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Games Industry Sees 12 Billion in Sales For 2006

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the that-is-a-lot-of-gil dept.

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Gamespot is reporting that, with the NPD numbers in, we can finally put the debate about last year's winners and losers to rest. Overall, the industry was the winner, with a record-breaking $12.5 Billion in sales last year. December accounted for almost $4 Billion all by itself. In software, the usual suspects prevailed. Madden topped the chart with 2.8 Million in sales for the PS2 version of Madden 07. Right behind was New Super Mario Bros. on the DS, with some 2 Million in sales of its own. On the console side of things ... well, as Kotaku points out 'everyone is a winner' this year. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have all put out press releases declaring themselves the winner of the Holiday console wars. The sad reality, though, is there can be only one. According to the NPD numbers, between the launch of the new consoles and the end of the year, some 1.1 Million Nintendo Wiis were sold with 687,300 PS3s following closely behind. Microsoft trails with its numbers from 2005; it sold 607,000 consoles in its launch year. Don't feel too bad for Microsoft, though. They sold 1.1 Million 360s in December. The article points out this means Microsoft met its '10 Million in sales' goal for the end of 2006.

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Price (4, Insightful)

HappySqurriel (1010623) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573494)

Riley also thought the PS3's high price--$499 for the 20GB model, $599 for the 60GB--wasn't as large a factor as many have made it out to be. "I think price plays a role there, but remember during the holiday season people have deep pockets," he said. "Kids know what they want, and if they tell mom to go buy a PS3 and she comes home with a Wii, they won't be happy."

Honestly, when it comes to console sales I don't think price has that much of an impact on early adopters because it is a planned purchase; something which is budgeted for and anticipated months in advance. Where price becomes a factor is that most console purchases are not planned and happen when one or two popular games are sold; when someone watches an advertisement on TV and goes out to buy a PS3 with Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy they will (mostly) be anticipating a price of $300 or $400 for the system and game combined.

Re:Price (3, Interesting)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573638)

hmmm, I dono. I am willing to bet the price was a factor for parents figguring out if Little Timmy (after all, we Know little timmy isn't that smart, after the incedent with H2SO4, and probably can't get the cash together to buy himself one, or the fact that he is under 16 YoA) gets a PS3 for XMass or not.

True, to hardcore gamers price possibly isn't AS big a deal, but even there I am betting a number of people that would have picked up the PS3 (despite the lackluster showing of games) are waiting it out for better games and a pricedrop (where in over cases people would have been willing to pick it up and then wait for the games).

Oh, and with the 360's showin in December, it looks like the race is going to be between MS and Nintendo.

Re:Price (1)

bdonalds (989355) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574060)

But Thansal, your argument makes no sense. We all know that after the H2SO4 incident, Timmy was no more, so why would his parents buy him a PS3?

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574132)

You lie, Timmy's not dead!

[Shredder Voice]: Do I?

Noooo!!!

Re:Price (0, Troll)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573772)

Honestly, when it comes to console sales I don't think price has that much of an impact on early adopters

You are crazy. On the one hand, you frequently attack the PS3 for its high price and then on the other you say that price doesn't matter. Everyone got sticker shock in May when the PS3 prices came out and immediately everyone said I'm going the Xbox 360/Nintendo Wii route. You can't have it both ways.

Re:Price (1)

vidarh (309115) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573932)

Attacking the PS3 for it's high price and saying it doesn't has that much impact on early adopters is entirely consistent - if you read the rest of the message you'll see he points out that he thinks it does have an impact on the majority of console sales because most sales aren't planned purchases. Whether you agree with him or not doesn't mean he can't have it both ways.

Re:Price (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575366)

I disagree. Many of my coworkers own PS2 and were fairly interested when I mentioned that the PS3 was coming out. Out of the 10 or so that I talked to, zero went looking for one after I mentioned that it was $500-600. I believe over half of these people purchased the PS2 on or near launch. I would say that price makes a HUGE difference to the average consumer.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575722)

Yeah price isn't a big deal for that tiny fraction of people who can be called early adopters. People buying consoles as Christmas gifts for their families do not fit that mold -- again except for a tiny fraction. And they do often budget and plan for Christmas months in advance, but that does not mean that they can afford to budget $600 -- they're budgeting because they have limited funds. A lot of people doing this will plan to buy a cheaper console because $600 is too much.

And as far as the quote about kids telling mom to buy a PS3, I can tell you that may happen but most of the time mom is going to ask how much one of these PS3 gizmos cost, and when the kids say $600 she's going to tell them no way, and the kids will either settle for a cheaper console or go without. I think I know which way most kids would rather go.

It's all relative? (5, Insightful)

antialias02 (997199) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573522)

I'm still scratching my head as to how 687,000 is "closely behind" 1.1 Million. (400,000 consoles is nothing to shake a stick at.)

Re:It's all relative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574144)

The 687k number was XBox 360's equivalent sales in Dec 2005 (Comparing XBox 360's launch XMas period with Wii/PS3's launch XMas period). In December 2006, they sold 1.1million.

Re:It's all relative? (1)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574704)

The 687k number was XBox 360's equivalent sales in Dec 2005 (Comparing XBox 360's launch XMas period with Wii/PS3's launch XMas period). In December 2006, they sold 1.1million.


Wow, even the summary says "Microsoft trails with its numbers from 2005; it sold 607,000 consoles in its launch year."

This means that in 6 weeks Sony managed to outsell the XBox360 in its first few months of sales. Despite the massively higher price tag. Despite HD not being as new and shiny. It is a minor consolation to Sony, however now their fanboys have their PS3s and this year is going to be really tough. Still, they sold a boat load of PS2s, so they're making money there by the bucketload.

The NPD figures are USA only too. The Wii would have sold more but Nintendo shuffled some half a million into Europe for a launch there.

The fact is worldwide to date the PS3 has sold around a million consoles. The Wii has sold around 3 million. The figures on nexgenwars.com are clearly pulled from thin air though.

Re:It's all relative? (2, Informative)

Eponymous Crowbar (974055) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575252)

The first several months of the 360's introduction were pretty rough for potential buyers. As bad as the PS3 shortages were, I can walk into a store right now and pick one up after just two months on the market. The 360 trickled out until it was already 4-6 months old (which was when I could finally find one to buy without putting any effort into the search). It was more or less sold out until then.

Re:It's all relative? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576068)

This means that in 6 weeks Sony managed to outsell the XBox360 in its first few months of sales. Despite the massively higher price tag. Despite HD not being as new and shiny.

In defense of Microsoft, their initial sales were also constrained by supply problems. So just barely edging out Microsoft's 2005 sales isn't much of a victory for Sony. It might make for some nice headlines, though. God knows that Sony needs some positive press.

The NPD figures are USA only too. The Wii would have sold more but Nintendo shuffled some half a million into Europe for a launch there.

Not just Europe. The Wii was also launched in Australia, New Zealand, Russia [ixbt.com] (weird?), and South America; placing rather massive demands on Nintendo's already strained production capabilities. Apparently, the Wii became the fastest selling console ever in Australia [palgn.com.au] , adding to its record shattering sales in the UK [gamesindustry.biz] and the rest of Europe [gamesindustry.biz] . So far, the Wii has been a license to print money for Nintendo.

The figures on nexgenwars.com are clearly pulled from thin air though.

You have no idea [nexgenwars.com] how correct you are. The nitty-gritty of it is as follows:

It basically just takes time and research to estimate the numbers as closely as possible.

Now for the new consoles it is a little harder since there is no previous sales data to go off of. What I do for these is research how many they are expecting to have on launch and by the end of the year. For the launch counter I get it to around the number expected, and then I slow it down to pace it so that it will reach a good estimate for the end of the year, and as usual I will adjust anything if any official word comes in.

Re:It's all relative? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574202)

I think the point is that relative to 10 million 360's, it's close. (Or maybe it's closely behind in dollar sales, not in units.)

Nifty (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573526)

Well, it is always fun to see the sales numbers.

I am VERY happy to see NSMB at number 2 (Hey, I am a nintendo fanboy, what can I say). I also am unsurprised (though still disapointed in the general public) to see Madden at #1.

What I AM surprised about is to see the number of Z:TP copies sold for the NGC vs the number sold for the Wii. And if you add the 2 numbers together you end up with it dominating the december market, and coming into the top 10 for the year, and that is cause for much rejocing to me!

Re:Nifty (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573730)

I also am unsurprised (though still disapointed in the general public) to see Madden at #1.

We bought that because the NASCAR, BUD drinking, chicks showing their saggy boobs, game hasn't come out yet. Beleive you me, I'd rather be palying a classier game like the NASCAR one than Madden any day!

--General Public

Re:Nifty (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573744)

I need to pay closer attention to game titles...

I was pretty SOL ASAP with all the accronims I mean WTF!

Re:Nifty (1)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574094)

"(though still disapointed in the general public)"
Why does it disappoint you that people buy and enjoy Madden videogames?

Re:Nifty (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574258)

Buying a Madden isn't a bad thing (hey, if yah like watchign football, I guess it is fun, I admitedly have no interest). However, buying the same game, every year, with NOTHING NEW (aside from better graphics and the new team rosters), makes me sad.

As a side note, this is the same reason why I hate seeing all these FPS games that are simply rehashes of the same ol', same ol' sell so well. I was afraid of this when we saw UT2K3 and UT2K4 (it felt exactly as if UT was turning into madden), however the games were segnificantly different, and more importantly there was not another UT until UT2K7. Only so much can progress in 1 year of time, where decent amount CAN happen in 3 (not saying UT2K7 is any good, as I have not seen much of it yet.)

Re:Nifty (1)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574534)

"However, buying the same game, every year, with NOTHING NEW (aside from better graphics and the new team rosters), makes me sad."
How many Madden games have you owned? There is more in each release than just new rosters. And to fans of the NFL that are looking for a football simulation, those updated rosters are important. Would it be nice if EA released roster updates? Sure - but that's not the way it goes. They've added numerous additions over the years including different play modes, mini-games, individual player career mode, et cetera. I just don't understand why someone would criticize others for buying and enjoying a game. Yes, I buy Madden. Not every year but often enough. Why do you care so much?

"As a side note, this is the same reason why I hate seeing all these FPS games that are simply rehashes of the same ol', same ol' sell so well. I was afraid of this when we saw UT2K3 and UT2K4 (it felt exactly as if UT was turning into madden), however the games were segnificantly different, and more importantly there was not another UT until UT2K7. Only so much can progress in 1 year of time, where decent amount CAN happen in 3 (not saying UT2K7 is any good, as I have not seen much of it yet.)"
What metric are you using to measure "difference" and how have you determined that UT2K3 and UT2K4 have higher ratings than Madden 03 and Madden 04? Where is the list of features that are different between Madden 03 and Madden 04? Certainly you must be able to list off the differences if you're so sure that it's such a small list.

BTW: You spelled "significantly" incorrectly.

Re:Nifty (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574174)

Sports games sell a LOT differently than other games. Sports gamers buy the game when it first comes out, and that's it. Buy-back prices suck because stores know they won't be able to resell the used game anyhow. Sports gamers just don't buy used games.

Why?

I'm not a sports gamer, but I imagine it's because they know in less than a year, the next version of the same game will be out and if you missed the launch of the game by 6 months, you can probably just wait 6 more for next year's better version and save some money. (Since you'd probably buy next year's anyhow.)

It isn't the same with other genres. You never know if there's going to be a sequel, and the sequels usually aren't better. So if you missed the launch of the game, 6 months later you'll just buy it used and save a bunch of money. Even an announced sequel to the game won't necessarily make you wait, as sequels suck and it could be 3 years before that sequel comes out. (Duke Nukem Forever, anyone?)

Re:Nifty (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574368)

I know, thus why I was not suprised. I am disapointed b/c the Madden games really do not evolve much between years. Yah, if you look at it over a 3 or 5 year delay then you get a decent evoloution (I think, as I stay away from them mostly, just catch a few screen shots when ever the new one is about to come out). So why do you have to buy the new one each friken year? Do you have to have the exact uptodate team rosters and player stats (hell, you can program those in with most of the newer ones)? Are the graphics that much better (no)? Are the pointless features that they add in just to get you to buy the game actualy good?

Meh.

I am relatively incensed about this currently (more so then usual) because I am thinking of picking up a PS2+Games off of ebay, however I keep on seeing people with lists that look like "Madden '97, madden '98, madden '99, NHL '02, NHL '03, NHL '04".

Re:Nifty (2, Insightful)

The PS3 Will Fail (998952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575300)

"Are the pointless features that they add in just to get you to buy the game actualy good?"
If you don't enjoy the games in the first place, why is it that you think you're a good judge of whether the additional content is enjoyable?

Re:Nifty (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575502)

I am VERY happy to see NSMB at number 2 (Hey, I am a nintendo fanboy, what can I say). I also am unsurprised (though still disapointed in the general public) to see Madden at #1.

Heh, I don't care since I don't own a DS, but you never know I may get one. Anyway, nothing wrong with Madden, especially if you don't already own a football game. I found it interesting that my friend, who isn't a gamer and is not into football at all, seemed quite interested in Madden after seeing it at a friends house. Personally I agree with him that football is a good basis for a video game. Picking plays and strategizing is rather fun. Not that I intend to buy it.

What I AM surprised about is to see the number of Z:TP copies sold for the NGC vs the number sold for the Wii. And if you add the 2 numbers together you end up with it dominating the december market, and coming into the top 10 for the year, and that is cause for much rejocing to me!

Yeah, I couldn't help but notice that the 'across all platforms for December' didn't include Z:TP which would have been 2nd or 3rd place behind Madden and maybe Call of Duty depending on rounding. I also find it odd that only half the people which bought a Wii bought Z:TP, but that's probably just because to me Nintendo console == the console you buy to play Zelda.

Gears of War sales? (4, Interesting)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573536)

Madden topped the chart with 2.8 Million in sales for the PS2 version of Madden 07. Right behind was New Super Mario Bros. on the DS, with some 2 Million in sales of its own
Where does Gears of War fit into this? The statistics I've read said it had sold 2.7 million copies as of Jan 2nd. Unless Gears sold over 700,000 copies in the first two days of the year, it would appear that these statistics are at least somewhat off.

Re:Gears of War sales? (4, Informative)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573760)

Raw #s:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13769 3 [neogaf.com]

Bottom line is that Gears of War was the best selling game of December, at 815,000 copies. It was #3 for the year with 1.8 million sales (following Madden 07 for the PS2 @ 2.8 million and New Super Mario Bros for the DS at 2 million).

It was #5 for all titles in December (the "All Titles" category lumps all versions of a single game together.. for instance, Madden 07 sales include sales on the PS2, PS3, 360, XBox, etc).

Re:Gears of War sales? (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574032)

Ahh, suppose I fell for the old "shipped vs sold" trick.

Re:Gears of War sales? (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573796)

It was the top seller in Dec apparently with 815.7 K sales and 1.8 M sales since its release in Nov.

What you mean ... (-1, Flamebait)

SpeedyRich (754676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573546)

Is that Nintendo sold [b]all[/b] their Wiis. Sony sold [b]all[/b] their PS3s. Microsoft didn't sell all their XBox360s. Go on, Zonk. Say it. Say it! Microsoft ... are ... losing ... the ... nextgen ... battle ... ALREADY.

Re:What you mean ... (3, Informative)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573660)

Well that's just the thing, Sony DIDN'T sell all their PS3s. It's quite trivial to get on in the US now.

Re:What you mean ... (2, Insightful)

gravesb (967413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573706)

Its not really fair to make any comparison right now. Until all produces can ship to meet or exceed demand, its impossible to make any kind of accurate comparison. Also, initial success doesn't necessarily mean long term success. The WII may appeal to people now because its unique, but it has to show that its control scheme is more than just a gimmick to hold onto its appeal. I certainly hope that it does, as it would encourage more innovation in general, but its far to early to crown a champion, or even a leader, at this point. Wait until at least next Jan, if not the year after that.

Re:What you mean ... (1)

Shiptar (792005) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573852)

I think the point was that Sony has already shipped to meet demand. That's why PS3s are sitting on store shelves.

Which is kind of silly, because as of last night there were a plethora of sub $600 PS3's with receipts for sale on ebay. Some for like 500 bucks. Not a bad deal.

Re:What you mean ... (1)

gravesb (967413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574072)

Very good point, but it talks about some of the error in numbers. I wonder where those errors come from, and if the scarcity is artificially limited. Also, all three have features that haven't really caught on, such as Blu-Ray movies for the PS3, the full library of classic games for the WII, and Halo 3 for the Xbox360. There is still too many unknowns to make a decent prediction.

Re:What you mean ... (1)

ipooptoomuch (808091) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573710)

It's okay because as soon as they realize it Bill Gates will be like "OH $%*#, QUICK, SHOVE 10 BILLION DOLLARS INTO IT" Xbox 360's will be $300 and all will be well :D.

Re:What you mean ... (4, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573846)

ummm

Disclaimer: I am a nintendo Fan, however I will try to stay unbiased.

1.1Mill Xboxen sold in Dec (just dec, remember, both the PS3 and Wii were launched in Nov) says that they trounced the PS3. However (yes, you can see the glee in this Nintendo fanboy's eyes) the Wii is giving the 360 a run for its money with 1.1mill units sold in Nov/Dec.

Also that says the Wii's launch sales trounce the 360's, however you do have to remember that the 360 had a HORRIBLE launch when it came to product avalability, where the Wii is having an abundance of production (though they still sell out).

My prediciton?
Unless Sony pulls their act together (gets some GREAT games out FAST), it is goign to be a running war between the 360 and the Wii. Also I am willing to bet we will see Wii on shelves faster then we did for the 360, but simply b/c their production is going much better then the 360 did at launch.

Re:What you mean ... (3, Interesting)

Frostclaw (1006995) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573942)

Funny, while I was hunting down a Wii before Christmas I found DOZENS of PS3's in the city (Saint John, NB, Canada) and that trend still continues. I finally stumbled on a Wii a week after the new year, and have yet to see one since.

Re:What you mean ... (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573990)

You realize that by outselling the Wii in both months since it has been available, the 360 has a larger raw numerical lead now than it did before the Wii came out.

Re:What you mean ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574410)

As Wii production increases it should catch up with the 360. A good chunk of the 360's holiday sales were simply because it was easier to find than the Wii or PS3 so people used it as a substitute.

Re:What you mean ... (4, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575070)

Okay, put down the Sony-brand crack pipe which only smokes Sony-brand proprietary crack.

If what you're after is marketshare, then selling out is irrelevent if the number of units you sold was not enough to get you the marketshare you needed. If I had one Burke-brand computer to sell, and someone bought it, could I claim Dell, who still has ample supplies, was losing to my hot seller?

Microsoft selling 1.1 million units without selling out is a good thing, as it means their production is ample and there is still strong demand for the console. At over 10mil units sold, they have a substantial lead in the console wars, giving them all-important momentum. There is no rational way to say that Microsoft isn't winning right now.

Wii had decent production, but the fact that they sold 1.1 million consoles and were sold out is a bad thing, as it means more people wanted to buy the Wii but couldn't, artificially limiting their market share. Each console they produce now is going to satisfy the backlog -- I have a couple family members whose Christmas present was "the promise of a Wii when we can get one". While this means in the longer term they have decent potential marketshare, they're still stuck way behind Microsoft and they are not going to be able to catch up any time soon as production continues to limit sales. Though at least they sold more than Sony.

Sony had terrible production, and sold fewer consoles than everyone else. Being sold out is a bad thing as they are now in 3rd place. Unless their production suddenly shifts into impossible-mega-drive to make up the extra 500,000 units they didn't have to sell this Christmas, their position in 3rd place is solidified through most of 2007. The worst news for Sony, though, is the reports that they aren't sold out any longer and PS3s are sitting on shelves, meaning there weren't enough "we'll buy one as soon as it becomes available" to take up the new production and help them make up lost ground. There could be a lot of reasons -- though only Sony-brand crack could make you believe that price wasn't a major one -- but if this trend continues and Sony doesn't do something, then you're looking at the loser of this generation. Certainly, as of right now, they are behind.

I buy all consoles ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17575454)

... so if I have a bias (and I'm sure that I do), then it's not a very large one.

The way I see it is this: if there are no Wiis nor PS3s on the shelves (and they've both been out of stock every time that I've popped into any of the towns around here), then there is only one new-gen console that people can easily buy, and that's the 360.

For being able to maintain such good stock levels throughout Xmas, MS deserves congratulations.

But on the other hand, this also means that they cannot claim that they sold their large number of 360s on pure merit. If the other two consoles had also been well stocked, MS's sales figures would undoubtedly have been substantially smaller.

Re:What you mean ... (1)

CaffCoder (1045308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575504)

Thats nonsense. The 360 has been out longer. Its a proven console, and it has a larger market penetration (more consoles in homes than the wii or the ps3). Knowing this as a game dev or publisher you can see there is very little risk to doing a title on the 360. And there are lots of good titles on the 360 currently whereas on the ps3 for instance I haven't seen anything worth shaking a 650$ stick at. Plus if you own the 360 and another console you might be more inclined to get the 360 version because you can earn achievment points.

I wouldnt say they are loosing the console war I'd say they are slowly gaining ground against nearly everyone who thinks they should just fail.

I'm not a huge MS fanboy I'm just stating the facts as I see em.

Analyst concerns (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573562)

From the article:
Analysts were also skeptical, with some believing that the Wii sold more than NPD reported. "I don't understand how US Wii sell-through could be 1.1 million cumulatively, with Nintendo saying that they shipped half of their 4 million here and zero inventory on retail shelves at year end," said Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter. "Where are the other 900,000 units? I assume 200,000 are in transit, but this number makes no sense to me at all."

If the 1.1 million figure was just December, then it would make more sense. But 1.1 million since launch? That seems incredibly low no matter which way you cut it.

(Of course, that probably means that the PS3 and Xbox360 numbers are low as well.)

Re:Analyst concerns (1)

wframe9109 (899486) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574768)

I don't know how many stores are not included, but... Best Buy is one of them. I'm sure there were others. The numbers across the board are probably higher for each, perhaps with similar ratios...

"Don't feel too bad for Microsoft, though." (2, Funny)

Half a dent (952274) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573566)

Uh... ok I'll try not to.

Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (3, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573568)

The XBox 360 is a much, much better system already than the XBox ever was in terms of game library. Gears of War, 99 Nights, Quake 4, Enchanted Arms, Phantasy Star Online, Dead Rising and with games like Halo 3 and Lost Planet on the horizon for 2007, Sony faces a much tougher challenge. If Microsoft has already hit 10,000,000 units sold and is still climbing, as I suspect they are, it's probably only a matter of time before Square-Enix gets antsy and starts to think about Final Fantasy 13 and other games appearing on the XBox 360 and Wii.

I would expect 2007 to be the year that Sony finally gets its ass handed to it by Microsoft and Nintendo starts to return to its old status as a force unto itself in game production.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (-1, Flamebait)

SpeedyRich (754676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573656)

If you say so, fanboy. On the other hand, Sony have a better console. They have more studios developing for them. Heavenly Sword, MGS4 et al aren't even out yet. More studios are producing Bluray content than HDDVD. You're not Zonk, are you?

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573998)

If you say so, fanboy. On the other hand, Sony have a better console. They have more studios developing for them. Heavenly Sword, MGS4 et al aren't even out yet. More studios are producing Bluray content than HDDVD. You're not Zonk, are you?

Better console how?

From a theoritical processing power standpoint? Possibly, but that does not define a better console. As anyone can tell you 'Its the games, Stupid!' that determine which console is truely the best. Now, many developers were supporting the PS3 pretty heavily, but there seems to be a disproportionate readjustment of resources; for example consider what Konami's upcomming games were at the Tokyo Game Show:

  • PS3
  • Gradius series
  • Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball
  • Coded Arms Assault
  • Pro Baseball Spirits series
  • Metal Gear Solid 4
  • World Soccer Winning Eleven series
  • New Action Game
  • New RPG
  • Wii
  • Soccer game
  • Baseball game
  • New Action Adventure game
  • Music Simulation game
  • New Action Adventure Game 2
  • New RPG


To what it is now (they recently announced the cancelation of 4 PS3 games and 2 Wii games)

  • PS3
  • Pro Baseball Spirits series
  • Metal Gear Solid 4
  • World Soccer Winning Eleven series
  • Wii
  • Soccer game
  • Baseball game
  • New Action Adventure game
  • Music Simulation game


As you read press releases there seems to be a pattern that the Number of exclusive PS3 games is disapearing at a rapid rate by being canceled or ported to another platform; this could just be random chance but there are tons of rumors that the biggest question at this years' E3 and TGS will be "Where is the PS3?"

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574160)

MGS4 = franchise - but probably a good game ultimately. Heavenly sword... looks awesome, doesn't it? Not much else we know about it. Also, the pr0n industry has chosen HD-DVD, which EVERYONE knows, of course, that BluRay has lost now ;-)

I fail a bit to see what this has to do with BluRay vs. HD-DVD that much. Yeah, the system allow playing the two different media (360 = HD-DVD w/available add-on; PS3 = out of the box), but I'm not convinced that the reason people bought one of these system was the ability (or potential ability) to play certain new types of HD Optical Media (I'm sure it was on some consumer's lists of reasons, but how many really?).

Why is Sony a better console? I mean I'm sure it is a fine console and performs it's job well, once developers get a feel for it development kit and wrangling the power of the Cell... but still, what makes it better than a 360? (I would also ask the 360 crowd the same question... FIGHT!)

If all you got is MGS4 (yes, I would love to play it, but CERTAINLY NOT for 560-650 dollars!), this Heavenly Sword thingy (yes, I have seen video, *looks* very nice... that's all *I* know about it), and BluRay making it "better", then I would say, at best, and perhaps subjectively, it would be *marginally* better, if at all.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575496)

Why is Sony a better console? I mean I'm sure it is a fine console and performs it's job well, once developers get a feel for it development kit and wrangling the power of the Cell... but still, what makes it better than a 360? (I would also ask the 360 crowd the same question... FIGHT!)
I agree that the PS3 is a fine console, and that it does have a lot of potential, but as far as I'm concerned potential is synonymous with hopes and dreams... I own all 4 consoles from the last generation, I own the big 3 from the generation before that. And I currently own a 360 and a Wii. At some point or another I end up buying most consoles, but I never buy them before such a point where the gaming experience is worth more then the price of admission (console+necessary accessories+games). I didn't buy my Xbox 1 until the controller S came out (the games were there at launch but I hated the controller), I didn't buy my PS2 until Gran Turismo 3, I didn't buy a Gamecube until Resident Evil 4. I bought both my Xbox 360 and Wii at their respective launches. I considered the Xbox 360 to be somewhat over priced, however hooking it up to my HDTV I needed ZERO accessories out of the box to get the gaming experince I was looking for, and it had a number of games I wanted, not just one or two: PGR3, Condemned, COD2, and DOA4. With 4 solid titles that I considered "need to have" games and all of the accessories I needed in the box (hd cables, headset, wireless controller) I bought it. The Wii only had Wii Sports and Zelda that I was interested in (though some titles like Trauma Center, Elebits, and Red Steel seemed worth a try as well), it also required me to purchase some $30 component cables, but the overall cost was still fairly low, which made it worth the price of admission. As of right now the PS3 has a net ZERO games that I have interest in playing, I'm sure Resistance is a decent game but nothing about it really excites me, the rest of the launch line up I either already have access to on the Xbox 360 or just doesn't look very fun. Not to mention the net cost is quite substantial... not just the price of the console but I'd also need to purchase some component video cables to connect it to my TV (since they're not included for whatever reason), as well as a bluetooth head-set for online play (which can also be fairly pricey).

Maybe I'll buy a PS3 down the road, but I don't buy things based on potential, I buy things based on what's tangible or within reach at the time of purchase. MGS4 might be a good game, maybe it wont be. I'm not going to spend $500+ now for the hopes and dreams that good games will eventually arrive. Many children have potential, even those of a proven pedigree... but not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.

What make the 360 better then the PS3? For me it is first and foremost TANGIBLE RESULTS. I have close to 20 games for the console already, some new classics that I'm sure to return to many years from now, I have an online system that is really good RIGHT NOW, as opposed to something that just shows promise. I have an achievement system that has let me get more replay ability and ultimately more enjoyment out of every title I own.... PS3 might have potential but I wont buy one until it's got something I can use.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

stikves (127823) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575520)

Why is 360 better for developers?

I can't tell much. I'm not a game developer. But John Carmack did a recent interview and told why: summary here [arstechnica.com]

I guess it means something.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17575012)

If they don't get more consoles into homes, you're going to see all of the studios without contractual obligations back out of their PS3 exclusives. Of course, the exclusives that are already set in stone should help sell some more PS3s, but I'm not sure how many. After all, how many people are going to pay $560 or $660 because they want to play a certain game?

Damning with faint praise? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573822)

The XBox 360 is a much, much better system already than the XBox ever was in terms of game library.

Uh... well, yeah. And a PS3 costs less than the Cullinan diamond.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573880)

The XBox had the great advantage of being able to run lots of the games created for the PC. Is the XBox360 better than the old XBox? Probably it is, but the XBox had a pretty good library of games on its own.

The X360 is attractring the critical RPG element (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574188)

I bought an X360 initially for Oblivion, and wound up also buying my first FPS (Prey) in many years, but I'm still a big RPG/platformer head. The outlook for RPGs on the X360 is really quite good. More than a few of us RPG fans would like to see the FF series go cross platform. If Blue Dragon, with its FF based pedigree, does well on the X360, Square-Enix will have to factor that in. From what I have read Blue Dragon has single handedly sold a hefty number of X360s in *Japan*.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574404)

I would expect 2007 to be the year that Sony finally gets its ass handed to it by Microsoft and Nintendo starts to return to its old status as a force unto itself in game production.

You want to see a force unto itself? Take a look at the Japanese software sales for the first week off 2007! [gamesarefun.com] Nintendo has 10 our of the top 10 titles, 18 out of the top 20, and 24 out of the top 30. If you look at titles actually published by Nintendo itself it's 9/10, 15/20, and 20/30. The only bad news for Nintendo there is that some developers might be reluctant to develop for systems that are so clearly dominated by a single publisher.

Re:Sony faces a formidible challenge this time (1)

jam244 (701505) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576362)

games like Halo 3 and Lost Planet on the horizon for 2007
FYI, Lost Planet [wikipedia.org] was released today [lostplanetcommunity.com] .

Sounds like world of warcraft got boring in 2006? (2, Funny)

guysmilee (720583) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573578)

Sounds like world of warcraft got boring in 2006?

Re:Sounds like world of warcraft got boring in 200 (2, Insightful)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573700)

Well, they did reach the 8 million subscriber mark http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml [blizzard.com] and have their first expansion coming out next week, which a good percent of those 8 mil will buy. I imagine Blizzard is fairly comfortable with their financial situation right now.

Re:Sounds like world of warcraft got boring in 200 (1)

jfodale (1032534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575396)

I imagine Blizzard is fairly comfortable with their financial situation for the next 10 years.

Re:Sounds like world of warcraft got boring in 200 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574084)

FWIW, assuming 7 million people are still playing WoW, at the cheapest you can pay per month (~$12), Blizzard made over $1,000,000,000 on subscriptions alone. This doesn't include new people purchasing the game, paying for transfers, etc. Yeah I would say they had a successful 2006...

Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were online (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573588)

retailers. For instance, amazon.com it seems got screwed when it came to its wii allotment. I can't find one online retailer that is selling either the wii or ps3 at retail(the ones above retail are "used" for instance on amazon). It seems like both Sony and Nintendo passed them up to go with brick and mortar stores.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573856)

Easy, because online allotments don't make for crowds and lines and tickets and general mayhem which yeilds free publicity on the local news stations. Nintendo wasn't going to let Sony get all the free publicity due to their poor production rates.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

ThomsonsPier (988872) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574048)

amazon.com it seems got screwed when it came to its wii allotment.

Ah, there you go, then. They need to get them from Nintendo, not try to grow them on an allotment.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

MirthScout (247854) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574078)

I don't know about PS3s since I see them in stores everywhere but...

I can't detect any unfairness in allocation of Wii consoles since they are equally hard to find at brick and mortar stores as they are hard to find online. I'd been trying to find a Wii console since mid-December and finally got one locally at Circuit City only because I used http://www.itrackr.com/ [itrackr.com] to notify me when some arrived (they were sold out again in less than 2 hours; probably less than 10 units).

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574106)

Here yah go [circuitcity.com]

PS3 for $599.99

ATM no one seems to have the Wii instock (a few places had them as late as yesterday, but only game bundles).

If you are tryign to track down systems then:
buy wii, from techbargains [techbargains.com]
buy PS3, from techbargains [techbargains.com]
Wii Tracker [wiitracker.com]
PS3 Finder [ps3finder.com] (same people as wii tracker)

enjoy.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

damiangerous (218679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575198)

Circuit City had Wiis in stock this morning briefly online. They also had them in store, the one nearest me was showing as available for about an hour.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574440)

Well I bought 2 wiis (one for someone else), one not much before Christmas by ringing a store exactly as the delivery arrived and then getting there in time, and one on amazon.co.uk on December 22nd which was delivered on December 23rd (yes, the Saturday before Christmas).

I don't see what people are complaining about, I had no trouble getting any before Christmas, and I didn't pre-order either. I guess you just need to know where to look and be lucky. Though both wii play and extra nunchuks were sold out at the time.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574842)

Wait, Wii Play is out in the UK? DAMN YOU!!!! (If you have gotten a copy of it, how is it?)

However you are right. If you REALLY want a Wii it isn't that hard, just requires persistance. One of the easiest ways is to find out when a store is gettign a shipment and camp the fark out (I have 3 friends that did this, and thus have 3 Wiis). I am to lazy to do this and thus still have no Wii, however I am patient and will simply buy them once they are redaliy avaliable (I predict a month or 2). Admitedly, if I get lucky and get a chance to buy one I will ofcourse snap it up in an instant.

Re:Anecdotal but it seems like the losers were onl (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575554)

Wii Play: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wii-Play-Wiimote-controlle r/dp/B000INYT0G/sr=8-1/qid=1168620977/ref=pd_ka_1/ 202-6446174-2571802?ie=UTF8&s=videogames [amazon.co.uk]

Availability: In Stock

There's a great review covering all the games on wii play on there too.

The real news - PS2 sales (3, Insightful)

RichPowers (998637) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573680)

The PlayStation 2 sold 1.4 million units in December. The PS2 has a great library of games (many of them discounted) and there are still plenty of new releases to look forward to (Rogue Galaxy comes to mind). The Interweb is full of all these geek debates about PS3 vs. Wii (and they are fun, don't get me wrong), but the PS2's success is do, in part, to its vast game selection. That, IMHO, will always be more important than tech specs. Hopefully, though, the new consoles will have a more robust game selection in the coming months.

Re:The real news - PS2 sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574216)

The PlayStation 2 sold 1.4 million units in December. The PS2 has a great library of games (many of them discounted) and there are still plenty of new releases to look forward to (Rogue Galaxy comes to mind). The Interweb is full of all these geek debates about PS3 vs. Wii (and they are fun, don't get me wrong), but the PS2's success is do, in part, to its vast game selection. That, IMHO, will always be more important than tech specs. Hopefully, though, the new consoles will have a more robust game selection in the coming months.

This may sound unconventional, but a friend of mine suggested in October that the PS3 was going to 'fail' in this generation mainly because of how popular the PS2 still is. His thought was that everyone who owned a XBox or Gamecube would likely be looking to upgrade their system over the next 12 months (or so) because their existing system has no games being released for it, whereas PS2 owners will feel perfectly comfortable sticking with their PS2 because it has the most high quality games being released for it; a large portion of the PS3's potential userbase will wait out the current price and lack of quality games because there is no pressure to upgrade.

Basically, he thinks that after the Gamecube and XBox fans buy Wii and XBox 360 systems these systems will have such a lead in sales that developers will be focusing their efforts on these systems and ignoring the PS3; thus as people start upgrading their PS2 they will (likely) choose one of the other systems because it will have a larger library of high quality games.

Re:The real news - PS2 sales (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574590)

Your friend is only partialy correct. The blatent fanboys (who will refuse to switch companies) might stick with the PS2 over the PS3, and will upgrade theri system or the other 2.

The problem is that the large majority of gamers are not fanboys (they are the quite majority because the raving loony fanboys are the VERY vocal minority).

I am a Nintendo fanboy (though not a raving loony) and will thus be gettign a Wii, however I am also looking to pick up a PS2 this time around (I have been rather broke for the past few years, but have recently gained a decent paying job) because of all the thigns your friend said. A HUGE number of top rate games, many of them discounted (either via the "Classics" system or used), and some new games STILL being developed! (hell, the line up of games being released from the holiday season through this year is BETTER on the PS2 then on the PS3).

I blame this on the pirates (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573872)

Always those pirates destroying for the industry! If there wouldn't have been all these pirates that downloaded all the games and broke the DRM on all the consoles, the industry wouldn't have this loss!

Oh wait.. "Record breaking" you say? Well, without the pirates they would have broken the record even better!

Re:I blame this on the pirates (1)

Thanatos69 (993924) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574304)

They will spin it into a great win for DRM, if it weren't for DRM there never would have been a record.....

Re:I blame this on the pirates (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574458)

http://www.plocp.com/images/vista_MG_3800.jpg [plocp.com]

seeing as ps2 games where going for 200->300 peso (2-3$)in mexico right next to the PC software, I'd say piracy is alive and well.

I had my doubts but after traveling abroad a lot this year (armenia and central america), I'd say piracy is actually a more significant concern than I'd previously though.

MS lost 2006 because of 2005 sales numbers? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17573928)

" On the console side of things ... well, as Kotaku points out 'everyone is a winner' this year. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have all put out press releases declaring themselves the winner of the Holiday console wars. The sad reality, though, is there can be only one. According to the NPD numbers, between the launch of the new consoles and the end of the year, some 1.1 Million Nintendo Wiis were sold with 687,300 PS3s following closely behind. Microsoft trails with its numbers from 2005"

OK, so Microsoft lost the war for total number of sales this year because of sales figures from 2005? You quote "'everyone is a winner' this year" and then "The sad reality, though, is ther can be only one".

OK, so everyone is claiming to be the winner , but obviously everyone can't be the winner.

Then you say MS came in last because of sales figures from 2005?

That's like saying "I'm sorry, you lost the baseball game even though you scored more points in this game, because last week you scored less than the team you played today".

I hope this isn't the same brain and logic you use to code with.

No, they lost 'new console launches' (4, Interesting)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576092)

Measured in each of the three consoles' respective launch windows, the Wii sold more than any of the others, as in they had the best launch. The game spot article titled "Wii tops new console launches" makes this clear.

Of course all of them were production limited initially, so all this by itself really means is that Nintendo had the best pre-launch manufacturing story. Now I guarantee you this wasn't an accident, and manufacturability was a major consideration in the Wii's design. Still it doesn't tell the story of right now, which is that the 360 is way ahead, thanks to the whole year they had to fix their production problems and sell consoles with no next-gen competition.

Speaking of, I am once again boggled at the Sony fanbois who use the PS1 and PS2 as proof that PS3 will dominate Nintendo and MS, but forget about that all-important year lead time PS1 had on N64 and PS2 had on Xbox and GC. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Sony is starting this generation as the marketshare underdog.

Finally. (1)

Rendo (918276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17573934)

At least /. can put it in perspective. Comparing launch dates, Wii comes out on top. Compare the holiday sales, yes the 360 had MORE sales, but you need to remember... How many 360's were collecting dust on shelves BEFORE the Wii and PS3 were even released? What console currently remains sold out and has a grey market on ebay still? What consoles sit on shelves to this day now, even with a recent launch? Real winner? We know who it is.

This misses subscription services such as WoW? (3, Interesting)

Hays (409837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574026)

World of Warcraft has 8million players. If they all pay 15 dollars a month (and I don't know that they do, because I don't know the fees in other countries) then that's 1.44 Billion dollars.

I'm not sure I see any PC games in the lists in the article, actually.

Re:This misses subscription services such as WoW? (1)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574428)

WoW has 8 million players true, but around half of them are in AsiaPac where the pricing model is completely different. We also don't know whether the 8 million figures are active subs or not. I personally have 2 accounts that have lapsed, do those count towards the 8 mill or not?

Re:This misses subscription services such as WoW? (1)

AliasTheRoot (171859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574466)

Meh didn't read the press release, they count only active subs. I'll be one of those reactivating my account soon with the release of BC. I guess those subs figures will surge a fair bit - availability of the expansion is going to be interesting.

Re:This misses subscription services such as WoW? (2, Interesting)

jfodale (1032534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575572)

Even if only 2 million of those subscribers were paying the $15/month model, they are still making plenty of money to appear on this list somewhere. Does the "games industry" no longer include PC games?

Re:This misses subscription services such as WoW? (1)

Hays (409837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575724)

Even if only 2 million of those subscribers were paying the $15/month model, they are still making plenty of money to appear on this list somewhere. Does the "games industry" no longer include PC games?

Exactly what I was wondering. Pretty sad if true.

Re:This misses subscription services such as WoW? (1)

Archie Gremlin (814342) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575728)

The numbers in TFA do not include "sales of PC games, PC game subscriptions, or downloaded content" and only apply to the US market.

I've found it surprisingly hard to find estimates for the size of the PC games market or figures for what PC games sell well. This makes it more or less impossible to compare the PC and console markets. I'm beginning to wonder whether why.

cheers,
Archie

I'm a Mac head and Windows hater, but (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574058)

they've done a nice job on the X360. The online stuff is trouble free and the games have been good. I'm *still* mucking about with Oblivion. It's nice to finally have downloadable content for consoles.

Wii and PS3 sold a lot of XB360s in December (1)

dtjohnson (102237) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574110)

A lot of people bought xb360 in December because there were no wii or ps3 systems to buy and they got ticked off and bought an xb360 just to get a nextgen console. Even today, there are no wii or ps3 systems in most places. And don't even think about buying accessories like a second wiimote.

Re:Wii and PS3 sold a lot of XB360s in December (1)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574680)

That's like saying a lot of people bought PS2's because they couldn't find Dreamcasts for sale anywhere. I doubt people "settled" for a $500 Xbox, +$60 for Gears, +45 for extra controller +$15 for recharge pack. They probably just kept looking for a Wii if they really wanted one. I didn't , I wanted an Xbox especially after I saw what it could do. Also, I've seen the PS3 in action, its online "service" doesn't even exist. Are they kidding ? Maybe they will get a few bones on decent games but thats about it. The Wii is fun also, but not for serious gaming or anything online related.

Is it just me? (1)

silentounce (1004459) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574114)

Someone a little trigger happy on the topic selection? I'd rather not have icons over the first comment when I'm trying to read it. Where can I mod the topic as -1 Redundant?

The real race starts (2, Interesting)

shirizaki (994008) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574152)

Initial release is nothing but the adrenaline rush. It's now up to developers to make quality games that take proper advantage of the hardware and for the hardware people to keep up production quality.

To that effect, if the Wii doesn't get unique games (instead of the same games on other systems with enhanced controlling schemes), the Wii might end up being the loser. Waving a remote might sound awesome for the next few months, but then people will realize that other games treat the Wii as a gimmick instead of a real console.

Microsoft has to ensure proper Live maintenance, and try to bring the price down. If either the PS3 or Wii picks up online steam, people will question their $50 a year charge just to play online. MS might just try to float with just Halo 3 as it's flagship, but there might just be a point and time when FPS gets tiring. Then what's left?

Sony has their work cut out for them. Thankfully, I don't hear about consoles keeling over, so they got 1 thing right this launch with no consoles just dying. Now they just need to work on their online segemnt, especially if their deal with xfire leads to a centralized friends list like xbox live:http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/316.html. All of the perks of Live witht he fee of free might just have people eat the $500-$600 price tag. Now it's just getting developers to make awesome games for the PS3.

i think we're seeing the death of mass 3rd party console exclusives. Some companies (Capcom) might stay exclusive for a few franchises, but I thnk alot of developers will be multiplatform publishers. The real winner in this generation? Us. Anytime there's heated competition there's been great games (SNESGenesis, PS2Xbox)

Re:The real race starts (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575374)

You hit so many perfect poins about what we have to watch for in the comming year(s).

I fully am with you about On-Line being the real make/break for the systems this time around.

MS has Live down pat, and if it wasn't for the charge (Even though $50 a year isn't THAT bad), I would very likely pick up a 360. They fixed up the system, they have live workign off the bat, they are courting developers and starting to get soem great lookign titles going (that was the killer on the xbox, no good games). They even have realized they need some J-RPGs (and boy have they scored with their first coupple steps into the field). They are still churning out their standard Action games with good online play (hey, it is what they are known for, currently).

Sony still seems to be ignoring On-Line, have lost alot of their exclusives, and alienated alot of devs and players. If they pull together with XFire (especialy if it is linked wither their existing XFire System), and start gettign some good online content going they should be able to pull through. The key ofcourse is that they REALLY need to get Developers back on board, if they don't, well they are dead in the water with a serious lack of games.

Nintendo I am a bit more optomistic about (though I have my wories). They know that online is VERY important. They are already familiar with the field via the NDS WiFi network, and the VC store is already doing great. They already have some great games out and more on the way (including some that look like they could do well in the online field). They need to start gettign a few online games out there, especialy some mass apeal ones (yah, sure, pokemon will sell well, but they need something for older players). I think their best bet for a "Killer App" is Smash Bros. Every one is waiting for it, and an online Smash Bros would be awsome in many people's minds. The other side of the problem is that they NEED to drop the friends code system as well as let you actualy chat with other players. If they don't fix up those 2 issues I could see their online offering (and thus a key point to the next-gen wars) fallign flat for them.

yah, umm, my 2 cents.

10 million worldwide? (4, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574292)

Don't feel too bad for Microsoft, though. They sold 1.1 Million 360s in December. The article points out this means Microsoft met its '10 Million in sales' goal for the end of 2006

According to these NPD numbers [gamesarefun.com] Microsoft has sold a cumulative total of 4.5 million 360s in the US. So if they've hit 10 million they must have sold 5.5 million in the rest of the world. They've sold 200k in Japan [gamesarefun.com] so that would mean 5.3 million split between Europe, Australia and other smaller markets. I had the impression that the US was by far and away Microsoft's strongest market, is there some factor i'm not considering?

2 million Super Mario Bros. (5, Insightful)

jimbob666 (1050308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574356)

2 Million New Super Mario Bros. sales on DS speaks volumes. Games don't need to be over complicated and cost $ millions to produce. Keep it simple yet very playable!

The "console wars" fiasco (4, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#17574632)

Sheeze, can we put this to rest already? It seems that, for the last couple of console generations, all that people care about is who won and who lost. Number of shipped consoles vs. sold ones, launch date numbers, millons invested in advertising, etc. Nevermind the endless drooling over polygons per seconds, CPUs, memory controllers and the works. People live and die by these numbers, claiming that company X is the winner of this generation while company Y is in the brink of bankruptcy.

Come on guys. I can understand (barely) this kind of insaness from fanboy sites, but please, can we move forward? If you like consoles, why do you care beyond which one is more fun to play, or has more games that appeal to you? Do we really have to get into the pissing contest of which one sold an extra 10 units this month? I mean, is it relevant? Is it even interesting? If you like consoles, you have not one, nor two, but three excellent options to chose from, and that's it. I'd like to see more discussion about games rather than units shipped, Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD or whatever is trendy this week.

Re:The "console wars" fiasco (1)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575400)

Maybe if you have $1300 lying around to spend on all three consoles, it doesn't matter to you which one wins. Those of us with a limited gaming budget are very much interested in which console will end up being super-popular and having a huge host of third-party titles to choose from, and which will rot on the shelves and consequently end up in the bargain bin next to the Dreamcasts in six months.

Re:The "console wars" fiasco (2, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#17575492)

Which has nothing to do with units shipped, launch sales, hardware specs and assorted crap. If you want to know which console will be "super popular", wait until the next-next gen consoles are released and pick the one that did the best in the previous one for $50. That's the only sure way.

Re:The "console wars" fiasco (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576288)

Very true, that is the best way to get the most popular console. For those that want to get a good idea of which will carry the most games, the listed information is important. It's not important to you or I, but it is to them. Personally, I'd like to see an interview with Bethesda to find out where the hell Fallout 3 is!

Re:The "console wars" fiasco (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576336)

People need to see these numbers because seeing that a huge portion of the market bought into the same thing as them makes them feel safe about their purchase.

I bought a 360 and I'm happy to see Microsoft have a huge lead on Sony right now becaus this means that over time Japanese are going to develop more for the 360 and I'll be able to have nice japanese RPGs or 'Ninja Gaiden's next to the 'Gears Of War's, 'Halo's and 'Elder Scroll's made by the rest of the world.

The war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17574828)

Well its great to see companies fighting for our dollar does keep the price low. But when you say whos winning the war its sony, Its that bloody PS2 they made it just keeps selling and selling and game well companies have not stopped making games for it...

Its sony true ace in the pocket till the Ps3 production ramps up and better games come out.

But Nintendo is doing great, and once their online archive gets sized up its gonna be Mint.

I look forward to seeing how this Year unfolds

and the 360... meh its their, in its own little world.

Microsoft purchases Capcom? (1)

revelous (1048792) | more than 7 years ago | (#17576074)

Maybe just a rumor at this point...but it would be a very smart move.

You insenskitivCe clod!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17576368)

And she r4n [goat.cx]
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