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Sony Ships 2 Million PS3s, May Still Miss Goal

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the sky-is-falling dept.

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Despite the news (at Gamasutra) that Sony has already shipped 2 Million PlayStation 3s, Next Generation reports that analysts are still doomcasting Sony's early next-gen efforts. The Japanese investment firm Nomura is now saying they expect Sony to be able to ship approximately 4.5 million PlayStation 3 units by the end of the fiscal year in March. This is only 75% of the company's stated goal. From the article: "Despite early manufacturing issues and a subsequent European delay, Sony has maintained that it will still ship 6 million PS3s worldwide by the end of its fiscal year. The company recently said that it met its goal to ship 1 million units in North America by the end of calendar year 2006. NPD Group reported last week that the console sold 490,700 units in the US in December, with 687,300 sold life-to-date in the region." I think it's still a mite early to say what's going to be happening in March, but there are a lot of unhappy investors listening to these reports right now.

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BFD (4, Insightful)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628600)

Sony needs to worry less about shipping PS3s and worry more about selling the ones that are already out there. If some really cool games don't ship this year the PS3 could just end up as another expensive game system nobody could justify buying.

Re:BFD (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628880)

They will ship a few "cool" games this year. They mainly still only have their core franchizes however. Nothing much on the lines of new ones. My guess is that if they can get FFXIII (yes, we really are up to 13) out relatively soon they should see a nice boost in sales, combine that with other things like Devil May Cry, Dynasty Warriors, etc etc, and they might stil lhave a shot.

I will not count them out (hey, it does make awsome purdy graphics, and you can pack a HECK of alot of stuff onto a blu-ray disc). We shall see.

(note, I am a nintendo fan, and so my views are probably stilted a bit, but hey, every one has stilted views)

Re:BFD (3, Interesting)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629938)

Yep, this is par for the course for a new Sony console. The only thing that _might_ make this fail is the other consoles. As for this release though, there are never many great games available when a new sony console comes out. This is for a number of reasons, but most revolve around the more complicated system they always end up putting out. It takes a couple of years to learn how to squeeze everything out of a new piece of sony kit.

There are always a certain number of people that buy a new PS immediately, but they've never had a console that just flew off the shelves at launch. They're like the locomotive in the industry, take a long time to get moving, but once they are look out. Prices fall, footprint reduces, games come out in droves, sales grow and grow and grow.

IMHO, all we can tell at this point about the current state of the consoles is this:
a) It's too early as usual to weigh in on Sony, but the indicators show similar success to previous launches.
b) MS is in a typical holding pattern. Picking up more sales due to the timing of games being available and specifically, a couple games that the japanese market is actually interested in.
c) The Wii is off to a great start...time will tell, but unless they screw up the games coming down the pipe in the future, it should be Nintendo's most successful console to date.

Don't expect much to change for at LEAST another year. Now taking bets on how many articles on this subject we'll see here within that time...I think we're already well over half a dozen ;)

Re:BFD (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631316)

[blockquote]Don't expect much to change for at LEAST another year.[/blockquote]

That'll be around when the first price drop happens (or maybe the second - after the first round of idiots with too much money buy the consoles, they often drop prices around E3). When that happens, I might consider a Wii. Unfortunately, with the Wii selling so well, and already cheaper than the competition, they might hold back on price drops.

Anyway, props to Nintendo. I know this is a Sony article, but it just doesn't seem like they are doing anything right lately.

Re:BFD (1)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628890)

As you probably know creating games for PS3 is hard. And not only because SDK is hardly available (at least for average people) + expensive you also have problems with Cell processors. They're fast beasts but very hard to tame. There's a lot problems with multi-threading. Until Sony resolves those issues PS3 will be just an expensive console.

Re:BFD (2, Insightful)

Branko (806086) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629200)

SDK is hardly available

And if PS2 SDK is any indication, it will be of less then ideal quality.

This is exactly why MS has a chance at beating Sony in the next-gen console war. Multi-threaded programming is hard as it is, but Microsoft is at least providing developers with tools that do not make it even harder.

Re:BFD (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629628)

Wasn't something very similar true of the Dreamcast?

Re:BFD (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630836)

Wasn't something very similar true of the Dreamcast?

No, the Saturn. The Dreamcast was designed for ease of programming -- in fact Sega made a WinCE-based dev kit available for those who wanted it -- and had the traditional one-CPU/one-GPU architecture, as opposed two the Saturn's complicated dual-CPU setup.

Re:BFD (1)

IcyNeko (891749) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630652)

I was at Sam's Club last night, and they're so desperate to sell PS3's that they've moved it to the checkout lane. Now when did a $600 space heater become an impulse buy?

Re:BFD (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631440)

I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who were so caught up in the hype that they wouldn't even start looking again for months.

As I mentioned in another post, I didn't believe all you guys posting that PS3s were available everywhere until I saw it for myself the other day. It's not that I don't get out much, it's that I don't bother looking. My son wandered over to play some games at Target, and that's when I saw what everyone has been saying: no Wiis, but PS3s gathering dust.

Unbelievable. That is, until I remember the price tag. It's not even that they are not worth it (I haven't decided whether they are or not), it's that even if it's worth it, that still doesn't make it affordable. A Rolls Royce might be worth it, that doesn't mean we can all run out and buy one.

Re:BFD (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629046)

If some really cool games don't ship this year the PS3 could just end up as another expensive game system nobody could justify buying.

To a certain degree, the same is true of the Wii. We're halfway through January now, and the majority of games on the horizon are Virtual Console games. That means that the hefty Gamecube library (of games most Wii owners haven't played) is holding up the value of the console. If the demand for the console wasn't keeping morale so high, you'd already be hearing grumbling about when new games will be coming out. The $250 price tag certainly wouldn't be convincing consumers to buy it just to play Gamecube games.

The only difference is that Nintendo managed their launch a lot better with greater supply, lower price tag, and a wider variety of cool games. Sony is scrambling only because they mis-managed their launch with a poor game selection, high price tag, and low availability. Things will get interesting next Christmas when both consoles have well-stocked libraries and lower price tags. Don't think for a minute that Sony isn't going to flex its market muscle and deep pockets at that time.

That being said, I think of lot of the PS3's eventual muscle will be deflected or absorbed by the XBox 360. Which would leave the Wii in a much better position. My only message to Nintendo is this: Don't get cocky!

Re:BFD (1)

computertheque (823940) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629518)

Sony's pockets aren't that deep at the moment. I agree with your statement on software availability for both consoles. I am a Wii owner, an having beaten Zelda, and basically sitting on my hands for something good to come along. Taking a look at a release schedule isn't doing much to put me at ease.

Re:BFD (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629640)

Sony's pockets aren't that deep at the moment.

They're still far deeper than Nintendos. Even if they don't have the cash reserves, they have sufficient credit to do nearly anything they need to do.

Personally, I hope the entire executive staff (also known as "pond scum") are evicted from their positions and replaced by a newer, more consumer-friendly bunch, but I don't think that's going to happen. At least not for a while. Which means that Sony will continue with their age old strategy of attempting to steamroll the competition.

Re:BFD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630138)

May I suggest Trauma Center and Excite Truck. I enjoyed both of them much more than Zelda.

Re:BFD (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629998)

Which would leave the Wii in a much better position. My only message to Nintendo is this: Don't get cocky!

Nintendo ... *Wii*

That ship has already sailed.

Re:BFD (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630024)

That being said, I think of lot of the PS3's eventual muscle will be deflected or absorbed by the XBox 360. Which would leave the Wii in a much better position. My only message to Nintendo is this: Don't get cocky!


For a variety of reasons, people have made this a Wii/PS3 grudge match, but they're not the only players, and not necessarily the closest competitors. Nintendo will do very well if people decide they want a Wii because of the Wii's merits. But if people who otherwise might like a PS3 for it's merits ultimately decide they can't afford a PS3, can't wait for a PS, don't like the current game lineup or don't like Sony, potentially Microsoft has more to gain than Nintendo.

In other words, a Vote for Wii is a vote for Wii, but a vote against PS3 could very well end up a vote for 360

TW

Re:BFD (1)

darien (180561) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630638)

My only message to Nintendo is this: Don't get cocky!

I have another piece of advice for them too: "crack, crack, crack the egg into the bowl."

Re:BFD (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630782)

To a certain degree, the same is true of the Wii. We're halfway through January now, and the majority of games on the horizon are Virtual Console games. That means that the hefty Gamecube library (of games most Wii owners haven't played) is holding up the value of the console.
Actually, while new games would help as well, the whole Virtual Console is probably the largest selling point of the Wii. Think about it - all the legacy games that came out when people were 5, 10, 15 years old and are now not available, or they couldn't buy them at that time, but now they are coming out for a brand new system. How many people would go back and play Metroid, Super Mario Brothers, Tetris, Mario Kart, and the numerous other games that were popular in the 80's? Or how about the obscure ones that had a small market, but were well loved in that market?

The Virtual Console is perhaps the number one reason why I will be buying a Wii when I can. New games (ExciteTruck, etc.) are a secondary thought for me as I am more interested in the games that I could not buy when I was a kid, but will now be available on the Wii.

This market is far larger than what Microsoft or Sony could compete with, if they even could - fact is, they can't as their systems have not been around so long, and their games have been so large it would not be very easy to do. (1 CD or DVD compared to the few hundred kilobytes of the older Nintendo - even the N64 - consoles.)

Re:BFD (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631020)

To a certain degree, the same is true of the Wii. We're halfway through January now, and the majority of games on the horizon are Virtual Console games.
While there are a lot of VC games, Nintendo isn't slouching on Wii games. Wario Ware is out this week (which is driving me nuts because I really can't afford it), Wii Play is out next month (ahh! where's my money!), and Mario Party's showing up the month after. Later this year we should be getting Sonic, Dragon Quest, Mario, Metroid, and Smash. And I still need to get Elebits and Super Swing Golf. I've never bought a console at launch before, and I couldn't be happier that I did this time (well, except when I look at my wallet, but my Wii's been very good at distracting me from that).

As for the PS3? Well, if you're an RPG fan and the PS2 was your bread and butter you have... Oblivion and hopefully FF13 to look forward to this year. If your a shooter/sports/fighting game fan, then you'd be more frugal buying a 360. I'll admit that I might be judging PS3 games too harshly because I just don't like their genres and they might really be good games for those who like that sort of thing, but I love my PS2 and in fact FF12 has seen more play this week than my Wii. Sony's gotta do something to get back all the RPG fans who adored the PS1+2, because right now the DS is looking like a more attractive platform for us, with DQ9 and being a fifth the price.

Dead hengest (1)

Merkwurdigeliebe (1046824) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629132)

How many times is this hengest going to be beaten to death again?

/. should just put up a game consoles shipped:/sold: ticker at the top. No need for daily update-fodder-cum-articles

Here we go again (2, Informative)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629314)

I'm amazed at how people still don't understand the concept of "shipped" units and how it pertains to sold. The vast majority of units sold will be sold through retailers using something called just in time inventory. They monitor how much of a product they have and how fast it is being sold and and use that to calculate when they will need to order more of a product and how much of it to order. If consoles are sitting on shelves then retailers aren't ordering any more from manufacturers. There is a small amount of lag there, but over the long term the method is plenty accurate (notice how nobody is comparing shipped PS2 units to sold PS2 units even though there are probably ten times more PS2's than PS3's sitting on shelves). The margin of error is negligible.

For console manufacturers shipped is sold. Since they have no control over the retail chain, their most accurate measurement of how consoles are selling is how many they are selling to retailers. This endless discussion over shipped vs sold is just plain ignorant. It's a perfectly acceptable method of tracking your inventory.

Re:Here we go again (3, Informative)

grogdamighty (884570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629752)

And your post, if not ignorant, is at least as naive.

While shipped==sold in the longterm, this is not necessarily true in the short-term. What we have here is the rather unique situation of a console launch, where console makers produce as much as they can and retailers get as much as they can to sell. At this point, made==shipped. On the other hand, if shipped != sold (or close to it) in this time period, it becomes apparent that demand is not as high as it should be - which is what is happening right now. Considering their original estimates of shipping 6 million by March assumed (as Kutaragi said) that 5 million people would buy the PS3 even if they didn't make any games for the system, it is fairly clear that a low demand (as seen in low sales) now will equate to an eventual lower shipping rate (with a lag between the launch and when retailers realize they're not selling out their whole stock).

Re:Here we go again (1)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630520)

Actually, for Sony, shipped is when it leaves their factory. For "Just in time" shipping, this could result in a possible high number of "shipped" (by their terms" units, that may not get to stores for some time, because they're being held in a warehouse or something.

Re:Here we go again (1)

Itchyeyes (908311) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630842)

I don't think that that lag is as long as you think it is. Most large scale retailers, like Best Buy and Walmart, have very sophisticated inventory systems in place. Millions and millions of dollars have been put into these systems to make sure that they can react as quickly as possible to market demands. Also, this is a time of year when retailers are trying to reduce inventory after the holiday glut. We're not going to be seeing any mountains of PS3's, like we did with the 360 in December, even if the supplies and demand are there. At any one point there will probably be a couple hundred thousand PS3's drifting through the retail chain. This may sound like a lot, but even at the analysts prediction of 4.5 million by the end of March, that's only a 4% margin of error.

What's more, the expectation that console manufacturers state units sold by retailers is ridiculous. As I stated before, the manufacturers have no control over the retail chain and they have no access to these numbers other than through third parties. It would be ridiculous for them to use monthly estimates (and they are estimates) from third party groups, like NPD, rather than their own internal numbers, which are up to the minute and exact.

While the difference between shipped and sold is apparently crucial immediately after a launch for all the fanboys wanting to push their system, in the big picture it is practically meaningless.

Re:Here we go again (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629774)

Actually, predicting how much of an initial shipment of a new product will sell, has a huge margin of error. If you know how to predict this number, people will pave you a road of gold if you tell them.

It's true that the method may be accurate in the long term ... but we're not in the long term yet, hence the dissatisfaction with "shipped" as opposed to "sold".

Re:Here we go again (1)

bigforearms (1051976) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630600)

I think yoiu don't understand what Just In Time inventory systems are. A JIT system involves receiving inventory only when you need it to fill orders and maintaining low-no stock levels. Dell does this by requiring suppliers to maintain stocks nearby that they can deliver multiple times PER DAY. Dell just orders when they have orders to fill.

Best Buy, Gamestop, et al. are not on a JIT system. They get shipments once a week usually. Sure, they try not to order more than what they're going to sell that week, but that's just the traditional inventory system, not JIT.

Playstation 3s sold quickly from the first shipment. These stores expected them to sell like hotcakes on subsequent orders, so they ordered a bunch. At least near me, I can go into a Best Buy and see a huge stack of them just sitting there. And Gamestop is having to resort to over-generous trade-in on PS2s to sell PS3s already.

So yeah, I'd say, especially under these circumstances, that shipped units are not a good predictor of sold units.

Re:BFD (2)

shlepp (796599) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629452)

Sony will need to release as many hit games as Microsoft has out on the 360, and well i hate to burst the -s3's bubble but UT2007 is coming to 360, so you can scratch that off the ps3's hit list as the 360 will have it as well. With GTA 4 coming to 360 as well, one of the most popular series of the Playstation2 wont be a ps3 only. Sony will really need to come up with something really really good that its console will have, that the 360 wont (but it has to be really good, like along the scale of Gears of War type of Hit). And i bet the 360 will get Crysis and Project Offset more then likely, and of course the 360 will get all of Carmacks new games. Honestly everything is in favor of the 360 except its fan base.

Re:BFD (1)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630080)

Who cares where UT2007 is going? That is still predominantly a PC game. Very easy to port to the 360 because of this. FPS's still, and likely never will, be that big a market segment on most consoles. Yes, controls have gotten better, but they still utterly suck compared to the control you get on a PC.

For some reason, the 360 has carved out a niche with FPS's and found a solid group of gamers that seem to enjoy FPS's on a console quite a bit. Couldn't tell you why, I've tried all the key suspects myself and still would never sit down at a 360 to play a FPS over my PC. But hey, it obviously works for some...thus there is a market there for UT2007. Not so much on the PS3.

That really says nothing about the potential success of the PS3 though. Just like Halo sells millions of xboxen on that title alone, FF sells millions of playstations, and will again. It'll have a lot more to do with the breadth and quality of the entire game library on a particular system...something that won't really be obvious for a year or two from now.

 

Split screen (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631370)

FPS's still, and likely never will, be that big a market segment on most consoles. Yes, controls have gotten better, but they still utterly suck compared to the control you get on a PC.

O-wiily? (I now see why you wrote "most".)

For some reason, the 360 has carved out a niche with FPS's and found a solid group of gamers that seem to enjoy FPS's on a console quite a bit. Couldn't tell you why

Because unlike the PC, the Xbox and Xbox 360 have titles that use split-screen mode, which means you need only one system and TV, not four systems and TVs.

Re:BFD (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629550)

"Sony needs to worry less about shipping PS3s and worry more about selling the ones that are already out there."

Yeah.. they should take all the assembly workers at the factories and put them into marketing.

Re:BFD (1)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629758)

Maybe there are still consumers that remember how the music branch of Sony treats there customers. Could the "Sony" name have become a liability?

Re:BFD (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630252)

that is one reason i don't buy sony.. the other is their laptops.. while other mfg's that put in card readers that are SD/MMC/Memory stick compatiable, sony only put in memory stick.. it is that type of attitude that will make them fall.

they are trying to be apple - only apple can pull off masive lockin but that is because they offer a it just works mentality - sony only offers it only works with our crap vision - and personaly the quality of their crap is and has been falling for years..

Re:BFD (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631232)

I thought PS3's "languishing" on shelves while Wiis sold out was a lot of hooey until I was at a local Target yesterday that had at least TWO PS3s on the PS3 shelf (there may have been units behind those, they were pulled forward and in a case, so I couldn't look and didn't care to anyway), and sold out of Wiis.

And I think back to those sad, impatient morons who paid thousands one month ago. Saps.

Re:BFD (0)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631510)

There aren't any PS3's out there! [bestbuy.com] . I've been trying to get one since launch date, and I still can't find any.

I know where they can get some (2, Funny)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628606)

That's OK. There are plenty sitting on the shelf at the local Wal-Mart that they could probably ship to less apathetic areas.

Re:I know where they can get some (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631406)

less apathetic areas

I hear they're really big in Holland.

-Eric

subject beaten to death?? (1)

Mowie_X (600765) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628634)

Maybe just slightly? You can't look at any of the major news sites, google news, etc... without Ps3/Wii/Xbox360 sales figures inundating you. How much of this actually matters to Joe Consumer? I speculate the only part of this that actually matters to most game buyers is that it'll be slightly easier to find a Ps3 on the shelves this Xmas than Wii.

Re:subject beaten to death?? (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628750)

Meh, if I were going to spend $600 on a video game console, I'd feel much better about it knowing that it was outselling all the other consoles 4:1, which would be a pretty good guarantee that it would see a ton of games in the future.

I don't think it's all over for the PS3 at this point, but things aren't looking great for them at the moment.

because (1)

Aurisor (932566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628772)

It matters because no matter how much Joe Consumer likes his PS3, if the console isn't met with some measure of success in the market at large, it's not going to get developer support and games are not going to materialize.

Couldn't resist (4, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628780)

So Sony's got a wii problem with their next-gen console.

So what? (4, Informative)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628802)

I went to purchase the newest Warioware game for Wii last night and saw a half dozen PS3's sitting on the shelves of my local Best Buy.

Who really cares how many consoles have been "shipped" ?

Re:So what? (1)

master_kaos (1027308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628914)

yes exactly. It would be interesting to see how many have actually been sold, and how many have been returned (from defects, ebay returns, etc) I am not biased or anything, I like any console that is really fun, and I can see myself owning a PS3 in a year or to. But so far I havent heard anything entirely positive about this console, but have heard barely anything negative about the Wii (besides PEBKAC err maybe it should be PEBTAR (TV And Remote)

Re:So what? (-1, Flamebait)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628936)

Sony is after our Hearts and Minds and will use unsold PS3's to rebuild the World Trade Center at 1:1 scale.... ...in every U.S. city.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17628970)

Oh look, the old Xbox astroturfer is back with a lameass attempt at FUD.

In January 2006 he made up stories about desperate but futile(because it's just so darn popular ya know!) searches for the Xbox 360.

In January 2007 he makes up stories about unsold PS3s...

So damn pathetic.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629110)

Oh look, the old PS3 astroturfer is back with a lameass attempt at FUD.

In January 2007 he made up stories about legitimate posters faking burgeoning supplies of PS3s at retailers across Japan and the US.

In January 2007 he thinks the PS3 is selling, despite widespread photographic evidence of the contrary...

So damn pathetic.

Re:So what? (1)

DingerX (847589) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629680)

In all fairness, he does have a point. GGP is an astroturfer, or at the very least a rabid fanboy. Just look at his previous posts.

I'm celebrating the PS3 demise too, and would love to see reliable reports about PS3s rusting on the shelves, but coming from someone with a posting record like his, the account is not trustworthy. Period.

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629062)

Who really cares how many consoles have been "shipped" ?

I care -- if the console you're talking about is the Wii, which has been selling out everywhere with no end in sight.

Luckily, I got one at launch, but what's keeping Nintendo from meeting the demand?

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629430)

what's keeping Nintendo from meeting the demand?


same thing that happens at every launch. Being able to produce enough units to satisfy launch demands would require one of two things. Either create the required number of units before hand (and just store them), or make sure your production facility can keep up with the inital demand.

The First idea is silly, once you have units that are sale ready, you almost always want to start shipping (storing them takes money, and the only reason nto to ship is if you could drive up demand high enough to counter balance that cost, something that is unlikely, especialy if you are not going to jack the price artaficaly).

The Second is also silly, though slightly less obviously so. If you production system can actualy churn out the number of units required, then you will end up with a production system that will go to waste once the demand dies down, and thus your inital investment required to get it up and running is really a waste.

Re:So what? (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629474)

Luckily, I got one at launch, but what's keeping Nintendo from meeting the demand?

Too much demand, I imagine. Nintendo's been trying to ramp up supply, but it's clear they didn't expect the Wii to catch on as quickly as it has.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629126)

Most people. Stores don't build up large inventories.
We there really *half dozen PS3's* there? WOW. Thats many!
Are you kidding or just being ignorant?

Poor Liddle Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17628902)

A year wasted with daily PS3 FUD stories - all for naught.

Nothing but bundles in stock:

http://ps3finder.com/ [ps3finder.com]

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629056)

Try again mate, from your link: Circuit City [circuitcity.com]

They have been instock for nearly a week now. They DO sell bundles (including one for resistance + a controller for $10 off the price, and that is actualy a rather good bundle in my mind).

PS3 is choking up atm. If mroe games get released, it can still make a good come back, but it is down to "wait and see"

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629124)

Bzzt!

Just tried to order and it is out of stock there too.

Best Buy - out of stock.
Amazon - out of stock.
Future Shop in Canada - out of stock.
Every Los Angeles retailer - out of stock.

The only place you can get a PS3 in LA is with an expensive bundle at Frys.

You lose.

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629268)

That is interesting. (assumign you are not just being a troll).

I just went through (As far as I could with out actualy giving them any info), and I can have it shipped to me, or pick it up from about 6 locations (NYC). Admitedly they ARE out of stock of Resistance:FoM apparently (I can order one bundle, but not the R:FoM. one).

I actualy just tooled around and tested out LA zips (both Los Angeles and Louisiana), and I could have it shipped to either, pick it up from 5 locations in the state, and 1 location in the city.

I call troll, have a nice day :)

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

Mark Maughan (763986) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629884)

On Best Buy I get
Shipping: Sold Out
Store Pickup: Not Available
for everything including the bundles

Amazon.com will only refer me some Amazon ebay shit, they don't actually have any themself.

Walmart only has 700-900 dollar bundles in stock and they are limited one per customer. Fuck that.

I don't have those other stores, so there's no point in me trying them.

By the time games and Bluray movies come out that I want, I'm sure I be able to get one somewhere. I'm a very patient person.

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629178)

Nothing but bundles in stock:

I sincerely doubt that. I was just in Gamestop on Sunday (a non-shipment day) asking if they knew when they'd get more Wiis. They didn't know, but they had PS3s if I wanted one.

I've heard dozens of similar reports from other shoppers, including massive stocks of PS3s in Austin, TX stores. (Apparently, the stores were trying to sell their PS3s as bundles, but eventually had to unbundle them to start unloading the units. This left them with a rather sizable overstock.) So you might as well accept the reality, the PS3 isn't selling all that well at the moment.

That being said, the release of Final Fantasy and White Knight will start driving more sales sometime in the not-to-distant-future. So you don't have to given up hope quite yet. Wait until next Christmas to see if Sony lowers the price. If they don't, well... it will not be a good day for Sony fans. :-/

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629388)

You dimwitted cocksucker.

The PS3 is already selling at a faster rate than the all time best selling console, the PS2. PS3s have been on a constant air freight resupply cycle for over a month now. PS3 are selling out and being resupplied on a constant two to three day cycle for retailers. Online stores can't keep PS3s in stock for more than a hour at a time as restock shows up.

You got that you miserable fucking troll? God how I am going to love the next three months now that Sony has PS3 production almost up to full capacity in both their main factories.

PS. Wii?? What a fucking retard.

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629818)

Online stores can't keep PS3s in stock for more than a hour at a time as restock shows up. You got that you miserable fucking troll?

I see that you're afflicted with a metal disorder. No worries, mate, we believe in healing around these parts! Can I hear an AMEN out there?

<Faith-Service-Pastor>
There ain't nothin' that God can't heal, my poor man! Hallelujah! Let's all pray for this poor fellow, bring the heeeeaaaling of Jesus on his poor soul! I can feel it working now, my friend. Oh yes, Lord Jesus. Hallelujah! We'll make you right as rain, my friend.

'Cause this train is bound for glory, this train.
This train is bound for glory, this train!
This is bound for GLOR-A
Don't ride nothing but the holy.
This train is bound for glory, this train!
Can ya' feel the Holy Spirit moving my boy? Can you FEEL it??! Let's get up and DANCE boy! DANCE! Whoo!
</Faith-Service-Pastor>

Nothing like a traditional Penecostal service to get the blood pumping and the healing, goin', eh? Feel better now? :P

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629690)

Heck, I was in EB one day and decided to ask about the PS3. I asked to look at the box, and they got one unit out for me. The manager, inside, who was curious what was happeneing saw the PS3 being moved and said "Get those PS3s outta here!". Sorta implies that even EBGames has a ton of them taking up a good chunk of their stockroom. It's almost pointless asking if stores have them in stock as they almost invariably do.

(That say day, the same clerk yelled out "We do NOT have Wiis, if you're lining up to ask. We do NOT know when we're getting some in!").

And I suspect that Wii quantities shipped to stores probably double what PS3 quantities are shipped... they may get 18 PS3s, and 37 Wiis, and the Wiis still sell out instantly.

Re:Poor Liddle Zonk (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629852)

Neither of these two games is coming out until 2008. They're not going to be out Christmas 2007, and this has been known for quite a while.

ATTN: Slashdot Editors (3, Insightful)

skymt (968075) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628924)

Please stop reporting on the numbers that analysts pull out of their hats. It's not news, it's a guess. /dev/random would be just as good as these clowns at predicting sales numbers.

Re:ATTN: Slashdot Editors (1)

techpawn (969834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629038)

Oh! Hats! and here I thought those guys stored their numbers elseware...

Re:ATTN: Slashdot Editors (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629596)

There's a good reason that "analysts" starts with "anal".

Re:ATTN: Slashdot Editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629582)

The only analyst numbers in the article are Nomura's expectations that Sony will only ship 4.5M units. Everything else is hard fact - Sony says it shipped 2M units, NPD says that only XYZ units sold.

The presence of the word 'analyst' does not immediately invalidate the entire story.

Shipping more? (2, Insightful)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628932)

The mountain of 60 PS3's piled up inside the front doors of the local Best Buy for the past week tells me that shipping them should not be as high a priority as giving people a reason to buy them.

Re:Shipping more? (3, Informative)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629302)

*lowers voice to whisper* Those are display boxes, they don't actually have a console inside of them.

Re:Shipping more? (2, Insightful)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629622)

Bingo! Give the man a carrot!

That's called an "in-store display".

Re:Shipping more? (1)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630646)

uh... yes they do... you can pick one up and go straight to the checkout with it... trust me...

Re:Shipping more? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630800)

Those are display boxes, they don't actually have a console inside of them.

While obviously I don't expect them to take one of the empty boxes off the pyramid every time a customer purchases a PS3, I would imagine that retailers would want to keep the number of boxes on display pretty close to the number of units actually available for purchase.

The salesperson isn't going to enjoy being in a position where he has to tell an expectant customer "Sorry, we are sold out of those, I know it looks like there's a stack of 20 of them right there but those are just fakes for show." It doesn't promote customer trust.

Fake boxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629552)

That's just box filler, a store only ever has a few in stock at any time to minimize inventory, but they pile up sampler boxes to induce the buying effect.

Anything above $50 that isn't on a special discount is done like this. So a product in 40,000 stores that's expected to sell 4 million in the first year, only sells one every 3 days on average. Since they get weekly shipments, they only carry between 1 and 10 in stock depending on store size. But they want the display to look impressive, even if they only have 1 in stock.

9 weeks (2, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628974)

We are 9 weeks from the launch. Some perspective is needed.

Re:9 weeks (2, Funny)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630730)

I hear things get significantly hotter in another 1/2 week. Patience my man, patience.

Good bye, Sony (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#17628988)

All I can say is, how does Sega's revenge for what you did to the Dreamcast feel? This time, two much better consoles have firmly kicked Sony where it hurts. We'll know that Sony is finally done for when Final Fantasy XIII is cross-platform.

Re:Good bye, Sony (2, Funny)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629476)

Yes, Segas two pronged attack of the 360 and the Wii seems to be having a great effect. It was very clever of the Sega to break up into two companies, Microsoft and Nintendo.

Heh, I loved the dreamcast as well, but lets not get away with ourselves here.

Sega games on Xbox and GameCube (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631954)

Segas two pronged attack of the 360 and the Wii seems to be having a great effect. It was very clever of the Sega to break up into two companies, Microsoft and Nintendo.

You attempt sarcasm. But Sega has in fact broke up its efforts and developed several games for Xbox and GameCube, and I imagine that Sega's Wiimote-controlled exclusive titles will draw money away from titles for Sony's platform.

Re:Good bye, Sony (1)

smash (1351) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629880)

Might i point out that my dreamcast (that I actually purchased *after* my PS2) is broken. My PS2 is not.

Doomcasting? (3, Funny)

2008 (900939) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629050)

That sounds awesome. What level do I have to be to cast that spell?

Re:Doomcasting? (4, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630180)

That sounds awesome. What level do I have to be to cast that spell?

Level 14 Market Analyst
+ Bonus to dexterity for rapidly being able to shift your position
+ Bonus to constitution for spouting bullshit all day
+ Bonus to charisma for being a sweet talker. Extra bonus for tech mags
- Penalty to strength since you just talk, you don't do anything
- You're an insult to intelligence and wisdom

Still want to play?

Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629080)

Ten bucks off your next Xbox 360 defective unit replacement fee for the Xbot with the best and most inventive 'I saw unsold PS3s' story!

Come on, don't just make it booring, put some effort into the stories guys.

Here's some examples:

1) Describe how the units were dusty - amateur colour but still better than the average PS3 on shelves troll

2) The 'overheard' gamer/family colour to your stories where you try to work your FUD into a touching and ominous for Sony narrative

3) The 'sales clerk report' colour where you talk about how only one unit has been sold since Christmas

Those are just for starters, you can do better! Don't be average with your PS3 trolls!

Re:Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (3, Informative)

greenrom (576281) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629526)

Ten bucks off your next Xbox 360 defective unit replacement fee for the Xbot with the best and most inventive 'I saw unsold PS3s' story!

You might want to adjust your prize. Right now the defective unit replacement fee is $0. I bought a 360 at launch in November 2005. I think it was supposed to have a 90 day warranty. Last week mine started locking up after a few minutes of playing it. I think a fan quit. Anyway, I called Microsoft and they're replacing it for free even though it's over a year old. The phone rep said that they're currently treating all 360 units as if they were under warranty no matter when the unit was purchased. Maybe they have a design defect. Maybe they're just trying to compete with better customer service. Either way, I was happy.

I don't have a good "PS3 sitting on shelves" story, because I haven't seen any so I guess I wouldn't win the prize anyway. There really haven't been enough PS3s shipped to gauge demand. I don't think the PS3 will be the next Dreamcast. Even if there isn't enough demand at the current pricing levels, Sony will probably drop the price after doing some cost reductions. Still, I don't expect PS3 to reach the same marketshare as PS2. PS2's dominance of the market would be hard for any console to top.

Re:Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (2, Insightful)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629632)

I have a better idea. How about someone post one of these:

-A picture of an unsold Wii in a store.
-A Wii ebay auction (not buy-it-now, an auction) ending at or below retail.
-A PS3 ebay auction WITH ACTUAL BIDS ending above retail.

Re:Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629976)

Personally, I think these stories of Sony being able to meet demand are great. Maybe they'll actually get a few over here to the UK at some point in the future.

Re:Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630796)

heh, It is nice to see some of our friends in the UK still have a sense of humour. Actualy gettign a console at or around release?
hahaha, I laugh!

Gettign games at or around launch?
hahaha, I laugh!

(please ignore that the Wii was released around the world with in a few weeks, and that those damn dirty apes in the UK already have Wii Play, where us poor slobs in the USA still don't)

Re:Prize For Best Made Up 'PS3 On Shelves' Story (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631334)

My current bugbear with that one is that all of my US mates have got a serious envy for the fact that there's a HD-DVD copy of Harry Potter & The Goblet Of Fire on the shelf here, while I'm rather more concerned with the fact that at least they have machines that would play it; the XBox 360's add-on drive is like hen's teeth in the UK.

Surprise Surprise! (1)

adamstew (909658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629106)

Surprise Surprise! They aren't selling any consoles that are too expensive for people to be able to afford!

and they wonder why the Wii (which is twice as fun and half the price) is kicking their asses. Or why the 360, which is just as much fun and still almost 1/2 the price, is kicking their asses.

People just aren't convinced to buy in to their blueray premium.

The Wii has better game play...especially for beginners. And the 360 blows anything out of the water for online play.

Sony is Japanese for Evil.

Re:Surprise Surprise! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17629342)

Fun is subjective. Your a douche!!

Re:Surprise Surprise! (1)

adamstew (909658) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629620)

You are right, fun is subjective. But it is also possible to generalize it as well: ex: Going to an amusement park is fun! Getting stabbed in the eye is not fun. Sure...you will find (very) few people who enjoy getting stabbed in the eye...but in general, it's not fun. Same with an amusement park...you will find some people who don't find them fun. But in general...most people enjoy an amusement park, and most people don't enjoy getting stabbed in the eye. Same with the Wii and PS3. Not to say that the PS3 isn't fun...Most people just haven't found it $500 worth of fun. And I do believe it is safe to say that most people, especially your average Joe, would consider the Wii to be more fun to play than the PS3. Combine the fact that most people find the Wii more fun to play, with it being less than 1/2 the price of the PS3, and the games are cheaper...it's a no brainer for most.

PS3 is an excellent console (1)

nbahi15 (163501) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629344)

I don't think having consoles on the shelves is a meaningful judge of anything. The PS3 costs twice what a Wii does, it has very few games right now, and Sony has gotten itself together on the manufacturing front.

I have the Wii and the PS3. I downloaded the Gran Turismo HD demo and it is amazing. I sometimes get distracted by the spectators. The PS3 has already forced me to buy an HD TV, and about 4 Blu-Ray titles. Blu-ray movies are lovely.

The Wii is a nice console, but frankly I find Zelda monotonous. I hope they come out with a Pikmin game for the Wii. The thing I use the Wii the most for is the weather. The Wiimote is interesting technology but I don't think they will have a monopoly on the design/usage of a pointing wand for very long.

So it is going to be a little hard to tell who is winning at this point. Really we should suspend all discussions of winning and losing for a year. Especially considering Sony's play in the console market is really long-term and given the PS2 was the number one selling console over Christmas, my guess is the game is far from over.

Re:PS3 is an excellent console (2, Informative)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631168)

The Wiimote is interesting technology but I don't think they will have a monopoly on the design/usage of a pointing wand for very long.

Given the number of patents Nintendo holds on the technologies and design elements of the Wii Remote, it could very well be a while before any other console has a controller that can match it.

And even if there eventually is one, I don't know that the first-to-market phenomenon could be overcome. Today, if a publisher wants to build a game around touchscreen input, they're going to target it to the DS. If they want a game focused on spatial control, it's going to be a Wii title. I don't know what kinds of incentive the competition is going to be able to offer publishers to get them to switch away from Nintendo for those types of titles.

Games? (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629472)

What about games?

What a Slashdotters AND happy owners ("happy" is requirement) of PS3 can say about games? What can you recommend to old fan of Tetris and Nethack.

For fun I have bought Wii - first console of PC casual gamer - but now I want more visual dense experience, and PS3/Xbox360 looks to me interesting. I do not like complicated games - like Mario - which might require full day of training just for one particular level. What I need - is a games for a evening, something I can play for one hour or so at time and make some progress.

Hm. Well, PS2 recommendation are also welcome.

Re:Games? (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629656)

Ridge Racer 6 on 360 (or it's almost identical but uglier cousin RR7 on PS3) would be ideal, the entire world tour is a "map" of races. You could attempt and complete 1 at a time in about 10 mins (assuming you pass) and make "Some progress".

Amped 3 on 360 is another one where you can pick and choose your challenges for the hour you want to play.

Tomb Raider Legend is a short (but also cheap) game but your hour will allow you to complete most of the levels and you can save if you fail, either way you've made some progress.

Re:Games? (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#17629780)

I've heard that Viva Pinata for the 360 is beautiful, addictive, and has a relatively shallow learning curve.

Also, Guitar Hero II for the PS2 is like crack cocaine.

Re:Games? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630386)

Yes, crack cocaine that leads to painful cramps in your hands.

Re:Games? (1)

deathsquirrel (956752) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630478)

Viva Pinata is an evil, time-sucking beast. I love it though it's darn hard to shut that garden down at the end of a game session!

Re:Games? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630122)

You're the first person I've ever heard referring to Mario as "complicated". I will admit that it has gotten more involved and complex with the transition into 3D, but now the game itself tends to be broken up in such a way that you can accomplish small goals in ten minutes or less. That's why there are 120 stars in SM64, and 120 Shine Sprites and all those blue coins in Super Mario Sunshine. You get one, you save, you're done if you want. No level in that game takes more than ten minutes to play unless you get into the die-restart cycle.

And those die-restart levels and the more involved ones (Super Mario Sunshine's "Yoshi's Fruit Adventure", I'm looking at you...) don't have to be completed. You can finish the game without them. It's just more challenge levels for completionists.

Re:Games? (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630510)

You're the first person I've ever heard referring to Mario as "complicated".

I have New Mario on DS and it is unplayable. Even excluding the "portable" aspect of DS, Mario requires some good concentration - something I lack after 8-9 hours in office. Needless to say, playing Mario while outside is impossible due to all distractions around. And I have heard from profis that DS version is easier than GameCube one. Well, Okay, I always lack concentration - but somehow it affects Mario worst. (And DS version doesn't let you save when you want.)

Probably it is good for kids who seem to have abundance of energy always.

Re:Games? (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631780)

DS version doesn't let you save when you want.
The DS version saves whenever you do anything important, like get a star, open a new level, etc. It can't save within levels, but they're not that long so it doesn't take much time to get back where ever you got stuck.

As far as simple games, if Mario is complicated then I'd go with Wario Ware and Super Swing Golf and other simple looking Wii games. I can't think of a Playstation or Xbox game that is less complicated than Mario.

Re:Games? (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630144)

I only get to play in bursts of an hour or so, too. Games I've been playing a lot of on the 360 are mainly Project Gotham Racing 3 (none of the races are longer than about 10 minutes or so), Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved (old-school 2D shmup with fancy neon vectors, gets insanely hectic after about two minutes) and Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfare (sensibly placed autosave points mean you can genuinely get somewhere in 20 minutes play, and the tactical pace means you don't need to be twitch genius on the aiming).

If you like your puzzle games, Hexic (from the guy who invented Tetris) is pretty damn good, but liable to go on a bit in the main mode. There are harder ones for when you don't have time, though. Zuma is also far better on the analogue pad than the PC's mouse controls, for my money, and allows you to save your position mid-game.

Re:Games? (1)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630356)

A day for a level in Mario? Perhaps if you're blind and playing by audio description, otherwise I'd say more like 10-30 minutes per level.

Hi-larious (1)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631956)

It seemed only like 2 months ago people were camping overnight and threatening each others lives for a PS3.

And now they are gathering dust on sales shelves.

You gotta admit, this is funny. Once again, the stories about the Playstation 3 have entertained me more than the console itself, for much less than $600.

I'll be replacing my entertainment derived from the (nonexistant) Phantom console and my Gizmondo portable for the PS3. C'mon Sony, make some more silly PR statements like "The 360 costs too much!" or something like the former Iraqi information minister would say.
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