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Sun Is Giving Away Solaris 10 DVDs

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the what-is-this-free-you-speak-of dept.

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Tarmas writes "For a limited time only, just like Ubuntu's ShipIt service, Sun Microsystems lets you order Solaris 10 absolutely free of charge. The operating system comes on a single DVD supporting both the x86 and SPARC versions. Also included is Sun Studio 11."

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um... (-1, Troll)

PunkOfLinux (870955) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605622)

While i find this (mildly) interesting, I have to wonder how this is either 'news for nerds' or 'stuff that matters'. Really...

Re:um... (5, Funny)

Virak (897071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605706)

It's 'news for nerds' because it's Solaris. It's 'stuff that matters' (at least, to said nerds) because they're giving away DVDs of it for free.

And if you only find it mildly interesting, you've probably got too much of a life. Try spending less time talking to people and going outside, and more time participating in OS flamewars, bashing Microsoft, and filling your multi-terabyte RAID (you *do* have a multi-terabyte RAID, right?) with porn.

Re:um... (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605742)

Solaris beats Linux hands down for porn hunting because of that nifty app it comes with, ddtrace.

Re:um... (1)

2ms (232331) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606078)

Haven't you heard, people who don't like MS are yesterday's MS? If you are one us, you are supposed to bash, by accusing them of bashing MS, people who dislike MS or its products. I can't believe you didn't know that. You must have a shitty karma level.

Re:um... (3, Insightful)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605746)

Yeah, I'm not seeing the "news" angle since Solaris 10 and Sun Studio 11 have been available as free downloads for quite some time. Sure, it's nice to have them on pressed media instead of a writable CD/DVD, but I'm not sure why/how this is a big deal.

Re:um... (2, Informative)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605796)

It's interesting because I'll finally have a decent copy.. never got around to burning the copies I downloaded months ago (we were going to port to solaris 10 for a customer but they balked at the cost & went with solaris 9 instead).

Re:um... (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606150)

I'm not seeing the "news" angle since Solaris 10 and Sun Studio 11 have been available as free downloads for quite some time.
as is Sun Cluster [sun.com] !

I wonder (2, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605634)

Is this a sign of desperation? (Not bashing Sun here, just heard that the company is going through a tough time.)

Re:I wonder (4, Insightful)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605662)

Actually, it's just a way to drum up interest in a new product. A lot of companies do it.

Microsoft does it with the functional betas of a lot of their software including Visual Studio and they aren't really hurting for customers

Re:I wonder (2, Funny)

ceeam (39911) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605948)

Oh, and if Sun wants to ship me an Acer Ferrari notebook with Solaris 10... where do I send them my postal address?

Re:I wonder (4, Informative)

222 (551054) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605966)

Microsoft also did something along the same lines with their Power Together [powertogether.com] program, although the end result of that was a fully functional copy of Office or Vista.
You actually had to watch a few webcasts (Hit play and go to sleep) but its essentially the same thing.
I'll be getting a free copy of Vista as well as Solaris, but more as a novelty than anything on both counts.

Re:I wonder (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606680)

Wish I had known about that when they started it. I wouldn't have turned my nose up at a free copy of the new Office.

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606192)

Is this Sun's site? I went to Sun.com and clicked to go to the German subsidiary. According to Sun.com it is located de.sun.com, not sun.de? The captcha is appropriate: paranoia

Re:I wonder (3, Informative)

QuickFox (311231) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606566)

Is this Sun's site?
Interesting question.

Answered thus by whois:

Domain: sun.de
<snip/>
  [Holder]
  Type: ORG
  Name: Sun Microsystems GmbH
  Address: Sonnenallee 1
  Pcode: 85551
  City: Heimstetten
  Country: DE
  Changed: 2006-01-06T14: 03: 1001: 00
<snip/>
  [Tech-C]
  Type: PERSON
  Name: Sun Hostmaster
  Organisation: Sun Microsystems Inc.
  Address: 4150 Network Circle
  Pcode: 95054
  City: Santa Clara CA
  Country: US
  Phone: 1 01 3032727000
  Fax: 1 01 6503366623

Yes, but who is their competition? (3, Informative)

Kenneth Stephen (1950) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606214)

In the good old days, when Sun was making money, they had their guns trained on IBM. These days, there seems to be a tacit acknowledgment in their strategy that they are no longer in the same league as IBM. They seem to be aspiring to compete with HP, Dell and *shudder* Gateway. You dont see IBM giving away their AIX operating system for free, do you? And this is despite the fact that AIX soleley exists to exploit IBM hardware (it doesnt run on anything else) and therefore, could legitimately be given away, since IBM's objective is to sell hardware.

The bottom line is: yes, its a way to drum up interest in a new product, but they appear to be targetting the lower-end market segment with this gimmick.

Re:Yes, but who is their competition? (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606618)

I'd say that they're probably going the support route with this one. They give away the software and then sell their support contracts kind of like Redhat does.

I've known a couple of people who worked for Sun going on-site to locations to do support and I would assume that they have phone based packages as well.

Personally, I have to say that, if I had the spare cash, this might make me want to buy a Sun box. I love their hardware, having worked on it in labs for several years. It's just that buying the new OS every upgrade would have been rather expensive.

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606608)

"and they aren't really hurting for customers"

Excuse me, Mr. bladesjester, but you seem to have inadvertantly typed "for" in part of your post. I was going to suggest you correct it but I'm afraid your post might still be incorrect. Oh dear, I really don't know what to say.

Yours truly,

AC

Re:I wonder (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605676)

This is very old news actually. I got my SPARC DVD a month ago. Of course you should run Solaris on real hardware, not that obsolete piece of shit Intel is still manufacturing.

Glass

Re:I wonder (2, Interesting)

bigtomrodney (993427) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605788)

Yeah I got mine about 6 weeks back. The upsetting thing is that it doesn't correctly boot on either my Siemens P4 or my Xeon Poweredge 2600. Not a good start, they're both corporation targetted boxes. Pity, I was looking forward to it too. If Nexenta and Belenix can do it with the Source and no funding, it would make you wonder about Sun!

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606460)

The proprietary Pentium4 processor is a complete joke. Buy real hardware next time. Can your stupid PC default to serial console when no keyboard is connected?

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605808)

Like an Opteron machine that Sun sells?

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606504)

That would be AMD. But I'm sure that's not what you meant.

Its been free for a while (4, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605724)

At least in downloadable form. I remember getting Solaris 8 iso images from them almost 5 years ago. Theres plenty of hobbyists and admins that need or want to run it at home. Their attitude is much better than SGI, IRIX cds still cost plenty on ebay. O2 and Octane workstations are dirt cheap now.

Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (1, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605804)

The offer to ship Solaris DVDs for free is a last gasp of air for Solaris.

Five years ago, McNealy made a strategic error in refusing to open-source Solaris under a GNU license. He feared that Linux might simply absorb the best parts of Solaris and, thereby, eventually destroy Solaris.

Well, Linux still killed Solaris. The openness of Linux encouraged its proliferation and adoption by key computer giants: IBM, HP, and other companies specializing in commercial computers. IBM, in particular, drastically improved the reliability of Linux. It competed effectively against Solaris in important commercial accounts at telecommunications companies and banks.

Linux hurt Solaris and other commercial UNIXes much more than Linux hurt Windows. Today, there are only two dominant desktop/server operating systems: Linux and NT-based Windows.

Solaris is headed for burial, and McNealy jumped ship -- with millions of dollars in stock options.

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (2, Informative)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606254)

You must live in a fascinating world.

Solaris is the dominant OS in the oil company datacentres of the world. Windows is the dominant desktop. Linux is making inroads on the desktop, and is a complete bit-player on the server side, in this industry. In commerce, AIX is still dominant, and Linux is unheard of. Telecom companies, admittedly, are getting more friendly with Linux.

Solaris is not only alive, but will remain that way for a while.

Oracles Knifes Solaris to Death (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606466)

According to the latest news [infoworld.com] , Oracle has abandoned Solaris in favor of Linux. Oracle programmers do their development first and foremost on Linux. Then, if there is customer demand, the programmers port their code to Solaris.

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (1)

linuxrocks123 (905424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606646)

> In commerce, AIX is still dominant, and Linux is unheard of.

You're insane. NYSE runs its stock-trading network on Linux for one example. Merrill Lynch has a large-scale Linux deployment too. I don't know anything about what the oil industry in particular uses (nor do I care), but this at least is wrong.

> Solaris is not only alive, but will remain that way for a while.

Of course. Open source OSes can only die if no one cares, and many people care about Solaris. Its driver support is far less mature than Linux's, but it's only a matter of time before it catches up. There's some cool stuff in Solaris that will eventually find its way into Linux, too. They're both good OSes and neither is going to kill the other.

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606332)

How is this bullshit modded insightful? Solaris is still heavily used in industry, and still pounds Linux when it comes to *serious* reliability and backwards-compatibility. Linux has only really beaten it in webservers.

Today, there are only two dominant desktop/server operating systems: Linux and NT-based Windows.

Congratulations. You've won the stupidest comment of the week award. I'll let you work out why.

Oracles Knifes Solaris to Death (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606536)

According to the latest news [infoworld.com] , Oracle has abandoned Solaris in favor of Linux. Oracle programmers do their development first and foremost on Linux. Then, if there is customer demand, the programmers port their code to Solaris.

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (1)

backwardMechanic (959818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606408)

There seem to be lots of folks out there claiming Linux has killed Solaris. But if you talk to any admin managing machines with lots of users, shifting heavy data, they love Solaris. Better throughput, better reliability. And they keep buying Sun (even if Solaris is free). What was that quote Steve Jobs was using - if you're serious about software you have to develop your own hardware?

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (2, Insightful)

An dochasac (591582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606690)

The comment about Scott and GPL is nonsense. But it's true that Scott et. al made some enormous mistakes during the peak of the last bubble. When Sun was golden, they started selling Ultra workstations with inadequate memory, a PCI bus and IDE drives. These low end machines introduced many a college student to Solaris and helped promote the "Slowaris" meme. Sun delayed X86 Solaris at precisely the right time to insure that GNU/Linux could take advantage of a steep part of the X86 moore curve and decades of opensource software development, some of which came from Sun. Sun made their development environment an expensive option, which surely turned away many talented but frugal developers.

Now that Sun is doing (most) everything right, opensourcing Java (GPL), opensourcing Solaris and contributing real innovations to Unix (Dtrace, ZFS...), their biggest problem is that they don't have the marketing budget of IBM (Linux's biggest corporate backer) or Microsoft and they Schwartz doesn't yet have yet have the reality distortion aura of Steve Jobs. Solaris 10 and more recent releases of Opensolaris are already freely available, as is Sun Studio. How much extra who it cost to put S10 on some DVDs and ship it to those who show enough interest? It's a no-brainer and miles away from a "cry of desparation."

Re:Last Gasp of Air for Solaris (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606778)

You must live in mondo bizarro. Nobody with a clue would let a Windows box inside a datacenter, nobody. Our Sun gear (SF25k) runs Solaris. Our HP iron runs HP-UX (Superdome) and our backup servers run AIX (RS-6000). We have a rack of HP Blades running Linux, but that's it. And zero Windows machines.

Re:I wonder (5, Insightful)

AchiIIe (974900) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605864)

Canonical: Free Ubuntu cds shipped!
Community: Whoa, great innovative, breakthrough, sign that ubuntu is a serious contender

Sun: Free Solaris dvds shipped!
Community: Whoa, sign of desperation, they can't even give their os for free.

Re:I wonder (1, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606212)

Canonical: Did it first.
Sun: Shouldn't need to.

Re:I wonder (5, Funny)

Fyre2012 (762907) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606322)

Canonical: Did it first.
What about AOL?

Re:I wonder (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606432)

Last time I checked, AOL doesn't have an OS, although it can feel that way. I know I didn't define "it" but I figured I was talking to fellow human beings that didn't need a definition of every preposition I used in my statement. Just for the robots out there: it == provide a free service for mailing operating system installation media to anyone who requests such service from a web site. Now back to cleaning the kitchen Robbie.

Fruit Issues (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606240)

Apples and oranges. Ubuntu was never a closed-source product, and the people who put it together were motivated by the desire to put together a better Linux bistro that they always knew they'd have to give away. Solaris/SunOS has been a closed-source product, and a significant revenue source for Sun, since 1982. (Let's not quibble about whether Solaris and SunOS are the "same OS".) Sun giving away Solaris, either by opening part of the source or by giving away free media and licenses, is a major shift for them. "Desperation" might be too strong a word, but Sun is certainly going through some collective soul searching.

It wasn't so long ago that, Sun had a religious devotion to their own hardware platform (SPARC), OS (Solaris), and application platform (Java). They weren't just infatuated with these technologies, they believed they had to control them. Hence the long battle over opening up Java, which is usually described as "open-sourcing" Java, but is actually more about opening up management of the Java platform spec. Key people in Sun resisted these changes for years, unwilling to share control over the future of these technologies. And if Sun weren't losing money hand over fist, these people would still be having their way.

Re:I wonder (3, Insightful)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606508)

You mistyped:

Sun: Free Solaris dvds shipped!
One random guy on Slashdot: Whoa, sign of desperation, they can't even give their os for free.

Re:I wonder (1)

RooT iO (946975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605890)

"we'll beat any advertised price or your mattress is freeeeeeeeee" ... your killing me larry!

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606392)

I order this just before Christmas and the version that was shipped to me was Solaris 10 06/06. 11/06 was released in November, so I wonder if this is just a way of clearing out the old media they'd otherwise be disposing of?

It's perhaps worth noting that to upgrade from a previous release of Solaris 10 requires the full media if some of the features of 11/06 grab you (http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0547/6mgbdbs mb?a=view [sun.com] )

Re:I wonder (3, Insightful)

Thomas the Doubter (1016806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606734)

This is a sign that Sun is coming to terms with the economics of the Free/OpenSource movement. Get your OS out there and you will make more friends, sell more hardware and services. I think Sun has the right idea, whereas HP still does not know what to do.

Source (5, Interesting)

vga_init (589198) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605672)

Is the source code included? It says only "Solaris," not "OpenSolaris," so I'm guessing that it's not. If it were, that would be cool.

Re:Source (1)

tjohns (657821) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606672)

Is the source code included? It says only "Solaris," not "OpenSolaris," so I'm guessing that it's not. If it were, that would be cool.

Yes, but how often does somebody want do development from a DVD? Especially with open source software, by the time you receive the disk your tree is out of date. Plus, there's no easy way to merge in new changes when they inevitably happen.

In principle, including the source on disk is a nice idea. In practice, just check it out from RCS.

Re:Source (1)

tjohns (657821) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606774)

Sorry, I meant to say SCM, not RCS.

Re:Source (1)

thedarknite (1031380) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606708)

I downloaded the Solaris 10 iso a few months back and this appears to have the same content, so I'm fairly sure the source code won't be included.

Not "just like" ShipIt... (-1, Redundant)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605716)

"US & Canada only."

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (0, Redundant)

Bob_Sheep (988029) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605750)

No, read it again. It says that "State/Province" is only required if you are in the US or Canada.

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (2, Informative)

larien (5608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605758)

No, you're only required to supply a state/province if you in USA or Canada.

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (0, Redundant)

notoriousE (723905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605760)

Where it says "US & Canada Only" it means only choose a State/province from the list if you are in those countries. I'd imagine that if there are choices for tons of other countries in the list then that means they ship there...

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (1)

zbaron (649094) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605780)

That limitation is only for selecting a state or province from the drop down. There are plenty enough fields for filling in an international address.

YES, Just like ShipIt. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605786)

Well, if you could read correctly, "US & Canada Only" means: Only select your state from within that box IF you're a US or Canada resident.
If that wasn't obvious to you, then you do not apply to receive your free copy. You should be running Windows. :-)

By the way, I just received mine, and I'm not on US or Canada.

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (2, Informative)

shades66 (571498) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605790)

>"US & Canada only."

That is only on the address "State/Province" box only which is not needed for non-us addresses. The box below the state/province selection has most of the planet covered

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (-1, Troll)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606030)

Why was this modded redundant?

I was filling out the form as well, until I saw I couldn't select my country.
Not only the US and Canada are using SUN. And if you're going to compare with Ubuntu in the summary; I've got Ubuntu CD's shipped to Belgium and MS beta's for that matter out of charge.

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606526)

...why the hell is that modded "troll"?

You might want to try something that my ex- did. A few years ago, she came across the same problem. We live in New Zealand, and it wasn't listed in the country she wanted to ship her stuff to, so she typed in

> Anna What's_Her_Name
> xx Something Street
> Dunedin, New Zealand

and then chose "Australia" as her home. When the box arrived, a few weeks later, it was labeled

> Anna What's_Her_Name
> xx Something Street
> Dunedin, New Zealand
> Australia

with a big red line through the Australia part, and the person had written underneath

> Try New Zealand!

So give it a try. (My Solaris discs will be arriving within "10 working days".)

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606076)

As others have said, you only have to enter as state/province for the U.S. or Canada.

As for why you should have figured this out yourself...Huge hint for you... The website is .de

Re:Not "just like" ShipIt... (4, Funny)

QuickFox (311231) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606244)

"US & Canada only."
They included that in the form as an IQ test, so that only Real Geek Geniuses will get their CD. All the people who can't get past that question to the list of countries are non-geniuses who should stay with Windows.

It's the only way (5, Funny)

nxtr (813179) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605722)

It's the only way I can keep my productivity up; I install an operating system on my computer that won't run any games.

Re:It's the only way (1)

RooT iO (946975) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605950)

so thats why my productivity is down, good call man, good call

Re:It's the only way (5, Funny)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606282)

You run OSX?

Re:It's the only way (1)

mtec (572168) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606592)

Cheap shot. Anyway, we have this this! [ambrosiasw.com]

US & Canada only (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605728)

Don't hit their site if you don't live in the Continental USA. The rest of the world doesn't seem to exist for Sun yet ;-)

Re:US & Canada only (2, Interesting)

leonmergen (807379) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605794)

What makes you say that ? I live in .nl and I just ordered myself a set.

Re:US & Canada only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605814)

Post Title: "US & Canada only"
Excerpt: Don't hit their site if you don't live in the Continental USA.

I wonder how Canadians feel about you lumping "US & Canada" into "the Continental USA". :P

Re:US & Canada only (1)

andrewa (18630) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605920)

Wrong. Interesting too that the site I got directed to when ordering mine was in Germany (.de)....

Profit! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605738)

eBay, here I come! No really! People buy this free shit on eBay! Made over 100$ from Ubuntu CDs I ordered for FREE!

The bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605762)

It's configured as an AOL signup package.

Talk about desperation... (-1, Flamebait)

ninja_assault_kitten (883141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605766)

See subject.

funny coincidence (5, Funny)

hildi (868839) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605934)

im giving away my SUN stock as well.

Re:funny coincidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606320)

SUNW is up over 50% in the last 6 months. You just bought at the wrong time!

Re:funny coincidence (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606554)

Don't give them away. If you have enough certificates roll them up tight. They make a nice firelog.

VMware to avoid hardware compatibility problems (4, Interesting)

ufnoise (732845) | more than 7 years ago | (#17605944)

When I installed Solaris last year, there were no drivers to support my hardware. I was able to get it to work in VMware and it worked great. There was file which you had to tweak for the interface, but that was about it.

Re:VMware to avoid hardware compatibility problems (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606400)

When I installed Solaris last year, there were no drivers to support my hardware.

What hardware might that be?

There are 3rd parties developing drivers that work on Solaris, if you just look around.

For network cards, you can often find manufacturers officially supporting Solaris, and offering drivers for download. The BSD drivers are also commonly ported to Solaris, such as these: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ [nifty.com]

OSS offers soundcard drives for just about every popular card. It doesn't use the same API as Sun's native audio output, but most programs have no problem handling it (and some Linux-ported applications even _need_ OSS).

Sun offers a simple kit on their website to compile XFree86 drivers for Sun's commercial X11 server (with full display Postscript support). Or you can compile and use XFree/Xorg normally.

Re:VMware to avoid hardware compatibility problems (1)

ufnoise (732845) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606752)


        When I installed Solaris last year, there were no drivers to support my hardware.

What hardware might that be?


Unfortunately downloading the NIC driver is hard when your NIC is not working. I couldn't get either of my network cards working. Also not fun is getting the NVIDIA graphics card to work. The drivers I am using now in Linux for my Nforce 4 chipset are:

skge
forcedeth

I was able to download drivers and burn them to the CD. Unfortunately I was either unsuccessful comprehending how device drivers in Solaris work, or it had difficulty recognizing the hardware.

VMware seemed like an excellent solution since it was free (as in beer), and I don't like rebooting.

Re:VMware to avoid hardware compatibility problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606424)

I have just installed Solaris 10 (11/06) on a dell latitude D600 (old and crappy, I know), but pretty much everything worked ok. The need to add driver_aliases to get NICs working etc, seem to be a thing on the past. With the help of wificonfig and the ndis driver (both from opensolaris.org) I was even able to get the Dell wireless (broadcom) NIC to work.

Sweet.

Solaris vs. Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605964)

Not that they have to be mutually exclusive, but Sun really needs to get with the program. Solaris is a total PITA compared to Linux. Linux has moved much closer in the direction of tight GUI and hardware integration. Solaris is like taking a step back to the stone age. The learning curve is just way too high for someone who hasn't been in that world and someone who doesn't want to become a professional sysadmin.

Full GUI configurability, excellent package installation, stupendous plug and play hardware support. Why in the world would anyone leave that behind? Maybe dtrace is amazing, but there isn't even a GUI for it.

Re:Solaris vs. Linux (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606418)

Full GUI configurability, excellent package installation, stupendous plug and play hardware support. Why in the world would anyone leave that behind? Maybe dtrace is amazing, but there isn't even a GUI for it.

Funny that it sounds like a windows vs linux argument of a few years ago.

lolol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17605998)

Sun Studio software provides optimizing C, C++ and Fortan compilers

Re:lolol (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606170)

Sun Studio software provides optimizing C, C++ and Fortan compilers
Aren't you hip? I guess you've never heard of g77?

Re:lolol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606266)

Yes, I have heard of g77. And I wouldn't touch it with a 12" dick if I had one.

Sorry, but my code works way way better with Sun Fortran than g77.

Re:lolol (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606296)

I think my point was missed. The original post appeared to be laughing at Sun for having a Fortran compiler. I was pointing out that there's a GNU fortran compiler as well.

Re:lolol (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606396)

I think all the posts missed the fact that they claim to have a "Fortan" compiler, which is a misspelling. It's just too bad it wasn't that funny.

Open The Floodgates (1)

kahanamoku (470295) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606000)

Now that it's on /. you can basically not expect to receive your copy for the next 6 months with the flood of /.ers filling in the form!

Re:Open The Floodgates (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606652)

Let 'em have it. Last month I downloaded Solaris Express [opensolaris.org] build 53, which includes a much newer GNOME (2.16, as opposed to 2.8 or whatever in Solaris 10) and firefox 2.

General Information on Solaris 10? (1)

Venim (846130) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606018)

Is there anything in particular that makes Solaris 10 stand out from say FreeBSD or various flavors of Linux?

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (0, Flamebait)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606068)

Slashdot is not google. :)

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (4, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606450)

That means you have to formulate your request differently when addressing to Slashdot or to Google : Don't say "What features of Sun OS can not be found in linux distributions ?" but say "Solaris is just a toy! Linux is far more superior!" and you may get a full detailed list of the said features

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (4, Informative)

larien (5608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606092)

Vendor support - you'll get full support for things like Oracle, SAP, etc, etc on Solaris easier than Linux (yes, I know you can get Oracle on Linux, but only certain versions, mainly Redhat)

Support for huge boxes. The Solaris 10 you run on a single CPU sunblade 100 is the same OS as will run on a 144-core loaded 25K - there's also very little real difference in the OS between SPARC & x86 (main differences are boot loaders & X-windows).

Then there's feature set - zones, dtrace, ZFS, workload management & so on all come out of the box. Most linux software will run with a recompile.

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606746)

(yes, I know you can get Oracle on Linux, but only certain versions, mainly Redhat)
Which is why it's meaningless to compare Solaris to "Linux". If you want to make meaningful comparisons, pick a distro.

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606146)

Yes, it works on Sun machines in particular. Apart from that, it is very much like running RedHat Linux with Gnome desktop.

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (5, Informative)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606172)

I'll assume you've missed all of the Solaris 10 hype, and are genuinely curious. That said, there are a lot of interesting things in Solaris 10.

First of all, it is robust and reliable to a degree that Linux still doesn't achieve in a general-purpose environment. It's also immensely scaleable--dealing gracefully with as big of a machine as you want to throw at it. In terms of technology, Solaris 10 was a complete rewrite, and in many ways was a rethinking of Unix. It provides service-level fault tolerance (via SMF, which replaces the traditional /etc/init.d method of starting services). There's dtrace which can trace anything in the computer (massively, incredibly more powerful than strace or truss). Zones are an implementation of virtual machines, and allow for complete isolation of environments all under one kernel. Related to that is the scheduler, which allows a very granular means of resource allocation to a process or application. Also, Brandz will let you run Linux code under Solaris, within a zone. I know of developers who are using this, because it lets them run dtrace against their Linux code for debugging and optimisation.
Finally there's ZFS, which is truly a new filesystem--the first in a long time on any platform. It combines filesystem operations with volume management, and results in a filesystem that has been abstracted from the hardware it's running on.

These are just the highlights of the most robust Unix out there right now.

What Solaris 10 will NOT buy you though, is the same end-user experience of Linux. The graphics routines, multimedia applications, and audio support just aren't at the same level in Solaris yet. That's changing fast enough, but it hasn't caught up yet.

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (3, Interesting)

2ms (232331) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606768)

Are they really working hard on these things? I'm curious. Those are more home or desktop only type user things. Just as an example, it's not as if Solaris will ever be used for pro music production or anything -- none of the industry standard apps are available for it. Who are they working on the multimedia, audio, etc support for exactly? I'm not doubting what you say, I'm just curious what their goal is.

Re:General Information on Solaris 10? (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606278)

Is there anything in particular that makes Solaris 10 stand out from say FreeBSD or various flavors of Linux?
see the feature list [sun.com] .

Free Coasters! (4, Funny)

lorg (578246) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606040)

Yay! Free coasters for everyone :)

Nice (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606118)

I've used the Free version Open Solaris for a while on a 4 way box. Works very well and uses Gnome desktop. No serious bugs, except that dragging and dropping a file on the desktop can make Gnome lock up.

Re:Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606706)

What about KDE?

Who needs it? (0, Redundant)

targitai (750327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606264)

It looks pretty desperate. First, they made Solaris available to public. Now they are trying to ignite some interest for this OS by giving away free dvds. More and more choose Linux as preinstall option on Sun hardware leaving "native" Solaris aside.

Re:Who needs it? (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606622)

Nah, they've been doing this for years and years and years. I have a copy of Solaris 2.6 kicking around somewhere, same deal; shipped for absolutely free, by request.

No different than any other tech company giving free for personal use or student copies of software.

It's true (4, Interesting)

faragon (789704) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606308)

I received the disks on december 8 '2006, postal box labeled as:

Sun Solaris 10 Media Kit Program
Fulfillment and Customer Service by:
BrandVia Alliance, Inc. - Fulfillment Center
2300 Zanker Road Suite E, San Jose, CA 95131, USA
Telephone: 408 955 1750 customerservice@brandvia.com
Reference: 23072-588

To *Your Name*
-reserved-
*Address*
Air Mail $5.05

Contents: Free Solaris 10 Software Media Kit. Commercial Value less than $10


Postal service used: UNITED STATES POSTAGE, from ZIP CODE 95131 to Barcelona (Spain)

The package include 3 DVD:

* 6/06 Solaris 10 Operating System (SPARC DVD)
* 6/06 Solaris 10 Operating System (x64/x86 DVD)
* Developer Tools (Sun Studio 11, Sun Java Studio Creator 2 Update 1, Sun Java Studio Enterprise 8, NetBeans 5.0)

The DVD box shows a photo of castellers [wikipedia.org] , quite curious, as it is typical from where I live (human tower, representing that the union make you stronger, etc.).

Corollarious: I'm glad the DVDs crossed the ocean. Thank you Sun! If Solaris become GPL v3 licensed, I would consider to use it for homebrewed hacking. Although I love Linux, and I will not leave using it, I like the possibility of have a GPL v3 alternative... just in case!

Re:It's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17606750)

Me too received this about a month ago (here in Spain :)

In other news.. (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 7 years ago | (#17606558)

AOL exec works for SUN now.
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