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Windows Vista Launches To Mixed Reactions

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the new-opening-in-your-house dept.

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Several users have submitted stories reporting on the launch of Microsoft's newest operating system. The Guardian focuses on virus warnings already threatening the OS, while the New York Times discusses the bug hunt that's begun. With hackers writing scripts to attack, and well-paid bounty hunters looking for bugs to defend, Vista's first few months on the market are sure to be interesting. In the meantime, what is your impression of the OS? Have you had a chance to use the retail version yet? Are you supporting it in a business environment? What's the launch of Vista been like for you?

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Thank you, brave gamma testers... (4, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815638)

Thank you, brave gamma testers for being bold enough to put this OS on your computer now so that at least some of the more glaring bugs can be worked out by the time some software company puts out a "must have" app that only runs on Vista at which point I'll have to upgrade.

Re:Thank you, brave gamma testers... (4, Informative)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815748)

I've Beta'd Vista since Beta 1, and while the software has.....matured....since the initial beta, quite frankly, its still not ready for primetime.

Vista will still peg your processor at around 30% most of the time, mostly for bullshit you don't need or want. User Rights Management may be great for Grandma, but if you know what the fuck you're doing its just obtrusive (although it can be turned off). Driver support is dodgy, even with the big boys (Your video card will probably work, but expect signifigantly lower performance).

Oh, and add in the time during Beta 2 where Windows Update fried my install completely. Thank you for playing, re-install your OS. Yes, it was Beta still, but shit, I can see breaking pieces, or degrading performance, or any other assorted issues I expect. Frying the OS I do not.

All in all, as far as I'm concerned, this is just the next WinME

Hmmm.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816230)

Vista will still peg your processor at around 30% most of the time
I can imagine needing to run Vista on a Beowulf cluster to get decent speed.

Re:Hmmm.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816306)

Beowulf Clusters, by definition, are Linux operated, you frakking poseur.

Re:Thank you, brave gamma testers... (2, Insightful)

qortra (591818) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816240)

User Rights Management may be great for Grandma


Really? Why?

DRM isn't great for anybody, including the unethical institutions that espouse it (though most of them would disagree if asked).

Re:Thank you, brave gamma testers... (2, Insightful)

Samalie (1016193) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816282)

URM may be great for Grandma since it does bring up an annoying extra layer before Grandma deletes core windows files, or even her recipie folder. Of course, if Grandma just ignores the window and hits Continue, its all irrelavant anyway.

The world seems different (4, Funny)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815864)

Sort of like all the colors are in HiDef, slightly oversaturated.

and everthing looks slightly puffy

like it's bloated, or slightly over-inflated

Almost like the world has been redone in the Microsoft Cute Theme.

Can Steve Ballmer look Cute? (Now that's an image ....)

Will let you know when I see more....

Can Ballmer look cute? (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816290)

If by cute you mean "slightly puffy like it's bloated, or slightly over-inflated" then, yes, yes he can look cute.

Re:Thank you, brave gamma testers... (1)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815960)

I think most major software is released like this now, at least I beleive it to be true with most games. I bet the gimp orc carrying the torch in The Two Towers to blow up the wall at Helm's deep installed it already.

I'll Answer This Later (5, Informative)

dethndrek (870145) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815648)

Since XP support is due to last until 2011, I'll let you know how it is in about four years.

Re:I'll Answer This Later (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815736)

And going legit on XP was expensive enough (of course now I'm legit on all six machines on my lan) 1x2K, 2xXP 3xLinux.
I ain't buying Vista 'till I have no choice.
-nB

Re:I'll Answer This Later (1)

Thansal (999464) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815896)

Yup, I am still running 2K, however I am getting close to the point that I might actualy have to upgrade as more and more companies are no longer making drivers for 2k/XP, in stead they are "XP only" and will refuse to install under 2K (I got around this with ATI by ussing Omega, but it is still anoying).

And if I do upgrade I will probably grab Vista, just for all these games that will eventualy come out for "Vista Only".

Re:I'll Answer This Later (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816006)

Yeah, that's where I'm OK. I'm one of those casual only gamers. If it won't run on my console or on my pc then I don't much care. Besides I *still* have my 2600 and *still* play river-raid on it. (and my Odyssey2 and I love KC Munchkin and Ringmaster :)
-nB

Re:I'll Answer This Later (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815968)

Does anyone else suspect the DRM stuff in Vista is at least partially an upgrade-forcer? I remember way back when I used XP occasionally to play media I'd get these "acquire license" thingies... lots of users could be persuaded to "upgrade" if their music didn't work anymore in XP

Re:I'll Answer This Later (4, Interesting)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816052)

"That's a nice music library you've got there, be a shame if anything happened to it..."

So long as my existing music works then no problem. The moment I'm locked out of my own files to force an upgrade we're talking RICO suit.
-nB

Re:I'll Answer This Later (2, Informative)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816152)

I think I'll wait too. Especially since Microsoft's indefensible policy of charging TWICE the price for Vista in the UK as in the US. (Bunch of crooks!)

Re:I'll Answer This Later (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815836)

You're migrating to vista then? I plan on dropping windows then and completely converting to FreeBSD.

Steep curve, but I'll never look back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816276)

I've done this two years ago. Got fed up with XP, had no money for a Mac.

As I already used a lot of 'unixy' programs (LaTeX, gnuplot) the transition didn't lose any functionality, but the learning curve was steep!

Now I have a workstation tailored exactly to my needs and it needs very little maintenance. Solid as a rock and, yes, configuration is actually simpler than Windows once I got the hang of it. There's nothing to hold me back now.

Do miss the games though... ;-)

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815650)

This is my first First Post! And i've been here forever. And if I miss, don't mock me. The stupid lameness filter!!

Still happy on my old stuff (1, Interesting)

Marillion (33728) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815662)

Launch? What launch?

Seriously, I have a KVM hooked up to "one of everything" (Linux, Mac, XP) When there is a piece if functionality I need that requires Vista, then I'll think about it. Not before

Re:Still happy on my old stuff (2, Interesting)

Nos. (179609) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815716)

I think a lot of people feel that way. The first thing I can see that may "encourage" me to go to Vista would be some fabulous new game that looks better in, or requires DX10. Other than that, I don't have a reason to upgrade. I'm actually picking up a new box in a few weeks, and I'll be getting a copy of XP with it. That will be my first box with XP. My Windows workstation at home is 2000, and has been for at least 3 years.

Re:Still happy on my old stuff (2, Interesting)

Mondoz (672060) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816248)

To me, Vista seems quite a bit like the current state of the next generation DVDs. Most people don't need them or get any benefit from them, but the media companies are really pushing to re-sell the same stuff to people that they already have.
People already have most of what's in Vista, they really don't need the upgrade, but MS would have you believe it's so much better that it's actually worthwhile to get... just so they can re-sell the same stuff to people that they already have.
There's no real need for this stuff, but they're trying to create a market there anyway.

Personally, I've never gone beyond W2K. I still don't see a compelling reason to "upgrade"

Wait for sp1 (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815680)

I have a free copy of vista and I am thinking about waiting for sp1

Re:Wait for sp1 (2, Interesting)

lonechicken (1046406) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815744)

I have a free copy of vista and I am thinking about waiting for sp1
So do I. MSDN tempts me to install lots of stuff early, but Vista wasn't one of them. Too much of a potential pain to go back if something goes wrong.

Anyone stand in line to buy Vista at midnight? (5, Funny)

xzvf (924443) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815694)

I drove by the local Best Buy and Circuit City and didn't see any lines.

nobody waiting at Wal*Mart (0, Redundant)

green pizza (159161) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815860)

I was at my local Wal*Mart last night around midnight and I didn't see anyone waiting for the electronics department to cart out the Vista display.

Re:Anyone stand in line to buy Vista at midnight? (5, Funny)

Planky (761118) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815910)

No, I was in my car... checking for lines...

Re:Anyone stand in line to buy Vista at midnight? (1)

Dmala (752610) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816096)

I had to laugh when I heard about the whole "midnight release" thing. I mean, I can sort of see the excitement of getting the hottest new console or game like that, but even if Vista were every bit as good as it's cracked up to be, it's still just an operating system.

Midnight release (2, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816256)

I had to laugh when I heard about the whole "midnight release" thing. I mean, I can sort of see the excitement of getting the hottest new console or game like that, but even if Vista were every bit as good as it's cracked up to be, it's still just an operating system.

You haven't been to a CompUSA or an Apple Store when an update to Mac OS was about to be released, have you? There was even a line for Mac OS 8.5 at CompUSA in 1998! The longest lines I ever saw were for Mac OS X 10.3 (and rightfully so, IMHO).

I'll stick with Internet Explorer (5, Funny)

andy314159pi (787550) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815696)

I prefer the Internet Explorer to the Vista. And If I have to buy a new Vista then I hope the fucking drinkholder doesn't break on the first day I use it.

Re:I'll stick with Internet Explorer (1)

32Na (894547) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815868)

Man, it's a ripoff: the new ones don't even come with drinkholders!

Re:I'll stick with Internet Explorer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816016)

whoever modded the O.P. offtopic needs to develop some sort of sense of humor.

it's been (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815698)

What's the launch of Vista been like for you? Unimportant.

No Way! (3, Interesting)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815718)

Are you supporting it in a business environment?
No way I'll be deploying this anytime soon. We've only just managed to get the kinks ironed out of XP.

For one client who is a medical service provider, I'm pretty sure that the "rights" that M$ has awarded itself via Vista's EULA are at odds with the requirements for keeping clients' medical records confidential. So until someone can provide assurances to the contrary, Vista isn't coming anywhere near their facilities.

A short answer and a long answer (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816224)


For one client who is a medical service provider, I'm pretty sure that the "rights" that M$ has awarded itself via Vista's EULA are at odds with the requirements for keeping clients' medical records confidential. So until someone can provide assurances to the contrary, Vista isn't coming anywhere near their facilities.

Short answer: no worries, as Federal legislation trumps the MS EULA.

Long answer: the medical service provider is bound by law not to disclose - or expose - patient information. Even though the service provider controls the machines, it does not 100% control the information therein: Uncle Sam has some say here. Essentially the government would have to grant exceptions to healthcare legislation to allow MS to do their thing. I find this very unlikely.

I am not a lawyer, but it seems [on paper] that MS could revoke the license under these circumstances; whether they *would* is another issue.

2008 (4, Insightful)

Conception (212279) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815726)

We got a business copy to play with, and I decided we aren't going to deploy it until 2008. Untested, not significantly better than XP and as such, not worth the time and money to retrain techs and users.

Re:2008 (5, Funny)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815894)

slow down cowboy! 2008? Isn't it a bit risky to go that fast?

Note: as much as that may read like sarcasm, it wasn't. I'm quite serious.

Our utility company said NO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815730)

We run a large multistate utility with several thousands of users scattered all over the country. Our department said there is nothing there they need. If the new PCs come with Vista, most will be rerolled to XP until otherwise deamed.

Vista Launch (0)

PoconoPCDoctor (912001) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815764)

I went to a MS Vista/Office/Exchange launch event. The presenter, a Michael Murphy, [technet.com] demoed Vista, Office 2007, and Exchange 2007. Each demo took a little less than an hour.The biggest takeaway I remember is his prediction that all software would be delivered in 5 years - ala Google Office.

Also, it's all going happen on a little portable device - the end of computing as we know it. So gather those motherboards while ye may, for the times, they are a changin.

Nice black launch t-shirt, though.

Maybe for "office applications" (2, Insightful)

green pizza (159161) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815998)

I certainly see the value in web-based "Web 2.0" AJAX" applications. I use gmail on a daily basis and I've tinkered with the online office suites. But there is just no way a web-based application is going to be able to deliver the power needed to video editing, 3D game playing, or even serious photo manipulation. An online version of Photoshop might be interesting, but imagine the back-end server horsepower required to apply filters to 12+ Mpixel images to hundreds of users at the same time, wowzers!

I think there will be a split in the computer world.... small, dirt-cheap devices with integrated graphics running lots of web-based applications.... and traditional motherboard+video card+fast local storage PC for more CPU/Graphics intensive applications.

Side note: if MS sees the future as web-based applications, then why does Vista prefer to have a DX10 graphics card?? Why didn't they start with XP and then slim it down into more of a web-deliverable package? Maybe move the traditional XP desktop & taskbar into an AJAX platform, make the whole desktop a single fullscreen IE7 window so it could be accessed literally anywhere. I think MS is facing the same split I mentioned above.

Windows Vista - The Cow Starts Now! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815766)

I watched the Vista introduction video this morning. On most of the stuff they demoed I was thinking to myself, "I've had this on Mac OS X for a few years now."

A few things I see Windows/Vista as being ahead of the game in are:

1) Microsoft Office 2007 (The Mac version will no doubt be way behind the Windows version in both UI and feature parity.)
2) HD Home Theatre/Media/IPTV (Apple TV has potential, but it's not quite there yet)
3) Gaming (I personally don't care much about gaming)
4) Enterprise - Active Directory, Exchange, GPOs, SharePoint, etc. (I wish Apple would tackle this)

What do you all think about Vista or it's introduction video? That family lady was sure proud she invented the "burn to cd" button ;)
Video: http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/billgat es.mspx [microsoft.com]

counterpoints (1)

green pizza (159161) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816156)

1) Mac Office 2008 will most likely match or even exceed Win Word/Excel/PowerPoint 2007. From the screenshots I saw from the Macworld Expo, it seems that the Mac version has both a traditional menu bar *and* a Mac-styled "ribbon" tabbed tool bar. For some users, the combination of UI elements will be a plus over Win Office 2007. But that's where it ends. Mac Office does not have Access, Visio, or a fully-featured Outlook application. These are major shortcomings.

2) I would like to see someone add on these features to VLC or MPlayer so Mac/Linux/BSD users can enjoy these features too. And being based on VLC, there would be even more codecs supported. A man can dream. For now there are some Front Row bolt-ons from El Gato to add DVR features and I've seen some other Quicktime layer & Frontrow application plugins that are slowly adding features. Maybe Apple will get back to its multimedia roots and give us an awesome Front Row 2.0 in the near future. A man can dream

3) MS will own the Gaming world for many years to come. I don't see this changing anytime soon unless more gaming studios move to OpenGL, which just isn't going to happen anytime soon.

4) Windows Enterprise integration is very lacking in the Mac world, even with the awesome DAVE package. There are some open source packages to improve some of these limitiations, but they're still huge stumbling points. I too wish Apple would throw a small group of talented enterprise programming gurus after this problem. Parallels + Windows + Outlook running on top of Mac OS X is NOT the answer.

What I like about Vista (3, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815776)

is the memory tester :). I can't tell you how many OEM 98 boxen I've upgraded to XP only to have the install blow up due to bad RAM ( XP copies the contents of the CD into ram before coping it to harddrive). Wasn't there a /. story years ago about some major OEMs getting caught selling bad RAM because Windows 98 had that quirk where it wouldn't use the top 20% or system RAM unless you hacked the registry?

Re:What I like about Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816116)

Just thought I'd point out that pretty much every other operating system has had a memory tester built in. If I reboot the box I'm typing this on and interrupt the boot loader, one of the options is memtest. If I boot from any Linux LiveCD released in the last five years, one of the options is memtest.

Re:What I like about Vista (2, Informative)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816162)

is the memory tester...

That's not an reason. Just pull off a freeware tester. I've used http://www.memtest.org/ [memtest.org] using the bootable CD
version on a few occassions and had it pick up problems on two seperate occassions.

Lacking innovation (1, Insightful)

jeichels (805414) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815778)

Though I have not used it yet, my sense of what I have read from others is lack of innovation and more concern in general for the media companies then the end users. Putting in an OS things that would degrade media quality is a bit shocking to me personally. People have complained over unnecessary security degrading machine performance towards games, etc. The people I know tend to want to stay on XP for as long as possible because they feel they would like the more chances of viruses then that they have invited a Big Brother into their home.

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Re:Lacking innovation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815936)

the job bank. Search jobs, post resume, post job, career tools.

Please keep advertisements in your signature, so that they can be filtered out by people that don't want to read them. Thanks.

I'm Jack's Complete Lack of Surprise (0, Flamebait)

bostons1337 (1025584) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815780)

Hackers have had a long time to prepare viruses for today's release to the masses. I can already see Vista is going to be like previous versions of Windows, a sinking ship with too many holes to patch. Switch to Linux!!!

Vista release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815784)

was nothing spectacular or special to me or any of my friends/co-workers. Been using it since beta and have not been terribly impressed with anything. It is no more a new OS than WinME was to Win98. Some new eye candy, a lot of bloat and HUGE hardware requirements just to be able to do anything with Aeroglass on. Just more of the same in a new package with a new name. It almost makes me sad to see that MS has spent over $6 billon to bring this to market.

It only just now launched?? (5, Funny)

kahei (466208) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815790)


Wait, I've been hearing about Vista on Slashdot twice a day for the last six months (at least that's how it feels) and it only just now launched?

I cringe at the thought of the barrage of Slashdot articles that will inevitably ensue!

Feb 1st, 5am: Vista failing to meet sales targets?
Feb 1st, 9am: Vista crash ruins breakfast for millions
Feb 1st, 6pm: Vista's first day: an in-depth analysis on some blog-type thing
Feb 2nd, 1:30am: Vista! Vista! Vista!
Feb 2nd, 8am: Vista still available after several days
Feb 3rd, 1pm: Vista 'ate my hair' claims Sacramento teen
Feb 3rd, 5pm: What's wrong with Vista? Six beardy Unix guys have their say
Feb 3rd, 11:30pm: Vista vs MacOSX -- a Mac fan comments
Feb 4th, 8:15am: Vista a flop already, say pundits
Feb 4th, 9am: Poll: Is Vista inadequately covered on Slashdot?
Feb 4th, 9:45am: Ten things fatally wrong with the Vista shutdown menu

*panic panic*

Re:It only just now launched?? (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815964)

Yeah, basically. The fact is that Windows is the largest operating system by a 15-to-1 margin over its closest competitors. When Joe Normal looks at a PC, he sees Windows. Therefore we're going to get a lot of tech stories on the subject. I mean, if the 10 o'clock news can cover it, we're going to see a lot of coverage in tech circles.

Re:It only just now launched?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815970)

Hi, I'm from Slashdot. Want a job?

Re:It only just now launched?? (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815988)

Don't forget: Feb 5th, 9am: No games yet announced for DX10 platform Feb 5th, 10am: Still no games requiring DX10 Aug 7th, 2pm: Barbie Vacation Adventure announced requiring DX10, first customer hesitantly orders Vista

Breakfast? (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816008)


Feb 1st, 9am: Vista crash ruins breakfast for millions

I'll be safe: my toaster runs NetBSD.

:-)

Re:Breakfast? (1)

kennygraham (894697) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816148)

I'll be safe: my toaster runs NetBSD.

and this whole time, i thought the humanoid cylons were pretty advanced. but NetBSD?

Wait and see... (1)

Gaspo (862470) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815796)

I work at an office supply store, and people have been asking about it a good bit. We'll see what happens, but for now, I'm going to hold off on migrating. I tried RC1 and RC2, and they just didn't seem worth it, in the long run. I'm going to reevaluation in 6-9 months, and see where things stand at that point.

Not for me... (4, Insightful)

s31523 (926314) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815800)

Sounds like there is a lot of "overhead", and by overhead I mean fairly useless crap to support eye candy. I am a software engineer. I need my PC to run applications, with the machines resources dedicated to my compiles, debug session, code searches, CASE tools, etc. I don't need a search agent running, a little animated doggie, crazy OS graphics, monitoring software for unauthorized content playing out of my audio port, or any of the other "features" of Vista.

In my opinion, M$ should dumb down Vista. It sounds like they spent a lot of time revamping their kernel and they should have released (or should release) a lean version with, as the Nissan Xterra commercial says, "everything you need, nothing you don't".

I just wish more of my development apps ran under Linux.

Re:Not for me... (2, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816284)

Sounds like there is a lot of "overhead", and by overhead I mean fairly useless crap to support eye candy.

Actually, what happened is about 4 years ago someone realized that most of the time fancy graphics processors are sitting idle, so someone decided to offload some of the basic UI functions to it saving CPU use. They also realized they could add "eye candy" that was cool looking and in some cases actually useful, as in providing visual clues to the user about what the OS is doing without any real cost in currently used resources. Not all "eye candy" is useless. Now Windows has caught up in adding this stuff, but it is only available if you have a sufficient video card, in which case it isn't really using much in the way of resources that are normally constrained.

I am a software engineer. I need my PC to run applications, with the machines resources dedicated to my compiles, debug session, code searches, CASE tools, etc. I don't need a search agent running...

I find the realtime indexing and search in OS X quite useful for finding the right file or function call in large builds. It's also nice for finding that preliminary design doc I was e-mailed months ago that was never checked in but which contained more useful info than what is. The fact that I can hit cmd-space-"GRE tunnel redundancy"-enter and have it open a PDF file that might be in my e-mail or in a CVS checkout, or I dropped in a folder somewhere is really useful, to me anyway.

...a little animated doggie...

I haven't seen a doggie anywhere but MS Office, and I think it is gone from there too. Certainly I've not seen it built into Vista. Is there such a thing I missed?

...crazy OS graphics...

So long as it is not using my bottleneck resources, some nice graphics that mentally mark where a Window has minimized to, is useful. Not all the graphics are, but some are. It seems like a net win though.

...monitoring software for unauthorized content playing out of my audio port...

I'm not sure how exactly the DRM monitors output, but I agree in principal...

...or any of the other "features" of Vista...

Well, there are a few nice additions in Vista, including some of the items I listed above. There are also a lot of anti-features designed to benefit MS at my expense. All in all, it seems like about a draw. The expense, especially for running in a VM will keep me using Windows XP for my Windows needs, for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean all the features are useless, however, and as they say, you shouldn't knock 'em till you try em. I never would have suspected the searching feature on OS X that MS cloned would get used, but it does, every day. It often happens that a new feature does not sound useful until I use it, then I can't imagine living without it.

Only dumb hackers release something now (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815804)

A smart hacker wouldn't release a virus now, because there's practically no market share for Vista at the moment. I have a feeling that any Vista viruses are gonna be waiting for it to affect more computers.

Migration to Vista will be slow, because business users just finished their XP SP2 migration, and home users are going to be reluctant to pay even $100 or so for an upgrade, because that's a 15-20 percent of the cost of a new PC. Gamers will see reduced performance for now under Vista, and so the only people who will grab Vista are non-gaming enthusiasts, developers, and people who get it delivered on their PCs.

Re:Only dumb hackers release something now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816298)

A smart hacker wouldn't release a virus now, because there's practically no market share for Vista at the moment.

<joke>Microsoft announces backward compatibility for all 2000/XP viruses. They even setup a tech support team to assist with any problems should a virus be found incompatible.</joke>

As for the launch, I haven't seen anything that can't already be done (if I wanted it) on MS Windows XP. The news reports are all running the "Wow" factor that Bill Gates pushed in some of the demos but it really seems unimpressive. I'll stick with XP & 2003 for my MS Windows requirements and Solaris and Linux (RH) on my servers (that don't require MS only software).

Jim

Comedy Central Ad (1)

Red Weasel (166333) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815812)

All I know Is that the Comedy Central Spot was hell. Every 3 minutes they would stop and show a REALLY lame Microsoft add. If that is there idea of a "good" marketing I'm dreading the superbowl.

Re:Comedy Central Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17815986)

Is that why I missed 'Scrubs' last night? I guess I'll go back to hating MS again...

Vista, why arn't you good? (3, Informative)

Holy69 (938902) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815850)

I've been using Windows Vista for about a month now and I have found it to be more problems then a big worth while upgrade. Vista seems to be a extreme large resource hog that even with my 1 gig of DDR2 ram and a Pentium M 2.0 processor, it still runs somewhat slugish. As time has gone by and the more I use the OS I have run into countless software conflicts, video driver issues, and many other problems that just should not exist in an operating system that has been in the making for so long. Aero, although looking attractive, still poses problems that in the long run should just not exist. If your going to copy Apple, at least make the system itself work properly.

Re:Vista, why arn't you good? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816188)

Try running XP under VMWare within Vista.

XP runs faster... even with the disadvantage of a virtual machine.

The crazy thing is since both OS's are basically using the same display then vista *could* be much faster.. but it isn't.

Que announcements of crazilly fast processors and large memory motherboards so everyone can get their speed and usability back..

Re:Vista, why arn't you good? (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816206)

Imagine how it runs on my Celeron M 410 1.4 Ghz with 512 megs of RAM!
I migrated back to XP and I can actually use more than three programs without waiting hours after I move the mouse and something happens on the screen.

compatibility issues? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815872)

I would be waiting at least until we know that the major apps don't have some compatibility issues at large... Mac OS 6-7, for those who don't remember, introduced a slew of incompatibilities, so many that I generally booted back and forth to run various apps.

Vista (5, Interesting)

LiquidFiend (1050386) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815890)

I've been using Vista at work for just over a month now. I personally like the sidebar, not that it's anything that I couldn't have downloaded seperately anyway, but I enjoy having the CPU usage meter right on the side, along with a calender, the weather and a currency converter. I do not have Aero installed since this computer would not handle it, nor would I want to use it even if it could. The operating system itself has not crashed on me, and it has run suprisingly smoothly. I've got everything I need for work installed without a problem. There is one thing that drives me absolutely mental though ... in the windows explorer there is no "up" button, and back does not do the same thing, and yes, I am aware that I can just hit backspace, but when I'm in "mouse only" mode, this does not cut it.

I like the added shortcuts (ie windows key+0-9 to launch quick launch programs) but I hate having to use the "search" method in control panel to find the things that should be in the obvious spots. Also the defrag is terrible, while the command line version is significantly better, I would still like a visual display of what is going on.

All in all though, it has worked for me quite well at work, however it will be a long time before I would use it at home, it's simply not worth the money IMO.

Re:Vista (3, Informative)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816228)

that drives me absolutely mental though ... in the windows explorer there is no "up" button, and back does not do the same thing, and yes, I am aware that I can just hit backspace, but when I'm in "mouse only" mode, this does not cut it.

Backspace doesn't work (it doesn't go 'up' and more). They've tied it to the back key.

There's no way to go to the parent directory in vista that I know of other than clicking on the address bar & editing it.. which is hell for me (in keyboard only mode).

Re:Vista (2, Informative)

Dilly Bar (23168) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816288)

The no up button caught me by surprise as well. There is something that gives you the same functionality (and actually a bit more). If you look at the address bar that usually shows the path of the files, you can click on a folder name and explorer will take you that folder. The nice thing about it is that if you want to jump to a folder up more than one, you can do that.

Confusing at first...

It's Ok. (4, Informative)

Laoping (398603) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815892)

Well I have been using it for about 2 months. I am a developer and have it on my laptop, so I got it from MSDN.

It's pretty good. Nothing too wrong with it, I have had some issues with drives and a few program not working but that is to be expected. I guess I would say it you get it for free or if you get a new computer it's worth it. The instant search is the coolest "New" feature. It is prettier to look at. One thing I do have to say, I bring my laptop home, my wife, who is a non-technical person like it a lot. She likes the pretty interface, and instant search.

It does have a few annoying prompt screens, and they changed the control panel again, so I can't find anything again :)

I give it a good 7/10. I would not actively avoid it or pursue it. Is it better than Xp, probably, worth spending money on, probably not yet.

"What's the launch of Vista been like for you?" (1, Insightful)

Virak (897071) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815900)

Utterly irrelevant. I haven't used Windows for years, and Vista isn't going to bring me back; if anything, it's pushed me further away. They spent half a decade on a new OS, and all they've got to show for it is higher requirements, a shiny new UI, features other OSes have had for a very long time, and DRM. While I'm sure that the average computer user is in awe at the additions Vista brings, anyone who uses a non-Windows OS is laughing, saying, "We've had that feature for n years, and it's better done, too."

Windows Defender isn't an anti-virus program! (1, Offtopic)

carlcub (843533) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815946)

It's no wonder that it didn't detect 80+% of the viruses. Defender is an anti-spyware program. You still need an anti-virus program on Vista.

XP is too great (1)

gl9 (993616) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815948)

So, why switch? The only thing that bothered me about XP was the recent fiasco involving popup messages on the desktop saying that my copy of Windows was not authentic (when it really was). So, taking that as a sign of things to come, I decided to avoid Vista, which I think was still called Longhorn at the time. In addition, I hate DRM and all DRM-supporting platforms. That's it.

Drama and security (3, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815954)

From the BBC [bbc.co.uk]:

Windows Vista is "dramatically more secure than any other operating system released", [said] Bill Gates.

Meanwhile, in other news, several open-source developers in Calgary, Alberta were admitted to hospital for treatment of coffee burns and choking injuries caused on by an acute attack of the giggles.

Had to buy a computer anyway (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 7 years ago | (#17815978)

I had to buy a computer anyway. Three of my computers went down in November. So, putting one Debian together from the leftovers still won't play my children's large collection of Windows-based games, in part inherited from me.

So, forgive me, I'll buy Vista.

Installed it a month ago (2, Informative)

geighaus (670864) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816002)

- GUI is beautiful. OSX pales in comparison. - UI has been revamped with all those subtle improvements. Liking it. There are a couple of bugs / annoyances (like disappearing folder view after deleting an item), but overall it is a great improvement over XP. - While some effects (taskbar window preview) are of a novelty value, they serve no real purpose and do not improve your productivity. - Same applies for the Alt-Tab windows preview. Nice, but I prefer the version with program icons. - Some changes are not so nice and confuse the hell out of me (like the redesigned network connections). - Pirating it is a pain in arse. Possible, but you have to go through hoops to get it working. Don't think it is unpiratable as MS claims. More like Vista is employing the security by obscurity principle here (considering the level of complexity and clutter of the OS). - Aero performance is ok on AMD x2 3800 with 1gb of memory and a nvidia 6 something graphic controller. - UAC is way too annoying. Had to turn it off on the - Got hit by spyware (something that never happened in XP with no antivirus installed). What's even worse I had no idea how to defend against it. Wiping all the spyware from the hdd, it just kept finding a way into my computer. As the result, had to reinstall the whole thing altogether. Now seems to be working fine. - Built-in firewall is too confusing and gives a green light to the OS components (god knows what communication takes place between my computer and microsoft). 3rd party firewalls for XP do not work under Vista. - Boot manager got screwed several times with no apparent reason. - Ultimate Edition extras are not worth it. Overall, I like the feel of Vista, but it makes an impression of a raw product. Oh and I absolutely have no idea why it takes 7.3GB of diskspace.

Tried a demo in the Best Buy (4, Interesting)

avalys (221114) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816028)

Best Buy had a Vista demo station set up yesterday. They were using what looked like a brand-new demo machine, with Vista branding on it and everything.

When I tried to turn up the graphics settings, I got a warning saying that the highest setting would result in severely decreased performance. When I tried to open the Media Center application, it crashed.

I looked around in the Control Panels, Start Menu, and Documents folders, and tried out IE 7, and was amazed at what a disaster the interface was. The cheap eye candy looked tacky and ran slowly, the "Flip 3D" feature was next to useless and an obvious failed clone of Expose, and I still found old Windows 3.1-style dialog boxes and icons littered throughout the system.

More than anything else, the interface was confusing, overly busy, and disorganized. I'm sure a power user would find what they're looking for eventually, but I got a headache just thinking about my parents, secretary, and other casual users trying to puzzle it out.

Frankly, I was amazed at how horrible it was. It seems like an early Beta release, at best - and not a very promising one, at that.

Re:Tried a demo in the Best Buy (4, Funny)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816214)

Your IP has been logged and forwarded to our Civil Litigation division. Please cease and desist from any further spurious comments on our fine product.---Microsoft WatchDog Division

Seriously comon... (3, Insightful)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816030)

Ok so I know im gana get trolled for this but I have to speak out

In the meantime, what is your impression of the OS? Have you had a chance to use the retail version yet? Are you supporting it in a business environment? What's the launch of Vista been like for you?

Are you seriously going to ask that here at Slashdot? Thats like asking a liberal "So what do you think of Bush?"

As for me what do I think of it? I think it has a lot of bells and whistles perhaps a lot of home users might like. But for more hardcore computer geeks such as myself it may not be needed. I am looking forward to trying it however I do not support the whole DRM thing. I will be open minded, they did good with 2000 and XP.

Vista release (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816046)

The company I do IT for is in no way intending to upgrade to Vista any time soon. Yes Vista has more functionality... at a price. More system processes now run when compared to a default installation of XP. A lot more. So the adverse of more functionality is a slower system. What kind of functionality you ask? How bout the new parental controls! I did enjoy the 3d scrolling with alt-tab through running applications, that was neat, but at a cost. And... the indexing service just needs to be shut off. Why the heck do I want a service running that constantly checks on files and folders so that they load faster when truly its just leeching system resources full time?

OK OK, why don't i just go out and buy a new dual core or quad core pc and just stfu? I could... but a manufacturing company with 150pcs doesn't intend to upgrade just to meet the needs of Vista. In the future it may be possible. But it would be a gradual process over multiple years I would estimate.

What about games and DirectX 10? (1)

Hiigara (649950) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816080)

I'm in the process of building a new computer for video games.

What is the capability like for PC games? How is the performance? Is DirectX10 ready yet? How about drivers?

I order the operating system Friday. Should I go with XP or Vista?

Re:What about games and DirectX 10? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816212)

Jesus dude, everyone knows "order the operating system Friday" means "do i torrent XP?"

Re:What about games and DirectX 10? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816292)

Go with XP. Games are slower under vista, and not as well tested. Most game companies don't yet officially support it either.

Re:What about games and DirectX 10? (4, Informative)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816304)

You're in a bind. Drivers and speed issues with games are a mess for Vista right now, but a decent bit of that might be sorted out by year's end. And while there are no current DX10 games, they'll be coming within the year. So the answer is: XP for games now, Vista by the year's end.

Best Buy Says... (1)

autojive (560399) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816100)

I heard a comment while listening to the news on my radio from a Best Buy manager early this morning in which he stated that today will be like the release day for the Nintendo Wii with sporadic availability of Vista in stores for months to come. Somehow I doubt that people will be lining up and fighting for copies of this operating system like they did for Windows '95. The Hype Machine(TM) has started.

Good deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#17816110)

From TFA:

Consumers who purchased new computers with Windows XP since November are entitled to a free or discounted software upgrade.
I'm not eager to upgrade any XP computer to Vista... even if the upgrade were "free for a limited time", I really don't think I would take the risk.

Guardian article is FUD (1)

Quastor (797378) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816208)

"We want to make sure that users understand the system's limitations," said Gerhard Eschelbeck, a spokesman for Webroot, "and caution them that Microsoft's anti-virus programs may not fully protect them."

In testing, the company said, the new Windows Defender program failed to block 84% of viruses - including 15 of the most common pieces of malicious code.

This is the biggest piece of FUD I have seen in a long time. Microsoft doesn't have their own anti-virus program. Windows Defender is a malware/spyware detector, not an anti-virus program. Even if you have it turned on, Windows' Security Center will still tell you you're at risk because you don't have anti-virus software installed. This is like expecting Ad-Aware to fully protect your computer against all the trojans out in the wild.

Also figuring that Webroot is the creator of Spy Sweeper, it's no wonder that they'd want to spread FUD about a direct competitor's FREE product.

Well somebody has to! (1)

nathanlang (838790) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816244)

I see few answers to the 'have you used the retail version yet' question!

I've used the beta and I'm installing the retail, because unfortunately I work with clients who are going to be asking about it and wanting software to support it, so I'd better be ready.
So far the main difference (I haven't got past the installation yet) seems to be a canny install screen saying 'upgrade may take several hours to complete'. Remember good old Win '98, which could be installed in less than an hour? Seems like minutes have gone out of fashion in Redmond.

One thing about the upgrade is reassuringly familiar: 'expanding files' halts at 21% for a couple of hours before moving on. Currently (3 hours later) it's 'Completing Upgrade', which has been at 36% for the last 30 minutes.

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37%

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Why???? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 7 years ago | (#17816274)

I have a simple question ... "WHY?"

Why should I consider Vista over WinXP, other than marketing drone speak. I have yet to see a COMPELLING reason to upgrade. Not even one. I have seen all sorts of compelling reasons NOT to.

Mind you, most of the press is hyping Vista as the latest greatest, and it might be. Mind you, the best of the features that Vista provides is the backup and enhanced restore points features, but what does that say about the OS in general, where such things are actually designed into it?
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