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Skype Founders Develop Media Streaming Tech

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the what's-a-joost dept.

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[RnP]Venom writes "It appears that after selling Skype to Ebay, Skype founders Janus and Niklas haven't been resting on their laurels. As reported by ZDNet, and the International Herald Tribune, they have been hard at work developing a new TV streaming application called Joost. With as little as 6,000 people currently testing the project details are a bit scarce, but if it does remotely as well as their Phone/IM success, it could be a real treat. From the IHT article: 'Joost may eventually try to move onto television sets, but the company said it will initially focus on making it easier and more fun to watch TV on a computer. Similar to the Skype model, Joost users will download free software -- this time to help them browse for channels and clips they're interested in. One of the company's executives, Henrik Werdelin, said in a videotaped interview that Joost aims to keep the quality of television programming, its picture quality and its ease of use, but improve other aspects.'"

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AKA The Venice Project (2, Informative)

AnriL (657435) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630658)

They just changed the name from "The Venice Project" to Joowhatever. Not much new developement to write about.

Ahem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630686)

Where's the fucking source code? And is it not patented, so that others can use it or build upon it? You just know that it's full of the usual corporate software bullshit.

56k Modems? (4, Interesting)

NaeRey (944457) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630702)

Will it work on those too? Or it's another "5Gb Internet connection needed" ?

Re:56k Modems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17631064)

Will it work on those too? Or it's another "5Gb Internet connection needed" ?


Streaming video over dial-up is just not possible. Unless perhaps the resolution is 80x60 and frame rate is 2fps.

Myself, I have to use flashblock and disable images in Firefox to browse the web with any efficiency these days. You'd be suprised how many pages have absolutely zero text on them whatsoever, using only flash and images to deliver content. Tards.

(however, I have to allow images from images.slashdot.org for the captcha to post anonymously here)

Re:56k Modems? (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631530)

Actually, I do it at 80x24, using mplayer and aalib [wikipedia.org] .

it does suck (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17636124)

I just recently was able to get off dialup and man, I feel your pain, I have seen way too many of those useless blob pages-nothing there! Turn off insecure JS scripting, images and flash and -nothing on the page!

    It seems web"masters" might test against different browsers, but they sure don't test against different connection speeds or with lower quality even marginally older equipment. It's likie a t a minimum you have to be on a cable modem with a 21 inch screen or they don't want you to use your page at all or something. Screw that! I remember seeing pages where it took more than a minute to finish rendering if you wanted all the goodies to show up. sucks. A real "master" could make it so a much wider range of people using different machines and connection speeds could use his pages.

  Then,if all you want is the text, it still sucks, the "print this page" low-res version (even if they have it) can't be found until after you download the full page. I wish there was an automatic plugin and standard for that, so if you mash a link and have low res selected it would just redirect there. Why isn't this out there yet? Seems pretty useful. Maybe the disabled community could force the issue or something, seems a natural for them as well.

      I think they should make all of these alleged "masters" (I call them web manglers) test against dialup speeds on a 15 inch screen with some machine from around 5 years ago. Those era computers are still way common. Either that or follow "useabilty" guidelines, that helps make dialup useable, like stop with the lame javascript links and images with no alt text. Is it all that hard really to provide real normal links and some alternative text for the images?

Anyway, lookup "links-hacked", try that for a generic browser instead of FF on slow dialup speeds. Even if you have the horsepower in your machine, the slow download speed makes it painful to use full bloat browsers (FF is full bloat no matter what anyone says, it just is) on full bloat webpages. It has some tab action and will render images. I've used it on old pentium 1 machines before with 16 megs RAM, works great, speeds things up considerably, moreso than any other browser I have tried. It's not perfect but it is darn useful.

Re:56k Modems? (2, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631210)

No problem. You just need to install the And Here a Miracle Happens plugin.

KFG

Re:56k Modems? (5, Insightful)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631930)

I doubt it'll work on a C64 either.

Sometimes you just have to accept that the cool new thing MIGHT just need technology from this decade.

Re:56k Modems? (2, Informative)

dirkx (540136) | more than 7 years ago | (#17633688)

Works swimmingly well on an EDVO modem stuck into an IBM ThinkPad in New York City. Dw.

Re:56k Modems? (1)

mixenmaxen (857917) | more than 7 years ago | (#17634524)

In a word: no.

I have been in the betatest, I have an 8mb connection that I share with 4 others, on which it works ok, but it seems like it would not fare so well with a connection much less than that.

Re:Re:56k Modems? (1)

NaeRey (944457) | more than 7 years ago | (#17634950)

neat, my connection is 1Mb/s , and it's going to stay like that for a loooong time.
Yeah, Italy sucks :(

In reply to others, few 'advances' got widespread if they require too much resources.

Re:56k Modems? (1)

asrail (946132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17640882)

Well... I could tell you if it'd run on Linux.

But they say you need at least 1Gb to run it.

Guy, it's a TV, you wouldn't use it if you had only 56k.
No way.

it makes sense... (1)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630714)

Skype Founders Develop Media Streaming Tech

An obvious progression, as skype, which uses screaming media tech, was a huge success.

Re:it makes sense... (4, Interesting)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630822)

And Skype itself was an obvious progression from P2P media transfer.

These are the same guys that did Kazaa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype for the curious

As little as 6,000? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630734)

With as little as 6,000 people currently testing the project details are a bit scarce...


Sounds like a pretty large and widespread test to me. I do not consider 6000 people a small number.

I still will never trust the developers of Kazaa. Spyware/Malware bundlers just cannot be trusted, ever.

I tell people to avoid Skype like the plague. TeamSpeak and the old RogerWilco still work just fine for me and I know that they do not contain any malware. I cannot say the same for Kazaa spinoff turds.

Sounds like... (4, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630738)

Sounds like Democracy [getdemocracy.com] . Except Democracy is an open platform (I assume this new thing will not be).

Re:Sounds like... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631118)

Nope sounds nothing like democracy as democracy uses rss feeds and downloads the content to watch at your leisure.

Streaming is only useful for Live events or things you want to keep out of the hands of those dirty nasty evil users. Here, watch but DONT TOUCH!

Streaming is useless for anything but live, I want to watch on my time, when I want to, on my devices. I cant stream to a ipod,iriver, or mpeg4 player while on the road.

Democracy player is great, but it certianly is not crippled by streaming.

Re:Sounds like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17631560)

That could change with the iPhone. What if you could combine the downloaded podcasts with real time streaming (News and things like that)

streaming has it's place (2, Interesting)

teh_chrizzle (963897) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631894)

or rather, it would have it's place if it's current implementations didn't suck so bad.

i wish that some provider (other than bittorrent) could come up with a way to get releases out on par and on time with a DVD release. most movies i want to watch once or twice and then move on. renting from the video store is ok, but there are logistical hurdles such as avalaibility. if there were a service that could put movies on my HTPC within a day or two of their respective DVDs dropping, i would be quite interested.

the way the system works now, i have to get a disc from netflix/blockbuster online or go to the video store and rent it, which would work if i could get the disc when i walked into the store, but if it is a very recent release (less than a week) it's out of stock and i have to wait. my alternatives are to get a rip of some sort from bit torrent, but there are 0dayz issues with that much akin to the avalability issues i have with physical media. unless there is a screener or the DVDrip hits the scene before the retail release, the wait is shorter, but involves a bit more work (download, seed, extract, maybe even patch and/or encode, then burn) which is fine for something you want to keep, but is a bit involved for something i'm gong to watch once and hand off to friend.

so, if i could get a cheap stream with little or no wait, within a day or two of the video hitting store shelves i would be interested. if the quality of the film warrants it, i can obtain a copy later by other means and under other terms based on convenience and price (BT, rent and rip, used/bargain bin, or gaffle a friend's copy), and in the rare case of an epic classic, pay retail for a copy or a kewl box set. but for TV series and disposable releases like "dude where's my car?" i just want to watch it when it becomes available and move on to the next thing. that seems to be where streaming from the internet comes into play.

the problem with the current crop of stream/dowload.on demand services is that they all suck. they either lack selection (vongo), lack timely release (in the case of PPV and VOD from the cable company) or require some sort of phone home player that i don't want on my HTPC (everything else), and/or cost as much as a video store rental.

BT works just fine. (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632436)

All you really need is a BT client designed to hide all the complexity of finding content and downloading with BT, an associated server farm that makes sure the torrent is always well seeded by fast machines (for paying clients), and some tweaks to make BT favor sending files start to end in case of media files that can be streamed.

My solution is a BT client implemented as a signed Java applet. You don't even have to install special software on your computer - just visit my website. I cheat and don't make it easy for people to stop sharing files they've downloaded and I do things to make them want to stay hooked up so that as much as possible the users foot the bandwidth needs. Now if only I had funding. ;)

Re:Sounds like... (1)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | more than 7 years ago | (#17634746)

Democracy is a nice app, but is there anything worth watching apart from the rather brilliant "Make" Weekend Projects?

Rich.

(Genuinely curious BTW)

Re:Sounds like... (1)

Incadenza (560402) | more than 7 years ago | (#17636948)

Democracy doesn't limit you to the channels it offers, it is also a nice app to download all the movies from a given webpage. Just add the page's URL as a channel - Democracy will complain about the rotten format, but it will download all the clips. Much easier IMHO than downloading and opening in VLC - at least Democracy automatically expires the files on your HD, I am lousy at that myself.

Re:Sounds like... (1)

modir (66559) | more than 7 years ago | (#17636082)

well, I would say it sounds more like http://www.zattoo.com/ [zattoo.com]

Bittorrent and the BBC (3, Interesting)

hkwatergypsy (589951) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630784)

With so many different delivery systems starting to get good, legal content and both the big tech companies and the content producers joining the fight this should be interesting. Now if only we could get around the DRM that limits most content to windows machines.

Re:Bittorrent and the BBC (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630888)

can you say real?

Re:Bittorrent and the BBC (2, Informative)

roger6106 (847020) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632030)

From the Joost FAQ [joost.com] :

Does Joost(TM) work on the Mac or Linux?

We're working hard on a native Macintosh Intel version and expect it to be available in the next few months. Currently the application works fine under Bootcamp but not under Parallels; it needs to access the graphics processing unit (GPU) for some of its operations, and Parallels does not support that at the moment.

A Linux version is also in the works.

Content? (4, Insightful)

moonbender (547943) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630790)

This has been on Slashdot a couple of times before. I'm wondering where they'll get the content from. In fact, I'm not sure who sources the content in a technical sense. Since it's those guys, I'd assume the source is a peer, and not a central server. Or is it a central server, with peers just helping with the distribution?

Anyway, they'll have a hard time delivering a TV like experience without TV like content. Purely YouTube style short movies won't cut it. Maybe they're building on the peers redistributing copyrighted content, but that didn't work out to well in the end for Kazaa.

Maybe they'll convince movie/TV studios to distribute their content, but what's in it for them? Ads?

Re:Content? (4, Interesting)

WhoDaCapFits (949104) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631310)

They're actively creating partnerships with tv networks and movie studios, in exchange for a split of ad revenue. I actually work for one of the TV networks they're in talks with.

Re:Content? (1)

tim90402 (1040444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17633524)

Content producers won't show up until there is an audience, but the audience won't show up until there is content. I have a hard time seeing how Joost inserts themselves in the middle of this equation. What do they bring to the party? Maybe they can build an initial audience by distributing stolen content or free porn.

Re:Content? (1)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 7 years ago | (#17635212)

Why not - isn't that essentially what YouTube did - then sell the whole mess for $1B or so and pass the legal trouble on to someone else!

We just had this article earlier (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630810)

Filed under "hot air"

Nothing to get juiced about (3, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630854)

Skype Founders Develop Media Streaming Tech
Maybe it's just my imagination kicking in... but don't we already have media streaming already?

When Skype developed their phone/IM software, voice over IP was in its infancy. Skype was leading edge stuff. However, the internet has had video streaming for a while now. I don't see how this is going to fly, unless they're cutting some deals with the studios to get some content, or have some spiffy new compression algorithm.

Re:Nothing to get juiced about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17630980)

When Skype developed their phone/IM software, voice over IP was in its infancy. Skype was leading edge stuff.


Bullshit. I have RogerWilco installs that date back to '94. It is still a superior technology.

Re:Nothing to get juiced about (1)

heper (1031798) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631412)

is this the part where coders get killed for the code of this global media streaming service ?

I saw a documentary bout this i believe: hackers 3 Antitrust

Re:Nothing to get juiced about (1)

benjaminchoate (593966) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632224)

The headline is a little misleading. It's not just streaming media, it's peer-to-peer streaming media.

I recall another project that attempted the same thing a couple of years ago, but didn't seem to pull it off very well.

This is an area that has a lot of potential.

Re:Nothing to get juiced about (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 7 years ago | (#17633222)

Well, given that it has taken me two months to download 10G worth of a 12G torrent, I don't hold out much hope for p2p streaming. Give me a raw stream. It'll be faster.

Re:Nothing to get juiced about (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 7 years ago | (#17638624)

There are quite a few [wikipedia.org] p2p TV applications, most of them seem to come from China.

Those lousy Joost (1)

hirschma (187820) | more than 7 years ago | (#17630892)

It could be true, one day, that Joost really do(es) control the media.

(Bad joke from one of the Joost, BTW)

Re:Those lousy Joost (1)

sdsichero (859332) | more than 7 years ago | (#17638370)

No Joost here, but for some reason that word sounds nasty... Not sure why...

Bandwidth Usage (5, Informative)

emil10001 (985596) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631082)

The following is off the Joost FAQ Page [joost.com] (requires a login ID):

Joost(TM) is a streaming video application, and so uses a relatively high amount of bandwidth per hour. In one hour of viewing, approximately 320Mb data will be downloaded and 105Mb uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1Gb cap in 10 hours. Also, the application continues to run in the background after you close the main window. For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte or have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to always exit Joost(TM) client completely when you are finished watching it.

More reasons for Net Admins to curse (5, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631086)

You think skype uses bandwidth, wait till users using this get on your corporate network and get selected as "super nodes".....

Re:More reasons for Net Admins to curse (1)

martin (1336) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631578)

heh - you been reading the NANOG email list thread too huh??

sigh ... just two very unethical developers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17631270)

imagine how much better Kazaa and Skype would have been had they supported open standards

it's people like these that sell us all down the river

videotaped ? (1)

tehtest (995812) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631282)

They really videotaped the interview? Seems pretty crappy to use friggen videotape when your in the streaming video business.... wtf???

never leave your computer (1)

Slaughter'em (976836) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631320)

All that is needed now is a mobile toilet or something and you won't have to leave your computer.

EvAR!

Of course, I guess you could wear depends.

What? They want it to be shit? (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631376)

One of the company's executives, Henrik Werdelin, said in a videotaped interview that Joost aims to keep the quality of television programming, its picture quality and its ease of use, but improve other aspects.'"
So they want to leave the shit bit as shit but make more shit available more conveniently? Great plan.

What is that people have with trying to "wed TV to the PC"? TV is pretty much crap, the more channels the more crap, it has little to commend it. The nice thing about the Internet is that it's easier to avoid crap. What's really needed is an easy way for people to automatically filter out the 98% of TV that should never have been made in the first place.
 

Re:What? They want it to be shit? (2, Interesting)

JeTmAn81 (836217) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631498)

A lot of TV may be crap, but there's still enough quality TV that I can't even watch it all and keep a reasonable schedule of doing other things. That's good enough for me. If you don't like it, don't watch it or talk about it.

TrolLkOre (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17631386)

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The real reason I don't watch television... (1)

Joelfabulous (1045392) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631646)

Most television programming sucks. (Note how I said most, not all.) They probably have something going with the whole 'watch when you want to watch' streaming method, but isn't that the luxury of the internet? I choose what content I want to view, when I want to view it. It sounds very similar to TiVo and the like, except it runs off a computer. I could be overgeneralizing or mistaken, but I doubt that this whole 'streaming revolution' will really change my lack of interest in generic television, movies, and music.

Invitations to Beta Test (1)

ThePopeLayton (868042) | more than 7 years ago | (#17631668)

I applied to be a beta tester and after I finished my application this was posted
Try getting hold of an invitation from another tester. All new beta-testers now get tokens allowing them to invite friends and acquaintances, and these tokens will give you instant access to Joost
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It seems as though they are following in the steps of GMail and building a customer base via exclusive invitation.

Finally registered... (1)

CrankyOldFart (1052008) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632004)

Maybe my comments will be seen now. (And I don't have to accept images from images.slashdot.org to post anymore! Yay!)
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My comments on this thread so far:
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Will it work on those too? Or it's another "5Gb Internet connection needed" ?

Streaming video over dial-up is just not possible. Unless perhaps the resolution is 80x60 and frame rate is 2fps.

Myself, I have to use flashblock and disable images in Firefox to browse the web with any efficiency these days. You'd be suprised how many pages have absolutely zero text on them whatsoever, using only flash and images to deliver content. Tards.

(however, I have to allow images from images.slashdot.org for the captcha to post anonymously here)
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With as little as 6,000 people currently testing the project details are a bit scarce...

Sounds like a pretty large and widespread test to me. I do not consider 6000 people a small number.

I still will never trust the developers of Kazaa. Spyware/Malware bundlers just cannot be trusted, ever.

I tell people to avoid Skype like the plague. TeamSpeak and the old RogerWilco still work just fine for me and I know that they do not contain any malware. I cannot say the same for Kazaa spinoff turds.
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When Skype developed their phone/IM software, voice over IP was in its infancy. Skype was leading edge stuff.

Bullshit. I have RogerWilco installs that date back to '94. It is still a superior technology.

Re:Finally registered... (2, Informative)

benjaminchoate (593966) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632482)

I still will never trust the developers of Kazaa. Spyware/Malware bundlers just cannot be trusted, ever.

Kazaa did not contain spyware/malware until it was bought by Sharman Networks. Skype is a very well made program. Can you use Roger Wilco to call a landline? Can you get a phone number assigned to Roger Wilco and call someone on their computer? How about popping into chat mode and sending a file or url?

You don't have to love them or use their products, but IMO they have been putting out some very good, easy to use products and deserve some credit for innovative ideas, and their ability to take those ideas and turn them into a really smooth piece of tech.

I'm a beta tester but... (4, Interesting)

OneInEveryCrowd (62120) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632022)

unfortunately the non-disclosure agreement I clicked through prevents me from discussing it. All I can say is that I'm generally happy with it but won't be giving up anime fansubs anytime soon, especially the faux-720p h264 ones....

Sorry wish I could say more. ;-)

Re:I'm a beta tester but... (2, Informative)

mgb68 (863141) | more than 7 years ago | (#17633090)

I'm in the same situation with the non-disclosure but I'd say that the content is lacking.

Invites (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 7 years ago | (#17633604)

According to the website you don't have to say anything... just send an invite to SPAM001[AT]kennethpike[DOT]com d^_^b. Seriously (though I really would love an invite) it looks like they're doing something similar to the early days of gmail, giving limited invitations to beta testers. Wonder how much those will go for on eBay [slashdot.org] ?

i am too but... (1)

teh_chrizzle (963897) | more than 7 years ago | (#17634140)

the beta is restricted to a platform for which i only have one working machine and that machine is not up to the challenge hardware wise. i wish i couldi have seen is the splash screen. but it is quite a splash screen!

Re:I'm a beta tester but... (2, Insightful)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 7 years ago | (#17636156)

Sorry wish I could say more. ;-)

You know, there's a reason we have the ability to post anonymously here...

Prepare to Joost! (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632044)

Prepare to Joost

Boozard Bait!

Joost (1)

JoostSchuttelaar (863737) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632074)

Ecstatic by their new name... no, not really. I feel strangely violated :)

(Joost is a very common Dutch forename)

Firefox's multimedia cousin (1)

Giorgio Maone (913745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632528)

Joost, formerly known as The Venice Project, gets most of its "cool factor" in the geek circles from being built over the Mozilla XUL Runner [mozilla.org] . In other words, its client is based on XUL, SVG, JavaScript and XPCOM, just like Firefox, as outlined in this article [newteevee.com] .

Excuse me for being cynical but... (1)

^_^x (178540) | more than 7 years ago | (#17632844)

Does this mean we can finally look forward to skipping, randomly disconnecting streaming video?
Wait... we already have that. The only real advantage to Skype is that it can call landlines. It's nice for that, but it's not like their streaming is that hot... just their ability to use a simple trick to open a port on a firewall.

New? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17633986)

There must be something new and exciting about this or it wouldn't be on /. right? So far I haven't been able to find out what it is. Sounds like TV on PC. I hope that's not what it really is. When I want to watch TV I prefer my 42" unit in my living room. The stuff I see on the net is crap! IMHO.

mod Zujp (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17634304)

lesson and everything else a fu7l-time GNAA

Actually works very well (2, Informative)

porttikivi (93246) | more than 7 years ago | (#17638268)

The beta is high quality. Suddenly I can watch a dozen channels of nearly TV quality content, which currently is strictly per-episode on-demand P2P streaming (more scalable not-on-demand P2P "multicast channel" type streaming will come only later). And there are ads, a business model and commercial TV programs (Fith Gear car shows and GONG anime being the best ones). Picture quality is surprisingly good, so is tolerance of bad connections. Compared to podcasting it is really fun to be able to access everything RIGHT NOW! In practice it beats Democracy every possible way. The content comes primarily from P2P to other clients, but Joost company has seeding "Long Tail Servers" to gurantee the availability of even the less popular streams.

Re:Actually works very well (1)

Slickan (1052328) | more than 7 years ago | (#17643294)

High quality? The vids are "streamed" in ~800 Kbps, which at least for me is far from high quality and far from near TV quality. To compete with TV, you'll need at least 2 Mbps (sports, action, etc) even with h264 for SDTV. This kind of applications and services may revolutionize TV-viewing, but not in short term. The primary capability that Zennström and the guys possess is how to get media attention... I've tried the beta, I'm really disappointed :/

Joost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17639704)

Joost Posthuma [wikipedia.org] called, he wants his name back.

Joost is big on open source (2, Informative)

microbrewer (774971) | more than 7 years ago | (#17640398)

Joost is based on Mozilla's XUL Runner framework .

Dirk-Willem van Gulik from Apache the Foundation is the CTO .

Some of the Open source tech used

Apache, Cocoon, Dojo, Jena, Mozilla, RDF, SVG, XML, XUL

http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
http://ant.apache.org/ [apache.org]
http://wicket.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
http://lucene.apache.org/ [apache.org]

Any significant difference from VLC streaming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17640852)

I dunno, but the caption description sounds a lot like what I've been doing with VLC. Quite a nice little open source app that seems PC/Linux/Mac friendly.

It's as simple as this:
VLC > Playlist > Discover streaming services > TV Shoutcast
(I'm not sure if that's the exact menu path as I don't have it handy at work, but it gives a good idea.)

Then go browsing stuff that appears on the playlist and see what's on. More often than not, its stuff that's on TV outside of the U.S. Sometimes its fun to see what there is outside of the "Mcmedia-sphere", even though I don't have a clue as to what they're saying. (Japan is weird, and Germany seems to have a lot of parties/raves.) Plenty of live webcams and experimental (think public-access cable) stuff too, if foriegn TV isn't your thing.

Quality heavily depends on the broadcast stream. It varies greatly. Some feeds are crappy little 320x240 windows with artifacts that cut out frequently. Then some feeds are great for fullscreen XGA video (on a decent cable connection). It's almost like being in the UHF days, but with the other guy's upload bandwidth/latency rather than signal strength determining what picture you can get.

So is there any significant difference other than being locked in to one stream format/codec, and using a proprietary software?
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