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So thats why (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17791760)

my GPS keeps leading me to a discount Viagra/Rolex Watch warehouse/stock broker!

which version did you get? (5, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791954)

my GPS keeps leading me to a discount Viagra/Rolex Watch warehouse/stock broker!

Really? Mine just leads me to h0t s3xy s!uts. Which is entirely fine with me.

Re:which version did you get? (3, Funny)

Funkcikle (630170) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791992)

Re:which version did you get? (2, Funny)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792186)

I found it interesting that the bubble on the arrow said 'Niagra Falls, U.S.A.' and pointed to the Canadian side of the falls.

Re:which version did you get? (5, Funny)

Flendon (857337) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792258)

I found it interesting that the bubble on the arrow said 'Niagra Falls, U.S.A.' and pointed to the Canadian side of the falls.
That's odd. My map says Viagra Falls...

Re:So thats why (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792334)

my GPS keeps leading me to a discount Viagra

That's not spam, that's your girlfriend dropping you an IM clue.
   

Re:So thats why (1)

8ball629 (963244) | more than 7 years ago | (#17819376)

Mine actually leads me to the same place but at the same time it quotes various novels that have nothing to do with the destination!

The device cannot infect other devices or (2, Insightful)

solitu (1045848) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791774)

your computer. So essentially this is a dead virus.

Re:The device cannot infect other devices or (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17791800)

Youre missing the point. These are brand new infected devices out of the box. And as for the viral nature, newer GPS devices now have bluetooth and GSM connectivity installed.

Re:The device cannot infect other devices or (2, Informative)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791804)

If the trojan is active, it can make the device vulnerable to control in a way it's not designed to. The device is bluetooth capable, so this introduces at least the possibility of remote attacks. If they are simply present but not active, then yes, this is mostly harmless.

Re:The device cannot infect other devices or (5, Informative)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791970)

tomtom devices act as usb mass storage devices so you can copy s/w, map updates and speed camera POIs to them; thus the device won't actively infect, but can be a vector for infected files.

Re:The device cannot infect other devices or (1)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793598)

So I can't make the _insert evil person here_ drive _off the pier_, _into the train_, _through a political rally_?

Even so it's not TomTom but DumDum.

Security measures? (1)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793846)

Umm, so do they keep a track log of where you have been? Could these trojans be backdoors for downloading those logs? I would like to write this off as paranoid, but that does seem a likely next step for Big Brother.

Re:Security measures? (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 7 years ago | (#17797700)

do they keep a track log?

there's no feature (or isn't in tomtom 5 which is what I have), but you can add it - look at www.opentom.org for the third party app from amacri.

garmin handhelds do have a breadcrumb trail feature built in, and can even convert it to a route for you

Re:Security measures? (1)

Yer Mom (78107) | more than 7 years ago | (#17797734)

Yes, they do keep a log — the TomTom Home software asks permission to upload anonymised logs when you connect it for the first time (with the latest software on the satnav). The idea is that it will allow them to spot areas where people are using local knowledge to take a faster route (such as avoiding streets often blocked by bad parking)

Just how anonymised it actually is, of course, I don't know. Nor do I know if the software tries to send the data even if you say "no". But the trojans are probably not part of the log transfer system, anyway :)

Of course no warnings... (3, Insightful)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791776)

Of course no warnings. Warnings only come out after the lawyers are consulted. One must, after all, get one's priorities straight.

Re:Of course no warnings... (0)

UnrefinedLayman (185512) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793522)

Of course the lawyers get consulted first. The litigious society in which we live dictates it. People at zoos who climb over fences, moats, pits and fire traps past multiple signs that say "Do not go beyond this sign or you will be eaten" successfully sue the zoo when the lion bites their hand off.

One misstep in any direction by a company can result in being sued out of business so the lawyers are consulted first. That makes the company evil. People will sue over any perceived injury. That makes people evil.

The world would be a better place if only people were better, but saying so is pissing in the wind.

Re:Of course no warnings... (1)

Excelcia (906188) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793682)

People are also apt to sue if they buy a product and find out that the manufacturer knew of some issue, like a virus, and sat on that info. In fact, I think I'd be more apt to sue in that instance than if they did notify people.

For any corporation, the first question the execs have for their lawyer when they discover a flaw in their product is "if we don't warn the public, will our lawsuit damages exceed the loss of sales if we do warn the public". The problem is, they ask this question whether it is an MP3-player screen, trojan, or vehicle brake line. It is this cover-your-ass mentality that causes the problems (and my fury).

I wonder... (3, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791782)

If people would be willing to sue via Computer Hacking laws against Tom Tom? If not have it a tort case, why not make it a criminal case? The fact that they knew about it, and covered it up shows guilt.

These devices are going for ~540$ and with installed viruses to boot. Nice.

Re:I wonder... (2, Interesting)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791924)

These devices are going for ~540$ and with installed viruses to boot.
For that money I can get a low-end iPhone and have $41 left to buy my own viruses ... if we were only allowed to install 3rd party apps.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793082)

For that money I can get a low-end iPhone and have $41 left to buy my own viruses ... if only the iphone was an in-car GPS system and not a phone

There, fixed it for you.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793774)

Skip the over-priced, 'fanboy' stuff and get something functional like an HTC Hermes/TyTN that's a phone and can also run Tomtom in conjunction with a bluetooth/GPS dongle. Being WM5-based it can also play your music and videos, do your email etc. etc.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17797472)

Doesn't even need to be that fancy, I run Tomtom on an old iPaq rz1710. Ram is a little tight though.

Just an observation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17791794)

Myspace Tom was infected with AIDS, but never disclosed it to anyone on his website, or his buddy list

Ha Ha (0, Troll)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791816)

Now all those "can't pay attention to the road because I'm watching this little video game" losers will pay for their own lameness.

Wonder if it happened like on the iPod (1, Insightful)

sokoban (142301) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791822)

I guess that is the second major consumer electronics device which has shipped with installed viruses. I imagine if the number of infected devices is really small they probably were infected in the same way as the iPod. Yet another reminder of how shoddy some of the conditions are where all of our nice little gadgets are made.

Re:Wonder if it happened like on the iPod (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792592)

There has been many. Lotus123 shipped virus infested disks many, many years ago.

Re:Wonder if it happened like on the iPod (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793818)

'' I guess that is the second major consumer electronics device which has shipped with installed viruses. I imagine if the number of infected devices is really small they probably were infected in the same way as the iPod. Yet another reminder of how shoddy some of the conditions are where all of our nice little gadgets are made. ''

They are not really shoddy. In the iPod case, some quality control department used PCs running Windows that were infected and copied trojans to any mass storage device that was attached, in that case the iPod. Since a TomTom is also a USB mass storage device, the same happened there probably.

Ok, they are using Windows, that's shoddy conditions.
Would you accept a bet that only PCs running Windows can be infected by this trojan, and Macs + Linux machines are safe?

You think that's bad... (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795592)

Think about the places where those devices get REPAIRED. I've been on both ends of the stick, I'd rather work in the manufacturing plant than the repair depot. The manufacturing plants tend to be cleaner, while the repair depots get really junky. You never know what sorts of seedy CD swapping to test optical drives, or what kind of USB device is plugged in, all kinds of various means of infection.

Should I? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17791862)

Tom Tom, should I send $20,000 to Sebo in Nigeria?

Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (-1, Flamebait)

Animats (122034) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791886)

What is this thing running? Some consumer-grade version of Windows, apparently. Clearly, not only is the virus "on the hard drive", but it actually gets executed.

You'd think they'd at least run XP Embedded, or Windows CE, with only the necessary components present. I don't expect a read-only image of QNX in ROM in a non-critical consumer infotainment device, but this is lame.

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (4, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791974)

As someone else noted, it runs Linux [tomtom.com] . So the virus really is just on the hard drive, so it can execute on computers that attach to the unit, but the virus doesn't actually execute on the GPS unit.

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (2, Informative)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791988)

it's irrelevant to the case in point, as it can act as usb mass storage and thus be carrying infected files.

actually, it's running linux - tomtom's gpl page [tomtom.com] . Also take not of OpenTom [opentom.org] , a team of 3rd party tomtom hackers.

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 7 years ago | (#17796202)

It can act as usb mass storage and thus be carrying infected files.

Did they export the whole drive, or what? One would expect they'd export an empty file system, onto which one could load music or other content, and provide some means to reset it to empty if it became corrupted.

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 7 years ago | (#17797012)

it exports the whole of the sd card, one of the files there is an encapsulated linux boot image. why? because tomtom allow you to update the OS on the machine as well as the maps. when running in usb mass store, the navigation s/w isn't running.

Delusions of a Seemingly Typical Slashdotter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17792558)

This reply is all too typical of the standard Slashdot drivel that passes for intelligence.

There was not one mention in the linked of any specific OS or its "developer". This Slashdot deweller hase an active - if not idiotic - imagination it seems. He clearly has problems understanding what others write (or don't).

Why don't you all grow up?

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17792752)

This reply is all too typical of the standard Slashdot drivel that passes for intelligence.

There was not one mention in the linked of any specific OS or its "developer". This Slashdot dweller has an active - if not idiotic - imagination it seems. He clearly has problems understanding what others write (or don't).

Why don't you all grow up?

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (1)

UtucXul (658400) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795002)

As the other replies say, the TomTom runs Linux. But I can tell you that my experience with a Magellan Roadmate GPS and Windows CE [blogspot.com] , and that has just about all the stability I remember from my long distant days of Windows 98.

Re:Don't use a consumer OS to do an RTOS job (1)

nmg196 (184961) | more than 7 years ago | (#17797556)

What the hell are you talking about? It runs Linux you idiot (ever heard of that?).

> Clearly, not only is the virus "on the hard drive", but it actually gets executed.

Says WHO? Now you're just making stuff up.

is anyone taking responsibility? (3, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791908)

The first link, the letter from tomtom, does refer users to a couple free antivirus removal tools that will remove the virus, but other than that, I wonder how much responsibility tomtom will take for getting their customers' PCs infected? If you are a businessman and have taken your tomtom into work and connected to the local network to update your maps for your scheduled sales calls and have now infected the entire company network with viruses, I wonder how much of a problem this will cause and what tomtom would do about it? "Sorry sucker, thanks for purchasing our product, please come again."

I am also a little interested in seeing how tomtom follows this up. There was a report a few months ago about a few ipods shipping with something nasty, and Apple tracked them down all the way to the imaging workstation that started the outbreak. Judging by how tomtom is trying to sweep this one under the rug, I rather doubt they are exercising due diligence. At the very least someone should get fired - either the yutz that violated company policy and brought in his flash drive etc, or the director that didn't have any policies in place to start with. More than likely both are at fault but the guy with the flash drive will wind up taking the fall.

Re:is anyone taking responsibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17792372)

TomTom certainly have not taken any responsibility.
It looks like this has been known about for months, I got an infected device in the first half of December and found details of the problem on various forums. No-one, however, had got any reply let alone response from TomTom on the subject.

I made complaints to both TomTom and PC-World (the vendor in my case). TomTom finally replied, but evasively. I am wondering if I can make a small claims court case against them for time required to diagnose and ensure the problem was dealt with - a few thousand small claims cases could cost them a real pile along with the bad publicity, and persuade them that rapid response and dealing with the problem would have been a better course of action.

In general TomTom 910 owners would use the on-line functions of the system. That means they need to register with TomTom - so they have a direct line of contact to (nearly) all affected owners.

Re:is anyone taking responsibility? (1)

oso (7152) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795788)

You could take them to court... if you can show that you have been damaged. In this case, I don't think that you will get far, as there appears to be no way to "get infected" by attaching the device to your computer and using it in a regular fashion.

I suppose that you could purposefully infect your computer by actually launching the virus files... but I'm sure somewhere along the court process someone will ask you why you executed the program :)

Re:is anyone taking responsibility? (1)

Acid-Duck (228035) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793590)

Anyone who's got a decent policy in regards to the workplace network, will have a rule in their policy which reads something like this:

Hardware other then the one which is office supplied may not be connected to the network until it has been verified/approved by the IT staff.

If they don't have that type of rule in their policy they should just hire someone more competant.. If you are the IT staff I guess you should start looking for another job if you someone infected the network.

New Tom Tom Commercial (4, Funny)

laurent420 (711504) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791958)

Tom Tom, can i SYN flood across the atlantic trunk? Tom Tom, DDoS Amazon. Tom Tom, spam 4million email addresses.

asking for help gone teribly wrong (4, Funny)

v1 (525388) | more than 7 years ago | (#17791980)

At a forum for tomtom help at http://www.expansys.com/ft.aspx?i=112333&thread=27 96 [expansys.com] , a user asks,

this is my first post, when trying to download the map of western europe v6.6 direct from TomTom Home site to my PC the following message appears '' an error occurred while dowloading this file: read error., followed by the options ''continue'' or ''cancel.

Can anyone help me with this problem?


His first reply:

Disable your firewall and anti virus and see if that helps.

Silly windows users.

Re:asking for help gone teribly wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17793668)

Where in that thread did it say that the user was using Windows? Slashdot drivel again!

Controlling it (2, Funny)

Mantrid42 (972953) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792114)

The server that controls the virus will be called "Ground Control".

Major TomTom (0)

ArielMT (757715) | more than 7 years ago | (#17794416)

Ground Control to Major TomTom. Commencing countdown, engines on.

Or...

Standing there alone, the car is waiting.
"All systems are go." "Are you sure?"
Control is not convinced, but the TomTom
Has the evidence. No need to abort.
The countdown starts.

About TomTom (4, Informative)

maggard (5579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792154)

I've been a happy owner of a TomTom 300 for a couple of years. It's a dashboard-mounted Linux-based satnav system. When I went shopping for a device like this several years ago I was impressed by the TomTom's UI & audio quality, both more important to me when using it then lots of rarely used features.

For those who don't understand why anyone would want a satnav system, its been a huge benefit to me. Not only does it guide me point to point, particularly when it's to or from a point I'm not familiar with, it also informs me of services near me. For example the other night I met friends at a cinema I'd never been to before. I was able to quickly navigate to it without having to refer to a printed Google map. After the show we were able to quickly chose nearby restaurant without having to roam around in a convoy. I was then able to simply chose "Home" as the destination from my new location. On the way home I was low on fuel; with the TomTom I was able to skip the first exit promising gas (the TomTom showed it was actually a mile away) and continue to the next exit, with 2 gas stations conveniently by the exits.

TomTom Corp.is out of Belgium, which is reflected in their multilingual features & mapsets. They've been fairly hacker friendly and there are a number of 3rd party addon packages that have shown up over the years. TomTom has a history of hiring those hackers and bringing them in-house.

Their software runs on both Linux & Windows CE. Indeed from what I've seen it is fairly agnostic about either platform and offers the same feature sets on both. They also have a free desktop application for adding & removing maps, updating firmware & software, adding custom voices, etc. This started out on MS Windows and is now also offered on MacOS X.

So far I've been extremely happy with my purchase. The biggest problem has been significant highway construction; my maps are now several years old and don't reflect current routes. However TomTom has recently announced updated maps which I'll be purchasing. My only concern is they issued a press release touting a significant discount for the introduction of these maps, a press release which has since disappeared from their website.

In the years since my model 300 shipped they've now added models with built-in hard drives, Bluetooth for integration with phones, radios, car services like headlights, and via phones downloading traffic updates for dynamic route optimization. This hard drive is apparently what has been affected.

Re:About TomTom (3, Funny)

ilikejam (762039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792444)

This message brought to you by TomTom International BV.

Re:About TomTom (2, Funny)

Spacezilla (972723) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793118)

You're right, that was a really strange post, especially the "For those who don't understand why anyone would want a satnav system" part. I live in northern Europe and almost everyone here who owns a car also owns one of these, yet this guy makes it sound like it's some kind of new, mysterious device that no one can see the point of.

Hm...

"For those who don't understand why anyone would want a satnav system"

Nope, it still sounds very weird.

Re:About TomTom (1)

ilikejam (762039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793186)

FWIW, I own a 'TomTom One' and it's really quite impressive.

This message brought to you by me.

Re:About TomTom (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793730)

Even the taxi drivers have them now...

Maybe in the US they're not so common but elsewhere they're basically a required addon.

it's not strange at all (3, Insightful)

Artifex (18308) | more than 7 years ago | (#17794000)

It's not new to you because of where you live. In the US, it's still something of a big deal to have a car with nav. (I suspect less than 10% of cars actually on the road here have it built-in). It wasn't an option when I bought my car, and in fact my parents' new car from the same line is our family's first to have it.

How come positive reviews of products are given such a suspicious eye, that even when the post is from a four-digit ID with a long posting history (and website you can visit to check his credentials), it's seen as astroturfing?

Get a grip, guys.

Re:it's not strange at all (1)

Mung Victim (821757) | more than 7 years ago | (#17798256)

It's not new to you because of where you live. In the US, it's still something of a big deal to have a car with nav

I'm surprised by this. As the GP suggested, satnav is rapidly becoming ubiquitous in this part of the world (I'm in the UK), either in the form of built-in units on newer cars or as portable devices like Tom-Toms. I'd be really interested to know why it hasn't taken off in the same way in the US. Is it because the road systems are generally simpler, or what?

Re:it's not strange at all (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#17804198)

It seems to be because American car companies tried to implement technology that had a recurring revenue model. GPS navigation signals are free, and once you've sold the device there are typically no more checks in the mail (most users don't update their maps). Now that customers have largely rejected the recurring revenue model of OnStar and the like (having seen the GPS systems available on Japanese and European cars) Nav systems are becoming more common.

If the US had such a wide range of wireless providers as Europe, the OnStar model would never have worked from a business perspective, and things over here would be the same as things are over there GPS wise...

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17797914)

I live in northern Europe and almost everyone here who owns a car also owns one of these,
Um, I'm in Denmark, and I've met like three people in my life who have these. What northern Europe do you live in?

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17798244)

I live in northern Europe and almost everyone here who owns a car also owns one of these, yet this guy makes it sound like it's some kind of new, mysterious device that no one can see the point of.

Funny, I live in northern Europe too (.dk to be precise), and around here, it's just now becoming something that all the geeks have. My brother bought his years ago, and at the time, I didn't know anyone else who had one. I only bought mine a couple of months ago, and I'm still wondering why I wanted one in the first place. If I can save 10 minutes twice a year by not needing to stop to look at the map, it will be years before the time saved will add up to the price the unit cost.

Re:About TomTom (1)

maggard (5579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793852)

That's right jackass, I've been on /. all these years just to astroturf for TomTom; user 5579, 1100+ comments, it's been a setup all along, you finally figured me out.

Less sarcastically, your implications are unjustified and rude.

As to why I justified a GPS, the last time [slashdot.org] GPS units came up on /. a buncha folks whined how superfluous they are, that a printed map should be good enough for anyone, etc. So I figured I'd recap why I so like mine.

But hey, its easier to publicly imply unethical misrepresentation by a stranger then wonder if they've a reason for wording a post how they did.

You can post your "sorry, it was a misunderstanding" now.

Re:About TomTom (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795578)

Your post came off as an advertisement to me as well. It didn't sound like a real user was telling me about it, but rather, it felt like I was being beaten over the head by the marketing department at TomTom.

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17796992)

...that's because you're an idiot. A paranoid, tactless idiot.

Re:About TomTom (1)

Spacezilla (972723) | more than 7 years ago | (#17798028)

As to why I justified a GPS, the last time [slashdot.org] GPS units came up on /. a buncha folks whined how superfluous they are, that a printed map should be good enough for anyone, etc. So I figured I'd recap why I so like mine.
All right, just sounded strange to me too, guess it's a different culture over there. Here I think it would be harder to explain to people why anyone would need a PC than why they'd need a satnav unit. :)

So, as requested: Sorry, it was a misunderstanding. :)

Re:About TomTom (1)

ilikejam (762039) | more than 7 years ago | (#17804988)

Calm yourself.

'This message brought to you by X' posts are jokes. Someone who's been on /. all these years should know that by now.

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17792636)

The information on new maps you desire:

Do I qualify for a free map update?
TomTom GO 910, GO 510, ONE and Navigator 6 customers in North America will not be charged for the new maps during the update period of December 20, 2006 through March 31, 2007. You will be charged only for shipping and handling.

All other TomTom customers are eligible for the new maps at the specially discounted price of $49.95 plus S & H through March 31, 2007.

How much are the new accessory maps?
For a limited time only (December 20, 2006 through March 31, 2007), the 2006 maps of the U.S. and Canada are $49.95 plus shipping and handling.

How much is Shipping & Handling?
Shipping and Handling is $6.00.

How much is the accessory map normally?
The accessory map of the US and Canada on DVD normally sells for $149.95.

Re:About TomTom (2, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793094)

IMHO, you're better off skipping the satnav systems built specifically for car use and should instead invest in a handheld GPS unit from one of the other companies.

A color Garmin with autorouting will run you about $300 and is about $100 less than an similar TomTom unit. You won't get voice prompting (which I would turn off anyway -- using a laptop running Streets and Trips or any of the other route software with voice actuation is annoying for any city driving) and the screen won't be quite as large but I have always thought the interface was much better.

With a hand held GPS option you can easily remove it from you car without having to carry a bulky unit around. My GPS (a Garmin 76CS) will run for about 24 continuous hours on lithium batteries in normal temperature conditions (here in MN the cold can severely limit your battery life) or 2 or so days of normal driving. Obviously a car adapter is available but I don't like all the extra wires danging around.

Garmin has map updates frequently but they are pricey (still less than TomTom) at around $100. I have been using the same maps that were available back several years ago (2002) and they work pretty well for my use. Generally autorouting will get you where you want to go but it rarely takes the route that I (under "local knowledge" conditions) would consider optimal. No GPS is going to know what streets are less patrolled, have less traffic lights, and which generally have less traffic.

Just my .02, YMMV.

Still TomTom for me (1, Insightful)

maggard (5579) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793384)

Thanks for your thoughts, however I expect my next satnav will also be a TomTom.

Nothing against the other brands, but so far the TomTom's feature set has really matched my needs.

I really really like the speaker on my TomTom 300. Yeah, it's big, indeed its the whole back of the device. The thing looks like a first generation iMac with the big hump behind the screen. But that speaker is clear , I can hear the directions with the windows open, the radio playing, etc.

Not everyone likes voice navigation but I prefer it, especially when I'm dealing with heavy traffic, bad weather, curves, don't know where I am, etc. That's when I hate to divert my attention from what is going on around my vehicle, refocus my eyes on a screen, puzzle it out, try and get names, then return my attention to the road and figure out what has happened in the intervening 100 feet or so. I've got two sensory channels, it seems stupid not to take advantage of both of them.

I agree the built-in satnav units seem a poor investment. Their maps are extraordinarily expensive and the devices will clearly age faster then the vehicles. Look at all the folks with first generation GM "OnStar" systems who are soon to find their systems abandoned without an update possibility. I also enjoy the ability to move my TomTom from vehicle to vehicle. However as I don't actually carry it with me but just switch it from car to car, or toss it in my luggage and then install it in a rental, I don't really care if it is pocket sized and again, that big clear speaker is a huge feature to me.

Finally, the TomTom GUI is just great. They don't waste large chunks of screen on static 'soft buttons', instead tapping the screen brings up a series of setting screen that are well thought out and easy to operate without lots of attention (though I almost always pull over anyhow.)

Everyone's needs are different, but for a car-based system my TomTom 300 has been the sweet spot for me. Now I'm just looking forward to one of the newer models with updating traffic conditions and it'll be perfect ('til they come out with a model that drives my car for me.)

Re:Still TomTom for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17794572)

Marketing speak.

Re:About TomTom (1)

dagda76 (108490) | more than 7 years ago | (#17805048)

I travel about 25% of the time and I also use the TomTom 300. I always use the voice navigation and rarely look at the screen.

Re:About TomTom (1)

autophile (640621) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793576)

TomTom Corp.is out of Belgium, which is reflected in their multilingual features & mapsets. They've been fairly hacker friendly and there are a number of 3rd party addon packages that have shown up over the years.

That's for sure!

--Rob

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17797402)

TomTom is 100% Dutch. That's the Netherlands, not Belgium.

Re:About TomTom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17802420)

Does the bluetooth integration work both ways, eg. can I use the tomtom as bluetooth gps receiver, should I need that more than routing and road maps sometimes?

Not the official TomTom website (5, Informative)

iow (552227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792374)

Disclaimer: I work for TomTom. Please note that www.tomtomgo910.co.uk is not the official TomTom website. It seems to be a landing page for easydevices.co.uk since the 'order now' links points to there. The official site can be found here: http://www.tomtom.com/ [tomtom.com]

Who would visit the official site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17792804)

Yeah surre. Like I would go visit the official website of an OEM that ships viruses.

Still isn't any information there (1)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17793660)


0 Results for All-in-one navigation , TomTom GO 910 , Update/Upgrade - virus
Unfortunately we were unable to find any answers that could solve the question you have asked.

Is It Running On Vista? (4, Funny)

SkyDude (919251) | more than 7 years ago | (#17792424)

I'm thinking maybe an alien infected the GPS satellite as revenge for Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith infecting the mother ship. Or maybe it's running on Vista.

N00b N00b - You've been pwned pwned! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17793866)

They should keep the Trojans in the drug store, stop stuffing them into electronic devices!

After all, when you need them, you got to take apart your GPS device? Geez!

Re:N00b N00b - You've been pwned pwned! (1)

QuasiEvil (74356) | more than 7 years ago | (#17808430)

I don't know - having a couple spares in the car could have come in handy at a few points in my history...

"Tom Tom, should I use protection?"

gn4a (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17794882)

www.anti-slashQ.org paper towels There are o8ly corporations

TomTom are slack bastards with a promising product (1)

Mal Reynolds (676267) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795420)

I'll be shocked if TomTom get out in front of this issue and proactively try to alert their customer base to the problem.

TomTom does produce a decent product, but they are the epitome of Slack Bastards when it comes to supporting their goods.

It's impossible to reach TomTom on the phone, they tend not to answer e-mail, and their web site is such a muddle that finding updates and information is nearly impossible. They don't even have a user forum. Their web site is so convoluted, even finding out how and where to purchase map updates is an exercise in extreme tedium.

Other than their awful support, TomTom has one other major problem. Their menu navigation is simply awful. TomTom requires far too many selections to access the most common of funcitons. The conventional wisdom of good UI design recommends no common function be more than 3 clicks away from the home menu. In TomTom, one must often dig 6 or 8 levels into the menus to reach the most common of tasks. This is a big problem for a device that is typically used at the same time one is operating a motor vehicle.

I've tried a bunch of GPS street navigation packages and cannot really recommend any of them, each of them have big problems and are works in progress. TomTom would be the best of those currently available if they would just hire some support staff and greatly simplify their overly complicated menu structure. Until they do that, I can't recommend their product.

Re:TomTom are slack bastards with a promising prod (1)

feld (980784) | more than 7 years ago | (#17796070)

It's impossible to reach TomTom on the phone, they tend not to answer e-mail, and their web site is such a muddle that finding updates and information is nearly impossible. They don't even have a user forum. Their web site is so convoluted, even finding out how and where to purchase map updates is an exercise in extreme tedium.
Wow that IS difficult! Tomtom.com Click your country. Click Maps. Click Buy Maps. Jesus I've never seen anything so difficult!!!!

Re:TomTom are slack bastards with a promising prod (1)

Mal Reynolds (676267) | more than 7 years ago | (#17796636)

Try to buy maps for TomTom 5... Can't do it can you? Try to find out how recent the map data is for the various updated maps they are selling. You won't find that either. If you already have TomTom Nav 5 and want the new maps, what should you do? It's a bit clearer now, but for months it was not.

Through trial and error I found out that purchasing new maps for TomTom 5 required a complete software update to TomTom 6. But TomTom refused to say whether version 6 would even run on all the devices that ran system 5. Once again, through trial and error (purchase and hope), I found that that the new update did run on my device. TomTom either didn't take the time to test their software on existing supported devices or they never bothered to put this information on their mess of a web site.

Until very recently, you couldn't even purchase the TomTom navigator 6 software upgrade directly from their site, even though the full product had been shipping to resellers for months.

TomTom's web site and their entire support infrastructure seems almost an afterthought to them. I do think they've got a promising product, but the product's poor menu design and awful support truly holds back what could be a good product.

Re:TomTom are slack bastards with a promising prod (1)

feld (980784) | more than 7 years ago | (#17796810)

ahh well that's a little bit clearer now.

too bad it has to be like that... sounds like they could be a better company!

Does this mean... (0, Flamebait)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 7 years ago | (#17795506)

That users of the infected GPS units will only be able to find their way around in Greece?

on pc? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17800346)

since it runs on linux...
do you think tomtom can be ported to normal x86?
or at least emulated?
'cause it will be a really good app for my carputer, which actually lacks a bit in gps software...

and.. can anyone confirm it is just a usb drive? so you can see all system files, including the tomtom application right?
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