsider Virtual Console access soon. PS3's install linux and figure out how to get stuff on there will be eclipsed by the incredibly easy MS/Nintendo solutions.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

clontzman (325677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546802)

I'm not convinced this is actually going to be true. Yes, you need higher-resolution art assets for the PS3 and 360, but I imagine that most developers use them anyway for potential PC ports. On the Wii side, you've got to develop and playtest for a very different controller mechanism, which has got to take some significant time and resources.

Good games are going to be expensive to make, no matter what. I'd be curious to know what Zelda cost to develop versus, say, Oblivion.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547264)

Actually, its probably far worse than you imagine ...

( I'm using approximate numbers because I haven't worked on a PS3 or XBox 360 game )

To create a 3D asset for a XBox 360 game you will likely produce an initial 3D model at 4 times the resolution of an XBox game, you will produce a model that is 4 times the resolution of this model in order to produce normal maps, you will produce as many coloured textures as you did for the XBox game but each will be about 4 times the resolution, you will have another texture map which handles 'material' data (for lighting), and possibly other textures for shaders to increase the realism.

Now the far more detailed assets would add a lot of expense to developing a game but it gets worse from here. One of the biggest problems is that you have to add more assets as the detail of the assets increases to maintain 'realism'; to make an office look realistic (as an example) you need to have more than a desk, chair, file cabinet, and garbage can (and you can re-use these assets far less because people will notice the repetition).

Wii games are cheaper to develop. (4, Interesting)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547356)

I'm not convinced this is actually going to be true. Yes, you need higher-resolution art assets for the PS3 and 360, but I imagine that most developers use them anyway for potential PC ports. On the Wii side, you've got to develop and playtest for a very different controller mechanism, which has got to take some significant time and resources.

Good games are going to be expensive to make, no matter what. I'd be curious to know what Zelda cost to develop versus, say, Oblivion.

I would be interested in the Zelda vs Oblivion costs, but when THQ states "it was far less expensive making games for Nintendo's console." [gamespot.com] and that "they could be as little as a third of the high-end next-gen titles... Maybe the range is a quarter to a half." I believe them.

Re:Developers follow the user base... creates spir (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547218)

This whole story reminds me of this video...
PS3 vs Wii [youtube.com]

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545702)

You are forgetting one important thing:

Sony LOSES money on each PS3 sold, whereas nintendo GAINES money on each Wii sold.

Yes, I know there are games and all that, but still...if it takes selling 2.5 Wii's to match the price of one PS3, and EACH Wii is making a profit while that one PS3 loses money...which one do you think provides a better profit margin?

Net income means jack shit. I don't care if you bring in 2 billion a year if your costs are 4 billion. If my costs are 50,000, and I bring in 75,000, guess what: I have a higher profit margin, which means I have MADE more money than you.

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (2, Informative)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545802)

Net income means jack shit. I don't care if you bring in 2 billion a year if your costs are 4 billion. If my costs are 50,000, and I bring in 75,000, guess what: I have a higher profit margin, which means I have MADE more money than you.

Definitions of net income on the Web:

        * Gross income less expenses, including taxes and insurance, but before depreciation, additions to reserves or distribution of earnings.
            www.ncbuy.com/credit/glossary.html

        * Income (profit) shown after all operating and non-operating income and expense, reserves, income taxes, minority interest and extraordinary items but before preferred and ordinary dividends.
            www.misys.com/investors/shareservices/glossary/ind ex.asp

        * Sum remaining after all expenses have been met or deducted: net profit or net loss, or simply "profit."
            www.mastercardbusiness.com/mcbizdocs/smallbiz/fing uide/glossary.html

Get the picture? Profit is net income. You meant "gross income means jack shit".

This troll brought to you by the letter A and the number 4.

-stormin

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545908)

trollboy here (sorry, couldn't resist;-)) hit the nail on the head.

In the (loosely quoted) words of Lewis Black)

"...cause I took ECONOMICS. And I would explain to you what I'm talking about....but I flunked that course."

Re:newsflash cheaper things sell more than expensi (4, Informative)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545834)

"Net income means jack shit. I don't care if you bring in 2 billion a year if your costs are 4 billion. If my costs are 50,000, and I bring in 75,000, guess what: I have a higher profit margin, which means I have MADE more money than you."

In this case the net income of company A is -$2billion while the net income of company B is $25,000. Net income is very important. In fact, net income is probably more important than profit margin in this case. I think you need to s/Net/Gross/ for your statement to make sense.

Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17545496)

Duh

PS3 in Europe (4, Funny)

sottitron (923868) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545504)

Seems to me that they should just start shipping the consoles that aren't selling in the US and Japan to Europe.

Re:PS3 in Europe (3, Insightful)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545914)

This wont help either, the average european household has way less money to spend than the average US one.
Now add to that that the month of march is a total dead one saleswise, no big holidays, christmas money is spent, and vacation money far off.
This console will sink in europe heavier than a stone, although Europe-EU is the biggest
market worldwide games salewise.

Not being able to ship during christmas in europe although the console is the most expensive one overy here might be the final death knell into the PS3 introduction.
Typical Sony arrogance, ignoring the biggest market saleswise currently (you have to count the EU as a whole and add the non EU countries), at the biggest and pretty much only chance to get it into the households before Christmas 2007, just in hope people will buy it anyway. Face it Sony
you already have a lousy reputation over here, and also
have in mind we have to pay around 900 Dollars for the console, at less average income and less free money to spend.

Re:PS3 in Europe (5, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546666)

This wont help either, the average european household has way less money to spend than the average US one.

Plus the simple European folk tend to use turnips as their currency, and I think the yen-turnip exchange rate is particularly unfavorable this year.

Re:PS3 in Europe (5, Funny)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546918)

Plus the simple European folk tend to use turnips as their currency
Oh come on. We all know only the Swedes do that.

Re:PS3 in Europe (5, Funny)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547392)

yen-turnip exchange rate is particularly unfavorable this year.


Actually the exchange rate should favour sales to the turnip union. In principle a US$900 console should only cost 695 Turnips currently.

Re:PS3 in Europe (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547038)

so they can not sell in Europe?

Re:PS3 in Europe (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547238)

The only window to sell this for 900 dollars which is the targeted price over here will be November, December, the other time it will rot in the shelves like a stone. There will be initial sales but after the first month and the hardcore boys (ebay scalpers will be shunned away by the US And asian experience) it will rot like a brick in the stores. Sales might pick up in november 2007 and december 2007, but as long as the thing wont be around the current Wii prices it wont be a success. The Xbox over here is pretty much the maximum people are willing to spend, and yet you can see Xbox360 boxes everywhere while the Wii seems to be sold out all over the place!

From the Sony PR Department: (5, Funny)

Zeek40 (1017978) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545522)

The Wii is only outselling the PS3 in Japan because the small stature of the average Japanese gamer makes it extremely dangerous for them to attempt to wield the phenomenal gaming power contained within the PS3.

Re:From the Sony PR Department: (4, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545610)

Hey, Microsoft called. They want their Xbox joke back.

Re:From the Sony PR Department: (5, Funny)

Zeek40 (1017978) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546012)

Hey, the 80's called, they want their "Hey, the called" jokes back. ;)

are we surprised? (5, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545526)

No, of course not. why?

Because Sony has not made as many PS3s as Nintendo has made Wiis. Rather simple isn't it?
Are we surprised that the 360 is tanking? nope, because it doesn't apeal to the japanese market (and it does not have the fanbase that Nintendo and Sony have).

The real question is how will the number end up once sony gets production going at a decent speed?

Other peopel have pointed out (and after research I now have to agree) that the PS3 isn't selling in the USA (if any one wants ot buy a PS3, Circuit City [circuitcity.com] has 60gig versions in stock). Yet is is still a chalange (though not impossible) to buy a Wii despite much higher production levels.

Re:are we surprised? (1)

sottitron (923868) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545626)

The real question is how will the number end up once sony gets production going at a decent speed?

Even after sony gets production going, you'll still be able to buy a Wii + 4 or 5 games for the same price as a PS3 with no games. Which one would you buy if both were in stock and you had a $525 gift card (assuming sales tax is 5%).

Re:are we surprised? (1)

EvilGoodGuy (811015) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545718)

Take into account that the Wii has more than one game and you have a rather easy choice.

Re:are we surprised? (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545770)

Me? I would buy a Wii.

But I am not everyone (nor are you). Pleanty of people DO want the bleading edge of graphics and what not, and thus want a PS3 isntead of a Wii.

As I said, we are starting to see the PS3 fail in the USA (my prediction is that they need to get a few REALLY good games out for it soon or they are in trouble). However, I am not as sure about making these predicitons for the japanese market.

I am willing to say that the PS3 will probably dominate over the 360 in Japan(despite my thoguhts that the 360 is a much better system atm due to MANY more good games out for it). However I am thinking that the Wii has a good chance of ultimatly winning out over the PS3 there, thoguh it is all down to games, and more importantly exclusive titles. If Nintendo can get squeenix solidly on board, as they seem to be doing, I think they have a good shot at it.

Re:are we surprised? (3, Interesting)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545724)

Because Sony has not made as many PS3s as Nintendo has made Wiis. Rather simple isn't it?

Well, that is the simplest answer and it is certainly a major factor.

Other peopel have pointed out (and after research I now have to agree) that the PS3 isn't selling in the USA (if any one wants ot buy a PS3, Circuit City has 60gig versions in stock).

Anecdotally, I was at Best Buy yesterday and they were still out of Wii (got a shipment that day but sold out very quickly) but had 12 PS3.

I can't claim anything definitive from that anecdotal evidence, but I'm do think it's quite plausible that the high price of the PS3 and it being functionally similar to the Xbox360 which has been out for a year has limited demand for the console such that they already have sufficient production. Or maybe the ones that weren't willing to wait in lines or track deliveries to every store in the region have given up on getting a PS3 for now and simply haven't noticed that the stores have them stocked. That hasn't happened with the Wii, obviously, as people are still scarfing up the consoles as fast as they arrive.

Re:are we surprised? (2, Informative)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545962)

Anecdotally, I was at Best Buy yesterday and they were still out of Wii (got a shipment that day but sold out very quickly) but had 12 PS3. I can't claim anything definitive from that anecdotal evidence,

Well, in general, you can never claim anything definitive from any anecdotal evidence. However, I can point out that it took over 5 months for the Xbox 360 to be generally available in retail stores. The PS3 has been out for less than 2 months, and it's reached that status. Does anyone know how many PS3s and Xbox 360s were manufactured in the first two months? My guess is that the numbers are pretty much the same, which means that the Xbox 360 was much more popular during its first two months than the PS3 was.

Re:are we surprised? (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546334)

"Anecdotally, I was at Best Buy yesterday and they were still out of Wii (got a shipment that day but sold out very quickly) but had 12 PS3."

There are a lot of us with similar anectdotes. I just bought a TV yesterday at my local Sam's Club and asked about the Wii while I was there. I got, "We don't have any Wiis in stock but we have a few PS3s. It's high definition just like your TV." I've been hearing more than a few similar stories about availability. I'll be honest. Even though I'm pretty firmly in the "standard definition is good enough for me" camp (the HD is primarily for my PC that I keep hooked up to a TV), I had a strong urge to pick up something that took full advantage of my new TV. Not a $600 urge mind you (the 32" TV was less than that), but a definite urge.

Re:are we surprised? (5, Funny)

AeroIllini (726211) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547254)

Anecdotally, I was at Best Buy yesterday and they were still out of Wii (got a shipment that day but sold out very quickly) but had 12 PS3.
Proper plurals:

One Wii, many Wii. A group of Wii is a club.
One XBox, many XBoxen. A group of XBoxen is a pack.
One PS3, many PS3s. A group of PS3s is a rarity.

*rimshot*

Re:are we surprised? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545866)

Other peopel have pointed out (and after research I now have to agree) that the PS3 isn't selling in the USA (if any one wants ot buy a PS3, Circuit City has 60gig versions in stock). Yet is is still a chalange (though not impossible) to buy a Wii despite much higher production levels.

Yes. And that is a disaster for Sony who has cut, slashed and slaughtered their shipment targets because of shortage of blue lasers, claiming that the preciously few PS3 that actually shipped would sell like hotcokes. That even the few that have actually shipped aren't selling is nothing but a huge flop. It's not even a very big push for Blu-Ray, which seems to be the alter which they've sacrificed the console market on. The Wii is still sold out everywhere here - whatever comes on the shelves is sold immidiately (I just checked our version of pricewatch for Wiis. I bought mine at 1PM yesterday - at 4PM they were sold out again. All the online stores I check on a pricewatch-like site are sold out and have waiting lists.

Re:are we surprised? (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546174)

You have online stores that are taking waiting lists for Wiis?

as I am a lazy sod (but patient) I would love to get on a wait list for a company that will sell me one when I get to the head of a list with no effort on my side. So, any chance of a link?

Re:are we surprised? (4, Interesting)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546320)

People are very quick to predict the doom and gloom of sony. What they all fail to recognize is that sony (and anybody else that had a clue on how the trends are moving) knew that this is going to happen. For months. The only thing they would not be able to anticipate is the negative public backlash from the hype machine that tried to imitate from the success of the 360 last year. This is a planned risk, as they are essentially taking on two fronts. One front is the video area, with Nintendo coming out guns blazing, and on top of that, the Microsoft juggernaut attempting to brute force their way through the market.

The bigger front that I see, is the movie industry. How long have DVDs been out? something like less than 10 years? How long did it take for them to make VHS obsolete? While it's completely understandable that Blu-ray Discs are probably not going to dominate DVDs at the rate that DVD did VHS, higher definition picture quality WILL win it over. The big question is: will Blu-ray Disc be the new DVDs of the future? Or will HDDVD? Or some other format?

This is the wild frontier that sony has been eyeing. They want their format to win, and is using the PS3 as their foothold. The PS3 is nothing more than collateral damage. Ever wonder why sony isn't making as big a push to produce games out for the ps3 as much as MS or NIN (aside from the fact that nobody really knows how to maximize the ps3 as of yet)? Their goal is to have as many bluray disk players in as many homes as possible(and for $599 for early adapters, that's pretty damn cheap). Once they get a decent foothold, and especially when prices begin to drop to decent levels, say $299? is when we're going to see frightningly high levels of market dominance by sony.

Re:are we surprised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17546914)

No, of course not. why?

Because Sony has not made as many PS3s as Nintendo has made Wiis. Rather simple isn't it?


Considering the number of photos I've seen in the last week of various stores in Shibuya, Ikebukuro, Akihabara, and Den-Den with a stack of PS3s sitting under a sign that says "Wii and DS are sold out", I'd say your synopsis of what's going on in Japan isn't the whole picture. Sony's making plenty - they're just not selling them.

Re:are we surprised? (1)

Psychotext (262644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547016)

I see your point, but Japan has plenty of PS3s in stock so it's not going to make the slightest difference if Sony ups their production any more. Every time I've checked Amazon.co.jp this week they have had the PS3 and news reports state that the high-street stores have stock too.

Sony either need games or a price drop.

Re:are we surprised? (4, Interesting)

SuchiRu (675808) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547142)

See this is where you are wrong. I'm living in Tokyo right now, and I go about every other day to Akihabara to try to get a Wii. For the last week the PS3's have been stacked up behind the counter, and when I say stacked I mean 4 wide square 10 high with at least 4 piles everyday. Looking at Yodobashi-Akiba (the largest electronics store in Japan) they have had the sign saying that PS3's are in stock for the last 1 and a half weeks as well as every other electronics store in Japan, but when you look above that sign it says the Wii is sold out. I have never seen that sign change. I wish it would because I want a Wii.

From Gamasutra: (3, Informative)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545554)

"According to the report, Sony has yet to officially comment on the figures released by Enterbrain, noting only that there may be a discrepancy between the number of units sold and the number of PlayStation 3 consoles that were shipped within Japan."


Yes Sony, you can't compare "sold" with "shipped" - even though that's what you do every time you try to show the DS isn't beating the PSP globally.

I would be more impressed... (0, Redundant)

Niahak (581661) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545564)

I would be more impressed if this weren't almost entirely due to the production numbers of each system.

Let's wait a few months until systems actually sit on the shelf before being purchased, instead of both systems selling out with each shipment. Then we'll see who's winning.

Re:I would be more impressed... (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545694)

Uh, it's not due to production numbers. PS3s are sitting on shelves, and people are still lining up at 9pm the night before best buy gets a shipment of Wii's. The people have spoken - and they don't want a PS3. I expect this to change when the next final fantasy game comes out for the PS3, but right now, nintendo is pretty much kicking sony's ass.

Doesn't that make Nintendo evil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17546226)

I mean, Sony was slammed for creating such a climate where people lined up for a short supply of consoles... ...oh yeah, when Nintendo does it it's okay.

Re:Doesn't that make Nintendo evil? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17546726)

No, no, Sony was slammed for creating an environment where people were shot or robbed for their PS3.

Nintendo is off the hook because they created an entirely different [xkcd.net] environment.

Is this a surprise? (3, Informative)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545566)

The electronics consumer base in Japan has historically tended towards choosing revolutionary products in lieu of evolutionary alternatives. It's a very welcoming market for novel products.

Causes: Price, Games (5, Informative)

I'll Provide The War (1045190) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545604)

It is certainly no longer a supply issue as PS3s are sitting on shelves all over Japan.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/ps3-sales-look-sluggi sh-in-japan-part-ii-226243.php [kotaku.com]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/those-ps3s-sales-look -sluggish-in-japan-225907.php [kotaku.com]

Re:Causes: Price, Games (0)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547018)

It is certainly no longer a supply issue as PS3s are sitting on shelves all over Japan.

And my local supermarket has tins of beans sitting on shelves. After all, they can't be selling because they had a whole pile of them when last I looked.

check your math (0, Offtopic)

PaulMorel (962396) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545632)

"factor of almost 2:1"

Actually, 989,118 : 466,716 is OVER that 2:1 ratio that you mention.

Re:check your math (3, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545698)

But 989,118 : 466,716 is UNDER the 2:1 ratio for small values of 2. The 2 could be 1.5, it could be 1.7, whatever. And then let's look at the one. Maybe they rounded the 1 down from its true value of 1.3. I'm just saying, you're taking too rigid of a definition of 1 and 2.

Re:check your math (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17546978)

Oh, come one, the grandparent may be offtopic, but (s)he was right. When you give a ratio like that one, the denominator is usually 1 or a natural number, and the other one represents a proportion of that. If they tell you the ratio is nearly 2:1, what they mean is that the big number is nearly twice as the first number. Period. And it's wrong. It's a silly thing, it's a detail, but it's wrong. The correct ratio is 2.119314529606870131:1, so if you round that to 2:1, you have to say the real ratio is _over_ 2:1.

Besides, it's also a mistake to use a mathematical element incorrectly. They could say "about twice" or something informal. However, they chose to give a ratio, a mathematical expression, and they missed.

Another number I would like to see.... (2, Insightful)

ThinkWeak (958195) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545638)

How many Xbox 360's have sold in Japan since the PS3 Launch? It was my impression that the 360 just started to grab a market when the Blue Dragon bundle was released. With no real console-selling game out for the PS3 and the price point, I'm curious if Japan will opt for the 360 now.

Re:Another number I would like to see.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17547060)

The 360 sales soared when Blue Dragon was released; however, the week afterwards sales dropped again and the PS2 out sold the 360 again.

No real surprise... (1)

QueePWNzor (1044224) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545658)

I'll start with a feature comparison of the plusses:
PS3:
1. Something to brag about even though you still use your PS2 (less power consumtion)
2. Button munching madness!
3. A place to put the millions you're making
4. Motion sensing SIXAXIS (whether it works or not, SIXAXIS sounds cool)
5. High def! You can finally see photo-realistic characters that you only thought looked fine in plain 3d! The animation looks so good on a plasma from afar, it turns your TV into a TV!
6. Less embarassing name (OK, so that is a real plus)
Wii:
1. Cheap
2. Easy to use for everybody (only console that entertains old relatives)
3. Cheaper games
4. Unique
5. Pure fun
6. Less electric bills
7... I'm glad that I got the Wii.

Feature list for immature almost-tri-genarians (5, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546122)

PS3:
- SIXAXIS controller, which if pronounced sloppily can sound like "sex-asses".
- Motion sensing adds some potential.
Sex joke quotient: 50.

Wii:
- Name is inherently a phallus joke.
- Controller is phallic object, and referred to as "Wii-mote".
- Phallic object is "motion sensitive"
- Phallic object vibrates.
Sex joke quotient: 1 billion.

Winner: Wii. Wii always wins.

Don't you mean to say (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547140)

Wii always wiiiins!

*rimshot*

Re:No real surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17547102)

The consoles are worlds apart, a number of people are buying both.

Six asses? Piss 3? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547408)

Motion sensing SIXAXIS [...] Less embarassing name

O RLY? How is "six asses" or "piss 3" any less embarrassing than "wee"?

Cultural differences...? (1)

posterlogo (943853) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545682)

I'm wondering why the Microsoft Xbox or Xbox 360 fares so poorly in Japan. Is it because they have loyalty to the other Japanese console manufacturers? Is it because they think certain game types will never be done properly (by their standards) by foreigners? In this globalized age, why is there such a discrepancy here? Can Microsoft just not attract the best Japanese game designers? Do they not care? Do the designers have some nationalistic tendancies? Does all come down to Final Fantasy vs Halo? I'm just so amazed that more PS3s have sold in a month in Japan than Xbox360s in one year. I don't really have a preference for either right now, I figured they would do equally well in most markets. Not Japan I guess.

Re:Cultural differences...? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545982)

I'd say its more than MS bases their game selection on what will sell in the US and not in Japan. Believe it or not, they're different. When that one game by the old final fantasy guy came out, they sold more 360s in japan than had ever been sold or something stupid like that.

Re:Cultural differences...? (3, Informative)

ral8158 (947954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546438)

I think you're thinking of Blue Dragon, made by Akira Toriyama, creator of Dragon Quest and Dragon Ball. He's had very little to do with Final Fantasy.

Re:Cultural differences...? (1)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546808)

Art direction was done by Akira Toriyama, but Hironobu Sakaguchi (the guy who created Final Fantasy) created the game, and was development supervisor. Oh, and Nobuo Uematsu composed the music (as he did for FF1-9)

Re:Cultural differences...? (4, Insightful)

Rycross (836649) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546032)

Because the XBox simply doesn't have the kinds of games that Japanese gamers traditionally enjoy. That is, Japanese style RPGs such as Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, and dating sim style games.

The XBox software is very American, which isn't a bad thing at all, but it does mean that it doesn't sell well in Japan.

Re:Cultural differences...? (1)

AArmadillo (660847) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546116)

The problem with this theory is, neither does the PS3 or the Wii. The XBox 360 has more jRPGs (1) than either the PS3 (0) or the Wii(0).

Re:Cultural differences...? (2, Insightful)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546358)

The problem with this theory is, neither does the PS3 or the Wii. The XBox 360 has more jRPGs (1) than either the PS3 (0) or the Wii(0).
Gamers are not stupid. They're not going to make system decisions purely on what the game library is right now. Hardcore J-RPG fans (and I count myself as one), know that Sony consoles tend to get the best J-RPGs. Heck, I work at MS, but I will tell you I played far more PS2 games, thanks to all the RPGs from the likes of Square-Enix, Nippon-Ichi, Namco, etc. Square-Enix has already announced FFXIII will be going to the PS3. Of course, it'll take years for it to release (remember that FFXII just came out at the end of 2006).

That said, I wouldn't be surprised at all for things to change drastically this console generation. Whereas the Xbox had virtually no J-RPGs, the 360 is getting more love from developers. The same goes for Nintendo and the Wii, the new darling of the industry. Plus, multi-platform games, in general, are becoming more and more common (it makes business sense to do so, since game development costs are skyrocketing). So games that were typically Sony-exclusive may end up being on the 360 and Wii as well. As I've said before, that's great for gamers.

Chicken and egg problem (3, Informative)

jchenx (267053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546202)

The main problem initially, was that the Xbox gained a reputation for being a haven for mostly shooters and sports games (which honestly, isn't far from the truth). What few RPGs that were on the system came from Western developers (Knights of the Old Republic, Fable, Jade Empire, Morrowind, etc.). Unfortunately for MS, Japanese gamers love their "Japanese-style" RPGs (a la Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, etc.) and there were virtually none on the system. So it's pretty obvious why the Xbox brand gets little love in Japan.

That's changed a bit with the 360, thanks to MS attracting some big names. Mistwalker Studios [wikipedia.org] , headed by the former Square honcho (and creator of Final Fantasy), has been developing some big exclusive RPGs for the 360. Blue Dragon just came out last month, and Lost Oddysey is on the way. (As a J-RPG fan myself, I keep track of these things)

While Blue Dragon sold a decent number of 360s, it's definately not enough. One game will not suddenly turn the console around, especially one that's brand new IP and from a new studio. Unfortunately for MS, it becomes somewhat of a chicken and egg problem. They'll need more developers to make "Japan-friendly" games, in order to attract more Japanese gamers. However, those developers aren't going to make games on a platform with a low user-base.

To an optimist, things are looking better. There are several more high-profile games coming in 2007 for the 360, including titles from Square-Enix, and another RPG from Mistwalker. Virtual Fighter 5, which is apparently a huge success in Japan, was recently announced to be coming to the 360 as well.

Personally, I see 2007 as a "do or die" year for the 360 in Japan. If even after all the developer-love, Japanese gamers still don't take to the console ... then you might consider if other reasons are at play (nationalist tendencies, etc.).

Re:Cultural differences...? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546252)

I'm wondering why the Microsoft Xbox or Xbox 360 fares so poorly in Japan. Is it because they have loyalty to the other Japanese console manufacturers?

I think some of it is cultural xenophobia.

Mod parent insightful (0, Troll)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546542)

Thank God someone finally pointed out the harsh truth that none of us wants to speak out loud in this wonderful age of political correctness.

It's not like there is any shortage of JRPG's and Japanese-style fighters on the 360. Yet it still sells like shit there.

-Eric

Re:Mod parent insightful (1)

wish bot (265150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547084)

Yeah, that's the reason that Apple does so poorly in Japan too. Not.

Nationalism or what? (1)

elucido (870205) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547170)

It could be that in Japan they just don't like buying American products, this could be due to nationalism or racism, take a pick.

All three will survive (3, Interesting)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545686)

There's no chance that one of these three companies will fail in the hardware market this round, in the way that Sega did a few rounds ago.

But, I think there'll be a shift in the leadership, for those people who want to "rank" the leaders in the console market. The ingredients for this ranking draw on units sold, profit, and critical success, but isn't directly tied to any one of them.

My prediction for current generation:
1. Nintendo
2. Microsoft
3. Sony

For argument's sake, I'm going to claim that last generation was:
1. Sony
2. Microsoft
3. Nintendo
I know, I know, Microsoft lost money on every sale, while Nintendo made a healthy profit. Nintendo, though, had trouble finding and capitalizing on breakout games, and their console had difficulty penetrating the adult market.

Now, next round, what do you think the odds are that one of these three companies will fail, or that a newcomer will push one of them out of the top three? Is the next Nokia going to "N Gage" gamers and knock off Sony? Will Nintendo's "It's the gameplay, stupid" philosophy wear out? Will Microsoft decide to stop hemorraging cash, or *gasp* manage to make a profit? Turn in 2009 to find out!

Re:All three will survive (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547176)

>and their console had difficulty penetrating the adult market.

Really? I thought "Thank god you two plumbers just arrived!" was a big hit in America.

Re:All three will survive (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547424)

Well I got Karam to burn...

As someone that would love a PS3 but can't even justify a Wii right now, I completely agree, right now it would appear Sony will be #3. However to those saying Sony is going to die, I just want to know... why did Nintendo not die last round when they were "arguably" #3, when Sony will "arguably" be #3 this round? Each generation is a battle, not the complete war. To say Sony is dead now is pretty damn early. Everyone was proclaiming the death of Nintendo last couple of years, and they apparently are still alive. Sony's in a dip, but they're not dead yet (as much as you may want them to be so Microsoft can take their spot).

And no, answers like "good will" from Nintendo, "Sony's a Rootkit" are not answers that mean much for 90% of the world. Nintendo wasn't always the poster child for good business relations either ya know...

Vapor-journalism? (0)

cybereal (621599) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545740)

This article is citing numbers that make no sense at this point. First of all, as a Wii fan I realize it's tough to provide any information in a light that even slightly favors the PS3. But let's be somewhat more objective and come together in a conclusion that helps us realize why this article should not have been posted anywhere, let alone Slashdot:

Sony has not yet released Japan shipment figures for the PS3. But the company is tallying results and will release them "soon," said Nanako Kato, a spokeswoman for Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
Kato couldn't comment on the Enterbrain figures, but said there may end up being a discrepancy between the domestic sales, which were estimated by Enterbrain, and the actual shipment number.

We really don't need any more than this to realize that the numbers are just guesses. But let's consider what we already knew from before. The PS3 had manufacturing issues. The market could not be flooded to critical mass for optimal sales simply because there were no PS3's to buy. Not only does this have an initial negative effect on the sales numbers, but it also turns the general consumer off of the product, and if there are competitors, they will consider those instead. This repercussion can be seen in two examples.

1) The stores around my house have PS3's sitting around now. I don't believe it's because Sony caught up to demand. I believe that the demand shifted to the Wii because they were available. Also, since Christmas is over, parents are out of the running for camping stores for their stock.

2) Consider the advantage of an apparent lack of supply that the PS2 received. The advantage came only because there was no new alternative. You could not have the "newest" console without buying the PS2. In contrast, this year you could have the Wii instead. You were still getting the next generation, and still within a fair time frame to consider it also "the newest."

All of these number games are pointless at this time. It's obvious that the PS3 would undersell the Wii. Both companies have more than enough of a following to sell out for a few months. The fact that the Wii had more units available than the PS3 is all that these numbers confirm.

Remember, I'm no Sony fanboy. I think you're a moron for spending $599 on a gaming machine. But Slashdot doesn't need any more bias than it already has. Let's stop posting these worthless articles for the sake of the horde ok?

Re:Vapor-journalism? (2)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546048)

The demand switched to the Wii because they were available? Are you living in the same planet as the rest of us? The Wiis are sold out within hours. Before Christmas, few people were able to get a Wii without waiting in line!

You can blame the extra demand on a lower price, Wii Sports, or maybe even claiming that it's the better product overall, but better availability is just ludicrous.

Re:Vapor-journalism? (3, Insightful)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546314)

1) The stores around my house have PS3's sitting around now. I don't believe it's because Sony caught up to demand. I believe that the demand shifted to the Wii because they were available. Also, since Christmas is over, parents are out of the running for camping stores for their stock.
I don't think demand shifted from PS3 to Nintendo because of availability. I read several accounts of how hundreds of people were waiting in line for a small shipment of Wiis with only a few in the same line for a similar sized shipment of PS3s, before Christmas, and units of the PS3 were starting to be generally available hours after shipments were out. The way things are going right now, Sony is going to have to slow production, or start to move units faster, because having a dozen units at almost every retail outlet in the country with only a million units out the door is very, very bad news. They need to sell units faster, and the bad thing for them, is that there is no reason for their to be units sitting on the shelf except for disinterest, because it's not like when the 360 came out, and many people waited to see what Sony and Nintendo was coming out with. There is nothing else coming, so everybody who wants a 360 or PS3 pretty much has them, where as Nintendo might have 30 million people willing to buy, but can't yet, due to Wii availability. I'm one of the Wii-waiters myself. I'm probably going to wait until the spring game shows are over to make sure Nintendo doesn't have any surprise announcements (upgraded system, etc.), and start looking for a unit soon after.

Re:Vapor-journalism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17546760)

The stores around my house have PS3's sitting around now. I don't believe it's because Sony caught up to demand. I believe that the demand shifted to the Wii because they were available.

That makes no sense. Initially, both were equally unavailable. People had to stand in lines, get on lists or be lucky enough to show up at the right time to get one. You really couldn't consider one to be "more" available than another. Now, PS3s are very available. You can get them in most stores easily. The Wii is still unavailable. By your logic, demand should shift to PS3s, as they're so easy to find. But it didn't. People want the console they want. The don't magically decide that they want the console they can find. They may get discouraged and decide to hold off until what they want is more available but they don't suddenly want the opposite unless they wanted both to begin with.

What's happening is that people are getting Wiis and they're catching on. Look at how many online videos, etc, there are of people playing Wii. The PS3 is powerful and flashy, but it's what people expected. The Wii is unexpected. People who wouldn't ever want a PS3 want a Wii. These people are competing with "console people" for the limited supply, keeping demand up.

Re:Vapor-journalism? (3, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546888)

Remember, I'm no Sony fanboy.

The words say no, but the painfully tortured logic is telling me YES!

Let's stop posting these worthless articles for the sake of the horde ok?

We need articles like this because it is immensely gratifying to kick Sony while they're down. The rootkit will not be forgotten or forgiven.

Re:Vapor-journalism? (1)

Tuidjy (321055) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547450)

> The rootkit will not be forgotten or forgiven.

This is exactly how I feel as well. With Virtual Fighter V coming out on the 360, I may actually remain firm in my boycott of all things Sony.

Re:Vapor-journalism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17547030)

1) The stores around my house have PS3's sitting around now. I don't believe it's because Sony caught up to demand. I believe that the demand shifted to the Wii because they were available. Also, since Christmas is over, parents are out of the running for camping stores for their stock.

-

Maybe the lack of availability was the final straw after years of Sony jerking around people's chains. People could just be plain fed up. I know I am.

Also in: (0, Offtopic)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 7 years ago | (#17545804)

Dell dude busted for weed, Kennedy assassinated, and some guy woke up on the moon.

Sure they've got PS3's... (2, Interesting)

Buddy_DoQ (922706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17546964)

...but the 7-11's in Japan don't sell Slurpees. I mean, one could hardly call a 7-11 "7-11," if they ain't got no Slurpees!

Actually, a little wikipedia reading reveals that they tried to sell Slurpee when they first opened, but the populous was not interested in the frozen delight. Opting instead for the irresistible ice cream in a bag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Eleven#Japan [wikipedia.org]



Sorry, I know I'm way off topic, but I did get a big kick out of the picture of 7-11 selling the PS3.

The price points could easily explain this (3, Insightful)

Paradox (13555) | more than 7 years ago | (#17547216)

People need to keep in mind the Wii costs less than half of the PS3's hefty price tag. Of course more people are going to buy Wiis right now, it's cheaper. Not to say that the Wii's awesomeness isn't playing a big role, but keep in mind that Nintendo's biggest problem is finding 3rd party developers who make worthwhile games. The gamecube was a great system, but they had very few must-have games that were not from Nintendo. No matter how good the Wii is, good third party dev support is what wins console wars.

Before we all doom the PS3, let's wait until some of the big-name PS3 games come out later this year. Sony already knew they were going to take a loss at the outset of the PS3 market, so I think they're taking the long view. In Japan, when Final Fantasy XIII comes out, there is going to be a rabid fanbase that will purchase the console for that game alone. Others may hold off, but given the other big properties that will shortly follow, how can anyone avoid the PS3's gravity?

Also factor in the other part of the market... Blu-rays absolutely rock on a HDTV. LG is coming out with a dual-mode player, which means that given the choice, the consumer can be easily swayed towards Blu-ray simply by flooding (true) advertisements about the media's technical superiority. If Blu-ray pulls ahead, then the PS3 becomes much more attractive.

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