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302 comments

OK... (0, Troll)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811320)

So, funny ads.

With some truth in them, too...

So now what? Let the flames begin!

Re:OK... (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811340)

With some truth in them, too...

Bollocks - they completely ignore the fact that a mac is a PC.

Re:OK... (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811398)

I said, some truth.

The OSs are different.

And Mac users really don't have to worry about viruses much.

Re:OK... (3, Informative)

Mikachu (972457) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811396)

Are the ads funny? Yes.

Are the ads true? ...not so much.

Come on, these ads try to suggest that photo albums and videos/music are only available on the Mac. Please.

Re:OK... (0, Redundant)

BarlowBrad (940854) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811796)

But on a Mac, they "Just Work." (tm)

Re:OK... (4, Informative)

LKM (227954) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811836)

Come on, these ads try to suggest that photo albums and videos/music are only available on the Mac. Please.

No. They do suggest that this stuff is easier on a Mac. Which is true.

Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811344)

Also in Peep Show Jeremy (the Mac) gets laid a lot whilst Mark (the PC) gets laid about half a time before getting interrupted by the sound of Jeremy getting laid.

Generally though all the sex is rather retarded or twisted. Jeremy even shags Mark's sister, so I wonder what that's like ... maybe that's like a Mac connecting to a SMB share on a PC or something.

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (2, Funny)

Saint Fnordius (456567) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811424)

Oh my, I wonder how many people will think of that when they do "that new digital camera from Japan" cute girl spot...

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (1)

Bralkein (685733) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811468)

I saw this ad in the paper yesterday, and of course Peep Show was the first thing I thought of. The thing is though, in Peep Show, Jeremy is a bit of a pillock. Remember the episode where he tries to chat up some girls at a party with a line about olive oil? Something like: "So - olive oil! Fourth pressing? Fifth pressing? I always go for the first pressing. I mean, why wait 'til everyone else has had their fun with the olives?"

Also, "The bad thing", the "threesome", and everything else ;-)

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811576)

What would Super Hans be?

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811706)

And my immediate thought was "Oh, it's Mitchell and Webb from Radio 4 [bbc.co.uk] ". But then I am a PC user.

(For non-UK residents, or UK residents under 30, Radio 4 is the BBC's "wireless" [the old meaning of wireless, don't get excited] station which has news, politics and other spoken word programmes. None of these popular beat combos, oh no)

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (5, Informative)

biffta (961416) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811714)

For those left wondering, Peep Show is a British comedy from channel 4. If any of these ads even made you smirk I'd suggest watching an episode or two, they're fantastically original!

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (4, Insightful)

delinear (991444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811840)

Exactly what I thought when I saw this - Jeremy is funny not because he's "cool", but because he's trying so desperately hard to be cool (and quite often just ends up looking silly). So in essence, they're saying Macs are for people who aren't especially cool but want to look/act like they are (and don't mind parting with more money to achieve it), which is perhaps not the message they were aiming for. Maybe by choosing this pairing for the ads, Apple themselves are trying to be cool and missing the point somewhat, too? (On a sidenote, I love Mitchell and Webb, for all their faults).

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (4, Insightful)

KDan (90353) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811896)

I was thinking exactly that, when I first heard of these ads...

I think the Apple marketing team has missed one essential point:

Both of the main characters of Peep Show are wankers!

That's one of the things that dawns on you as you watch the show is that the two characters are equally worthless human beings. You start off siding with Jeremy because he's cooler, but then realise he's a wanker, so then Mark appears slightly better because he's on the surface a bit more kind... but then he turns out to be a prick as well.

Which I guess is spot on. Computers are a pain no matter which one you use!

Daniel

What's it like? (3, Funny)

littleghoti (637230) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811500)

quote: "Generally though all the sex is rather retarded or twisted. Jeremy even shags Mark's sister, so I wonder what that's like"

That's tickety-boo!

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (1)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811768)

Yes but Jeremy is a drugged-up idiot who can't get anything done. He's moved in to Mark's apartment because he can't get a job and is broke. And Mark is so uptight and full of self-loathing that he can't ever enjoy himself. He's neurotic and miserable.

You wouldn't want an OS modelled on either of them: it would either be useless (Jeremy) or no fun (Mark). To be honest, neither of them is in any way similar to Mac or Windows.

They just wanted the money so they whored themselves out. Nice work, chaps.

Re:Yup, these two are suitable PC and Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811922)

it would either be useless (Jeremy) or no fun (Mark)

God, it's more like AmigaOS 1.2 vs. CP/M 2.2 or something then?

Or BeOS vs. Windows ME...

Direct links to YouTube videos (3, Informative)

Null Nihils (965047) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811356)

Because you can never have too much karma. ;)

Here [youtube.com] , here [youtube.com] , here [youtube.com] and here [youtube.com] .

Re:Direct links to YouTube videos (1)

JensenDied (1009293) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811550)

well in that case heres the .flv download links, if anyone cares
here [youtube.com]
here [youtube.com]
here [youtube.com]
here [youtube.com]

Re:Direct links to YouTube videos (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811586)

mmm, I love some good self fisting.. prego?

Re:Direct links to YouTube videos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811898)

Yea.. that's much better than the actual downloads for the ads on the apple site. Fucking Youtube retards.

Office at Home [apple.com]
Restarting [apple.com]
Virus [apple.com]
Trust Mac [apple.com]
Tentacle [apple.com]
Pie Chart [apple.com]

If those ads are a demonstration of recent dry british humor.. it'd seem that people have really low standards nowadays.

- pflakes

The title is all wrong... (5, Funny)

bytta (904762) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811364)

Shouldn't that be
Apple Mac/PC Ads With a Twist of Limey?

Re:The title is all wrong... (1)

purple_cobra (848685) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811410)

I hope not, as that would make the originals 'regular Septic flavo(u)r'.

Re:The title is all wrong... (0, Flamebait)

strider44 (650833) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811480)

And they only have honours in England, not those weak honors the Americans have.

Japanese (-1, Redundant)

jaymzru (1005177) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811372)

There are of course, also the Japanese mac ads as well.
http://www.apple.com/jp/getamac/ads/ [apple.com]

Re:Japanese (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811402)

Dude, that was like the first sentence of the summary! The link was the first word! Is it that hard to read even the first sentence of the FRIGGIN SUMMARY! I guess this is slashdot and that is asking a lot.

Re:Japanese (0, Offtopic)

snoggeramus (945056) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811822)

You expected better? You must be new here.

it's a catch 22 (4, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811376)

Japanese isn't the only language barrier Apple's decided to cross with its 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' ads. Those Brits love their 'shenanigans and tomfoolery' just as much as the next guy.

It's almost like they've got General Peckem describing his platform preference to Yossarian.

Translate for Linux (1)

Lotharjade (750874) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811378)

Now we just need versions for the Linux/Unix/BSD crowd. LOL!

Re:Translate for Linux (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811852)

Super Hans!

Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (5, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811384)

"PC" stands for "Personal Computer" which could be running Windows, Linux, *BSD, MSDOS, FreeDOS, etc. etc.

Perhaps Apple's marketing consultants need to go on a quick computer course - after all, only a Windows PC is vulnerable to the "140,000 viruses" and whilst, using Crossover Office, it's possible to run MS Office on Linux, this is not the norm.

In the UK, we have an Advertising Standards Agency that should stop misleading adverts - this looks to be a prime example for them now...

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (3, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811416)

PC is has become a term meaning x86 based PC running Windows. That's evolution of language for you.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811432)

PC is has become a term meaning x86 based PC running Windows. That's evolution of language for you.

So what do you call:
* A PC running linux?
* A mac bootcamped into windows?
* A mac running linux?
* etc?

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811470)

So what do you call:
* A PC running linux?

a PC
* A mac bootcamped into windows?
a Mac
* A mac running linux?
a Mac
* etc?
boh?

I'm not sure about the GP, but "personal computer" does include "Macs" for me, and is about the hardware more than the software I load on it. I do realize that for most people, PC means "with Windows", but anyway, what do most people know about PCs?

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811516)

You've neglected to mention that Apple used to call their PowerPC-based machines... PowerPCs.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811474)

So what do you call: * A PC running linux?

"A PC running linux."

* A mac bootcamped into windows?

"A mac bootcamped into windows."

* A mac running linux?

"A mac running linux."

* etc?

"etc."

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (3, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811476)

So what do you call:

A PC running linux?

A computer.

A mac bootcamped into windows?

A computer.

A mac running linux?

A computer.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811518)

So once you boot a mac into windows or linux, it stops being a mac?

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (4, Funny)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811566)

No, but it starts being "a computer" ;-)

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811582)

I guess I should've asked - does it become a PC, as PC is has become a term meaning x86 based PC running Windows

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811716)

I was just kidding...

Personally, I think that the term "Personal Computer" is outdated. These days, all major operating systems are multi-user and most (home) computers are used by more than one person, hence the damned thing isn't "personal" anymore. All machines, Wintel, Mactel, Lintel, should simply be named "computer" and that's it.

So, if we really want to stick with the term, then all computers used by one person (or a family) should be called "Personal Computer" and that includes Macs.

But then, who am I to even have an opinion about these things....

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811598)

Your logic is broken. Please visit your nearest Quick 'E Logic for a service.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (2)

zakeria (1031430) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811522)

So what do you call: A PC running linux? a computer A mac bootcamped into windows? broken A mac running linux? pointless

Name calling (4, Funny)

DrYak (748999) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811910)

So what do you call:
* A PC running linux?
The Way.

* A mac bootcamped into windows?
An abomination.

* A mac running linux?
Redemption.

* etc?
AmigaOS.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811554)

PC is has become a term meaning x86 based PC running Windows.
No it hasn't. [wikipedia.org] If you mean Microsoft Windows then say it!

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811816)

I said "PC". Not "personal computer".

PC World magazine focusses entirely on Windows based systems. As does PC Home, PC Gamer, PC Plus, PC Pro, PC Advisor, PC Zone, and PC Format. If I tell anyone I know I have a PC, they'll assume it's not a Mac (quite correctly).

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811862)

PC World magazine focusses entirely on Windows based systems. As does
PC Home, PC Gamer, PC Plus, PC Pro, PC Advisor, PC Zone, and PC Format.
If I tell anyone I know I have a PC, they'll assume it's not a Mac (
quite correctly).


Ask an American to write lose, they write loose. Ask W to say nuclear
he'll say nukular.

So we should all do likewise?

Truly the idiots have won.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (2, Insightful)

rednuhter (516649) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811438)

to little to late, the press have conveniently 'bent' thechological terminology and the new terms have stuck in the mind of the public.
Although I used to get annoyed about the miss use of 'PC' and correct anyone how spouted the 'windows PC' version, I now accept that the majority of the public know 'PC' as 'Windows PC'.
On the other hand I do not get fed up correcting people on the use of the word Hacker, miscreants that break into systems illegally are Crackers !
People interested in technology are Hackers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_definition_con troversy [wikipedia.org]

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

StressedEd (308123) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811646)

Although I used to get annoyed about the miss use of 'PC'
I know, It's just not very PC is it?

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811502)

In the UK, we have an Advertising Standards Agency that should stop misleading adverts - this looks to be a prime example for them now...

Perhaps the Advertising Standards Agency should look at the last time they caught Apple bending the truth: [bbc.co.uk]

Apple Power Mac ads 'misleading'

Apple has boosted the power of its G5 machines
A complaint against Apple's claim that its Power Mac G5 was the "world's fastest personal computer" has been upheld by the UK's advertising watchdog.

The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said that the G5 was not the fastest computer "in all circumstances for all applications".
I note Apple didn't mind calling its PC range PCs back then.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811606)

"PC" stands for "Personal Computer" which could be running Windows, Linux, *BSD, MSDOS, FreeDOS, etc. etc.

An x86[-64] machine running any operating system by Microsoft is a PC.

An x86[-64] machine running any operating system by someone other than Microsoft or Apple is a workstation.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811630)

And of course the Mac could well be running Windows too.

In fact, the PC could be running Linux and the Mac Windows.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (5, Interesting)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811636)

They mention this in the Japanese Get A Mac ads. The PC is like, "Hey, aren't you kind of a PC, too?"
The Mac, "Yeah, but people like me a lot, so they gave me this kind of a nickname, 'Mac.' Cool, huh?"
PC, "What!? I want a nickname, too!"
"Oh, I know, since you're so into doing serious stuff, they could call you 'Work'!" ('Work' sounds like 'Mac' in Japanese.)

It was a pretty cute routine, but it doesn't work as well in translation. Also, I'm just going by my memory. And I'm only semi-fluent. But it was something like that.

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

Zaatxe (939368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811662)

"PC" stands for "Personal Computer" which could be running Windows, Linux, *BSD, MSDOS, FreeDOS, etc. etc.

Oh, my... now that feels like Slashdot!!! Thanks!!!

Re:Apple get the terminology WRONG!!! (1)

linefeed0 (550967) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811834)

That would be the least of the ASA's concerns... if I recall, the "I'm a Mac" ads play fast and loose with the truth in the first place. The ad that claims Macs "crash less" than Windows and demonstrates it by Hodgman "crashing" and "rebooting" periodically... says who, with what tests, hardware and drivers?

This American quite admires the ASA, or at least the idea of it... it would be nice to have the "commercial speech is free speech" decision overturned on this side of the pond...

I love Mitchell and Webb (1)

kentrel (526003) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811386)

Nice ad. Great double act

Robert Webb (on the right) usually plays the more fashion conscious but much dumber character, and David Mitchell always plays the sensible, educated intelligent character.

No wonder he likes PCs!

I loved them but now I'm packing my bags (1)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811700)

I loved them too (Peep Show series 1-3, M&W Sound series 1&2, M&W Look, the M&W stage show, etc. etc.). But I feel betrayed by this awful abomination. At the height of their careers, why are they already at the point where they will do anything for money?

"Here's the deal, folks. You do a commercial - you're off the artistic roll call, forever. End of story. Okay? You're another whore at the captialist gang bang and if you do a commercial, there's a price on your head. Everything you say is suspect and every word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink." - Bill Hicks
I'd hoped they were better than this.

Those Brits love their 'shenanigans and tomfoolery' just as much as the next guy.
/vomits.

Re:I loved them but now I'm packing my bags (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811744)

What a load of rubbish. "Oh, they are serious actors, they can't do commercials."You, sir, are an imbecile...an imbecile.

And I agree with the original poster, these ads do not betray their characters at all.

Re:I loved them but now I'm packing my bags (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811798)

Yeah. Bill Hicks, what an idiot.

Re:I loved them but now I'm packing my bags (1)

Cheesey (70139) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811860)

Yes, I'm an imbecile.

As I said in my post, I followed Mitchell & Webb's career from their work on Radio 4, through Peep Show, the TV series, the stage show. I saw them move from obscurity through cult comedy to become almost mainstream. They have never failed to entertain, until now.

As Bill Hicks said, doing a commercial makes you a sell-out. That's not so bad if you are an actor, particularly one who is short of cash, but it is bad if you are a comedian (like Mitchell or Webb) and it is worse if you are not short of cash. Remember, they're at the height of their career. They've got a film coming out soon. Further episodes of Peep Show and M&W Look are guaranteed. They've made it. They don't need to do ads.

Now we know they will say anything they are paid to say. They are not comedians, they are corporate shills. They are sell-outs. The distinction is important to me, as a long-time fan of their work. It means that all their future work is coloured by the possibility that they've been paid to have a particular opinion or say a particular thing.

It may not matter to you - for all I know, you may never have heard of them before - but it matters to a fan. It's a bit like discovering that Mr Lucas turned your favourite space-based film saga into a toy advert. It's almost that disappointing.

This is about integrity. It's not about betraying their characters - it's about betraying themselves. I didn't expect Mitchell and Webb to sell out until their careers hit the rocks, but I was wrong.

But such things shouldn't matter, right? People like Bill Hicks and myself are just morons for thinking that integrity is important. Me, sir? I'm just an imbecile.

Re:I loved them but now I'm packing my bags (1)

kentrel (526003) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811930)

As Bill Hicks said, doing a commercial makes you a sell-out. That's not so bad if you are an actor, particularly one who is short of cash, but it is bad if you are a comedian


Woody Allen and John Cleese must be sell-out hacks then... I love Bill Hicks, but he also genuinely believed he was abducted by aliens. His word isn't scripture.

If, as a fan (allegedly) you no longer think their work is valid simply because they've done a commercial then you're more than welcome to find some new obscure comedy group (or indie band) and worship them so that you can thump your chest (as all snobs like to do) some years from now and say how they were "much better before they went commercial".

Sigh.

Heard it.

The ads from Apple UK (5, Informative)

wenzi (6465) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811404)

You can see them here in QT instead of YouTube

http://www.apple.com/uk/getamac/ [apple.com]

Crashes (0, Flamebait)

FunctionalMethod (751923) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811414)

Well I for one had more OS X crashes in 2 weeks of owning a MacBook then x years with Windows XP. Maybe it is that I don't really know the OS , but I am still a bit disappointed.

Re:Crashes (2, Informative)

Maud_UK (1012119) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811506)

Then you probably had a bad stick of ram, apple doesn't sell magical hardware that's immune to faults. It always amazes me that people seems to just think that when they buy a mac and it crashes that this is normal, it's not, there is a hardward fault or there was an error when apple slaped a copy of the OS on it, macs should never have system wide crashes like, ever.

Re:Crashes (-1, Flamebait)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811664)

No, he probably tried to use it on a network.

The finder's network support is completely broken. If the remote drive responds even *slightly* slowly you get the spinning beachball of death & have to pull the plug. And active directory integration is completely broken (they even managed to break samba in all sorts of ways).

Or he tried to plug a firewire drive in. Every one I've tried blackscreens the mac instantly (identical to a bluescreen only it's black).

All of these are software issues that should have been fixed before release.

Of course I'll probably get modded down now for criticizing the beloved apple on Slashdot.

Re:Crashes (-1, Offtopic)

Zaatxe (939368) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811690)

Or he tried to plug a firewire drive in. Every one I've tried blackscreens the mac instantly (identical to a bluescreen only it's black).

Identical (adjective): having properties with uniform values along all axes; being the exact same one; not any other

Slashdotters are a riot...

Re:Crashes (1)

pnaro (78663) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811724)

Amazing. Slashdot is going the way of Digg. I agree with the other poster and the ram. The below uptime is on a network with shares and has 2 FW drives.

paul$ uptime
  3:46 up 107 days, 28 mins, 3 users, load averages: 1.41 1.16 1.13

Re:Crashes (1)

admactanium (670209) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811740)

Or he tried to plug a firewire drive in. Every one I've tried blackscreens the mac instantly (identical to a bluescreen only it's black).
huh? i have 3 firewire drives right here attached to my powermac (one firewire ipod, a fw800 raid and a fw400 bus-powered 2.5" portable). the portable travels with me when i work out of town. thatdrive was plugged into my powerbook, my employer's powermac g4 and my copywriter's ibook g4 all within half an hour and not one kernal panic. in the 6 years i've been using os x (back through to public beta) i've had about 5 kernal panics. most of those in the early days.

i haven't had a kp in about 3 years and i'm constantly hot-swapping firewire drives on all these machines. i'd venture to say i swap a firewire hard drive onto one machine or another about once a day and never have a problem. i also commonly power my external raid on and off which connected to the firewire port with no issues either.

Wanting it both ways.. (3, Insightful)

goldcd (587052) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811454)

One advert makes the point that the 'PC' is a boring machine designed for boring office activities and the Mac is the free-spirited bundle'o'fun that'll bring joy an amusement to your home.
Then a couple of adverts later, they proudly tell you how your Mac'll run MS Office, a package which pretty much defines 'non-fun office stuff'

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811626)

Or non-fun high school and college stuff, a massive market for the Mac currently, with even higher potential in the future.

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811628)

Well, I think this is called "advertising", you know, where you try to make your product look better than the competition. Crazy stuff, I know.

If this was about fair reporting, the ads would have said which platform has the most games, wouldn't they?

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (1)

mikek3332002 (912228) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811772)

That why there is this video Mac Gamer [roosterteeth.com] .

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (1)

akf2000 (262227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811948)

That's great, I've heard of this parody but not seen it until now.

Macs not doing games is the pink elephant in the room.

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (1)

esiminch (899049) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811686)

hey, so apple is a fun toy, so what?;) actually I always felt like that about mac, so I get my staff done on linux. maybe it's a covered linux productivity ad?

Re:Wanting it both ways.. (1)

malahoo (128370) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811702)

Yeah it does both.
I use Ableton Live [ableton.com] for Mac. My friend just got one. In 10 minutes we
  • set up an adhoc wireless network with AirPort
  • Used Audio & Midi Settings (part of OS X) to get the Macs to talk to MIDI each other
  • Had his copy of Live on the Mac start & stop recording on my copy of Live.
Stuff just works. Much less "turn it (comptuer/program/driver) off, then back on" crap.

Also, the Live rarely crashes on the Mac, which was pretty frequent on my XP SP2 machine. Even when you unplug the cheap M-audio Firewire Solo, while recording, Live keeps running - plug the firewire box back in and you're back up. On my Win machine, you had to at least stop & restart Live (and often log out or reboot).
Plus, when a program does crash on the Mac, I've always gotten my data back. It's like they have auto-save built in to the OS.

My friend and I both have extensive sysadmin & programming experience on Win & Linux/FreeBSD.

The Mac is just easier to create with. Guy

And that's Computerwang (4, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811458)

Today our contestants are Simon, who's a PC, and Julie who's also a Mac...

Re:And that's Computerwang (1)

Plammox (717738) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811484)

I take it BMX Bandit would be a PC and Angel Summoner a Mac???

Re:And that's Computerwang (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811494)

Yup. I was thinking those would be good names for my computers if I was buying one of each any time soon.

Re:And that's Computerwang (2, Funny)

Zelos (1050172) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811572)

If they can get us to brush our tongues, they can get us to buy a Mac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlbSMclD6H8 [youtube.com]

PC == Personal Computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811498)

Macs have always been PCs but PCs haven't always been Windows. I was thinking of getting a MacBook until I saw an Apple ad in yesterdays Guardian. A pair of losers and patronizing marketing copy means I'll be passing on an Apple, I was going to run Linux as the main OS on the MacBook anyway. Chalk up another lost sale for the marketing execs.

Insulting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811520)

Saw the first of these adverts in a newspaper yesterday. My first reaction was "Are you intentionally insulting my intelligence or is it just a convenient side-effect"

I can't stand companies that insist on belittling others as part of their marketing campaign. Tell me what is good about YOUR system, if you HAVE to do comparisons hows about you keep it impartial, otherwise I just think you are a bunch of insecure twats.

Re:Insulting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811792)

It's a very American way of advertising. British advertisers tend not to belittle their comptition (although this is partly down to ASA rules). But often it backfires. A says B is rubbish, B says A is rubbish. I'll avoid both and go for C.

hmmm (3, Insightful)

TB (7206) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811584)

"Hello, Im a Mac, AND IM A PC. Im all about fun on holidays, looking cool and being a rebel. IM ALL ABOUT GAMES. I dont have any games. I DO, INFACT I HAVE SO MANY GAMES NO MATTER HOW MANY OF THESE ADS WE MAKE I WILL ALWAYS BE IN FRONT. Oh. YUP. So these ads wont do anything to help MacOS? NOPE. Bugger"

Re:hmmm (1)

MartinJW (961693) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811604)

Indeed - Traditionally the Mac was the professional choice (print, design, video editing etc) and the PC was the home user choice (Games and t'Internet).

Re:hmmm (1)

Xamataca (921539) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811838)

Yes... the key words are "traditionally" and "was". Almost 15 years working at a design firm with PCs and I still remember those ancient battles vs. print service staff that screamed of terror whenever I came in with a PS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript [wikipedia.org] from PC. It was curious that I had to teach them how to open it on their macs or send it to their (unixed) film printers. I've learned too: not to trust corel, back in those days, when it comes to intense and bloated vectorial illustrations that used to collapse every postscript rip... Those were the days... there was a real fight, and there were real problems between those OS/HW. Now it's only a matter of picking brands. Linux, OX or Win (and linux is at the point to be another solution for media creation... inskape, gimp, blender... etc...)

PC or gaming PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811870)

Problem with that is that the best games require top spec machines, and you're better off buying a Wii instead.

So yes PC's have lots of games, (Well if you fork out big wads of cash for a good spec'd rig anyway) and PCs are cheap (well as long as you don't want to run the top games), so you have the best of both worlds.... not.

I think consoles will continue to take over from PCs for games.

Re:PC or gaming PC? (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811950)

not really

So much fun yet..... (0, Flamebait)

stuz (1010101) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811676)

Where are all the fun mac games to buy? I'll leave it at that.

Impressions? (1)

spectrumCoder (944322) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811696)

I saw the ad on the side of a bus shelter in York as I was cycling past this morning. It had Mitchell holding up a sign saying, "I'm a PC" and Webb holding up a sign saying, "I'm a Mac".

Mitchell and Webb are a 'comedy duo' who first did a rather dark and twisted sitcom called "Peep Show", and then more recently a sketch show called "That Mitchell and Webb Look". In the sitcom, and the sketch show to a lesser extent, Mitchell is a dull, sensible, nerdy bloke with a safe boring job, whereas Webb is a partying, splif-smoking, foolhardy layabout.

Personally, I rather resented the implication that Mac users have more fun than PC users, but saw why they'd put these ads out - it's about reinforcing the popular image of Macs being colourful and 'fun' and PCs being grey, dull and run-of-the-mill.

Re:Impressions? (1)

Robmonster (158873) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811914)

I think they first did That Mitchell And Webb Sound, a program on BBC Radio 4.

Quicktime 7 is required.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811736)

.. Presses Back button.

The sooner video formats stop being political footballs and start 'just working' the better.

Re:Quicktime 7 is required.... (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811876)

.. Presses Back button.

The sooner video formats stop being political footballs and start 'just working' the better.


Works fine in MPlayer...

How about a third character??? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811784)

"I'm Linux and I'm free. And whilst you two have been busying yourselves arguing with each other, I've finished all of what I needed to do and I'm now off to the pub to spend the money I didn't spend on an operating system on a few pints of beer for myself."

An ever more restricted set of markets (0, Flamebait)

kahei (466208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811790)

So, to sum up the entire campaign:

* PC users are dweebs
* They don't have girlfreinds
* You should kick sand in their faces. Go on -- what're they going to do about it? Tell their mommies?
* Haw haw!
* BUY OUR STUFF, KID, OR YOU'LL BE THE ONE GETTING SAND KICKED IN YOUR FACE

This throws the difference between 'work' and 'lifestyle accessory' computing into pretty stark relief :) In the personal computing space, Apple have settled for a pretty small and well-defined market that they think they can control closely, rather than compete in the more chaotic environment that swallowed Gateway and Compaq. At the same time, though, they kind of let go of their 'Chief Competitor to Microsoft' role.

Maybe these days, Linux competes with MS/Sun/IBM in the 'work' arena so well that Apple have had to move to the 'lifestyle' arena. Certainly it's hard to see how Apple could ever get into grid computing, large-scale web servers, and so on now that Linux is such a strong alternative.

I dunno, I really fear for Apple's long term future. Linux has eaten up so many markets at the small-device and large-server ends of the spectrum, and Apple shows so few signs of trying to compete with Windows in the middle, desktop/laptop part of the spectrum, that they really are going to have to mine this 'Apples are cool! Don't be a dweeb!' thing for all it's worth.

bastards (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811818)

used to like mitchell and webb but mac ads make me angry. macs make me angry. fuckiing pncy shitfaces calling me asking to fix their crap. if someone ain't bright enough to learn and experience enough to get a windows box not to crash, to be reliable etc. then i`m of the opinion they shouldn`t be allowed a computer - or maybe just an internet connection.
used to be more easy going about it, but as any 'local kid good at pooters wozzizname' will know, their stupidity becomes your problem.

Perfect duo to advertise Apple (1)

99luftballon (838486) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811916)

One's a smug, self-important wanker and the other's a pretentious git. Sounds perfect for Apple. Sorry, having a bad day.

yessssssss... (1)

mtjs (918147) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811918)

yes... those are the kinds of story's we want on slashdot.

ad, not news (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17811936)

I thought Slashdot was primarily supposed to be a news site, not an advertising medium.

The age old "PC is only for office work" (1)

FlashyGustaf (1056346) | more than 7 years ago | (#17811938)

The whole "PCs are only good for boring office type work" angle might have actually been believable back in the mid to late 80's when that is exactly how the "IBM Compatible" PCs were already widely perceived by the general public. But now anybody with an IQ greater than that of a chimp knows better. I'm not particularly for or against Mac but at the very least on this point they are about 20 years too late for this to be a usable marketing angle.
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