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U.S. Cities Don't Make the Intelligence Cut

samzenpus posted more than 7 years ago | from the the-most-common-elements-in-the-universe-are-hydrogen-and-stupidity dept.

Education 350

coondoggie writes "For the second year running, no U.S. city has made the list of the world's top Intelligent Communities of 2007, as selected by global think tank Intelligent Community Forum. The ICF selects the Intelligent Community list based on how advanced the communities are in deploying broadband, building a knowledge-based workforce, combining government and private-sector "digital inclusion," fostering innovation and marketing economic development."

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Incorrect (4, Interesting)

RichPowers (998637) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747268)

According to the Intelligent Community Forum's website, Cleveland, Ohio made the Top 7 list in 2006. Even so, I still wouldn't want to live there :p http://www.intelligentcommunity.org/displaycommon. cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=62 [intelligentcommunity.org]

Re:Incorrect (4, Interesting)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747442)

Interesting that two Canadian cities made the cut, while every other nation only had one.

Re:Incorrect (5, Insightful)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747980)

That's because Canada is two nations [iht.com] , not just one.

Re:Incorrect (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747548)

Cleveland really isn't that bad. It's a pain in the ass in the winter because of all of the lake effect snow, but it's not a bad town for the most part.

Yeesh. (3, Funny)

loganrapp (975327) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747914)

They put (a district of) Seoul in there. A city where people keep dying from Counterstrike.

They don't pee there, anymore! They just stop peeing.

Its always been that way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747270)

Someday the United States of Mexico will get with the times.

Your neighbors want you to move... (1)

Atomic6 (1011895) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747534)

...so that their city's average intelligence rating goes up.

whuh? (5, Funny)

theonetruekeebler (60888) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747274)

Did I miss something? I was watching American Idol.

Re:whuh? (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747424)

Did I miss something? I was watching American Idol.

What? They Pre-empted the season premiere of "Ow! My Balls!" with that crap?

You one o' them fancy pantsy types? (1)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747618)

You some kinda' Europeon fancy-pantsy girly man?

Us regular folk been watching "Ow! My balls!" :]

Huh? (5, Insightful)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747284)

As based on Broadband deployment?
Instead of basing it on say, the intelligence of the community.

But, it was part of the Pacific Telecommunications Council, so I'm sure they have an agenda somewhere.

TV rots your brain (4, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747396)

... but watching youtube makes you intelligent. Yup, broadband as an intelligence measure beats all those dumb ink blot tests.

Re:TV rots your brain (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747826)

There's a lot more educational content on YouTube than you'll ever find on most American TV channels.

There are numerous foreign language courses on YouTube, for instance. There's a lot of foreign language content, as well, which is very valuable when trying to learn another language. In America, you'll rarely find anything other than English or Spanish being used in the vast, vast majority of TV programming.

There are also a number of instructional videos that teach one how to play various musical instruments. Again, that's something you just won't see on American TV.

If all you watch on YouTube is Family Guy clips and anime, no, you probably won't become any more intelligent. But if you use YouTube to access content that you'd never see on American TV, then you likely will become wiser, more talented, and better aware of the world around you.

Re:TV rots your brain (1)

jamar0303 (896820) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747892)

oh yes- things like "soramimi hour" and many other comedy pieces which make up quite a bit of Japanese TV.

Re:TV rots your brain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17748044)

On TV there's crap, crap and more crap. At least online there is something other than crap out there if you look hard enough.

Re:Huh? (1)

JCOTTON (775912) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747518)

By population:
Engineering is done by one third of one percent.
Science is done by one tenth of one percent.

Everyone else is either watching TV or making entries in Slashdot.

Re:Huh? (1)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747790)

Engineering and science aren't the only intelligent activities that you can do on Teh Webs.

Re:Huh? (2, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747526)

Well, you've rather hit my initial reaction on the head.

To me an intelligent community is one that deploys and manages its community with some semblence of intelligence, creating a general atmosphere of what is often called "livability."

If we use that as our measure than American cities are. . .

Oh. Wait. Nevermind.

Crumb's Short History of America [zubeworld.com]

KFG

Agreed, tag article "uselessmetric" (1, Insightful)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747574)

I agree. If anyone else does, tag the article "uselessmetric" .

Re:Huh? (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747602)

As based on Broadband deployment?
Yep, gotta have broadband to carry all the traffic from zombies, and to bring the pr0n into people who stay indoors all the time because it's too cold to be out.

Re:Huh? (1)

troll -1 (956834) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747616)

Yeah, they didn't base it on something like, say, robotics [youtube.com] , because then the US would come out ahead. I've noticed that broadband deployment along with high school math quizzes seem to be popular with these 'the US is falling behind' studies and I'm not even American.

How's it goin' eh? (4, Interesting)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747286)

Canada has two finalists. PRetty good eh?

Re:How's it goin' eh? (1)

JoGlo (1000705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747332)

"Canada has two finalists. PRetty good eh?"

Not unless the volume of broadband available has some correlation with IQ. I'd just reckon that the cities that made the list are the havens for the biggest black patch brigades - you know, P2P file "sharing"?

And games - don't forget about computer games.

Not to mention the indulgence of those communities in the pornographic "arts".

Sorry, call me a bad loser, but there's no way that I would accept that the penetration of the internet can ever equate to intelligence - rather the opposite, in fact!

Re:How's it goin' eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747368)

die in a fire fag americans are stupid

Re:How's it goin' eh? (1)

JoGlo (1000705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747466)

Who's American?????

Not me!

I'll give you a clue.....G'day sport!

Re:How's it goin' eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747884)

You're a homosexual Welshman?

Re:How's it goin' eh? (2, Interesting)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747474)

P2P is an important contribution. The longer we have it, and the more entrenched it becomes, then the harder it will become for the government here to enact draconian copyright laws like your DMCA. Yes, let's criminalize in one law what another law expressly allows.

That is the stupidity. The other stupidity is that "you the people" allow it.

I know it gives mychildren access to research tools they never would have had. Wikipedia, HowStuffWorks, and other similar sites have taught my children a great deal. Heck, taught me a great deal. I enjoy an hour sitting down and just browsing through articles. Count the number of errors per article if you like, heck even discount the science articles altoghether - popular culture has never been documented as well in history as it is in Wikipedia.

No, internet usage is an important metric.

Re:How's it goin' eh? (1, Interesting)

Brickwall (985910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747362)

Ottawa-Gatineau? The worst ten years of my life were the four years I lived there. There are a few high tech firms with some smart dudes, but most of the people are either boring, clueless morons with high school educations working as clerks for the federal government, or lying, thieving politicians and their cronies.

Criteria? (1, Redundant)

Archtype (914099) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747290)

How do they judge? All my neighbors seem pretty smrt.

Re:Criteria? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747562)

How do they judge? All my neighbors seem pretty smrt.

That begs the question, what do all of your neighbors think about you?

Intelligent Community Forum (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747292)

Fuck those fucking fucks.

Lobbyist Alert (5, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747298)

The ICF met and announced this list as part of the 29th annual Pacific Telecommunications Council (PTC) conference

This is a political ploy by Telecoms to push governments into subsidizing broadband. It is trolling, just like "You are not intelligent if you don't use vi/java/rails/xml/etc." We've been -1trolled.
       

Re:Lobbyist Alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747502)

This is a political ploy by Telecoms to push governments into subsidizing broadband.

God knows the telecoms aren't going to bother to do it by themselves.

Re:Lobbyist Alert (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747568)

That's because no self-respecting business wants to pay to improve their system when they can bilk their consumers for what they already offer when there's no competition. Why else does Internet in, say, New Zealand suck so horribly?

-uso.

Re:Lobbyist Alert (1)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747708)

I use vim, you insensitive clod!:wq

Re:Lobbyist Alert (1)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747738)

whatever gets them to give us affordable service faster than about 5mb/s, i'm all for.

even if it's just as bad as that political campaign crap for once it's positive.

Re:Lobbyist Alert (1)

umbrellasd (876984) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747772)

It is trolling, just like "You are not intelligent if you don't use vi/java/rails/xml/etc."
:i xmlStream.println("<comment>But your example is " + IsConfused() + ".</comment>");
/etc/boggle

Buzzwordification (5, Funny)

DirePickle (796986) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747302)

Oh, curses! Our synergystic engineerification of innovationist intelligent-making just can't keep up with the likes of Dundee, Scotland!

Re:Buzzwordification (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747508)

Oh, curses! Our synergystic engineerification of innovationist intelligent-making just can't keep up with the likes of Dundee, Scotland!

Yeah, well I bet they don't even have a Time Masheen.

Re:Buzzwordification (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747546)

As a resident of Dundee, Scotland, I can only say something must have gone horribly wrong with their methodology.

In other words, if your city is on the list, panic.

Nothing to see here. move along. (5, Informative)

dfenstrate (202098) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747306)

The Intelligent Community Forum is basically rating cities on how much they consume the services of the IT people who make up the forum. Think of it as marketing for the IT 'Guild.'

It has little to do with the actual overall quality of a community in anyway except the dollar amount of the IT salaries they pay out of tax money. Though, I suppose, slashdot would be the place for this sort of thing.

Re:Nothing to see here. move along. (1)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747420)

Mod parent up, +1 Disclosure.

Only a small suprise, no disappointment (0, Flamebait)

Soulfarmer (607565) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747308)

Nothing to see here, move along.

There are intelligent life outside of US borders after all. I wonder how much of it is inside those borders.

And my karma can handle this.

Re:Only a small suprise, no disappointment (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747580)

I wonder how much of it is inside those borders.

Bugger All [artelevision.com]

KFG

Seems like companies doing as little as possible. (1)

bxbaser (252102) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747314)

Seems like usa isp's are doing only whats needed to stay competitive or whats needed to achieve larger market share.
Instead of increasing thier offerings they are speading into new areas figuring why spend more when less will do.

Re:Seems like companies doing as little as possibl (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747354)

You are exactly correct. While the rate on certain things, they have not weighted various aspects of providing or consuming those services. This lack of weighting just makes the report a set of statistics that should be ignored for the most part.

Let me translate from the Market-Speak (5, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747334)

"We want government to pay for lots of Broadband so the people proping up this institute make lots of money."

"The Intelligent Community Forum (ICF) is a nonprofit think tank that focuses on job creation and economic development in the broadband economy." [intelligentcommunity.org]

This is not an objective measure of how "intelligent" a community is, it's an objective measure of what broadband policies will make the global technocratic elite supporters of the institute the most money. And the "Digital Inclusiveness" blurb means "How can we get more money from taxpayers to line our pockets?"

But I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising. In fact, I would say that was worth $25,000 of free advertizing for them, which means that now Slashdot will have to register as a paid lobbyist. Oh wait, that bill was defeated.

Question: (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747336)

From FTA: "The PTC conference, which had 4,000 attendees, features information and communications technologies, public policy initiatives..."

So IOW, if you don't fit their ideology and/or political agendae, you're not among the intelligent cities on Earth?

Not a very intelligent way to measure intelligence, is it?

/P

Very human! (3, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747340)

How typical: you pick what criteria you think are important, define them as "intelligence", and then determine that everybody else is less intelligent than you are.

When it happens at a conference, it's just back-slapping. Scale it up and its racism and then genocide.

Whatever, guys. As long as you stop short of the genocide I really don't care what you think.

that's it (1)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747464)

How typical: you pick what criteria you think are important, define them as "intelligence", and then determine that everybody else is less intelligent than you are. Whatever, guys. As long as you stop short of the genocide I really don't care what you think.

(squints eyes)... With all that smart talk, I bet you're that guy in the funny pajamas that broke my house. I bet you don't even have your tattoo either.

I have a feeling I'll be seeing you on the next Monday Night Rehabilitation.

froSt 4ist? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747360)

best. IndivE1duals

oh my god! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747468)

you so fucking fail it!

I'm not saying we Americans aren't dumb, but.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747366)

The ICF selects the Intelligent Community list based on how advanced the communities are .. combining government and private-sector "digital inclusion," ..
.. do I smell socialist bias?
..and fostering innovation and marketing economic development.
Or maybe even a fascist bias?

That's the reason I moved to the US from France (2, Interesting)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747374)

That's the reason I moved to the US from France. I wanted to be surrounded by intelligent individuals. Give me intelligent individuals over intelligent planning and intelligent leaders any day.

What a surprise (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747394)

Yeah, right, what a surprise... I've heard a rumour that large majority of americans actually believe in god(!), and even that in some states one can't hold a public office if they are atheist. We've done away with that in europe few hundred years ago.

Re:What a surprise (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747530)

Not really you just changed the name and the rules.... using a belief system as a format for racism and fascism is somewhat the nature of things in that area you speak of.... oh yes sadly atheist BELIEFS are categorized as a religion.

Crazy religious folks:
I believe in god
I follow (insert religious icon) and his ideals
Living under the rules of (insert religious icon) is the right thing.
Everyone who thinks different is uncivilized and therefore less enlightened

Crazy atheist folks:
I believe in no god
I follow Darwin and his ideals
Living under the rules of society is the right thing.
Everyone who thinks different is uncivilized and therefore less intelligent.

hows that different again?

Go Scotland and Dundee! (2, Interesting)

bollox4 (852236) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747402)

For a such tiny nation Scotland still does a lot for the world in terms of providing world firsts and educational achievements. Go Scotland!

Public education doesn't work (2, Insightful)

argoff (142580) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747428)

Like most government programs, they start out with nice intentions but fail terribly when implemented. The US doesn't have an education service. Maybe we have a mandatory babysitting service, or perhaps a temporary incarceration service, or even a parent/youth entertainment service, but not an education service. The thing that is most sickening though is that no matter how badly education coerced at other peoples expense fails, ther are sill mobs who cling to the concept as if their very life depended on it. It's like communisim, even after the murder of 100 million people, ther are still people who cling to this failed ideology. These people are sick, just sickening.

Re:Public education doesn't work (1)

Watson Ladd (955755) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747476)

What do you think they have in Europe? Hint:It's not private schools.

Re:Public education doesn't work (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747532)

You should at least try to qualify your statements. Public education works fine in many, many countries. Just because it's fucked up in the US doesn't mean it's a failed ideology.

Re:Public education doesn't work (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747690)

Like most government programs, they start out with nice intentions but fail terribly when implemented. The US doesn't have an education service.

No, it doesn't, but it is working exactly as designed.

KFG

Re:Public education doesn't work (1, Insightful)

shanen (462549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747694)

If that isn't flamebait... Another example of miserable /. moderation. About time for another 11-month departure. I'll save a more substantive reply for elsewhere. This troll thread doesn't deserve it.

Re:Public education doesn't work (0, Offtopic)

shanen (462549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747870)

Calling a troll a troll gets moderated as flamebait? Thanks for making my point about the miserable quality of /. moderation, whoever you are.

Tallinn, Estonia (4, Interesting)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747436)

I wasn't really surprised to see Tallinn, Estonia on the list. I went to Tallinn back in '97. Now, personally, I don't care for the friggin' cold places like that (Estonia is within swimming distance of Finland, if you happen to be a seal). Back in '97, and keep in mind, this was only 6 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Estonia was kicking our butts in cell phone technology. What is wrong with the U.S. that this little former Soviet republic in such a short time just started beating our pants off technologically. Granted, they got a lot of help from Finland (their languages are very similar and there's some history between the two). Good for them for improving their lot in life significantly. Too bad people in the U.S. aren't very concerned about improving their own lot in life. If they were, maybe they'd elect a president who was concerned with their lot in life as well.

Re:Tallinn, Estonia (5, Insightful)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747860)

That's nothing, Paco! My *apartment* beats the flying fuck out of every nation on the planet: 100% broadband penetration. 100% employed in the IT field. 8:1 computer to user ratio. All this despite having a GDP several orders of magnitude smaller than any nation on the planet.

Estonia's land area is smaller than 41 of the 50 US states. It has a lower population tha 40 of the 50 US states. Maybe it would be wise to consider the challenges in deploying a cellular service to a massive country vs. to a tiny country.

Finally you ought to consider what it really means to improve your life.

If you want talk "beating pants off technologically" you might want to take a look see about which countries make high performance micro processors.

Re:Tallinn, Estonia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747992)

Maybe it would be wise to consider the challenges in deploying a cellular service to a massive country vs. to a tiny country.

Maybe you should consider how difficult it is to install infrastructure in a country that is knee-deep in mud!

Re:Tallinn, Estonia (5, Interesting)

doktor-hladnjak (650513) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747944)

The reason Estonia advanced its cellular technology so fast was because the existing Soviet era landline system was a mess and inadequate for the communication needs of the country. People had been on waiting lists for phones for years. When further investment in the infrastructure was available, cellphones were already on the scene so it made sense to focus there instead of on an outdated system.

How far down? (5, Funny)

bigdavex (155746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747440)

That's nothing that a few nukes can't solve.

Re:How far down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747732)

Don't you mean smart bombs?

Re:How far down? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747820)

That's nothing that a few nukes can't solve.

The Whitehouse called you for an interview.
       

Re:How far down? (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747866)

A very American way of thinking

The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.

mod dow@n (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747446)

and distract1on obtain a copy of And was taken over itself backwards, OS. Now BSDI is give other people

Looking in the wrong place (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747450)

The ICF should be looking in Eureka [scifi.com] , everyone knows that!

Of course! (2, Insightful)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747456)

Firstly, this study is based on a bunch of arbitrary points of evaluation. They could have as easily decided a cities intelligence based on the number of car accidents or the number of fire hydrants.

I'd like to see a study that shows which cities have the most number of universities and the number of successful startups and successful large companies in it.

How about which cities have the highest number of employed people with degrees...

I can think of a lot of ways to measure a cities intelligence, however measuring their broadband penetration isn't one of them.

Re:Of course! (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747666)

Just because they based it on arbitrary random criteria that may be wrong doesn't mean their conclusion might not be correct.

I am somehow unsurprised.... (1, Troll)

mark-t (151149) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747480)

... by a prevalence of posts from Americans who assert that this evaluation is obviously biased and does not reflect accuracy.

Re:I am somehow unsurprised.... (2, Interesting)

dave420 (699308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747550)

I don't think you're trolling... There seems to be many people on /. who don't like to think of their country as anything other than the "greatest". I guess having that jammed down your throat since you're born could have something to do with that. Cognitive dissonance. Tasty.

Re:I am somehow unsurprised.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747630)

hmm how does one answer that... oh i remember now
Your using a PC that has a US invented and designed proc
You came to a US based website
you got you IP address from a US based org (ICAAN)
your connected using a little network based on a US project
to tell a bunch of people from the US that they are stupid

yeah we are the dumb ones.... I am not saying USA is the best.... but I can't think of to many places I would rather live.

Re:I am somehow unsurprised.... (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#17748062)

I'm not surprised, either. After all, measuring broadband penetration and calling it "intelligence" is most definitely not accurate.

19,355 cities in USA and none made it ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747490)



compared to the rest of the involved countries i would say thats a pretty poor showing considering the UK and Canada has 2 nominations and has a fraction of the population and probably a lot less than 19,000 cities

It's sad (4, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747540)

It's sad to see the US fall so far behind in the category of meaningless buzzwords. I remember when we were the dynamic nexus of vocabulatory synergistics.

Time for new moderation? (1)

GFree (853379) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747552)

Does this mean that anyone who posts from a U.S. IP will now automatically obtain a '-1, Dumbass' moderation to all posts? What a revelation!

So the entire world is dumb (4, Insightful)

Deflatamouse! (132424) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747572)

before broadband was invented?

Uh huh (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747592)

You know, I've been to Tallinn; I'm not going to be getting jealous of this list just yet.

Obviously... (2, Funny)

Stinky Fartface (852045) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747610)

...they didn't go to Paramus, New Jersey

Thats because.. (1, Troll)

SQLz (564901) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747636)

We're too busy banging our heads with bibles over here. You don't need broadband when you have gay hating Jesus on your side.

Global Think Tank Eh? (1)

CupBeEmpty (720791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747644)

Is it based in France per chance?

Oblig Mrs Doubtfire quote (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747658)

For the second year running, no U.S. city has made the list of the world's top Intelligent Communities of 2007 [CC], as selected by global think tank Intelligent Community Forum

"We've come to this planet looking for intelligent life. Oops, we made a mistake."

Blue cities, blue states (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747660)

Heavy American population centers are "blue" zones -- socialized and socialist havens.

Ie., democrats.

Ie., stupid.

Cleveland? (2, Informative)

etnu (957152) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747670)

Sorry, anyone who thinks that Cleveland is the most "intelligent" city in the U.S....probably lives in Cleveland. I'm sure there are some intelligent people there, but my experience (20 years of it) was that it was a mostly-dead rust belt city full of drunks and young people who just wanted to move to new york, la, or san francisco. The only other city on this list that I've been to is the ontario area, which, while decent, was far from one of the most "intelligent" cities. How many of these "intelligent" cities have fostered innovative new companies in the last century? How many play host to world class universities? More innovative products come out every year from cities like Tokyo and New York than all the other cities on the list combined. What a stupid article.

Re:Cleveland? (1)

Brickwall (985910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747948)

The only other city on this list that I've been to is the ontario area, which, while decent, was far from one of the most "intelligent" cities. How many of these "intelligent" cities have fostered innovative new companies in the last century? How many play host to world class universities? More innovative products come out every year from cities like Tokyo and New York than all the other cities on the list combined.

I assume you're referring to Waterloo. Waterloo is home to one fine technology university - the University of Waterloo is considered one of the top research and engineering institutions anywhere; IIRC, it is one of the few places where Microsoft keeps a permanent recruiter. It has another liberal arts college, Wilfred Laurier, which is pretty good for a town of less than 100,000.

As for innovative products, the RIM Blackberry was invented there, one of the eBay founders was educated there, there are many successful software firms, and I worked for a firm that developed a world-leading telephone management system when the city was much smaller than it is now. And I don't make it a practice to keep up on the area's technology firms.

Now, I would never compare Waterloo to New York or Tokyo, but then those cities are 100 times larger. I don't doubt for a second there are more smart people in NYC than in Waterloo, but having been there, I'll wager there are many, many more stupid people. Waterloo has no areas like NYC ghettos. I'd be willing to bet that the average level of education and intelligence in Waterloo is higher than in New York City; no comments on Tokyo, having never visited.

Woodbine, Illinois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747674)

That's a shame, I was certain Woodbine would make it!

homer said it best (1)

rtjohn (672608) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747688)

DOH!!!

Public Education BD and now... (5, Interesting)

shanen (462549) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747798)

Causally related, but the topic was introduced by a troll, so I prefer to reintroduce it more seriously... The topic is the problems with public education in the States as a contributing factor to the decline of America.

Public education works fine in many countries--the ones that take the future seriously enough. Mostly that means funding the public education system with a better economic model than property taxes and bond-based borrowing. Educating your citizens is a great investment and those educated citizens become great assets for any civilization above hunting and gathering. Well, actually even the hunters and gatherers can benefit from knowledge of what to hunt and what not to gather, but they're too busy trying to stay alive to worry about public schools.

My own experiences are with the American and Japanese public education systems. Just to deal with the easy topic first, the Japanese education system is quite good, and the bulk of it is public. The main distortions are in the private senior high schools and the cram schools. However, before you start crying about the relatively minor imperfections (compared to the present state of American public education), you better remember the Japanese educational system was to a great degree patterned on American models, both in Meiji times and again after the war. (And yes, I know Japan didn't have a winner this year, either, but it's the data point I have. However, that mostly disproves the OT's (Original Troll's) point blaming public education.)

For the American system, my experience is much more complicated. At the low levels I was in extremely good public schools through high school--but in a district that was one of the richest in the country at the time. I think we were No.2 for the entire nation on a per/student basis. Just an accident that the entire large area had been zoned residential, and those residential property taxes were being collected, but it was mostly vacant lots. Over the years the houses got built, the students arrived, the per/student money dropped to an average level, and the public schools dropped too. It's not the case that money always makes a difference, but it certainly is a major influence, and many of my important school experiences would not have happened except that my schools had the money at that time. That point is reinforced by my experience at one of the richest public universities, which was an awful school. My other degree was from a smaller private university that I regard as vastly superior to the enormous state school. Money isn't enough to counteract a staunchly conservative educational philosophy dedicated to forcing the students into the smallest possible mental boxes.

Just wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17747816)

Just wait until the electronic voting machines, network printers, traffic signals, home servers, etc. all link up via Wifi and become sentient. Then we will have intelligent cities.

Should this be "Advanced"? (2, Insightful)

MasaMuneCyrus (779918) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747856)

The criteria that needs to be met for a city to be considered "intelligent" seems more like criteria that would need to be met to be considered "advanced." Last I checked, broadband, "digital inclusion," etc... have nothing to do with intelligence -- just technological advancement and modernity.

you are where you think..... duh? (1)

aschrock (994050) | more than 7 years ago | (#17747940)

Sounds like somebody has been watching "idiocracy" a wee bit too much. A whole lot of geniuses have come out of the middle of nowhere... even places without, gasp, broadband. I mean, have you ever been to Dundee? It makes Edinburgh look like New York City in comparison.

I smell an off{s|w}horing lobby here. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 7 years ago | (#17748048)


The PTC conference, which had 4,000 attendees, features information and communications technologies, public policy initiatives, business development strategies and industry forecasts from an Asia Pacific point of view.
Well, at least they're clearly stating that they wish to act in the interests of offshoring, specifically to places that are friendly to worker abuse or areas that intend to treat businesses as godly entities.


  The glut of fiber capacity led to plummeting prices . just at the time when developing nations like India and China opened their economies to global competition and the nations of Eastern Europe moved into the orbit of the European Community.

Competitive does not mean "hand every advantage to Asia". That includes everything from offshoring to making the problem worse by not adopting a policy of no-nonsense, universal admission for citizens seeking higher education- getting our own house in order before accepting any guests. If the immigrants want to take university spots, fine - just have them in service to the citizens.

I'd hardly call China's economy open given the hurdles it puts on foreign investment yet flooding nations with low quality manufacturing. That means not falling on your own sword on for the sake of prosperity, nor doing so if asked.


The near-term result was the explosion of offshoring, as companies in industrialized nations found they could find highly qualified suppliers of services in countries where prevailing wages were a fraction of those in their home markets.
...or just people in slave-labor countries, countries that peg their currency below the dollar, or countries that exist as a loophole to discourage countries to put regulation on businesses.


Industrial Metamorphosis: factory jobs are becoming scarce. It's nothing to worry about.

Well, it's not like they're hiding they're cards on this one - they assume a very myopic view that prosperity can come out of globalization even if they avoid working on solutions with the displaced on the displaced's terms. Unfortunately, that's opposite of what will have to happen in the Midwest if they're going to get any traction greater than spinning wheels on ice. Otherwise they'll be seeing more pitchforks and less cooperation.


  The Populist Myths on Income Inequality - NY Times Sept 7 06


Apparently they think a bit highly of places known for their populism - I didnt know states like Ohio and Michigan were a large bunch of "university towns" disconnected from reality. The only disconnection that's provable is one from prosperity. Get that Harvardite in that article a 2 week visit across the Rust Belt, maybe it'll give him a more informed opinion.



According to the Intelligent Community Forum's website, Cleveland, Ohio made the Top 7 list in 2006
Somehow I think this was a token gesture and not a serious inclusion given they hold Ohio highly in no other light. Get a CCW permit, learn how to use that weapon, and Cleveland's quite fine. For education, you'd be better to avoid places in Ohio that dont try to have a prestige policy for admission for 4 year universities. That also includes Ohio State, which receives government funds yet also acts like it is CWRU Columbus.

In short, this group is indistinguishable from the ITAA and its kind.
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