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Seamonkey 1.1 Released

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the release-the-seamonkies-of-doom dept.

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stuuf writes "Version 1.1 of the Seamonkey Internet Application Suite is now available, with quite a few improvements over the 1.0 series. Some of the new features include spell checking in form text areas, a new tagging system to classify email, a better indicator for secure web sites and preview images for browser tabs. This release also includes many of the updates that have gone into the Firefox 2 and Thunderbird 2 branches. Check out the release notes and download page for more."

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Competitors (5, Interesting)

WiseMuse (1039922) | more than 7 years ago | (#17680756)

Who are the major players in the web application suite area?

Re:Competitors (4, Interesting)

free space (13714) | more than 7 years ago | (#17680830)

I'd say Opera, they have web, email and integrated clients for all sorts of stuff in one package.

Also, IE+outlook express (yuck!)+msn messenger aren't really a suite, but they come from the same company :)

Re:Competitors (0, Redundant)

bakes (87194) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681058)

Mods on crack again. First comment of the topic, and it is marked as redundant.

Meta-Moderator Inigo Montoya to mods: "You keep modding posts redundant. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Re:Competitors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682178)

"My name is Inigo Montoya, and you killed my post! Prepare to die!"

Re:Competitors (0, Offtopic)

jpkunst (612360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682916)

Sorry, I don't necessarily agree. A first post can certainly be redundant when taking Slashdot history into account. For example, I, for one, welcome our new $RANDOM_NOUN overlords would always be redundant in my opinion, even as a first post.

JP

Re:Competitors (3, Funny)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681448)

There's been some talk of packaging Firefox, Thunderbird, and Sunbird together [slashdot.org] as a sort of Internet suite.

Re:Competitors (4, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682230)

Thats a great idea, they could call it Sea Monkey.

Re:Competitors (2, Insightful)

Ididerus (898803) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683044)

Um, it doesn't use Firefox, it uses the less-than-clean UI of Mozilla. It looks similar to Netscape ver.5 Which is soooo 1995

I'm sure that it is a great browser, but Mozilla needs to give us the option of which browser to use with the Seamonkey pack. Then I might consider getting rid of my Firefox/Gmail.com/mIRC/Notepad combo, which I can tell you is a lot more compact than Seamonkey.

Re:Competitors (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683460)

No, SeaMonkey is a monolithic application. The package of Firefox and Thunderbird would exist as a single download and install, but the applications would remain separate. It's just like OpenOffice is one download and install, but is six separate applications. As Mitchell Baker, Chief Lizard Wrangler, explains:
...it may well be the case that one option for delivering Mozilla products is to have a combined Firefox, Thunderbird, maybe a calendar, who knows. Some combination of products that the user gets and installs only once and gets a set. That may well be the case. We're not sure yet; some people want it, many people seem to be happy currently with getting the browser separately. The goal of Firefox and Thunderbird is a new architecture which allows those products to be built separately, to remain separate products. But that is separate from the packaging and delivery mechanism. So we do have in mind that it might make sense at some point to package these and deliver them together.

Slogan (1)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683742)

And the download slogan could be, "Spank the Sea Monkey, now!

Official web site (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682778)

Here [sea-monkey.com] .

:-)

memory leak fud .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 7 years ago | (#17680862)

Wanna bet someone will post a 'I like Seamonkey except for the memory leak problem ..

Re:memory leak fud .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17680994)

Yeah... that leak really sucks.

Re:memory leak fud .. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681028)

Wanna bet someone will post a 'I like Seamonkey except for the memory leak problem ..

No, you're confusing something. Firefox is the retarded, leaking brother in the family. Seamonkey was and is a well engineered, solid product.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

HeroreV (869368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681306)

I've never experienced problems with Firefox or SeaMonkey leaking memory, but SeaMonkey's preferences has been extremely buggy for me. Enabling or disabling quick launch seemed to have about a 50% chance of succeeding.

Re:memory leak fud .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681344)

*ctrls + alt + supr* , mem usage is 40MB . OOH YOu are right it is USING ENORMOUS amounts of memory!

Re:memory leak fud .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681166)

I like seamonkey but they really need to fix the memory leaks.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682160)

...they really need to fix the memory leaks.
There we go with the FUD again. 68 core memory leak bugs have been fixed in the past year [mozilla.org] . Core bugs are bugs that are common to all Gecko products such as SeaMonkey and Firefox. Yes, there are memory leaks, but they are being fixed. There's no need to keep complaining.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

mauriatm (531406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683766)

Yes, there are memory leaks, but they are being fixed. There's no need to keep complaining.

The nature of Mozilla development in the past has induced regressions. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think much has changed, so I don't see why future memory leaks (new features, etc) cannot pop up.

And I disagree, unless users complain about something it typically will not get attention. Many bugs in software are there because there are acceptable work arounds. And after a while, known bugs, become "features". The workaround I've been told, and I quote: "buy more memory, memory is cheap".

So complain, just be reasonable in your expectations and try to be helpful. "The squeaky well gets the grease"

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17684514)

The nature of Mozilla development in the past has induced regressions. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think much has changed, so I don't see why future memory leaks (new features, etc) cannot pop up.
That's the nature of any software development. New versions of software have new features as well as new bugs ("regressions"). Why would Mozilla software be any different? If there are any new memory leaks, report them as bugs and they will be fixed.

And I disagree, unless users complain about something it typically will not get attention.
What I've noticed is that users complaining about vague problems ("fix the memory leak") is generally useless. What's much more effective is filing a bug report ("when I go to this URL, the leak-gauge.pl script reports a leak"). By all means complain, but complain by giving specifics of the problems to the developers by submitting bug reports. If you can't figure out the specifics of a problem, discuss it in the MozillaZine forums. Making statements such as "they should fix the memory leak" are utterly unhelpful and do nothing to help get the problems fixed.

Many bugs in software are there because there are acceptable work arounds. And after a while, known bugs, become "features". The workaround I've been told, and I quote: "buy more memory, memory is cheap".
However, I've just demonstrated that Mozilla developers have been fixing memory leaks instead of recommending workarounds. I'm sure no developer responded to a memory leak bug report by suggesting that you buy more memory. That's pure FUD again.

Re:memory leak fud .. (2, Interesting)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681412)

>Wanna bet someone will post a 'I like Seamonkey
>except for the memory leak problem ..

It ain't FUD, bud. Firefox does have memory leak
problems. It's still my favorite and primary browser,
but the problems are real.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681534)

Yes, Firefox does have memory leaks. But no, it typically doesn't cause any visible problems for most users. I'm sure all browsers have memory leaks, as do most moderately complex software packages. But generally leaks are a relatively benign problem that will not cause symptoms until after many days or weeks of use.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681682)

>But generally leaks are a relatively benign problem
>that will not cause symptoms until after many days
>or weeks of use.

Hey, I'm pragmatic about it. Like I said, Firefox
is my primary browser. But it's irritating to be
constantly told that we're imagining it.

Re:memory leak fud .. (4, Informative)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681804)

I think the FUD that the OP was referring to was not that Firefox and SeaMonkey do have some leaks, but that some people try to make "the memory leak" seem like a huge, obvious problem that is going unfixed. I've seen several posts lately saying something to the effect that "the memory leak" is not being addressed. The reality is that the leaks are being fixed. I also don't see any evidence that Firefox or SeaMonkey leak any more than other browsers. So there is FUD, and also you are not just imagining memory leaks.

Re:memory leak fud .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682072)

No, really, I like Seamonkey for the memory leak problem.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682444)

I like Seamonkey except for its out-dated UI and the fact that it bundles a bunch of applications together when I really only want a web browser. ;-)

Re:memory leak fud .. (2, Informative)

arunprasannan (904752) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683506)

You can choose to download/install only the components you desire, in the installer.

Re:memory leak fud .. (1)

pe1chl (90186) | more than 7 years ago | (#17684046)

I still consider it a very unfortunate decision that the Mozilla suite was split in Firefox and Thunderbird (dropping the composer).
It was always possible to install only the browser, and the result of the split is that configuration information required for both programs is now fragmented, and that shared components like Gecko are no longer shared.

Unfortunately it does not look like Seamonkey will ever take over from Firefox and Thunderbird again, and we will have to live with this.

Looks great but (1)

BeoCluster (995566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17680984)

Can I Make a Beowulf Clusters of Seamonkeys ?

Re:Looks great but (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682874)

Only when the real Seamonkey 2.0 is released from Monsanto- telepathic anthromorphic brine shrimp.....

Email Tagging (1)

elcid73 (599126) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681090)

I'm unable to install to review- can someone give me a "more than one sentence" description of the email tagging? How robust is it? How are the tags used? How are the tags arranged in the UI? How easy is it to tag? Can you "auto-tag" on meta data? Can you setup a "rule" like auto-tag? etc... I've been interested in this for awhile [opera.com] .

Re:Email Tagging (1)

Pretzalzz (577309) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683020)

You can tag e-mails as belonging to one or more user-defined categories by either using the numbers 1-9(0 clears all tags) or using the menu. Each tag has a color associated with it, and the e-mail in your inbox assumes the color of the first tag making it easily identifiable. You can also tag e-mails based on a filter action, and search for tags, etc. Tags are essentially a reimplementation of 'labels' except tags allow more than one per e-mail. In the past I've lost my labels if my .msf got corrupted, but I've yet to have any problems with tags.

Spell Checker (4, Insightful)

jmagar.com (67146) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681128)

It's about time that the spell check feature become standard in all browsers. It boggles the mind that this has for a very long time been the main reason to get the Google toolbar, and the browser folks have not responded by including it in their package. With all this web 2.0 hype, and you being the person of the year, why is there no spell checker in the tool we use to create all that damned content?

Well done Seamonkey!

Re:Spell Checker (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681240)

why is there no spell checker in the tool we use to create all that damned content
Probably because most of us dont use browsers to create content, only to view it. Creators tend to use tooling with spellcheckers included.

Re:Spell Checker (5, Insightful)

bradkittenbrink (608877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681442)

Probably because most of us dont use browsers to create content, only to view it. Creators tend to use tooling with spellcheckers included.
... he says as creating "content" from within a browser.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681810)

How do you know? He might have written that text anywhere and then copied it to his browser. Or used mozex to edit the text elsewhere and have it automatically inserted into the textarea.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

LandruBek (792512) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682646)

. . . and have it automatically inserted into the textarea.

What textarea? Oh, right, the textarea of his browser!!

Re:Spell Checker (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683194)

How do you know? He might have written that text anywhere and then copied it to his browser.

Witch is exectley wat I hvae to do wenevr I pst to /. And it s a PITA!

Re:Spell Checker (1)

spootle (1033314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681452)

Web browsers are used to create a lot of content on the internet, your post for example.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682980)

Probably because most of us dont use browsers to create content, only to view it.

Tell that to someone who authors stuff on a wiki (such as Wikipedia). Or posts content to discussion forums (like, say, Slashdot). Or uses a webmail client.

Re:Spell Checker (1, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681276)

Seamonkey is a Web-browser, advanced e-mail and newsgroup client, IRC chat client, and HTML editing made simple -- all your Internet needs in one application.

I'm not quite sure why I need a browser, e-mail/news reader, IRC client, and HTML editor together in one package. To me (other than the e-mail and news readers) these are very separate functions that have no business being packaged together. Then again I'm very particular about my IRC client and e-mail and I would much prefer to use a regular text editor for HTML and e-mail. YMMV.

As far as spell check goes -- amen! I *love* in-browser spell checking and can't stand life without it on my mobile device. Not that I'm a bad speller, I'm just a poor typer while driving.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681398)

Not that I'm a bad speller, I'm just a poor typer while driving.

Then do us all a favour and PULL OVER!

Re:Spell Checker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681496)

Umm, I didn't say I was a poor driver while typing. And obviously, you need to pull over as you can't spell favor ;) ;) ;)

Re:Spell Checker (1)

green menace (806773) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681830)

Umm, I didn't say I was a poor driver while typing. And obviously, you need to pull over as you can't spell favor ;) ;) ;)
1. favour = british spelling of favor - duh

2. I am sure you think you are an excellent driver while typing, assuming this AC is actually the parent poster. I hope you don't kill someone finding out otherwise.

Re:Spell Checker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682144)

OMFG you're obviously British. They're the only people on the planet that have no humour.

Re:Spell Checker (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681582)

I'm not quite sure why I need a browser, e-mail/news reader, IRC client, and HTML editor together in one package.

Well then don't download it and STFU. What a waste of bytes. Guess what? I don't need a mammogram. Maybe they should take those breast cancer awareness commercials off the TV!

Re:Spell Checker (1)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 7 years ago | (#17684538)

I don't need a mammogram. Maybe they should take those breast cancer awareness commercials off the TV!

You make a persuasive argument.

Re:Spell Checker (that had better be a joke) (1, Flamebait)

gosand (234100) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683014)

As far as spell check goes -- amen! I *love* in-browser spell checking and can't stand life without it on my mobile device. Not that I'm a bad speller, I'm just a poor typer while driving.


Unless this was a joke... you are a f'n jerkoff for typing while driving.


I don't need to go into WHY.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

Lacota (695046) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683698)

"I'm just a poor typer while driving." Most terrifying thing ever. Keep your eyes on the road man! They've banned cellphones in cars for a reason (at least where I live). Think of the children! (no really :P)

Re:Spell Checker (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681302)

I would say that spell checking should be a service the OS provides. Then I can configure it one place and not in multiple applications. Right now I have different dictionaries to download for Abiword, for OpenOffice and for Firefox and Thunderbird. It is rather sub-optimal. Windows XP does not do it, Vista, KDE, GNOME and MacOS X not sure.

Re:Spell Checker (2, Informative)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681494)

MacOS X DOES provide an inline spell checker, though I believe it only works for Cocoa apps, not Carbon, and I think they leave it up to developers whether to implement it or not (it's an option for certain types of controls, like text fields). There's also a spell checker on the Services menu, though its more for checking the spelling of individual words.

Re:Spell Checker (3, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682174)

MacOS X DOES provide an inline spell checker, though I believe it only works for Cocoa apps, not Carbon, and I think they leave it up to developers whether to implement it or not...

This is not quite correct. The OS X spellchecking service, like all the other services, works automatically in Cocoa apps without any work on the part of the developer (as I understand) and functions inline. Developers can integrate it in additional ways as well and it can be included in Carbon applications, but the developers have to do it specifically. For example, Firefox3 alpha 1 includes the native OS X spellchecking with the same dictionary as all the other applicatons, despite not being a cocoa application.

There's also a spell checker on the Services menu, though its more for checking the spelling of individual words.

This is the same spell checker and uses the same dictionary. It is just a different interface for getting to that function.

Re:Spell Checker (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681338)

Let me correct your sentence for you:
It's about time that the spell check feature become standard in all OSs.

I think almost anyone who uses OS X will agree - spell-check is a service that is better done at the OS level. The idea of every application in the world having to include code-bloat to include a spell-check, all of which I have to add my last name to, is insane.

This is one reason I much prefer Camino to Firefox on OS X, as well.

Re:Spell Checker (1, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682588)

This is one reason I much prefer Camino to Firefox on OS X, as well.

Firefox 3 alpha 1 on OS X is pretty stable for me and includes cocoa widget support so the spell checking service and all the other services work just fine in it. You might want to check it out as it is more up-to-date than Camino which tends to lag Firefox quite a bit. It's not for everyone, but you do have a choice between trailing edge or bleeding edge if that is the feature you need.

Re:Spell Checker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17684052)

I just wanted to point out to anyone reading this thread that Camino is not, in fact, "lagging Firefox quite a bit."

The latest Camino uses version 1.8.0.7 of the Gecko rendering engine. The latest release of Gecko is 1.8.1.1

Most everything else is Camino is as up to date as possible.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681702)

It's about time that the spell check feature become standard in all browsers. It boggles the mind that this has for a very long time been the main reason to get the...

What boggles my mind is the degree to which people have come to rely on their browsers and are convinced that every feature normally associated with a different program should be built into their browser of choice.

Don't mean to sound overly critical, but for me, a browser is (ignoring the few extra bits) something that renders web pages. I don't want it to do anything more. Put another way, a browser with yet-another-feature-X is like a dog walking on its hind legs -- you don't see it too often, and when you do, it's not done very well.

Then, again, I'm still scratching my head wondering why it is people need two spell czech they're work. Your reading, writing and typing skills will never improve (and may get worse), and for the lazy, it's a poor substitute for proof reading.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682526)

What boggles my mind is the degree to which people have come to rely on their browsers and are convinced that every feature normally associated with a different program should be built into their browser of choice. Don't mean to sound overly critical, but for me, a browser is (ignoring the few extra bits) something that renders web pages. I don't want it to do anything more.

Different people have different needs and wants both in their browser and in other programs. Many, many people want spell checking for their Web mail, for example. I agree that this should not be added to browsers though. Spellchecking and the like are more appropriate to add/enable/disabable at the OS level. I mean if you already have this running in your word processor, why not share that functionality for your Web browser, e-mail client, chat client, text editor, terminals, calendar, etc., etc. This also provides the advantage of sharing one dictionary so you need only train it once.

Then, again, I'm still scratching my head wondering why it is people need two spell czech they're work. Your reading, writing and typing skills will never improve (and may get worse), and for the lazy, it's a poor substitute for proof reading.

Spell checking is not a substitute for proof reading, but it is beneficial in many cases. When I'm casually writing I often do not notice misspellings and having many of them highlighted for me makes my writings much more readable. Better yet, spellcheckers train people to spell some words correctly. How many times have you seen the word "rediculous" here on Slashdot? Don't you think that after five of six times of noticing it is highlighted in red and then fixing it those people would learn how to spell it?

As a side note, OS X already provides a global spelling checker as I describe that you can enable or disable globally, preventing a lot of code duplication and saving a lot resources for those who do use it.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

OriginalArlen (726444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681738)

Hey, with the automated nightly builds I've been enjoying inline spellchecking, post-crash session recovery and a few other nice features for a while, and only had to clean out my profile, nuke the whole thing and revert to a released version a couple of times.

But I wish they would fix printing. I print stuff all the time, I much prefer the higher res, higher contrast and massive convenience factor of paper over screen - and it's still ignoring the "shrink to fit" checkbox and trimming the top / bottom lines on each page -- bloody annoying. Someone once pointed me at the bug and it's dependencies, and when the deps are fixed there'll be a whole nice domino effect of commits that will improve a lot of stuff. Come on devs, pitch in & help out, I'm happy to test the nightlies & file the odd bug if only someone would SR those patches!! :)

Re:Spell Checker (1)

AntsInMyPants (819105) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682088)

What I would rather have is a facility that can spell check any text in any application. That way I can have a single dictionary, instead of every application having its own (with its own code base, causing its own bugs and its own maintenance headaches, etc).

Something like what these guys [humanized.com] are doing.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682328)

What I would rather have is a facility that can spell check any text in any application.

This is already built into OS X, along with a dictionary/thesaurus option. Better yet, OS X includes a services framework that allows the addition/customization of arbitrary functions like this, called services. I regularly use one for grammar checking (included with leopard), language translations, bibliography reference formatting, collated online dictionary lookups, removing windows line endings, statistical info, and a slew of other functions I'm not thinking of right now. It is, in my opinion, one of the most under appreciated features of OS X. KDE, by the way, has implemented something called "Kparts" that lets developers of KDE apps embed spellchecking making it more common and universal, but since developers have to explicitly include the feature, it is much less useful.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682222)

In web browsers? How about throughout the entire operating system? Considering how unobtrusive that little red underline is, it seems to me you should have spell-checking available in every text box that appears on your computer, regardless of the application. And from the same dictionary, too.

Re:Spell Checker (2, Insightful)

ZOMFF (1011277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682284)

write! the spell cheque inn firefox is help full. Know wonder pea poll speak sew hi lee of it. Eye am surprised its knot inn this knew see monkey soft where.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

Jessta (666101) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683064)

's don't need spell checking. What browsers need is a way to lauch an external text edit for editing form fields.

Re:Spell Checker (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683858)

Couldn't agree more. I've been using Safari's for ages and it's great. (Edit -> Spelling -> Check spelling as you type.) It works in HTML textareas (like Slashdot's 'Comment' box) but not text boxes (like the 'Subject' box.) Still, for all the webmail I use and forum posting I do, it's great. What's best about it is it goes into the systemwide dictionary (~/Library/Spelling/en) so if I add a word in, say, TextEdit, the next time I'm writing about it in a browser it doesn't get flagged.

Too bad MS Office uses its own dictionary.

SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681142)

So I use Firefox / Thunderbird. Don't need the HTML editor or News Reader. Why would I use SeaMonkey
over those two?

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681234)

You shouldn't then.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (2, Insightful)

zer0halo (704731) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681364)

Actually Thunderbird has built in NewsReader as well. Firefox has a couple of excellent newsreader extensions, and an HTML extension as well.

I also don't see the advantage of SeaMonkey over Firefox+Thunderbird, though perhaps I'm missing something. I wonder why developers continue to invest work in SeaMonkey rather than just create a meta-package that combines Firefox + Thunderbird + necessary extensions.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (3, Insightful)

noldrin (635339) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681772)

If you are using any combination of Browser, Mail and Composer, Seamonkey is more compact. Also traditionally firefox has lagged behind seamonkey in tab functionality. These days I like it because it tends to filter out some of the craziness of firefox, so by the time Seamonkey gets features they tend to be the best ones with very bugs.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (1)

zer0halo (704731) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683578)

Do all FF/TB extensions work with SeaMonkey? I'd be interested in trying it out, but would be loathe to give up my favorite extensions.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (1)

noldrin (635339) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683778)

No, I think some extensions might work, but in general I don't think they work. I usually keep FF around to be loaded with extensions for certain circumstances, but I use Seamonkey as my lean and mean browser.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (1)

ccandreva (409807) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681384)

Personally I prefer the menu layout of Mozilla/Seamonkey to that of Firefox.

To each their own. Long live Open Source !

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (4, Informative)

UnRDJ (712762) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681510)

Seamonkey/Mozilla is much more customizable. I particularly like the ability to make key bindings, as well as define scroll ranges. Firefox tries way too hard to be minimal. Look at the preference page, there's barely anything there. Tons of features I found useful before Firefox came about were just cut. I don't want minimal, I like having lots of features.

Re:SeaMonkey vs Firefox / Thunderbird (1)

oerd (821771) | more than 7 years ago | (#17683656)

Firefox can be customized through the chrome about:config menu. Some ppl may not find it very user friendly but you can set a lot of the features you may miss in the options/preferences menu. Some features you don't get at all, true. But hey, it's free! Just my two cents...

Portable apps version? (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681342)

This would be fantastic if there were a portable apps version of it. [portableapps.com] Currently I run portable Firefox and Thunderbird off my USB drive from work, and they're great. Having all that extra functionality bundled in, as well as only having one program running would rock.

Re:Portable apps version? (2, Interesting)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682110)

If you use portable Firefox a lot you might want to look into Google Browser Sync. It keeps all your stuff synced across multiple browsers.

Damn I feel so modern. (1)

Dareth (47614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681388)

Just downloaded Seamonkey to replace Mozilla. So this is what it feels like to have a current browser!

Hopefully it fixes the jump/select issue I had with Slashdot and Mozilla.

Re:Damn I feel so modern. (0, Troll)

Bright Apollo (988736) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681518)

Welcome to 2007. You might also consider upgrading from Windows 95, buying a PC with a hard drive bigger than 5Gb, and using an MP3 player with a screen.

-BA

Not So (1)

Dareth (47614) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681626)

... my computer dual boots Win98 and Debian Woody.

I'm not so behind the technical curve... don't ask about my cellphone. Tunez sounds great!

Re:Not So (1)

Bright Apollo (988736) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682010)

Lemme guess, Butabi brother?

-BA

Seamonkey: Dead in the water (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681554)

I downloaded the first Seamonkey release after having used fx as my main browser since the phoenix days. It was a great reminder of why mozilla was disregarded for so long...

Give me xulrunner and a bunch of lightweight apps/extensions anyday.

Captcha: legacy

Theme and extension to enhance Seamonkey UI (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681576)

I am writing a theme called SeaGnome for Seamonkey so it blends in nicely with GTK desktops. I have the Mail and Browser section but am still working on the remaining suite applications.
Try it out here:
http://markbokil.org/index.php?section=tech&conten t=c_linuxseagnome.php [markbokil.org]

I also have written an extension for Seamonkey which allows you to collapse down the toolbars and provides a quick menu to often used features. Great to reclaim screen realestate while browsing.
http://markbokil.org/index.php?section=tech&conten t=c_linuxmonkeymenu.php [markbokil.org]

Disable/Uninstall Components? (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681620)

Is it possible to disable certain components of SeaMonkey? The HTML editor, browser, and IRC client would be helpful for me, but I don't really need the mail client since I use GMail or read newsgroups.

Re:Disable/Uninstall Components? (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681668)

Yes. There's a fairly comprehensive list of components for you to choose from on install.

Re:Disable/Uninstall Components? (1)

sjaskow (143707) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681730)

Um, how about Firefox 2.0 + Chatzilla [mozilla.org] + Firebug [getfirebug.com] ? They seem to do what you want.

Re:Disable/Uninstall Components? (1)

fondacio (835785) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681770)

The installer allows you to choose which components to install, so you can uncheck Mail & News.

Re:Disable/Uninstall Components? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681910)

It is not necessary to uninstall the components if you don't want to use them. I would just hide the component bar. Seamonkey applications don't consume RAM until they are run so if you just ignore the other parts they won't cause you problems. Seamonkey actually uses less RAM than Firefox. It was a myth that Seamonkey bloat used a lot of RAM. Launch Firefox and then Seamonkey and you will see Seamonkey uses less RAM!

Disappointed (1)

brian.aspx (991740) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681630)

I thought it was going to be an upgraded version of the brine shrimp everybody loves.

Re:Disappointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681756)

Indeed. I was hoping to make a SeaCiety 1.1.

No extensions (1)

kyager (870493) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681752)

It would be nice if it support extensions like Firefox, thats the only thing holding me back from using it.

Re:No extensions (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681904)

Well apart from the fact that it does, it does.

Only problem is that a lot of "Firefox" extension developers don't bother to add Seamonkey install scripts, so a lot of them won't install, even though they work perfectly.

Re:No extensions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682082)

There are extensions for Seamonkey. Search on google for adblock or flashblock and you will find Seamonkey versions. A problem with extensions on Seamonkey though is there is no built in extension manager. You have to keep track of that manually. I usually backup my profile before installing an extension and if I don't like it I just revert to the older profile. For the beginning user this makes extensions on Seamonkey very awkward. There are plans to switch to the newer extension manager API used by Firefox but it is still in the works.

Re:No extensions (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17682484)

There's a fairly extensive list of extensions that work with SeaMonkey [skynet.be] , and two people are actively working on making Firefox-only extensions compatible with SeaMonkey when their original authors are too lazy or incapable of doing so themselves. (Obviously they won't have success with all extensions - some extensions would need to be re-coded from scratch, given how crappy the original code is - but they're good with responding to requests [mozillazine.org] , and have done a lot of good work already.)

Numbering System? (1)

Pretzalzz (577309) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681874)

Does anyone understand the numbering system? They've been calling the nightlies 1.5a for a while so is this a different branch or did they just decide right before release that jumping to 1.5 would look silly so they jumped back to 1.1?

Re:Numbering System? (2, Informative)

Arctic Dragon (647151) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681958)

SeaMonkey 1.5 will be the next release. As per MozillaWiki [mozilla.org] :

The current working title for a release from that work is "SeaMonkey 1.5" (subject to change) with a release expected in 2007. (This work takes place on "Mozilla trunk".)

Re:Numbering System? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17681964)

This is from the Gecko 1.8.1 branch, the same as Firefox 2.0. The 1.5a nightlies are from the trunk, which will be Gecko 1.9, the same as the Firefox 3.0 alpha/nightlies.

Firefox, Thunderbird, and now Seamonkey? (1)

UPZ (947916) | more than 7 years ago | (#17681900)

Mozilla has added another animal to the zoo.

Re:Firefox, Thunderbird, and now Seamonkey? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682254)

Mozilla has little to do with Seamonkey

Re:Firefox, Thunderbird, and now Seamonkey? (2, Informative)

bunratty (545641) | more than 7 years ago | (#17682796)

Actually, Mozilla has almost everything to do with SeaMonkey. They developed Mozilla 1.8, which SeaMonkey is still based upon. They host the source code, bug database, and releases. The core of SeaMonkey is shared with Firefox and Thunderbird so most Mozilla development directly improves SeaMonkey with no extra effort. SeaMonkey remains an official Mozilla project [mozilla.org] . SeaMonkey simply isn't a Mozilla product, which means that Mozilla doesn't drive SeaMonkey-specific development or provide support.

Re:Firefox, Thunderbird, and now Seamonkey? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17683520)

In fact it's the oldest animal in that zoo. It's some kind of dinosaur and it used to be called Mozilla, but you're probably too young to remember the Triassic when awe-inspiring monsters roamed the web. Now they're all cutesy birdies and foxies, and "Seamonkey" is just a zeitgeisty diminutive.

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