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Adult Film Industry Moving To HD DVD

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the BetaMax-deja-vu dept.

Media 527

profet writes "One of the heavyweights in the war between BlueRay and HD DVD has chosen its format. Various members of the adult film industry have decided on HD-DVD. The article says the reasons seem to be based primarily on cost of manufacturing. History has shown that the porn industry can be a driving factor for technology, as it was in deciding for the VHS format over BetaMax." Heise reports that US BlueRay press plants are refusing the adult industry's business (in German).

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I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (5, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564434)

Too much detail can be a bad thing ... unless you're into that sort of thing.

Re:I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (5, Funny)

wizzard2k (979669) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564492)

I can just see one of the first shot for HD DVD porn's title being....

1080pee

Re:I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (5, Interesting)

Shrubbman (3807) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564706)

Actually, (and this is legit) this [wikipedia.org] was shot in HD, so I imagine it'll get a re-release soon enough. ;')

Re:I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (5, Funny)

rucs_hack (784150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565072)

we should indeed want our porn released in HD. Then when it's ripped and stuck on torrent sites, the playback quality will be better.

Re:I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (1)

spleck (312109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564900)

I was looking forward to the first BD-ROM...

Re:I'm not sure I want my porn in HD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565052)

Are you sure you're not looking forward to the first BDSM-ROM?

It's not bad, really. (5, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564698)

Let me put it this way: It's like a real woman. Just because you can whip out a microscope and examine every inch of her body (every pimple, every blemish, every hair), doesn't mean you do. She's there, she's naked, presumably she wants to fuck you, so why are you counting the hairs in her landing strip?

Same thing with HD. Yes, if you pause it and zoom in, it may look much worse. But you've got a giant HDTV and some nice surround sound; again, why count the hairs in her landing strip when you can just sit back and enjoy the show?

Re:It's not bad, really. (4, Insightful)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564834)

Well I think that's exactly the point.

"Sitting back and enjoying the show" would be watching it on DVD.

Going out and buying the HD version instead is like buying a microscope.

Re:It's not bad, really. (3, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565082)

DVD porn already makes women look substantially worse. Google around, I'm sure you can find an adult film company talking about it. Flaws that you wouldn't even see on VHS are going to look like another orifice in HD.

I'm not sure porn was that big a factor (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564798)

The VHS camp simply purchased more TITLES, about 3 to one, versus Betamax.
Most people could not see the quality difference between the two formats.

The VHS format had more product to watch and won in the marketplace. Any
other thoughts were superflous.

I had both types of machines. I even had laser discs a couple of years later. Yes, I was there.

Re:I'm not sure porn was that big a factor (5, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564892)

Most people could not see the quality difference between the two formats.

The OP was not suggesting that Beta had higher quality pr0n. He was suggesting that in the VHS v. Beta war there was no interweb. When you can get (legally or illegally) high quality pr0n online, who cares if you can get high quality pr0n on HD-DVD as well?

Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (5, Interesting)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564440)

In the previous discussions about pornography decided the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray battle, I'd always said that the porn industry was fully capable of going both ways, and a few others besides (with the double-entendre wholly intended).

However, hearing that Sony itself has been pressuring the porn industry away from the Blu-Ray format, it seems they've shot themselves in the foot and mooted their brand from competition.

I suspect they want to keep the format that is used in their gaming system free of purient-interest content and not be a portal for pornography, preserving it as a "kid friendly" device. And with a limited number of facilities able to produce BD disks compared to DVD houses refitted for HD-DVD production, that scarcity allows Sony more control. Perhaps Sony is still stinging with the parental backlash against kids putting porn on their PSPs [wired.com] . How many more PSPs to adults did that revelation sell again?

Small reflection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564620)

Entertainment, such as games and porn, is about content and not the media.

Entertainment providers care about whatever works and protects their work.

So long as one option is available, if the other one isn't, no one is losing sleep over it. It's almost a non-story, except for outsiders.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (4, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564754)

I'd always said that the porn industry was fully capable of going both ways

Must. Resist. Urge to comment.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (0, Redundant)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565134)

>>I'd always said that the porn industry was fully capable of going both ways
>Must. Resist. Urge to comment.


At the same time, maybe even two of each!

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (4, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564794)

The more I have thought about it the more I think that the 'best' (and probably most plausable) outcome to this whole Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD war is that both formats will retain enough support for the first few years that eventually every 'Movie Player' will support both formats; at that point the consumer doesn't care anymore and the each of the 'camps' will be fighting over content providers.

Ultimately, if I see this as the likely outcome next christmas I will probably buy a HD-DVD player because I will have no worries about the content I buy not playing in future devices.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (4, Interesting)

Heir Of The Mess (939658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565018)

18 months ago I read an article that said Toshiba said they had a triple layer HD-DVD disk which holds 45GB, which pretty much makes the extra expense of Blue-Ray pointless. I read that Here [theregister.co.uk] . Move ahead to August 2006 and they are still just talking about it Here [hometheaterblog.com] and say the spec won't be finalised until mid 2007. They should make sure that HD-DVD players are ready now for this format, and can be firmware upgraded to read them. Of course even if they don't, the next gen HD-DVD players will still be able to play all the HD-DVD movies you already bought, so looking at that it's probably still the better investment.

Re:plus the features!! (5, Interesting)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564860)

listing to 'this week in tech', last week and someone (Leo / Dvorak) was saying they visited the HD-DVD booth who's rep's were all about how movies can be filmed with 'skinable features'.. and gave the example of Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift where they got to select the color of the cars....

I think Leo went on to predict the Porn industry will win the race with this feature alone...

Slashdotters will be able to superimpose their own face over Ron Jeremy's and finally get to see themselves (albeit a hairy version) do nasty things to girlz.

Re:plus the features!! (2, Insightful)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565030)

I'm suspecting that feature will land in the same category as multiangle DVD's. Yeah there are some pornos that use the technology, but I'm suspecting the logistics of coordinating X number of cameras instead of one is the reason. Also, I bet if you went into a porno store and asked everybody in the place if they knew about the multiangle technology, I'm betting the response would be less than 1 in 10.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (1)

brouski (827510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564888)

However, hearing that Sony itself has been pressuring the porn industry away from the Blu-Ray format, it seems they've shot themselves in the foot and mooted their brand from competition.

It does seems that they've made a habit of doing that lately, doesn't it?

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (1)

PriceIke (751512) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564972)

I agree. I do think the PlayStation Porn-able fiasco might actually be factoring into this too. But what a totally arbitrary decision for them to make .. porn = bad, but fucking over a user's [boingboing.net] computer [cnet.com] = good? If Sony is willing to trade off the success of its Blu-ray format for a barely-perceived nod toward family values, they're even dumber than I took them.

I predict that the majority of movies to be sold in the future will be DVD and HD-DVD, but Sony's movie studios will publish in DVD and Blu-Ray, and in two or three years, every new player sold will be able to play them both.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (2, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565036)

I think they lost any 'kid friendly' image when they showed an ad with a demon possessed baby.

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (4, Interesting)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565110)

I know a lot of people say that neither Blue-Ray or HD-DVD will win as the next format. The winner, they say, will be broadband and hard drive. In general, I disagree. Enough bandwidth to do High Def is years away, as is the hard drive space to store very many movies. People are going to be hitting the stores for discs of various kinds for quite some time.

But porn is different. There already exists a thriving movie download industry. The quality regularly improves as bandwidth allows. Small studios coexist with large ones without the conltroling cartels that force "legitimate" indie movies to distribution hell. In short, unlike in the "legitimate" movie industry, customers have both accepted the quality and continued to pay for downloadable content in large numbers, despite the greater production values and higher resolution of DVD.

I have no doubt that many people will buy HD-DVD to view porn. There's a market for higher quality and physical media. But I'll be very suprised if the download scene doesn't outpace the HD-DVD scene all the way to the point where HD downloads start making practical sense for everyone.

TW

Re:Protect Reputation or Shoot Foot? (3, Insightful)

MasterC (70492) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565120)

However, hearing that Sony itself has been pressuring the porn industry away from the Blu-Ray format, it seems they've shot themselves in the foot and mooted their brand from competition.
Along with this point, why does Sony get to ride the moral-high-horse after their rootkit debacle?

"No, we don't want porn released on our products, but secretly installing crippling software on computers -- regardless if people accept the EULA -- we fully support (*ahem* until we get caught and sued *ahem*)."

Just me or is that a big hypocritical? On the other hand, I'm sure there is a "business philosophy" disconnect between the HD DVD and music groups/divisions.

Disk vs. Disc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564456)

In popular usage, a computer drive is commonly called a disk with the k while the audio and video medium is usually called a disc with the c.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk [wikipedia.org]

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1354224 [everything2.com]

http://www.stedmans.com/MTFeaturePrint.cfm/1324 [stedmans.com]

VHS vs. Beta (4, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564464)

You mean the mythical VHS versus Beta where the "better" format lost, or the _real_ VHS vs. Beta war where the better format (longer tapes, for one thing) actually won but where people keep propogating the "Beta was better than VHS!" myth?

Re:VHS vs. Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564548)

Betamax was interpreted as Bettermax by idiots.

Re:VHS vs. Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565062)

The actual recording quality and lifetime of a Beta tape was/is better than VHS.

About 7 or 8 years ago I was doing some work experience at a tv studio. They used to record everything on Betamax for archiving because a) the quality was slightly better, and b) the recordings would keep better quality for longer.

I suspect also that the bigger physical size also made them harder to lose :p

If you're comparing actual recording quality and longetivity alone, then Beta would win out. However, in terms of the consumer market, VHS was definitely the way to go due to recording length.

Re:VHS vs. Beta (2, Insightful)

arniebuteft (1032530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564714)

Dual-format players that cost only a little more than a single-format player are quite probable in the HD-DVD vs. BD war. With VHS and Beta, it was all or nothing - the technology didn't lend itself easily to a dual-format system. With the HD war, you're dealing with spinning, shiny, dimpled disks of plastic being read by a 405nm laser. Sure, the disks need different optics for reading, and the data's arranged a bit differently, but it shouldn't cost that much more for a dual-format player, once the tech is more mature. I think there are already two dual-format players available (or nearly available) on the market.

Wouldn't it be funny if this whole format war never materialized? All that effort by Sony to develop a competing format, and it goes nowhere.

Re:VHS vs. Beta (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564816)

Amen. It was all about recording (buying tapes just wasn't affordable at the time and rentals were a bigger hassle at first) and Beta was inferior in that regard thanks to VHS's longer recording times. Now, the situation is reversed in that people are less likely to care about the increased storage on Blu-ray because they'd rather do their TV recording on a hard drive (be it Tivo, their satellite/cable box or a PC media center).

I don't know that porn will be a deciding factor in this format war (especially considering how much "free" porn people can grab off the Interwebs) but it's not a good sign if Sony and company are taking that kind of control over what gets published on their format.

Re:VHS vs. Beta (4, Insightful)

LeninZhiv (464864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565074)

Right on. I think the only reason more people don't point out the parallels between HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray to the last format war (SACD vs. DVD-Audio) was that SACD and DVD-Audio were both such catastrophic failures that only audiophiles even know what they were. Because in the mean time, mp3s took over.

And if VHS was 'technically inferior' to Betamax, mp3 compared to SACD/DVD-A would be off the charts bad. And guess what people chose?

History repeats (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564474)

It really is VHS vs. BetaMax all over again. And it's even Sony again pushing the more expensive and less open option!

Re:History repeats (-1, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564716)

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=4513&Itemid=2 [next-gen.biz]

HD-DVD is less open. You're a dumbfuck. Please die now, we need the air you're wasting.

Re:History repeats (2, Funny)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564828)

Please die now, we need the air you're wasting.

Air?!? Who cares about the air, you take his air, I have dibs on the fresh water.

Re:History repeats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565064)

HD-DVD has already been cracked and they're on the verge of cracking bluray, so this argument no longer holds water.

Re:History repeats (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565112)

Out of interest why do you consider Blu-Ray "less open"? From everything known of both formats, they run a virtually identical software stack including crypto. The most significant difference is the way that bits are stored on a disk, but other than that they're ugly sisters whose only saving grace is the amount of capacity they offer.

I'm surprised the porn industry really cares about either format. Seems like they would make lots more money by going straight to digital downloads. Besides this story manages to cite two different and mutually exclusive reasons that they would choose HD-DVD - 1) they were denied the ability to use Sony's production facilities 2) it was too expensive for them. So which was it?

one big difference (5, Insightful)

arazor (55656) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564476)


In the VHS vs Beta days you couldn't get high quality porn for free. I want HD DVD to win as I have invested in it but I just don't think this will be a big push for team HD DVD.

Re:one big difference (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564862)

Is there that much HD porn content available online? I'm sure it's available in some places but generally the sheer size of HD content is enough to stretch even modern broadband's limits and I don't think it's as nearly prevalent as porn at standard resolutions. With that in mind the porn endorsement is perhaps still a pretty big deal in the format wars. Depends how serious people are about their porn I guess.

Everything in this post is based on what a friend told me...

Re:one big difference (5, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564994)

Off topic - but does HD-DVD have a scratchproof layer like Blu-Ray licensed from TDK? (Based on my TDK scratchproof discs, this stuff works great and would influence my decision. I lost more than a few CDs/DVDs due to scratches).

Re:one big difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565104)

Mod parent down.

For your "difference" to make any difference, it would mean that porn film sales now are less substantial than they were during the VHS/Beta wars. That's just wrong - porn sales on physical media (and in general) are stellar and the profits are huge. Most free porn is either short clips or illegal copies of low rent productions. The major players are very good at making sure their product isn't given away for free and most people want the goods they have rather than the poor quality, no name stuff you can find for free.

Re:one big difference (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565138)

Hush! You're ruining the cute little storyline Slashdotters love to tell over and over about how porn drives technology and how it crushed the "superior" Betamax, even though VHS was the superior format with a longer running time (long enough to hold a feature film). As you should know by now, journalism isn't about truth and accuracy. It's about interesting storylines to grab readers.

As for HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray, I always rooted for Blu-Ray because of its superior storage and the fact it uses Java, which pisses off Microsoft. But either way, both formats will lose to digital media. Eventually, 1080p movies will be sold on iTunes, and at that point, nobody will care about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, just like they're beginning to not care about CDs.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564490)

F1R57 P057

Welp. (1, Redundant)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564538)

The cat(house) is out of the bag now. This was the news many people that have been following the so-called "war" have been waiting for: which side will the porn industry go with?

Granted, this is just one production company, however it can be assured that more are to follow. Personally, I don't really care which side wins; with the possibility of holographic storage so close in the future (~5-10 years, if industry estimations are correct) I most likely will be sticking with DVD until then.

Despite the news from the industry tho, I wouldn't exactly call this a nail in the coffin...I will, however, say that this brings us one step closer to the end, regardless of which format "wins". I like that blu-ray has more capacity...I'm an extra's and commentary-track fiend, so more space means potentially more content for me to view on less discs...then again, HD-DVD is FAR cheaper both in purchasing and manufacturing.

They both have their plus and minus to go with them...for me, a progressive scan DVD player is plenty fine for now. I'll wait until the "next big thing" rather than "the next medium thing" to shift what format I collect movies in.

Re:Welp. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564668)

HD-DVD is FAR cheaper both in purchasing and manufacturing.

So has it been for many technologies. Cheaper wins over Better if Cheaper is "good enough.":

IDE vs SCSI
x86 vs RISC
Ethernet vs token ring

Re:Welp. (2, Insightful)

rhombic (140326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564770)

So has it been for many technologies. Cheaper wins over Better if Cheaper is "good enough.":

IDE vs SCSI
x86 vs RISC


OK, I'm with you so far...

Ethernet vs token ring


Have you ever installed & maintained a token ring network, and kept it going when idiot 1users would try to "fix" things when they had a problem? Oh god, the horror, the horror.

The right one won with that battle, IMO

Re:Welp. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564928)

From a theoretical standpoint token ring was supposedly better in terms of reliability and performance. Ethernet was cheaper, and most applications were not critical enough to warrant the price difference. Hence cheaper won out. Practicality was also a factor, too.

Credit Card ready (5, Funny)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564556)

Whew! Thanks for this news, Slashdot! Now I can finally feel confident buying an HD-DVD player!

Re:Credit Card ready (2, Funny)

Elsan (914644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564762)

I was going to post the same comment but was busy... doing... something...

Looks like... (3, Interesting)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564608)

Sony blew their chances.

But a semi-serious question though: Have sales of porn movies decressed with the greater availability of online content?

Re:Looks like... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564662)

I don't know the answer to your question, but I can tell you this:

Thanks to the net, I can find copies of MANY of my long lost favourites:

Bitches of Westwood
A Clockwork Orgy
Sex Trek the Next Penetration (and the sequal, the Search for Sperm)
etc.

(I'm not kidding, it is really easy to find those hard-to-find titles now)

salut (1)

odium (70227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564622)

Even though it might be true that porn pushes the industry, I salute Sony for not wanting any on their Blue Rays

Re:salut (2, Insightful)

Fonce (635723) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564838)

Yet this is precisely the sort of "we don't need your money, customers" attitude that screwed Sony out of the last big format they pushed (aside from UMD, which IMO isn't a 'major' format). Beta died fast and hard because it couldn't compete with the format putting out huge numbers of titles, be they porn or not. Look at DVD sales and check out what percentage are porn. Can Sony prevail with a format that alienates that much of a market share? Unlikely.
 
Beyond this, if BD does, in fact, win, then to what medium does the porn industry turn? If Sony is trying to kill off the adult entertainment industry, this is not the way to go about it. They (with the consumers' help) will find a way.
 
Yes, this post is just gushing with double-entendres.

Re:salut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565128)

Pathetic.

Oh its really hacked now... (5, Insightful)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564672)

With the porn industry behind HD-DVD now, there is little doubt that the HD-DVD format will be hacked into oblivion. Nothing inspires developers more than the possability of free porn....

This is big "fucking" news (1)

felonious (636719) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564676)

Double entendre intended

Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry so this is a big deal, and speaks volumes about winning the "standard" race.
You have millions of Xbox 360 owners who can now watch porn on their Xbox's. That will, most definitely, be a big deal and selling point, between friends. I'm sure the porn industry will use this, tie-in, as a selling point too. Gaming meets porn is a natural IMHO. It's the next step in enterspankment. Yes, I have coined a new a catchy phrase!

It's going to be sweet to use my 360 remote a a virtual dildo, but it'd be better if it worked like the Nintendo nunchuk, so it could sense, exactly, how I'm moving it. Maybe that'll be an addon pack? There's so many ways to go with this, actually.

Seriously speaking, the costs are cheaper to produce HD-DVD. Standalone players are half the price of Blue Ray and the quality is the same, to the naked eye. Anyone who can tell the difference between 1080i/p is full of it and it's more dependent on the tv, cable, etc., than which HD format you're using.

This really is a big deal, in terms of, the new format war.

Re:This is big "fucking" news (1)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564904)

Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry so this is a big deal, and speaks volumes about winning the "standard" race.
You have millions of Xbox 360 owners who can now watch porn on their Xbox's. That will, most definitely, be a big deal and selling point, between friends. I'm sure the porn industry will use this, tie-in, as a selling point too. Gaming meets porn is a natural IMHO. It's the next step in enterspankment. Yes, I have coined a new a catchy phrase!


I thought I read a statistic somewhere that the Porn Industry's revinues were as large as the Movie, Music and Videogame industries' revinues combined; now I don't know whether this statistic is true or not, but if it was it would imply that if the Porn industry choose HD-DVD and the Movie industry choose Blu-Ray the HD-DVD format would be the winning format in most homes.

Re:This is big "fucking" news (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565046)

Standalone players are half the price of Blue Ray and the quality is the same, to the naked eye. Anyone who can tell the difference between 1080i/p is full of it and it's more dependent on the tv, cable, etc., than which HD format you're using.

There are two big reasons for this:
1. The frame rate of film is 24 fps. At that rate, the potential artifacts and loss of resolution in interlacing are reduced to nada. It's just a matter of doing the proper "pulldown" of frames to adjust to the display's refresh rate. The interlacing problems should only become a big factor over 30 fps.
2. HD-DVDs and Blu-ray discs both store movies at 1080p. So once the players output the "true" 1080p signal (and that's happening with HD-DVD now - the 360's implementation can output 1080p via VGA), the only factor left is the level of compression used. Unless Blu-ray discs use significantly less compression (which they theoretically can do with the increased potential space), HD-DVD and Blu-ray movies are going to look exactly the same. At that point, Blu-ray's only real advantage (as far as prerecorded movies) is that they can stick in more extras, a factor which is really only important to the movie nerds. Personally, I only utilize the commentary tracks (and those only occasionally), and I know that my parents and grandmother have never looked at DVD extras - anecdotal, grain of salt, etc.

All that being said, the price differential really only exists because some companies are subsidizing HD-DVD hardware in an effort to get increased early penetration. And, even when compared to $1,000 players, $500 players are still too expensive for most people, even if they have an HDTV. This race won't start clearing up until someone starts selling standalone units for less than $300 (though Sony's apparent decision to have tight control on BD content doesn't bode well for them).

Why?? (1)

Negativeions101 (706722) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564678)

Why does Sony care if porn is on it's format? Are you telling me they've learned nothing from history? Who are these people? 17th century shogun? Jesus mother. Like just put on a blind fold and have a cigarette.

Sure... lets just trust what the porn guys say (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564702)

Actually both articles read more like he-said she-said. No where is anyone quoting Sony as not allowing adult content. I suspect this will all turn out to be
rumor and untrue motivated by a desire to swing the HD industry one way or the other.

The adult content industry is much more sensitive to distribution cost than major studios. Odd they are only now complaining when Blu-Ray seems to finally have the upper hand.

Is this really true? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564704)

No Blu-ray disk manufacturer would make their disks because Sony doesn't want porn on Blu-ray
Sony actually won't allow porn on Blu-ray? Does anyone have a source for this, because it sounds absurd, even by Sony standards.

HD-DVD will win over "Blu-Ray" because of names... (4, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564708)

"HD-DVD" will win over "Blu-Ray" because of the name of the tech anyway...

Average consumer: "WTF is Blue Ray?"
Answer: "It lets you watch high-definition DVDs."
Average consumer: "Is there a Red Ray?"

Average consumer: "WTF is HD-DVD?"
Answer: "It lets you watch high-definition DVDs."
Average consumer: "Sorry I was such a dumbass."

Re:HD-DVD will win over "Blu-Ray" because of names (1)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564996)

Average consumer: "WTF is Blue Ray?"

That's not what Jessica Simpson [gizmodo.com] would say.

Jessica: Blue Ray! I totally don't know what that means, but I want it!

Re:HD-DVD will win over "Blu-Ray" because of names (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565006)

Fixing it for you

"HD-DVD" will win over "Blu-Ray" because of the name of the tech anyway...

Average consumer: "WTF is Blue Ray?"
Answer: "It lets you watch high-definition DVDs."
Average consumer: "Is there a Red Ray?"

Average consumer: "WTF is HD-DVD?"
Answer: "It lets you watch high-definition porn DVDs."
Average consumer: "Sorry I was such a dumbass."

Thank Goodness (2, Insightful)

Eradicator2k3 (670371) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564712)

Do you know how long I've been waiting to see highly defined zits and cigarette burns on the actresses' asses?

Is porn really pushing tech??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564726)

For a while it was said frequently that the porn industry was on the leading edge of web techniques with ecommerce and especially the development of techniques for popup windows. But where are teh web2.0 porn sites? Or aren't those types of websites particularly good for profits?

Beta Pr0n? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564744)

Someone has their facts wrong. Beta was the preferred media for porn during most of the early days of the VCR since its pause worked. VHS porn didn't even come close to catching up with Beatamax until after the 4 (and 6) head VHS players were popular. Years after the entire rental business had gone to VHS, there were more Beta tapes made because of porn and studio use. That was the case until just a few years before the introduction of the DVD.

Porn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564748)

Is there anything it can't do?

'Nuff said

Does it matter? (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564820)

Porn might have been a deciding factor in beta vs. VHS, but that was before the almighty internet tubes. I guess most porn people have comes in handy divx or similar formats. Heck i'd fell bad paying for porn, supporting that industry.

Things Change - Indicators Change (1)

javelinco (652113) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564878)

There may be merit to this argument, but it's unlikely. People get their porn on the Internet now - not so much on DVD. There is still a market, but it's much less significant. So, while an interesting fact, it's reasonable to assume that it may not apply today.

PS3 has no porn then.... (3, Funny)

yeoua (86835) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564882)

So does this mean that the PS3 is a kiddy system because it won't actually have any "adult media" while the XBOX360 can?

stop it. (-1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564926)

The Betamax issue had nothing to do with Porn, it had to do with liscensing.

Everybody started moving to VHS because of it. But lets make it look like it was because of porn.

Just because people are looking for ways to legitimize porn in their own eyes.

Not that there is anything wrong with filming what 1 or more consenting adult are doing.

hmm interesting (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564930)

Does anyone else think it's odd that a Japanese company doesn't want porn on their format and an American one does. That's absolutely oppposite of what you'd expect. Well forget players, now people REALLY REALLY REALLY aren't going to upgrade to Vista if they know it can't play HD-DVDs as it supposedly isn't able to at the moment.

I call bullshit (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 7 years ago | (#17564964)

A secondhand report of one guy's anecdote that unnamed sources say that Sony is discouraging the adult industry from using Blu-Ray. Oh yeah, stop the presses already.

It's just wrong, wrong, wrong (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17564982)

As a Republican I would like to publicly state my strong opposition to HD-DVD.

If we let HD-DVD win, we let the pornographers win.

XXX-Box (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17565020)

Oh! I finally get it ...

So that's why it's called an X-Box!

Dvorak (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565048)

I guess the adult film industry finally heard Dvorak telling everyone how excited he was that HD-DVD software would be able to replace a star's face in a movie with a picture of your own. I can't find a source backing this up, but I've heard it from his (often loud and obnoxious) mouth a few times.

Finally, every Slashdotter can be seen with a naked woman.

hmmm (1)

benigndarkness (1033354) | more than 7 years ago | (#17565054)

well, i remember the fact that the psp could get on the internet and people called it the "playstation pornable" and stuff like that, so i can understand sony being paranoid about blu-ray porn, but...telling them 'no' wasn't probably the solution either, haha... i have no interest in looking up anything to support the following, but wouldn't more people these days get there porn fixes online than through dvd? it's a different age, much different than beta max and vhs...feel free to ignore, i'm not going research porn sales vs. porn downloads
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