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Shatner Leaks Trek XI Details

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the shat-man-is-back dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The rumors that the next Star Trek movie would revolve around the earliest missions of Kirk and Spock have been confirmed by William Shatner in a Sci Fi Wire interview. J.J. Abrahms (creator of 'Lost') will direct, and has confirmed that a draft script is completed. So, the question is, will Shatner appear as a reminiscing older Kirk in the beginning, setting up the rest of the movie as a flash-back, or will geriatric-Kirk and young-Kirk meet?"

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Will they meet? (0, Offtopic)

plover (150551) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587586)

or will geriatric-Kirk and young-Kirk meet?

Only as long as | other on opposite
they meet each- | sides of a splice.

Re:Will they meet? (1, Funny)

metlin (258108) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587632)

And... while... thaaat.... conversatiooon... goes on... about.... who's.... e.g..o..... is.... bi.g..g...er...

Spock will stand their with his ears all pointy.

Re:Will they meet? (1)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588600)

|O O O O|O O O O|
|Only as|opposit|
|long as|e sides|
|they   |of a   |
|meet on|splice |
|O O O O|O O O O|

But if not, what I take home from the theatre can make that happen :)

Re:Will they meet? (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588610)

I hope not. I would mind if they move was old Kirk reflecting on his youth, but we don't need another Star Trek Generations.

huh? (0)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587604)

Whos going to play young kirk? Old Kirk? Someone else? God, please dont let it be old footage.

Re:huh? (4, Funny)

shawnap (959909) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587636)

I hope it's old footage, everyone deserves to play opposite their favorite romantic lead at least once.

Re:huh? (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588366)

I guess you missed that little part in Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country with Kirk and the shapeshifter on the Klingon prison world. That was priceless.

Re:huh? (2, Interesting)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587638)

No, no. Of course not. They could computer-generate a perfect replica of what William Shatner looked like when he was 25 and have the model play the part in the movie.

Re:huh? (5, Funny)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587690)

It wouldn't surprise me if Shatner decides no one is qualified to play a young him, demands a massive girdle, a shorter cut toupee and enough makeup to make Tammy Faye Baker blush and announce "I will play the young me!!"

Re:huh? (4, Informative)

Buddy_DoQ (922706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588262)

In X-Men 3, they developed a computer effects algorithm that made Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart look very young. In fact, it was so well done that I reckoned them able to go in and make a new original cast Star Trek film. (With the surviving members anyway, may the fallen RIP.) I also reckoned they could make Ian McKellen (Glandolf) and Ian Holm (Bilbo) look younger in The Hobbit with this technique. (Has anyone seen Sam Lowry?)

Here's a site with side-by-side pictures from x3: http://www.fxguide.com/article357.html [fxguide.com]

Re:huh? (1)

MadUndergrad (950779) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588732)

They really did do a good job with that in X-Men 3. Also, Since Galdalf in that body is thousands of years old, I don't think they need computer effects there. I doubt Ian McKellen will have visibly aged much in the gap between the making of LotR and the Hobbit.

Re:huh? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588758)

If you read that article that you linked to, you will realize that they didn't use computer algorithms to perform the de-aging, but they used compositing and touch up programs and did much of the work by hand.

Re:huh? (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588320)

Actually he's demanding Mat Damon play his body and use face replacement technology ALA Lord of the Rings so he can play the face. They are working to improve hair replacement technology so they can match the toupee he used in the original series. With all the aging stars in Hollywood wrinkle removal technology is already pretty advanced.

Re:huh? (1)

Battleloser (995141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588332)

No no no, we can work with him as is. Just have him fly into a nebula full of gyrostapic whatchamacallit gases that reverses the polarity of the deflector array, resulting in a time bubble that artificially ages everyone on board the Enterprise.

Re:huh? (4, Funny)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587698)

Whos going to play young kirk? Old Kirk?

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! [ytmnd.com]

(I love the shattering glass sound effect. Quality stuff :)

Re:huh? (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587872)

Dude, you made coffee come out my nose!

Thank you for posting such a funny link.

Re:huh? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587912)

That would have been so much better as a Youtube video.

Re:huh? (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587900)

Thus spoke The Shat, "If Harrison Ford can do it, so can I dammit!"

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588162)

...and Stallone in Rocky and Rambo.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17587980)

Wesley Crusher.

Re:huh? (2, Funny)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587994)

God, please dont let it be old footage.
They tried bringing God into the Trek movies once before...Shatner outwitted him.

CGI (0, Offtopic)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587626)

Can't we just rely on those good old folks from squaresoft and the existing (surviving) voice actors ?
Who needs face actors anymore when a film like Final Fantasy X showed us that voice acting
may be the future ? All in all though.... cool cool cool cool... 43 and still trekkin' !

Damon as Kirk? (3, Funny)

FreeKill (1020271) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587634)

I read here that Matt Damon [slashdot.org] was supposedly cast as the younger Kirk...

Re:Damon as Kirk? (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587810)

Is it just me or is the sci-fi icon seem like he's screaming in terror every time it's a story about a new trek or star wars movie?

see for your self [slashdot.org]

Re:Damon as Kirk? (1)

BillyBlaze (746775) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588082)

It's OK, he's really just a creepy but scientifically-inclined midget.

Re:Damon as Kirk? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588606)

I did not now there would be more Star Trek films, but this is great news as I love Sci-Fi and Star Trek and Matt would be a great actor to play a star role in the film.

Looking forward to its release.

http://www.product-reviews.net/ [product-reviews.net]

Name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17587764)

Kobayashi Maru?

William Shatner no longer belongs in Star Trek.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17587766)

.. and neither does Al Gore.

I, for one, personaly, don't care. (2, Insightful)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587770)

Don't get me wrong, I MAY see it, but I have yet to even see the Nemesis and they want me to take a chance on 11? REALLY?

Don't get me wrong, I might see it. Like the crap that is Pirates of the Caribbean 2, I have to see the next one. One of these days I will see Nemesis. I am a fan of Trek so I am stuck with that.

The one slim hope is the guy (forgot his name) that has been running the series for the last 10 years is not going to be writing it.

Re:I, for one, personaly, don't care. (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588198)

Yeah, that's an awful big chance you're taking. Think what you could do if you just had those two hours and few dollars to spend on something else.

Re:I, for one, personaly, don't care. (4, Insightful)

BobSutan (467781) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588430)

The producers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were tossed off of Trek pretty much indefinitely for how they mishandled Enterprise and the last film. That said, I still don't think this movie is a good move. I think they should let the material rest for a while until the fans actually want more Start Trek. At this point people would rather go without it than see it butchered like it has been over the course of the last decade.

Shatner as Boothby (3, Insightful)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587804)

I reckon he'll cameo as the aging groundskeeper at the academy, Boothby. Everyone knows Boothby's been there for centuries, and he'll probably catch the younger Kirk trying to carve his initials into his prized Elm tree.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587962)

Unfortunately, Picard did meet Boothby in one episode. I can't remember which one, but I do remember that the actor looks nothing like Shatner.

Still, that probably wouldn't stop them. After all, they already recast Zepharim Cochrin, and probably more that I don't know off the top of my head.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588004)

That was in "The First Duty", in which Wesley and his flight got in trouble for performing a risky maneuver and covering it up.

And I'm pretty sure the guy who played Boothby was one of the guys in The Sting. Didn't look a thing like Shatner.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588046)

It was Ray Walston, aka My Favorite Martian (and a million other things).

No, I didn't have to IMDb it. Yes, I am ashamed.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

DocScience4 (795837) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588156)

All true, but perhaps most famous as Mr. Hand in Fast Times...

Re:Shatner as Boothby (3, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588084)

In TNG, he shows up in the episode The First Duty [memory-alpha.org] . In Voyager, he showed up in the episodes In the Flesh [memory-alpha.org] and The Fight [memory-alpha.org] .

The First Duty and In the Flesh were both very good episodes.

Oh, and here's a pic of him. [memory-alpha.org]

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

istewart (463887) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588336)

In all seriousness, though, if this has Kirk and Spock at the Academy, it is 100% guaranteed to feature a scene in which Kirk rigs the Kobayashi Maru simulator.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588390)

In all seriousness, though, if this has Kirk and Spock at the Academy, it is 100% guaranteed to feature a scene in which Kirk rigs the Kobayashi Maru simulator. ...I can't tell if that would be really cool or destroy the mysticism of it.

Re:Shatner as Boothby (1)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588506)

I predict that he survives the simulation by sleeping with the simulated female enemy captain. The instructors at the academy close that loophole, and out of shame ask Kirk to kindly tell people he just cheated.

I really don't care... (3, Funny)

GrumpySimon (707671) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587808)

will Shatner appear as a reminiscing older Kirk in the beginning, setting up the rest of the movie as a flash-back, or will geriatric-Kirk and young-Kirk meet?

I really don't care, as long as it doesn't involve him doing any type of singing [youtube.com] .

Re:I really don't care... (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588096)

Are you kidding? Shatner is gold. He's my favorite musician. The only way I'll go see Star Trek XI is if they make it a musical.

Best Shat jokes? (-1, Offtopic)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587828)

Oh looks like the Shat is leaking.
I hope Star Trek XI is full of Shat.

Anyone else?

Luke.. (2, Funny)

MrPsycho (939714) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587836)

I am your father? Maybe? Young Kirk goes and talks to Shatner who plays his father, with green orion slave girl as mother of course?

Re:Luke.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17587960)

I first read that as "green onion slave girl".


I either need more meds, or fewer.

Re:Luke.. (1)

MrPsycho (939714) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587996)

I first read that as "green onion slave girl".
I, for one, welcome our new salty onion flavored overlords.

But Kirk died in Generations! (2, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587840)

So how can Kirk be any older than he was in that movie?

Re:But Kirk died in Generations! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588586)

Another problem: AFAIK Kirk and Spock first met just before the beginning of the original series. Spock was already a science officer at the Enterprise under Captain Pike, and Kirk took over after the loss of Pike. All this is shown in the TOS episode that was created from parts of the original pilot (where Shatner was not yet in), and it should definitely be canon.

Re:But Kirk died in Generations! (2, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588648)

We're talking about a world where there's warp ships, teleporters, & alien races, & you want to limit our imaginations to somthing as trivial as death ?

Kirk died... (-1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587846)

Didn't Kirk get killed off in Star Trek VII (Generations)?

Re:Kirk died... (1)

Elemenope (905108) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588124)

Not once but TWICE. It was, indeed, sweeter the second time around.

Re:Kirk died... (1)

Tsuki_no_Hikari (1004963) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588698)

Indeed, but XI's going to take place in that few split seconds before he kicks it. Whole life flashing before your eyes kinda thing.

My god it's brilliant. That gives us a new infinite supply of movies based solely around Kirk's memories just before death!

???

Profit!

Against the spirit of Trek (5, Interesting)

melchoir55 (218842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587848)

To me, half of the fun with Star Trek was watching technology develop. From Enterprise NCC-1701 to Enterprise D, to the Defiant and on to Enterprise E and Voyager. The fun for me was watching what the writers did with new starships and how new technology was being implemented. It is the progression of the Star Trek universe that I took pleasure in, at least as much as I took pleasure in the interactions between characters. This is why enterprise was uninteresting to me. I knew where the federation was going to be in a few hundred years, so watching Scott Backula fly around in a starship that a 24th century shuttlecraft could tear apart in combat seemed like a waste of time.

If they had any balls at all they would have gone with the idea of having Captain Riker commanding the Titan in a time when the federation is being systematically destroyed in a major war (ie, the feds are losing). To see the federation being destroyed and fighting for it's life by spiting out warships would have been interesting to me. Watching a film about how kirk and spock originally fell in love is not. I'll probably see 11, but only at a friends house where it's on and I don't have a choice.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587976)

If they had any balls at all they would have gone with the idea of having Captain Riker commanding the Titan in a time when the federation is being systematically destroyed in a major war (ie, the feds are losing). To see the federation being destroyed and fighting for it's life by spiting out warships would have been interesting to me.

It would have also permanently killed the series. The good Star Trek has always been a platform for commentary about everything from the human condition to modern politics. Since I sincerely doubt that anyone today can identify with a "major war" (which would be something along the lines of a WWII scenario IN SPACE!), the commentary aspect of Star Trek would be completely lost. In addition, it would further destroy Roddenberry's vision of a better tomorrow.

The end result is that you'd get Yet Another Action Show(TM) that's all fluff and no substance.

If you really want a good TV show about "major war", get the networks to reboot Space: Above and Beyond.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (0, Troll)

PresidentEnder (849024) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588042)

One could have the Borg as a metaphor for a modern United States. Just a thought.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588178)

One could have the Borg as a metaphor for a modern United States.

See, I always saw the Klingons as metaphors for the Russian/Communist threat, the Romulans as a metaphor for espionage, and the Borg as a metaphor for socialism.

Each fits surprisingly well. In the original series, the Klingons were the major threat, but were held at bay by tenuous treaties like the Organian Peace Treaty. When NextGen came along, it reflected how Russia was no longer a threat to world peace and even suggested cooporation between the peoples. Which was rather earth shattering at a time when Russians were mostly portrayed in movies as arrogant and ultra-competitive. Yet today, it's kind of hard to think of that "mean Russian" image that was so popular during the 80's.

The Romulans go on to show how powerful yet ugly the very idea of espionage is. In the original series, it was portrayed as a battle of wits with the loser losing something very precious indeed. (Be it their new Plasma weapon or the Cloaking Generator.) NextGen expanded on this by adding the Tal'Shiar (sp?) element to the Romulans, making them even sneakier and uglier to work with. It also added the dimension of the "normal" people getting caught up in the problems created by espionage.

The Borg were very simply an overpowering force that sought to equalize and harmonize the universe at the expense of individuality and free expression. I 5hink that describes socialism pretty well, don't you? ;)

Oh, and the Borg are not cyborgs. They are merely "organically challenged". :P

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (0, Troll)

Fallus Shempus (793462) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588316)

Or it describes the current US policy of forcing their idea of Democracy down every nations throat until they all look the same.

Or the radical Muslim idea of making the entire world Muslim. Or the current evangelical missionary idea as seen in places like Uganda who are trying to do the same thing with Christianity.

Metaphor, Metaphor, everyone wants to be like everyone else so much that they want to change anything different to be like them.

OK, OK, round here it's really way to early to be up and on the computer on a Saturday morning... Sorry

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588578)

the Borg as a metaphor for socialism.

Considering the Federation is often described as communism that doesn't make much sense. Of course it also doesn't make much sense that people who got partially assimilated hate being Borg, you'd think the first thing they'd do is reprogram them to feel happyness at the thought of serving the swarm.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588242)

If you really want a good TV show about "major war", get the networks to reboot Space: Above and Beyond.

Good to see someone else remembers that show. It started so poorly (the pilot was cheese plus), but it ended so well. I'd be very happy to see a decently done reboot of Space Above and Beyond, especially now that the BSG reboot (which drew heavily on SAaB) has given extra credibility to more dark gritty SF. The only other SF TV series I'd ever want to see rebooted is Blake's 7. I guess, in some ways, you could almost claim that Firefly was almost that - still, Blake's 7 with production values would be interesting to see.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

melchoir55 (218842) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588382)

I don't think this would have killed the series at all, it would simply bring about a modicrum of change (I realize change can be frightening). Simply because the setting changes to a ww2-ish one does not mean we cannot examine issue relevant to our day-to-day lives. How about the controversial topic of torture? The USA is doing it, maybe Riker encounters a situation where torturing someone could lead to saving a lot of human lives? There is no end to the topics that could be covered, it simply takes imagination.

If you argument is that we cannot "identify" with it because it has a major war, I'd say that's really short-sighted. We are talking about a show that presents us with humanity in a *completely* different situation than it is today. They are aware of alien species, hell, they work alongside and marry them. They have no monetary system, their motivations in life are drastically different than ours. I assure you that if we can identify with the Star Trek universe as it has been clasically portrayed, we can identify with the same universe in a state of war.

Yet another action show? Maybe, but that's not a result of the premise. That's a result of the talent (or lack thereof) of the writers.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

chromatic (9471) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588412)

The good Star Trek has always been a platform for commentary about everything from the human condition to modern politics.

Oh wow... I get it now! That episode with the half-black, half-white man fighting the half-white, half-black man was really about international fiscal policy! Whoa!

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588488)

If you really want a good TV show about "major war", get the networks to reboot Space: Above and Beyond.

Only it really wasn't so good. Just more of the same old American and Hollywood tripe. Always with the young turks defying authority and saving the day as a result. Yawn.

Wait, that's not American at all, is it. It's Hollywood's representation of a mythical America. I stand corrected.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (4, Insightful)

istewart (463887) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588624)

Deep Space Nine is widely considered the best Trek series, and its last four seasons centered around an ongoing story about a major war that the Federation stood a major chance of losing. One could perhaps argue that it wasn't as big a success as TNG or TOS, but all the data I've ever seen indicated that it did as well as TNG in first-run syndication. (Then Spike ran it into the ground after it was removed from syndicated reruns, but such is the nature of the modern TV market.)

And it set the stage for even more interesting story possibilities, although they haven't been explored. As far as we've seen, Starfleet has always been balanced between its military aspect and peaceful exploration. Right up till STVI, the balance was almost dead even: there was a state of cold war with the Klingons, but you also had Kirk and his contemporaries doing their 5-year missions of exploration. During TNG, one can argue that the balance had swung heavily towards the explorers (although there is that Cardassian war immediately pre-TNG that we didn't get to see). DS9 chronicled a sudden and severe shift toward militarism. The warships that the grandparent poster wanted to see being spit out have already been spat out. The Defiant was mass-produced, even though its sole purpose is as an overpowered gunship. TNG told us that the initial run of Galaxy-class ships was limited to 9, and DS9 shows us a whole lot more than that, all of them heavily armed and doubtless assembled on an accelerated total-war production regimen.

So even though the Federation won, how does it go back to the fleet full of peaceful explorers we saw during TNG? There's the essential conflict that sets up the premise of such a story. Add to that the fact that there's a gigantic power vacuum in Romulan space since Picard's vinyl-fetishist clone murdered the Senate, and throw in a few TOS-style devious-bastard Klingons who don't like Martok because he's too buddy-buddy with the Federation, oh, and those Section 31 guys too, and we have a recipe for a very interesting story that is equal parts action and commentary on human nature.

So an entertaining and thoughtful follow-on to TNG-era Trek is certainly possible (although maybe not in the exact fashion the GPP was thinking about), and it could be a solid draw for both nerds and casual fans alike with happy memories of TNG and DS9. But such ideas aren't under consideration because executives would rather find a gimmick that they think would bring in a lot of people all at once. Case in point, a prequel movie which recasts the two most recognized Trek characters out there (and make no mistake, there will be an infinite amount of nerd rage on this point), or the proposed Web-based miniseries which completely overthrows the Trek universe to give us "Star Trek as YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE!"

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

lazydog (694263) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588682)

I sincerely doubt that anyone today can identify with a "major war" (which would be something along the lines of a WWII scenario IN SPACE!)
I agree with you, however almost everyone will identify with the war on terrorism :-)

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588704)

Or indeed Babylon 5 which had a couple of long ter major wars.

The lack of success of its spin offs though maybe indeed support the major point of your post.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588114)

The Tech might be your idea of the Spirit of Trek but I doubt everyone would share that version. I certainly don't.

Although set in the future, for me Trek stories aren't supposed to be about the Tech. They're supposed to be about people, how they deal with each other, and how they deal with new types of situations presented to them when meeting other races our there in the galaxy(ies). And to provide some hope for us that we'll survive as a species and get out into space instead of blowing ourselves to Kingdom-come with nuclear weapons, bio-weapons or Grey Goo [wikipedia.org] .

The Tech provides tools so that the writers can concentrate on the stories and the characters. Tech like the transporter was introduced to help accelerate story lines: it would get pretty boring if in every episode you had to spend five minutes in the shuttle getting from the ship to a planet and back again. Shields were introduced to give the crew some modicum of protection - otherwise in a "reality-based" show the hull would getting punctured by meteorites all the time. FTL travel (warp engines) was introduced so that the ship could get from A to B fairly quickly, otherwise it would be Planet Trek and we'd be limited to stories within our own solar system.

Wesley episodes always bugged me: Let's have Wesley save the ship again with some new-fangled technology he comes-up with on the spot but never run with it and actually deploy it across the Federation.

I preferred episodes like Shuttlepod One (which was admittedly a bit rough) that concetrated on two or three characters in adverse situations, where the characters were allowed to introduce some of their histories and flesh themselves out as people instead of something on a flat screen.

Tech-wise, I think Enterprise has had a very tough time as a series. It's set before TOS but couldn't really be made to have an appearance predating that of TOS. In many ways the technology of today has surpassed that which was available for TOS. Flat-panel displays have been common for years now, as have touch screens (heck they're installed as Information Booths in shopping centres), mobile phones and hand-held computers. In TOS a lot of the displays were Gels and backlit panels, with any needed animations put in during post production. Communicators were lumps of painted plastic (nowadays the communicators and phasers are still non-functional props but at least can be self-illuminated and have blinkin lights). It would have been unreasonable to have anything much less devolved than TOS in-use for this series, it would have killed believability. But avid Trek fans will have seen all the other series and not be so impressed by the lack of high-tech weaponry and super-fast ships. A tough balancing act, but I think the producers did OK.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588208)

I preferred episodes like Shuttlepod One (which was admittedly a bit rough) that concetrated on two or three characters in adverse situations, where the characters were allowed to introduce some of their histories and flesh themselves out as people instead of something on a flat screen.

*cringe*

Geez. Couldn't you pick a better example? Like Darmok or Inner Light? Hell, even Brothers or Attached are better than that tripe. You didn't hear Picard say that Beverly "has a nice bum", did you?

Let's all just pretend that Enterprise didn't happen. It will make life a lot easier and more enjoyable for everyone. :-/

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588254)

Heh, yes it was a poor example (and I said that). I think one of my favourite TNG lines was Beverley with "right, out with it Jean-Luc." :)

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588176)

I loved watching Trek for the same reasons you did. I took pleasure from Enterprise in seeing pieces of technology we later become intimately familiar with, as it's being theorized and invented. Force fields, tractor beams, the transporter; All of these technologies are fleshed out by the time TNG takes place (Force fields never really showed up in TOS.), but are bleeding edge in Enterprise.

Trip invents the "particle field" as a barrier against an invading alien. The Vulcans have tractor beams, but Enterprise has a magnetic grappler. The transporter is new, and rarely used; Shuttlepods are the main form of transportation, and are generally considered safer.

Seing how people interact with technology is often at least as interesting in the technology itself. We take for granted force fields and transporters in later series, but the crew of the Enterprise is just coming to grips with its possible uses.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (3, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588280)

Poor guy... you missed the point entirely! What made Star Trek interesting was the exploration of ethical and philosophical issues, and figuring out interesting and novel solutions to the problems the crew encountered. Star Trek has had episodes and movies about the following topics: religion, race relations, euthanasia, conservation, cybernetics, the definition of "life," the definition of "sentient life," love, hate, war, peace, etc. -- way too much stuff to list here. That's what made it great, not the technology. If all you care about are gadgets, you're better off watching a Bond flick instead.

Re:Against the spirit of Trek (3, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588510)

If they had any balls at all they would have gone with the idea of having Captain Riker ...

Jonathan Frakes is competent enough as an actor, and his roles are always well-written, but let's face it, the guy isn't that interesting to watch.

On the other hand, this guy [imdb.com] looks strangely like Riker and performs a similar role (albeit without a uniform or official title), but is interesting to watch. Hell, I thought it was Jonathan Frakes with a few years of acting classes under his belt doing something new.

Plot revealed... (3, Funny)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587862)

The Enterprise will crash land on an island on a strange planet and only a few of the crew members will survive. The island will have polar bears, and some crazy black smoke and this series of underground hatches with some ancient writing from a long past culture called The Dharma Initiative...

Re:Plot revealed... (1)

XMyth (266414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588026)

Hmm...if it's on between Lost episodes then I'll watch it!

Re:Plot revealed... (2, Funny)

terrymr (316118) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588182)

And random 20 minutes chunks of the movie will be repeated before major scenes so the movie will be nearly 4 hours long with only 80 minutes of storyline.

Re:Plot revealed... (2, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588204)

The Enterprise will crash land on an island on a strange planet and only a few of the crew members will survive. The island will have polar bears, and some crazy black smoke and this series of underground hatches with some ancient writing from a long past culture called The Dharma Initiative...

And following a fine legitus tradition in the US the producer will sue himself for stealing his own idea. The studio will settle out of court for an undisclosed amount which the insurance company will have to pay. He'll later be congradulated for the originality of adapting a TV show to a feature film.

if old Kirk and young Kirk meet (4, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17587970)

I'm afraid the scene where young Kirk and old Kirk meet and shake hands will have to be cut, because it causes an infinite recursive loop:

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

Old Kirk (to young Kirk): James T Kirk!

Young Kirk (to old Kirk): James T Kirk!

(snip)

Re:if old Kirk and young Kirk meet (2, Funny)

deniable (76198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588508)

Denny Crane?

Heres a hint (4, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588024)

it involves Kirk and Spock naming their own price on a deep space voyage for two and saving with priceline!

Plot element you can count on. (3, Interesting)

gd23ka (324741) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588044)

Terrorism. There will be terrorists in the plot and I remember something about the series
about clone and eugenics wars that early in "starfleet history". Of course it is pretty
much left up to them what terrorist foe they will present on the screen, but it will
certainly be in tune of current events.

Those working towards a predictable population are just as predictable themselves.

Re:Plot element you can count on. (1)

Dark_Lord_Prime (899914) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588184)

The Eugenics War took place during the late 1990s, well before Zefram Cochrane built the Phoenix (after World War III) and LONG before "young Kirk and Spock" (or even Johnathan Archer) were born.

Re:Plot element you can count on. (2, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588192)

The eugenics wars took place in the 1990s, years before the Vulcans encountered humans, and around 100 years before the founding of the Federation.

Unless you were thinking of a 24-style series in reverse, where each episode represents a year instead of an hour, it would be hard to cover the whole span.

Re:Plot element you can count on. (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588214)

The Eugenics Wars predate Academy by about 200 years - they were supposed to have occured in the 1990's as I recall. They were touched-on again during a few episodes of Enterprise when Brent Spiner reprised his role as a Soong (Arik, presumably the father/grandfather of Noonien), but finished-up with him deciding to drop genetics in favour of robotics and androids.

I think one story we're likely to be (depressingly) greeted with is of how Kirk defeated the Kobayashi Maru simulation as was introduced in the Wrath of Kahn.

Re:Plot element you can count on. (2, Interesting)

xaosflux (917784) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588304)

I just hope they avoid the use of the time travel as a deus ex machina solution that became more and more used in the later series'.

wow (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588140)

It went something like this:
 
...people saw Rocky? What? He's how old?

Let's make another Star Trek!

Odd/Even (2, Insightful)

tao (10867) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588174)

To me it sounds like they are trying to keep up the tradition of odd numbered ST-movie = bad, even numbered ST-movie = good...

Re:Odd/Even (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588326)

You think Star Trek Generations (i.e. the 7th movie) was bad? Go and stand in the corner.

Re:Odd/Even (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588368)

Apparently GP also thinks Star Trek Nemesis was good. Maybe we should throw things.

Re:Odd/Even (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588534)

No numbers on that one, man. In the absence of numbers, all Star Trek movies are to be considered odd numbered. (After all, no number at all is certainly an odd number to be, isn't it?)

  Thus you can just skip everything after Star Trek VI and miss out on the stupid Chroniton wave plots, Captain "Do we have the right to exterminate the Borg via hologram babble?" Picard's sudden rebirth as Borg-hatin' Captain Ahab (complete with the "also-starring" character pointing out that HE'S TEH AHAB in case the audience was really, really stupid), the evil plastic surgery aliens (Ooh, teh scary, they're from Beverly Hills!), the edgy young Picard clone in his cool black leather, all of that crap.
  - mantar

My concept for a new Trek series or film. (2, Interesting)

RexRhino (769423) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588240)

In the Star Trek universe, everything seems happy and friendly, but there are some sinister things that bother me:

1. The Federation is supposedly an alliance of planets where aliens of many different races live in peace and harmony. Then why the hell are virtually everyone on Federation starships human? And the few token non-humans are clearly the more human looking. There are no six tentacled creatures serving on Federation starships... there are no non-physical energy beings. And everyone knows that Spock is far more intelligent, more physically capable, ages slower, and in general vastly superior to Kirk in all ways. It is only bigotry that an officer as talented as Spock has to play second fiddle to Kirk. Clearly there is some sort of racist conspiracy in the Federation!

2. Earth has become an enlightened place, where all races and cultures live in peace and harmony... yet I am supposed to believe that out of the billions of non-european people on the planet earth (who vastly outnumber europeans), that only one black person, and one asian person, qualified to be on the bridge crew, or an engineer, or something important that would make them a main character? In fact, if all races lived in peace and harmony and equality, and transporters allow instantanious teleportation around a planet, shouldn't all people have inter-married to the point where all humans would be a nice light brown color - a combination of all races and cultures?! Clearly, despite Earth and Federation propoganda and lies, White European Males still dominate not only Earth, but the Federation!

3. They have "abandoned money"? Wait a minute... money is nessicary when there is scarcity and a market economy... and they definitly didn't eliminate scarcity (after all, dilithium crystals are still rare and valuable... there is only one holideck on the Enterprise, not one for every crew memeber, definitly meaning it would require some sort of rationing... the Enterprise is always carrying medicine or supplies, implying that the replicators can only produce certain types of objects). Obviously, the Federation has adopted some sort of anti-free-market command economy - perhaps Soviet style Communism, or Nazi style National Socialism. Either way, despite the pleasant lies of abundance that is spread in Trek propoganda, the Federation is most likely stifling, beurocratic, totalitarian-economic nightmare, with shortages and people lining up Soviet style in order to buy the most basic of goods.

4. We are left to assume that the Federation is some sort of Democracy... then why don't starfleet officers ever talk politics? Why isn't Data a member of one political party, while Wharf is a memeber of another political party, and they have heated (though respectful) political discussions? Why isn't Pickard contiplating his civilian political career after his starfleet career? Why is there never any controversy about Federation policy?

It is because the Federation is a military dictatorship, controlled by Starfleet! The military elite of Starfleet control both the military and civilian governments (and clearly, from the series, there is no seperation of the two).

5. The Enterprise is supposedly on a "peaceful mission of exploration"... yet the Enterprise is the military flagship of Starfleet! How often do countries nowadays send a battleship, or aircraft carriers, or other military war machines on "exploration and science missions"? Scientific vessels are usually unarmed, or carrying a few small firearms... they aren't loaded with ICBMs and torpedos! The Enterprise is clearly on a scout mission for imperialist military expansion!

So here is my concept:

In my series or movie, the Federation is really a vast imperialist military dictatorship... and Empire that has been slowly and surely conquering the galaxy. The other Star Trek films and series are propoganda films put out by the Federation... (that explains why the Klingons look different in different series... because as the Federation continued is agressive war against the Klingons, it became more and more genocidal, and it was nessicary to make Klingons seem less human, in order to make it easier to exterminate them!).

In my series, a group of space-pirates slash political revolutionaries pilot a starship, carrying out geurilla attacks against the Federation, funded by smuggling contraband and looting Federation military ships. (OK, it is a little like Firefly, but that is just coincidence). They team up with the peaceful Klingons and Romulans, who have been victims of Federation sponsered genocide. Their five year mission, to build an rebel army capable of overthrowing the Federation, destroying Starfleet, and liberation the galaxy from imperialism and oppression!

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (1)

eqisow (877574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588330)

I stopped reading when you spelled Picard as Pickard :(

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588686)

I started laughing when he said Wharf.

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (1)

k3vlar (979024) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588470)

After reading to the end of your exceedingly long post, I feel obligated to point out that they HAVE (or had, as I learned from the wikipedia entry) what you describe at the end. They were called the Maquis, and they originally opposed a cardassian treaty or something (too lazy to read the whole entry). I quote from a quote on the wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] :
"The trouble is Earth. On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. It's easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the demilitarized zone all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people - angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive, whether it meets with Federation approval or not" -- Benjamin Sisko

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (2, Insightful)

Incidence (923443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588484)

"3. They have "abandoned money"? Wait a minute... money is nessicary when there is scarcity and a market economy... and they definitly didn't eliminate scarcity (after all, dilithium crystals are still rare and valuable... there is only one holideck on the Enterprise, not one for every crew memeber, definitly meaning it would require some sort of rationing... the Enterprise is always carrying medicine or supplies, implying that the replicators can only produce certain types of objects)."
In Deep Space 9 its pretty clear that money still exists and that Starfleet pays its people some how because there are shops and you see Starfleet crew shopping in them. Also in Voyager there is a show were two of the main characters are talking about a historical renactment bar were people go around and pretend to steal people's wallets to increase accuracy. Personally I think the "no money" thing was quietly dropped after the creaters realised it caused problems like you mentioned.

4. We are left to assume that the Federation is some sort of Democracy... then why don't starfleet officers ever talk politics? Why isn't Data a member of one political party, while Wharf is a memeber of another political party, and they have heated (though respectful) political discussions? Why isn't Pickard contiplating his civilian political career after his starfleet career? Why is there never any controversy about Federation policy?
The Federation is a Democracy or a Republic of some sort because we met the President of the Federation (he is an alien by the way) in a 2-parter in DS9. There is also a split between the Federation and Starfleet because in the same 2-parter Starfleet has to get permission to overhaul base security and it was the President who had to declare martial law. I know you ment the post to be funny but I wanted to point out that some of your points were talked about in the later shows and dealt with to some degree.

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (2, Insightful)

DoktorTomoe (643004) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588486)

the Enterprise is always carrying medicine or supplies, implying that the replicators can only produce certain types of objects
... or they plan for a worst-case scenario: Need for medication when the replicator has ceased working (as in: massive energy loss, massive damage, stranded in a defective shuttlecraft on some remote moon...)

Makes sense to me.

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (3, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588500)

Then why the hell are virtually everyone on Federation starships human? And the few token non-humans are clearly the more human looking. There are no six tentacled creatures serving on Federation starships... there are no non-physical energy beings.
It would make sense to have similar creatures together, as you'd need a compatible atmosphere that they could all breathe. Then there's the toilets, oh so many different kinds of toilet.

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588716)

Then there's the toilets, oh so many different kinds of toilet.

Did you ever see the people in Star Trek go to the privvy? Hell have you ever SEEN a privvy in ST? There's only one explaination: Starfleet uniforms include catheters.

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (1)

fluxindamix (804999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588516)

apparently, you didnt have a chance to watch Deep Space 9 (DS9). With Ronald Moore being the puppet master, he had all these elements. Money & greed, criticism by Commander Sisko against the sterility and ivory tower approach of federation, rebels against federation, secret sinister plots by federation. If you google a bit more, you would see that Moore was fired because of this. And he created what he wanted with Battlestar Galactica. Inappropriate situations, dirty startships, all sort of psyhcotic officers, and sex (yes threesomes)...

I would like to see what a previous post says, a war, with Riker at helm, a BSG like conflicts, 24 like suspense, and vivid girls,

oh please...

Re:My concept for a new Trek series or film. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17588616)

2. I count at least 2 asian bridge crew members... 3 if you count the transporter operator aboard Pike's ship. It could be the white races faired the better in the Eugenic Wars and WW-III.

4. Didn't you watch DS9, StarFleet plotted to assassinate the Federation President in a terrorist attack and use it as an excuse to preemptively attack the Ira... er the Dominion. And there is plenty of controversy about federation policy. One example is in Insurrection, where one member of the crew complains the federation letting in too many immig...er new members. And then I'm pretty sure Picard et. al. commits TREASON against the UFP.

In my series, a group of space-pirates slash political revolutionaries pilot a starship, carrying out geurilla attacks against the Federation
Didn't they do this in Late Enterprise and DS9. Weren't some of Voyager's crew a members of this revolutionary party?

It's life Jim (1)

Heembo (916647) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588394)

But not as we know it....

Shatner recast ? (2, Funny)

Vulcann (752521) | more than 7 years ago | (#17588432)

Shatner ...captain of the enterprise ... again? ... ..Bones ... there must be ... some other way!!...
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