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Canada Responsible for 50% of Movie Piracy

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the should-we-blame-the-government-or-blame-society dept.

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westcoaster004 writes "Hollywood is blaming Canada as being the source for at least 50% of of the world's pirated movies. According to an investigation by Twentieth Century Fox, most of the recording is taking place in Montreal theatres where films are released in both English and French. This has led to consideration of delaying movie releases in Canada. Their problem is that the Canadian Copyright Act, as well as the policies of local police forces, makes it difficult to come down especially hard on perpetrators. Convicting someone is apparently rather difficult, almost requiring a law officer to have a 'smoking camcorder' in the hands of the accused. Hence, the consideration of more drastic measures."

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Due South (5, Funny)

aedan (196243) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773484)

Benton Frasier would never do this.

Re:Due South (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773548)

Damn Canadians! THIS MEANS WAR!

After all it is in the US's interests isn't it?

Re:Due South (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773636)

It seems like everything's gone wrong since Canada came along.

Re:Due South (-1, Troll)

Rei (128717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774018)

I'd actually believe this. The only Canadians' houses I've been in were full of pirated videos -- both walls full of VHS and hard drives full of digital. So, even while this article is about recordings with camcorders, from what I saw, there's a cultural leaning towards free copying of videos. Combine that with first-world movie release dates and recording technology being readily affordable...

Re:Due South (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774218)

There's also the fact they have to pay a "piracy tax" on blank media, which they quite rightly resent. Of course it backfires by leading them to think "well, I might as well get my money's worth" which *AA execs were somehow too stupid to see would happen.

Re:Due South (4, Insightful)

PinkPanther (42194) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774336)

The only Canadians' houses I've been in were full of pirated videos
This statement tells me nothing about "Canadian culture" as you haven't specified how many "Canadians' houses" you've been to.

It does, however, tell me a lot about the company you find yourself in the midst of.

:-)(smiley to aid the unsarcasmable).

And 97% of that... (2, Funny)

popo (107611) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773486)

... is pr0n

Damn your collective punishments, MIAA! (2, Funny)

hexadecimate (761789) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773496)

It's all that bitch Anne Murray's fault!

Re:Damn your collective punishments, MIAA! (0, Offtopic)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773928)

Modded Flamebait? Boy, some idiot didn't get the joke.

Obligatory (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773500)

Blame Canada! [youtube.com]

They're not even a real country anyway

South Park (5, Funny)

jours (663228) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773506)

Looks like the South Park gang was right after all.

Re:South Park (5, Funny)

pollock (453937) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774124)

I haven't seen it. Got a .torrent handy?

Problem (4, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773518)

Ain't the "pirates" it's the 19th century business model they're clinging to.

Tip: Actors/Execs aren't worth the millions they're paid, and the everyday copyright infringement is proving that.

Tom

Re:Problem (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773936)

Tip: Actors/Execs aren't worth the millions they're paid, and the everyday copyright infringement is proving that.

Uh, yeah. If I steal your wallet, your money wasn't really of value, and the theft proves that. Furthermore, if I hit you over the head and take your wallet, that just goes to prove that your head isn't worth any more than a .torrent.

Re:Problem (1)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774110)

The average Canadian actor makes $12,000 a year. I'm not sure what your counterparts down there make, but I doubt it is millions, on average. A very, very select few make that kind of money.

Ever heard the term "starving artist"? It applies to actors.

Re:Problem (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774118)

I can see how musicians can earn money by performing, but that doesn't apply to the movie industry. Reproductions are all they have. What business model do you propose?

Re:Problem (1)

rhombic (140326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774168)

Live theater?

I usually enjoy them more than the worthless movies vomited out by H-wood anyway.

Re:Problem (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774268)

Theater ;)

Re:Problem (4, Interesting)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774176)

Wow, this isn't insightful at all.

In fact, actors and execs in the film industry are only paid what the market will bear - and what previous box office success warrants. for example, to say that peter jackson isn't worth what he's being paid for the LOTR franchise and ensuing going forward is absurd - because that franchise is verging on 5 billion, if not billions more. I'd wager that Peter's take is in the area of 250 million. I'd wager he's worth more than his take and then some.

infringement proves the opposite, actually - that the brands and content in question is of value that people are willing to take the moderate risk in STEALING IT.

and your point about sticking to a 19th century business model is moot - everyone complains about the business model but no one offers a viable alternative that won't result in a significant contraction/reshuffling of the industry.

Delaying releases (5, Funny)

Hobobo (231526) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773522)

They're going to delay movie releases to combat piracy? Brilliant!

Re:Delaying releases (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773692)

They're going to delay movie releases to combat piracy? Brilliant!
Well, their first plan was to just start making really shitty movies that nobody would want to waste drive space or blank DVDs on but they underestimated how desperate people are for new releases.

Re:Delaying releases (2, Funny)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774096)

Don't you mean: Their current plan of releasing really shitty movies that nobody would want to waste drive space or blank DVDS hasn't worked because they underestimated how desperate people are for new releases.

Bring on the year of the sequel! The Hills Have Eyes 2, National Treasure 2, Saw IV (four?!), Alien vs Predator 2, Austin Powers 4, Daredevil 2, etc, all coming out in 2007

Re:Delaying releases (2, Interesting)

Firefly1 (251590) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773716)

Yes, 'brilliant'. Especially when one realizes that these delays represent in and of themselves a good incentive for bootleggers (I refuse to use 'pirates' to describe them).
So, let's assume Hollywood decides to delay releases in Canada... what prevents the Canadian government from saying 'okay, fine; find somewhere else for your location shoots' and explaining to their public precisely why they took such a step?

Re:Delaying releases (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773988)

Simple, its worth a lot of money to Canadians to have movies filmed up here. It may be a lot cheaper than doing it in Hollywood, but it doesn't really cost us anything either.

Re:Delaying releases (5, Insightful)

tomee (792877) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773722)

Precisely. I live in Germany, where for reasons beyond me they a movie is sometimes released 3 months after the US. For example, Saw III still isn't out here. A perfect DVD quality rip has been floating about for a long time now. This is what breeds piracy.

Re:Delaying releases (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773990)

its to fight cams? -much ado aboot nothing! :)
the problem(?) was never cams. Since the days when I woored a video store and was given pre-release films to watch at home, it has never been about cams.

Re:Delaying releases (5, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774068)

So by that logic, if they delayed the release EVERYWHERE by two weeks, they'd stamp out piracy alltogether?

Just so it's clear... (5, Insightful)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773532)

1) Hollywood says Canada is responsible for 50% of all piracy.

2) So to "punish" the Canadians, they'll take away the legal avenue to purchase movies in Canada.

3) And this leads to....????? Profit???? Less Piracy?????

Presumably, the Canadian legislature will ask similar questions?

Just delaying theatrical releases. (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773646)

So the Canadians will have to wait a few weeks longer before they get to see a movie in the theater. This would be done to stop 'telesync' copyright infringement in Canada, but I see it as an incentive to get a pirated copy from the 'net.

Telesync (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773912)

Telesync copies, IMHO are more of a "look at me, I'm l33t" kind of thing. I don't think they're very watchable. I've always been shocked that hollywood focuses on what is not the main problem.

I have a feeling the issue of telesyncs is more one of ego... it probably bugs the crap out of Hollywood execs that it's done.

Maybe that's the issue with hollywood... everything is ego driven rather than via rational analysis. If that's true, it's costing them dearly.

Re:Just delaying theatrical releases. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774004)

What is really going on here is that the MPAA is threatening to delay theatrical releases. Basically, they are throwing a temper tantrum and using their shaking fists and baby behavior to be evidence of too much un-approved copying of media content by Canadians (who, btw, pay a tax on media to be able to do just that). The real goal here is to be able to have the Canadian legislature pass new law to take away the codified fair use rights of Canadian citizens. As an outsider, I will say that any Canadian legislator who falls for this is a traitor to their country.

The MPAA does not want any other countries getting any silly ideas like codifying their citizens fair use rights into law. That would be just too much to handle for the group of corporations whose business is selling movie distribution.

Yeah, if they did follow through on their threat Canadians would just get their movies from online. I guess the MPAA has really bad timing. They should not have waited until after there was a competing model of media distribution to try and reassert their control over the old way of media distribution.

I think it is time for the MPAA to fade into the sunset.

Re:Just so it's clear... (4, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773810)

Presumably, the Canadian legislature will ask similar questions?
Possibly, but like everyone else's government, ours doesn't always get it either.

See, part of the problem is our copyright law incorporates fair use explicitly. Since the *AAs couldn't get that part repealed, they managed to get themselves a levy on all blank media to counter the 'theft' which they are a victim of. Now, all recordable media that gets bought causes them to get paid a cut. Nice little scam from out perspective.

Many people in Canada have basically said "fsck it, if you're gonna charge me for all of my blank media, I'm gonna use some of it to make copies of your crap -- you're already getting paid, so I'm getting me a movie".

Mostly though, I'm absolutely shocked that many people are interested in seeing a camcorder recording of a movie. When I see a movie, I want a good picture quality -- not some friggin' hand-held recording of the movie.

Oh well, the vast majority of movies coming out nowadays are dreck anyway, and the ones I'm looking forward to, I'll go to/buy as soon as they're available to me.

Cheers

Re:Just so it's clear... (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773894)

Blank media? Can't you just download it all to a super cheap hard drive?

Re:Just so it's clear... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773958)

Blank media? Can't you just download it all to a super cheap hard drive?
At one point, they had been talking about applying the levy to hard-drives. Not sure of the current status of that.

Cheers

Re:Just so it's clear... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774354)

Many people in Canada have basically said "fsck it, if you're gonna charge me for all of my blank media, I'm gonna use some of it to make copies of your crap -- you're already getting paid, so I'm getting me a movie".

That's true. And copying movies & CDs for personal use is perfectly legal in Canada.

P2P downloading is less clear, but recent court cases have ruled against the music biz.

Blame Canada.. (5, Funny)

zyl0x (987342) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773534)

..we're not a real country anyway.

Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773540)

Shouldn't you need an offending video camera to convict someone of this *anywhere?* The problem obviously isn't Canada (as much as we'd like it to be) but rather the laws everywhere else. Lets have everyone use these same laws and have a "delayed release" everywhere. Nobody will know the difference, except a week or two gap in new movies one time.

Re:Wait... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774190)

Shouldn't you need an offending video camera to convict someone of this *anywhere?*

Yes. My first reaction to reading that was, "And the problem is?"

Actually, I've got a decent idea what the problem is, if someone watches your movie taken on the sly with a video camera in a theater replayed in a tiny little window on their computer and their reacition is not, "Whoa! I've got to go buy that so I can see it all proper like":

The problem is that your movie sucks.

They could, of course, solve the problem by making fewer, but better, movies. To not make a movie unless someone actually thinks the end product will be something worthwhile, but once you have reduced a creative endevour to an "industry" the fire in the boiler must be stoked constantly.

Feed me, Samuel.

KFG

KFG

Brrrrr.... (5, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773564)

...almost requiring a law officer to have a 'smoking camcorder' in the hands of the accused.

Sorry, but I just arrived from a 15 minute walk between buildings and my brain is frozen. (Which, I believe, is also Canada's fault.) Could someone please make the appropriate Sony battery-related comment?

What else? (1, Flamebait)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773570)

Well what else are you going to do in canada?!

Re:What else? (1)

euxneks (516538) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774026)

Well what else are you going to do in canada?!

It's cold, and it's warmer beside another body - you make the connection ;)

Re:What else? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774340)

Well what else are you going to do in canada?!

It's cold, and it's warmer beside another body - you make the connection ;)
Yes, but bestiality is looked down upon in the States (except Montana and only for sheep).

Re:What else? (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774034)

Well, I don't know about you, but the name "Amber MacArthur" comes to mind. ;)

Meh. (1)

Zab UvWxy (694326) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773592)

So they're going to delay releases... so what? We'll either drive over the border to a "local" US theatre, or download a US-recorded pirated copy. Makes no diff.

It's not like there's a lot of good flicks coming out lately anyway.

this is serious (5, Funny)

scooviduvoctagon (801935) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773616)

We're obviously going to need to declare war on Canada. This aggression will not stand.

Piracy is IP Terrorism.

Re:this is serious (1)

dami99 (1014687) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773892)

Haha... FTA: "Because of movie piracy, a U.S. congressional committee has added Canada to a "country watch list" that includes such well-known piracy havens as China, Russia, India and Malaysia."

Honestly, shit like this coming out of the US always makes me laugh.

No, no, please... (1)

subl33t (739983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774120)

... isn't releasing Tom Cruise upon the world punishment enough?

And then there were... (1)

Gilatrout (694977) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773626)

51

Great. Now I Get To Deal With Them At the Theater (4, Funny)

Doug Dante (22218) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773632)


Great. Now I'm going to have to watch a movie from behind some Canadian snow-back who slips over the border; his camcorder blocking half my view, and my only connection to the movie the flashes of the screen I get as his flopping head jib-jabbers "aboot" the militaristic nature of American culture.

Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
It seems that everything's gone wrong,
since Canada came along!

PS: Canada is my #1 favorite foreign country, I love to meet Canadians who come to the USA, and I always enjoy visiting Canada.

"Smoking camcorder"? (-1, Troll)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773638)

If you don't understand metaphors, please ... just don't use them.

So (4, Funny)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773644)

The US is the other 50%.

Blame Canada... (1)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773654)

......With their beedy little eyes makes them always look surprised Blame Canada Blame Canada their responsible for piracy anyway....

OMG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773664)

Every *single* comment on this story is by a raving canadian communist!!!

...wish I was in the land of Shatner! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773678)

Keep it gay. Keep it gay. Keep it gay.

What 50% of world movies? (4, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773724)

So focussed on America, these guys dont consider rest of the world to be world. First off 50% of the world movies are not produced in America. India makes more movies.

Singapore is the piracy capital for Tamil/Telugu movies. Dubai is the palce to go to get Bollywood movies. Hongkong is the piracy portal for China and Korea. Canada is probably a distant fourth when it comes to movie piracy.

Re:What 50% of world movies? (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774084)

But, the movie companies make a hell of a lot more money off overcharging Americans and if that revenue stream dries up they'd have to start making good movies again!

PS: Some good movies do slip through in the Hollywood crap factory, like Children of Men. That movie was great.

Excellent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773728)

So this means I won't see the latest Michael Bay schlockfest at the same time as Americans?

Excellent...

So... (1)

kick_in_the_eye (539123) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773730)

I guess that if the theatres delay the releases, I will just download later.

That was easy!

boo hoo. Hollywood needs Canada's cash. (5, Insightful)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773736)

Canada probably doesnt give a crap if their film releases get delayed. They will see them when they're released right? Hollywood needs Canada's money more than Canada needs Hollywood's film releaes in theaters. Besides.. by releasing the films later in Canada, more Canadians will be forced to download them illegally.

Treat people like they're criminals, and they will become criminals.

Re:boo hoo. Hollywood needs Canada's cash. (1)

KS1178 (562488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774162)

The issue isn't about Canadians that download movies. It's that many copies of movies found on the internet that have been recorded using a camcorder in a movie theater have been taken in Canada. So, if the movie is not released in Canada, the movie cannot be recorded in a Canadian theater. This time at least they are going to the source to try and stop it. Supposedly there's some sort of advanced watermarking system used on all movie reals, that can be used when viewing a camcorder copy of a movie to pinpoint where the copy originated from.

Re:boo hoo. Hollywood needs Canada's cash. (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774182)

Hollywood needs Canada's money more than Canada needs Hollywood's film releaes in theaters.

That applies not just to Canada, but everywhere. If the world ended tomorrow, Hollywood would be SOL. If Hollywood ended tomorrow, there would be a dozen more mini-hollywoods around the globe ready to step in. In fact, there already are - Hong Kong, Vancouver, Seoul and Mumbai to start with.

Re:boo hoo. Hollywood needs Canada's cash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774284)

Push people into a corner, they will push back.

People always find a way to adapt.

The province of Quebec (where Montreal is situated) is the most taxed jurisdiction in North America.

As a result, Montreal is well known as having North America's largest underground economy (per capita of course). People are sick of being overtaxed [taxtips.ca] , have inadequate health care, crappy infrastructure, and have to pay 15% of taxes on almost everything they buy.

Watching movies in the theaters used to be much cheaper; things changed after the Paramount theater [cinemamontreal.com] came into town.

Guess when movie piracy started to take off?

Guess what will happen if they further restrict/delay movie distributions? Things will only get worse.

Oh yea, Go Habs Go.

FOX (1)

dami99 (1014687) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773756)

Does anyone actually believe anything that comes from a company with "FOX" in their name?

Anyway, this article is a stupid BS attemp to scare the Canadian public into supporting stronger copyright laws. The threat of delayed releases is laughable.

Re:FOX (3, Interesting)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774006)

Wouldn't delaying releases really screw hollywood a lot more? They'd have to spread their marketing budget over a much longer time to keep the buzz generated, otherwise people would say "I want to see that! Oh wait its not out yet..." then forget all about it before actually did come out.

Not to mention the people that it would increase the demand for bootlegs floating around online.

How about this, after they make a film, in order to prevent piracy they burn the master copy before anyone can see it. And shoot all the people involved in the production, so that they can't make another copy. Gotta catch 'em all!

Canada Rules (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773766)

And all this time all I thought Canada was good for was giving us Steve Nash. But Nash *and* that copy of The Transporter that I watched to make sure it's not worth paying $ for, well wow what else can one want?

Re:Canada Rules (2, Funny)

evil-osm (203438) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774016)

Lets get something straight. We didn't give you Steve Nash. MDG has a good solid grip [www.mdg.ca] on him still, good thing too, as I'm still waiting for him to make my new PC!

The glass is half empty... (1)

instantkamera (919463) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773772)

So who the fuck is responsible for the other 50%?


ps:
Someone mod all the redundant South Park references appropriately.

Tough DRM Because of Canada (0, Flamebait)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773820)

Those nicey nice Canadidians with their "Ay" and hockey. Hollywood is going to implement tough DRM just because of them. Or, they will stop making movies until Canadidia plays nicey nice with them.

I'd say invade them, hell, their navy has 3 row boats, a buoy, and a guy that knows how to fly fish. Their Air Force has 2 crop dusters and a guy who once did the voice overs for Superman ("Look, up in the sky.") And their Army knows where the ground is when given a multiple choice. It's the Marines I'm afraid of, they know all the words to "I'm a Lumberjack". But, what really scares me about invading Canadidia is that they may want to hug us.

I'd say, send them all our illegals, but they already have the French, and thats worse.

I'm Canadian. (3, Informative)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773824)

I'm a Canadian. I'm honestly not sure if the law applies to movies as well as music (I think it does), but in Canada, it's not copyright infringement if it's for personal use. You are free to download as much as you like if you aren't going to do anything bad with it (like sell it). If you are just going to watch it or listen to it, it's all good.

But we still have the CRIA ads in our theatres saying not to pirate the movies we just paid to watch. It has a tendency to piss us off. I have a friend who downloads a movie (any movie) before going to a theater to see a movie on general principles. The general consensus in Canada is that the CRIA is pure evil, and are kept on a very thin leash. We try not to give them money if we can at all help it. But we like to go to theatres, and we like our boxed DVDs, so most of us have extensive collections and go to the theatre frequently anyway.

But that being said, I'm sure that the vast majority of us pirates would be more than willing to pay a fair price for movies, if the price was fair, and the profits went to the artists instead of a cartel of gangsters.

Re:I'm Canadian. (4, Interesting)

kebes (861706) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774160)

in Canada, it's not copyright infringement if it's for personal use

Indeed, and that's what the U.S. movie industry so scared about. Quote from the article:

But here's the catch. Under the Copyright Act, you have to prove that an individual camcording in the theatre is doing it for distribution purposes.
Camcording a movie in Canada is not illegal (it could be for personal use). The illegal part is distributing the recording to others, but that is a completely separate event. Again from the article:

We don't want to have to prove the economic loss from distribution. We want it to be a Criminal Code activity to be caught camcording. Period.
Fantastic! Let's just assume everyone is a criminal if we even suspect that they don't support the status-quo monopoly!

Personally I don't want Canadians giving up any of their freedoms just to maintain the current distribution monopolies. All Canadians in the audience should consider signing the petition against copyright extension: http://www.digital-copyright.ca/billc60/ [digital-copyright.ca] .

Re:I'm Canadian. (2, Interesting)

Egonis (155154) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774188)

Agreed.
And it's also worth noting that Canada has the highest percent per capita of High-End Home Theatre Systems and DVD Sales.

I download movies, and decide whether I would like to own a copy. I own over 100 DVD's, and am not against purchasing a good movie I would like to watch again, and also to support the filmmakers who don't make typical garbage!

FYI: You can find this statistic information on Industry Canada's Site somewhere, CBC had made a report on this about 8 months ago.

This is a "Placed" PR piece (5, Informative)

davecb (6526) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773828)

The Globe and Mail fell for this too, back on the 7th as Pirates of the Canadians [theglobeandmail.com]

In fact, the majority of the actual copies are inside jobs, taken from "screeners" sent to reviewers and from copies made by distributors and projectionists. It's amazingly hard for a Montreal cop to catch a "camcorder" who isn't actually in the theater (;-))

Many are copied from copies destined for Quebec, as they include both the english- and french-language versions, and can be identified by watermarks as being destined for or actually sent to, for example, Cineplex Entertainment. Which may explain why Fox was threatening that particular distributor...

--dave

Incorrect facts? (4, Informative)

HFShadow (530449) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773832)

Recent movies including Children of Men, Borat, Night at the Museum and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest have been made available on the Internet days after they were released.

Funny, Children of Men's release date was december 25th, whereas:
11/16/2006 2006 Children Of Men .PROPER. MAVENSSUPPLIER [xx/50]

Hardly days after they were released, more like a month before hand. This always happens around this time of year as prerelease dvd's get sent out to reviewers, so how the hell are they trying to blame us Canadians for this? Who the hell download's cams anyways? Certainly not I.

Well, if they showed the movies in Canada (2, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773856)

they wouldn't have to download them, would they?

Many films never even get shown in Canada, and since they're a very multi-ethnic society, they tend to want to watch movies from many countries that just plain aren't shown there.

It's one thing to want people to pay for a movie that shows in a nearby theater.

It's another thing to want people to pay for a movie that:
a. never showed within 100 miles of them; and
b. when it did show was in another bleeding province.

what bs (2, Interesting)

strobe74 (617588) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773876)

I have a hard time believing Canada pirates more than places like china. I'd like to know exactly how they measure that.

I'm assuming they're using the "what unsupported accusation suits my needs best" method.

Re:what bs -- consider... (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774202)

I have a hard time believing Canada pirates more than places like china.

And just how big is the download market for movies dubbed in Chinese again?

More lobbying lies... (4, Funny)

sinij (911942) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773916)

Did you know that 75% of all statistics are made-up on a spot and remaining 25% are highly misleading when taken out of context?

Please, Canada? What about China, India or Eastern Europe where you can get movies before they released and where pirated disks openly sold on the street? Well, no, BLAME CANADA!

This is nothing more than FUD spread by *AA in effort to influence upcoming bill.

Evidence required for a conviction? (1)

chatgris (735079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773934)

"Convicting someone is apparently rather difficult, almost requiring a law officer to have a 'smoking camcorder' in the hands of the accused." Requiring proof is a *GOOD* thing. AFAIK, more proof should be required for most of the current RIAA lawsuits. (Screenshot of an ip address? That's laughable). Personally, I don't download any illegal movies or music, and I'm actually in support of the RIAA suing the people who actually download copyrighted content instead of the service providers. But should always be required for a conviction.

What?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773938)

You mean _half_ the actors in Pirates of the Caribbean are Canadian??! And all this time, I thought Johnny Depp was an American!

Now go away ... (1)

MatrixCubed (583402) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773942)

... or we shall taunt you a second time (and steal the other half of your movies).

Soft crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773956)

"In Canada, the theft of intellectual property is basically treated as a "soft crime," says CMPDA president Doug Frith"

That's because it is.

Yeah, to bad (2, Interesting)

Pizentios (772582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773960)

To bad, cause a Canadian Judge ruled that file sharing isn't illegal in Canada. See http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5182641.html [com.com] for more information. The greed induced coma that record and movie studio's are in now will successfully ruin (read: has ruined) the industry. I personally don't go to the movie theaters anymore because of the following reasons:

1) I don't enjoy paying more than $10 so see a movie, and lets face it, i am too lazy to go out and get a movie rental card :-P
2) I get a far better movie experience at home anyways, i have better sound/images and no jack ass sitting in front of me talking about what he thinks is going to happen in the movie next.
3) Most of the movies that come out today are crap. Also a great deal of them are ether remakes of old movies, or sequels. I would rather watch the original version of the movie an certainly not the 3rd,4th or 5th sequels of the movie.

Maybe if the industry would actually create something good, instead of shoving more of the same tired crap down peoples necks. I am so tired of seeing some pop culture icon (like jessica simpson, etc..) get a movie part. They aren't real actors. I don't find their lack of intellgence funny or cute. All they do is re-enforce the image that women should act stupid because it's cute.

It's the same with the music industry. They have new bands every few months now, and rarely are they any good....just more of the same pop culture or indy music.

As a consumer i have a choice. I choose to not spend money on crap. If i can get free crap and have a better experience in my own home, why wouldn't i take advantage of it? Maybe it's time to change the way you do business and actually create a model that inpires trust from the customer, in a way that will make them feel comfortable about buying something of yours and make them feel like they are getting something for that money.

Please delay the releases (2, Insightful)

thewils (463314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773962)

In fact, don't release some of them at all.

Quick! ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17773970)

Where is captain copyright when you need him?

http://www.captaincopyright.ca/ [captaincopyright.ca]

repaid (1)

DriveDog (822962) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773972)

Delay openings in Canada? That's a nice thanks to Canadians for providing a cheaper place to make movies. I have a hunch that there'll be more Canadian piracy if such tactics are introduced.

I was wondering why (1)

Frankinmerth (869698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17773974)

I was walking down a street and saw a bunch of time warner emblems in red paint marking the doors of file sharers, before the bombs came. I didn't know the american campaign fund, I mean warmachine, was running out of us funded arabs to fight :(. Keep your eye on the fruit.

Timed to coincide with Fair Use review (1)

Forkenhoppen (16574) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774022)

This 'study' is all about keeping the pressure up on Canada's heritage board, which is currently conducting a review with the aim to 'update' our copyright laws. As mentioned in a previous Slashdot article, they seem to be focussing on some sort of curtailment of our fair use provisions. Civil rights groups have been arguing against this, of course, so this is just another slavo from industry to try and push harder.

I'll be surprised if we have any rights left when they're done with this..

Re:Timed to coincide with Fair Use review (1)

Pizentios (772582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774326)

heh your right about that, but Bev Oda (the lday in charge of that review) has been linked with some shady dealing with the Canadian version of the RIAA. See http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1528/159/ [michaelgeist.ca] for more information. The article in that link pretty much tells how the The Canadian Association of Broadcasters, helped her with "Fund rasing" for her polictical campain. People that let themselfs get bought make me sick. They are spineless.

Wait a second... (1)

djones101 (1021277) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774064)

You mean I actually have to thank Canada for something? Ah, what the heck...thanks Canadia, and keep them movies flowing!

This smacks of political timing (5, Informative)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774122)

Here's the deal. Bev Oda, who is our Heritage Minister (in charge of cultural things like copyright) is being hammered right now from a few different sides, mostly stirred up by her arch enemy, Ottawa copyfighter Prof. Michael Geist. She's in the pocket of all five big record labels, most of her political donations come directly from them (via CRIA). So I'm guessing this story is a plant.

I mean, this statement:
As much as 50 per cent of the world's pirated movies come from Canada, prompting the film industry to threaten to delay the release of new titles in this country.

Worldwide?! There is just no fucking way. We don't even hold a tiny candle to what goes on in Asia.

Also, as we know, the vast majority of movies leaked do not come from camcorder screeners, they are direct rips, leaked from the studios themselves by employees or connected people.

What they are really mad about is - 1. fair use is basically intrinsically stated within Canadian law, so its almost impossible to appeal, and 2. it is actually LEGAL to bring a camcorder into a theatre in Canada. The establishment can certainly bar you from doing so - its their theatre - but there is no actual law against doing this. Its basically a FUD piece.

Politics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774126)

Releasing and timing this allegation might be related to ease the criticism that the Canadian government is facing just recently.
A recent Slashdot article pointed out, that a Canadian university professor shed some light, how the minister in charge is refusing to meet with Canadian musicians, but consults on a regular bases with the Canadian leg of the RIAA. Canada is under heavy pressure from the state to change laws, related to IP. Such allegation is probably a well-co-ordinated propaganda step to rally support for the government in trouble and to justify possible changes in legislation.

Canada, huh. (3, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774130)

Well Canada is only one country out of >135, and not even that big in terms of population. If half your problem is Canada alone, you should be rejoicing in the streets!

Hmm.. (1)

max99ted (192208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774178)

from TFA:

Serge Corriveau, vice-president and national director of the Canadian Motion Picture Distributors Association, said law enforcement agencies don't see movie piracy as a big problem.
Perhaps because they have better things to do with their time? Like catch criminals?

According to the 2006 watch list, "piracy in these countries is largely the result of a lack of political will to confront the problem."
Maybe 'cause most Canadians don't consider it to be a problem and would rather politicians focus on more important issues? The article then tries to tie Canada's 'lax border measures' for pirated products into the argument, as if getting movies out over the intarweb had anything to do with it, and claims that Canada needs to step up its efforts at major ports of entry. Yeah that'll stop those pirates.

The Movie Blog did a vdieo responding to this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774204)

I read this over at the movieblog.com where the owner of the site put up a very nice and articulate video about what he feels would be the real effects of this delay. You can watch the video at http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2007/01/open_ video_letter_to_20th_century_fox_on_canadian_relea se_dates.html/ [themovieblog.com]

What is hollywood responsible for? (1)

sokoban (142301) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774216)

Advancing the practice of extremely shady accounting in order to avoid paying taxes and royalties?

90% of the fucking horrible movies released worldwide.

Remaking the same movies over and over with slightly changed scripts, or even the exact same one. (Parent Trap, Freaky Friday, Poseidon, etc. The wikipedia entry of movie remakes has had to be split into 2 pages)

Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck about what the movie industry perceives to be these horrible wrongs perpetrated against them. They're making money hand over fist doling out the same tepid crap over and over again.

Evidence is so hard! (1)

ZOP (240653) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774260)

Oh no, you mean the MPAA has to produce actual EVIDENCE!? Hold the presses!!

I applaud canada for sticking to it, instead of letting them just charge people without evidence.

Thank you! (3, Funny)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774276)

Finally the MPAA doing something I support. This will get rid of the crappy quality bootlegs on Limewire, leaving only the high quality DVD rips.

Delaying!? (1)

CupBeEmpty (720791) | more than 7 years ago | (#17774328)

Riiiight... that will definitely reduce the desire to pirate movies in Canada.

Everyone knows you can't trust a Canadian... you just can't. Thanks MPAAfia!

What is our alternative? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17774366)

If this is anywhere close to being true, it is probably related to the fact that Canadians lead the world in digital download sales growth [michaelgeist.ca] but that we don't currently have any legal way to download TV shows or movies (for example, the iTunes Music Store Canada offers neither).

More likely is that this is a planted PR press release that the Canadian media have uncritically fallen for. This "starting revelation" comes out at precisely the same time Canada's Heritage Minister is set to release sweeping new changes to the Copyright Right Act that perversely restrict user and fair use rights. Canada's current minority government is neo-con and pro-corporate, denied global warming until about three weeks ago, and only rose to power because the previous government had been in power for 14 years.

In other words, no one should be listening to the government or the Canadian Recording Industry Association. Last year, the major Canadian indie labels left CRIA. In fact, according to documents recently obtained under the Access to Information Act, last year eleven professional organizations representing most Canadian copyright holders in the music industry, including songwriters, composers, performers, record producers, and publishers, wrote to Ministers Oda and Bernier to reject CRIA's new opposition to the private copying system.
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