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Outdated Domains To Meet Their End

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the cleaning-up-the-intertubes dept.

The Internet 173

Dr. Eggman writes "The little used .um internet domain is no more. The domain was used, or rather unused, for US minor outlying islands and the University of Southern California's Information Sciences Institute had grown tired of maintaining it. This announcement comes as last month ICANN began taking comments on deletion of outdated suffixes. Among the top of the list? .su, the internet domain of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union's .su may prove harder to remove however, as Google still lists 3 million .su sites."

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Wow (0, Offtopic)

drachenfyre (550754) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813778)

only took 5 days to make it to slashdot....
Web chucks '.um' domain POSTED: 1:34 p.m. EST, January 25, 2007

Um.... (2, Funny)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813858)


And there was no opinion poll on this? (Of if there was, I missed it. I'm just not hip to the California cutting edge news.)

Now I can't make a site called Y.um :(

Re:Um.... (2, Funny)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816120)

Don't try to register uptheb.um - I've already taken it.

Russia (5, Funny)

wooferhound (546132) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813802)

In Soviet Russia
The Domain expires you . . .

Re:Russia (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814312)

*Chuckle*

Re:Russia (1)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814596)

Which moron modded parent redundant?? After all the lame 'in Solviet Russia' jokes, finally one is done right.

Re:Russia (1)

NotTheNickIWanted (614945) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814772)

Probably the same type of "moron" who feels that any hope of a Soviet Russia joke being funny, no matter how relevant the context, was eradicated a long time ago due to over-use.

Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (3, Interesting)

mfh (56) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813824)

Among the top of the list? .su, the internet domain of the Soviet Union.
Before we get unindated by a slew of "In Soviet Russia" troll posts, let's think about this domain deletion concept for a moment.

Obi-Wan: I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
The destruction of a domain that is of no use, is nothing to be upset about. But what happens when this motion is repeated on a larger scale when not everyone is in agreement?

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (2, Insightful)

parasonic (699907) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814050)

The destruction of a domain that is of no use, is nothing to be upset about.
But how much effort does it take to maintain a database of three million Soviet Union TLD's? The time alone to register these domains alone would be twenty-eight and one-half man years at five minutes to register. Just to register them. How much time would it take to switch domain names? How much to try to update links? How much to one's clients trying to get to a site that can no longer exist? Tens of thousands of man years?

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (1)

kckman (885561) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815904)

At the cost of about $5 us dollars to register them, that's $15,000,000 yearly. Hard to complain about the "man hours" when there is a service cost incurred.

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (2, Informative)

Esteanil (710082) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816174)

.su domains cost $100/yr. http://nic.ru/en/ [nic.ru]

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (2, Insightful)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814218)

Then we should try to get as many people in agreement as possible. Maintain the domain until there are sufficiently few (.su's 3 million is too much for me, perhaps a quarter million or less?) and after that point sweep the remaining in to a generic tld like .mis or something else for a miscellaneous domain. I'm not sure how feasable something like that would be, but the least we can do is offer "endangered tld" holders some method to ease into newer or better maintained tlds. We could look at how servers are consolidated in older MMOs to see how they deal with when to consolidate and how the govern the process perhaps. With fewer holders, we could take up surveys of the sites, like some sort of digital geologist and see who are squatters, dead archive sites, ect. and determine if they can just be dropped or shuffled off to some internet archeology project. There's loads of things we could do, but it'll take international cooperation and agreement to bring old domains to a satisfactory conclusion.

But the Soviet Union? I thought you guys had disbanded?

Ambassador:*chuckles* Yes, that's what we wanted you to think!

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (4, Funny)

heroofhyr (777687) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814248)

I'm a little disappointed at the lack (currently I only see one) of "In Soviet Russia" posts under this article. Often they're lame, but once in awhile you see some that're actually funny. I was hoping when I clicked through to this discussion to find some, only to find a single one (modded down Redundant). Sure, they can be rather annoying in irrelevant conversations, but this article is practically an open invitation for people who post the same hackneyed phrases to every article to go wild. Maybe you don't care for them, but I for one welcome our Soviet Russian troll poster overlords. I'm currently checking Netcraft to verify whether or not "In Soviet Russia" posting is dying and will report confirmation later.

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (1)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814408)

You want people to think before posting? Getoutahere! :D

Oh, and before I forget...

In Soviet Russia, the domain deletion concept thought about you! (For a moment)

Good day!

Re:Let's Not Troll Too Much Please (4, Funny)

The_Wilschon (782534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814948)

In America, you get inundated with bad jokes. In Soviet Russia, bad jokes get

unindated
with YOU!

email at outdated domains? (1)

gentimjs (930934) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813826)

So how do I get an email addy at one of those 3 million .su domains ?

Re:email at outdated domains? (1)

solevita (967690) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814122)

Register a .su domain? Have a quick look on google; there's plenty of registrars that'll happily take your cash in exchange for a .su. Better be quick though! If it gets axed you won't be getting any emails.

Re:email at outdated domains? (1)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815828)

Register a .su domain? Have a quick look on google; there's plenty of registrars that'll happily take your cash in exchange for a .su.

And knowing Russian hackers, any of those .su domained websites will be more than happy to take your credit card # as well. :)

really? (0, Troll)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813836)

Never been to a .su domain before. Maybe it's because I don't speak Russian... That being said I have been to plenty of .ro, .jp, .cn, .de, etc domains and I don't any of their funny languages.

Tom

Re:really? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17813898)

Apparently you "don't any" English either.

Re:really? (4, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813980)

^speak

bah, that's why there are editors. Hell if you read either of my two books you'd not have such high expectations for me.

Re:really? (-1, Troll)

solevita (967690) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814166)

bah, that's why there are editors. Hell if you read either of my two books you'd not have such high expectations for me.

You mean I'd have thought you were a small minded xenophobe who can't believe there's a world outside of the village and "keeping it in the family"? Don't worry! I got that impression from your previous post alone.

Re:really? (4, Funny)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814490)

If you're heading to "Jumping to insane conclusions land", any room for me in the car? I read his post and assumed he was a grand dragon of the KKK.

Re:really? (3, Funny)

kitsunewarlock (971818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815722)

.kkk, that sounds like a successful domain idea...

Re:really? (1)

ilovecheese (301274) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814040)

Have you ever been out of the town you were born in? Probably not.

Re:really? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814826)

Why would I want to go out of my own town? No need to see filth ridden crime festering cities when I have a perfect place to live right here.

get rid of all TLDs (4, Insightful)

pr0nbot (313417) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813878)

Suffixes (and host prefixes) were a mistake. We ought to get rid of them altogether.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (4, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814430)

ICANN uses new TLD registration to basically print money, they'll never give up the TLD concept.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (2, Insightful)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814554)

With a few exceptions, they have pretty much lost their meaning. Few countries seem to have restrictions on the use of their suffix (Faroe Islands being one).

Suffixes still serve a valuable purpose. They allow us to identify hosts using DNS, pretty handy if you ask me. There may be a better way of doing it but I haven't seen one. mail.mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com could be different servers and so prefixes are handy and reliable.

The only suffixes that are no-brainers would be www and ftp if they're all handled by the same host. We'll know by the port numbers anyway.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (3, Informative)

Abreu (173023) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814984)

www. , ftp. and mail. are prefixes, not suffixes .com , .net, .xxx are suffixes

Re:get rid of all TLDs (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815448)

Nuts, I knew I'd get the words prefix and suffix transposed. Thanks for posting a correction.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814654)

And let's get rid of all the letters too, they're such a bother.

Oh, wait... [66.35.250.151]

Re:get rid of all TLDs (2, Insightful)

cyclomedia (882859) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814770)

The mistake probably wasnt the suffix itself but the assumption that the country was the lowest common denominator between organisations. This is why we have microsoft.com and microsoft.co.uk instead of us.microsoft and uk.microsoft . Many companies do rearrange their websites to use this subdomaining system (as probably does MS) and it makes more sense in that respect.

We've also had this discussion before about .tel because it seems obvious that telephony should either use an email-like syntax but with a different identifyer: technical.support#uk.microsoft or at least use a "standard" suffix like www/ftp: tel.technical-support.uk.microsoft

however this doesnt solve the problem about what the root domains should be? .earth.sol may seem like a good idea so we can have microsoft.earth.sol and asteroidminingco.sol but still retain cyclomedia.co.uk(.earth.sol) seperate from cyclomedia.nl(.earth.sol), but cyclomedia.net is just a mirror of the latter and so could be considered naughty.

in any case the big co's are always going to buy up all the permutations they can, and that makes ICANN lot's of cash.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (1)

reyalpdemannu (1054910) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816034)

Your idea organizationally makes sense, and it's quite similar to the approach that some US governmental agencies are using for their DNS zones. I think it would be best to follow an organizational scheme similar to time/date stamps. Whether that means forward or reverse ordering, I don't know. Group by the common denominators and move from there. Teh intarnets is quickly becoming less and less organized and I even considered "Why have domain names at all now?" Pretty much everything I visit is a bookmark, and I Google everything else. When I tell my friends about a site, I make them Google it too, or I shoot them a direct URL. Nobody ever mentions domain names directly to me now. Everything is either URL or Google. Very interesting.......but stupid!

Re:get rid of all TLDs (2, Insightful)

WoLpH (699064) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815198)

I disagree, they do have a purpose and a use, however it's not used for the right purpose often enough. If I visit a site with the TLD from my country (.nl) I expect to see a dutch site, if I visit a website with a .fr TLD I expect a french site. TLDs like that have a purpose, however, they lose there purpose as soon as people start putting english site's on .nl domains and dutch sites on .com domains. That however, is a totally different issue.

Re:get rid of all TLDs (1)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815214)

It funny now people who don't understand something are very quick at dismissing it as a bad idea.

What about new ccTLDs? (1)

adambha (1048538) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813888)

Okay, so they've been dropping some ccTLDs, but IANA has Procedures for Establishing ccTLDs [iana.org] . So, when was the last time they created a new ccTLD?

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (1)

George Beech (870844) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813962)

I know it's hard, but if you had RTFA you would have seen no less than 5 examples of new and/or reused ccTLDs

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (4, Informative)

kimba (12893) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813974)

Okay, so they've been dropping some ccTLDs, but IANA has Procedures for Establishing ccTLDs. So, when was the last time they created a new ccTLD?

June 2006 [iana.org]

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (1)

gnomeza (649598) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814530)

Dibs on goatse [goatse.ax] !

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813976)

My guess would be .tl for East Timor in 2005.

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (1)

sholden (12227) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814026)

But I'd be wrong according to the comment just ahead of mine :)

Re:What about new ccTLDs? (1)

SeeSchloss (886510) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814060)

.eu which opened in 2005 ?

.su (4, Funny)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813900)

The TLD for bearded Russian sysadmins.

Why not just sell it? (4, Informative)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813920)

There are tons of words that end in 'um' [morewords.com] . Why not sell domains there so people can get 'cesi.um' or 'im-a-b.um'? It would generate tons of revenue (just like .cx, .us, and .tv) and would free up some domain name space.

For those who are wondering, there are only 8 words that end in 'su' [morewords.com]

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814064)

And honestly they rule... where can I register ju.jit.su ?!

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814078)

All the -su words there are Japanese. There are more Japanese words that end with -su than that website lists. "Manatsu" being one. And there are probably tons of anime characters whose names end with -su.

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

nlaporte (116203) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815554)

I'm pretty sure any Italian could tell you that tiramisu is not Japanese.

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

thygrrr (765730) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814104)

ninjitsu
ninjutsu
fujitsu
daihatsu
runoratsu

and, of course, let's not omit...

GOSU!

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

Bowdie (11884) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814180)

You forgot DESU.

Re:Why not just sell it? (2, Insightful)

screaser (901255) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814168)

Because let's be honest...

URLs like in.fini.ty, del.icio.us, etc are both extremely lame and annoying.

Don't be that guy.

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

IAmGarethAdams (990037) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814418)

We'll just have to hope that they never create a .ing TLD

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814478)

I think of it as a way to keep the rabble out. If MySpace was MySpa.ce it would keep a lot of the thirteen-year-old girls (who will be responsible for the demise of western society) out.

Place the blame where it's due (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814622)

Have you tried finding a usable, easily memorable domain name recently? cr.yp.to is a cool domain, others are born from necessity. Domain squatters create the conditions for broken up domains and are definitely lame and annoying so don't be that guy.

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

snutte (554053) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814210)

C.um for instance would probably draw a bunch of cash. ;)

Re:Why not just sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814232)

except in japanese and other languages...

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814332)

There are tons of words that end in 'um' [morewords.com]. Why not sell domains there so people can get 'cesi.um' or 'im-a-b.um'?

The truth is, that this domain naming scheme does not work very well as a brand. You can have a domain named del.icio.us, but you just _have_ to have delicious.com as a pair for it, or you'll lose a lot of visitors.

I've seen this naming scheme used by many famous companies (subaru: suba.ru), but they all had them as an aliases for 'proper' names

Re:Why not just sell it? (1)

euri.ca (984408) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814884)

But domain names are usually affordable to individuals (some of the cuckoo TLDs are ridiculously expensive). So you'll make just as much money selling cool names to geeks as selling useful ones to companies (same order of magnitude anyway).

For example, I have a 6 letter, pronounceable almost-a-word url. And I bought it last year, can you imagine me getting a cool three letter .com address in 2006?

Re:Why not just sell it? (2, Insightful)

Scarblac (122480) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814348)

For those who are wondering, there are only 8 words that end in 'su'

... in English. I think it's more common in French and Italian, and probably in loads of other languages I don't know anything about. And other languages do matter somewhat for this sort of thing (see Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] )

Net not just for English speakers! tiramisu :-) (1)

fantomas (94850) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814374)

mm don't forget tiramisu [wikipedia.org] :-)

Now, did you mean there are only 8 words in all the world's languages that end in "su" or just English? I can't believe that there aren't a few more out there in different languages...

8 words (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814416)

And all the Romanians in the world

Re:Why not just sell it? (3, Funny)

inselaffe (1057582) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814506)

And what will Putin use for his blog now he can't have poloni.um?

Re:Why not just sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814578)

Hey, if you want "tons of revenue", all you have to do is consider how much is going to be brought in with domains ending in ...c.um.

Re:Why not just sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814624)

Im.gonna.su

Re:Why not just sell it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814730)

I call dibs on errr.um

New use for .um top-level domain? (4, Funny)

adnonsense (826530) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813942)

Why not reassign the .um TLD to the umming and aahing community? There are many ditherers and the like out there who'd love to have domains like "im-not-sure.um", "let-me-see-a-minute.um", "tum-te-tum-te-t.um" etc.

Re:New use for .um top-level domain? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814074)

For the pr0n industry, how about c.um?

Re:New use for .um top-level domain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815938)

and scrot.um !

Re:New use for .um top-level domain? (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814736)

Why not reassign the .um TLD to the umming and aahing community?...
So you're saying it should go to the politicians.

Re:New use for .um top-level domain? (1)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815644)

Maybe they were afraid of what could be sold at some of these sites? Such as "urani.um", and "plutoni.um"?

Bad journalism? (4, Informative)

sczimme (603413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17813954)

From the linked article:

The Soviet Union's ".su" is the leading candidate for deletion; that'll be harder to strike than ".um" -- a Google search produced more than 3 million ".su" sites.

The Google results were vetted to ensure those were 3+ million unique domains, right?

A Google search for sites from only the .su domain returned the following result:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,670,000 for site:.su. (0.04 seconds)

I don't know what folks will do without www.jedi.su [www.jedi.su] ...

.SU has an obvious use (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814108)

Lawyers!

had-an-accident-then.su
coffee-too-hot-well.su

Re:.SU has an obvious use (5, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814366)


had-an-accident-then.su
coffee-too-hot-well.su


cannot-run-command-as-unprivileged-user-then.su ?

Re:.SU has an obvious use (1)

BuffaloBandit (955011) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815518)

How many people would love to have the domain sudo.su?

Re:.SU has an obvious use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815792)

Or for all the Johnny Cash fans out there.....

a-boy-named.su

Didn't Stop them Before (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814014)

``The Soviet Union's .su may prove harder to remove however, as Google still lists 3 million .su sites.''

Other people using a TLD hasn't stopped ICANN before. See, for example, the .biz TLD that was operated by Pacific Root, before ICANN decided it wanted .biz and simply introduced it. Now we have two of them, with different hosts in each.

Re:Didn't Stop them Before (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814640)

If someone's operating an alt root, they shouldn't be surprised if some other root conflicts with it. That's the way anarchy works.

Bad year for um (1)

aapold (753705) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814020)

Miami fell apart in football and now the .um domain...

Come to think of it, the University of Miami would have been the logical university to control the .um domain.

I tried to find a website on .um.

www.um [www.um] points to something. Seems like an exchange point domain. Keeps calling itself ep.net. Except ep.net isn't up.

Re:Bad year for um (1)

blumesa (1057600) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814606)

well... ep.net is hosting the nic.um site until the political fuss blows over.
that being said, if you actually went to the um web site (as listed on the IANA pages)
you would -NOT- go to www.um or nic.um... go to www.nic.um as directed and you'll
find a working web site (its been there for years) and a working email contact for
the .UM registry.

FYI and as usual, YMMV

--bill

No more .su? (4, Funny)

fang2415 (987165) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814196)

".su" is the leading candidate for deletion

Well, no big loss -- .sudo is a much better way of managing things anyway.

outdated domain extensions (1)

chrisranjana.com (630682) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814276)

Atleast on domain in the .mu range must have been usefull to someone somewhere.. NOt sure about the logic to close down domains ?

I've got karma to burn, so... (-1, Redundant)

tpjunkie (911544) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814412)

In Soviet Russia, outdated TLDs delete you!

USC had grown tire of maintaining it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814462)

What? They needed that dust-covered 386 PC sitting in the corner for something other than maintaining the .um domain?

What about Norway's .bv and .sj? (1)

SorcererX (818515) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814558)

.bv is Bouvet Island, which is some uninhabitated island south of Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bv [wikipedia.org] while .sj is for Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.sj) Neither are currently in use, and I'm not sure if they'll ever be. I suppose .bv would be nice for some Linux servers, as the island does have penguins, but getting fiber there would certainly offset any commercial advantage :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816076)

How quaint, actually hosting a country's servers in that country...

Moo (0, Offtopic)

Chacham (981) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814680)

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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

        He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
        He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
        He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
        He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
        He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
        He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
        He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
        He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
        He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
        He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
        He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
        He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
        He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
        For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
        For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
        For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
        For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
        For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
        For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
        For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
        For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
        For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
        He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
        He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
        He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
        He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
        He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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Did anyone know of that TLDs? I could have administered it. It'd be a gold mine. None used it because it wasn't being sold.

I find it a bit absurd that we give away TLDs based on four arbitrary categories:
  1. Countries gTLDs
     

    •    
    • each using the ISO two-letter country-codes.
       

  2. US Government
     

    •    
    • .gov
      US Government

         
    • .mil
      US Military

       

  3. Organizations
     

    •    
    • .org
      non-profit organizations (not enforced)

         
    • .com
      for-profit organizations (not enforced)

         
    • .net
      computer networks (not enforced)

         
    • .int
      organizations created by international treaties

         
    • .int
      educational organizations with at least a two-year program and accredidatio n

       

  4. Miscellaneous
     

    •    
    • groups created by popular demand
       



Giving each country their own TLD seems best, because each country can then makeup their own laws to administor it. And, IANA doesn't need to get into politics, they can just make a TLD for each two-letter ISO code (though, ideally, the three-letter codes would be better). Hand it to the governing authority as recognized by the US State Department, and move on. Everything else should be a subdomain of that.

The original TLD denominations was done without enough foresight. So be it. But instead of adding to the beast and pretending everything is OK, why not just overhaul it?

Let the marketplace decide! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17814782)

It's true those countries no longer exist, but so what? It's not like the domain suffixes are regulated by legitimate national bodies anyway, they stand for whatever the domain owner wants them to stand for! And the marketplace has obviously decided that .su is a suffix that means something to millions of Webmasters and their visitors.

That country EXISTED! You can't clean up the Internet every time the international borders change, something that will happen a lot in the 21st century with all the secession movements out there. If I want to own a .su domain name, because that's the country I was born in, why can't I? As crummy as that country was, it's still a part of my heritage...

SU was going to be obsoleted for a long time (1)

alexmin (938677) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814802)

AFAIK, the .SU TLD was known to be obsoleted for a very long time. Think about it, USSR was no more years before web happened. People who bought names in there have themselves to blame for the trouble along with the registrar.

Re:SU was going to be obsoleted for a long time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815170)

The Internet (well Arpanet) 1969
DNS invented 1983
Web invented 1990
Soviet union dissolved 1991

This is another example of the Web does not equal the internet....

But what you forgot or didn't realize (2, Insightful)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815596)

AFAIK, the .SU TLD was known to be obsoleted for a very long time. Think about it, USSR was no more years before web happened. People who bought names in there have themselves to blame for the trouble along with the registrar.

You're showing your youth here. The internet was here years before the web existed and .su was a valid domain for email "back in the day". Note to grammatically challenged Slashdotters - note the correct use of "you're" and "your" in my first sentence. Read it and learn.

However, you are certainly right that with the advent of the web that people should have realized that the .su domain was meaningless as the USSR was dead for several years. I took a quick look at a few .su sites and they appear to be Russian sites that are for some reason too lazy to move over to the .ru domain.

What's the point? (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 7 years ago | (#17814970)

What is the point of getting rid of a TLD that has 3 million registered domains? Wouldn't all the owners of these domains have to be consulted first?

Not 3 000 000 .su (2, Informative)

Jotii (932365) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815028)

as Google still lists 3 million .su sites
Note that this is the number of .su pages listed -- not sites.

.tk? (1)

Dunge (922521) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815218)

I don't get it.... I though every country had their domain since the start and that it didn't cost anything to anyone. Plus, they can be re-used! Just look at .tk, domain from Tokelau who give away free redirection to all the planet.

More TLDs to phase out (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815254)

It's good to see ICANN doing some cleanup. For the past few years, they've been something of a trade group for domain registrars.

A few more TLDs could go. .museum and .aero could be phased out due to lack of interest. The entire list for .museum is a few pages, the domains aren't the top-tier museums, and almost all of them are redirects anyway. .aero has an entry for every airport code (try LAX.AERO [lax.aero] ), but those were put there by the domain registrar to give the illusion of activity and they're not the primary domain name for those sites. ("LAX.AERO" is really "WWW2.LAWA.ORG").

.biz ought to go as slum clearance. .info probably wasn't worth creating.

the fabric of space time is about to be ripped (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815386)

in soviet russia, that which is operated on becomes the operator and that which operates becomes operated on. it's a well known fact in the slashdot community

the slashdot community is also familiar with the concept of logical paradoxes, like: "i never tell the truth"... well if you aren't telling the truth about never telling the truth, then perhaps you do tell the truth, which contradicts your statement. the resulting lack of meaning renders the entire statement null and void

now if we are to actually drop the .su domain, when the slashdot community knows full well that in soviet russia, the .su domain drops you, then won't the void created by this logical paradox create a rift in time and space and kill us all?

good god for the sake of humanity, leave .su alone!

because in .su, domain drops you!

3 million sites? (5, Informative)

helgy (653011) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815616)

Probably 3 million pages, not sites. According to Russians (http://info.nic.ru/st/38/out_1362.shtml [info.nic.ru] ) there were 7897 domain names registered in .su TLD by 11/26/2006. And looks like they aren't going to give it up for nothing - .su domain is $100/year.

.su has a legitimate use (2, Interesting)

tetromino (807969) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815632)

.su is designated as the TLD for companies and organizations that have a presence in many of the countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union. Basically, the same sort of role that .eu is supposed to play for Europe.

IMHO, the constant attempts to get rid of .su are pure politics: "the Soviet Union was eeevil, so we must erase all traces of it from the DNS system". Blergh. These people are trying to steamroll over numerous legitimate users of .su.

Um ... .um? (1)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816196)

Um ... has anyone considered that the .um domain might be popular amongst Slashdotters? They have a tendency to start posts with those letters. Heck, I'll maintain it.
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