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AmigaOS 4

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago

Amiga 415

Second five-eighth writes "The Amiga is alive and sort of well (you can get the OS, but not the hardware), and Ars Technica has a review of the final version of AmigaOS 4. New features include limited memory protection, 3D display drivers, an improved suite of applications (the bounty for porting Mozilla to AmigaOS has yet to be claimed), and much better 680x0 emulation. Perhaps most telling, the reviewer was able to move his daily writing workflow from Windows XP to AmigaOS 4.0: 'Not only was it possible to do this, but having done so I feel no urge to switch back. It is nice to not have any distractions when working — there is no waiting for the system to swap out when switching between major applications, no constant reminders for updates or to download new virus definitions and even if the worst happens and the system locks up, it takes only seven seconds to reboot and get back to a functional desktop.'"

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Spaceballs? (5, Funny)

Loconut1389 (455297) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719722)

FTA: "this brings things up to ludicrous speed."

Prepare for the jump to ludicrous speed!

Re:Spaceballs? (1)

huckda (398277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719854)

Sorry Captain, they've jammed the hardware...

Re:Spaceballs? (1, Troll)

alamandrax (692121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719976)

Raspberry! I hate raspberry! Even more than I hate Yoghurt!

Seriously though, you'd go through all of that rather than stay on Windows XP? Man Windows XP must suck! Why don't I know/notice that? Is it because I grew up using this thing and have learnt to live with it's quirks and whims that I've become desensitized to its treatment of me?

Am I like the kid Devlin kidnapped? That's scary if I think about it.

Switching XP - Amiga (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719726)

Not that a brand new platform isn't cool but work desktop?

It is nice to not have any distractions when working -- there is no waiting for the system to swap out when switching between major applications,
Dude, buy more RAM. RAM is cheap.

no constant reminders for updates or to download new virus definitions
It's a new OS, of course it's got bugs and exploits. But hey! Security through obscurity.

and even if the worst happens and the system locks up, it takes only seven seconds to reboot and get back to a functional desktop.
But you've lost all your work?

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719754)

There's sticking it to the man and there's just being a dork. Guess which one this falls under.

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (2, Insightful)

ewhac (5844) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720154)

Dude, buy more RAM. RAM is cheap.

Just because a resource is abundant and cheap isn't a reason to abuse it. You don't waste water, do you?

Schwab

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (2, Insightful)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720476)

Just because a resource is abundant and cheap isn't a reason to abuse it. You don't waste water, do you?


The point is that you really shouldn't be swapping to/from disk just to switch between applications. There is being efficient with memory... and then there is being a total cheapass who refuses to upgrade beyond 64MB of RAM.

-matthew

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720268)

It is nice to not have any distractions when working -- there is no waiting for the system to swap out when switching between major applications,

Dude, buy more RAM. RAM is cheap.

It doesn't help with Windows. Its *#$@! VM system is still tuned to machines with far less memory than we have today. Run anything memory intensive and I guarantee that you'll start seeing swapping and thrashing. On the bright side, at least it doesn't swap everything out to disk when you minimize the application. It used to be tons of fun working on local J2EE instances after accidently minimzing the console. :-/

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720302)

Since when is $150 for a stick of SODIMM DDR2 cheap? I just bought a GB for my thinkpad and I can't help but think of the 30 hours of minimum-wage cashiering it took to enjoy a little extra memory...

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720444)

Welcome to the economy. Work a shitty job, enjoy fewer perks. It's not fair, but you can change it with determination.

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720452)

You and I are experiencing the same problem, it's $200 CAD for a 1gb SODIMM around here, part of me yerns to go from two 256mb sticks to two 1gb sticks. Making ten dollars an hour on the other hand, says I'll be waiting a long while.

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720478)

> Since when is $150 for a stick of SODIMM DDR2 cheap?

Uhh... since fall 1999, when $150 wouldn't even get you 128MB of any RAM?

Seriously, you need to remember where we've been before you bitch about RAM prices.

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720496)

Since when is $150 for a stick of SODIMM DDR2 cheap? I just bought a GB for my thinkpad and I can't help but think of the 30 hours of minimum-wage cashiering it took to enjoy a little extra memory...


If simply switching applications causes thrashing, you're probably not on a system with expensive memory. You're probably running some PC100 based system with 32MB of RAM or something.

-matthew

Re:Switching XP - Amiga (2, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720328)

You lose all your work on Windows too but it takes 2 minuites to get a working desktop again. :)

Who cares... (-1, Troll)

betelgeuse68 (230611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719734)

The Amiga is dead... get over it.

-M

Yeah (5, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719832)

Couldn't the 6 of you who are still interested just start a mailing list or something?

Re:Yeah (4, Funny)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719874)

Couldn't the 6 of you who are still interested just start a mailing list or something?

So that would include 6 interested people + at least 2 guys who keep posting "Amiga is Dead" over and over?

Re:Who cares... (5, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720270)

The Amiga is dead... get over it.


You know, that's just what they said about cuneiform. But I'm continuing to develop new kinds of clay for the tablets and to experiment with new ways of making a reed stylus- I'm working with a new kind of reed from South America which is vastly superior to the ones the Sumerians used. And cuneiform on clay tablets works fine for all my word-processing and accounting needs, plus it never gets viruses. Well, I did once have a problem with mold growing on my styluses. But I solved that by keeping them in a dry place.

so many memories... (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719746)

...whatever happened to my old Amiga 500? I wish I knew...

Re:so many memories... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719992)

i cant believe i gave away my Amiga 1000... that thing could have been my retirement fund.

still have the Amiga 600 floating around, it has a great form factor, like a chunky mini keyboard, it was useless for anything but funky games, but they came on floppies and floppies die :(

Amiga 1200 now that thing rocked, still remember the funked up video graphics @ my first raves all running of some juiced up 1200.

Re:so many memories... (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720012)

My 1000 is in my garage.....but it does still work. Never got around to getting the hard drive for it, though.

Layne

Re:so many memories... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720132)

...whatever happened to my old Amiga 500? I wish I knew...

I'm pretty sure I saw it on eBay.

Re:so many memories... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720136)

Obviously, you don't have "so many memories"...

reboot in seconds (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719774)

"reboot in seconds", you mean i could restart XP and take a quick nap at work anymore.

Vista Help Forum [www.vistahelpforum]

Short memory (4, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719788)

Interesting that he would mention not worrying about viruses. If history repeats itself that should be short lived. Amiga was one of the worst in the old days for viruses. Most of them at the time came from floppies because it had this habit of auto booting the disk the moment they were placed in the drive. Hopefully the new OS is better guarded but the limited user base is likely to be it's best defense.

Re:Short memory (2, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719826)

Amiga was one of the worst in the old days for viruses. Most of them at the time came from floppies because it had this habit of auto booting the disk the moment they were placed in the drive
Did the Amiga hardware include a motorized floppy drive similar to the Apple Macintosh floppy drive? I don't think that standard "x86" drives would automatically access a disk - the OS usually has to be told to do so, unless it is constantly probing. But I think that would cause the OS to constantly be hanging. I think Tandy also used automatic drives.

Re:Short memory (3, Informative)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719880)

Yes it did.. it knew that there was a floppy. Pretty slick. I would try to put this amiga os on my laptop on a partition. Gives me something fun to try.

Re:Short memory (2, Informative)

pioneerX (830117) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720106)

It made a clunk every few seconds as it checked for the presence of a disk. This made you stick in disks at random just to shut it up.

Re:Short memory (3, Informative)

rossdee (243626) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720164)

It wasn't a motorized floppy (in the sense of insertion and ejection) but it did detect a diskchange automatically. However if when it scanned the directory block on the disk, it found it was corrupted, it would run a disk validator program. Unfortunatelyhe first place it would look for the disk validator program was on the floppy disk that was in the drive, so a hacker could write a virus that maskeraded as the disk validator and it could automatically run whenb the disk was inserted.

This type of virus was made obsolete by later versions of AmigaDOS (Version 2 and higher) and there were good antivirus programs in shareware and freeware.

(I was an amiga owner from 1986 til 2002)

Re:Short memory (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720596)

Did the Amiga hardware include a motorized floppy drive similar to the Apple Macintosh floppy drive? I don't think that standard "x86" drives would automatically access a disk - the OS usually has to be told to do so, unless it is constantly probing. But I think that would cause the OS to constantly be hanging. I think Tandy also used automatic drives.

IIRC, the floppies drives on the amiga were identical to x86 counterpart. I back up this claim by knowing for a fact I took a standard x86 drive put it on my amiga when the factory drive failed. It was too short for the bay, and franky I couldn't seem to get High Density to work on my A2000 but aside from that no problem. The only thing they did differently, that i'm aware, was use the disc change pin. As in when you put a disc in, the drive would relay this to the system.

It was a complaint of mine that on the PC, when using multiable media, you had to press "OK" once you swapped discs, an operation which could have been handled by the disc change line. Even more sad the fact that this support only came into play in later versions of windows, a feature offered on older systems.

Re:Short memory (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720166)

The reviewer wasn't around then (on the platform):

"However, in all these years, there has been only one operating system that has captured my heart. While I missed the glory days of the Amiga in the late 80s and early 90s, and was only introduced to the platform a couple of years ago, I can see why its diehard fans have held on to the OS despite having to wait so long for a new version to be released. Call me crazy, but I'm an Amigan now, and will be as long as I can. This OS has struggled past incredible obstaclesboth financial and psychologicaljust to exist, but I'm already anxiously awaiting its successor."

That brings a smile to my face. I can almost understand diehards who almost literally are in love with their darling from the 80s. But he wasn't even on the platform then. That's pretty amazing.

Me, I was there, but I don't really feel the urge to go back. The Amiga was amazing, and the OS had some good ideas, but for me it was only a vehicle for games and demos. The amazing hardware is no more, and the games aren't there.

I guess that leaves the demos, but I'm afraid to go back and discover they're all the bland 3D-object masturbations I saw on the PC. In my memory, they're all so good. Greetz goes out to Melon Dezign [wikipedia.org].

Re:Short memory (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720382)

Interesting that he would mention not worrying about viruses. If history repeats itself that should be short lived. Amiga was one of the worst in the old days for viruses.

Even more interesting that he was more productive on the Amiga than XP even despite its shortcomings. It shows just how badly format lockin has hurt the computer industry.

If we'd had hetrogenous computing environments which allowed free and open data exchange, we'd have had all of those opportunities for competing platforms to establish niches for themselves, and advance the whole field through competition.

We certainly wouldn't be waiting half a decade in anticipation of a moderate facelift to one mediocre OS...

please.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719792)

die already. the amiga's time has come and gone.

Re:please.. (5, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719864)

die already. the amiga's time has come and gone.

What is your problem?

I don't get all upset when somebody drives by in a 1950's Studebaker all tricked out. Yeah, it has some limitations, such as: a single-speaker AM radio, no air conditioning, cruise control, electric windows, it requires fuel additives to not die on unleaded gas, and it's hard to find parts for. Oh, and it's a death trap in an accident.

And despite all that, it's still mighty cool. I honk when I see somebody driving one.

Can you imagine what a dorkass you'd look like if you stuck your head out the window and screamed: "Dude, die already! The Studebaker's time has come and gone already!".

Oh, wait. Nevermind. You're posting O/S elitism on Slashdot. My guess is that you probably already know all about what a dorkass you look like. Never mind. //Scuze me...

Re:please.. (1)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719902)

Here HEre! Its amazing that most things that you see today was based on the machine. I won't go as far as to say that was the only game in town. But her..

Re:please.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719950)

Parent is right on on the Studebaker comment, but I think people's sense of it is this:

If it takes pretty much a decade of dicking around to get an OS release out the door, and you STILL have to guess what it'd be like to run this OS on hardware that's not emulating a 680x0, it's gonna take a WHOLE lot of time-saving computer use to get your decade of invested time back by switching instantly between major applications.

I say this as a former Amiga owner and lover. It's not even over now. It was over many long years ago.

Play with the legacy hardware if you like (Hell, I was drooling over a Cray X-MP at the National Cryptologic Museum not too long ago), but mentally - guys, MENTALLY - join us here in the current century, OK?

We like you Amigans, your hearts are in the right place....

Re:please.. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720208)

You must have mis-understood that the 680x0 emulation is just that... an emulator, not for the OS itself, or for native applications. Either that or your comment must include Windows and Linux, since they both also have emulators for the 680x0.

Re:please.. (2, Insightful)

digitalhallucination (313314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719960)

People get upset when I drive my 1985 Lada Niva around and laugh at me. It doesn't even have a radio.

Just because it is old doesn't make it a classic.

Perhaps in 2057 people will see my junker as a piece of history, but until then...

Let it rest in peace! (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720116)

> I don't get all upset when somebody drives by in a 1950's Studebaker all tricked out.

I think old cars are cool. I think old computers are cool. I think old computer games are cool even. But it is time to stop molesting the poor Amiga's cold dead corpse like this. It's dead people, remember it for what it was but leave it in peace. It belongs to a different time, a difference philosophy.

The Amiga died for one reason. Closed Source on a Closed Platform. No amount of cool could save it when Amiga Inc went kaput. Let it be a lesson unto you, invest not thy emotions, neither thy creative output in platforms which can vanish in the twinkling of an eye. The future belongs to Open Standards, Open Platforms and Open Source. Apple is coming around, albeit kicking and screaming most of the time, even Microsoft will eventually be forced to adapt or die.

Amiga Inc died and the bloody bits have passed from charnel house to charnel house, each run by a rabid fanboi who believed with all his heart that HE could save the Amiga platform, but none of their plans could be realized because no sane person will invest the needed funds to bring a product to market because there isn't a market for it waiting to buy it. Just read the article to see why. How many times do you read phrases like "used to", "was", "once", etc. Most of the software still in use is old 68000 stuff from companies which themseleves are so long in the grave that nobody would even knows where to look for the sourcecode anymore, assuming it exists. Orphaned closed source software. So even if interest could be revived it would be for naught because a new Amiga owner can't (legally) obtain much of the software anymore.

Combine with the tangled ownership history for the IP and you get stuff like the line in the article where the current developers find they don't have the right to port to x86. PPC is pretty much dead these days, no future development is likely that would be useful to a desktop OS so the current roadmap is a deadend. The only PPC platform in production these days is the PS3 but it doesn't allow "other OS" to access the 3D hardware which would be a bummer since Amaga OS 4 just gained 3D support. :(

Re:Let it rest in peace! (4, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720296)

The Amiga died for one reason. Closed Source on a Closed Platform.

Yep, just like Macintosh. And we all know that IBM machines survived because of Microsoft's open operating systems.

The reason Amiga died was because Commodore was completely inept on just about everything non-technical in nature - advertising, business decisions, corporate alliances, you name it.

Dan East

Re:Let it rest in peace! (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720504)

What was that joke again... if Commodore made sushi, they'd advertise it as "raw cold fish".

Re:Let it rest in peace! (2, Interesting)

GreggBz (777373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720334)

Your post is right in a sense but let me correct a few things.
The Amiga died for one reason. Closed Source on a Closed Platform.
The Amiga died for many many reasons. This likely isn't one of them. The Amiga was pretty open compared to it's competitors at the time. Commodore killed it with mis-guided management and bone-headed marketing. Microsoft and Columbia Business Machines killed it and many others when they said, let us have MS-DOS on whatever hardware we want, IBM. I don't think an open standard would have helped at that stage. It was already dead before Linux had it's heyday and OSS became the savior of everything.
Most of the software still in use is old 68000 stuff from companies which themselves are so long in the grave
You can get all the source code for 76,900 packages by looking here. [aminet.net] That is where I get most of the software I still use. A few old legacy apps still linger but again, your point is not really valid. The developers are moving forward, and could care less about old 68K assembly. If they had it, so what? It's so old it's meaningless.
The only PPC platform in production these days is the PS3 but it doesn't allow "other OS" to access the 3D hardware which would be a bummer since Amaga OS 4 just gained 3D support. :(
Really? Try all kinds of set-top boxes, TiVo's, the Wii, the X-Box 360, cell phones PDA's, embedded platforms, a few custom motherboards and who knows what else I missed. IBM makes millions of PPC processors. They've hashed out the alternate PPC hardware option about a gazillion times at Amiga.org. In a word, PPC is not going anywhere.

Re:please.. (1)

GreggBz (777373) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720128)

Amen,

If I enjoy my hobby, why exactly does it bug them so? We are unique in that I guess we get new wares, and a slight bit of development in Amiga land. I guess that makes us different then the hordes of people selling/buying SGI Indys / Atari's / C64's / Acrons and SNES's on ebay. People hack and make new software for these things occasionally to. Nobody makes fun of them. Usually it's just "cool, a GUI web-browser for the C64! l337!" Amiga has a stigma I suppose.

Really, I enjoy the Amiga scene. I have no illusions about it's relevance, I have no grand notions of an Amiga Desktop revival,
I just enjoy retro-gaming, simple computing and the novelty of a unique platform.

Aren't any of you tired of upgrading your PC with a new video card? Or switching backgrounds in Gnome? Yawn. Don't you want to broaden your horizons a little?

Re:please.. (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720224)

Harping on the supposed superiority of a dead platform sounds more like O/S elitism to me.

Re:please.. (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720510)

Harping on the supposed superiority of a dead platform sounds more like O/S elitism to me.
Even if said dead platform is actually superior?

Re:please.. (1)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720492)

I don't get all upset when somebody drives by in a 1950's Studebaker all tricked out.

Neither do I, but it's annoying when you see someone selling some car with a non-descript frame/powertrain with a new body and trying to represent it as a Studebaker. :-) The Amiga was a great machine (I still have, er, more than one) and I'll always have a fond place in my heart for it, but what's being sold now isn't an Amiga as far as I'm concerned. Consequently, I really don't have much interest in exploring it as anything more than a curiosity.

Informative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720514)

Yeah, this is really informative ad hominem attack on another poster. Fuck whoever modded this

Re:please.. (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720614)

Actually, this Amiga OS 4 business is more like someone driving around in a "modern" immitation of a 50's Studebaker. Taking all the fuel problems, the safety problems, etc and making something that kinda looks like a 50's Studebaker. That isn't cool. An authentic 50's Studebaker all tricked out might be cool, but a cheap immitation with none of the class of the original is not.

-matthew

I suppose in the year 2038.... (5, Funny)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719808)

..I'll be mentioning something cool in Mac OS LXVIII and some idiot will say "Why, we did that in Amiga OS 4, and we did it better!"

Re:I suppose in the year 2038.... (2, Funny)

Nossie (753694) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719840)

I'm thinking either that's sarcasm

or you are the pot calling the kettle black?

Re:I suppose in the year 2038.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720026)

And then in 2043 you will be telling the Windows folks that Mac OS LXVIII did it better 5 years prior!

Thank Goodness! (5, Funny)

dada21 (163177) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719830)

Now I can get ProComm to dial into those old Telegard BBSes that I still have the phone numbers for in my Apple Newton. I hope that someone ports a terminal emulator that supports the RIP protocol, because ANSI and AVATAR are just boring.

This will completely let me replace my Coco3.

Tradewars door, here I come!

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719998)

I hope that someone ports a terminal emulator that supports the RIP protocol, because ANSI and AVATAR are just boring.

RIP graphics had a shiny factor, and were sometimes faster to load, but I definitely preferred ANSI or ASCII for most things. Both put limits on the sysop's often limited design ability to disguise useful information inside shiny graphics. Programs like RIPTerm (in DOS, at least) tended to be a lot more klunky than ANSI terminal apps, although it could have been quite different on Amigas.

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720306)

Agreed. However, ANSImation and ANSI music were annoying, and bad for slow dial-up connections like 2400 speed. :(

The only question left (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719836)

Will it run Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:The only question left (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720574)

Nope, only until the next crash

Thank you, Thank you, I'm here all week :)

What is it used for? (4, Interesting)

Fizzlewhiff (256410) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719878)

The Amiga's killer app was video production which has been trivial now on Macs and Windows XP for years. Even the Video Toaster that was cherished by Amiga users now requires a P4 or Athlon and Windows XP. It seems to me that Amiga OS doesn't offer that much when compared Linux, BSD, OS X, and Windows. Heck, I'm even going to throw WM5 in there since it has better browser choices.

Re:What is it used for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720390)

It was one of the first computers to emulate
intel chip with a jit compiler ... just like a precoursor to java jit...
it took the 6800 and emulated intel and pc os

i guess it would have to to that again to run
under vmware

vmware -> emulate 6800 -> amiga os -> emulate intel ? -> pc os ?

we are running the inferior chip with the fewest registers

amiga had the better chip for compilers and unix and it did jit before java ... probably invented jit ...

and the game companies liked it and made the best games from a gui point of view

that the pc could not match

the amiga was like a console machine of its time

emulated mac better than a mac shame linux was not out it probably ould have dusted a pc at running it ...

Re:What is it used for? (1)

StarWreck (695075) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720584)

I was just reading that the Amiga was used to create the special effects for Star Trek: Voyager (including the intro credits used for the entire duration of the series). It feels like Star Trek: Voyager wasn't that long ago. But I guess its been a while.

Re:What is it used for? (4, Interesting)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720688)

The Amiga's killer app was video production which has been trivial now on Macs and Windows XP for years. Even the Video Toaster that was cherished by Amiga users now requires a P4 or Athlon and Windows XP. It seems to me that Amiga OS doesn't offer that much when compared Linux, BSD, OS X, and Windows. Heck, I'm even going to throw WM5 in there since it has better browser choices.

That was the main reason I switched from Amiga to Sun. Browsers were limited to like 4 bit video even if you had a 8 or 24 bit bitplane board, unless you were update the roms "again" to version 3 if I remember correctly. I was a dumb ass and updated to version 2.x roms and couldn't kickstart version 3.x from version 2.x. Not that I was offended by the idea of pirating the roms as amiga folded.

Also 24bit graphics boards were not really standarized, well I think Picasso II was the defacto standard, something that cost a pretty penny. The board I had could emulate AGA graphics, amiga 8bit ham support, but not without newer roms.

But I started to price what it would cost to update my hardware on my amiga 2000. The cost was horrible. By the time I added in a faster cpu, more memory via a special cpu board upgrade, a defacto standard graphics board, oh and an extra serial board to handle a standard mouse, not to speak of the fact that you needed a 23pin to something else cable to sport either the stock monitor, an EGA monitor, or one of those rare vga monitors that would sync down to TV levels in the unlikely event the config on my graphics card failed, well... the cost was equal to a high end penium with 16 megs of memory.

There are still many features I miss.

How often? (1)

nytes (231372) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719894)

...and even if the worst happens and the system locks up, it takes only seven seconds to reboot and get back to a functional desktop.
And just how often does that happen?

emulator or vmware? (3, Interesting)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719898)

i'd really like to try AmigaOS 4 out.. I google'd some screenshots, and it looks fun to experiment with just for something different.. i'd like to try emulating an Amiga system.. Or possibly using something like Vmware.. does anyone know if this can be done?

Re:emulator or vmware? (1)

POds (241854) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720562)

You'll probably get just as much fun from AROS - although, theres, last time i tried it, it did not have any emulation - that may have changed, but i doubt it!

http://www.aros.org/ [aros.org]

Nice system, plus it has its own compilers etc so you can write software for it. It would be kinda neat if someone took the interface and ported it to *nix.

What's wrong with this summary? (4, Insightful)

greenguy (162630) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719906)

There's something not right, here...

Something not up to Slashdot standards...

Ah... there's no "dept." caption/commentary!

From the nothing-to-see-here department (3, Funny)

Bifurcati (699683) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719938)

That was the first thing I noticed, too! I couldn't work out what was "wrong" with the story - some sort of disturbance in the force :)

Re:What's wrong with this summary? (4, Funny)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720486)

Ah... there's no "dept." caption/commentary!

Let me be the first to suggest this be assigned to the "He's dead, Jim." dept.

It's a shame... (1)

taupin (1047372) | more than 7 years ago | (#17719910)

...that there's no new hardware that will run this. Still, all this fun is a completely moot point if there is no new hardware available to run OS4 on.

Re:It's a shame... (3, Funny)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720148)

I will keep using Amiga for spite. I hate whoever killed this superior operating system.

Only Amiga is worth using. If you disagree, you deserve worse than death.

Blessed be thy Amiga (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17719958)

I purchased my A600 second hand for 20 wingwams. Had a pisser of a time with it!
Then I sold it for $100. I thought that would be the end of my Amiga days.

A friend dropped around about 5 years after I sold that Amiga, He had a surprise
for me - My Amiga 600!! Yes, yes, He picked it up at a salvage yard for a gigantic $1.00
I know its mine due to the engravings, missing screws and soldered bits on the inside.

Now, that it is returned to me, Im going to leave it on the other side of the world
and see if it comes back - or I might get buried with it when I die..
I havent decided yet....

Not to point out the obvious but... (5, Funny)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720118)

no waiting for the system to swap out when switching between major applications

I hear not having any will do that for you.

boot time (1)

oedneil (871555) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720152)

There was an Ask Slashdot a while back about why Windows doesn't have a faster boot time. I don't remember what the final consensus was, but how come this OS is able to boot so quickly? Why can't Windows do this?

Re:boot time (2, Informative)

izomiac (815208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720358)

I'd guess bloat. I would assume that Windows is an order of magnitude or two larger than this OS. That said, though, I've heard of people cutting XP's boot time to 12 seconds. Still, I have no idea why "modern" OSes take so long to boot. Linux takes a couple minutes on my computer, and I hear Macs are similar to XP. Personally I run the BeOS which is similar to Amiga in boot time (I've heard of people booting in 5 seconds). And that's to a fully usable desktop (no login, ready to open Firefox), while checking for hardware changes (you could swap out your video card and there's no prompts or delay). So fundamentally I don't see any reason why other OSes can't boot in 10 seconds or less.

Re:boot time (2, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720482)

Windows gets a lot of flak for booting slowly, but in my experience, Windows XP is unbelievably fast compared to Windows 2000 or Fedora Core. Between work and home, I've got two Fedora 6 desktops, two Windows XP desktops, and a Mac OS X laptop that I work with regularly, plus a number of servers running Win2K and various Linux distros. The two XP boxes are ready to log in in 10-20 seconds. Win2k and Linux tend to take 1-2 minutes, regardless of hardware speed. I haven't measured the OSX box, but it's comparable to the XP system. Possibly a little slower, but nowhere near the Win2K and Linux systems.

I don't get it... (2)

Grinin (1050028) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720174)

I know it was a cool OS back in the day... but now hasn't it been surpassed by just about every other operating system / linux distribution? Also... if you can't buy the hardware for it whats the point? To say "Hey... I got Amiga OS on a CD!"

Can it even be run in a VM environment?

Long live Amiga! (1)

Vacardo (1048640) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720240)

Hell, they'd better include following functions in the next patch of Amiga OS4:

* Synthesised Boot-Block Error and Guru Mediation Codes!

* That Robo-Speech program we all used to type dirty words!

* A button that simulates "Blowing on the floppy to make sure it loads this time"!

GNAA (-1, Troll)

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OOOH! (1)

nocookieforyou (1054250) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720266)

I hope it can play old Amiga games like SuperCars and Lotus!!!!!! and who could forget dear old Eliza, the simulated psychologist: "Please elaborate on ****"

Why Amiga? Why not Zeta? (2, Interesting)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720274)

Perhaps most telling, the reviewer was able to move his daily writing workflow from Windows XP to AmigaOS 4.0: 'Not only was it possible to do this, but having done so I feel no urge to switch back. It is nice to not have any distractions when working -- there is no waiting for the system to swap out when switching between major applications, no constant reminders for updates or to download new virus definitions and even if the worst happens and the system locks up, it takes only seven seconds to reboot and get back to a functional desktop.'
If you're looking for a fast booting and obscure operating system I'd recommend something more like Zeta (what has become of BeOS).

http://www.zeta-os.com/ [zeta-os.com]

I really liked BeOS. In fact I've installed and used it in the past year. Though it was short lived ;)

I'm sure these operating systems are excellent for older hardware that has already been downgraded to web browsing, emailing, and simple word processing. All they need to do is boot and run Firefox. Google takes care of the rest. Has anyone made an uber-lite Linux distro that just includes X and Firefox? Perhaps even launches straight to a Firefox full screen window with tabs. I guess maybe a Linux web kiosk ... shit, I've got to look that up!

Nice Nostalgia (5, Interesting)

ewhac (5844) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720310)

A quick Google will reveal that I was very deep into the Amiga at one time, and a lot of the platform architecture still holds a lot of appeal for me. I wrote a eulogy [vwh.net] for the platform about 12 years ago. Even to this day, I still judge a platform's value by how it stacks up against the Amiga's design and philosophy.

If I could find an affordable Ethernet card, my Amiga 3000 would still be in active use today, mostly as an archive server for all my old stuff. Sadly, the only Ethernet cards I can find are $150 or so, and the TCP/IP stack is (usually) not included.

The way things are now, though, the only way Amiga will have a future is if A) a dedicated investor with very deep pockets and a lot of patience funds a company to look after it; or B) they Open Source the entire OS and support utilities. The latter is likely very easy from a contractual aspect, since the only "borrowed" code was from TRIPOS, and much of that was re-written in C for the OS 2.04 release years ago.

I could go on and on about what made Amiga great, but every time I even mention it, people immediately place me in the slot marked, "crazy." I'd like to see more Amiga philosophy in modern software design, but even I have to admit that light of Amiga may be irretrievably fading. Really, you people have no idea what you missed...

Schwab

Re:Nice Nostalgia (1)

whorfin (686885) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720576)

Well, if people can have unnatural reverence for the IBM M Keyboard [wikipedia.org] or Rotary Dial Phones [wikipedia.org], I see no reason why sticking by the virtues of the Amiga is to be shamed. However, just remember not to mumble too much when you stare at people.

Re:Nice Nostalgia (1)

DingerX (847589) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720692)

Nostalgia is Greek for "pain of the mind".

The Amiga was the only OS I ever used where my interaction with it was characterized by screaming obscenities: it worked really well, really fast, and without ambiguity.

Reading this article makes it all hurt again: the author tries to write a review that glosses over the fact that all the applications are fifteen years behind the time, and the author fails. It still hurts.

Memory protection... sorta (0, Flamebait)

misleb (129952) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720446)

New features include limited memory protection


Welcome to the 1990's, Amiga!

-matthew

Amiga4Life (1)

Intrinsic (74189) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720454)

I dont care what anybody thinks. I love the Amiga, and it was a sad day when I had to give it up because it was not keeping pace with the rest of the world.

Awe inspiring games came out of that machine, Out Of this World, and Another World all the stuff from Delphine Software for that matter. To this day I think about how those games were designed, and it still effects me on a basic level as I work on my multimedia projects.

All I got to say is keep the Amiga posts coming I love to listen to peoples version of the days of old. And down with the naysayers, you will never understand the power of the dark side my padawan learners!

http://www.amigaforever.com/ [amigaforever.com] Biatches! :)

After reading TFA (2, Insightful)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720460)

While I enjoyed a review of all the old programs and whatnot, this would be like a company buying windows 3.1 from microsoft, updating it to 4, and a reviewer touting the joys of lotus smart suite or eudora.

I am a fan of old hardware and my old macintosh 512 lives on in a basilisk II emulator which I will occasionally use to play some of those old mac games. (galax ftw!)

Anywho, I am all for an OS and hardware being limited to the hobbiest domain, sort of like using ham radio instead of IRC, but I shudder to think what would happen if an OS that lacked rudimentary memory security until recently was unleashed upon the harsh interweb en mass. I'm certain amiga OS would have even less security than OS/X and a lonely hacker could ruin a lot of people's fun.

Bad resolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720498)

[...] and much better 680x0 emulation.

680x0? What a terrible resolution!

FaiLz0rs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17720620)

go of the minutiae FreeBSD had Long is theX ultimate goals I personally

I miss my Amiga too. (1)

deusdiabolus (664790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720624)

...of course, more than anything I miss the fact that I could access that box of 3.5" floppies with all my .MODs on them. Does anyone know if the newer OSes (including this one) will have some sort of backwards compatibility for FFS-formatted floppies?

That's not our Amiga; It's Amiga-branded (4, Insightful)

Dwonis (52652) | more than 7 years ago | (#17720676)

I remember when "Amiga" meant innovation and usability at an affordable price. One of the amazing things about the Amiga was that most of the cheesy slogans that were used to sell it (e.g. "Only Amiga makes it possible" and "The computer for the creative mind") were true. It felt good to own an Amiga, because it was orders of magnitude better than anything else out there.

Today, "Amiga" is just a trademark. Will this new Amiga-branded system compete with Mac OS X? With GNU/Linux? With Windows? If not, why should I, as an nostalgic Amiga zealot, care?

I have no need for yet more proprietary hardware running yet another proprietary OS in a time when commodity hardware and free software are where most of the interesting things are happening.

The new Amiga we dream of won't be called "Amiga". It will be something completely different---built by a small group of brilliant people that nobody has ever heard of---not the underwhelming output of some company whose only real purpose is to figure out how to extract revenue from the copyrights and trademarks for a 20-year-old technology.

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